“Fighting Russia & China By Proxy” - World War 3 ESCALATES As Iran War Deepens

0:00Well, let me read this to you, and I'm going to come to you, Luke. China Russia cooperation hands the U.S. a grievous loss as Iran conflict escalates. Expert warrants. Rob, I think I got a clip on this because this is causing some people to get close to each other. This is Gordon Chan. We've had him on the show before. Go ahead, Rob. Naval Gordon, anything else struck you about China's relationship with Iran and how it's undermining the United States and all of this? I'm going to come to you with this one first. We just lost an A-Wax plane in Saudi Arabia, and the Russians and the Chinese almost certainly supplied the information to Iran for targeting purposes. That was a grievous loss for us. There's got to be some costs on China for continuing its support of Iran. Yeah, and that was an early warning jet, which gives early warnings to intelligence, to the region's officials and troops on the ground, and the Wall Street Journal reported that a replacement of that jet will cost $700 million.

1:02That wasn't real loss, you're right. And you're saying the reason that they knew where that jet was is because China provided the information? Yes, even before this war started, you had a private Chinese company, Mazur Vision, showing the location of US military assets in the region along with specific coordinates. And then we have that large Chinese intelligence just off of Iranian waters. China's support for Iran is almost across the board. The only thing they don't do is they don't supply combat troops. But apart from that, China is there, and we need to recognize that because we don't recognize it. Yeah, so just really quick, just to follow up on your point, and I'll touch on that point, which is the best explanation I've seen for why Trump did this, seemingly so out of characters, from a friend of mine in sort of the Washington world. To mobster a friend of mine like his connect. One of the hours to stand, it feels like just tell us,

2:03because he said, how do you get, if you have a dog that won't stop chasing cars, how do you get them to stop? And the answer is you let them catch the car. Who's the dog? The Neocons have wanted this war with Iran. The deep state have wanted this war with Iran forever. Let them catch the car and let it go badly. I'm not saying I like what that means, but let the American public see it. Let them feel it. Let, you know, and so there's a way where this goes where maybe he stands aside and he lets gas go to six bucks. And he lets basically Iran and Israel beat each other to death. And I would prefer that. That's not a bad, like that's not a bad outcome for Trump. You know what it is for me? It's like, okay, guys, go. Because he can't tell Israel. What's the hemisphere? Yeah, he can't tell Israel to go. He's practically speaking politically. He can't say, I'm going to let Israel go. So let them have their fight. And then just that might be what we're watching. But so to Gordon Chang's point, absolutely Russian China supporting them. And what Americans have not been well informed on because they're just not what politically.

3:05But in the 23 and 24, we have been since then been providing very accurate targeting information, doing everything for the Ukrainians, but pressing the red button to hit Russian targets in Ukraine. And even in Russian territory proper, more importantly, they were launching missiles into Russia with our targeting and guidance. And the Russians didn't take the bait. They said we will retaliate at a time and place of our choosing. And what I hear is that the time and place of their choosing was about two, three days after this war began because the Iranians apparently only have like two satellites. We were not expecting them to be very accurate. The Russians have a satellite system called GLO, NASS, that is apparently extremely accurate. And then the Chinese also have a private, basically GPS, et cetera. And yeah, they're absolutely helping. I think we've lost two, at least one, if not two, E3A wax. Those are would be the first ever loss of that aircraft in combat, if I hear right. We have lost, if you include the 16,

4:07as I saw yesterday, Raptor drones as fixed-wing aircraft. We have now lost as many, either just 95% or more of the number of aircraft fixed-wing aircraft we lost in 11 years in Iraq, we have lost in four weeks in Iran. And the why is that happening? Because they are getting good targeting from the Russians and the Chinese. And so there's this narrative, the Iranians are on their own. They're beaten to death, the Russians are weak, the Chinese are weak because they're not helping. Chinese by culture, they aren't going to come like an American and punch you right back in the face. They are going to sit back, passively, aggressively, respond in a way that works from the Russians, a little bit of the same dynamic. But the point here is this, the American people are not being told that they are fighting Russia and China by proxy in this war. And that is exactly what's happening. And when we look at the implications of that, number one, do we want to be at war with Russia and China? Probably not.

5:07Number two, they have the two biggest industrial bases in the world. The Secretary General of NATO in January 2025, Secretary Rudy came out, Mark Rudy came out in January 2025 and said, in the Ukraine war, Russia has outproduced all of NATO, America and everybody else, four to one, not on a relative basis, four to one. So the Russians can outproduce our industrial base and have been. They are supporting Iran. The Chinese, our military literally cannot go to war without Chinese factory bases. There's a great study by Govini, a government, Washington contractor, consultants. And they have put out a couple of excellent reports, looking at how deeply embedded the Chinese industrial base into our components. The head of Raytheon in 2023, CEO, said, we cannot go to war without China. It was an article in the Financial Times. And it would take many, many years, his words, not mine, to replace that. And so think about the logistics of this.

6:08We are going to war with Iran, supported by Russia and China, both of whom can outproduce us and are, and one of whom we can't make anything without. This reality of logistics is superior to a dominant to everything else. So what sins does that make? I mean, no sense, because they know this, right? To your point, the policymakers in the West know this, which leads you to your conclusion, which is somebody wants this to go on. And of course, the risks are extremely high, because we're talking about, and this has been the downside that's not really discussed of all this. There is the risk that this will lead to World War Three. It's a full-blown World War Three. Yes. We could see some two and throw, perhaps cooling down a bit, then heating up again in the coming weeks and months. But there is a risk, because forces are clearly at work that want this to happen. When we don't have weeks or months, right?

7:09Like, we are three weeks, three to four weeks, where, and it becomes your recoverable. You know, and of course, there's things like there could be false flags, there could be a nuclear bomb being dropped on Iran. You know, there could be escalation, there could be a false flag, nuclear, maybe the other way. Nuclear bomb. All these things are possible, sadly. You know, when one side feels a bit cornered or triggered by something or a false flag- In this situation, we're cornered. This is what you're saying. And everybody's cornered. This is, this is, people say, well, we're just going to stay here and this is what the administration is telling the public. This is every bit as existential for Russia and China as it is arguably with Israel. And Israel and us, can't, Israel and we, Israel and us, we can't make the air defense missiles without China's rare earth. And China's already curtailing them, I hear. And so again, it gets into, then it brings you to that Israel and the US

8:09are already reportedly running low on these interceptors. You're already seeing the batting average, not only low, but the cost of it, the cost you don't make in it. And they can't make it. So they are now getting pounded without an ability to defend. What do they do in that scenario to Richard's point? Do they evoke the sanction, invoke the sanction option, right? Do they drop a nuke? That's entirely, and then what? I don't know. And also clearly, the US, whether it's the military leadership or the Trump administration per se, doesn't need to have any control over what Israel is doing. No, no, no, no. And therefore, and they, it's no, officially there's no nuclear capability, but actually there is. Everyone knows that. JFK didn't want this to happen. He got killed. And of course, what is this for? There have been forces saying for years and years we want this war against Iran. So there's seem to have been some long term planning. And what are the nuclear capabilities for? And of course, we're talking about Iran.

9:10Well, actually, they were engaging with the international nuclear authority always. And they had, you know, inspectors coming and they had, you know, things to do. There was an agreement which then the US side council, what about Israel? You know, it's not even signed this, you know, international nuclear anti-proliferation treaty. And officially it doesn't have any. But, but, so, okay, but we know it has capabilities. There's no US control, no military outside control over their decisions. So this is an extremely dangerous situation. And the US policy makers have a very unusual, if you paid attention to this war, Rubio publicly said, Israel let us into this. Multiple US senators said Israel let us into this, which is a very unusual, inorganic shift of the Overton window on that discussion. As these, you've seen Reuters report on it, you've seen Bloomberg report on it, you've seen New York Times report on it, specifically saying Israel and Netanyahu pulled the US into this. This is why I think Trump should just get up there

10:10and say, hey, we helped you, we kicked it off, we leave the rest to you, go fight it, we have your back, but you got to go to your own thing. And if you want anybody for us to support, you got to, I think he has to, every time he goes and kind of puts BB in his place in his own way, the popularity goes kind of back to here. Yeah, that helps him, it helps him. So I just think he needs to take that position and I think he needs to make that clear because the audience is a little bit confused. And Maga, it's not just Maga, it's not one type of Maga. There's seven different types of voters for him. One voter was the market, one voter was the border, one vote was the war, no war, one vote was well, one, so he's got to find it where to bring them together and Richard Werner's on Meneck, if you want to ask him any questions, we're going to put his QR code around here and the link as well. And the 51% of you that enjoys the podcast, you watch it, but you don't subscribe.

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