Ep:94 | The Murder of Kelsey Berreth | Murder Unscripted

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2:04And I'm Melissa, Ed's Vasty, and walking, talking true crime database. We've combined my behind-the-scenes insight with Melissa's morbid curiosity to bring you a podcast that immerses you in the true crime genre like never before. We highlight victim's cases and bring you exclusive insight from the people who lived through them, with a touch of humor to lighten the darkest stories. This is murder unscripted. What is up crime crew, Ed and Melissa back with another episode of Murder Unscripted, the internet's most authentic, true crime podcast, and a proud part of the Darkcast Network, illuminating the very best in indie podcasting. What is this? Episode 94, I think. I think so. Which means where was that the century mark? What, man, are we doing anything cool for we're not though? It's going to be like, we have a special 100th planned, but it's going to turn into like a special 118th, 125th in that range.

3:07Because who doesn't celebrate their 118th? Isn't that us or what? It really is. Well, I've never thought in a million years we would be here, regardless of how many episodes it is. Yeah, me neither. And look at us. We are in the second week of March, which means we are revisiting a theme that you guys responded to really well last year. And that are spring cleaning block. And this is where we dive into your suggestions, the ones that have been sitting in our inbox for so long. And as we kind of explain like, because of the way our show works with the monthly themes, we don't always get to use the cases you send in right away. So spring cleaning is kind of our way of saying, we hear you, we see you, and we've been saving your suggestions. And we appreciate them so much. Sometimes it's a case that doesn't we don't even know about, which is the coolest, because I'm like, wait a minute, what does this case come out of the woodwork? But the fact that you guys trust us with these cases, especially ones that some of you have close personal connections to really does mean a lot. Today's case actually speaking of listener suggestions was sent in by

4:09a YouTube subscriber of ours who goes by the name Tiong678, if that is your real name. Thank you so much for this one, because I had never heard of this story, but when I dug in my jaw, literally hit the floor on two separate occasions. It's one of those cases that has everything. So you have manipulation, deception, a very, very secret relationship that became not so secret, a missing body. So Tiong678, thank you so much. This one's for you. Yeah, this one's interesting. And I remember a little bit when it first happened, but I don't really remember anything since then. So I'm excited. Yeah, same. Well, I remember her when I started looking at pictures, I'm like, oh, her. I just didn't case. Yeah, one. Yeah, her face. We're up on about. Well, I'm excited. I want to hear it, but just really quick before we get started, if you're enjoying the show, please rate and review on Apple Spotify wherever you listen. Five stars really helps us out and means the world to us. And if you want to get even more involved with me and Ed and the rest of the MU community, please consider joining Patreon. You get bonus

5:13content behind the scene stuff, some stickers, all the fun stuff. Absolutely. We've been trying to make them more personal than our weekly show. And I know that I have been trying to divulge more behind the scene stuff, some really deep stuff. I figured it's Patreon. I can't really get in trouble for this stuff. Can I? No, it's fine. Who's going to rat on me in this group? I was already, before we started recording, I was saying to Ed, I might cut a couple things out of Patreon. But I'm like, here's a confidential document we should talk about. We should talk about it. It's well on that note. We do have two Patreonians to welcome. So today, we want to give a huge warm murder. No, that sounded weird. I was like, a huge warm hug. We want to give you a big warm hug. Gross. Thank you to Lorena W and Lisa C. We love you. We appreciate you. And none of this can happen without your support. So thank you both so much. Absolutely. Like you guys rock and we cannot thank you

6:15enough. And I know, Cord House Dogs, thank you too, because 20% of your membership is going to those wonderful pups and the people who train them. Thank you. All right, Crime Crew, let's dig into it. So I'm going to start by setting the scene so we can all get a sense of the time and place that we're talking about. You know, we like to do that. So this story doesn't necessarily start where we're talking about, but it ends here. And that's why I want to describe this area. So we're in Woodland Park, Colorado. And for those of you who have never been to Colorado, I know speaking of recent Patreon supporters, Cassandra, last time I talked about Colorado, she's like, it's one of my favorite places in the world. So Cassandra, I feel you girl. It is the best. But for those who have never been to Colorado, it's just one of the most beautiful places everywhere you turn. There are just mountains and these tall trees. I mean, you feel like you're in a walking postcard everywhere you go. So I need you to picture this. So right now, we are in the shadow of Pikes Peak, surrounded by the million acre Pike National Forest. And stunning does not even begin to describe this place. It's genuinely one of the most beautiful places on earth. So if we zoom in from there, we get to Woodland

7:20Park, which is this tiny little city of around 8,000 people. So I guess not tiny, tiny, but smallish. And technically it's within the Colorado Springs metropolitan area. But it has its own kind of small town feel. So this is a community where people know each other and definitely the kind of place where you might dream of settling down, raising a family with the peace and quiet of that mountain air. And today our victim, Kelsey Bereth, she chose that place intentionally, which we're going to find out why in a second. So Kelsey was originally from Moses Lake, Washington. And she lived there with her mother and father. And at least one brother that I know of his name is Clint, because he comes in to play in this story. And at the time of this case takes place, Kelsey was 29 years old. She was smart. She was ambitious. She was driven. And not in the usual sense that we normally talk about. So this woman was a freaking pilot, like a licensed working flight instructor who taught us Air Force pilots how to fly a dos aviation. And that was in Pueblo, Colorado.

8:21But let that sink in like she was teaching our military how to fly. That is so freaking badass. Like I love when women kind of break the mold and like take on what is commonly viewed as like a more masculine job. Absolutely. Real quick for the listeners. She's beautiful. And if you want to kind of get an idea of what she looks like to me, she looks like a cross between Tiffany Amber Theson. So Kelly from Save by the Bell. And Lauren Graham, who was lora lie the mom and Gilmore. Oh, and Gilmore girls. Yes. Just like her. I think that if you did one of those face swaps with all three of them, I think. Yes. Yeah. I agree. Well, so back to Kelsey, her love for aviation started when she was just a little girl growing up on this hay farm in Washington. And she dreamed of being a crop duster, which as a 12 year old trapped in a man's body, I cannot say that with a straight face. But jokes aside, that's like a an oddly specific type of job. They're unique. The occupation that she was dreaming of. Okay. Just imagining a cute little girl running around

9:24telling people she wants to be a crop duster. I do a 12 year old because I'm cracking up. But you know what? You know what that is, right? Like a plane has literally just crops. That is very cool. We've heard of really cool jobs on this show that you never think about. I'll say, well, as she grew up, that dream did evolve. And she eventually found her way into the cockpit professionally. And her mom had said that she loved God. She loved her job. And she loved her and those same friends would go on to tell CBS news at one point because obviously this story does not end with these happy memories that we're talking about. From the pictures, she was so obviously beautiful. You just mentioned how gorgeous this girl was. Like very put together that you would think she's like this pretty know it all. But she was not. This was a down to earth. She was a farm girl. She was a tomboy. And her parents Darryl and Cheryl Barath, they're both incredibly important figures in this case, particularly her mom Cheryl. And these two were very, very close. Like the talk every day, share everything kind of close.

10:27And I'm talking about Kelsey and her mom. Not such a special relationship. And then I feel like your mom already probably knows you best. So now she knows you even better. Right. Yeah. When you can be friends with your kids, I'm starting to get to that age with my kids. Like for a while, I mean, you're always going to be a parent, but you're to the point where now you can talk to them like little baby adults. And you can have like real conversations. They're just more engaging conversations. It's true. Well, remember I said earlier that Kelsey had chose this place with intent. So do you want to know what brought her to Colorado? I'm going to take a guess. Well, if something was bringing me to Colorado, it would be looking for Joe Kenda. So I'm going to say man, not a man, but a man. Probably not Joe Kenda, but yeah, it was a man. So in 2016, Kelsey had met a Colorado cowboy through an online dating app. And his name was Patrick Fraser. And Patrick was this dashingly handsome, kind of rugged, good old boy, which is exactly the type of man that Kelsey was attracted to. And he lived on his family's 35 acre ranch in rural

11:28Floresont, Colorado, where he trained cattle dogs, which I was like, oh, man, exactly. There's a home video of him doing this. There's five or six cattle dogs in the ring trying to like maneuver this bowl. It was it was really cool to watch. I just can't imagine five or six skills. Oh my God. Right. But when they're working dogs. So when they're working, though, they're on point. They are pros. Like we used to see these dogs in action. But he also groomed donkeys. And so basically he was the farm's farrier. Have you ever heard of a farrier? No. I say like that. Could you go? I don't know farm stuff. I don't mean I didn't mean to say it like that. But I'm like, I'm like, no, I would even ask that question. Excuse me. Sorry. That's not what I meant. So there's any farriers listening. That's not what I meant. Well, dummy. A farrier is it's basically a horseshoe or but fun fact, donkeys don't wear shoes. Don't ask me how I know that. So he basically took care of their hooves. Oh, okay. Yeah. So Kelsey and Patrick, they continue this long

12:32distance relationship. And despite the miles between them, it's safe to say that things moved lightning fast. And it didn't take long for Patrick to come to Washington to meet Kelsey's family and hands up proposing within just a few months of meeting Kelsey. Wow. And they didn't have any official wedding plans according to her mom because mom was saying that she didn't want a big wedding that it was quote between them and God. So it sounded like they just wanted to keep this thing small under the radar. It's an interesting side note because I when you see the nature of this relationship, I'm curious where things really stood in her mind versus how they stood in his mind. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I wish we could find that out. I know. And we never, ever will. But so now that they've gone from boyfriend girlfriend to fiance's, Kelsey decided that it's time to uproot her life and move to Colorado to be with Patrick. And I'm going to kind of gloss over the details in this next part because the facts are a little fuzzy and ultimately it doesn't matter. So I just wanted to I wanted to tell you, but it doesn't ultimately play play into this case.

13:35So for whatever reason, Kelsey and Patrick did not live together. And I heard one source say that it was because there was friction between Kelsey and Patrick's mom Sheila, like there was just personality clash. They just didn't get along. I don't know if it was anything in particular. Or if it's even true. So please don't quote me on this. But because Patrick basically maintained this giant farm, he couldn't really leave either. And in the back of my mind, I'm going, well, why don't you just get a place together five minutes away from the farm so that you're still by yourself, but not with your family, you know, just drive into work. But I don't know. So I'd be, it is weird. So I'd be curious to know what the real story is. But Patrick continues living at his family's ranch. And Kelsey ends up finding a condo in Woodland Park, which is the area I was just talking about. And that's about 15 to 20 miles east of Floresont. But almost an hour each way to Pueblo, where remember in the beginning, I said she was a flight instructor for the DOS aviation. That's a long drive. I feel like especially for such a demanding job. What I mean by that is

14:36like you're already spending two hours a day in the car. You have a super demanding job. I imagine exhaustion is something you face every day. Absolutely. 100%. So this is kind of where this fairy tale hits its first speed bump, so to speak. So in early 2017, Kelsey learns that she's pregnant. And the couple has their first baby together in October. And this is a little girl that they named Kayleigh, which is a beautiful thing except now Kelsey's kind of tasked with doing most of the parenting herself. Because as I mentioned, she and Patrick do not live together. And they split the time. Yeah, it was very weird because they split Kelsey was the main parent. And her friend said that Patrick would never go to her place like to see the baby or with the baby. But Kelsey would always spend what little free time she has given this crazy job. She would always take the take Kayleigh over to Patrick's ranch to see him. So I guess he was just so occupied with the ranch. So he's not exactly pitching in as the whole point of this, which has to be a stressor, a big time stressor for

15:38Kelsey. Yeah, I mean, so now I said exhaustion, but I mean now she's raising an infant. So and essentially by herself, it sounds like. Yeah, I still don't understand. I mean, it feels like they're almost living like a divorced parent life, but not divorced. Like something that came back and forth, but not. Yeah. And I think him living on the farm has anything to do with his mom. It might fact, she had any reason to do with the move to Woodland Park. I don't know enough about the situation to really offer an educated opinion on it. Okay. Sorry. I'd like to leave it at that. But if so, that makes a lot of sense. He was never described as a bad dad or a bad like fiance boyfriend. Like people said he wasn't abusive. He wasn't this. He was just kind of like not really there, I guess. But being not abusive doesn't make you good. I mean, not everyone should be not abusive, but he doesn't really seem like he had a chance to be any kind of dad or good or bad. Like he was an absent dad. Right. It seemed

16:42like the the baby was an inconvenience, I guess. But I don't have any accounts that he didn't love the child or anything like that. So that's kind of what I was just getting at. Okay. But the bottom line is at the end of the day, it was starting to tear their relationship apart as you can imagine. So let's get into the day that everything changes Thanksgiving day, which would be November 22nd, 2018. And Kelsey, true to form is a super super woman doing it all. So she's hosting Thanksgiving dinner for her Patrick and young Kaylee at her place in at the condo in Woodland Park. Because of this, she spent the morning of Thanksgiving, like talking to her mom, texting her mom about family recipes to prepare. She is really doing it all. She could have been in our girl power block last summer. Yeah, just for being a badass mom. Yeah. The one thing she does mention to her mom is that she's been a little worried about Patrick because he'd been up all night feeling sick. So she's not even sure if he's going to make it to Thanksgiving dinner or not. So after they hang up, then the mom share all she text Patrick to be like happy Thanksgiving and also just wishing like get well

17:46soon. I hear you're not feeling good. And he texts text back happy Thanksgiving as well. So after she's done talking to her mom, getting all the all the details about how to make these different family recipes, she heads to a safe way to get all of these groceries. And there's this video of her going into the store. And she's got one of those little like the baby carriers that I assume was like a car seat that you click into the base and then you can take it with you, carry the baby around. So I think she eventually puts her in a car. But like when she first comes into the store, there she is holding it. And the point of that is it's really the last time that anyone, well, almost anyone would see Kelsey alive again. And this part is super sweet. So she had texted Patrick at one point that morning to after she got back from safe way to let him know that she had bought stuff for sweet potato pie just because she knows he loves it. So all in all, everything was fine. This was said to be a great holiday. All right. So she talked to her mom things were good and she's clearly texting Patrick. And it seems like things like there's no fighting or anything if she's telling him like I got this off to make your pie, right? Nothing, nothing going on.

18:48Everything seems normal. Okay. And there's one little tidbit that I want to throw in here as well. I know I'm talking a lot about sweet potato pie. Now I'm going to talk about cinnamon rolls. No, Kelsey had picked up some cinnamon rolls to bake for Thanksgiving for her and for Kaylee. And she left them on top of the stove to basically bake later. And I'm including that little tidbit because it's like a small, insignificant detail that is going to come back later on in a just a heartbreaking way to me. Like of all the things that happened in this case, the stupid cinnamon rolls were what got me got it. So stick a pin in cinnamon rolls. It's true. So fast forward a couple days and Cheryl hasn't heard a peep from Kelsey about how dinner went or anything else for that matter. And these two seemed very close as I mentioned. So not hearing from Kelsey, it wasn't necessarily like alarming. But it was like strange. We'll say. So two days after Thanksgiving. So now it's November 24th. She gets a text from Kelsey. And it's just a brief kind of a quick message saying I'll call you later. She's like, okay, cool. So she's everything's fine.

19:51She's going to call me. She must have been busy. Right. But Kelsey never calls back. So this gets Cheryl worried. And naturally, who's the first person she's going to contact with questions? Patrick. Patrick, great. Yes. So Patrick proceeds to drop an absolute bombshell. So he tells Cheryl that he and Kelsey had actually broken up the day before Thanksgiving. And that Kelsey had, I know. And that Kelsey had left their daughter with him before like storming off. They went their separate ways. And Cheryl's like, hold up. This is a huge deal. Like Kelsey never said a word to me about this when she called on Thanksgiving. So. Right. Talking about like turkey and stuffing and sweet potato pie with your mom isn't exactly the kind of conversation you're going to have without mentioning you're going to end this long term engagement. I feel like your fans say, right? Right. And why is she texting me about the pie? If she was going to leave what, you know what else would get to me about this part? This woman has basically been with that baby every day since she was born because we know Patrick's not that involved. So now she's just

20:56going to give, you know, especially for like a first time mom to do that, to be away from their child. I think is incredibly difficult. And I just can't see that happening. And not tell anyone about it. Yeah. That's what I mean. Right. Well, fear not because Patrick goes on to say, well, it's all true. I assure you. So he said that he had talked to Kelsey on November 21st the day before Thanksgiving. And that's when she told him that things were over. She said she wanted to meet him the next day, which would have been Thanksgiving to hand over Kaley and get some of her things back. And Patrick said he kind of saw it coming. So he didn't really argue her decision a whole lot. And he agreed to meet. So on Thanksgiving day, and he doesn't say what time, which is kind of important later on. But Patrick says he goes over to Kelsey's condo. And right before he goes inside though, Kelsey pulls him into this like alleyway corridor type thing next. It's not it's not it. Don't picture an alley like when you'll see pictures on the YouTube audience. We'll see photos. But it's not like a dark alleyway. It's just this little like walk away behind the behind the

22:00buildings. That's weird. I bring it up because I mean, who cares whether I have in this conversation, but it matters to the story because he says he does not go into that condo that it takes place outside. So that's important. And that's just all Patrick's story though. Like we don't have anyone else's story right now. Okay. Correct. And it's at this point that Kelsey hands over Kaley. And Patrick turns over some of Kelsey's personal belongings. It's her house keys to the townhouse. A bunch of some clothing. But then also a gun that Patrick said he'd been holding for her because she'd recently made some kind of offhand comments about wanting to harm herself. Wait a second. You're giving a gun back to someone who gave it to you because they were going to hurt themselves. And had she expressed these like suicidal ideations to anyone else? No. So again, this is just Patrick's this is mom calling Patrick to be like, hey, have you heard from Kelsey? Right. Okay. And this is what he's feeding her. So take it for what it's worth. Okay. At this point, he turns over what he was going to give Kelsey. And then she takes off leaving

23:05him with Kaley, who he immediately puts in the car and then takes back to his family's ranch for Thanksgiving dinner. And as far as Kelsey goes, Patrick thinks that she left town to stay with a friend. He doesn't know. Then why would she have bought the groceries? I'm so confused. As he clearly didn't know what she was planning to do that day. If that like, okay, that's just say this is all true, which I feel like it's not, but okay. So he admits giving this gun back to Kelsey, who's supposedly already threatened to hurt herself. And now she and the gun have disappeared. Like for me, I would be so worried with the vast Colorado wilderness that she would have gone somewhere to possibly hurt herself. Yeah. That's one definite way of thinking. Right. And if any of that is true, like, why wouldn't he have called the police to be like, you know what, she's missing and the guns missing or at least texted her mom. And I think a lot of the stems, yes, and a lot of the stems from the fact that I'm telling you this story. And you, we know this is going to be a bad story, you know, something's going to happen.

24:06And I'm telling you, I'm laying the groundwork for like this troubled relationship and all this other stuff. But at the time, mom just thinks it's his fiance who she doesn't have anything bad to say. I mean, he doesn't really know the guy that much, you know. But obviously Cheryl's mama antenna is up at this point. So she still doesn't involve police. And I'm going to reserve judgment because I wasn't there. Like there may have been a perfectly good reason. Like maybe she was just trying to make sense of the whole situation or she was trying to give Kelsey space after this breakup from her fiance. But she also did get that one text from her so I can see where her mom's coming from. Right. Well, at this point, she does everything she can think of. So she starts calling all of Kelsey's friends in Colorado. She calls her friends back home in Washington to see if they know anything, but nobody has heard from her. And she even contacts dos aviation and finds out that Kelsey had texted in the other day saying she was going to visit her grandmother back home in Washington. And before you go all Joe Kenda on this bit of information, I will save your breath by telling you

25:07that Kelsey did have a grandmother in Washington. So it wasn't, it was not beessing. However, there's one thing like her grandmother was ill. People believed suffering from dementia. So it wasn't like Nana got sick and fell down the stairs. We have to go see her. You know what? It was like an ongoing disease. So it's not like she would have had to take some spontaneous trip on a whim because something happened to her grandmother. So it's just a little off. Well, and if she was going to see her, I feel like Cheryl, her mom would know about it. Right. Exactly. So fast forward again to December 2nd. So now we're about 10 days after Thanksgiving. And Cheryl Barrett calls the Woodland Park Police Department to report her daughter missing. And police do take this report seriously. And they head over to Kelsey's condo to do a welfare check. And at first glance, it's not an obvious crime scene. So the doors locked. There are no obvious signs of a break in. No sign of a struggle or anything like that. And Kelsey's car is there. So they pretty much say, all right, you know what? She's an adult. We're not sure where she is. But it definitely doesn't look like anything bad happened here. So we just kind of have to wait it out.

26:11Oh, yeah. Well, mom Cheryl was not about to wait it out. So she and her son Clint, they hopped the next plane from Washington to Woodland Park to do a walkthrough of the house themselves, basically, to see like we know we know her. If something's off, we'll know about it. We know everything about her. You know, okay. And something is definitely wrong. So first off, all of Kelsey's clothes are in her closet. Like she didn't look like she packed a suitcase or threw something in there in a hurry and got out of there. Right. Her toothbrush and her makeup are still in the bathroom. Oh, and all those gross, all those groceries that she bought are sitting on the counter, including the cinnamon rolls. They're never made. They were just sitting there. Oh, oh, that's not good. Okay. No. And these are going to come up a third time in this story. And the third time is what freaking gets me. So there was also this weird like film. And when I say film, I don't mean like window tint. I mean like a president or some, yeah, some kind of schmutz and streaks, streaks. But no one really knows. No one really knows what to make

27:13of it at the time. It was like the front of the dishwasher, the fridge. They've been cleaned. So all I have to say to that is Q the damn crow. Yeah. So simply for the sake of storytelling and suspense, I will play devil's advocate and tell you that her family does notice that Kelsey's purse is gone along with her keys and her cell phone. So okay, but she's going away for days. Your keys and your cell phone are not clothing and a toothbrush like I know. I'm just I'm throwing that out there. All right. So Sheryl and Clint, they continue searching the house. And this is where things take a really serious turn. So as Clint is scouring the bathroom, he notices that the mat is missing near the sink. Like it's a mat that he knew about for some reason. Like he's like that mat isn't there. And he also notices what appears to be this large blood smear on the toilet. And it's at that moment that they basically look at each other and say this is not a missing person's case like something. Kelsey's in trouble. Yeah. So Sheryl calls the cops back and now they come back to the scene. This time they're flanked by the Colorado Bureau of investigation, which we've

28:16called in the industry called the CBI and a lot of people do too. So we've discussed this numerous times on the show. An agency like the CBI bigger organization like better tools than the local PDs have more resources. Yeah. Well, CBI, they actually handle all DNA forensics in the state of Colorado, which I'm not sure if you knew that. I did not. So they go through the condo with luminal. It's the chemical that reacts to trace amounts of blood even after cleaning. And not only do they see blood on the toilet, but there's also blood blood spots throughout the bathroom. And this DNA is fast tracked, the testing. And I probably don't even have to make you guess at whose blood it comes back to be. All right. But again, to play devil's advocate, was it a lot of blood? Because I feel like a good defense attorney could argue blood in a bathroom pretty easily. You make yourself shaving blood in the bathroom. Even if you keep your bandates in there, you stub your toe, you walk in there. You know, I don't have these, they're not gory crime scene photos by any means, but there's not, there's not a lot. And you're going to see why. So it's not, it's not, but it's where it is

29:17that suspicious. So do you remember I was just talking about that weird film that was on some of the appliances and the walls in the house? Yeah. Yeah. So investigators, as they're kind of looking around, they have a theory about where this came from, especially now that you were just questioning how much blood was in the place. So they believe it was some sort of cleaning agent that someone had gone through and it left a like a, almost like when you use Windex and you don't get it all, it's just, it's like a few years or a few years too much of the cleaning supply, like on your floor, it can leave a fellow Merle right. Exactly. And that's what it was. So to them, it basically looked like whatever happened here, the person who did it wanted to make sure that police didn't find out. Well, yeah. And I think we should mention that it's no secret that the spouse or romantic partner is usually to blame in cases like this one. And I'm sure police are already looking hard at him despite the lack of physical evidence, like involving him. Yeah. And you hear, I mean, God, there's a, there's a slogan about it. Like the husband did it. Like that's, there's T shirts. There's T shirts. That's what I mean. So it's usually the husband. So when Patrick is questioned,

30:19he tells them the exact same story that he told Cheryl about the breakup, about the timing. But interestingly, he brings up that the depression and the suicidal thoughts that she was having. And he told police that she'd even spent time in a clinic trying to manage all of this stress that she was going through, which part of it was caused by him, not being bad. But when her family learns about this, they're like, it's a nutritional clinic, not a mental health clinic. So obviously Patrick's story is already like unraveling. But right now for police, it's just about information gathering. Like that first encounter, you want to let them tell a story. And if it's a lie, they're going to back themselves into a corner. Tell us your version of the truth. That seems like such a foolish thing to lie about. And that's so easy to find out the truth. Like Google the name of the clinic. Melissa criminals are not known for their IQ. Well, here's where things kind of go off the rails for Patrick. And apologies that this isn't more of a who-done it. It's more of a WTF case. But police obtained warrants for both Patrick and

31:20Kelsey's phones. And first off, Patrick's phone is pinging in the area of Woodland Park for hours on Thanksgiving Day. And remember, he had claimed that he had left Kelsey in that little alleyway type thing. And then drove to his straight to his family's ranch for Thanksgiving dinner. But in the words of the great Mari Povitch, his phone records determined that was a lie. Oh, Mari, love him too. So here's the second thing they uncover, which is kind of even more telling than the first. So later that Thanksgiving day, investigators find that Kelsey's phone and Patrick's phone suddenly start traveling together, heading toward his ranch. But Patrick told police that Kelsey was not with him. He left her at her condo. So that basically tells investigators that he took her phone after he did something. It's looking that way. Yeah, looking that way. And it wouldn't be the first time. In fact, didn't we just see that in the Ashley Klein case that they were doing stuff? The air quotes friend A.K. Shaman killer told her phone and was still texting.

32:21Yes. Well, and then between Thanksgiving and the days that followed up until police were notified, they find evidence of 19 fabricated calls. And I'm saying fabricated because I'm basically blowing the suspense of the story. But I think you guys get the feeling that Patrick did it. They find evidence of 19 fabricated calls and texts between the two phones. And these were all engineered to basically make it look like Kelsey was still alive and moving around and just being normal. And the part that throws investigators off their guard a little bit are those text that he sent from Kelsey's phone after Thanksgiving. Two days after she supposedly ended the relationship and stormed off, one message from Kelsey to Patrick said she's going running and will call when she gets home. And Patrick responds, OK, be safe. And then two days after Thanksgiving, there was another exchange where Kelsey says she's jumping in the shower. And then there was even a text from Kelsey's phone to her supervisor at the flight school saying she wouldn't be coming into work. And then there was one message that really caught everyone's attention. Kelsey texted Patrick, do you even love me? Patrick's response was, would I go through all of this if I didn't?

33:26No. But that one pinged off a cell tower 800 miles away and you're good in Idaho on November 25th. So we need to come back to Idaho. But like when you put all of that in context, I feel like those text exchanges are so chilling when we know that at that point, those were not from Kelsey and that she was most likely no longer with us. Right. Exactly. Right. But how do we factor in Idaho? Oh, OK. So in these phone records on Thanksgiving evening, Patrick makes a random call to an Idaho phone number. Like nobody recognizes they show the family, they show friends, and like, I don't know who that we don't we don't know that number. So do we know, do we find out who it is? We do. And the FBI gets involved as you can imagine, because now the phone evidence points to a crime that has spanned several states. So he's on the lines. Right. OK. And the agents, they work with locals and they trace that Idaho number to a 32 year old nurse and former Idaho rodeo queen,

34:27named Crystal Jean Lee Kenny, who will now be known as Crystal Lee, moving forward in the story. So when agents call Crystal Lee, she initially plays dumb. Patrick, who? Oh, Patrick, crazy. Yeah, I think I know Patrick, but then I think she can kind of feel that this is not just a, an information gathering call. I think they police want to know more about Patrick. And it doesn't take long for her story to shift. She's like, oh, you know what, Patrick? I know, Patrick. And you know what? I actually went to Colorado that weekend Thanksgiving weekend to look at a horse that ranch owner, Patrick wanted to sell her. And she ended up deciding not to buy it. So she went back to Idaho. No big deal. So she drove how many states away to look at horse on Thanksgiving weekend? Was it like a black Friday sale? Might have been. Sure. Horses half off. Well, investigators, they pull Crystal's phone records. And what they find are not a few casual calls. In fact, they find dozens of calls between Patrick and Crystal in the days immediately following Kelsey's

35:28disappearance. And the location data indicates that those calls were made not just from Idaho, but near Kelsey's condo in Woodland Park. So investigators traveled to Idaho to speak with Crystal in person. And that's when Crystal Lee says the words that break this case wide open. It took very little coaxing, by the way. She says, quote, I want to talk to you, but I want my lawyer here first. End quote. I mean, I want to say, oh, she looks so guilty. But like, isn't this what we preach? Get a lawyer innocent guilty. Look at Richard Jewel. Get a lawyer. So I'm going to say, I can't blame her for that. Okay. All right. Well, if you're going to see why she wanted a lawyer, I mean, I think that she's probably a shit bag, but I'm just going to say like it's, I don't think it's shady to get a lawyer. I don't know how I feel about Crystal. I do think she would she had ship bag qualities. I do think she might have been like, when you hear how this plays out and how he talks to her, I you tell me. So Crystal is given what sometimes referred to as

36:32queen for a day immunity, meaning that anything she says during that conversation cannot be used against her. And this is a tool that police use because they want to hear the truth right then in there. Yeah, one shot, you tell us everything you know exactly what happened and who did it. And if investigators find her story credible, then they'll negotiate a deal. And what Chris and Crystal lead takes the takes that dangling bait and says, you know what, I'm going to tell you everything I know. Okay. So Crystal Lee wasn't just a witness like she knows exactly what happened to Kelsey Barath. She knows exactly where she is and who was responsible and why does she know you ask because she was there like not for the murder, but for everything that came after it. So Crystal Lee, she tells investigators that she and Patrick Fraser had been in an on again off again relationship ever since they'd met after high school. So while Kelsey was pregnant, like while Patrick was supposedly committed to building this family with Kelsey, he was secretly maintaining this other relationship with Crystal. Did Crystal know about Kelsey? Oh, she did. Yeah, and but

37:35this this whole time though, he'd been very slowly and very deliberately poisoning Crystal's perception of Kelsey. He said she's unstable. She's always stressed out. She's an unfit mother. All this like dirty stuff that wasn't true. And he'd say that Kelsey was abusing their baby, which there's no evidence of that. Like, Kelsey was a great mom. Like everybody who's talked about her has said this baby was her life. And she, I mean, you know, look at what she's doing. She's working. She's commuting like she is not abusing this baby. And what he does is he tells Crystal that if she doesn't do something, something terrible is going to happen to their daughter. That is a very documented pattern of intimate partner violence. Like it's called coercive control, which means it's not just physical violence. It's not just getting beat up. It's like long-term psychological manipulation designed to really f with that person and make them follow whatever the abuser says. And I feel like Patrick was doing it to multiple women simultaneously. Well, Kelsey at least had

38:37no idea Crystal existed. Right. And he's like weaponizing her against a woman she'd never met. I do feel like we see women actually do this a lot when they tell their a fair partner that their husband is abusive. And he's going to kill me if you don't kill him first. I feel like that happens in a lot of true crime cases. We've heard a lot of those. Yeah, they become hitmen. Hitmen essentially like to get the white night to come save this woman from the abusive. But most of the time that the spouses are perfectly normal, dude, she just went out of the relationship. Right. Oh, yeah. Well, apparently there were three separate attempts to pull this off. Wait, attempts to kill her? Yes. Yes. Okay. Jesus Christ. I wasn't expecting this. Sorry. I know. No, that's okay. So the first time he had told Crystal to drive from Idaho to Colorado and poison Kelsey Starbucks drink. He's like, she loves caramel macchiatoes and Crystal being a nurse. She's the one that suggests this like specific method, which is a lethal dose of ambian and

39:40valium slipped into the coffee. And are you ready for this? So Crystal actually goes. And in September of 2018 drives to Colorado knocks on Kelsey's door with a coffee in her hand. She says, I'm a new neighbor. Just wanted to say hi, introduce myself. But then when she comes face to face with this woman, like Crystal said she couldn't do it. So she heads back to Idaho without poisoning anyone. Okay. First of all, if a stranger comes to your door with a beverage, do not drink it. If someone hands me a star, but I'm probably going to take it. Okay. Well, now I know how to kill you. If you said you're a new neighbor, if a neighbor shows up and says, here's a coffee, I'm drinking that all day. I wouldn't open the door for the first place I would hide. That's when she should have told the police that something's amiss. Agreed. Well, needless to say, Patrick is furious when he hears that she didn't do it. So naturally, he propositions Crystal again. And again, and again. And the next time he tells her, he'll leave this metal pipe at the gate for his ranch. All she has

40:42to do is pick it up, go wait for Kelsey and just bash her on the head and game over. So Crystal actually drives to Kelsey's house with this pipe. She picks it. She does as she said, but she loses her nerves. Chicken's out and drives back to Idaho again. And then a week later comes back with yet another plan. So this time, Patrick had told her to bring a baseball bat to Kelsey's condo and quote, get to swinging. End quote. So once again, Crystal drives to Colorado with intent to kill. And once again, chicken's out. But again, she never tells Kelsey and that like never calls the police just goes home and tells Patrick she couldn't do it. Freakin awful. So there's a couple of things I want to unpack here. The first is if there truly was a gun that Kelsey had. What if this woman were to break into Kelsey's apartment? Kelsey happened to have the gun in a place and shot her thinking she was an intruder, which she is. But do you know what I'm saying? Like I feel like Patrick

41:44is putting Crystal, the other love of his life in danger as well. That's bad enough, but then like also three times she drove or was prepared to drive to someone's home to kill them. Yeah. She had three times. Like I understand she was coerced and manipulated, but you had three chances to save her life. You had that a whole last drive from Idaho to Colorado. That's not short. No, it's not a lot of time to think. Kelsey's blood. I'm not going to say it's on her hands, but it is on her soul. That's a good way to put it because she definitely did not do anything to stop this. And it could have been prevented. But it does bring us back to the day that everything went down. So November 22nd, 2018 Thanksgiving. So Crystal is in good in Idaho having dinner with her family. Patrick had told her quote, there is this is in freaking text message too. I have to show you this thing. There is a mess here for you to clean up. You need to get here right away and

42:45quote, Oh, I would be what a juice. It's almost like he's punishing her for not going through with the plan she should have carried out. Like he wanted her to do all his dirty work. Right. So now he's he's done the dirty work himself. And now he wants her to clean it up. I feel like call Mary maids. I'm not cleaning for you. Like honest to God. Well, so what happens is Patrick phrase, he beat Kelsey Barath to death with that baseball bat that Crystal refused to swing. He did it inside Kelsey's own condo. And according to what he later described to Crystal, he had come back to the condo after a trip to Walmart. And he told Kelsey he wanted to do something fun. So he blindfolded her and has these candles that he bought. And he asked her to guess the scent of these candles. And Kelsey trusted Patrick enough to allow him to blindfold her. And then as she leaned forward to sniff the candles, he bashes her head in. And he beat her repeatedly with his baseball bat. And she I imagine begged him to stop. But despite her pleas, despite all of the blood that was

43:45spattering all over the walls, nothing was stopping Patrick. And for our savvy listeners who are wondering where 16 month old daughter Kayley was, she was in the next room for the entire thing. That's probably the coolest thing you can do to someone like not only because Kelsey probably is wondering, is he going to kill the baby next? Yeah. She can't protect her. The babies there was, I understand they don't understand, but like who knows what's in their subconscious that you're hearing your mother scream? Yeah. I feel like the whole blind thing really with me. Yeah. She trusted. Take advantage of the trust like that is really sickening. It is. It's really sick. Well, when he was done, Kelsey was dead. And her body was on the floor in a pool of her own blood. And then Patrick Frazy contacts his girlfriend in Idaho and tells her to come clean it up in the nicest way possible. There's a mess here. Come take care of it. Yeah. So Crystal, she loads up a borrowed car with cleaning supplies and makes the 800 mile

44:46track from Idaho to Colorado. And Patrick has left Kelsey's condo keys at his ranch at the gate for her to pick up. So she gets the keys. She goes to the condo. And what she walks into, she would later describe to investigators, there was blood all over the floor, blood on the walls, blood on the front of the stove, blood on the dishwasher, bloody footprints everywhere. End quote. And I'll continue painting this horrendous picture by telling you that the cinnamon rolls that were left on the stove, the ones that she was going to bake for her daughter, they were covered in blood. She had to clean off the top of these cinnamon rolls too to make it look like. So I don't know why that bothered me so much. I think I said earlier, like it in seemingly insignificant detail, but to me that like that says everything about Kelsey and her intent and what she planned on doing that day and the person she was, the stupid cinnamon rolls. I mean, you got a picture of that image. It's such a normal mundane thing. And now like this fun treat for her and the baby is. Well, something else that Crystal reveals was that

45:48she had come prepared. So she had brought painters, coveralls like the Tyvex suits, the full body ones. And she brought coverings for her feet. She brought bleach, trash bags. And she worked methodically through the condo moving from the living room to the bathroom, the bed like everywhere. And she packed these blood soaked items into trash bags, scrubbed all the surfaces, did a thorough enough job that when police first checked that condo, they didn't really find anything out of the ordinary. But except for that strange film on some of the stuff, which was cleaning, we're cleaning residue. And this next part is disputed, but Crystal later claims that she intentionally left some blood behind so that police would figure this out. And I don't know what I think about that. She's not that smart, but go ahead. I don't think she did that. Well, what she was referring to was that blood smear on the toilet that initially alerted Clint to the crime that a crime had happened. But there was also a small spot on the fireplace and another on this baby gate by the stairs. And well, I'm watching this. I don't know if you've ever seen this, but I so there's body cam

46:52footage of this whole thing like she ends up escorting police back to the house to show them exactly what happens and it's heartbreaking because the scene had been relatively left untouched. There's some floorboards that are turned that are turned up that I'll tell you about later. But they give her like a stick because the blood had gone so high on the walls that she couldn't reach to illustrate where the blood was. So they give her this like broomstick and she's pointing up on this like she's like it was up here and she's like it was over here. And she's she's very somber when she's telling it, but she's she's apparently speaking facts. I mean, she's she's not hesitating when asked where this blood was, what she did with stuff. So I mean, she's trying to help, I guess, paint a picture of what happened here. Wow. Okay. So what is this broom? Can you point to the area where you saw a clean blood up on the wall? You just hold it there so you can see that. Okay. Anywhere else?

47:52All in with the spray from here, all the way. I had to clean up underneath here. And it was all down here. Is there any spray else that you remember? I moved to the couch. I like to catch off. There was one behind the couch down the wall because you're bloating the world. There were there was I noticed some on some of the appliances. And so I wiped it and pitched it in the sink. But anyway, regarding that toilet smear, maybe she left it. Maybe she didn't. I don't think we will ever know. But what is certain is that Patrick had also instructed her to look for something specific in the condo. A tooth. Well, during the beating, he says that Kelsey had lost a tooth and Patrick believed that it might

48:52be found by police. So on this video, the cop is like, where was the tooth? And she takes her little wooden stick and points to it right on the floor. Would Vince, did you clean bottle? So if you remember where the tooth was, he's the broom. And that tooth went directly in the trash bag with all the other stuff. So she loads this bag of stuff into the car. And in a move, which I am now dubbing the spy V woman trained before meeting Patrick, she stops at Sonic and gets a hamburger. Okay, yes, that's valid, especially Sonic, Sonic's bang. And I love Sonic. I mean, scrubbing a crime scene is hard. It works for me. What's up in appetite? Evidently. Well, she ends up driving to Patrick's ranch in Floreson. And that's when he tells her more. So apparently he had loaded Kelsey's body into this large black plastic tote. Like, you know, the kinds that you see in the bed of a contractor truck. They're just big,

49:53big toters. Yeah. And he had he had bought it that morning at Walmart. I remember I said he went to Walmart. But he put Kelsey's body inside of that and drove to his mother's ranch for Thanksgiving dinner. And get this. He actually complains to Crystal that he had to sit through dinner knowing Kelsey's body was in a box in the back of his truck. He said, I have this quote somewhere. He said, quote, do you know how awful it is to have Thanksgiving dinner with your family? Well, Kelsey's body is in a box in the back of my truck. And quote, my God, he murdered the mother of his child and complaints about how inconvenient it is for him. What a sleaze bag audacity here is mind blowing. It is the cockiness and just the arrogance off the chart. So according to what Crystal told investigators, after she arrived at his ranch, Patrick carries this tote over to a burn pit. He douses it with gasoline and motor oil. And he burned it along with everything inside it. Pillows stuffed animals that had been gifts for Kaylee from Kelsey's family, like books,

50:55the tooth, all the cleaning supplies that Crystal had used like he burned it all. His child's toys. Nothing or no one else matters at this point. So he then gives Crystal Kelsey's phone, her purse, and her car keys. And he tells her to drive back to Idaho with the phone turned on so that the phone would ping on towers along the route, making it look like Kelsey was traveling. Somebody watched CSI because there's no way he's smart enough to figure that out of her own. Well, but yeah, exactly. I mean, he was trying to make sure his bases were covered, but he'd still screwed up. Good. And he told her to send a text from that phone. And that's the text we mentioned earlier, the one from Kelsey asking, do you even love me? And Patrick responds, wouldn't I go, like would I go through all this if I didn't? He's building a paper trail of a woman who was still alive and like talking to people and communicating when she wasn't. Exactly. So on this drive back to Idaho, Crystal disposes of the purse, burns the phone, which investigators would later recover a charred circuit board from it. And she gave Kelsey's gun to a friend in Idaho to get rid of it.

52:01And to note, that friend was eventually found and the gun was recovered. Wow. Now, here's the thing. Crystal Lee is telling investigators this absolutely wild kuku banana story. And investigators want to believe her, but Crystal, at this point, isn't exactly trustworthy because she had already lied to the FBI once. She initially lied about not even knowing, Patrick. She had been part of three assassination plots against Kelsey. She drove to Colorado and cleaned up this murder scene. So prosecutors need to corroborate every single bit of her story that they possibly can because physical evidence is super thin in this one. And this is where the investigation becomes almost methodical in its brilliance because police go piece by piece trying to pick apart her story or at the very least match it to the evidence that they know exists. So they pull up the floorboards. Remember I was saying earlier about all these floorboards being being ripped up. This is, this is why because police initially thought that the worst of it was in the bathroom because that's where that blood smear was. But it turns out that the living room was where a lot of this

53:03happened. And they pull up these floorboards and they do find a significant amount of blood evidence under those boards. And it's only found because Crystal told them where they could find it. So that lens credibility to her story. And then there's surveillance footage. And this is where the timeline gets really damning for Patrick. So just after one 15 p.m. on Thanksgiving day, Patrick is captured on the Walmart surveillance carrying a baby carrier. And that was him shopping before heading to Kelsey's. And about 15 minutes later, a neighbor's security camera catches both Patrick and Kelsey together at her front door also with that baby carrier. So we know that they were together. But then around 330 that same afternoon, that very same neighbor's camera, it captures someone matching Patrick's description back at the residence, but this time there's no Kelsey and no baby. And that's the window that investigators believe he killed her somewhere between 1 30 and 3 30 p.m. that day. And then his phone also places him in Woodland Park. We said for hours on Thanksgiving,

54:06not at his ranch like he claimed to be. So digging into these phone records a bit more between Thanksgiving and early December, Patrick Frazier made 46 calls to Crystal Lee, not a single one to Kelsey. Like zero attempts to reach the woman that he had claimed had broken up with him and I'd go off somewhere to find herself leaving the baby. Like, come on, man. He never tried because he knew there was not going to be an answer. Exactly right. But this was the guy who put in all this effort to make sure every little every little minutia was buttoned up. Like having Crystal text him from Kelsey's phone. It seems strange to me that he would have just like wouldn't have just tried to pretend to reach Kelsey. See that cockiness is what kicked him in the ass. It did. It absolutely did. So after that after they're done at the house, they shut the camera off and they head over to the ranch. And she agrees to walk them through like where this burn pit was. So between then and now he had covered it up with dirt. So like the police get there and it was basically indistinguishable from the rest of the property. So like if she didn't lead them right to this burn pit, I don't know if

55:10they would have found it. We brought the tote here. We unloaded the tote. Okay. I got in his truck. I drove his truck back to the conico. All right. And got in the path. Okay. I left his truck at the conico. All right. I brought the path up here. Okay. I removed belongings from the trunk and put them into the burn. The fire's rolling at the time. Yes. Were you present when he started the fire? Yes, I was. Okay. At the leave yesterday, you said that you also collected wood input into the burn pit. Yes, I did. What about the accelerant? You know, that obviously does. Okay. And then he also turned motor oil. And just to clarify, the kills his purse and contents, you said that you had taken those out and threw those in. No, those went to Idaho. Those went to Idaho with the purse and its contents and sold the tighter. Okay. And those were burned

56:12where at my company. FBI response teams began. What was described as essentially an archaeological dig, sifting through the soil, through that burn scar area. And everything is pretty much gone. How do they do find a human tooth? Oh my god. And that's all that they've ever recovered of calcium. Yeah. Yeah. Our poor mom, like, that's not something a parent should ever have to know. I agree. Well, and to note, her DNA was too degraded from the fire to make a positive identification, but it was there in the exact spot that Crystal said it would be. So again, this is like, we don't have this treasure trove of physical evidence that we help for, but there's plenty of circumstantial evidence. Mainly the fact that Crystal Lee's story was standing up to the scrutiny at every turn. So on December 21st, 2018, Patrick Frazier was arrested at his ranch and charge with first degree murder. And his trial began in November 2019 in a 115 year old courthouse and cripple creek. It presented prosecutors with one of the most challenging scenarios that any

57:16DEA can face, a no body homicide, which are OG crime crew members will recall was the very first block we ever did back in July of 2024. June of 2024, six, four, June of 2024. That's what I said, June, you may pay attention, Melissa. I said, uh, I just want you to know that my password for certain things is mupato 604 24. Oh, why would you tell people that? Because that's I know our part of our free. So there was no murder weapon recovered. And the star witness was a woman who tried to kill Kelsey three times, lied to federal agents and cut a plea deal to avoid more serious charges. And believe me, the defense hammered Crystal on those things. I mean, she's not a very strong witness of moral character. And no, she's not. I feel like it would be very easy for Patrick's defense attorney to be like, yeah, she knew about all this stuff. She knew where the blood was. She knew the floorboards. She knew the tooth. She knew the burn pit because she did it. Yeah, that was

58:20the defense to me knowing all that means you were there. You did it. I don't know. It's all 100% true. I mean, in prosecutors, they had one more kind of absolutely jaw dropping piece of evidence. So while Patrick Fraser was sitting in the Teller County jail awaiting trial, he passes a hand written note to a fellow inmate asking him through some prison gang connection to kill some witnesses. And who was it? Who was at the top of the hit list? You ask? Crystal Lee, like he gave us her address, her ex-husband, her children. He referenced all these different things. And he reportedly asked for her to be set on fire. He listed prosecutors. He listed others involved in the case. And this part was awesome because when that inmate was released from jail, literally goes straight to the cops and it's like, hey, what is that say, though, that the inmate went forward to the cops, but Crystal didn't until she was caught. I know. I know. I thought about that. Yeah. She didn't want it either. She loved this guy or so badly manipulated by him or she was just

59:23she wanted to do anything she could to keep him. Like, who knows what was going on in her life. She had an ex-husband. I don't even want to speculate. But I suspect she was love struck. Patrick was a good looking dude. He was a very rugged cowboy Marlboro man looking guy. And if he showed interest in Crystal, some people are so desperate that you don't know what they'll do for love. So he not only complained about the inconvenience of like having his victims body on Thanksgiving, but now my soliciting is prison gay. Okay. Just making sure I got that right. Yeah. Yeah. You got it. You nailed it. Nice. My right. But that by itself becomes additional charges. So the jury, the jury deliberated for just three hours. And on November 18th, 2019, Patrick Frazy was found guilty of first degree murder, three counts of solicitation to commit murder, and tampering with a deceased human body. And this scumbag was eventually LWAT. LWAT. That's going to be hard song. That's going to be hard. LWAT. Life without the possibility of parole plus an additional 156 years for the other charges,

1:00:28which is the maximum sentence allowable. And in a surprise to no one, he has appealed his conviction. But in December of 2022, the Colorado Court of Appeals upheld it. So he is in prison and will die in prison, where he belongs. I mean, it will never be enough. It's something, but for Cheryl and her dad, it will never be enough. No. But I mean, this guy can't hurt anybody else. Can't manipulate anyone else. And for what? He threw it all away because he didn't. So I'm going to get into the motive in a second, but that's going to blow your mind too. So Crystal Lee, as part of all that cooperation that she helped police, she walked him through the crime scene, she walked him to the burn pit, all this stuff. In exchange for that, she gets a three-year sentence for evidence tampering, which is the maximum again allowed under that charge. That's some, you know, with the devil shit right there. It is. It really is. So the judge said that simply saying sorry wasn't enough. So she served that time and has since been released on parole. So she's out and about. She had so much time to fix that. And I understand she was meant like emotionally

1:01:32and everything manipulated, but you had 800 miles to drive back and forth. You could have called the cops. He couldn't have hurt you right then, right? Correct. Well, I want to wrap this up by telling you about little Kayley Barath, who was 16 months old at the time. And in the next room, when her father killed her mother, she was raised by Kelsey's parents. And in the year since the trial, people who have spoken out about Kayley have described this little girl who is energetic, she's intelligent, she's articulate, and she's thriving, which is all we can hope for in this. Because she is with people who love her and the people who loved Kelsey. And one of the prosecutors in the case, Jennifer Beaman said something in an interview that stuck with me, she said, quote, anytime that little girl Googles her mom, this is what's going to come up for the rest of her life. Kayley will know that her father killed her mother in a brutal and horrific way. And there's no way to protect her from that. It just breaks my heart and quote. That's really tough. And the fact that she can only hear about these memories, like you'll never see how great your mom was. Yeah,

1:02:34because you're living through stories with some kind of generations, third hand stories, you know, so it's a tough way to remember your loved one. So it's your mom. Now I have a question. You haven't really said the motive yet. Okay, so the prosecutor, this is just it's so heartbreaking, because it's so easily fixable. Like it's sobering, I guess. So she believes, and this is what the evidence supports that Patrick feared Kelsey would take Kayley and move back to Washington state. If they, I think they were breaking up. And if they went through a custody dispute, like that was his calculation. So kill the mother of your child rather than go to family court. Like that's who Patrick phrase he is. That just tells you everything you need to know. I guess I don't care why he cared about custody. Why did he care? Like and it's money money. Yeah, but I almost feel like Kelsey wouldn't have fought him for money. Like I feel like he could have signed his rights over like he didn't care when the baby was in the next room when he killed her mother. He didn't care that she would grow up without a mother.

1:03:35He cared about himself. So why? Right here. If she's going to take the baby, I don't get that. I don't know. And it's just I think the worst part about this is that Kelsey Barrow's body has never really been found. I mean, a single tooth is literally all that remains. Like her family has never had the ability to lay her to rest properly. And that is a wound that will never close. But what her family has, it's something that I think I would want if I were in their situation. And that's the truth. Like they know what happened. They know who did it. And they know how he will spend every remaining day of his life in a prison cell. So I mean, I guess that's some measure of just an end to this story. But yeah, not having Kelsey's rough. I do think it's kind of it's beautiful, though, that they have Kaylee, which is kind. It's like having a big piece of Kelsey. Yeah, absolutely. So I do want to close with talking about how Patrick was described by those who prosecuted Kelsey's case. Three words came up. The three C's, callus, cruel, and coward. That was Patrick Frazy. Callus for what he did to Kelsey and to his own daughter, cruel in the

1:04:40manner that he did it and a coward, because he chose to it instead of facing whatever was in front of him, he chose to do what he did and blindfold her. Oh, oh. Well, and Kelsey on the other hand, she was strong. She was accomplished. She was brave. Like her professional loan tells you that crash. She was training the Air Force. So this is an absolute ass. Absolutely. And on top of all that, probably the most accomplished, she was an awesome mother to this baby girl, who she absolutely adored. And that is how Kelsey Barrow should be remembered, not for how she died, but for who she was when she lived. And that was an incredible person. Well, T&G678, thank you for bringing us this case. And crime crew, if this one hit you the way it's hitting us, please consider sharing this episode. You know, the more we talk about this intimate partner violence, the more we can kind of normalize these conversations about this kind of manipulation. And yeah, that can in turn really go on to help someone recognize that those patterns in their own life before it becomes too late.

1:05:46Yeah, completely agree. And I feel like it goes on more than we know. I think that some people maybe they don't realize this isn't a healthy situation. Maybe their parents were the same way and they kind of fell into that pattern. And maybe it's not okay. It doesn't you don't have to pretend it's okay. And this guy played the role. He played the Ted Bundy. I mean, he was charming. He was charismatic. He was good looking. So that gets you a lot of places. Yeah. And he just, he was able to do these things. Well, I have no doubt that Kelsey's family will make sure that Kayleigh knows how special her mom was. I have no doubt. Oh, how's it downer? They're all downer. I know he's here every week, but just like. Yes, here's it. I feel like we need a palette cleanser. Absolutely. We do. I don't want to be critical, but this is very chewy. You're eating a hand toe. Just a cleansing my palate. What do you think of that? Do you like the movie bite? It's not as great as the LWOP song, but I'll take it. We're going to start introducing a little

1:06:48music buffers. So you know where where the palette cleanser started when it's time to relax and breathe. Yeah. And that way, if you don't want to hear us banter, you know, that's your Q exit stage left. It's true. But I love that clip. It's hilarious. It's what were we talking about before we came on that we don't remember? We were like, that's the conversation for banter. We were talking about the conversation you were having with your colleague, Kayla. Okay. So Ed came to our office the other day to hang because he lives like two seconds away. And he walked into our office, minding Kayla's office in the middle of a very important conversation. And it was about we we were discussing if you take every single person in the whole world, where are you on like the stupid chart? Like you're in the top 50 percentile of the stupid people or like the bottom, I guess that it like, I don't think you should call the stupid people. I think you got to be you don't want to you're not striving to be in the stupid people. The way you say that, you're like, are you in the stupid like you don't want to be there?

1:07:49Are you in the smart people? Are you in the smart 50 percent? That's what you want. Yeah. Okay. Are you in the smart or in the top like of everyone in the world? Where do you fall? Do you fall like with the top 50 percent of smart people or the bottom 50 percent of stupid people? And how do you Kayla brought up a good point? How do you do these tests on people that don't have even like some of these African tribes or some of the people that just don't have access? Like how do you get them a survey to find out how smart they are to begin with? We're going to airdrop scantrons and number two pencils. We have this all planned out. Don't you worry. We're going to figure out. I'm going to go ahead and make an educated guess that we're in the bottom. I don't think so. I feel like we know enough to fall into the top 50 percent. Maybe in the United States, we fall in the top 50 percent, but I don't feel like that's maybe the South East Pennsylvania. I don't know. I'd like, no, I'm just, you know, I think I'm just a realist. I think we're smarter

1:08:53than you think. I think when you compare, I think I need to work on my confidence level evidently. I think if you compare it to everyone in the world, we're top 50, but I don't know. What do you guys think? What do you guys fall in the stupid spectrum? Don't tell us where you think we fall. We know we fall. We know damn well. We don't need to reiterate. You know what? I rely on my looks. That's what that's what gets me. Well, then we're all screwed. Anyway, tell us where Ed falls with his looks. Oh god, don't don't don't don't don't don't. Well, tell us where you fall on the chart of stupidity. You know where you can tell us. You can hit us up on our website, www.murderonscriptedpod.com. Can tell us on social media at murder unscripted. And that's Reddit, Facebook, Insta, Blue Sky. Don't go on there though, because I haven't done anything, but do not get this. Yeah. Well, on that note, please remember to be safe, stay hydrated, and remember that perverts don't wear signs that say

1:10:00they're perverts. I was going to say they put shoes on donkeys, but then I remembered my own advice that donkeys don't wear shoes, but he's one of those barrier. I was going to say they fall at the bottom of the stupid category, but I don't want to be a pervert. So now I don't know what to say. Okay, bye. You're listening to a podcast right now, driving, working out, walking the dog. If you're into podcasts, chances are you have something to say too. With RSS.com, starting your own is free and easy. Upload an episode, and we distribute it to Apple podcasts, Spotify, Amazon music, and hundreds more. Track your listeners, see where they're from, and start earning from ads like this, even with just 10 listeners a month. If you've been thinking about starting a podcast, this is your sign. Start free at RSS.com.

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