Fear is NOT an Alibi: Headlines and Hot Takes ep.4

0:00What's good friends? I'm Will, and you are now listening to No Man The Podcast, where queer culture, pop culture, and real conversations all live in the same group chat. And I'm Joani. This is the space where we laugh, think deeper, well, one of us, and say things everybody's thinking. From viable moments to cultural mess, from relationships to representation, we're breaking it all down, no filter, no fear, and a hundred percent unhinge. So whether you're here for the culture or the chaos, you're exactly where you belong. So get comfy and turn us up because No Man The Podcast starts right now. Friends, welcome back to another episode of No Man. I know you've missed us. We were like on a break. Yeah, I mean, it's been a while. What, it's been like a month, I think? I don't know, it's been a while. People were shading us. No, we're back, we're back, we're back for good now. People were shading us, but you know it's so funny, it's because like, it was so weird not filming, like having a little break, it was like, what do you do?

1:03Yeah, no, it was definitely weird. Like even sitting here and I'm like, oh, right. Like, how do I get back into this? I know, it is so weird. But a lot of things has happened. Obviously, you know, we last week was the season finale of the traders. So we're going to recap that. And then it was a reunion of the traders. So I mean, we kind of figured like, if you if you're in watching and listening to our trader recaps, then you already know that we after Candice left, we said, Rob is winning. Like we move stuff up. I think I think everybody knew after Candice got banished, Rob was winning. It was a shocker. It was in the finale. There's kind of it's Rob. You know, she's a fool, but we'll go into great detail about that episode, like for our traders recap. And then you know, we haven't recapped drag race. And so we're going to do that this week as well. You know, we have to catch up on our, you know, fantasy draft. And it's funny because in the beginning, I was winning. And then now Giovanni is winning. Giovanni is beating me by a couple of points. Literally, it's neck and neck. So we shall see how this turns out.

2:07Yes. Yes. I feel like we're going to be like really, really close with points. I think so. I think how this season is going. And we'll go into more detail when we recap it. But I think how this season is going. Yes, we're going to be really close because the Queen's I thought was going to go far. They kind of got eliminated in the beginning of the season. Obviously, Vida, like I expected her to go further than what she did. And then the Queen's who I wasn't expecting, IE discord, chronically safe. So I don't know. So darling, I thought darling was going to go in their knee. And now she just, she's gonna just dare. Yeah, right. So it's very, it's very interesting. Now that we're talking about season 18, in Jane has been under a lot of like discourse lately because of something she said, she said there are no superstars on season 18. Do you agree with that? Okay. So, you know, I love playing. I think in the context of what Plain is saying, because Plain is being, I'm at a Plain Jane

3:08Apologist, but I understand what she meant. And now I don't want to take away from what the Queen's are doing because I think all the Queen's are good in their own right. I think what Plain was saying or insinuating is that there's no polarizing personalities on season 18. And to me, if I put it that way, I agree with the Plain. I wouldn't go to the far of being shady. I'd say there's no stars. I think all of them are stars, but I would say there's no polarizing personalities. There's no one on that season that I'm just like, oh my gosh, I hate them or, oh my God, I love them so much. Because on season 17, yes, I had a response to Cory King. Like, I loved Cory King. I thought Cory King was funny, but I didn't like Cory King's runways, right? I love Sam's talk. I love what she said about Cory. Right. We talked so much about Cory King, but that was, that was the point. We had Lydia Buhle Collins. We, we were like, listen, Lydia is good at something about her, but we had a lot of girae. They were people, I mean, obviously, that's not last. Well, yeah, you know what I mean, but there were people from the previous seasons

4:11that I'm like, oh shit. Yes, I love them. And now this season is like, I don't know. Yes, I agree with you in that sense, but I also feel like they're not editing them in a positive light. Like, you know, usually by this point, we know who the winner is based on the edit. I don't feel like they're giving any of the Queen's that kind of like winner superstar edit. I'm like, all the Queen's are great. Like, you said, respectively, and they're on right. And they all do amazing things outside of drag race. Like, based on the edit that we've seen, you wouldn't know that Didi Fuego, the first one eliminated, has like all these collaborations with like fashion designers and all that stuff. And she's very successful in her own right. But I don't think the producers are doing the Queen's any favors and showing them in in a light that mixes one to follow them. I feel like they're kind of like solving them down and I don't know why. Honestly, I think they we've we've watched drag race for so long and we we can see I don't think even the producers know who they want to win. Right. And I think this may be the first time in which

5:13the producers may not know who they want to win. And so that's why we're getting multiple avenues of winner edits. Mm-hmm. And it's interesting because we're getting this edit for what's her name Jane Doe that she's getting the rosé edit where she is great in every talent but she is not going to win. Yeah. And I don't know why she is great. She has a talent to back it up. But they to me, her edit just makes you seem kind of boring honestly. And that's what she to her like because I think she's great and obviously she's very talented. But it doesn't make me want to root for her. I know. But you know what's so funny. Like speaking of that, I've been watching Southern Barberry and it's interesting because Bob doesn't seem to care for Jane Don't's personality on the show. Mm-hmm. And I find it to be really interesting because Bob points out that sometimes Jane can be a little condescending and that is true. She does. Especially when she does a win a challenge, she thinks that she's supposed to win a challenge. And so I think if they would have

6:16played on that, I think we would have a star. And you know, Jane Don't, I think so because we're used to the stars of like Bosco and Irene the Alien coming from Seattle and being that and playing that up. I think that was good. I was expecting Athena to be a star in terms of just like having a really bitchy, maybe conty personality. I would have lived for that. We could probably had Briar, but she got eliminated early. So maybe she would have been the villain. Like I need someone to make me either root for them or make me like shade them all the time. And I'm not getting either one of them. Yeah, definitely not at all. Like none of these queens. There's no real drama this season on the slip. Like there's no one I need the drama. I know the closest we got was that argument with flush and even that wasn't like it. Anything crazy. I love our youth of the argument with Blush and her name was Briar. Briar Blush. Yeah, you know, the argument with Blush, her. Yes, but you know what you know what's interesting.

7:21And I think we need to bring back the the old girls like from previous seasons that gave us drama. I remember watching Drag Race and like living for the drama. Speaking of someone who's always in drama, we have to talk about Geogun. Okay. Yes. So Geogun, it's because I literally was scrolling on like Twitter today and I saw Geogun's response to Nation. So in context, Nation at Roscoe's sit like, I guess respond it to Gea's comment about Betty. Right. So everybody knows that Betty is a trans woman. Like, I mean, it's not that hard to know that Betty is a as a trans queen. Like she said that so many times. You have to be living on a rock to not know that Betty is trans. But apparently, Gea didn't. And so Gea made a response or made a comment about Betty insinuating that she was a man. And so, right. What? And there's a couple of things in

8:22which I want I do want to address here. One is I do appreciate Nisha coming to the rescue of Betty. And I thought that was great because as a sister, they do Roscoe's together. I think that's great. The other hand is I don't think that Nisha gave Betty an opportunity to explain first sign and how she felt. And she took it over as if it was her problem and not give Betty like her way to respond to it. Yeah. So that's actually what I was going to bring up. It's she kind of put the spotlight on herself more than Betty. Like you could tell in the video that Betty wanted to say something. But now Nisha had to get her word and before Betty could say anything. So I feel like she kind of took away from that moment where it could have really been it should have been Betty kind of leading the talk. The yeah, I think it could have been a teachable moment between Betty and Gea. I think that could it could have been just a lesson between those two that you know, not all the time. Like I and I think this is it goes back to a greater conversation in which

9:26we police people's transness or people's like gender identity based on how we perceive them to look. Like we think that oh, if you're a trans man that you have to look a certain way and if you're a trans woman, you have to look a certain way. And then we negate everybody else's transness. Like there's no right or wrong way to be trans. So when in Gea's response when she was like, well, I don't know because I didn't see it. It's like, but who gave you the right to police somebody else's transness? Oh, listen, me, Ms. Gea has always been, you know, very opinionated and stern and firm in her beliefs of of what femininity is or what she perceives at it to me. Even on her season, you know, she came in being like, I don't like which queens I don't like funny queens, but so I'm not surprised by that. But I think she's absolutely wrong to kind of say that about Betty. Correct. It's the same for everyone. Right. It's the same thing as we're like, oh my gosh,

10:31from vulgar, you know, I got to jump on the vulgar podcast train. Right. And when they and when the two girls said, oh, well, beater queens are lazy. I'm like, and that's not drag. And if you have a, if you have a beard, then you're not in drag. Who's to sit like drag is for everybody? Drag is subjective. I don't know an art, drag is art, art is subjective. And I don't understand why there's people who police what they feel drag should be. And that's the opposite of what drag is. That and if you don't like somebody's particular take on drag or the way they present themselves if they identify as trans like, you don't have to say any of it. Just keep it to yourself and look away. But what's the point of spreading more hate? Like we already get that enough from other people or like the queer community gets that enough from like, you know, the side. So why are we perpetuating the same hate? It makes no sense to me. I know. Listen, if everybody want to be the girls, who can be the boys? Like, that's what I kept thinking and everybody want to be the girls

11:37who can be the boys. And I say that as a joke, but what I really mean is that if everybody's going to be the same, like, who's going to be different? It's no. Like, Gia, she needs to realize that how she looks is how she looks. If she wants to look like first-chalapia, then she could look like first-chalapia. That doesn't mean that everybody else has to look like first-chalapia in order for them to be real. Like that, no. There may be some who are in the beginning of their transition. And then when you glow up and you get into your own is like, everything is great, you're like, oh shit, look at me. I'm everything. Exactly. So. But I mean, yes, we had that. We had vulgar talking about lazy drag. Shout out to Frida because Frida put that video out and said, if this is lazy drag, then like me, like, I do lazy drag. And I was like, we live for Frida, like, live. Love Frida. Love that. No, but this is actually love Frida. Like, that was not shaded. Love Frida. Oh my gosh. Okay. So over the weekend, there was this video that came out about

12:39Shia LeBuff. And we know that I guess it was Mardi Gras or whatever after his, like, New Orleans arrests. He got on there and everybody wants to know, like, what happened? Why did he do what he did? And so he got on this. It was Channel 5. This is a good Channel 5 interview. I think it's a podcast. And he suggested that the encounter started with gay men. And he framed it as if, like, he was fear for himself. He was triggered. And so he said that big gay men scare me. Okay. I have a lot to say about that. But before we get into it, let's make sure you like, comment and subscribe and hit that notification bell so you don't miss a single episode. But speaking of Shia, his thing of like, big gay men scare me. I love a big gay man. So they don't scare me. Listen, I think he's just trying to, like, give us an excuse for why he acted in violence, which he has been doing for, like, his whole career, I think. So it's not surprising to me that he said that. But I think it is very hurtful because it perpetuates this kind of belief within homophobic people that gay men are just out to get you, you know, that they want to convert you or

13:43they want to, like, have sex with you or whatever, which is not the case. I'm sure that, like, at least for most gay men that I know, like, if you tell them no, and if they know you're straight, they're gonna leave you alone. They want nothing to do with you. Um, and I feel like him saying this is just ignorant. True. I agree with you. I think him saying I'm scared, right? It kind of, it gets him out of being held accountable for his actions because it puts the boogeyman, right? It puts the omnis on the other person. And in this case, the other would be the, the gay, the gay man who, who did that? Now, I do agree that there are some times that some of the gays they don't know about personal space, right? Like, yes. And they, if they get a little drunk, it's just a certain subgroup of the gays, they get a little drunk. They like to touch you. They don't like to act to questions. They just like to automatically like touch you feeling. And so sometimes you have to be like, whoa, what are you doing? So yes, that is a bad habit that some, there's a certain subgroup, certain category of gays. And you guys know what I'm talking about. They get drunk, they get drunk,

14:45and they love to touch you, especially when in the bars, they don't. And if they think that you're exotic or you have a look that they like, they love to go and like grab you and touch you want to do all that stuff. For some reason, personal space and boundaries go out the window. So that's one part. But I also think he framed him being homophobic as like a personal struggle. Like, you know, because the Bible says it. And he's like, what does the Bible say? He's like that. Yeah. You know, I have a lot of mixed feelings about religion, most of them negative, honestly. My thing is when people bring up the Bible, like that Bible was written thousands of years ago and been translated thousands of times since then to the point where it's not even the original text anymore. So he's saying like, oh, he's, he's a traditional and he believes in the old Bible and whatever, like, no, the old Bible never said that before. That was added within the last like 100 years or so. So you don't believe in the old Bible. You're just finding the excuse to perpetuate your hate. Correct.

15:48But what I find it to be interesting is that the host didn't push back on the homophobic, like comments. Yeah. And I think that is also a disservice too, because like he is clearly coming out and saying he's homophobic and then saying, well, no, before I never had a problem with the gates, like as long as you don't touch me, I'm good. But you have a problem. You have a problem. People say I hate when they're like, just go be gay over there. Like, no, baby, I'll be gay anywhere I want. And then you framed it like he was so terrified, but yet you were the ones I was saying the homophobic slurs. And then you got your ass beat and now you were scared. So like, I'm confused. Like, I also think the host didn't push back because maybe he was scared that he was going to go off again. I don't know. I mean, I think it's what I did not like is I did not like that Shia was able to frame his homophobic behavior and target gay men as being these evil group of people versus saying listen, I have some unresolved trauma from my childhood or whatever the case may be, because you know, you know, all the scandal that the Disney Channel had. You already know.

16:50Right. They was over there touching people but so like you may have all this unresolved trauma that you need to handle, but all of a sudden you don't want to accept that. So it's easy for you to say, oh, yes, because I'm homophobic and I and I felt I'm scared for my life. But big gay men get hurt now. He's never gonna. But it's big gay men, not just gay men, but big gay men. So he is terrified of the muscle queues. That's it. Big gay men, y'all don't scare me. Y'all can come over here. You know, no shit. You know, no shade. Sometimes I think the gay is sometimes no shade. And it's maybe a controversial like heartic, but like sometimes the gay's be a little too big. Like I'm not like the steroids. Maybe a little too big. Like don't get me wrong. I live for the muscles. I think I think I think I'm muscle bottom and I think I'm muscle fairy. It's so cute. Like sometimes I love a muscle fairy. Very I live for a muscle fairy. Oh my gosh. They be like, you see them for the far. And it's like, you think, oh, that's a man, Mori. And then they

17:51open him out and they like, yeah, it's girl. Yeah. I live for the fifth live for a muscle fairy. I love the eye. So I as non-binary person any time that somebody gets to fuck with that gender like the spectrum. I live for it. Like when you perpetuate a certain image and then you act a different way. Like I love that. I love that. I live. But some of them take it a little too far. Like and they be really big. And I'm like, how do you even tie your shoes? Like how do you tie your shoes? I need to know that they be having the tiniest t-shirts and those show this be so big. And I'm like, you feel like to me, you look like you so uncomfortable, but you probably love this, but you look so uncomfortable because you're so big. And like you're really muscular. Like you're really big. It's a little intimidating. So I could understand why he was like big gay men's gay men because some of those, some of them can be a little intimidating. I understand. I guess. Yes. Yeah. I'll tell you how they open them out. And then it's not intimidating.

18:54That part. That part. You're like, oh, you're just, you're just a soft. Hey, it's like, oh, like we live, we live for those. Yes. No, but I mean, I think he needs to realize that queer people are not like a jump scare soundtrack. Like, no, he needs to grow the fuck up. Like it's not, he can't just like blame it on like the gay's touched him. And now all of us said, and he fed for his life. Come on now. You are a celebrity. You have to hold yourself in a higher standard. And he, I don't know. Maybe he needs to go back and play holes. No, I don't want another one of those. He's done. He can, I don't know, disappear honestly. It's not the first time something like this has happened with him. It won't be the last. Now speaking of the gays, doing questionable things, there is always a certain subgroup of gays that they love going to Mexico all at the same time. And we know why they go to Mexico and they all go to Mexico. And they all look alike. No shade. And they've made it's another controversial heartache. But I'm going to say all this shit today because I'm going to fuck. Right. But they all look alike. They all the same

19:57kind of, they all the same kind of gay. If you know, you know, you know, what gays I'm talking about you are. I don't have to say it because you already know how to talk about it. Yes. And they all run to Mexico. Whatever. Yes. Right. And so they always run to Mexico in certain groups, in certain cities and to do certain things. But yet they'd be the first one to vote against, you know, their own sub self-interest. But you know, that's a conversation for a different day. They love, you know, Taco Tuesday. But yet they'll vote for the orange man in office. Right. All that. And so that's what happened. So obviously, we heard about the carto and the the gays that were stuck in Mexico. A part of me felt really bad for them because I'm like, well, that's traumatizing because you have all this stuff that's happening around you. And you don't know, like the food right now, quote unquote, I'm put that in quotes because some people had different, different experiences. Some people were in hotels and they were fine in the hotel employees took care of them. Other people were on the outskirts and they said they had no water. They had no food. So it depends on the situation that you were in. So now there was a lot of,

20:59you know, chaos. And that's what happens when shit goes down. I don't like this running to Mexico. Because to me, it feels like a preparation because you're doing this and you're not really giving bad to the community. It's more of like, I'm just taking everything from that. Yes. I would say there's a lot of that going on in Mexico where people from the US go and they either move there or they spend a long time over there. And they essentially kind of take over, which is really problematic for the locals because you know, they're raising property taxes, they're raising a value and everything. And it's forcing those businesses into catering towards Americans towards white people. And they start to lose their identity, they start to raise prices. They're really, honestly, them going over, there's more damaging than not because they're damaging the local communities. But also, I saw a lot of gaze online complaining about like, oh, the running in Mexico, we can go there anymore, blah, blah, blah. Cartels, this cartels, that like, maybe I think you forget where you get a little party

22:05favorite shop. I think you forget what they exist. People love to play Mexico and be like, oh, there's a lot of corruption and the government and the cartels and everything. A lot of that stems from colonialism. You know, Mexico has only been like, really independent for a little bit over a hundred years, which is not very long in terms of like, like history, you know, like, they have always been colonized with someone. They have always had the resources taken by other countries. And then they would just have to learn. So it takes a while to recover from that. But it also leads to a lot of criminal activity, which is what has happened in the case of Mexico. You know, there's all these cartels and most of those drugs are, let's be real, coming here, being used a lot of it by the LGBTQI community. So we don't get to, or they don't get to do that and then demonized them for having that activity happen over there because you're part of the reason it's happening. And let's, I'll be honest, although all the guns that they have are coming

23:06from the US anyway. True. I mean, history has told us we've supplied them for that. Yeah. What I have a problem is the point that you said, well, they're making Mexico bad, right? Like, oh, Mexico is dangerous now. And I don't know. I just, it, to me, it's just entitlement because I'm seeing them in the complaining. And I'm like, but you didn't have to go there. That. Yeah. And they're making it all about, and they're making it about themselves, but like completely racing the locals who are also going through it and who don't have the ability to escape like they do that like they live there. Right. And I'm like, they couldn't go home either. So it's not like, yeah, it may be in convenience for you because you're in your hotel. But, but the staff, they couldn't go home either because the road to blocked. So they're being in convenience as well, but that they have the mindset that, oh, I'm still going to be hospitable because you're a guest in my country. So you're a guest in this hotel. So I'm going to make sure

24:06that it'll be take care of you. And then you, and I'm seeing, and it's funny because I'm seeing a whole bunch of white people, not just a gaze, but just like the tourists that was there, and they're robbing the stores. And I'm like, what are you doing? That, like, I actually wanted to bring that up. I saw one in particular of these like two older white men, like stealing water and I forgot what else from a local grocery store. I think it was a gas station, maybe, but this is the same. Like they hate, they like it would to be the opposite way. And I'm actually going to have done that in the US. You know, that would have been all over the place. There would have been so much villainizing and so much hate. They would have been deported and everything. But they just laughed it off, which you didn't be off. Yeah, because they felt like they could. And I think that's the problem. It's these, it's this level of like, this is being done to me. So you owe me something. And it's like, these people don't owe you anything. No, they're not the reason you're stuck there. But if the voles were reverse, you would have a problem

25:10if it was done to you. You see people are standing in line and you are skipping everybody because you felt like you could. And because you deserve more water than the person who was in front of you, like we're all suffering. And if the roles were reversed, they wouldn't even be batting in the eye. They would just ignore it and walk away. No, they wouldn't care to support. They want all the support. And it's the same thing that happened at the BAFTAs. Like it's the same thing that happened at the BAFTAs. Like you have Michael B. Jordan and Delvar Lindo standing up there. And you have, I guess, he was in an audience member and he had Tourette and then he was shouting out racial epithets. And so he happened to shout out the inward and they left it in there. Now, according to a lot of reports, that wasn't the only slur that he said about the like the reward ceremony. He said other things. They happened to edit those out, but they left the inward. So yeah, apparently he had said it.

26:13He had said something to Adam coming. And like you said, those numbers, other things. Like I saw an audience member say that yeah, he like from even like the pre-show, like they could all hear him like saying things. So this is actually my nomam of the week. It's the BBC making the deliberate decision to leave that in there. When they edit it so much out, they edit out all the other slurs, they edit it out. The Palestine speech like they did all of that, but decided to leave that in there. Why? Because you wanted a headline. You wanted something for people to talk about and you decided that that was the one that was okay. Like you know, that essentially the black people were okay to humiliate so that you could have your spotlight so that you could have your moment and you could have people talk about you. Because let's be real, nobody talks about the math does. No, no, they needed a moment. Yeah, you know what's interesting is because that is also my nomam of the week. But I took it a different, I took it in a different direction. My nomam of the week is

27:16the fact that the whole entire, there was a subgroup on Twitter that was saying, oh black people should get over it because he has a disability. He has Tourette's. Where have a problem is is that yes, Tourette is a serious condition. Yes, no one is taking away from the fact that he is unable to control himself. What I have a problem is you are policing how black people feel about what he's said. Like that's my issue. It's one thing for him to have Tourette's and he said, bitch, motherfucker, whatever. Okay, we understand that he cannot control himself. But for him to say a racial slur and then we can now not respond or feel a certain way because he has a disability. Both can be true at the same time. And then we got a half ass apology from the bafters. But what I appreciate is the fact that Michael B. Jordan and Delvar Lindo was up there with class, they didn't let it phase them. Obviously you can see that they were disappointed at what happened

28:21and they were uncomfortable, but they still, you know what, they had to do as professionals. And the amount of response that the black community was rallying around them made the bafters put out a statement half ass, am I right? That oh, we are we're sorry, but I look at it like this. If it wasn't the first time that this guy was yelling out and blurting out things, that should have been your cue to say hi. Maybe we need to take him and put him in a room or maybe we need to escort him or move him in the situation because it's maybe overstimulating for him. Why we couldn't do that? But we stood there and we allowed him to say all these slurs and then blame it on the fact he has Tourette. I didn't think that was fair to no one actually. Yes, yeah. I mean, like I get why he was there. Like they had this homophobic about everyone, whatever you know, he's done a lot for the Tourette community and kind of said in a spotlight on them, but I do agree with you that like if they had reached a certain point, they could have had that conversation of been like, hey, you know, it's it's it's very offensive. It's a little distracting

29:24or very distracting. Maybe it's time, you know, we we put you in the back a little bit or you know, we separate you because those don't need for all of that to happen and those and even lesser need for them to air it. And it it goes back to how you view black folks or like you view them as less than. So it's okay for you to keep the N bird in there because oh well, but Palestine when there was like a free Palestine and they made sure they got that out. They made sure they got that out, right? Because but that's the same thing. That's even worth that's even less of what the N word was. So I would have preferred you to keep the free Palestine and take out the N word that he said. That I mean, I don't I don't understand. I know why they cut out the free Palestine I don't agree with that at all. That should have actually recapped it. But I actually don't agree with them leaving. And I saw some people online saying that like, oh, if they had a doubt then they would have gotten hate because they would have been hiding racism or whatever. And I don't think

30:28that would have been the case. No, I think it's more racist to keep it in. Yes, that that that I think people fail to realize it's like it's more racist to keep it in. If we if you edit out the N word and nobody knew that he said the N word is that for the people that was there and he never got to air. Nobody would have a problem with that. I got I don't know why people do this. It's just weird. You know, but on the lighter note, we got to see that mishis got push. You know, it's I'm sorry for laughing at the video is so funny. You know, when you when you when you text me was like, did you see the video of mishis? And I was like, is that mishis? He was like, yeah. And I had no idea because you had no idea that was mishis. Every time I watched the video, I see something new. Did you see that when he pushed her and they started fighting and he started torquing? Did you see that? And when I didn't see the guy torqued it, yes. My thing is I was scrolling

31:28through Twitter. That's the only dead name I will ever use, by the way. I was going through Twitter. And I kept seeing this video like I just kind of like would ignore it of like this track when being pushed or whatever. Like it's just another fight video like whatever. And then I come up specifically, specifically across a mishis tweet. I was like, wait, no, that's not mishis. This mishis looks good. Like she she's tiny. Like that's why I didn't think it was her because like she just fell over so easily. And like it's like it looked like this little day to queen. I'm like, that's mishis. I mean, he pushed her. She got pushed. Yes. I mean, I hope she's okay. I feel bad for laughing. I just think like without knowing the full context of YouTube video, I just think it's funny. Yeah. I don't know. I laugh at those kind of videos of people getting her. I don't know why. I think I need to unpack that and you know, go talk to someone about that. But whenever I see like a little kid getting her or I don't have an accident, I just think it's funny. I don't know

32:31why. No, I just thought it was so funny because one minute, I see her standing at the next minute, I see her flying over to the other side. And I'm like, what the fuck is happening? And I just see the blonde wig because you know, we're looking down. And I'm like, what the fuck is happening right now? And it's the funniest thing. And it's hilarious. Poor mishis. I hope she's okay. Same. I mean, no, she seemed like she's fine. But I mean, friends, there you go. It was a lot that happened. But friends, we have some questions for you. Do you think fear is ever an excuse for homophobia? That's the first question. Second one is, why do you think Mexico becomes a default escape plan for so many Americans, especially the white gays? And the third one is, on the Baptist situation, what is the line between understanding Tourette's and still naming racial harm? Drop your takes in the comments, hit us up on Instagram or TikTok because we have both. And as always, make sure to like, comment and subscribe and hit that notification bell so you never miss a single

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