EP283: Are Church Buildings Anti-New Testament?

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1:00I'm your host, Dr. Kenny Williamson. It's good to be here. It's good to be back. Another podcast. Today's podcast, or the subject of today's podcast, let's say, is going to be an email that I received from a listener. And I guess I'll give the first name. I guess it doesn't really matter. He didn't say I couldn't, so I will. And I'm going to read you the email and, you know, briefly discuss it. Before I do that, in case you haven't figured this out or didn't know, I've been posting some of Kent Hovids, this right here, Creation Seminar Series, which talks all about the Earth and everything. A lot of good stuff in here. A few things I disagree with on him when it comes to the farm moment, and it comes to Jacob's trouble. We have a few disagreements, but most of the stuff he says is pretty right on.

2:01Very interesting. So I've posted some on here, and they've stayed, but I posted it on YouTube, and they immediately took it down and gave me a warning and banned me from posting, because I've went against community policies by spreading misinformation. So the fact that this thing mentioned the farm moment and mentioned some dinosaurs, I'm spreading misinformation according to them, so they immediately took it down and immediately banned me. So you can't mention anything like that. Can you? Who cares? I mean, you know, whatever. That's what they are. They're devils over there. Most of them are devils. And the devil doesn't want the truth getting out there. And, you know, if the stuff I was saying was absurd and ridiculous, and I was a cook, they wouldn't care what I said.

3:01Would they? But you get the King James Bible involved and you start talking truths. Hey, hey. They want you out of here. You can't tell the truth. Don't even think about it. So having said that, I have a Patreon page, and I have been uploading all of these videos with permission to that Patreon page, and they're all free to watch. So check out McCills Deck Chronicles on Patreon. You don't have to sign up. You don't have to pay for them. You can if you want. You can sign up. You have to sign up, but it's free to sign up. But you can also donate if you want to, but you don't have to. It's free. There are some things on there that aren't free, but these are free. So, anyway, so let's get on to my email here. So this email is from a God in Devon, and he says, good morning. I hope this message finds you well. I recently watched your video on why people hate the Apostle Paul.

4:01That was an email, by the way, to people asking, why does everybody hate Apostle Paul? I said, during the video, I noticed your comments regarding the local church and the idea that church buildings themselves are not biblical. Okay. This is something I've personally wrestled with and thought about as well, and I've had the similar convictions, however, I often receive strong pushback when I express this view. Well, of course. Of course you're going to get pushback. Church is a big money maker. Okay, and I realize that I don't yet have solid scripture reference to clearly support this position. Well, we'll get to that in a second. So I wanted to respectfully ask, what is your actual position on the local church? Should Christians attend local church? And if not, why not? Is there clear biblical support for this position?

5:02Well, maybe. One of the main objections I face when is when people close scripture about not neglecting the fellowship to the saints, and they argue that without attending a local church fellowship is impossible. Okay, have you encountered this objection before? So how do you biblical respond to it? And then he goes on to say, I suppose what I'm really asking is whether the position of rejecting church buildings and traditional local church structures is truly biblical, or whether it's more of a personal or practical preference rather than a doctrinal position. Well, it's not doctrinal. If this is something you'd would ever consider making a video about. Ta-da, here it is. I would generally appreciate hearing your thoughts, however, I completely understand if that would be too controversial. Do you know what you're talking to? That's all we do here is controversial. Right? So let's get to answer some questions here.

6:05Yes, I talked about the Apostle Paul, and we'll get into that a little bit more maybe. Okay, now, I often receive strong pushback when I express this view. I don't have any solid scripture references to clearly support the position of let's say not going to a church building. Well, here's why. There is nothing in the Bible that says not to go to church. Let's get that out right now. It doesn't tell you you can't go to church. But, you know, there's a lot of things you have to kind of read between the lines, too. Okay? So, for example, in the New Testament, it doesn't tell you not to go to a church building, but there were no church buildings. You see? It didn't have to tell you not to go to a church building

7:06because it didn't exist. The church is the body of Christ. If you're saved, you are the church. There's no building necessary. Now, so, there you go. Now, he says, people quote scripture about not neglecting the fellowship of the saints. They argue that without attending a local church, fellowship is impossible. Is it? I mean, here's the thing. Okay? I'm sure there are some good saints or fellow Christians at these church buildings. I'm sure there are. They're probably just like this guy here. They're looking for other saints. That's great. But you're also going to find lots of people who are in the church building who are not saints that need to be fellowshiped with. You're going to find a lot of people in there that are going just for show. You're going to find a lot of people in there simply for a tax write-off.

8:07You're going to find a lot of people going there because they think in their mind that that is church. And that when they attend this brick-and-mortar building, all of a sudden, that's where God is. And I'm going to go talk to God. Now, before I get there, I'm going to have a drink. And I don't mean, you know, soda pop. And I'll be good when I'm there and I'll dress up. But when I get home, we're going to turn that football game on, which is an idol. We're going to get that playing. We're going to give all of our attention to it instead of our family. We're going to drink our beer, and we're going to hoop and holler with the guys. And then we're going to do that the whole rest of the week. We're going to go to work. We're going to cuss like a sailor. We're going to look at other women, where we have the mind. We're going to tell dirty jokes. We're going to cuss. We're going to hoop. We're going to holler. But then on Sunday morning, we're going to get up.

9:08We're going to brush our teeth. Put on our Sunday best. And then we're going to go to a building that we call church. Because now we're in church all of a sudden. The reality of it is, you are in church 24 hours a day, seven days a week, if you're a saved Christian. You're being watched, you're being monitored, and you're going to be held accountable for what you're doing and saying. So if you decide to go home and lay on the couch and cuss you wife out and drink your beer and watch your ball games, you're doing that in church too. So, does that mean you can't go to a building? No, it doesn't mean that. If you like people up there and you want to go fellowship, have at it. The all new 2026 Toyota RAV4 is here. Building on everything drivers know and love about Toyota. With a redesigned look and modern tech that makes life behind the wheel easier than ever. The new RAV4 comes standard as a hybrid, providing smooth, efficient performance

10:08for both city streets and longer journeys. Enjoy the legendary reliability Toyota is known for. In the all new 2026 RAV4, learn and shop more at toyota.com Toyota. Let's go places. I noticed in lots of places I went and I've been to lots of churches, there isn't any fellowship going on. Now, hold on a second. If you call going to a church building and talking to another group of men, if you're a man, about the game, about the cars, you know, you're working on, about women, about running around and working. If you call that fellowship, well, you can do that anywhere. You don't have to go to a church building to do it. If you're a woman and you're going to a church building to fellowship with other Christians, you know, and your fellowship consists of

11:08talking about your hair and your nails and your bow talks and the Netflix that you're binge watching and, of course, you know, they're all filth. And, you know, doing all that, do you have to do that in a church building? Is that really fellowship? My definition, which I believe the biblical definition is, a fellowship is talking about something biblical or godly. Now, if you go to your church building and you meet up with Joe over here, and you and him are actually talking about God and saying, how have you been, you know, how is your prayer life? Are you doing okay? You know, do you need me to pray for you? How's your walk with Christ? How are you actually are talking about something godly? Then yes, that is fellowship. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm obviously, you need to do that. You know, can you only get that in a church building?

12:08Of course not. What you need to be doing in my opinion is fellowshiping with other Christians all the time during the week and talking about godly things, praying with them or whatever, because you are in church all the time. Okay? Now, I'm going to read you something here. If you've never heard of Peter Echman, you need to look him up. Dr. Peter Echman obviously is dead now, but he's written hundreds of books. The guy was an absolute genius. Okay. Now, he did have a church. He had a church building. He knew better, though, and he said so as much. So, obviously, I'm a dispensationalist, because there's different dispensations. There's different ages. We are currently in the church age, where you're saved by grace, faith and grace. Right? So, what I have here,

13:12you know, this is Peter Rukman's words, and he says, in this age, the church, the church age, in this age of the church, is the body of Christ. Okay, and we've got the verses to back it up. It's not Roman, so it's not Roman Catholics, and it never has men. It's not American, never has men. It's not Islam, and never has men, and never will be. It is a spiritual body, whose head is the high priest Christ. The head of the body is Jesus Christ. You, as a saved Christian, are part of the body of Christ. The body of Christ is the church. So, now, where does a building fit into any of that? The guys in the New Testament met at different places and fellowshiped,

14:12and they called it the church of, like, let's say, they called it the church of Thessalonica. It wasn't a building on a corner that said church. It was a group of people who met in that city, and that group of people were the only people that were saved. That group of people were referred to as the church. So, the church of Thessalonica was a group of people in that city. It was not a building on the corner, like, they want you to think. See, I don't have a problem with a church building, per se. What I have a problem with is you are taught that that is the church. You have to go there to talk to God. You have to go there to hear a preacher, which most are just hirelings. They don't care about you. They just care about the paycheck. Okay. They've got people so brainwashed,

15:12they think that's the church. It's not the church. You're the church. The group of people who are saved are the church. Now, can the church, the group of people who are the church, can they meet in a building every Sunday? Sure. Sure they can. Are they supposed to be fellowshiping about the church? I would say so. So, yes, you can meet. There's nothing wrong with the building. But it is not the church. You, if you're saved, are the church. You see what I mean? So, again, we look at some of this stuff here. This is what I'm really asking is whether a position of rejecting a church building and traditional local church structures is truly biblical or it's personal or practical. Well, I don't think there's anything wrong again with going to a church building.

16:12A building that they're calling a church. You personally need to know that you're the church. That's just a building. So, what they do is they take an auditorium and they call it a sanctuary. Okay, now I'm not saying that if three, two, or three, four or one people actually get in there and start praying or whatever that, you know, God is not listening. I mean, he can't listen to you anywhere because you're the church. So, you can pray in that building or you can pray in your car. You can pray in your closet. You can pray on the couch. God's listening because you are the church. You're part of his body. So, oh yeah, what I wanted to say here is, oh, I've got this other one where, again, Peter Ruckman wrote another one of his books here. He says, Christians forget that once you put up a building, you are anti-New Testament. Even though he himself did put up a building.

17:14There are no buildings in the New Testament. Once you do this, you are in the state area and you needn't pretend that you're not for you are. The reason he says that, state area, is because most, if not all, of your local churches, they're all tax exempt through the IRS. So, they have this 501, yeah, 501, C3, 501, C3, whatever it is, 501, C3, tax exempt. So, what they can do is they can take your money and you can file a little form at the end of the year, you know, that says, you gave and you get a tax deduction. The problem with that is, when you get in bed with the IRS and the state, they now control you. They own you. You're working for them now.

18:15See, because they say, oh, yeah, we'll give you this. We'll give you that. Here's the catch, though. You can't do this. You can't do that. You can't say this. You can't say that. You can't do anything political. You can't talk about the candidates. There's a lot of things you can and can't do. Now, whenever we had a, you know, pandemic hit here, while back, they came in and said, close. You're not allowed to be open. You'll do what we say or you'll lose your little certifications. And they're so aid up with their little certifications so they can get people in there that they shut down. Now, the bars were open and all that stuff, that's fine. You have to shut. You have to close your doors. And that's what they did. They have to do what the state says. So basically, they're in the state area. You see? Now, let me get my book back here. Another thing that he says, of course,

19:15so you got the state involved, right? They're calling the shots in the back end. So you're up there in the front, doing your thing, okay, as the church guys, right? But they're actually the ones to keep your little certification. You've got to actually do what they say. There's all kinds of rules and regulations involved in it that has nothing to do with the Bible. In fact, it's opposite. So even, even Ruckman here says in his book, he talks about all this stuff happen. He says this means that every state church in this age is satanic. That's what he says right here in this book right here. Yeah, you can read that for yourself. If you want to buy the book. He says every state church in this age is satanic.

20:15Well, why would you say that? Well, think about it. Let me tell you this real quick. They actually came out with a movie many years ago. It's a Tom Hanks movie. Of course, Tom Hanks is allegedly a pedophile among other things. Of course, he's a Hollywood a-lister, so that means he's a devil worshipper. Among lots and lots of other things that you probably can't even imagine. So it's his movie, one of his movies. I think it was called something the Omega Code Something. Anyway, the gist of the movie get this. They're all Catholics, right? And they're all going to these huge buildings and they have to go to their pastor. They have to go to their priest. They have to go to the father, which is all anti-biblical. The Bible does say, don't call no one on earth. Your father except your father in heaven.

21:16Now, it's not saying your dad. You can't say, hey, that's my father. It's talking about your father, your father in heaven. You only have one and that's in heaven. Nobody else is it. So what do you think the Catholic Church does? You call me father. So they go exactly opposite of the scripture because they're devils. They're satanic. I mean, go check out some videos of the pope with his upside down crosses and the red shoes they wear. And, you know, the hat they wear that looks like the fish head, which is dagon. Dagon, the fish god. One of the gods they worship. They're all pagan. They're all filth. They're all satanic. They're in these big fancy buildings, too. Oh, yeah. So, here comes Tom Hanks. And he's in the church. And he's looking at all this stuff. And there's these hidden manuscripts, you know, that nobody knows what they are. And it's on and on and on through this movie.

22:16And finally, at the end, y'all this bizarre stuff is happening and people are like looking like they're getting home on the cross. It's all kinds of bizarre stuff. At the end of it, finally, it's revealed what this secret is. And the secret is, you're the church. You don't have to go to a building after all. You're the church. And it's just like, what? That's a revelation. How could anybody have known? Oh, if you read your Bible, you didn't know. So, they play this off as if it's the most unknown secret thing that could have ever been. And the church doesn't want this to get out. See, the Roman Catholic church. So, every time somebody tries to tell the truth with these hidden manuscripts, they wind up dead. And finally, at the end, the manuscript comes out. And it says, you're the church.

23:18You don't need a building. You're the church. Wow! That's your revelation. I knew that the whole time, but I'm not a Catholic. I'm not a fool. See, the Catholic deal gets you into the building. Into the statues. You have to physically go to a building to worship. You have to physically go to a little room and tell your sins to some dude sitting in there who's probably a bigger sinner than you'll ever be. He's probably a pedophile. But you have to tell him your sins so you can get forgiven. Some dude. It's nuts. Okay, so now we have the other version of the church, which is not Catholic, but very similar. You know, this is the church. How dare you say a cuss word in the church?

24:19You know, you need to do this in the church. You need to do that in the church. Again, trying to teach you with propaganda that that building is the church, you have to go there to do whatever you're going to do because that is the church. No, you are the church. You are the body of Christ. That's what they don't want you to understand. So now, can you go to a church building? Yes. Are there lots of people hanging out there that aren't actually Christians? Oh, yeah. In fact, in my book, I wrote a long time ago about demons among us. One thing that I couldn't understand as my ex-mother-in-law, she's dead now, told me these stories, which I put in this book, called demons among us. She was plagued by all kinds of demonic activity.

25:22Guess where? In the church. In the building. When she'd go to the church building, they were there. And in the thing where the preacher lived, attached to the church, the parsinage, they were there. And when I first heard these stories, it blew my mind. I could not understand how these demonic entities, these demons, these devils, were hanging out in the church building. And one of the stories is, you know, they come in and their eyes are all blacked out and she could tell which ones were either demon possessed or devils or not even real people because of the way they looked. And they're looking in the windows and they're doing this and they're doing all kinds of stuff, haunting it basically. I never could fathom why you want to know why because I was indoctrinated. I believed that that was the church. And so I could not understand how come demons or devils would go into a church building.

26:25I thought it was some sacred building. That's God's building. That's the church. How could a demon even stand to be in God's presence? Well, it's not the church. You're the church. You know, if demons are hanging around you bothering you, maybe you're not saved. Maybe you're not in the church. Right? Maybe you're not part of the body. Maybe you just think you are. Maybe you think because you went to this building all of a sudden you're a church member that you're part of Christ, you're part of Christ's body, the actual church. Now, now say you have to go to Christ and ask for forgiveness and ask to be saved to get that done. The building has nothing to do with it. You can do that in your car right now. So what do you need the building for? Well, I got you. All my friends meet there. Well, are your friends Christians? If they are and you're talking about good stuff,

27:26more power to you. More power to you. I don't see any problem with it. I really don't. Has that happened with me? No. You know, I could go down the list and I'll be brief. But one of the churches I went to all the time is a great big here. And it's full of a lot of John Brown University, which is a college here in town. Christian College, right? Uh, yeah. Supposedly, woke. I guess you'd call woke liberal college. Now, all the people that come out of there, they don't seem to really care too much about God or anything or biblical. They're more concerned with Sodomites and other stuff like that. Stuff that I thought the Bible was against, but you're going to a Bible college you'd think you'd be taught that. So we've got this big college in town with all these weirdos running around all the time that are always the students. Well, um, you know, look like hippies. More of, more or less, look like hippies. And it's like,

28:27whatever. I guess I do too with long hair, right? What was the point I was getting out here? Oh, so this church I used to go to, popular, big, nice church. You know, all they would talk about is the degrees and the education they had from this college. That was always what they talked about. In fact, I'll never forget it. The one guy got it was preaching if you want to call it that. Okay. And he started referencing his wife and they were doing something, you know, moving furniture or something and she couldn't comprehend what he wanted her to do. And he said, what do you expect? She only has a bachelor's degree. Haha. I have a master's over here from John Brown. And more or less, everything they didn't sit over there revolved around.

29:28Have you been to the college over here and do you have an education from them? Have you got this? Have you got that? If not, well, I guess you're just nobody. So we'll all stick together the ones that are educated. Right? And we'll have our own little click and everybody else is a blooming idiot. And you'll be treated as such, which means you're completely ignored. Tax Act understands you haven't memorized the tax code. That's why Tax Act has live experts to help. Tax Act can even do it for you if you prefer. It's the easiest way to know you're doing it right. Well, other than going back to college and obtaining a bachelor's degree and accounting with a minor in finance, then interning somewhere and becoming fluent in all tax forms, but that might be hard to accomplish before tax day. So maybe just stick with Tax Act. Tax Act. Let's get them over with. Rinse knows that greatness takes time, but soda's laundry. So rinse will take your laundry

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31:29You know, you've got all this weird stuff going on. You've got all these clicks going on. And these certain people always get to come up on stage and they always get mentioned. They get what's called the pull pit mention. They always get clapped for. They always get mentioned. They're like the popular ones at the church. And if you're not one of that click, of course I would want to be. I could absolutely care less. But these people go for that, see? So it's like a little popularity deal. They're in a little click at this church building. And so they get a pull pit mention. If they want it like, for example, the one time they had a play out there, well, one of these ones that always gets the pull pit mention, they wrote the play. Of course, the play was basically right out of a story out of the Bible. So it didn't take much imagination because it's just a copy. But they wrote the play. So this big play is put on by the click.

32:30You see? And if you're not part of the click, you're nobody. You're not acknowledged. It's like you're not even there. I thought this was a place of fellowship. I thought this was God's building. Whether more unrested in coffee, donuts, clicks, that's what they're interested in. And then of course, you know, the preacher, the hireling, right? Initially, when this church was founded, it was this guy's dad. Well, this guy's dad was a full blown. I don't even know what you'd call it. A minute night style, or whatever they're called. You know, women had to wear dresses. Men couldn't wear anything, but a short sleep shirt. Men couldn't do this. You couldn't have a beard. You couldn't do this. You couldn't do that. You couldn't play sports. You could do nothing because you were going to hell, which is not biblical. So the sun takes over it,

33:31and he changes some things. He loses a lot of people because he does more traditional what the Bible actually teaches, a little. But you still have the clicks, the ridiculousness, and then somewhere along the way, of course, he's, you know, he does counseling. He's hirelings to always do counseling. He starts counseling a bunch of women, right? Alone. Well, you know, one thing leads to another, and pretty soon there's an affair. A fair comes out, and you know, he apologizes all the stuff the wife forgives him, and the one thing I noticed when I was attending there is this same guy. Oh, you talk about friendly to the women now. If you're a woman, you can get in the click real easy. If you're a man, hit the road. Then he goes on, you know, on all social media platforms,

34:32all these women on there all the time, constantly talking to women, loving, liking, loving, liking, and it's just like, what are you doing? Number one, you're a married man. You're supposed to be the pastor of a church building. You've had problems in the past, haven't you? And here you are, still doing the same old thing. I mean, maybe you're not doing anything now, but you look guilty. Of course, King James Bible says to abstain from even the appearance of evil. Well, I'm looking at you, and it looks a little weird to me. I know I wouldn't even want you talking to my wife that way. You and her, you know, another people's wives don't need to be head now somewhere together to, you know, have fellowship by yourselves. It ain't happening, dude.

35:32I don't care if you're the preacher or not. And if you had half a brain, you would never put yourself on that position. You'd make sure there's somebody else around at all times. You're never alone. That way you can't even be accused of it. But that's my way of thinking, see? But that's not their way of thinking. And they're the ones with the church buildings. So I disagree. So that's the kind of stuff that goes on there. And that's just a tip of the iceberg. I mean, you know, I've had these ones, you know, they're going to this church. This lady told me, you know, and they're wanting to do the youth stuff. So she comes up with stuff for these kids. The higher ups or the clicks don't like it. So you have to do this. Whether it's right or wrong, this is what we want. So this is what you do it. So you're not even allowed to teach the kids the truth because if the click don't like it, get out. You're fired. So she moved on. Story after story after story. So now you can see what I'm talking about, right?

36:40Does that mean they're all that way? Probably not. Are there some good people out there doing it? I'm sure there are. Maybe you can go on fellowship. That's fine. If you're a Christian though, you just need to understand. Okay. Like one of the guys, another preacher that I listen to, he goes a lot more in depth than this, and he talks about the buildings. He says those buildings are mimicked off of ancient Rome. You know, with the big tall steeple, everybody's like, oh, the church and the steeple. Well, the steeple's from the Roman Empire. It was reminiscent or in the Roman Empire type deal. It was a phalic, phalic. I think that's how you pronounce it. Emblem of a man, of a man's vestiges. If you can understand what I'm saying, steeple represented something that's on a man,

37:43only on a man, that's what the oblisks over there in Egypt represented. It has to do with sex. Okay. It was on the ancient pagan Roman temples and all that, and it somehow transferred over, and now it's on the Christian church buildings. This big steeple's sticking up. Well, we know what it originated as, why have you got it? You tell me. Is that satanic or not? Most people don't even know what it is. Okay. But that doesn't mean it's not what it is, just because you don't know what it is. Or that doesn't mean that's not what it is, just because you don't believe that's what it is. But you go back and start researching these pagan temples and stuff. That's the kind of stuff they did. On all their pagan temples back biblical days, it all had to do with sex and orgies. That's what they did. That was their worshiping.

38:43Okay. And they had these kind of symbols all over the place. And somehow these symbols have slowly, somehow kind of merged over into our stuff. Of course, we're supposed to be a big Christian nation, right? We've got oblisks all over the place. Anywhere they put anybody in power or something, all of a sudden there's a big oblisks from, you know, from Egypt. Imagine that. Over there with all the fake gods and the demons and the devils, everything has to do with sex and filth and disgust. And so they take that. And that's what they put out in the front, see? That represents them. That's why there's one in Washington, D.C. Right? I mean, think about it. Egypt was filth, was disgusting, full of sodomites, full of every kind of filth and pagan God and demon you can imagine. They're worshiping devils. They're worshiping false gods,

39:44sacrificing babies. The list goes on and on and on. So let's take one of their big statues that represents men, you know, stuff. And let's stick it right out in front. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Okay, well, you've got these churches that have something similar on their roofs. Supposedly, just do the research, goes all the way back to pagan Rome, all the way back to pagan Egypt, and it's filth. You know, again, do the people in the buildings know it? I don't know. Do they have a clue? What's going on? Probably not. They probably have no clue. But, you know, it's just one of those things. It's just like the Easter Bunny. You know, we've got Easter coming up. So I've already seen the signs at the big church building on the corner up here, the Easter jam. You know, they're going to have a,

40:44they're going to have the preacher, of course, he's going to be dressed up like an Easter Bunny. And he's going to be giving out the eggs and they're going to have a big Easter egg hunt, you know, which I've seen a million times. No harm in it, right? I mean, it's just a funny thing for the kids. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's, I suppose it's harmless, right? I mean, Easter is from Ishtar. Ishtar is a pagan god, a fertility goddess. Okay, that's why they have a bunny rabbit out there. It's because bunny rabbits proliferate all the time and have lots of bunnies. So that's a very well-known thing. So they put a bunny rabbit out there. Why do you think the bunny rabbits messing around with eggs? Fertility, it all has to do with the female body and fertility and eggs, ovulation, sex. So, you know, we're using it as Easter for something to do with Christ, in actuality, the bunny and the eggs and all that

41:46is from a pagan deal for filth. You know, but do what you want. It is what it is, right? I know when I was doing Easter egg hunts before I even knew that, I wasn't thinking about anything like that. I decided it was fun. You just have to understand where it came from. So again, does that mean you can't do it? No, you're free to do whatever you want. Can you go to a church building of course you can? Can you fellowship there? Of course you can. You can have good friends there. You can also get into a lot of trouble in there. Right? You can also be in there doing things you ain't supposed to be doing. You can also go in there and be eyeballing other people's wives and young girls and young boys or whatever you're into. You can also go in there and do that really easy too. And of course they make it easy. You know, they put all these people up on the stage and most of them these days are half dressed, dancing around doing all kinds of stuff, with smoke and lights and mirrors and fake stuff coming from the ceiling.

42:46I mean, it's pretty show. I mean, almost as good as what a concert. I know, I saw some of them, you know, for Christmas they've got slaves going up and Santa coming down on wires, Santa. I mean, it's a gimmick. Whatever, whatever you want to do though. It's been really between you and God. God knows your heart. If you're going in there to look at the little boys dancing around on the stage, God knows that. Okay, if you're actually going there because you want to learn more about God and you have a knowledge or you have a yearning to learn and you want to fellowship and you want to meet people and you want to do the right thing, he knows that too. Great. I mean, I don't see a problem with that. I really don't. But just know what you're getting into.

43:48You know, know what you're getting into. In my opinion, and it's not this bad, but this is an analogy, right? It's kind of like going and saying, I'm going to go witness, I'm sure you've heard jokes about this before. I'm going to go witness to people. Well, where were you at? They find him in the bar. What are you doing in the bar? I'm witnessing to people. Up at the bar having a drink? Well, you know, I've got to get in there with them and kind of be like them so I can witness to them. Really? So you went to a bar and set up at the bar just like all the other drunks and had a drink. Up there drinking. And you're saying that's witnessing. Instead of maybe trying to stop people from going to the bar and handing them a tract or someone say, hey, don't go have a drink. It's the devil. Oh, no. No, you're going to go partake of it. And then claim... I'm not saying that's what a church is. I'm just saying that lots of people get into these buildings.

44:48There's lots of people that are not saved in a church building. Okay. And people think they have to go in there and get with all these people and do the same thing they're doing to be fellowshiping and all they're doing is going in there and doing something that could have done at the bar. You see what I mean? Anyway, I'll try to quit on that. But you know, it's funny. Is I went to that church, this one I'm talking about, one of them. And I had been giving monthly or weekly for a long time. Quite a bit of money, really. More than, you know, considering I really didn't go that often and I watched a lot of it online and then I would go and I actually even interviewed on a podcast one of the preachers on this podcast a long time ago. So... And I didn't even know if I even remember all the story. But I went in there one day. They had to play. I forgot what the play was. But it was in the middle of the week. They had to sign down on the street

45:48inviting people in to come watch the play, right? I got there early and offered to help maybe set everything up. Nope. We don't need any help. That was one of the clicks, by the way. Nope. Absolutely not. We have it. Okay. So I'm dressed up. Of course, you see the way I look, right? But I was dressed up. I had a really nice long-sleeved shirt on dress, dress pants, boots, dress. Those dress pretty nice. Didn't have anything to do. And if I'm going to go watch that play. Some biblical play, right? So I go in there. And of course, a lot of the people coming in off the street, you know. Nothing wrong with that. But there's a lot of people going in there for the free this and the free that they could care less about any biblical, anything. A lot of people, real crowded. A lot of people hadn't bathed. You know, you can imagine. A lot of people weren't. But there was a lot of people that were. So anyway, everybody's sitting in this right in the center, just packed in there. And nobody on the sides. And I'm like, well, I can see just fine for the sides.

46:50I wouldn't sit on the side. No big deal. I'm just sitting there looking at my phone, waiting for it to start. And this dude walks up, come to find out of his security, right? He walks up too many, he goes, excuse me, sir. I said, yeah. He said, are you who I think you are? And I was thinking to myself, now keep in mind, I had been watching up to that point on YouTube and stuff a lot. I watch a lot of those cop things where people are getting arrested and the attorneys there and they're like, don't ever say anything. Do not incriminate yourself. Shut up. If they started asking you too many questions, they're trying to get you to admit to something, whether you did it or not, they're going to use that against you later. So just don't answer any questions. So that was kind of on my mind, just FYI. So this guy shows up and he's like, are you who I think you are? And I was like, I said, that's a good question.

47:50Who do you think I am? Now, in my deluded mind, I thought to myself, okay, I've been doing this podcast for several years now. I'm all over the internet, more or less. This guy thinks he recognizes me maybe. I don't know. I mean, who knows, right? I mean, I'm in this town. He's in this town. I've got a big podcast. I've interviewed his own preacher at one point. Maybe? Maybe. I don't know, so I'm thinking. This guy thinks, you know, he recognizes me, right? So he's like, you who I think you are. I'm like, I don't know who you think I am. He's like, hey, this weird look on these faces. He starts backing up. He's like, uh, hold on a second, I'll be back. He takes off. I'm like, what are they? Who do they think I do? I think I'm the security or something or what? I don't have no clue. No clue. So anyway, I'm sitting there.

48:51Here comes back. Sir, um, what exactly are you here for? Said to watch the play. Have you ever been here before? Like, yes. But I'm not going to elaborate. You ain't getting no extras out of me. I don't owe it to you. I mean, you have a sign on the street inviting strangers in. I've actually attended the church and in paying to be there. I've paid quite a bit of money over the last couple of years, thousands. So I'm like, he's like, yeah, you, uh, what are you here for? For the play. You ever been here before? Yeah. He has win. You've been there, settling in for an evening of TV only to waste half the night scrolling. Enter Fire TV. Entertainment with zero effort required. Fire TV serves up personalized recommendations from across all your apps. Not sure what to watch.

49:51Just tell Alexa Plus what you're in the mood for and she'll pull up the perfect recommendation. Problem solved. Stop the scroll. Start the show. Find what you're looking for with Fire TV. Subscriptions may be required. I said multiple times. So I attended a wedding here not too long back. Oh, really? Who's wedding? So I named the name. He's like, I'll be back. Another guy shows up. Why are you sitting over here on the side and not over there with everybody else? I said, because I don't want to sit over there with everybody else. He goes, well, it's very odd that you want to sit over here by what you're over here on the side. And, you know, it's very odd. I'm like, if you didn't want people sitting on the side, why are their chairs over here face that direction?

50:51We asked the questions here, not you. Is there anything else you need to know? Yeah, what are you doing here? I said, well, like I told the other guy, I'm here to watch a play. The one you have advertised. Well, who are you here with? I said, nobody on by myself. Can you come by yourself and watch a play? Anyway, this goes on and on. Finally, the guy says, I need you to move and I want you to move over there. He goes for security purposes. You see, because we have a guy up on the balcony. He can't really see you that well. Is it okay? Does he need to see me that well? Yes. So I went ahead and moved. I said, I want you to sit right here. And now there were some signs out there that said reserve for overflow. He said, I want you to sit right there. So I did. So I'm sitting there looking at my phone again here. Here comes another one. He's like, sir, you can't sit here. I was like, really? I'm starting to get annoyed at this point.

51:51And, you know, I can be very outspoken, right? I said, really? And why is that exactly? Well, this is reserved for overflow. I said, really? Well, one of your other guards who just came over here, he specifically told me to sit right here. So he could keep an eye on me. Now, do I need to move to another location? Can I move back to my seat? I don't know. You can't sit over there. You have to sit in this area here. As I tell you what I'm going to do, I'm going to move up one more time. Then we're done. I said, I'm going to move up, and I'm going to watch the play. And if I can't sit in these seats that are provided, I'm going to leave. So I moved up one, and they literally had a guy stationed over here, and another stationed over there in this guy was just hit his arms crossed. He's sitting there looking at me the whole time.

52:52He's kept staring. He's kept looking, looking over and over, and just kept inching closer and closer. Finally, I stand and right behind me. So I finally turn around. I'm like, well, how are you doing today, sir? He's like, I'm doing all right. I got a question for you. So what is it? He goes, why are you here? I said, to watch the play, have you ever been here before? It starts that whole line of questioning again. I'm like, yes. In this time, I offered a little more information. I said, I even give my tides here. I even know the preacher personally. So the guy, anyway, they stood there the whole entire time staring at me watching the play. Now, about three quarters of the way through, I really needed to use a bathroom. I was like, I really need to use a bathroom. And I knew that if I got up and went to the bathroom, they'd be like, he's on the move. He's on the move. What's he up to? I don't know.

53:52What's he going to do in the bathroom? I don't know. Somebody get in there. I was treated like a criminal. And it wasn't because I was dressed dirty or filthy or anything like that. It wasn't because I'm not paying the church. And so that was the very last time I ever attended that church. You know what? You want to treat me like a dog when I come in here. But you've literally got people coming and off the street who have never been here. They're just trashing the place out. Hey, that's okay. But for some reason, we didn't want you in here. So at first, I thought it's because I knew who I was and they liked me. And they're like, oh, are you who I think you are? And then as time went on, I started realizing somebody doesn't want me in here. Maybe it's Satanic like I thought it was. And Satan don't want me in here today because they got their own little deal going on. And they don't want somebody in here that actually is saved. So hit the road, Jack. Now, on the way out when this thing ended,

54:52I had one of the other guards. Of course, they stormed me right as I try to walk out the door. Sir, sir, sir. Now, you understand what we had to do all that. You know, because we've got to be really cautious because we don't know who you are. We have no idea who you are. So we have to... I was like, do you know any of these people in here? I know a bunch of them that just came in off the street because I've attended church and I've never seen any of them here. But we don't know who you are. You understand it, right? You understand why we have to monitor you because we don't know who you are. I was like, yes, I understand. But don't worry. You won't have to monitor me ever again. I left. I'm just like, that's some of my experiences at a so-called church building. Okay. And it actually went on even more and way and more in depth than that. And these guys were asking all kinds of bizarre questions. It wouldn't leave me alone. It was unbelievable. It was what it was. And I was in awe. And I was going to actually call the preacher

55:53and say, you know, you're so-called security, this is what they did to me the whole time. They were watching anybody else. There's hundreds of people in there. Anybody else, they could have ran off with the whole entire PA system. They wouldn't have noticed because they were standing there staring at me the whole entire time. I just wanted to be left alone. My own business. So yeah. Church buildings in me. Yeah. Not a fan. But at the same time, I know what a church building is. It's just a building. I know I'm the church. They're not the church. And so, you know, an actual saved Christian gets in there and knows the Bible and knows you're saved and knows you're, you know, sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ. And there's any devils in there? They don't want you in there. Say, they don't want the real deal in there. They want the fake in there. So they can do their little things. So anyway. I hope that partially answered your question. Again, if you want to go to one, go to one.

56:56I don't have a problem with it. And, you know, I may attend one for this Easter just to go, just to just to listen to an Easter deal. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. Is it necessary? I don't believe so. Are a lot of them satanic? Probably. Are a lot of the buildings satanic in nature? More than likely. Take that as you will, though, you know? So is the supermarket, I'm sure. Any who, having said all that, I'm going to let you go. It's been almost an hour. Check us out on Spotify. Any podcast platform you can listen to it. Check that out. If you like it, like it, share it, whatever. On TikTok, go check that out. Just got a bunch of memes on there, nothing special. You want to hear this other stuff? Head over to Patreon. It's the only place I can keep it up without getting deleted. I'm also on YouTube, and I'm also... Yeah, on Rumble.

57:56So, check it out. Thanks for listening. I hope this helped. If you have any questions, anything, please send me an email. Like Devon here did. I would love to answer your questions in a podcast for me if I can. I'm not the smartest tool in the shed now, but I'm very opinionated. Got a bug flying around here. All right. Thanks for listening. Until we meet again. God bless you. Bye.