Episode 318: Hiding the Truth About Vaccine Safety

0:00Hey everyone, welcome to this week's conversation with Dr. Steven Ned about the body and how to fix, protect, or maintain it using outside the box alternative solutions. If you're a big fan of the pharmaceutical or surgical approach, you are so in the wrong place. Because on this podcast, we're not going to be pushing the conventional medicine methods or way of thinking about health. If you're looking for a way to live longer and healthier, join me, Ron Ned and my brother Dr. Steven Ned for this week's Body Chat where we talk about the two national vaccine safety databases and how they got corrupted over the years. Me? I'm a retired Twin Cities chiropractor currently helping people buy and sell homes in the Tampa Bay and Los Angeles areas. My brother has a thriving chiropractic practice in the Clearwater area of Tampa Bay, Florida.

1:03In this podcast, we're going to chat about all sorts of topics related to health, nutrition, exercise, just about everything having to do with the body. You're invited to listen into our body chat, but don't forget that neither of us is giving you health advice, so don't rush off to do something without either checking with your doctor first or seeing Dr. Steven that is a patient at his office. Good afternoon, Steve. Hello there, brother. All right, so we're going to be doing some V-safe and verrors this week, which people might not know much about, might be wondering why I'm talking weirdly like that? People who know me probably aren't wondering why. But these are different databases that the government set up for tracking things that go on when people have vaccines, especially side effects or issues that come up. So you've brought this up on some of the previous podcast episodes, so we're going to dive into it further like we mentioned at the end of the last episode.

2:05So let's start with the verrors database. Start off and let us know when was it created, what info does it contain, and who has access to it. All right. So verrors, also known as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, was established in 1990 as a direct result of the 1986 National Vaccine Injury Act. You know, we went over this in some detail in our last podcast, which covered real science versus scientism, also known as the science. But you know, now we can dig a little deeper into verrors so that our audience of fellow critical thinkers can get more of the facts about it. Good. So, you know, verrors was fought for by parents and advocacy groups like the NVIC or National Vaccine Information Center, which at that time was still called DPT or dissatisfied parents

3:05together. Back in the early 80s, there were a bunch of successful lawsuits settled against the manufacturers of the vaccine DPT, which stands for diphtheria, protuses, and tetanus. And this was due to that particular vaccine injuring many children and even NBC aired the investigations which put the vaccine manufacturers in a tough spot financially since the cost of those lawsuits significantly outweighed the profits from the drugs. Before these lawsuits, parents became increasingly frustrated because their doctors were unwilling to report the vaccine injuries they caused and the government or the vaccine manufacturers weren't willing to receive any injury reports that were filed. And this deliberate lack of accepting evidence was used to argue that no evidence existed even though it did, you know, that DPT was dangerous.

4:07So the problem arose that not only did parents want safer vaccines and the ability to report vaccine injuries, but those with vested interest in the vaccine program, including the vaccine manufacturers, the pediatrician lobby, the CDC and FDA, you know, they wanted to protect their investment. So, Congress felt that they needed to do something and they created the National Vaccine Injury Act, which has been quite frankly a disaster and a once, it's been one sided in favor of Big Pharma. I mean, at the time it was past doctors and other vaccine administrators were still liable for medical malpractice and vaccine manufacturers were still liable for designed effect or failure to make the product safer. But over time, the law has been gutted via congressional amendments and rulemaking authority by the Health and Human Services and finally by the Supreme Court in 2011. That law also contained vaccine safety provisions involving recording, reporting and research.

5:14And that included the eventual development of VAERS. One specific provision was a requirement of the Department of Health and Human Services to create a task force to specifically research ways to develop safer vaccines and to have two reports produced each year for Congress to review their work. Well, guess what? That never happened. Of course not. Yeah. And it was, you know, proven by a successful 2018 lawsuit filed by the informed consent action network or ICANN led by Dell Big Tree and Attorney Aaron Ciri, along with ironically, the current Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. And as a result of this, the HHS or Health and Human Services in 2018 actually admitted that they had no records of any such reports. Now in his sub-stack article titled Why Do So Many People Hate VAERS Are Trusted Source

6:21A Midwestern Doctor Emphasized that this is just one of many examples of the HHS in the past, often willfully not doing things it was by law supposed to do. Another example of this was Anthony Fauci and researchers working under him repeatedly finding ways to conceal from their research subjects, the fact that they were profiting off of those experiments, you know, when they were legally required to do so, to tell them. And, you know, they were repeatedly requested to reveal this, but they didn't. Now VAERS is supposed to be, and I'm stressing here, supposed to be, an accurate and workable national early warning system to detect possible safety problems in U.S. licensed vaccines. Unfortunately, it has not come close to meeting that standard. Now, technically, it's a mostly passive, you know, instead of a mandatory reporting system,

7:24which means that it's dependent on individuals, you know, whether they be doctors or patients, sending in reports of their experiences with vaccines to the CDC and the FDA to review. So anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS, but health care providers and vaccine manufacturers are legally required to report certain adverse events. So I looked up certain adverse events and they're classified according to who reports them. So those reported by health care providers are drawn from what's called the VAERS table of reportable events following vaccination. And that's a comprehensive list of specific adverse events tied to individual vaccines that occur within the specified period of time after vaccination. The problem with this is that the list for each vaccination is pretty narrow. So health care providers are encouraged, but not mandated to report any clinically significant

8:26or unexpected adverse event that isn't on the table or if the causal link to the vaccine is uncertain. So for example, the current table has 17 different vaccine types, analysts next to each one of reportable events following vaccination. It doesn't include any of the COVID vaccines, which I looked up and, you know, there are still four being administered, but since none of them are on any vaccine schedule, that's one of several reasons why this VAERS table doesn't contain any data on them, and I'll go over why that is, you know, a little later on in the podcast. Many manufacturers are required to report all adverse events that come to their attention regardless of whether or not they are, you know, suspected to be related to the vaccine. The public, which includes patients and caregivers, is encouraged to report any type of concerning health event after a vaccination, even if the connection to the vaccine isn't certain.

9:28So, you know, so VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused the health problem, but if used properly, it can be helpful in detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting, which could point toward possible safety issues with a vaccine. And unfortunately, it hasn't been used properly. This unfortunate truth, along again with the fact that VAERS is not an accurate and workable national early warning system to detect possible safety problems with US licensed vaccines, is why it's been laughed at and even denigrated by pro-vaccine experts. And there's been very little done to correct it, even though these facts have been known for decades. One attempt to clean up VAERS was called Open VAERS, which was produced by a group of data scientists who tried to make it functional enough to be accessible to anyone. Since VAERS, you know, is publicly accessible to anyone through the CDC-wonder database and downloadable files from the VAERS website.

10:32Open VAERS, along with other brilliant and persistent individuals, including Dell Big Tree, Steve Kirch, and Attorney Aaron Ciri, were able to find enough evidence, which showed that VAERS was deliberately keeping critical information from the public and choosing not to record or document many serious vaccine injuries. So this was picked up by investigators from the British Medical Journal, or BMJ, who looked into this and published an article on November 10, 2023, titled, Is the US's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System Broken. And here are some eye-opening conclusions from that peer-reviewed article. So they say VAERS is supposed to be user-friendly, responsive, and transparent. However, investigations by the British Medical Journal, or BMJ, uncovered the fact that it's not meeting its own standards. Not only have staffing levels failed to keep pace with the unprecedented number of reports

11:33since the rollout of the COVID vaccines, but there are signs that the system is overwhelmed and reports aren't being followed up and signals are being missed. The BMJ investigators spoke to more than a dozen people, including physicians and a state medical examiner, who have filed VAERS reports of a serious nature on behalf of themselves and or patients, and they were never contacted by clinical reviewers or they were contacted, but it was months later. Their investigation is also found that in stark contrast to the US government's handling of adverse reaction reports on drugs and devices, the publicly accessible VAERS database on vaccines includes only initial reports while case updates and corrections are kept on a separate back end system. Other alarming specific data points about VAERS that the BMJ investigators highlighted in that article having to do with how understaffed VAERS is and how frustrating the user experiences

12:37for filing a report with VAERS include how difficult it is to enter reports into VAERS, and the BMJ article specifically states that quote, the format is cumbersome and it times you out. On top of that, once you follow a report, you can't update it later on with something that needs to be documented by saying adding something that's more serious, such as a life-threatening condition or a even death. Like I mentioned earlier, not only would it take VAERS reps months if it all to get back to anyone, including physicians and a state medical examiner, but oftentimes VAERS reps also would provide conflicting information to those reporting or would attempt to discourage them from even making a report. There are also cases in which doctors filed reports of fatal reactions with their patients, but they were never contacted by VAERS. An audit that was conducted on November 29, 2022 by a grassroots patient advocacy organization

13:43called React 19, which reviewed 126 reported injuries filed by 103 independent COVID vaccine injured individuals, found that 22% of these were not made available to be seen on VAERS, and 12% were deleted by VAERS, which means that a little over a third or 34% were deliberately hidden from the public by VAERS. The flaws and understaffing of VAERS really blew up during COVID. You know, it was bad enough before 2020 when VAERS received about 60,000 reports each year, but could only handle processing a few thousand serious reports. But by November 2023, which was a little less than three years after the rollout of the vaccines, VAERS had received a whopping 1.7 million reports, including 20,000 deaths, and the CDC did not link any one of those deaths to the vaccine, even though many other countries did so with their

14:47reporting systems. Since the COVID vaccine rollout, almost 20% of the reports that VAERS received were serious ones, which were absolutely required to be looked into, but few, if any, were, even though the FDA insisted that it did. And in contrast to VAERS staffing, freedom of information act or FOIA documents that were seen by the British Medical Journal investigators that I just mentioned, showed that Pfizer had about 1,000 more full-time staff processing vaccine injuries than the CDC, which wouldn't reveal exact numbers, but admitted to having only, quote, several dozen to hundreds, including contractors and individuals reassigned from across the agency, and what was confirmed as of November of 22 at the immunization safety office, which is where VAERS is located, was that they only had 70 to 80 full-time employees. Wow. Yeah, with their budget and billions of dollars, that's just

15:49crazy. As far as who has access to the data results in VAERS, it's publicly accessible to anyone through the CDC wonder database and downloadable files from the VAERS website. Now, I haven't checked it out for a while, but I recall during the pandemic, when I looked into it, it was very difficult to navigate back then, you know, via their search features. But, you know, it appears that it has improved since that time, including expanded data as of May of 2025, in which public datasets now include primary reports and secondary reports to improve transparency. Secondary reports are reports from additional sources for the same event. VAERS also contains data that only authorized CDC and FDA staff can access, which includes full confidential and updated personal medical records for analysis, and that's understandable because of HIPAA violations and so forth.

16:50Well, it definitely sounds like a broken system. Yep. So, let's look at another system and see if that's broken too, and that's the V-safe database. What is that? When was it created? What info does it have? Who's able to access it? And why is the data collected about vaccine side effects that it holds so important to understand what really happened during the COVID vaccine rollout? Well, you know, V-safe was a phone app used as a voluntary COVID-19 vaccine safety monitoring system, which the CDC launched in December of 2021 when the first COVID vaccines rolled out. It was marketed initially to the people who first received the vaccines, which were primarily health care workers, and they were instructed to report their experiences including side effects, and then it was later on extended to anyone getting a COVID shot. Unfortunately, and not surprisingly,

17:50the CDC refused to release the results from V-safe to the public using the excuse that they needed to protect patient confidentiality by keeping the data anonymous. So, this was a piss poor excuse. I mean, because stats from this don't require patient names. And at worst, if they wanted the comments to be seen, they could have either blacked out individual names like they do on FOIA reports, or replaced the names with initials like many health practices do when they share testimonials with others. This was basically a clear admission that the CDC did not want this data to be seen by the public because of the alarming number of side effects reported. They and other government agencies are very crafty about using excuses to indefinitely install incriminating data. And, you know, if you were called during the pandemic, another great example of this was the FDA's insistence on taking up to 75 years to release to the public the data it used to, you know, license Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine. So, for a detailed description of that, you can go back and

18:52listen to podcast episode number 265, which was a COVID update that we did two years ago in February of 2024. Now, thanks to the outstanding work and persistence of attorney Aaron Siri, it took two lawsuits and 463 days, but he was able to get a court order forcing the CDC to finally release the V-safe data. And it sure would be nice to eventually find out who was responsible for blocking this data from the public and the bullshit excuses they used considering the serious concerns that this data raised. You know, for example, they used the excuse that they needed time to create a software system that could properly analyze and present the data. But the organization Aaron Siri represents, again, ICANN or the informed consent action network, it was able to present the data within a day of receiving it by using a user-friendly interface that they worked out around the clock to create without the billion-dollar budget

19:52that these three-letter agencies have. So now, let's dig into a summary of the specifics of what the initial data showed, you know, before doing that, if anyone wants to access the interactive V-safe dashboards from ICANN, we can leave a link in the podcast notes for those who want to feruse that data, which goes into lots of detail. Okay. So there were 10 million 108,273 V-safe users, a little over 10 million. And of those, 1.23 million or 12.13 percent were unable to perform their normal activities after receiving the vaccines. 1.34 million or 13.3 percent missed worker school, and just under 783,000 or 7.7 percent required medical care on average 2.7 times. I mean, those are definitely pretty alarming figures. That last figure looking at medical care didn't distinguish what type of care was needed,

20:55you know, whether it was just seeing their family doctor or having to go to the ER or ICU. But multiple doctor visits during that time quite often meant that these individuals eventually needed to go to the hospital or they were having chronic complications from the vaccines. There was a total of 71 million reports of symptoms in the pre-populated fields of the 10 million plus users, which means that each individual who registered had an average of about 7 symptoms. One of these was joint pain, which was present in over 4 million individuals, with half of them classified as mild, 1.8 million moderate, and 400,000 considered severe. So since the V-safe figures of 10 million people equates to less than 4 percent of the people who received the COVID jab in the United States, that translates to tens of millions of Americans likely having immune reactions to the vaccine in their joints, resulting in debilitating pain

21:58and potential long-term damage. Approximately 13,000 children in infants under two years of age were registered with V-safe, and they had reported over 33,000 symptoms, including irritability, sleeplessness, pain, and loss of appetite. And one of the most notable trends with this data was that women were significantly more likely to report adverse events than men, despite the fact that disproportionately more men suffered from the severe and life-threatening condition called myocarditis, which unfortunately wasn't a typical reaction reported to V-safe since it was considered rare or unexpected. And this is also a common way the drug companies hide adverse reactions in their clinical trials, and that is not to include those for trial participants to select and document as a reaction. And of course,

22:58the most severe reaction possible is death, but that also is very unlikely to end up in the V-safe data, because if someone died as a result of a vaccine, they obviously wouldn't be able to enter that into their V-safe app, unless somebody could hack their phone, right? So a final word on V-safe, and that is that by May of 2021, the CDC stopped promoting it, and its usage dropped off a cliff, which was likely due to the CDC recognizing how harmful the vaccines were. And of course, we know the rest of the story of how they attempted to prevent the data from being revealed to the public. Very true. All right. So let's take a look at another angle of this. And it has to do with pharmaceutical industry, because we know that they're heavily involved with everything that has to do with the vaccines. So what's been their influence over news and media advertising? And how has that affected the stories that get published or presented about vaccine injuries that people hear about?

24:00Yeah, you know, I did go into detail about this in our last podcast, but I'll go over it again here. You know, back in 1997, the US government started allowing direct to consumer pharmaceutical drug advertising on TV. You know, and today, the US and New Zealand are the only two countries in the world where this is legal. So this has created an obvious and massive conflict of interest, because drug commercials have become the largest revenue for network TV cable channels and many streaming companies. Big Pharma has gained the power to financially blackmail the news and media channels to give them favorable coverage concerning their drugs because negative press could result in them leaving and advertising somewhere else or finding ways to expose things that could hurt the networks. You know, it's similar to how Bill Gates has reportedly spent hundreds of millions of dollars influencing the news through grants from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. This was revealed by a 2021 investigation by Mint Press News based on a review of over 30,000

25:04foundation grants in which the Gates Foundation provided at least 319 million dollars to media outlets, journalism centers, press associations, and media-related projects. And now you can see why there has rarely been anything negative set about Gates in the mainstream media and slanted bias towards him, you know, his recommended health policies and global development agendas. You know, it wasn't always this way. You know, back in the 70s, when we still had some honest investigative journalism on network TV instead of the mostly agenda driven and politically partisan crap that we have to deal with today, 60 minutes did an outstanding job covering the disastrous swine flu vaccine by exposing the corrupt government officials responsible for it, showing people coming down with Yanbaray syndrome, and after just 50 deaths resulting from the vaccine,

26:05they were instrumental in helping to get that vaccine pulled from the market. The COVID vaccines were far more damaging than the swine flu vaccine, but the mainstream media was basically muzzled the entire time regarding the vaccine injuries like myocarditis, as well as blood clots, and countless young male athletes collapsing and dying who had taken the jab. I know it's polling. Now we're talking about vaccine injuries. There has been a compensation system for people that have vaccine injuries that was created in 1986. How has it changed since it first got created and why have COVID vaccine injury victims received zero compensation compared to other vaccine injuries? Well, you know, the National Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 also set up a federal no fault compensation system to address injuries from mandated vaccines and called it the

27:05National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, or NVICP, which is administered by the Office of Special Masters, also known as the Vaccine Court, which is part of the US Court of Federal Claims. Now, just like theirs, when it was first created, it's, you know, it sure sounded like a good solution since it was a no fault alternative to the traditional injury claims that are filed in state or federal courts, which can take forever and cost a lot of money. And so, you know, this was funded by an extra tax on all vaccines, and it was touted to provide quick, efficient, and fair compensation for those who have been injured by vaccines. Now, if you do an AI search for this program, it's nearly all positive, you know, concluding that it's a fair, efficient path for compensation. And as of January 2024, over $4.6 billion in compensation has been awarded to more than 10,000

28:06petitioners, including those with vaccine-related deaths and injuries. But it also brings up one big negative, and that is that autism claims have been consistently dismissed by the vaccine court, which has determined that there's no causal link between vaccines and autism, including the MMR vaccine in particular, and the chemical in vaccines called the Marisol, which contains mercury. The issue here is that the National Vaccine Injury Act made it clear that only injuries that were approved by the HHS secretary could be compensated. So, this is basically given HHS, the power to say that various injuries, including autism, were not linked to vaccines. So, you have some specific injuries that are covered, you know, such as Guillain-Barré, which has been associated with flu shots, for example, resulting in fair compensation coverage. But anything determined to be a non-covered

29:08injury makes it extremely unfair, since the system is rigged in a way that the government block aids anything it doesn't want to cover, such as autism. A pediatrician from California by the name of Kenneth Stoller MD had helped vaccine injured children there for decades. But unfortunately, because of this, his license was unjustly taken away from him. He posted that in 2006 that he was told by someone in the government that higher ups in the government knew that vaccines caused the autism and covered this up, and weren't going to do anything about it because of the real fear that reparations would bankrupt. The treasury should the truth come out. Wow. Now, in addition to eliminating the possibility of compensation for vaccines causing autism, the same is held true for COVID-19 vaccine injuries. According to a congressional report that was published on February 1, 2023, which involved 11,252 claims which alleged injury or death from a COVID countermeasure with,

30:14you know, nearly all of those being the vaccine, there was not one single case that received any compensation from the vaccine court. And the reason for that is that none of the COVID vaccines are part of the national vaccine injury compensation programs vaccine injury table, which lists specific vaccines, corresponding injuries and time frames to determine compensation eligibility. Back in 2005, Congress passed the public readiness and emergency preparedness act also known as the prep act in order to ensure public health during emergencies. If anyone experiences any serious harm or death to these emergency medical measures, they may be eligible for compensation through the countermeasures injury compensation program, which covers severe injuries or fatalities caused by approved emergency treatments. In October of 2025, the number of claims brought to the countermeasures program reached around

31:1815,000 concerning COVID vaccines, with 5,000 of those being denied and less than 100 being compensated, with myocarditis cases being the most compensated of all injuries. So there's been an effort including petitions to have the COVID vaccines added to the regular vaccine injury compensation program. But there are too many roadblocks for that to occur, including the fact that they would have to be put back on the recommended childhood vaccine schedule. Congress would have to pass an excise tax on the COVID vaccines in order for the vaccine court to have enough money to cover claims. And HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr would have to put those vaccines on the vaccine injury table, which is extremely unlikely considering his stance on them. And one more thing is that the vaccine court wouldn't be able to handle the over 10,000 unresolved COVID vaccine cases from the countermeasure program that haven't been addressed,

32:21that would come over on top of tens of thousands of other potential cases out there. And that's largely due to the fact that the number of special masters that adjudicate these types of claims get this, has remained at just eight since the late 1980s when it was set up. Despite the significantly increased number of cases that have been brought forth especially recently, they have eight masters or judges to handle all these thousands upon thousands of cases. So it's ridiculous. Yeah, well, the money is going to be put where the attention is desired. And the pharmaceutical companies, I'm sure, have more than eight sales reps throughout the world and the CDC and the FDA and all the other companies have the money going into where they want to have the money go into. And you know that they don't want to be putting it into this area. So it makes sense that they're just not going to have a lot of people who can accelerate or take care of the claims to come in. Yep. All right. Now, what are the specific patterns that you see that repeat across different

33:30vaccine programs throughout history like the DPT vaccine and even up to the COVID vaccines? Well, you know, the DPT vaccine investigation was covered by NBC in 1982 and it showed that it was injuring children. But the government didn't take responsibility for it and help them or create a safer shot along with, you know, them just flat out denying the injuries that it caused in the first place. But, you know, what eventually this particular vaccine was later banned? Despite that. Yep. During the Gulf War of 1991, US military soldiers were forced to take the experimental anthrax vaccine resulting in a staggering number of injuries. 85% of those who received it suffered an adverse reaction. With many of them unable to continue their careers, including upwards of 36% of the pilots who took it, who were unable to fly again. And just like the government agencies with past vaccines, the military would gaslight them. So this situation led to a congressional investigation,

34:36which resulted in making mandating experimental vaccines illegal in the military. But unfortunately during COVID-19, this law was disregarded as soldiers were forced to take the jab. And there is video documentation, which I've seen, showing some being held down and forced against their will when they resisted to take it. On a side note, the mysterious chronic permanent and debilitating illness called the Gulf War syndrome occurred in almost 36% of US soldiers who served in that brief war. And for years, the military claimed that it was due to a form of PTSD or post-traumatic stress disorder, despite the fact that the Gulf War was possibly one of the least stressful wars in history due to our overwhelming quick victory. They still haven't given a proper explanation, but if you look at the most logical potential and available causes, the anthrax

35:37vaccine is far and away at the top of that list. Next up was the smallpox vaccine, which the second bush administration tried their best to market. But fortunately, it was shelved in 2002 because so many were injured from it. And the press even exposed it so that enough people found out about it in time before it did any more damage. Now, I'm not going to go into the issues with the COVID-19 vaccines because we can spend countless hours on that. And I think we're going to do a podcast on that coming up pretty soon. So to sum up these vaccines, I've mentioned the common thread is that all of them were toxic and caused a lot of injuries, but those responsible for them were never held accountable for the damage they inflicted and likely never will. We can only hope, but I think that you're correct. Now, with RFK Jr. in HHS, are there any changes being considered on how information is being reported that could

36:42improve the info on these databases and the way that it's being used? Yeah, from an AI search, I was able to find out that the current CDC and FDA are actively updating the VAERS reporting form and enhancing electronic reporting methods to improve data quality, to reduce errors and to increase automation. Specific changes I found out include integrating VAERS reporting into electronic health record systems and transitioning vaccine manufacturers to standardize electronic data interchange. But issues that still remain include under reporting inconsistent data quality and the lack of public access to updated or corrected case information. Since again, only the original report is publicly visible even if follow-up data is collected. But at least the FDA has recognized this is an issue and acknowledges that this can be very frustrating to those reporting who don't see their updates showing up in the

37:46public database. So hopefully they'll figure out a way to resolve this issue. That would be nice. Now, in 2010, there was a better vaccine injury tracking system that was developed. Do you know what happened to that and why it was abandoned despite the fact that it showed it could catch most vaccine injuries? Yeah, and what's real interesting with that state-of-the-art machine counting system, which technically was an AI system, is that it was also used to show that VAERS detects fewer than 1% of vaccine injuries. That's right. That's the data that came from the study conducted by the HHS department called AHRQ or the Agency for Healthcare Research Quality and specifically done by the Harvard Pilgrim Healthcare Group, which I referenced in our last podcast, covering real science versus scientism. So they tested this tracking system on the Harvard Pilgrim

38:48HMO and proved that they could capture most vaccine injuries, which produced some pretty shocking results, including vaccines causing serious injuries in one out of 40 recipients or 2.6%. When they began this study, they had planned to test the system on all remaining HMOs. But after getting back these really bad safety results for vaccines, the CDC ended up scrapping the project and hasn't used it since allowing the unreliable and broken VAERS system to continue to conceal vaccine injuries, which that's just flat out unforgivable. Again, it may be unforgivable, but it's not surprising. No. All right. So what would need to happen for the government to actually acknowledge and investigate the safety concerns which these vaccines have raised? Well, as I pointed out in our last podcast, that appears to have already happened. And it started because if you recall, I read that

39:52that excerpt from one of attorney Jeff Childers, Daily Coffee and COVID Substack articles in which he made fun of a political article complaining that HHS was putting safety first and advocacy second after the CDC's Vaccine Advisory Committee announced this common sense approach. So instead of continuing decades of failed best practices, which have given us vaccines that don't stop transmission, boosters that have kept multiplying and mandating shots that healthy kids don't need, along with many other issues, including allowing vaccines to be recommended or mandated without long-term studies or actual placebo controlled studies. Government advisors are going to focus more on safety, which should hopefully rebuild the credibility of the government health agencies and regain the trust of the American public after seeing actual gold standard study results over the next few years. As far as what has happened in the past in revealing safety issues that were either ignored or suppressed by government officials

40:56or medical researchers, big pharma, the mainstream media, and anyone else involved. Well, you know, that's a good question and hopefully with the help of brave whistleblowers and others willing to be attacked for disseminating this data, the truth will hopefully finally be known by the majority of the American public. And enough people will stand up and not allow history to repeat itself, especially if there's another global pandemic in our lifetime. Absolutely. All right. Now you've covered a lot here. Is there anything else you'd like to say on this topic before we end? No, I think that should do it. All right. Well, next week we are going to go into it a little bit further when it comes to the COVID vaccine injuries and side effects. Like you had said earlier, we're going to do a special episode on that. That's going to be the next one that we do. And we'll dive into it. And I want to say one thing is we're not saying people shouldn't get vaccines, shouldn't get their children vaccinated. We have our own opinions on this,

41:58but we're trying to present the information to you just like RFK Jr. and HHS is doing at this point so the people can make informed consent decisions based on having all the information. So we hope that you do listen to this and do your own research if you want to look into it further, so you can make the right decision. Amen. Thanks for joining us this week on the body chat podcast. We both really appreciate your time and your attention. We want to provide you with interesting and informative episodes each week. And if you have a topic you'd like us to cover or any questions you'd like us to answer, send an email to us at infoatbodychatpodcast.com. That's infoatbodychatpodcast.com. To make sure you don't miss any of our upcoming episodes, subscribe to the body chat podcast now on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, or Spotify. See you next week.