Episode 113 – Mullet Madness

0:00Hey everybody this is Eric. I'm Darrell. Welcome. This is episode 113 of Throne Wrenches Podcast. Welcome to the automotive podcast that will not be disputing its property taxes. On this episode of Throne Wrenches, Volkswagen wants to close factories. The union wants to end Volkswagen. Oh no. Honda and Nissan are sitting in a tree. Part two. And Rivian, I think we'll speak to the Taxman. The Taxman. Yeah. Anyway, you know that goes. All that and more on this episode of Throne Wrenches. Oh. We're going to be here. We're going to be here. We're going to be here. Oh, it's a better thing. You know folks who were on our Patreon free show. Yeah. They got like an extra dose of Milyo. They got like the Ark dose.

1:01Some would say too much. Well, I kind of felt that way. I have a CD if you want everyone. Listen to it. Ark weld. I'm good. Are you sure? Yeah, I think. I got a sampling. I'm alright. Hey everybody. Thanks for tuning into the show. Thanks for being patient. Darrell said maybe a listener of the show walked up to him at some point in the last week and said, it's nice to listen to my quarterly podcast. I love it so much. I guess it's, I guess it's, we've been a little busy this summer. Remiss. I guess. Actually been up to a lot of stuff here lately. But hey, we're back. We're back, baby. Thanks for coming down to Studio 2 here in lovely Tremont, Illinois. Darrell, appreciate that. You know, it's nice. It's also nice to, you know, be out on the roads here after the heat of the day. Oh wait, it's still 90-freaking degrees outside. Yeah. When you leave my house tonight, you will be wiping your glasses just so you can see to get to your car, right? Yeah, a little heat wave here in the, what is it? El Nino. Is that what we're experiencing? La Nino. La Nino. La Pinta, La Santa Maria.

2:01Yes, something. We're going through some stuff here in the Midwest this summer. It's been hot or rainy or a combination of the time. I'm not going to complain, believe me, I just went back from Colorado and it was like Forest Fire City. Yeah. We're not so bad here. So if you're also succumbing to the heat, whether you're in Italy, where they're having Forest Fire, is that in my neck of the woods or saw that? Yeah, it's terrible. Or if you're in Los Angeles or Colorado or wherever you're at, the weather sucks everywhere we get it. So sorry about that. Hey everybody, thanks for listening to the show and sending an info. Oh my god. Send an email to us. There you go. Send us an email and say Eric, you kind of suck. No, don't say that at all. I actually say you love the show and you want to know why I didn't sing the lyrics of the Tax Manage I could have done for you. But info at thrownwrenches.com. You can email us and talk about all things cars. Or you can talk about movie things or you can talk about all kinds of stuff because the Patreon pre-show Darryl. I don't know if you're aware of this or not. It's not always about cars. No, sometimes it is. Yeah. So this time it was mostly about actresses who could have done the same role in Days of Thunder 2 that are maybe slightly beautiful and over 40 years old.

3:08And might have been a better casting choice than in Halfway. We may have spent too much time talking about the reasons why in Halfway wasn't good for this role. Yeah. By the way, Eric does not want to see Days of Thunder 2 when it comes out in summer of 2028. You know what? Enough about that. Do you know about Darryl Scott? Do you know about my co-host Darryl Scott? Brother. Oh, what do Darryl Scott and the scammers moving the cups in the nutshell game with tourist traps haven't common? Both keep you guessing. The scammers have you watched the cups and they try, you try to figure out where the ball went. Darryl moves cars from garages around Pura County leading you to wonder where Bork is at. And countless other cars have gone when you stop by the Scott Auto Museum in North Pura. I lost my dollar. You did it again. That's Darryl Scott. Wow. Thanks. That's actually really good. I got a applause or studio audience. Thank you. Very kind. Interesting, interesting comparison. I like that. It was funny when you stopped by over the weekend. I was so worried. Where's all your other cars at?

4:10And I don't even find in those cars from the 40s or whatever those things are you got because I don't know what those things are. Stuff. Yeah. I don't know where those go. They just like disappear and you like pull about next to your car show. Yeah. I fold them up, put them on my pocket. That's fine. For those of you who don't know my co-host, well, he's been known to gamble a little bit with our cars of the week's segment. One week it's an Italian sports car. Ooh, sleek, sporty fun. The next, well, it's a hot dog guard. In this week, well, it might just be a clapped out RV that needs some suspension work and a thorough steam cleaning because it's gross. Part wagon. It smells like parts. He's the man who likes to spin the automotive roulette wheel. He's Mr. Eric Stahl. Virtually. Virtually. You're not bringing home this stuff. No, aren't you? No. I wish. I wish. I'm bringing home an RV. I'm bringing home the bacon. We'll talk with this, right? Yeah. Thanks again to Forts Toyota for sponsoring the show. Forts has been there since the inception of the show eight years ago. And stop by and see all the great inventory coming into Forts in a given moment at www.toyotodashpeaking.com.

5:12Today, I learned that 27 cars were allocated to the dealership from last month. So we have 27 more cars and we have another 60 cars coming. So there's like almost 100 cars in queue. Nice. And it's everything. It is corollas. It's corollacrosses. It's, there's no, no, the super is gone. That's good. Yeah, it's gone for good. But now I had customers coming and asked me about Celicas. When's it coming? I don't know, man. I look up the spy photos. I can't tell you anything. That's what sucks. Okay. So I work at Forts, so to folk. Big spoiler. A guy I'll come into the dealership who I've known for years. He said Celicas over the years because hey, hey, hey, hey. I found out that they're doing a new Celica. What do you know? Dude, I know less than you do. Let me Google it right here. And that's what we did. We sat down on my desk and I found a couple different pictures of the new Celicas. They're the 2027, so they say. And it looked like a Prius with two doors, which I'm like, I'm not buying that thing. And then I also found one that looked like a GR, GR Yaris. I'm like, if they made the GR Yaris and they call it a Celica in the Brick United States,

6:15it's a hot little car. Anyway, pretty quick. Well, look, just look cool, right? So anyway, we'll see. But that's the joy of working with a new car dealership. People seem to think you have an inside track with a manufacturer. Maybe it works that way at Chrysler or Stellantis. I seriously doubt it. It definitely doesn't work that way at Toyota. Probably not. I will, hopefully Toyota doesn't do, I don't think they will. What Honda did with the Prelude, which was pretty much take a Civic hybrid and make it a two-door. I don't think Toyota's missed the mark lately. Okay. I think on their sports car, yeah, I think they've kind of come out right on everything. The Supra, nobody like because it's BMW. But I can tell you this, we just sold our last 2026. And then we traded for like a 24. That car was there for like a week. And it sold for the same price to 26, which is crazy to me. Really? So they're holding their value? Yeah, yeah. The manuals. The automatics aren't. It's super rare, right? Yeah. In terms of production numbers. Well, dude, I mean, if you were to buy a similar BMW, you'd probably pay 20 or $30,000 more, right?

7:15Probably. Yeah. So in sanity, now check out for Toyota. I handle all their social media, which we've had a lot of fun lately posting stuff about my new demo tree hugger for. So if you want to check out a Land Cruiser 250 that's been going all around the country, it's about to get its game on down at Southern Cruiser crawl. Follow it at Fortes Toyota. I think of Instagram, TikTok, all those good handles. Trail teams to do the trail team. Yeah, yeah, trail team. I got trail team to Fortes Trail team. Look that one up. I think it's at Fortes Trail team. A little more specific to the, you know, the odds. Well, that's where we put like the the raceier stuff. I'll put like memes that maybe swear and stuff like that. It's always kind of fun. Oops. Yeah. It's good stuff. I did see on tree hugger for out there when I pulled in. I did see the free loner vehicle sticker on the back. I thought that was funny. I've had more people when we're on the trails like Colorado and stuff like that. See that free loner sticker. Dude, you brought a dealership loner car up to the mountains. That's crazy. That's right. Yeah, that's me. Yeah. Right on, man. Truck looks good.

8:15Thanks. You know, I've seen a couple of those similar colors. What do they call the color? Trail dust. Trail dust. Yeah. Nice looking color on that rig, but yours definitely stands out. Yes. Absolutely. It's got that three and a half inch lift. It's got the 285 75 18 tires from Yokohama. Yokohama did a great job. Actually, I like called them up so I want these tires. I can't get them normally. I'm like, all right. We can get you this tire. So Yokohama. Love them. Great. And they were noisy at first. They're getting a little less noisy. Just settled down. Maybe. I don't know. It seems weird. It seems like the heat of the pavement. This may shock you. But they actually change pitch, depending on how to do something. I could see that though. It's weird. It's weird. Anyway, that's all about rubber. It's all plastics and ball bearings. Oh, ball bearings these days. All right. Also, we didn't think the paint or the iTunes premium folks. There's a couple of you guys out there. You're smart because you know that if you are an iTunes premium member, you can tune in with an annual subscription and get the pre-show automatically delivered to iTunes.

9:17So you don't even have to change anything. You don't have to go into Patreon, all that good stuff. So thank you so much folks for subscribing. They'll appreciate it. And with that said, it's time for... Project! Some day I'll get an eight dollar mixer again that will blow up on site, right? You can fix it in post. Yeah. This is a section of the show where Darron and I talk about all the good stuff we're doing in our carriages. Or the shell game we're playing by hiding our inventory. All right. Is the tax man after you, Darron? No, no, no. We'll talk more later. But no. I'm not wanted per se. Yeah. Aden sent me a picture of this week of another crack in the Celica windshield. Another you had won already? Well, the 97 Celica, he has a college. He's not a college. He's just living in Kenosha while he works full-time in Kenosha. On the passenger side, he had a pretty good crack. Like 12 or 14 inch crack. But it's on the passenger side, right? The passenger doesn't matter. And nobody's pulled him over for a ticket, so we'll just leave that alone.

10:18Because the last time I checked, I called all my windshield people here in Central. And I said, I need a windshield for 97 Celica. And they're like, yeah, I can't get that. Really? Yeah. And so last night while I was just sitting around in my underwear watching TV, I got on the computer and I typed in windshield replacement. And Safe Light came up. And Safe Light said, oh, you can get this windshield for four easy payments of $64. Something like that. I think, wait a second. Does that mean they have it or is this just part of the game, right? Yeah. So I start putting information, but then I realized, well, Aiden could probably get that windshield put it up in Kenosha, why bother with bringing it here? So I backed out, but I'm thinking about trying to do it with his address in Kenosha and see what happens. Because in the meantime, he got another crack. Hmm. That's so good. Well, and the worst part was like the preview text I got. He's like, damn, I'm so sorry. I'm like, crap. Is it a crash or something? Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, what happened? Well, and we're doing a home loan thing with him and some other stuff. Like, what could possibly going on? Sure.

11:18Over the text. And he sends me a picture of like a four inch crack on the driver's side. Where is he driving? Where's he getting the shell with rocks? I don't know. But in the scheme of things, not a huge deal. I think actually from what I researched, the seal around the glass might be my bigger problem than the actual windshield itself. So I guess we'll find out. Can you find any of that stuff in the old stock? I mean, it's old enough, probably. Hmm. Not... Well, certainly not the right Toyota channels. But I haven't gone that deep. I really... Yeah. Honestly, it was just like, this is a summer car. The Celica has antique plates. Yeah. Do I really care that much? This is not a show car by any means. No, you wanted to be safe, though. I will say, I have had good luck in the past with Glass America, which sounds totally cheap. Yeah. No, he's in Imperial time. They can sometimes get stuff that, like, safe light or pelking to the camp. Yeah. Or PPG, whoever, I don't even know who the windshield people are now.

12:20But, yeah, I had good luck with some of them. And if it does come down to it, it's kind of... I mean, the top part is getting it out, but a lot of places, if you find one in a bone yard. And you got a good glass guy or somebody who knows how to take that stuff out. You know, you can always put a used one in. And I have a used 94 out behind the dealership. But if I take the windshield out to this point, I have a ruined car. Because you can put plastic over it, but that point... It's toast. It's a parts car. It is. You've totally trashed it. That's the one? Yeah. That's still sin. Yeah. You know, I have a lot of things before COVID and before summer, and it's got sick. And it's just like all these things that I'm never going to do anything with. It's like I probably should just pull the rip cord and just get rid of this stuff. Well, you finally got a title for it. Yeah. So, I mean, you could... It somebody could do something. Yeah. I mean, one thing. It was just no title. Yeah. Done Ron needs parts and then the heck, Rob, which you need off of it and ship it, you know.

13:22But, well, I hope the rest of the thing, last time we talked, he had... You had just fixed a top convertible top. Oh, yeah. And that's acting up again, too, because the right side is like binding and the left side is working fine. And honestly, I told him, I said, let's just try this about the motors. Maybe we just take the motors out. There's a hand hold. The Miata owners do it all the time. With no power. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The power roof might be a luxury that you can give up. I know. Because I paid $400 for those motors and you couldn't even get them new, you know. See you had to hunt them down. Yeah. They're like from old sea brings or something like that. Yeah. Anyway. So we'll see. We'll see. But we're almost at the end of the season where he's going to be back in his Prius for the year anyway. Does he switch them out? Yeah. He switches out with his... Yeah. Technically with Illinois antique plates. What? March to October? With an extended antique?

14:22Yeah. Of course we're always driving to a car show or to the shop or doing something with that car. Certainly not driving as a daily driver. Is it extended antique? Of course not. Wouldn't dream of it. Exactly. Dream of it. I think, you know, so I looked. It was July 30th of the last show and I didn't mention this. I think since you and I last visited. Ange and I loaded up a four runner and we drove all the way around Lake Michigan. That's right. Yeah. You might have to... Yeah. What's the Edmund Fitzgeralds? Oh yeah, we went up to Whitefish Point. Whitefish B or whatever. Are you in there? No, I haven't. Is it real pretty? Actually, in... July, August. It was early August, August 8th or something like that. We were up there. Yeah. It was really nice actually. It was one of those things where it's like it's 5 o'clock in the afternoon. We are hours from anywhere. We can't hang out here. That's what sucks. You know, you know, there's no hotels. You know, there's campgrounds, stuff like that. We certainly did book a campground or a cabin. We're going to go to Sue St. Marie, which was still hour and a half, two hours away from

15:23there. Further drive. Yeah. So there's not like a big night scene, nightlife scene in Whitefish Bay. But you took what? Was it a week? A week long trip or... Oh, more. Literally left on Saturday and we're back to work on Friday. Okay. And then, yeah. So it's almost a week. But you covered a lot of ground. Yeah. It was fun trip. So we took a new four runner, which was fun for me because I haven't spent much time in a new four runner. Took a TRD sport. Jake would know. Jake would correct me on this because I thought the TRD off-road was a sport. But took the on-X app and went up to the upper peninsula. Went to pictured rocks. Been a couple days in that area. And then went over Sue St. Marie and came down the western side of Michigan, which just, just gorgeous. You know, you're going through all these towns like Traverse City and Charlevoi and Benton Harbor. And you're just like, live here. Live here. You know, all these places. Just really nice. Yeah. Nice part of the country. It is.

16:23And that time of year is perfect. And you're like, if you were like this all the time here, everybody would live here. This would be like the most idyllic spot in the world. But we don't realize it's like three months from now. It's hell on earth, right? Go there in the middle of January and then re-evaluate. Yeah. We people talk about lake effects now. And they're talking about that. And like some parts of the country like, oh, you don't know. Yeah. You don't know. That's who gets the other half of the lake effects now. Yeah. And it's not like Buffalo, New York where there's like the bills are playing and they can show you the snow on TV. Nobody is taking a camera crew to Holland, Michigan is saying, look, there's 28 B to snow here. Nobody cares. No. Yeah. There was a football game you played there maybe. But otherwise, it's just like, oh, you live in Holland. It's just what you deal with. Yeah. It's just suck it up, cupcake. No, at least it was at Buffalo where they shovel like everybody like the kids. And it was like, we're going to shovel so they can play in places like Grand Rapids. Oh, yeah. I didn't leave the house for two weeks. Yeah. Yeah.

17:23I can't even imagine living in a culture like that. But that's why years ago, 20 years ago, we first started going up that way. I was like, man, this is so beautiful. But I'm like, there's no jobs here. Why is that? Because they can't work here round in that area. You couldn't have factories. No. You can't have anything there. Because half the year might literally be doing nothing. It's it's complete question mark. It's unpredictable. By the way, those are the places too that had like what do you call like like remote learning. Yeah, because they invented it. They didn't have snow days. They had snow months. You know, it's just like the teacher would just call up on a, you know, what do you call it? Three-way call and whatever and just to have, you know, in the party line. A party line. Get all the students on the party line. Let's do it. Let's do it. Today's math lesson. No, it was a beautiful trip. And basically said when I got back from Colorado, if I didn't go on a trip with her this summer, she's going to divorce me. So that was my didn't get divorced trip and that worked out. We didn't, we're still together. So that's good. And then, and then lastly, last week, Toyota, Chicago region had an accessories expo.

18:25Now, I bring this up. It's not really a project. It was really cool. I drove up last Thursday and spent some time with the Chicago region people as they had like six different vendors there. Pelican, Prince Sue and dealer tire. Trying to think some other companies were there. Yachima. They were talking about accessories. It's just like accessories, accessories, accessories. All they would do is talk about that. And jeep does a great job with accessories. I think Ford is doing a pretty decent job. Toyota to their disc credit maybe is just now kind of gotten in the game. You see like their adventure grade vehicles. You see there the different things they're trying to do with over landing and different like you'll see the trail hunter series of trucks. And you're like, oh, okay, I kind of go there doing, but you can sell the vehicle. But then the customers just end up going somewhere else for tires. It goes somewhere else for up control arms or lifts. So Toyota is trying really hard to push that stuff. So it was a really good thing.

19:26And a network saw a ton of people. It was kind of funny. It was kind of funny. It's funny when you do a job for 30 years. And you start recognizing people from the region. Start recognizing other dealers and all that stuff. And you're like, people walk away. And I'm like, oh, I remember who I am. It's kind of fun. You know, and you're like, oh, where have you been? I'm like, oh, Brian, you know, I've seen you since we were on a fish boat 10 years ago. And you know, yeah, so that was a blast. And I really enjoyed that. So I guess the thing about that. And I really like that. And I know a couple of the guys who work in Chicago region, sometimes listen to show. I will say networking is, you know, we can sit there and we can talk about, oh, this car has a new features. Oh, we got this coming out. But sometimes just those personal relationships we have where we've worked with people for so long. Sure. It means so much more. We're so like, oh, I can talk to this guy about this. And we know each other. We have a relationship. It's a lot of fun. We still enjoy Toyota. We can talk about Toyota stuff. But yet, we have a common bond, right?

20:26Yeah. And it's also nice to have that resource if you do have a question. Hey, I got a customer who wants this or hey, what have you guys done with? Yeah, an ex scenario. And it's somebody you can trust rather than just asking, you know, the internet. I met the GM from Ed Martin, Toyota and Indianapolis. And he just done Rubicon with his Land Cruiser. Wow. And he's got a pretty good YouTube channel. And I watched him before. And he makes a deal out of accessories over at Ed Martin. And it was kind of cool because he's like, oh, this is like kind of like my doppelganger a little bit. If I was at a mega mega city store that infinite resources. Yeah. This guy's like going and doing trips and stuff like that. He's a TLCA member. But it's like, we're running like parallel stuff. Never met each other before. So the next thing, and we're like, oh, and we're talking to each other. I'm like, it was cool. It was good event. So I really enjoyed it. And that's probably the best thing I've done in a while. How long we up there? Just a day. One day thing. And where was it in the city city?

21:26It auto bond. Country club. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's actually cool. It was fun. Actually, it broke my heart because we were there. And they have the Twitter now has like a GR race club there. So they have all these 86 is all lined up with the GR logos on them. And so I think what you do, you just like pay your 400 for the day or whatever. And you get to get race GR cars. How cool. That they just race 86s and GR Corolla. I mean, I could think of worse ways to spend your time. Yeah, but it all takes his money anyway. So that's all I've been doing. And you saw my front porch, Darryl. I did. Dude, dude, I'm going to tell you this. I'm becoming completely convinced that if you can't do it yourself, you can't rely on anybody else to help you out. Home Depot has been a disaster when we build those front steps. I've gone to the website. And I've talked to their support staff online. You know, set me the wrong parts first time. Maybe wait two weeks as they lost my second order.

22:28This time it shows up and they're not quite right. I'm going to do metal stair stringers this time. I'm sorry, wood stair stringers because I'm sick of trying to make this look beautiful. I don't have the time. I've been waiting a month. And every time I go into Home Depot, Angela walks up behind me. She's like, you got to say something. I walk up to this kid who's like 17 years old. What am I going to do? Ring this kid's neck? He had nothing to do with the transaction. No, it's not them. Now, people make fun of me too. You know, like, why does our basement remodel take five years? Well, because everybody I've brought in, not everybody, but there's always some issue. There's always some like, hey, 80% is great. There's other 20% has completely jacked up. And when you order stuff from those big box stores, I mean, we've had trouble with all of them. You know, you think, well, one's better than the other. They're all the same. They're all the same. If you have any kind of custom order for like flooring or any, like you're in your case too, stuff comes in wrong, comes in late, stuff comes in damaged. The other house we had, we had cabinets, we ordered,

23:28we had three batches of cabinets come in all damaged, all damaged. I'm like, probably should like maybe find a different shipper. Yeah. You know, like, oh, we never have this problem, except the three times that I've actually ordered from you guys. Like, ridiculous. And they eventually took care of us, but it doesn't matter. Like you said, I would have been better off going out into a wood shop and building cabinets from scratch. Yeah. You know, like, this is a, we're in a weird spot, right? Yeah. Well, and so, Angela, this patty is deck built on her back. Yeah. I could walk through this thing right now and show you every spot. It's a flaw because I just built that box on the front of the house. Yeah. And I did everything with the tracks and did it by the system. Looks nice. From the boom. And I could see what they did wrong. You see? I see what they should have started on the outer edge and worked their way in and cut towards the house. I can see all these different things. I'm like, I don't need to be the master of all crafts. I will say this, and this is not blowing on horn. I always feel like I'm the type of guy.

24:28I could do anything, you know, if you dive into it, read up on it. I can't weld. And I, and I really, and I can't dig into fixing my car so much. But if it's wood, if it's anything around the house, we're talking about concrete, we're talking about masonry, we're talking about electricity, plumbing. I can do it all. You hold your own. Yes. I can do all, and I have no fear of that stuff. And I know when I'm getting a little bit over my head, I can research it and I can figure it out. We're all called somebody. But building a deck is not rocket science. Not really. No, it drives me nuts because I really do think a lot of people pass off that they're an expert in something. And they really have no expertise whatsoever. Yeah. And I know it's just, it's pissing me off anymore. The lack of quality now that, that, that quantifies as an expert. Some would also say it's unique to Central Illinois. You think? Yeah, you go to other places. And people know their stuff. That's the other part that really bothers me is moving from a bigger metro area where, hey, you need somebody put windows in your house, you know, or need to put a deck, you know,

25:30my parents had a deck put on. A guy was out there a week. One guy working by himself, a maculant. Perfect. Absolutely beautiful. I doubt we could have something like that done here. To your point, the windows we want for the house. We want to have like larger picture windows, but then, boy, if everybody just doesn't want to call minars, you need some minars windows. Yeah, just, yeah, just some, that's not what we want. We want to replace. Yeah, I don't want to replace the windows, but nobody around here. And this goes, I mean, this, when I ran my beer podcast years ago, you say everything bled in from the coast. East Coast, West Coast, eventually made it to Central Illinois. And it's culture, but I can't manage this workmanship. I think it's just awareness of what is out there in the world. We're so, we're so insular in this part of the country. Yeah. We've never had to look outside to see what other people are doing, right? So nobody has an idea of what's available, what's possible. Yeah, I guess you just have to drop some of your needs and dial your expectations down. Get used to disappointment.

26:30That's what Sarah's, Sarah's tried to tell me this for years, for years. And I'm like, no, Doug Garnett, there's a right way and a wrong way. Doug Garnett, yeah. Anyways, anyway, so that's enough of my projects. I got you know, sorry, Eric, just, I hate everybody. And I'm going to do it myself. Look, you're not a grumpy old man this episode. Except when you show up at Darryl Scott's place. Uh-oh. And Darryl's like, got this truck out. First off, Darryl posts everything online. He's worse than me, I think. Maybe. Yeah. And he shares that he's got the truck out and they got out of the storage. And I'm like, okay, that's cool. He's going to talk a little bit about that. I don't know what this thing is. It's like a, it's like a blue thing. It's got blue. It's got rust. It smells old. But anyway, I'm like, well, what's going on in the garage? What's going on? You know, and I walk in the garage and the plummet's out there. And there's where's Bork. And where's that black and that blue car? They're not there. But the Cadillac's still in the corner holding up the fuck. The source. Oh, whoa.

27:30There you go. Blue. You can't leave that out. Yeah. But there's the Cadillac's in the corner, taking up space. So like, where are all the cars at, man? Where are the cars? And I didn't sell anything. Don't worry. All right. So let's talk about Darryl side project. Yeah. We didn't sell a thing. And then even though we should. No. For those who are just tuning in now. I didn't buy anything new. But I rediscovered. You ever have something? You know, where you, you, you find an old box in the basement or in the attic or in a garage. Like, oh, oh, this old thing. Yeah. I still got like an old vest from, you know, high school, you know, or an Abercrombian fit shirt. Oh, let's try it on. See if it still fits. Yeah. It still fits kind of sort of, you know, this cool. I'm glad I didn't get rid of this because I still like it. Well, we did that, but it was with a 1976 Chevy C20 Fleetside pickup. Yeah. Turns out my wife's grandfather. Uh, on her mom's side bought this truck new. It was a your stereotypical farm truck from Southern Illinois, absolutely. And it was a, it's a C20 custom deluxe.

28:32Not a Silverado or a Cheyenne or any fancy pants. This is like four wheels, a seat and a motor. This is, this is when people say truck, this is what they think of is this is truck. No two-tone paint. No really cool options. It's two-wheel drive. And it's a three-quartered ton. So it was ordered with a a three fifty four barrel turbo three fifty automatic big 14 bolt rear end. And the only options it has are a passenger side mirror and AM radio. And of course the three fifty that was an option. And then it has one ton heavy duty brakes, one ton heavy duty rear suspension. So it's got like a bazillion leaf springs in it. And then the disc, uh, disc in the front, uh, drums in the back. And it is a tank. It is, when you go down the road in this thing, it is, unless you've got about 800 pounds in the bed, it'll, you hit a, you hit a small bump at your head's hitting the roof. I mean, it's beefy. Two-wheel drive, right? Two-wheel drive. And the entire time when my wife, and I before my wife and I got married, um, you know, we were dating, you know,

29:38I'm going to go mo, grandma's lawn and run some groceries to her and stuff. I'll go with you. So we go down to the family farm and in beautiful new aethan, zillinois. New aethan. New aethan. Is that south of aethans? Uh, yes it is. It is. Um, it's actually, uh, it's kind of Metro East near Belleville. Okay. Way south. Way south. Yeah. Um, and this thing was always, ever since it was new, it just sat in one of the outbuildings on the farm. Barn cats, you know, peed and puked and eviscerated mice on it. Um, it, it probably got a bath once every 10 years. I mean, this thing was kind of, I don't want to say abused. Mm-hmm. But it was well used. It neglected a little bit. It was a tool, right? I mean, just like any other, it's just like a tractor. It's exactly what that was. Um, Sarah remembers taking like the, uh, the mowers in to get service somewhere, cub cadets, and not having a wheel chalk on it. Mm-hmm. Throw it in the bed and, you know, hit the brakes and the thing went into the front of the box and dented the box.

30:39Um, I guess he used to haul, uh, like cattle end to go get slaughtered, go to the side of beef every year. He just put some steaks on the bed. The thing would flash around in there and then dented tailgate. I mean, this, this thing was beefy. But it always ran. And, and to this day, um, when, when he passed away in 2004, her grandma said a couple years later, so like, hey, if you and Sarah, and no one, anybody want to buy this old truck for a couple hundred bucks, we just at that time bought our old, our first house. We had moved to Peoria and we're like, uh, we got a haul drywall. We got a haul lumber. We got to go to the dump and get rid of all this construction debris. And I rented a minarge truck twice and I'm like, this sucks. 1995 a day, babe. Yeah, but you have to buy something. Oh, really? It's just like, say I want to just come on that truck and like, go to you all. So I literally, this is how, this is how stupid I was. We were so naive and dumb and cheap. We used to buy one, two by four and then rent them an art store.

31:42Absolutely. Wow. Yeah. That's the manager hated us because she knew. And the second time she tried to like not rent it to us like, because she gave me some craft about the insurance. Yeah. Like, oh, you don't have full coverage. I'm like, I do. I got a Mustang co-brone this night full coverage. And well, and she knew what we were doing. She, whatever. So right on this time, I'm like, you know what? Rusty old 70s pickup that runs and drives for 500 bucks. Chair grandma will buy it. And in my mind, I'm like, this is again, it's a tool. Yeah. Go to my yards, throw the stuff in there. I don't care about it. It's not shiny. It's a cool old truck and I can maintain it. But I never thought long term this is going to be a thing. Yeah. So grandpa's old beater truck. My wife is like, this is my grandpa's truck. This is core memories. Oh, yeah. By the way, I also bought her other grandpa on her dad's side truck years ago, fixed it up and sold it. Never heard the end of that. So I've actually bought both grandpa's trucks. Yeah. And I knew that if I didn't do something with this one, keep it long term, have plans to keep it on the road, restore it.

32:43I'd probably get divorced. So we fixed up that house, then kept it at Haldholm, our 47 Chevy. It hold Haldholm a 50 Chevy fleet line. It did a bunch of stuff over the years and just like it earned its keep for sure. Never had a problem with it except the exhaust fell off. So tell me, oh, sorry, you said you said. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Free, free 50. Yeah, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's a lot for a two-wheel drive truck. It's not bad. And it's, you know, mid-70s, they weren't putting out a ton of power. 200 horsepower. Yes. I'm probably like probably like 150 or something. I've got a lot of torque. Yeah. And it does the job. And it's a three quarter ton with an eight foot bed. So, you know, compared to the modern trucks. Dude, the steel of the tailgate. Even the handle steel, which is crazy. Every Toyota tailgate handle ever since I was a kid. In the 90s. Plastic, yeah. And that thing's just metal. And you're like pulling out, you're like, you imagine that the metal is like pulling on a metal lever somewhere inside there.

33:45There's nothing that's plastic about that. It's a lot of fun because it's like a Tonka. As a young kid, as a young boy, especially grown up in the 80s, you know, it's like everyone had a Tonka truck. A metal truck that if you dropped it or threw it at somebody, you'd put a gash in your head. Yeah. That's what this is. But like in real life. So anyways, after we got the other house kind of tidied up and to a spot or a somewhat livable, the thing was starting to get real rusty. And I'm like, you know what? If we just leave this out in the driveway or just keep using it as a beater, it's going to run... It's going to be gone. And it's going to be unsaligable. So let's put this thing away. Put it in storage until we figure out what the heck we're going to do with it. That was in 2018, April 20th of 2018. We put it into a storage unit in Mosville. And we just walked away from it. And ever since then, I've seen like Instagram posts with like, peekaboo, like here's the front end of a Chevy truck. Yeah. And I'm like, what's the story on that thing? But never really didn't. Did you take it to cars and coffee like once or twice? No. Never had it. Never.

34:46Never had it out. No, it was never to a point. I don't want to say I was a bearer of stuff. But it was to a point where I'm like, hey, this is a cool little truck. But it needs to be painted before I take it and show it. Everybody would come over and see it. They'd be like, oh, that's cool. Truck, man. You should drive. It's patina. It's an old truck. Like, it's really cool. And that's how Sarah feels. Yeah. I'm still like, it needs paint. It needs metal work. It needs this. And I'm like, I need to get over that. The fact that it still runs the drives. The only reason we got out of storage and the reason why it's popped up now, our storage... By the way, anybody who has a storage unit, curious info-throw-en-ranges.com, let me know what you're paying when you started per month and what you're paying now, because that's the whole thing, too. It's... You know, anybody that's got a storage unit, they just keep raising it, raising it, raising it. Until it's unaffordable, and you're like, I'm out of here. Yeah. That's what happened with us. We had two storage units, and we're like, this is... It's basically tripled in the last eight, and over eight years, it's tripled and cost. Wow. And I'm like, well, that's cool because like the roof's fallen, you know, like caving in. I've got bugs here. I've got mildew here. That's great. So we're paying three times as much for absolute crash or so.

35:57So, Sarifon one that was admittedly controlled. No, no, wasn't real real fancy. The one where the truck was was fine. The other one we had like household stuff really was really bad. So that was that's basically been our whole summer is cleaning up that stuff. So anyway, we found a nicer unit. We're going to move some of the other stuff and other vehicles to that. And then we had to get this running. And I said, and I'm going to go out there with some gas. I mean, it's been eight years. It's probably varnish party. It actually wasn't. It wasn't that bad. Yeah. All the fluids were fine. The tires were terrible. So we wound up airing it up and then I went to start it put, you know, oiled it up and and put a battery on it. And it wouldn't fire. It wouldn't get fuel. And I'm like, well, in my 20s, I'd go out there with a fuel pump or I go out there and, you know, I have all these visions. Now where I'm like, what if I set the storage unit on fire? If it backfire, what if, you know, I'm like, I don't need this. And on that truck, you have dropped the fuel tank straps and bring the tank down. It's mechanical. So it's in the motor. But it's not hang out underneath and you have to like reach over. And I'm fat and old now. So I'm like, you know what? We'll just pay a tow truck to come out there.

37:04Set it all up. I'm like flatbed Saturday morning, such and such, nine o'clock, whatever. Dependable towing didn't show up till 10 30 after multiple calls. They didn't show up with a flatbed. They showed up with just a regular like boom truck. And when the guy got there, he's like, well, every driver called off this weekend because it's so nice out. I'm like cool. Great. Yeah, I don't care. Yeah. I'm still you wasted an hour and a half of my time. Got the thing home, put a fuel pump, a brand new car, a fuel pump for 14 bucks. Rockado. Thank you. Put that on. Change the oil filter. Change the oil and filter and got all the fluids topped off. And that thing just kicked off like it was yesterday. Nice. And I just there is something to be said as much as, you know, I like I'm not necessarily brand loyal, but I did grow up a Chevy guy and working on one of these things. GM Apologist. If you don't have a GM Apologist patch email me info at throwingrinks.com. I'll send one to the mail. We've got. I don't care. I don't care for your subscriber, if you're Patreon or whatever. We'll get one. I got a patch. It's got your name on it. This is just because Darryl is a GM Apologist. I am. I am.

38:16But it just honestly the fuel pump and I replaced it when I think we got the thing in the early 2000s. So it probably just the diaphragm dried up in it. That's all it took is battery and a fuel pump. That's it done. And we were driving around the block like later that day. So it's cool to have something that just works tires have been replaced. I did order new tires. I did the I went to discount tire. And I found the cheapest tire you could get. I think there's 16 there. Do you want to do me tell me? No, it's actually a vantage. Oh, but they here's the fun part. If you look for the cheapest tire on discount tires website tires.com. You can select the it just says entry level. You know, there's a like Michelin bridge stone Yokohama that they're not. Or entry level. And that entry level one for is I think it's a 185 something 16. So originally 16 and a half they don't. It's a 185 105 because it's even it's 100% side wall. It's just awesome. It looks ridiculous. It looks like a toy.

39:21But I want and it said 93 bucks a piece mounted balance install. I was like, are you kidding me? So I'm like, we and you when you add it to the cart on tires that come. It says we don't tell you what brand it is. It's whatever's available. So when I got to the store, I bought the rims and stuff. Okay, so when they say mountain balance is not like you're getting tire rack where they're already showing with rims. They're saying that surprise with you roll in with the rim. Yeah, okay. Yeah, it was funny because I did roll in right when they opened. They came in a day. I had set up an appointment for Saturday morning. This is like, so who is your installer? Some do named Jackson or some. Is it a shop? Yeah, it's over by it's the old Sears tire NTB over by Northwoods. Is it that's not hill or wind? No, it's just discounted. No, it's just discount tire. It's the actual physical retail store. Okay, right. So it was like free to ship to the store. They came within a day and then they called and said, yeah, your appointment Saturday, but we can get you in whenever I said, okay, well, I'll swing by. They had them installed in like 38 minutes. Yeah, sure. Awesome. Yeah, because you'll have to rack the car. Anything up to do.

40:21No, I actually made made everything go real smooth. Make sure the lug nuts are crossed. I mean, honestly, I don't think these tires are probably going to last more than two three seasons. But they're round and they hold there. Which is more than I could say. So I got the thing going. I the only other thing is the Y pipe on the crossover pipe on the exhaust. I patched that with like soup cans 20 years ago. So seriously, I'm not kidding. You band those together. Five clamps. Nice. And it lasted seriously. Yeah, it lasted for several years. And I'm like, great. I don't got to do it. And then it blew out. And then when I went to replace this, you know, this Y pipes really, really shot. I'm going to, I'm going to replace it. Yeah. I went, I literally soaked all the exhaust manifold studs coming out of the manifold. I put a wrench on it and went and just broke a stud right off. I said, well, the other five are going to be the same. So I said, I'm just going to leave that there. Yeah. So I'm taking it in tomorrow. Yeah, it's going to be bad. I took it. I'm going to take it into a place on Western called Campos. Never heard of it. It's a small neighborhood shop that does just exhaust it.

41:29Southwestern. Yeah. All right. Yeah. And they're like, Hey, man, you bring it in the day in the morning, first come first, we'll have it done that day. Nice. I'll see you Thursday. It's an art form when you watch guys retrieve bolts heads, studs. Yeah. Out of a block. And they can like tie on with a bolt or something like that. Or like welded nut on the same pack or tie on with it. And just and then remove it. It's like, wow. Yeah. I'm the days of me even trying to do anything like or or chop it flush and then try to drill it out and put it easy out and they're forget it. That's crap. I got a helicoil kit that we seldom pull out. We had to use over the years because cameras had a problem. The head bolts. God, what a nice strip out. Yeah. Yeah. We're talking like mid 2000s. I mean, and I have that kit sitting there, but we haven't really had to. You don't see too many people do it anymore because they'll sling a used engine for cheaper than a tear down anymore. Yeah. It's just not worth it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we start getting and I've broken easy outs before trying to get things out. I'm like, I'm just not good. I'm not a machinist. So I'm like, let's just torch them out. Do what you got to do and I'll pay whatever you pay.

42:34But the goal is to get the exhaust done. And then that way, honestly, I got a little Bluetooth thing. I hooked up speakers in there. So I got a little stereo going on. Yeah, they're condition there for you. I've got an air conditioner. Thanks, pay trans folks. And if all goes well, I hope to have it at cars and coffee this Saturday. Just just for giggles. You know, the thing, so you talk about maybe repaint, refinished. Yeah. But the one thing, and this was a huge takeaway for me. I was talking about that metal release handle. Yeah. It's almost pitted like iron. Like when I touched it, it was like the raw metal had been raw for so long in the in the hand grease and the oils that touched it. It was pitted almost like a piece of coral. It's really great. Because it's honest to God. It's just like this is raw steel. And you party to things like this is like a train from like the 1800s in some ways that steel is just so exposed. Pretty great. That's what Sarah said. She's like, I don't want to paint. I never want to paint. I said, OK, I said, I get that. What is the story though, like the hood? It's worse than the Chrysler. Yeah. Is that just from corrosion from humidity sitting in a, in a, in a gut area tree sap. It's from tree sap that basically kind of etches the paint and just you can't get it off.

43:46It's from like I said, I'm not, I'm not kidding. Cat vomit. Yeah. I mean, all kinds of weird stuff. And the metal on those was very, very thin. I mean of all the, I mean, they all were back in the mid to late 70s. They weren't doing any really great corrosion protection. But Chevy in particular. I mean, I had a 78 Ford F150 that also had from the same era, same time, same town. Yeah. And that thing was fine. So there's definitely something to be said. Those square bodies are really neat trucks. And you can get all kinds of aftermarket sheet metal and replacement sheet metal and basically build one from scratch. If you go online and just, you know, add $12,000 to a cart, you can do it. The trouble is in my mind, then you lose the, you know, the authenticity of it. And from, from my, from Sarah's perspective, a lot of people's perspective. That's why the patina thing is still always in. A lot of guys are, you know, well patina's not, you know, that's not how they should look. You should paint them and spend the money in the time and whatever. I get that. But there's also something to be said for looking at something that has those battle scars and has a little, you know, those dense and stuff. Well, there's a story and that's the history of it.

44:51And I'd much rather see something like that at a car's and coffee than something that somebody, you know, put everything into a, you know, an Eastwood catalog and a Jigs catalog and just mail ordered and painted. Because anybody can do that. Yeah. No, I agree with that. I mean, you have the core product and any guy can convert the paint and change anything over on that and corrupt it. What would it look like? I don't know. There's an honesty to it. You know, it sits right now. And, and where do you stop? It's like, okay, I put fresh coat of paint on it. But now the interior is not perfect. Oh, the trim, the chrome trims around the window. They aren't perfect. Right. You know, I think this keeps the honesty part about it. If you want to do a complete restoration, you know what you're in for there. But why do like a half? Like I'm going to throw some fresh paint on just to make it look a little better. It's like, do it half a facelift. Would you have facelift, Darryl? Yeah, look a little weird. It does need something to slow down the rest like the rockers need to be redone. You know, I need to go underneath and paint the thing with POR 15 and underoded. Yeah, just to preserve to maintain it. So we'll see.

45:56Am I also taking time getting this done and enjoying this more than working on my other two projects right now? Yeah, absolutely. Because this runs and drives. So it's a little easier to be like, Hey, I made it somewhat better versus I got a pull-up motor. You know, and this will be the cars and coffee beast on Saturday. I love it. I hope so. Yeah, cool. Are you going? Yeah, that's plan. Okay. I got wedding Friday afternoon to Aiden's officiating and then Saturday morning. Man, let's do it. It sounds good. All right. Cool. How do we can come up? All right. We brought back race daily kill. I dug you out of the grave and pulled her back for on a 190 E. You is disappointed in me, but you you revived the subject again here. You brought the race daily kill of the table. I did. I did. And I don't know. It's probably just the 70s truck. I'm working on. I'm in the 70s mode. I can tell. I can tell. So picture this Eric. I'm picturing. Here's the scenario for this week's rate. There you go. Go for it. Race daily.

47:00Really cute. Some good echo here. The year is 1977. You just ended your last quarter with a big sales bonus. And you need a new car to show everyone that you've moved on up in the world, but you still have a sense for adventure. You probably have a really nice mullet to which one of these cars the following cars. Would you race daily and which one would you kill the choices this week. Eric, I'll put to you. Number one, the blue oval offering is a 1977 Ford Mustang 2 Cobra 2. It's a lot of twos in there, but it's you know the downsize Mustang. You guys probably Google this, but you probably mind right now is like racing. This one features a 302 making a whopping 134 horsepower going through a catalytic converter and low compression heads and just overall sad board Warner 4 speed manual. And the car performance wise, it'll do a quarter mile in 17.7 seconds. And it'll cross the lights there at 78 miles an hour. So that's what that's what the Ford offering is.

48:09Number two, it's from the folks in Pontiac, a 1977 Trans Am. And this is peak Trans Am season, right? This is a smoking the band at era, screaming chicken on the hood, big 400 Pontiac 4 barrel 180 horsepower under the hood of the spiced. And this one also has a 4 speed, but it's a board Warner super T10 brother. And this one trips the lights at the quarter mile of 15.8 seconds at a speed of 82 miles an hour. Okay, and if that's not, you know, general motors, you did this last one, you did this purposely. I did. I did. GM and Ford really on your bag, you're kind of a moped our guy and you're really partial to the Plymouth Valarys. Well, they have a sporty offering here, 1977 Plymouth Valar, a road runner addition, which gets you the stripes, it gets you the hood scoop, the air dam. And frankly, it's kind of a cool looking car. This one features a 360 V8 4 barrel. It's got a nice Carter 4 barrel on there 175 horsepower rumbling under the hood. This also has a 4 speed manual, but has no drive. So it's kind of like a 5 speed.

49:14And this one will do a quarter mile and 16.7 seconds at 81 mile an hour. So Ford Mustang 2, cober 2 Pontiac Trans Amp or the Plymouth Valarys road runner, those are your choices. So it's a really crap, dude. This is an amazing lamp. And this is why Darryl should be more involved with these type of things because first off as a Vilari nerd as a kid. First car. First car. Yeah, it was my first car 1978 Vilari. It was a Ford or but still had the slant six didn't have a V8. But we still drove the heck out of that car. It had a great time. This this Vilari you've shown a picture of here. Now I don't know if this truly represents a 77 road runner, but target tops. Was that that a thing on a whole lot. Yeah, holy sly all three of these. Yeah, that's a pretty cool car. And as a matter of fact, you'll see Vilari's come up for sale every once in a while here in Central Illinois and they'll be mint. They'll be nice cars, but generally speaking, they're kind of like the car I had when I was 16. They're their grandma's car. They were in the garage for years and grandpa grandma took good care of them. And if there are two door, they're probably just like in a nice cinnamon brown color.

50:27And it's just a blue, you know, but you don't see them in rally red with a scoop on and they and T tops. Okay. All right. So that's you've shown me here with the 1977 and it's a V8 with a hundred seven horsepower and a certain 16.7 seconds. Oh my god in the quarter mile, which is shocking that that's nearly right there with the Pontiac Trans Am Pontiac Trans Am smoking the bandit. I feel right now you're in your wedding dress in the passenger seat and I'm like, all right, that works. But I'm not a GM guy, my family hated GM for years and every GM car we ever had was coming nightmare except that Astro. Now the wild card on this whole thing, Darryl, you don't know this whole thing, but my uncle when I was a kid, yeah, it was like 11 years old in my uncle mark had a cobra too. And he had it in white with blue stripes. Nice. I want to tell you this, that car was big pimping. I was a kid. I would see that car roll up and I was just like, oh my god. Uncle Mark was like football homecoming king. He was, he was the guy who's a drummer and I ogled over that car all the time. So, so this car, you really came out of nowhere and you really brought back some memories on this. So nice happy.

51:42Yeah, so that's all long winded say, you know, five minutes segment here, which one am I going to race, which I'm going to daily, which one I'm going to kill. I'm racing the Vilari. Listen, I raised a four door slant six from you can go from February to the north end of normal in 19 minutes. If you're averaging about 100 miles an hour and I did that. Set some landspeed records back there. Take take route 24 to route 66 and boom, you can be literally in campus town before you know it. So I've done that and I love the Vilari and just just because you drug that car out. Yeah, I have to race that. That's the race car. Nobody ever predict that. But that's the case. Okay, which one am I going to daily man, I tell you what if I if I'm 1977 I got a molet. I'm cruising February in the Mustang. I'm sorry. I'm not a Mustang guy. Yeah, and the cobra too is such a weird little car. But it's a daily. You know what? I think I can pick up a chick. So the weekends and I can look kind of cool in this car. It's definitely the 70s like trying to save some gas.

52:44Jimmy Carter got involved somewhere in the design of this car and screwed it up. But missed everything. But it's such a weird little car and it's cool. It was a cool car. I'm going to daily that guy. Awesome. And I'm killing the trans am I hate to kill a trans am. But it's cliche. It's over. Yes. Yeah. The trans am is a gym apologist. You're going to select that as your racer daily. I can I know that's going to happen right now. So I'm interested in Darrell Scott where you line up against me on this. Excellent choices. You know what? I can't. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it I can't fault all of these. I think you could make a case for it. But I'm going to go right out of the gate and say I'm going to go ahead and race. The Valarri. I think you and I are going to agree on that because because first of all. It just got a look to it that the other stone that car has some stance. Yeah. It does. I also think that that 360 with a four speed and that small body style. I think would be a riot. Right. Absolutely. I think it's just a car been taken cam away from being a contender.

53:44Right now. It's got the look. And of course, I think there was even like a Richard Petty addition of that. I think there was like a like a blue, you know, special edition. Well, the chance you could find one of these mint right now for a decimals go out west because none of them survived here. I don't know. I actually haven't looked for one of these. I can't imagine the desirability level is very high on these at all. It's starting to because like the the early 70s bullpipes stuff is unobtainable. You know. And arrested out 318 charge. Yeah, that'd be 60 grand. Cool. Great. Um, I'll take the Valarri. But this car doesn't have the eyeball. That's the thing. No, it doesn't. That hood scoop does a lot for me though. I don't know. The hood scoop in the anyway. It's got cool lines. I think it could be a fun race car, especially with that the stick in there. As predicted. I'm predictable. I would daily the Trans Am why? Because you're a bigger guy. You came fit in that cobra. No, I can't. That's then that's why I would kill the cobra. It's a space thing. It's a I look. Look, I've had Mustangs. I've had a cobra. I love Ford and I love the 302.

54:46That car isn't a combination. It was then it was it's always going to be Jimmy Carter from the from the four lug axles to the back seat. That's like a joke to the just plastic filler panels everywhere. No, thanks. No, thanks. That Trans Am. I wouldn't I know I would be able to cruise 85 all day long with that 400 blowing ice cubes out of the air conditioner, a track, Delco, a track plan, quadrasonic sound. That thing would be awesome. And you know what? If there's people you want to, you know, impersonate over the years, I could think Bert Reynolds in smoking the bandit. That's an icon. Who you know it's either Hammer Thomas Magnum. If you're looking for 70s, do's with mustaches to, you know, kind of aspire to your uncle's got a cool story to buy that trans. I'm more of a domed Eloise, but the trans Am happy my daily kill the cobra and those are our choices. Yeah. All right. I'll give you that. Thank you. We're pretty good job. Good job. Good job. We're not too far. The Vallari shocker that that's your race. It's a nice looking rig. Yeah. I honestly, I don't want daily that thing.

55:54You think it might lead you stranded somewhere. And now it's time. Well, actually, you know, I think I think I think I have a theme. Yeah, there's some somewhere. One of those hot TV. We go. Yeah. There. It's time for the news. So professional. I know I tried this. I learned all that when I was on TV. Like, did you see that was on TV? I did. That was hilarious. And people call me. I saw you on the news. Yeah. So you'll know the TV. Yeah. I was on TV. It's funny when they call you in to ask you to be on the TV. You sit there 15 minutes. And you know, they're going to use maybe five seconds. You can't predict. They're going to use two. I mean, it's crazy. It's like. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I even say that. I guess I did. She pulled maybe the worst clip. But it is what it is. So that's my day job, Darryl. You know, I'm a celebrity run. I'm a big blind of a big deal. I'm a D level celebrity in a B level county. I think it's my. That's that's my ranking. Right now. All right. Anyway, let's get on with the news. We got all kinds of things going on. But it's mostly the world, Darryl. B. B. W. I guess they're going to kind of hit us right now. I actually pulled this article up on the backside here. So B. W. Management Proposes a shutdown of four German plants reports say Volkswagen groups management. This is from Reuters, by the way. Their management board plans proposed the ending of production at four German plants between 2031 and 2034. Well, that's a little anti-climatic in it. A little bit. I mean, it's still.

57:20It's still five or six years out. Anyway, German business outlets. What a home man. Workshops watch reported. And if I pull up here in Reuters, the actual article, they're considering shutting down four facilities in Germany. Two people from the matter said it's facing mounting pressure from Chinese rivals. The closures at Hanover, Suwako and Emden and Audi's. Oh my God. Necker, solem site. I'll trust you. All right. We'll soon put more than 45,000 jobs at risk on top of the 50,000 job cuts agreed by unions in late 2024 according to people to the people. Man, that is kind of crazy. Now, the next article that goes along with this VW is worn by the union of massive opposition to its turnaround dispute. This is Germany, IG, metal union has worn the maximum resistance to VW's restructuring plans ahead of its crucial board vote on September 4th. The overhaul could include plant closures and 50,000 layoffs. It's pretty substantial. Fun stuff. Now, I had also heard that some of these VW

58:28protests were actually going on in Tennessee because they're talking about even though all these closures are talking about we're in Germany. I want to double check that one sitting there talking to you. But I think it's Tennessee people that are actually fighting back at the union. Interesting. In Tennessee, sorry, this is a folks, this is live local late breaking. So key contract details they want 20% across the board pay increase over four year term. They want immediate cost reductions in their health care, including a minimum of 20% drop of health care. They want job security, strong protections against unilateral job cuts, outsourcing and shift reductions and the grievance process and bonuses. Oh my God, folks, you want everything? Good luck with that in the car business right now, right? Well, especially when globally there, like you said, they highlighted some of the Chinese competition. And remember a couple of years ago, we're like, hey, VW is poised to go electric and really make a huge move. When we started this show eight years ago, VW looked like it was the hottest thing in the world.

59:31Yeah, absolutely. And then dieselgate happened. And I was going to ask, is this all residual damage from dieselgate in terms of damage to the brand, damage to the name, damage to whatever. And also just frankly, they paid a ton of money out. And the sad part is, yeah, it's like paying for someone else's mistakes. But like, are they ever going to recover from that? Is this all from from residual dieselgate stuff? You know, I don't know the answer to that, but it is interesting to me because you think, like I had a friend who had a Pissot diesel and they ended up buying it back from him. Yeah. And he had a hundred thousand miles on this thing, maybe 200. It was a lot of miles and they had given a ton of money for the car. Yeah. Came in about a Prius. But in that meantime, there was like a bajillion jettadisels and Pissot diesels over at that Rivian lot. Back to when Rivian was trying to get on its feet, right? And I would have thought since they renovated all those cars, they fixed everything, there would still be a ton of those cars on the road.

1:00:32I would have thought there would be some brand loyalty still drifting around. But even to this day, we bought a couple of those at the dealership on the wholesale thing. Yeah. Those cars kind of like drifted off. We never really saw them again. No. Because they weren't bought by folks who wanted a diesel Volkswagen. That's the thing. When people, remember, you know, growing up, there were some people down at the end of the street that were like, oh, they had diesel VWs. Like that's just what they drove. Yeah. Or TDI people. Yeah. The people that bought the diesel gates after they kind of got sprinkled back into the market. Mike Murphy bought a ton of them too. It seemed like for years they had one for, you know, for 10 grand. You could buy a low mileage. Absolutely. You know, diesel all the time. Those are people just want to cheat cars. Yeah. So I don't know. I really feel like that still really damaged them to the point where and the brand globally where that I don't know that they're ever going to recover from that. I don't know. It's too bad. I mean, they went with that ID buzz and some other electric models and they did the electrical and that electrify UFA USA was part of that settlement.

1:01:39You know, they had to build so many EV charging stations. That probably stole a ton of resources from, but it seemed like a smart play during the Biden administration. And now as we get deeper into this and nobody cares about EVs as much as they thought they would. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. VW stock probably is a lot less right now. The buzz is, I think they're not coming back next year. This on the ID 3s. They were at one point they were doing like I think it was like a 90 or 199 a month lease. Yeah. Something super super cheap. And it was like, please do something. And those are great vehicles. Yeah. Great. They're very still well made. You know, lucky enough, thankfully my brother-in-law took me to Wolfsburg and I got to tour the plant last year. We were over there. Oh, that's cool. And so I got to actually see that. And one of the reasons that we went there was we specifically said we don't know what the future of VW is going to be. And usually what happens with like, yeah, Chrysler, Fiat, all this stuff. They start chopping GM. Anything historical or like really cool, like public tours things like they start chopping that off because they don't need to do that.

1:02:44No. No. So I was lucky enough to go through the auto shot and see that whole plant and all the different places. But I could still tell after being there, it's not what it used to. Like it's not like there's not the joy. There's not hey, we're proud of this. The perfect new gun. Yeah, it's not a little. It's not the 90s anymore, which is really sad. Anyway, interesting story. I'm glad you shared that. Yeah, it sucks. I don't I don't even know what to expect on that because you know, Stellantis, I think is kind of a stinkfest all the time. I always think Volkswagen is like a cut above that, but I feel like right now they're kind of on the ropes. Yeah. It's supposed to be the steady Eddie. Yeah, right. All right. Here's one from the street and a couple was about a year ago. There was that proposed Honda Nissan merger. It sounded great. It sounded like a wonderful thing for everybody. Well, here's something from the street. Of course, they didn't go through. Here's the latest article is the failed Honda Nissan merger just got a second life. 18 months after the deal died over control. The two rivals signed something far narrower by Toby Amure.

1:03:45But most partnerships do not fall apart over the work. He says they fall apart over who gets to sign off on it. Bands that record well together, argue about whose name goes first on the sleeve. Law firms that build beautifully split over the letterhead. And the thing that breaks a partnership up is almost never the thing the partnership was built to do. What the new Honda and Nissan merger software agreement covers is that companies have entered a joint development agreement that covers multiple electronic control units that form the core of the next generation software defined vehicles STBs. Really another actor? I'm named Brian Hervin. STB, okay. Software defined vehicles. What does that mean? Probably electric or anything. Does it like run on a train track? Yeah. They go choo-choo Eric. Along with the in-vehicle operating systems and key parts of the middleware and vehicle control software. That's according to a joint statement that Honda put out in their newsroom just a couple days ago. August 31st. An electronic control unit is a K.A. Your onboard computer runs the motor runs a lot of the stuff, right?

1:04:46Modern vehicles carry dozens of them scattered throughout the body. And the point of the agreement is that the is is going to replace that sprawl with a number of small shared high performance units that run common code. If you follow like Monroe or some of these other kind of auto engineers channels on YouTube, they explain a lot of this stuff in greater detail. But it's basically like architecture that is kind of like shared architecture. I think it is like your car runs Linux. Yeah. No, no. For sure. For iOS, like power is everything or like sonos. Used to be like, oh, I've got smart speakers. They're all Bluetooth control. Well, sonos runs a network and it's all connected throughout your whole thing. And so you can just keep adding to it and doing all kinds of cool stuff with it. Same is going to be true with automotive, automotive computer architecture. But I mean, to this point, we use a scan tool. My dealership, we use a scan tool. It's Toyota software. And when a super comes in the store, guess what? It's different. Yeah, we're not using the Toyota software.

1:05:46We're using the Toyota BMW software. I remember getting into Ista. I remember having to do stuff in there. So I see what they're doing here. Similar. It is similar. But in some respects, if anybody comes with a Honda, you know, that's going to be like a Honda today. They're going to use a Honda software. Same thing with the Nissan. If you're at Nissan Technician, you're like, oh, I'm just getting my Nissan software. I don't know what these software is called. Everybody has their own acronyms for it. Texturing. No, no, no, no, no. We're texturing for Toyota. Yeah. Texturing light. But now, and they'd say when, but let's just say in 2028, they start doing some joint stuff. That means it's going to be another portal lamp to use. It's going to be a new software these guys are going to use. It's going to be interesting to see how long that can last if it works. Now, remember when this article was first brought up years ago, Mitsubishi was in the mix. They were, which was also surprising. I remember you and I had that discussion like how are they still a thing? Yeah, exactly. There's still somebody needs to help Mitsubishi. Well, there was an article I've avoided for tonight's show. It was about the Pajero Mitsubishi Pajero.

1:06:47It was like how it's going against the land cruiser. Something like that. Yeah, give me a break. Okay, it's not even worth reporting on, right? Maybe in some countries. The only place I see it is like overseas in some, middle east. I guess it sells really well there. But globally, it can't be that much of a competitor. This will be interesting. Like I said, it all becomes down to the software and the technicians have to use it. They'll be married to it. Okay, it says right here. Next generation vehicle is beginning at this year. 2029, sorry. Now you're good. You're good. But 2029 will be your 40 now because we're selling 2027s. We've been selling them for a month or two. So we're talking about 18 months or now. 24 months. And think about that too. Like honestly, the Nissan, you know, there's some partnerships there with other manufacturers, right? Honda, like the, not the prairie, what's the, I can't even think of it. Not the Tony car. Well, there's that too. What's the one prologue or whatever? It's like a, it's basically a Chevy Trailblazer with a Honda badge on it.

1:07:48Oh, yeah. So same thing. Like, and to your point too, with the Toyota stuff, with the Super. Well, well, it's like a joint venture with BMW. Yeah. So like everybody's going to bring their own little flavor. Yeah. You know, so yeah, your, your OBD2 port will give you all the kind of the basics. But if you're like, hey, I need to flash the computer. I need to ref, reflash the, you know, the navigation unit or something. If it's not speaking the same language, it ain't happening to it. It's going to be tough. Yeah. It's going to be tough. But more training. More training. More training. Yeah. Well, and it becomes like I had a call from the Galesburg Toyota store while back. I was like, hey, we don't have a super technician here today. Can you guys look at the super that came in and I'm like, you're an hour away from us. Yeah. And I said, where's the guy from? He's like, from Chicago. I'm like, he could just try back Chicago. Yeah. But if you want to bring it down here, that's fine. And she's coming back. So yeah, he's just going to take it back Chicago. I'm like, probably so. Yeah. Good idea. Yeah. Because I said, even if we look at it and we find a problem with it, he's going to be down here two days. You know, yeah. What am I supposed to do? Just go back, go back home.

1:08:48Get out of here. Hey, it's a good convention and visitors, uh, bureau, uh, you know, come to beautiful North Peakin. Stay in the hotel. Yeah. Enjoy Rosani's pizza. Yeah. Shame on me. I blew that guy up. But I was trying to be realistic. I didn't need order or partner having trapped in Peoria for a weekend, right? Maybe they don't, you know what? I don't think they have Casey's pizza up in the suburbs. They don't? No. You know, you might be right on that. He, you know, that would have sold the trip. Oh my God. Have you ever had a breakfast, pizza, sir? Well, come on and bring your super down and walk on it. Well, I can't over the case. He ordered a Casey's breakfast pizza last weekend because Angel ordered hay. And when she does that, she has the boys come and, uh, it's like four kids here. We ordered breakfast pizza. It's like a routine. Oh, man. Still good. It was really good. Yeah. If you go down to Springfield, the one right off of, uh, Clear Lake Avenue, yeah, they just do one that's just peppers and eggs. It's green peppers. Really? Yeah. Never had that one. I saw that. They got to go with the breakfast sausage. Are you crazy? No, it's all good. Trust me. I saw that one day I was, I was, I saw in the little rotisserie and I was like, is that

1:09:51just green peppers chopped up? It was like peppers and eggs, dude. I'll go ahead and try that. A little chalula on that. Oh, awesome. Unbelievable. Yeah. I'm hungry. All right. Next article here, Trump threatens 50% tariffs on all cars and trucks from Canada amid trade fight. Yes. This is active going on right now. This is from David Shepardson and Daphne, Pesadakis. I think. Sure. I'm pretty sure I got that. This is Washington. This is from Reuters, President Donald Trump on Monday threatened to raise US tariffs on cars and trucks and automotive parts from Canada. 50% starting January 1st, 2027. Well, this is interesting because I kind of thought this was going to happen like October 1st, something like that. He's escalating a trade fight after negotiations collapsed last week. The trade deal on the table would have cut the top line tariff rate for Canadian cars and trucks and light duty from 25 to 15% and the tariffs on aluminum and steel from 50 to 25%. But the deal fell apart on Friday over a number of points of contention, including whether the US tariff relief would be applied to medium or heavy duty trucks.

1:10:54Stay up to date with the latest news and Reuters, well, blah. This escalation threatens to disrupt the world's most integrated auto supply chains and that is no lie. Canada, Mexico and the United States have been, we've been locked, arms locked since the 80s. Yeah. Anyway, US auto production is heavily reliant on Canadian made parts and vehicles. The higher tariffs could raise the cost for American automakers and consumers while deepening the trade standoff, there's already weighed into auto stocks, build in the USA and there are zero tariffs. Canada will be treated like a state no longer Trump wrote in social media posts on a social media post on trade in another ways. Also they're among the worst nations the world to deal with. They feel entitled yet they don't, we don't need Canada. They need us Trump said. Okay. That's Andy Arco. I will say this. Carney, dude, Carney's got more legs now because he's standing up to Trump. I don't even know who even knows Trudeau, that guy was a weeny, but Carney actually looks like a rock star because he's just basically standing up to the guy.

1:11:57Kind of pushing back. And he said this week, he's like, we don't respond to memes. If anyone gets serious, we'll talk to him and we're like, yeah, you know what? Good for them. That's one approach. How quiz, what Toyota vehicles are made in Canada? The RAF4 and the RX models for Lexus. Yep. Right on. Yep. And that's going to be tough because the RAF4 has struggled this year so much because of well, they waited, they want to make sure production, they want to make sure production stockpiles were built up for the release. And that car can not stay on the lot. It is insanity right now. Yeah. You know how RAF4 shows up. They're pre sold. People came and drive these things. They're just, yeah, they're sold months advance. But this is just going to make it worse. I have, you know, people we know that they're ordering cars today. And now with this chaos going on, nobody really knows what happened. Toyota to their discredit has no backup. You know, if you don't buy a RAF4 from Canada, they're not making them in the United States.

1:12:59Yeah, there's no order. So Toyota is going to have to eat that. And I think Honda is having the same problem. I think CRB may even be making it as well. CRBs and Civics both made in Alistair, Ontario. CRB having a record year this year because the Toyota has actually been behind on this production. So they're picking up the slack. Yeah. Oh, yeah. CRBs having a record year. They're actually the number one SUV in the United States. Right. Number of small SUVs. Interesting. Yeah. Cryosur Pacifica also made up their Jeep Compass and the Chevy Silverado. That's the other fun part. Boys and girls. If you think, oh, Chevy guy, American trucks. Yeah. If there's a two in your Venn number, it was made in Ontario. Yeah. Hey, no, no, no. And Rob Ford and Rob Ford, who that guy should eat, he should even be a trivia question when you go to Wednesday night trivia at some place. That guy's like the what the president of, uh, for back or something or whatever. Yeah. He looks like a stud too. I mean, these guys, I give him credit in some ways. We've been blow hard on these guys for two years.

1:14:00They tolerated us. At some point they got to do business too, right? I would, I would think so. And you know what? Have you ever been mad at a Canadian? They're the nicest. Everyone says Minnesota is like it's like Mormons. I've never met a Mormon. You've been mad at? No. No. No. I've, everyone always talks about how nice Minnesota and, uh, you know, people were Wisconsin. I've met some people up there that I'm like, hmm, okay. Uh, I've never, every Canadian I've met in my life. My aunt, uh, uncle, uh, cousins live up there. It is a beautiful country. Everyone there is nice and friendly. They make really good stuff. I mean, they put cheese and gravy on fries. They make whiskey. I mean, they like doing stuff outdoors. They're really, it's a wonderful country. I can't understand what we're doing with some of this stuff. But, you know what? That's why I'm not in politics. Yeah. We went, we crossed the border to the Susaint Marie earlier in the month and, uh, no problem. Just drove across. And they're like, what are you doing?

1:15:00Like I always spend the night over here and, uh, have dinner. Yeah. I was like, oh, I'm just going to hang out and I'll get. And so we hung out in Susaint Marie, not, not anything special at that time by Amien. It's probably just like peory in some ways. Sure. Uh, but, uh, had a great time then came back cross. I'm like, yeah, this is cool. We got this casual border between these two countries. And it's chill. It should be. Yeah. It just, it just kind of blows my mind that we're picking fights with these guys. I don't know. It's, I, that's a whole other girl. I can't wait for a day when we're drama free with the rest of the world. Yeah, we can just like, you know, do trade and be happy and eat poutine and catch up, uh, potato chips. Right. I had the best fish and chips. I swear to God, I, so we got to the hotel in Susaint Marie and Angela was just tired. Like, you want to go out and I looked up a couple places, yeah, place we go. She's like, I just tired. I'm like, all right. So I door dash or Uber E did something. And there was a fish and chips at a local pub. And you could get a door dash. And we got it and it came in the black containers, everything.

1:16:02Open up the lids. It was just the crunchiest big old crying. Giant like a fish. It just, and opened up to these big old pieces of white fish. And it's like, I'm like, I think there was two in each. And it was just too much food. I'm Angela like, she packed it in the cooler on the way home. And I'm like, I ate both of mine then. I dipped them in the sauce. Oh, my God. Nothing better than fresh. There was that fresh. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely fresh fish. All right. Speaking of places that have fish, California, coastal, there'd been some news out of California lately. They had become the first US state to set efficiency rules for all things. Replacement tires. We were talking about tires on the truck earlier. We talked about this a long, long time ago. Yeah. This is from the Guardian. They did a nice coverage of this. But their story is California has become the first state in the nation to mandate the replacement tires, be energy efficient. Or there's low rolling resistance tires. Used to see them on obviously a standard equipment on hybrid vehicles, electric vehicles. EVs. But a major auto industry regulation is set to block the sale of older tires and make vehicles

1:17:05on the road a little bit greener in California. State regulators there have said the new rules reduce emissions and help drivers fuel costs, which the rules that come at the truck administration starting to block and and fight some of these things to promote greener cars. They've already sparked a lot of backlash, particularly amongst the political right. One conservative news outlets calling policies a massive overreach. There's a lot to this article here, but I'll just kind of paraphrase. Let's see here. The California Energy Commission, the CEC, is really kind of the group that started to push for this phase. It's a multi-phase approach. First phase of these regulations are set to start in 2029 and they actually dictate that replacement tires be at least as energy efficient as the tires sold on new vehicles. It's kind of like some of the other emissions control stuff that they've got out there. You can't go backwards. It has to at least be on par with some of the new stuff.

1:18:05The tires you bought for your Ford truck or your Chevy truck. Probably not qualified. Probably not. Probably not. Some of the coverage that's come out of this have been from actually twofold. Then the political right and conservative groups are like, this is an overreach. This is a big government mandate, blah, blah, blah. There's hands off my replacement tires. The other aspect, and this is what I think is a little more important to highlight. Much like a lot of other aspects for emissions. Your car fails emissions. You got to spend X amount of money at a state garage or get all this stuff to pass. Then maybe if it doesn't pass, you get a waiver. You still have to spend all this money and whatever. Just to have a car to go to work or drive your family around. This is the same thing where people have said, hey, look, for low income people in California, you've got plenty of them. People still got to have a car. They got to go to a lower bigger burden for them. I'm like, yeah, so instead of just going to like your discount tire, your local tires

1:19:06plus and say, hey, I've got this 92 Camry. I just need to get some four round tires and get to work, right? Oh, I'm sorry. You have to buy the bridgestone, acopia, RS. Those are 325 apiece. You're basically forcing people to spend a thousand bucks. In some cases more for these more expensive. Not all the time, but generally there are much more expensive tires, wouldn't you say? Yeah, but okay, but let's look at the flip side of this. What if everybody could just buy LingLang tires that are made in China with God knows what materials are built in them? And people do not think about this. When you drive down a road in Central Illinois and you see burnout spots, you see the black on the pavement. That's material from tires. Yeah, it's running off. And every time that rains, where is that going? We talk about pesticides and herbicide stuff like that, but an article that you and I talked about, Eons, I'm talking like eight years ago, we talked about how they had done research

1:20:07and they found like the rubber from tires in salmon guts in northern California. And they're like, wow, we didn't really thought about that because you don't see it. People, you know, out of sight out of mind, right? So, so I understand where this is coming from. There's an environmental impact. There is. And I also understand that this is not necessarily that because this is more about fuel efficiency in some ways, but we can't let people just buy, I mean, what if you could buy tires that lasted 20,000 miles for $50 a tire? People would do it. They would literally buy the cheapest tire possible and you could literally probably watch chunks fly off on the road. $50 tire, who cares, right? Yeah. But it's bad for the environment. It's bad for everybody. So, at some point, you have to have a standard. And I think I understand where California is coming from. California has always been ahead of all these things. Everybody hates it, but California's environmental stuff. Yeah. California in Los Angeles, when I was a kid, was like the worst place in the world. You want to see Smog, California, was until the 90s, it was Houston. Right.

1:21:08But I was a kid. Los Angeles was just like, you want to see what pollution looks like? Here's a picture of Los Angeles. So, they've started this. They always started. They always ahead of all of it. So I hate it. I hate that when people, anything that's regressive, if somebody makes $50,000 a year, this affects them more than somebody makes $100,000 a year. But unfortunately, that's just kind of the cost of doing business on this. I don't know. There's no good way to handle that. Now, I mean, the numbers, actually, the estimates are saying, if everybody enforces this and kind of falls into play, it will actually save drivers a billion dollars per year in gas and electricity costs, which means low-rolling resistance. There's not as much drag on the vehicle. But they're right. Sucks, Darrell. They have so much better ride of those softer tires. That is true. It also will reduce, basically, carbon dioxide emissions in California by two million metric tons per year, which is roughly equivalent to taking 400,000 gasoline cars off of the

1:22:10road. That's a lot. That's a lot. So to your point, the environmental impact is huge. There's an economic impact. And of course, the government overreach blah, blah, blah. But lots of things. There are no simple answers. But this, and it also comes down to making technology more accessible, the more people buy the higher-rolling resistance tires, the cheaper they'll become. One would hope. Yeah, maybe Ling Long makes them. Yeah. I do believe Ling Long is an actual brand, so I am slandering. It is. No, it's 100%. There's a lot of brands out there that maybe there's money in that. Maybe they'll start bringing those to market. Maybe. I guess we'll see. Hey, there's always opportunists, right? Yeah, I guess. Leno's law passes a California legislature. We talked about this a while back. This is source, SEMA. All right. Leno's law, Senate Bill 1392, which I guess is California probably, is an important touch point in the fight to preserve California's rich and automotive heritage.

1:23:11It was passed by the California legislator with a historic bipartisan 49-4 vote. The bill was sponsored by noted car enthusiast and namesake Jay Leno, which I will mention today. A picture from a patron member, Don, was that Jay Leno's garage this week? Right on. A friend of his wanted a charity golf outing, and it was part of their dealings. Got picture with Jay Leno. Pretty cool. Can't take pictures, apparently, in the garage. I'm going to get a picture with Jay. I'll share the picture later. Anyway, and SEMA. Now it heads to Gavin Newsom for consideration. And here is what Leno's law is. It seeks to provide a narrow, phased-in, collector-only pathway to smog-check exemptions for qualifying collector vehicles manufactured between 1976 and 1985. 1985. What about the 90s? You freak. Anyway, the exemption, that's not in the script here. The exemption would be phased over several years and would apply only to vehicles that meet specific collector use requirements like those extended antique plates that we drive

1:24:16here in Illinois. Leno's law was authored by Senator David Cortese and Senator Shannon Grove as a principal co-author. Its passage to the boat chambers of California Legislator represent the most significant progress in more than 20 years to deliver collector vehicle smog-check reform on behalf of the California car enthusiasts and automotive restores and anyone whom the vehicles represented a cultural or family-touched zone. Importantly, support for Leno's law is transcended party lines, uniting Democrats and Republicans, maybe even some libertarians too. And low-rider groups and car clubs and collectors and preferred preservationists and podcasters and automotive businesses and enthusiasts all that. That's everybody. Everybody is joined together. They're all locked arm all for Jay Leno's law. I think it's pretty great. So you added this right here, this red text here, this is something I added this part. Yeah, I did. Because here in the Illinois, I mean, we're spoiled. Dude, seriously, right? We are. Outside of the Collar counties of St. Louis and Chicago, we don't have emissions testing. You can, and it's kind of gross because you can just, I have trucks sometimes in the

1:25:21interstate just blowing black smoke all over. I'm like, yeah, they should get pulled over and somebody should say you got to fix that. If you're garbage cans sitting in front of your house, they're going to find you. If you're driving down the road central in Illinois and you're blowing diesel fumes all over, nobody's saying it'll work. You cut the converters off your car? Cool. I say that I owned a car, a catless, catless car for 16 years. And I have a little shame about it, but not enough to do, you know, I sleep at night. But California is a little different. California sticks it to folks current state. If you have a 1976 or newer vehicle, you still have to get them, um, smog checked. So in other words, if you've got an 83 Corvette, I'm sorry, an 83, uh, not 84 Corvette. 95 Celica. Yeah. And, and you're only driving it as a pleasure vehicle collector plates. You're only taking it to cars and coffee and maybe an ice cream run. You're going to have to get that smogged. And that, that's kind of a pain because you're really not putting that many miles on it.

1:26:25You're not polluting that much. And realistically, as cars like that age, they're not going to be running as efficient. Even as close to what they were when they were new. So again, it's one of those where you're kind of starting to punish, well, I'm sorry, you're 1977, Valare, I didn't pass emissions. You're going to have to, you know, get a new catalytic converter and go put rings in it and do all. It's like, that's just a lot. Yeah. Um, this did make a pass. A previous attempt, I think, like last year, and it got shot down or died in committee or something. So it got a lot of negative press and a lot of people, apparently on both sides of the aisle said, what the hell are we doing here? And with Jay Leno's name behind it and seem as name behind it, those are pretty heavy hitters. Yeah, for sure. It looks like it has a fight and chance here. So that's great. That's great. All right. Good stuff there. Now, what is this thing here? Is this your article this, uh, the 2028 Dodge GLH? Oh, yeah. So what is this looks hideous? It does look hideous. Um, Google that folks at home, uh, it's, it's a podcast. You can't see this, but, uh, just Google 2028 Dodge GLH for like, goes like hell.

1:27:30Uh, yes, is that what it stands for? Yeah. So the old Dodge. Oh my god. The, um, the GLH. That's what it's, it's a, it's a nod to the old, like Shelby Omni's turbo things, which nobody knows. It's a next generation horned essentially. It's terrible. Yeah. So, uh, I found this on car and driver just the other day and I'm like, this looks awful. What the hell are we doing? Dodge is apparently, uh, bringing back a hot hatchback a lot of the Omni, uh, GLH, which for those who don't remember, it was basically an account box that somebody put a turbo motor in and it went and zoomed, zoomed real fast. But that's from the 80s. This formula may or may not work today. Uh, Dodge is, you remember the horned SUV? The one they're still discounting and trying to get off lots because it didn't sell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dodge is doubling down apparently on performance with a new lineup of SRT-badged vehicles. Again, another old name from the past they drug out, which basically meant, you know, put a turbo or put a big motor in it.

1:28:31Which is cool. I'm, I'm a fan of that. They had a copper head kind of a concept car, what they call a halo car. Um, this thing is apparently going to be a small hot hatch for door. Uh, it's going to arrive in the next couple of years and deliver, quote, driving fun at a more affordable price. Um, it's effectively, like you said, a half baked horned SUV. Now the hornet, I'll be honest. I thought it looked good. I did too. And actually the more I look at this, okay. So now, um, so my problem is like the cheap Liberty and that whatever that other SUV that the Liberty shared platform with Dodge Nitro, the Nitro. And so I instantly thought this was like nitro size, but no, I think this is more like a Corolla hatchback, maybe, I think maybe it's still bigger because it can't go to the front. It does. But yeah, now I'm thinking, all right, it's got a little white body stance. Mm-hmm. This could be a cool car. Um, I, is this sticker? Uh, it didn't mean to interrupt you, but what's the sticker price? It's not listed anywhere on this thing.

1:29:31No, so that's still very early. Um, and this is, I think just like either renderings, I don't think it's like spy photos of like a test mule on the road or anything yet. But, um, and, and details on, in terms of the motor drivetrain, they don't really know. It's supposedly like a lot of the other platforms going to be scalable so they can do either EV, uh, or they can do like a hybrid setup or just straight up, uh, ice motor. But it's going to be on what they're, they're called the STLA one platform or Stellantis. LA, I don't know, they're going to Los Angeles. Maybe, uh, it's going to also fit something called the Chrysler Airflow, which is another name from the past. That's an SUV. Um, and probably something else from across the pond. I think the Hornet shared a platform with an alpha Romeo, and I can't remember the name. Yes. I'm blanking. You're right. Uh, cool little turbo hybrid. And I think that made close to 300 horse. That's what they're thinking is going to come. Well, think about this. I mean, I look at the Jeep store down the road from us. They're sitting on a mountain of gladiators. Uh, the Chevy store down the road is just sitting on a pile of silver.

1:30:33Rottos, um, and, and that Ford kept some, some cars in their lineup. They have a few cars. And I think right now, I mean, gas and Illinois is, oh my God. I filled up my gas cans and my diesel can for my tractors, my mowers. I spent $100 last weekend. Yeah. You know, and I just filled the tundra up this weekend. I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. It's insanity. So I, those manufacturers that, you know, eight or 10 years ago decided we don't need sedans. We're not going to do this in Honda and Toyota and Nissan held on to their stands. Subaru killing it, you know, with their little SUVs like that. I agree. Yeah. Every, every domestic manufacturer literally killed themselves by investing in trucks, which are more profitable. There's no doubt the suburban makes GM a ton of money. But there's no entry vehicles in that lot. None. If, you know, if you're a young couple, you want to start a car and you want to start a family, you got a car like a Corolla or something like that.

1:31:34What are you going to do if you're a GM fan? You're going to go somewhere else. Yeah. The funny part about this thing too, 300 horsepower. So, so Christ, there's actually starting to double down again on the, you know, Hey, we're red blooded. We're going to put something with just a gas burn and dinosaur juice sip and machine up there. Okay. By the way, get some steak, chick fries with it too. Yeah. The fun part about this is it's, Stellantis is obviously a bigger player in the global scene. North America just happens to be where, you know, the Jeep brand and, and Chrysler brand and stuff were from. It's nice. They're still building small cars, other places. That's true. And I think that's the flexibility that they do have is that like, hey, we'll put a, you know, it'll be an EV of what we sell it for the rest of the world. But for you guys, we'll go ahead and put this 300 horsepower. What they think is going to power this thing is about 300 horsepower charged, what they call a hurricane for, which is what's, I guess, powering the grand Cherokee, which I wasn't familiar with. I don't know. I think to your point, cars, especially from that, from the price point,

1:32:35perspective, I think are going to start making a little bit of a comeback. And then sport like hot hatches like this. I think are going to start making a comeback. I think younger people are not interested in having like you said, a $70,000 SUV or pickup truck. It's just not happening. We had a record camera month last month, like ever. Really? Yeah. We don't sell it make cameras. And it's just there's nothing else to choose from. No. Yeah. It's in a quarter of camera in Ultima. The last couple of guys I know, there's friends of, you know, car club people that are always buying new stuff. They've all bought cars. They're buying crowds. They bought a Toyota crown. Yeah. They're beautiful cars. Yeah. One of them got a sedan. One got a, the, the, the signal. Yeah. Like, had I known I could have got a signal for the same price as Angela's plug in Prius. I probably got a signal. Yeah. They're nice looking. And sure, we'll see this. Okay. So this local article you put on here is so awesome because I think Joe Deakin or somebody like that from WGLT. Actually, I saw this on Instagram earlier. I was like, oh, I got to share this article.

1:33:36Then I come back to the dock and I see the Darrell Scott live local late breaking. I'll do throw on this in here. And it's from WGLT or local PBS station. So Ryan denim did this one. It's good. He's on either on TikTok. They're, they're actually working on the socials. Yeah. Yeah. It was interesting. His, some of the vervege used by like that because it was just honest reporting. So it was pretty great. Local news here, the $400 million dispute. Why Rivian thinks its normal properties are overvalued and overtaxed. I don't know if you know this or not, folks, but if I throw a stone 20 miles from my house, it's a lot of throwing. But I could actually hit the Rivian factory. That's where the R2s are built. The R1s and the T1s, whatever. All these, I don't know. The Rivian models are all built in Bloomington, normally the one in the way. How's that? Anyway, imagine you're a homeowner who just spent millions of dollars turning your house into a mansion with over 10 additions and tons of amenities inside. That's kind of like me, Darrell. Well, and when it's time to figure out what your new property tax will be on your estate, you argue to the government that your mansion is actually worth less than it was before. And therefore, your tax should go down.

1:34:36Because there's really no one else would ever buy it. That is a great argument. I like that. That probably doesn't fly. That's counterintuitive argument is essentially the electric automaker Rivians claim as it fights its lower property tax bill on seven properties in normal Illinois, including a 4.5 million square foot plant. You have successful local taxing bodies like unit five schools and a town of normal could lose millions of dollars in tax revenue. They have to try and make up that money from the rest of us. That's kind of cryptic. Maybe or maybe they could just cut some programs. Anyway, government assessors, the Caribbean properties worth five hundred and twenty seven million dollars. Now to be fair, how much grant money did the state of Illinois give Rivian to get all that? Well, they kind of talk about that later. This is a super lengthy article. Okay. That's okay. I don't read the Rivian zone of prazer argues it's only worth 115 million dollars. Well, well, well, governor assessor says five twenty seven Rivians zone of prazer says one fifteen. Well, that's only four hundred million dollars, folks.

1:35:37After losing initial appeal with McLean County's Board of Review, Rivian is taking the case of the state's property tax appeals board. Rivian is proud to call a normal home. We remain deeply committed to the community. And we we'd like being a good corporate neighbor. Rivian said in the statement like any taxpayer, Rivian has the right to ask that our property be assessed fairly and accurately. Rivian size is unique. Its property tax bill is 13.8 million, about 8.4 million goes to unit five schools. And the rest is split between McLean County government, the town of normal and other taxing bodies unit five leaders say that the 6.58 million is at risk annually with the Rivian's appeal and the impact for heartland community college will be eight hundred thousand dollars a year. It's a lot. It is a little pie chart here too. Yeah. Pie. Rivian's argument is for is laid out in a hundred and eighteen page appraisals submitted by the states appeal board was obtained by WGLT. There were records request. Its central argument is that the plants market value would a buyer would actually pay

1:36:38for it's much lower than what you might expect because there are fewer buyers for a massive auto manufacturing plant. And what's next for now, there remains to be a golf between Rivian's proposed value, 115 million in the governments, 527 million in part do the different methodologies used for the perspective of appraisers. There is no hearing set for the whatever the PTAB and there's not expected to be spring of 2020 seven till the earliest. I get both sides of this. But I do. You remember that plant set empty for the longest time. Time is our well buyers said it's too big. We don't we don't we can't use this. It's way too big for high slur in Mitsubishi left everything in there. I remember when Rivian bought it. Yeah. All the assembly lines were there. The robots were still there. They had a liquidator come and sell it off because they couldn't sell the property. Like we'll sell all the equipment in it. Yeah. And they started doing that. And then finally towards the end, Rivians like, I guess we'll take it. But to their point, they said this is, you know, the market value is not we could

1:37:42think it is because it's a very limited market. Now having said that, they've added on. I didn't know they had seven properties in total, I guess, but they've they've invested a lot in that facility. So all they're doing in my mind is looking at ways, you know, kind of like, you ever appeal your tax bill? No, I haven't either. It's a lot of work. But I used to when I worked at the university, I had a coworker who every time every couple of years, I'd be like, I'm hiring an attorney and I'm contesting this. And they they could they won every time. And I'm like, really? Don't you just want to pay your taxes? You know, this part of me is like all this time, effort and money and realistically, it was always enough to not only just pay for the attorneys, but also save the money over time. So it was worth it. Yeah. But, you know, this is them doing that same thing. So they have the right to contest it and do all of it. I do wonder though, when they talk about the hit to the local schools and things like that, that's huge.

1:38:42It is huge. And Rivians did get as part of the deal to come to town. Did they get a whole bunch of tax breaks? So that's why I just looked up right now. Okay. And so I did a Google Google search while we're sitting there. So we talked about its property tax bill right now is 13.8 million. And 8.4 goes to unit five schools. So Rivians tax incentives, according to Google, and this is from illinois.gov. It had $634 million in tax benefits tied to a job creation and capital investment. Had deal closing funds of $75 million in direct funding from the state. And it had prior credits. And earlier 2017, 2017, the state agreed to 49.5 million edge tax credits. It would never utilize because Rivian had no corporate income tax liability at the time. Local tax is Rivian avoided about $3 million in property taxes during its first five years. And the normal via the initial tax abatement agreement in a sense expired.

1:39:43And recently has sought to lower its property tax. But that's the article. We have current state. Okay. They have saved a ton of money over the years. I mean, we're talking $75 million. When they needed it, 49.5. While they were starting out, they did. I get that. I get that. But they've been given everything on a silver platter. And and there were countless stories about how Rivian like skips out once they use. They're like locusts, right? You know, once once they take everything they get they move on to a new location. And Atlanta, Georgia, I'm sure is just clamoring to get them, right? Yeah. I don't know. We'll see we'll see how this all plays out. It's going to play out in court. So somebody's getting rich. It's probably attorneys. But I'm sure the school's already spent the money too. So that's how that goes. Maybe interesting. Interesting. Like a good neighbor. Sweet farm is there. Anyway, speaking of no moment of mosque. Thank God for that. Okay. So does that bring us to everybody's favorite segment of the show?

1:40:44Is it everybody's segment? I think so. That be is it is it the orange one? There we go. It's a yellow. It's green. Whatever color that is. Virtually you and I are always searching for something. You know, I wasn't even looking this week. No, but Facebook knew I was looking. The algorithm knows. Started serving up things. You're like, oh, it's a. Oh, you were looking for a yard statue. But well, how about this car over here? Yeah. Okay. You know, I'm a sucker for a good car. I mean, I did need a good yard sculpture. But you know what? Maybe. Maybe I need a try and convertible. I don't know. It just knows. I think it watched it reads cars the week. It knows my algorithm has been corrupted by all the data put online. There's flock cameras reading our show show notes. That's what that's what's happening next. Oh, bro. Anyway, cars the week is where Darryl and I we sit down. Well, we don't do it. I mean, we do what we normally do. We literally look at the internet. We dream and we scheme of cars. And this one here, I'm telling you Darryl. This one, I think there's a chance.

1:41:45I could have brought this to Mrs. Stahl just like I do every week. Yeah. And hold the laptop up. Honey, I know you're watching the Netflix show right now. But you could hit pause because I want to show you this. It's a great deal. I don't think this will ever come around again. And inevitably what she will say is, we'll never use that car. We got three other cars in the garage. Don't you want to go to Italy next year? OK, fine. Whatever. Whatever. I don't want a car anyway. I don't even know why I showed you turn just hit the pause button. Anyway, that's coming. Cars are the reaching holes. That's that's sad. Yeah, it is. It is. But hey, we can still pretend for now tonight. We can. Well, you know what I did this week, Darryl. I went, you know, I drove around like Michigan last week. And I thought it'd be kind of cool if we would just have done it in the camper and spend $180 a night everywhere, right? Yeah. Kind of neat. Now your wife has a certain perception of what the smell of all campers is. And I give her that when I looked at this 2017 winnebago, Travato, pro master.

1:42:48I thought, you know, this might smell inside. I took a little bit of pictures. I thought there's nothing to good Ozone machine. A little, you know, a couple of black ice air freshers. Yeah, right? With little tree hanging tree air freshers. Yeah. The problem I had with this listing. And you're asking $57,000 to this guy. I don't really know what much of it. It's got 60,000 miles. I doubt it has 60,000 on the nose. It's a 2017. It's Travato pro master. It just says loaded. New tires carrying rack on the back. And that's it. This listing sucks. It's the extent of the whole. Exactly. Exactly. It's up in Malin, Illinois. Not too far away. So I could make the drive. It does look like it's a long body. So there's plenty of room inside there. So what I did, Darryl, I did what any consumer does these days. I went to Google and I typed in what are the kind of problems I'm looking for for Travato master. Promester, I'm sorry. And Google came up with a whole bunch of stuff. It said suspension and ride. They can feel bouncy and heavy and prone to swaying.

1:43:50Handling and power. It says in some of the forums, people criticize the pro master setup for light steering and inadequate braking and a noisy engine that could feel underpowered. Fibrations. It's got those owners report front end alignments. Wheel balancing issues or warn CV joints. And stock navigation. The factory dash radio and GPS system are widely considered clunky, outdated and unfriendly. But wait, there's more. There is more. The house and interior build issues, Darryl. The cabinet latches and hardware. Well, those frequently fail or pop-up and while driving due to vibration. Rattling and losing? Yeah, the trim pieces are known to be loose. Plumbing and fixtures? Yeah, they break or jam with regular use. In the step-up, slide-out step, the motorized electric entry is prone to electrical module failure. Which is a project for the 2000 step module amp. Arning, yeah, it's got problems too. Generator and electrical quirks. Yep, split warranties. Yeah, I mean, you got a problem with the win-a-bag versus the RAM. There's going to be a problem there. Listen, folks, it's got 60,000 miles.

1:44:51It's a thing's got a couple of years old. Not worried about warranty. No. Okay? So, I said, why should I buy this, Google? AI overview said, you should buy the 2017 Winnebago Travato. If you want to compact, fuel-efficient, class B camper van that balances everyday drive ability with full RV conveniences. Would you drive this every day? No. But I would love just be able to drive park sleep, drive park sleep, right? Yeah. Yeah, I see the appeal that way. God, the front of these are just their head. They are hideous. Absolutely. Absolutely revolting. But there was a couple of times when we stopped. We went to white fish point. We were up and singing the record that had been Fitzgerald's little Gordon life over there. Yeah, and I'm like, we could just stay on this beach or park here tonight. Yeah. And just camping that thing, right? Absolutely. And would if we were going to hotel room, I mean, $57,000, it's got 59,000 miles. God knows, it's 10 years old.

1:45:52Everything's going to break. I'm probably going to tear apart the toilet, have to drain something out or fix a pump here. Oh, you know, I understand. I understand all that stuff. That stuff I can handle, just like going back to housework here. No problem. I ripped out the toilet and my camper and had to reseal everything. But if the engine goes bad on this, I don't know anything about transmissions on these Ram Pro Masters, the engine or the garbage, you know, I don't want to get involved with a Chrysler product. Especially one that you can't really service. Because the end, you're sitting on the motor. Exactly. That's the other product. Nobody wants to touch this thing. You imagine, here's the other thing. Okay, I'm not trying to steer you away from this fine vehicle. Because I do see people. I was going to buy it, so don't talk me down. All right. Just be curious, what shops would work on such a thing? You know what I mean? Well, I would force my technicians, you know, at gunpoint. Probably do some of it. You will put this on the lift. You will change the oil and the great water. Yeah. No. Okay, so, what do you think this thing actually listed for new?

1:46:55Oh, with the long body and the tall roof. Yeah, 10 years ago. Probably 130, 140 grand. And now, I think right now, this vehicle will be 150,000. Yeah, if you were to buy a brand new one. Maybe 160. Yeah. Let's see here. I'm seeing the original MSRP. Yeah, 97, 699. It really, that seems low. This is the base. Okay, because this is a long body. They do make a shorter one that that space behind the slider door is basically gone. You've done a lot of research. I have, because they had a winnow bago when it had a pop up roof. Not a tall angel, aren't that tall. So we could do like the lower, lower profile with a pop up roof with a short body. Those literally stick right at 99,000. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Brand new. Here's, okay. So you get this, hypothetically, of course. And you guys plan your first road trip. Where would you go? Where would you take it? Well, now we're going to Kenosha for everything.

1:47:55So this is, this is another moot point in my life. You don't need this. Yeah. You know, you, you have RV at home, Eric. That's fine. Yeah. You've got that camper still, which I feel. Yeah, it's going to be for sale pretty soon. All right. Well, maybe that'll be on someone else's car the week. This is a good choice. It's, again, you always surprise me. It's either something super practical or something out of left field. Well, I have left field again. No, this is super bad because, because then I look at your picture. I'm like, no, that's kind of cool. No, this is left field practical is what it is. Because I don't know about that. You could daily, you could take that to a drive through it on Arby's, if you wanted to. Mine are yours. Yours. Yours might not every day. Would your stay idling? I don't know. No, mine wouldn't. It would die in the parking lot. It wouldn't make it. And then it would have to be towed home. Because as Eric makes a sensible choice, I went completely, for some reason, the Facebook marketplace algorithm has been serving me up. Eastern European Communist Block Country Cars. There was a Moskovic station wagon that showed up the other day. And I'm like, what's that?

1:48:57Oh, it's a Moskovic. And the Sarah goes, Moskovits, like from American tail, I'm like, no. And then we have to go down the whole rabbit hole. A whole new world. Yeah, just weird stuff. This is up in the, hold on, let's see where this is at. I forgot. Shaboykin Wisconsin. Coming home. Shaboykin. It's close, yeah. A 1980 Lada 2103. And if you're wondering what that is, totally. It's any Russian vehicle you've seen in those Russian dash cam videos or like in the born. But it's not black. No, it's not. It's Russian car, period. That's what it is. When you think Russian car, that's what this is. I like to say that it's Russian car. It is Russian car. Yeah. Shaboykin. One of my favorite clips is, I think it's a last born movie. Whatever the born movie where he steals the taxi cab and it gets into that big lung police chase in like a tunnel. Yeah. That's the second one. And it's like a shootout and it crashes it and, you know, goes through hell.

1:49:59That's a lot of, that's a nice little lot of sedan. So this one, it looks like a 60s era fiat. And that's because it was, they got the stampings, the dies and all that and they kind of made it their own, but they really didn't retool much of anything else. It's a little red Ford or sedan with a blood red, probably pleather. Blood red. The pleather interior. Four speed. Like Corella Deville edition. Yeah. It's kind of an interesting little car. And it's a 1980, but again, it looks like it's from like 1964 or something. And the listing lists it as a lot of, but it actually says, here's the full listing. The Vaz 203 Zuhuli is a Deluxe Compact Saloon, popularly nicknamed the Troika Good Running Car with some new parts. Come get your dream car. Again, your listing sucks. This listing sucks. Yeah, yeah. Cause I'm like, lot of with some new parts. The hell, what are we talking about here? And the asking price for this is $11,999. So what's 15?

1:50:59Dude, it's super clean inside. It's like insanely clean inside. When slide, have you ever seen a Russian car here, state sign? I not that I would know. Yeah, I mean, they just, they don't happen. So somebody paid money, somebody imported it for a period of time, Russian cars actually were imported in sold, a lot of us were sold new in Canada. It's kind of a weird fun fact. It was only for a few years and then they're like, yeah, forget it. So this might have been in that window in the 70s and early 80s when they, somebody could actually go in and buy a brand new Russian car in Canada. But I saw this and I'm, as I know, as an automaker, since for Volga, auto, Zatster or something, they, they were a Russian car maker. But I'm like, well, we know him as a lot of what the hell is. And what is a Zahooly? Yeah. Yeah, I'm loving all these definitions. It's got a so bizarre. So it's a designation of cars based on the Fiat 124 manufactured in Russia and the Soviet Union by Otto Vaz, formerly Vaz, during 1970 to 2012.

1:52:01So they actually built these things for such a long run and again, didn't really change anything. Some other places, I guess other countries, they were still being built. For the majority of the export markets though, outside of Russia, they were called Ladas. So I don't know why. It's kind of like, you ever meet somebody that's got three nicknames, you know, hey, my name's Chris, but you can call me Marty. Where did that come from? Yeah, my folks call me Dick. Yeah. I don't, what is your name? And then Treka, he's like, also known as a Treka. What's a Treka? It's apparently, it's like a Russian sleigh built, pulled by a team of three horses, abreast. So again, this has like three nicknames. I don't know what it is. It's a weird little car. I'm going to call it a lot of, I think it'd be fun. I have no qualms about spending this kind of money on something as quirky and no, I think 11 is actually a value. I don't think you could buy if this were like an Aselec from 1978. Yeah. And were that clean inside? Somebody would be asking 20 grand for this thing. Yeah, absolutely. And the reason these things are so stout, those because they're really derived from a fiat.

1:53:05So a papi little motor, great handling. Yeah. I think this thing would be a fun thing to run around 100%. Now, to your point with Matt Damon, like jumping in this car and giving it the beans, there's no beans to give in this. No, you're, it would be hilarious to like getting this car. They're out in first gear and smash the accelerator and watch it go nowhere. Right. Just all 84 horsepower. And just like, yeah, wow, my tractor goes faster than that thing, right? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Pretty much. So, you know, if you ever want something that's going to stand out at a cruise night or a car's a coffee or just something that you think it would, I think it would, I think it's another one that would separate the wheat from the chaff. You know, 40% of people just like, well, I'm not sure. I don't know what that is. They just walk right by it. Yeah. It's like it doesn't exist. And I think there's 60% of people would be like, what the hell is this? And come up and look. And then there's a real small sub subsection of people like, this is a lot of 20103 and they would completely geek out and you could not get rid of them all day.

1:54:06So you do run that risk, but I think that's, there has to be less than 100 of these in North America. I love how the bucket seats. Mm-hmm. I mean, I love it. Cool car. Yeah, it is. I mean, I found something like the road trip. I've been on two road trips here in the last month and on the road again, on the road again. I think I'm going to skip the road trip in October, which sucks. When Southern cruiser crawl. October. Okay. You're not skipping that. No, I'm going to drive to that. I'm going to fly to California. I wanted to drive to California, but I got Aiden doing this house thing and I'm like, yeah, I can't do everything, man. Skip it. It's fine. I want to do everything. It's fine. You know, Darryl, in great selection. And before I wrap up this show, you know, we had the pre-show. And in the pre-show, we had the Wastemounted Fan. Yeah. And nobody on the regular show knows about the Wastemount Fan. And I just want to tell everybody, you need to listen to the pre-show because we found a pretty great item. And I really want you to do right now. Just kind of fire this thing up and let me know if you could put it in your pants and

1:55:09pull your shirt. Wow. Does that sound weird? It does sound weird without any background or context. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I'll put this on our Facebook page. I'll put it in. You know what? When I get it mounted at home. It's called Wastemounted. You're going to mount it on your waist. You're going to put it in your car. Yeah. I could model it. Now, to be fair, Darryl came to the pre-show two episodes ago and said, my feed is just filled up with pictures and videos of portable airconditions. You getting these? And I'm like, no. I don't know what side of the internet you're on, Darryl. So what we did on the pre-show is we picked up one of these airconditioners and we spent a little time with it. So if you get a chance, you want to have some fun. Tune in the pre-show this month here and check it out. And then maybe Darryl, I did post a picture on Facebook page of it. I was holding it. But it wasn't much fun for me to run this thing on my new Land Cruiser. It was really hoping that it would be sitting on the visor and bork and you'd be like, oh, this is so refreshing. I'll try it this weekend because it's supposed to be 90 something for cars and coffee.

1:56:10So we go to cars and coffee. You're going to drive the Chevy truck. Yeah. I'll put that on. That'd be dazzled, little purple air conditioner on the visor. Yeah. It's going to cool the whole cap or you belt blowing up your shirt. That's probably more like it. And then next time I'll tell you my newest obsession, which is foam cannon ads and I actually bought another second foam cannon. Oh my gosh. I'll talk about that. All right. Next episode. All right. Well, thank you everybody for tuning to episode 113 of Throne Runches Podcast. We hope you had as much fun as we did and we'll see you at cars and coffee. But this show will not be out by then. God bless you. See you at cars and coffee and then we'll talk to you after that. Have a great one. See you in episode 114. Yeah. Oh. And where's the out music? Jeez. Dude. Put it in post. First day. Never done this before. I think we're going to go to the last one. I think. There's somebody best of you. That's a cheese ball. So. Oh my gosh. Oh yeah. Now I make sure I actually added it out towards the very end.

1:57:11Like if you could get in something with the very little. Yeah. That was fun. Yes. That's the deal. So. So. Yeah. So. Yeah. So. Yeah. So. Yeah. So. Yeah. So. Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:59:40Yeah.