Ep 694: SpiderOne & Krsy Fox

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3:14And welcome to another edition of The Movie Crips. I'm Adam Green. I'm Joe Lynch. This conversation you're about to hear was recorded on Monday, July 27, 2026. And of course, we always try to let you know when a conversation was recorded in case the world has changed since then. And you're like, what the fuck? Aliens landed. These guys didn't even talk about it. It's because they hadn't landed yet. Yes. This is such a fun episode, because I mean, we're really good friends with Spider-1 and Chrissy Fox, obviously. It's always nice to have recurring guests. They hadn't been on in 300 episodes. And together for the first time. So that was really nice. But a big baby, which at this point when you guys are hearing this is assuming has finished whatever theatrical run it was doing, it's got to be available somewhere right now. I think you'll hear them say, oh, that's coming. So by now, just look it up. At the very least, at the beginning of the year. At the OGOD at this point. Yeah. And again, we wish that we could just record an episode every week and release it that

4:15weekend and be that timely. But we were both under the impression we were leaving eight months ago. Not when this airs nine months ago. See what this is doing is this is telling us, let's just come up with a movie really quick, shoot it in the time that we have that we're not recording anything. And by the time we get to episode 700, we'll have a movie finished. Holy shit, our 700th episode is just one month away. And it's our Halloween episode. Oh, man. Because it's going to come out on October 26. Yeah, no pressure at all. And of course, Yorkython X, Yorkython 10, it will be the final Yorkython. We still don't have a date because of our production schedules. We don't know. Still always a hope it could be before the end of this year. But most likely at this point, we're probably talking early next year. All right, let's do it. Let's get to our conversation about Big Baby with Spider One and Chrissy Fox. So our next guests have actually been on the show before, but never together.

5:17We're bringing the bands. We're bringing the bands together now. If you want to hear one guest, that would be Spider One. You can listen to 474, I did the research. And over 300 episodes ago. But he was riding the co-tales of our other guest, Chrissy Fox, who is in episode 447. Wait, you are on before me. Hell yeah, I was. Why? What have you ever done? I made a movie before you, bro. Well, but, but, but, but, but, but, together. Yes. The co-tales. Yeah, exactly. The point is, this is proof that we are not the same person. Because sometimes people think if they don't see us in the room together, that... So whose car can't? Well, clearly you. What? Because of the hair. Yeah, so nerdy. Oh, wow. Sorry, Johnny. No, no, you know, I had this whole list before me. Whatever. Well, since what, 2022, these two guests have come together and formed the super group of horror that has made such films as allegoria, berry, the bride, little bites, and their latest

6:21film, which I would like to call Charlie Kaufman makes a slasher film. And that would be big baby. Please. Welcome to the movie crypt, Spider-1 and Chrissy mother fucker. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I still can't believe that I was not on the show first. What? I was like, I'm gonna see, and she did the sound design. What are the things, and you were the star, anything else? How dare you? You can't handle it. Wow. But I didn't know you did the sound design until the uncredits. Yeah. And I was like, oh, the sound design, this is really cool. This is really cool. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm the main producer. The direction was that. If you had best. Production stuff, all the stuff that nobody else wants to do, that was me. That was fun. No, I mean, we kind of do everything. Like, you know, we don't credit ourselves for a lot of existence in there. Yeah, we joke about the credits. If we just put every job we did on it, it would just be our names over and over. For my first movie, we made up fake names for crew because we're like, oh, this is amazing.

7:21Because there's nothing worse than seeing the same people or like 30 seconds of credits and that's it. Yeah. Or even worse, when they go really slow. We've done that too. Yeah. But that's because the movie was only like 78 minutes. And that's why. Yeah, because I mean, production design, although we had help on big baby, but production design, wardrobe, I'm usually just doing all that. Oh, like some of the, the effect stuff and like laying cement down so we don't destroy Barbara's backyard. Like, yeah, we're just doing like a lot of crazy, weird jobs. But that's what we do. But you guys have been doing movie, movie, movie. Like you guys have not stopped for years. Four years in a row. You would do it. It's very years when kind of very little was happening. Yeah. Just go, go, go, go. We honestly utilized that time. Like some people were like went into, you know, sort of a depression because it was a very depressing time. But for us, we're like, well, we're not doing music. We're actually home. We've been wanting to do this. Let's, let's see what we can get done. And so that's sort of where it started. And we both did an anthology first to like kind of see if we can make it through without,

8:25you know, COVID canceling the shoot. Or even killing each other or killing each other. Because that does happen. Not killing. Well, yeah. The collaboration part sometimes can be the hardest thing. Like Becca and I have worked together on a couple projects now and I'm still frankly shocked we haven't like murdered each other. But it is something that like, you know, and I've said this before, you guys are such an inspiration for us, especially because you make these movies that you obviously have a clear delegation of roles in a way, but it blurs as well. How did you, what, what was the first conversation that you had where you went like, let's do it together. Let's maybe not do it. But we want to make a movie together. We want to birth something else. I mean, I think we were already doing it together. I remember that. Yeah, that's a different show. Yeah. I mean, really it was, we were making things kind of already together, making some music videos, things like that. But I think the nice thing about us is we have like a generational gap.

9:25So like some of the stuff that has inspired him is different than me. But then there's a lot of like common ground. So it's kind of been nice because like he'll really listen to me about certain things. And then I'll, and also having the male female dynamic because he's like, oh, like I, you know, a lot of the female characters, maybe he'll turn to me. But then, you know, we just, we respect each other. So it's sort of nice. We do a lot of pre-pro. We talk about like, you know, if he's directing, what are the goals, what do you want? And then I just try to make it happen. We have a lot of meetings with our DP. So by the time we get to shooting, like we both are like 100% know what we're supposed to be doing. But what the day is, it's very scheduled. The actors already know what they're doing. So it makes it so we don't kill each other, honestly. Do you remember what the first conversation was about, Big Baby? Like where the idea came from? Well, I mean, Big Baby, if you go back to Alagoria, the, which the mask makes a, yeah. Yeah. So in Alagoria, which is the first thing I did, the super low budge, I guess everything's low budge, but that was very low budge.

10:26And in mythology, there's a scene where two of the characters watching a movie called Big Baby. And it's like the D D level version of Big Baby. But this is exactly what Carpenter did in Halloween where he put the thing in there in the, on the TV. And you're going, oh my God, he knew the whole time. That's why I like when I, when you even announced it, I was like, sweet, is this an off-shoot? Did you guys have this plan the whole time? I'd like to say, yeah, I know. I'd like to. So you put the legend and say, yes, yes, that's exactly. And from the beginning, but no, it was the opposite. I mean, at the time I was like, let me think of the dumbest thing I can possibly think of. And it was Big Baby. And shooting that segment was really fun because talk about it. We literally went out into the woods. Just us and my son was holding one, two, blight. And we had a super soaker, food with blood. And we just wanted it to be, look like it was made for $10. But then a funny thing happened. And then we came out and almost unanimously everybody who commented on it said, you've got to make a Big Baby movie.

11:26That was the best part of the movie. So the worst part of the movie was ended up being the best part of the movie in most people's eyes. And I thought, well, that's ridiculous. So I'm never going to do that. But then it just sort of kept, just kept getting mentioned and brought up. And then just like in the movie, Big Baby, when Kate suggests that he should write the movie, Big Baby, he's like, no, God. Dispel. And that's how I felt. And also the decision, I don't want to spoil anything. But if you haven't seen the trailer yet, let's just say Big Baby is about a writer who is struggling with writing something. And you leave it at that. Yes. Because you don't want to spoil things. But there's a choice that's made where at a certain point you start seeing slug lines on the screen. And the series, like, was that very script that you would see? Oh, yeah. That's all. Adam, it was in career. Of course it was in the script. Well, we went back and forth during the, if we actually physically show it or it's just

12:28his voice over the moment when I saw, when we saw the screening of it last week, when back on I were there, the second that you saw interior, you can feel the crowd going, oh, yeah. Yeah. Because the thing is like with you guys, you have taken various genres and made them your own. There hasn't been a, you haven't done your slasher movie yet. Right. And what I loved about it was that you not only got to do a slasher, but you also got to do something that felt very personal because that conversation where Kate is talking to, oh, God, what's his name? The other lead. Yeah. When he's talking to Adam about this, like, you should do this. We've all had that conversation with our better halves. Yeah. And you're going, oh, I can, but the second you go, and then Adam goes, like, I can elevate that shit. You can feel half of that room go like, yes, you can. 824, the shit out of that. For a movie that is exploring the process behind the writing process, the choice to put those graphics up when you did, it just, like, it's what sets it apart, I think.

13:31Oh, thanks. Other than a cool killer, a great mask, a good concept, good kills, but that part made it just. I mean, it is always a challenge. And whenever you're making movie based in a very specific world, like, and that you understand, you guys, and we all understand all these things, but how will that translate to general audience, you know, we've recently done a screening with Kevin Smith. I really like the small castle. But like his, like, if you watch chasing Amy, like the specific, specific, specific, specific species of like the dialogue to comic books, I'm like, I was recently rewatched. Like, who would ever get this other than like super comic book? But I think there's something really cool about that sort of looking into a world that you might not understand all the details of, be sort of get the emotional intention. But I think people do when they see the text online, they're like, oh, I get it. He's writing from a specific discipline, but it always, like watching the movie, it always fascinates me.

14:32Why are writers so intriguing to follow? You know, is it the fact that they are constant creators? Is it the fact that they are, you know, depending on the character, are they burdened with the creativity? And that's obviously what kind of manifests evil in a way. But like, why writers? Like why not other, you know, disciplines? Why not other professions? There's just something so right for me. Stephen King has been dining out on that for decades. But for the audience, I think who, the process of the person who creates these horrific things and these dark stories and stuff, that's interesting. Where did this come from? Who's the person who came up with this? And then you see what somebody who does that goes through, especially, again, I don't want to spoil the movie for people, but there might be a podcast in the movie. Oh, man. And that scene when he runs into him, it just, like, it feels like it's just something everybody has felt and wished. Yeah.

15:32They could have done that. Yeah. It's set up from the jump that, you know, like, it's funny, like when you watch filmmakers, you know that you're watching their movie and that first shot, because you guys are very controlled with your, like with your moments, you know, allegoria was obviously, you know, whether it was by necessity or by, you know, choice, leaving coverage longer and letting it hold on moments. And it's a dying art. I hate to say it, but everyone wants to just spray coverage. Yeah. And the fact that you held on that first shot, but then you're watching Adam as he's and as we're listening to the podcast too. And again, like it felt so we have been there. You have been there. Well, I'll tell you something about the, all that's that is by intention. That's just my, I just love that kind of stuff. But the crazy thing about that opening shot is that it is a, it is a slow pan out of him listening to the podcast, but the original, we had to cut that down. Oh, yeah. A lot.

16:33The original shot literally starts eyeballs. And then it goes like all the way. Yeah. Eyeballs full screen in that it goes, it's pans out to reveal a two shot of the, but it was just so long. Even for me, I was like, well, it was also like trying to make sure the podcast length felt good. Yeah. And the flow like we cut down some of that. There was, it was, it was also much leader. I mean, the thing is those podcasters in our film are horrible, but they are nothing compared to some stuff I've heard that we've all been part of anyone. Just receiving end of the criticism, the lack of, and it, and for me, I think I said this at the Q and A at the screening that it's, it's like, it's, I get more offended when they start going after my, my actor, sort of like crew or, you know, like me say, what do we want? I'm here. I'm pretty bulletproof at this point. He doesn't carry just right to movie about you. Yeah, just. Yeah. So go ahead. Hey, I've got the campaign brief ready, built from last quarter's data and the competitive

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19:39registered investment advisor. Investing involves risked a principle regardless of the strategy used. Has performance to snuck guarantee future results. But back to your original video, like why writers? Why are they so interesting? There's been so many movies about them. I think it is just that the creative process for writers done in such isolation is so ripe for insanity. It's you and the page and their characters. Whereas when you get to a director, it's sort of like, well, you're on set and everybody's around you. It's a madness for that chaos. It's still not. It doesn't come with the same kind of thematic gravitas that being in a room, even just some of the shots of, was that your house, by the way? Oh, okay. I just had it. It's a really cool house. We didn't even utilize that house. That house was so cool. It was so cool. It was like, we didn't even show half of it. It went up. It was called the Ford. It was like, up higher and higher. And then there's like a glass floor, like three stories up and you could stand on it. And there's like no railings on the stairs. Like, I wouldn't even let the crew go upstairs because I was like, someone's going to fall off the stairs. Yeah.

20:39But it was really awesome. But that that moment, like there's a couple moments where Adam is sitting at the table, at the, you know, at the end. And I, like, I've, when we were cutting suitable flesh, Becca was like, you cannot take work, work home with you. Like, don't because we have to delegate between work time and, you know, where we eat food and where we can just kind of chill out. Good for you. No, no, it lasted about six weeks. Okay. And then I was going like, then you'll have like an hour of shutting it off, but then it's right back. No, no, I'll wake up at, I would wake up at four in the morning, go, oh, I got this one idea. Or I can make this great edit. And it's tough to separate yourself from that, but seeing him at that table, and I'm like, God, I've been there where your surroundings become both your best friend and your worst enemy because you're, you're siphoning things off of that. And that was one of the things that I thought was, like Adam was saying, like that makes big baby a cut above the rest is that you took these two elements that you don't normally

21:40see together, which is, you know, the writing, you know, the writer's process and the dangers of creativity and a good old fashioned slasher movie, you know, I want to ask based off the latter, were there any particular slasher movies that you guys said, let's sit down, let's watch the prowler and, you know, and absorb shit. Um, you guys must have every slash. So we all we do is watch, I mean, we're probably like, yes, but we watch a horror movie like every night, to be honest. And I feel like in the slasher world, it's that's more of like my favorite type of thing. I feel like he likes certain ones, but I'm like, give me it all. I was a classy bitch. I want to follow him on a letterbox. Yeah. I'm sitting going like, whoa, oh, fancy shmanzi. Don't give me wrong. I let those do. You checked my lab. I think with a water park shark. So don't be, don't be so sure. I did see that and I saw that you were just trying to like balance things out. Listen, if there's a shark movie, we're watching it. It doesn't matter. So anyway, but yeah. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I've seen all of them, but we've seen all the big ones.

22:42So I didn't feel like we had to go back and research anything. But you know, the idea, I what what I, you know, I guess he has a bit of a Jason physicality to him and he's not like running around. You know, but you know, it's not like a giving away thing, but in the movie, he does speak. And I thought that that was something that we don't see a lot with. That is chilling to see. And his lips inside the big baby lips because it's colored, you know, it's lit very dark, but you know, atmospheric is if you will. Yeah, you can still see exactly the moment when he sits on the bed. Yeah. And that's one of the first times that I remember seeing the lips inside the lips and it was like an HR Geeger configuration where I'm like, wait, what, how is this happening? And his voice is perfect for it. How did you find him? He's, well, he was been in, he was in Barry the bride. He was in Barry the bride. Wait, which guy might he played the big guy first reveals? He's actually a fantastic actor too.

23:43And so it was nice to know like we can give this to him and he can really like him out. He also was in allegoria. He was the whistler. He put the whistler. So which was sort of the other short from allegory that was, you know, I suppose some, some level of inspiration for this. That was the one with the guys writing and yeah, character comes in and gives him notes. And, you know, so putting those two together kind of was, I guess the beginning of the big baby idea. Have you guys seen Pete's movie by any chance it's on Hulu? Pete's a movie, no. Oh my god. Oh my god. Really? Okay. We got the movie for you tonight. Okay. It's really funny. Also incredibly gory. Yeah. Okay. Come on. There's, there's, there's, come on. You guys have seen much worse. Okay. I mean, I'm excited. But the writers, Nick and the, the two guys who run direct them, sorry, I'm sorry, it's been a while. They take a swing in that movie towards the end where a character realizes he's in a

24:46movie and leaves to go address the writers. And you're like, oh man, the whole movie would stop. If you, it's one of those things on the page as a producer, you'd be like, no, no, no, I'm not right at the end of the, like, they fucking nail it. Nell it, nail it with the pizza movie. Just Pete's a movie. Yeah. It's on Hulu. Okay. Love it. You're gonna, it's on, yeah, it's, it's so good. And again, very gory. But when you're, when you're creating a slasher and you're shooting the movie, do you, don't you worry, oh man, this kill, I hope nobody's already done this exact thing, man, like it, because you can't see everything. I mean, there is one set piece. There's one set piece in particular that is like for the books, the pool scene. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was crazy because like, you know, you guys know this, but like for people who don't know, like that is Barbara Crampton's backyard. That is her pool. And it was so stressful. I was like, I'm gonna destroy her macular backyard that she's been all this money, like redoing it all.

25:48And she's like, it's fine. You know, just like, that was a good Barbara. Okay. And then I was just a basket case. But we shot that and I edited the movie and, you know, I'm always one pushing for more gore. And I'm like, look, we're making a slasher. He's writing a slasher. He's gonna want to go far with this. So I kept, and then once I cut it, I was like, you know, maybe we could do a pickup. And he agreed. He's like, yeah, we could go further. So we actually ended up adding to it, but we didn't want to destroy Barbara's yards. We did go back, but we did all the extreme blood in our driveway. And we just cheated it and just destroyed our neighbors. So you just got, you got, oh God, who played the victim? Catherine. Catherine. Catherine. Yeah. You just reached, like you just did inserts at your place. Yes. Yeah. I would have never guessed. Yeah. Yeah. That's the fun stuff. I'm sure you've all done this. That's every adventure movie. It's so fun when you nail it. So we were in, yeah. So obviously we shot most of the wides and stuff and a real pool. So you're getting that reflection off the water.

26:49And so now we have to recreate that in our drive. That's so fun. Broken glass and water. So yeah, it was just like a pan with some water and a blue light re-flangled up on our end. And it was, you know, there were plants there, but we didn't have the right plants. So we would have never just go to Home Depot and keep the background soft. Yeah. And you can't fucking tell. Yeah. And that stuff is so fun when you get to do that. And you're like, oh my God, we did this. You know how you can tell their obviously inserts in the hatchet movies? Whenever you see the Vittacrali's hand, just, you know, the hatchet comes up, blood sprays off it. It's so obviously not cane otters. It's Robert Pentegraff didn't even bother putting dirt on. It's just pink skin. Yeah. Oh my God. It's like, who's it? Nobody cares. Nobody knows. No, I mean, honestly, the axoncer's Adam wasn't there for that or because I was the ax in her, in her chest started to ruin that, any of that. But yeah, and then he did. I was doing all the chopping of the leg. Yeah. And he like, I started to feel a little nauseous after like, it's a good, it's good.

27:49Wait, was that little shop of gore that did you know, yes? Yeah. Man, they know how to do great body parts. Yeah. Well, I met Ryan doing Terrafar 3. He was doing all the, he was on set with us all the time. Like he was doing all like the blood tubing, all the bodies and stuff. And he was just so awesome. And I was like, you know, we're about to shoot a slusher. Like are you guys available? And so he, they nailed it. The heads were incredible. Yeah, heads were really good. All the full, her whole body was like, it's crazy. I mean, it's physically at slasher world right now. If people want to go check it out and take pictures with it. But yeah, we were like, it was the first time we'd ever gone back and had it stuff for a movie. And I think it was, and to your point, like about thinking about it, like, I didn't want to get into like a pissing match, like trying to like, we got up, you know, because it, to me, it's not that kind of movie. You know, I mean, I think it's in what we found in a lot of screenings, which thank god so far, like a lot of people are appreciating the dramatic aspect of it, which is nice to hear. So that's what, that's what this has going for.

28:50It's not just a slasher movie. There's a lot more to it. But when we did get a cut together, we were like, yeah, we got to do a little more. It, not to compete, but just it felt like it needed the balance. And so we added the Catherine scene and then the, the Chaz scene, which would all be one of the, yeah, favorite scene in the movie. One of the best scenes. We, that was not even, I rewrote the whole, we had shot it. An entirely different scene with Chaz. Yeah, a dog in that one. Yeah, I just dumped it. I was like, it's not, it's not great. So I just rewrote a whole new, different scene, yeah, for it. We wouldn't shot that in a day. But that, that's one of the benefits of that idea is that you could just insert these lights of fancy or like these passages in his script. Yeah. To be set pieces. That's, to me, that's where like having that, I guess you can call it meta in a way, but the fact that you've created, you've taken the process and made that the impetus for these people getting killed. Not, we got a bunch of different people that have never been friends before. All shoved into a truck and go off into the Anorondacks and then they come out.

29:54And then you basically dispatched them from there here. I mean, even the fact that you had Luke Barnett, like just show up, the wordless, shows his mustache, fucks off. Yeah. Well, he was so funny. He hit me and he's like, I really want it. I really want to do like, I hear it about the movies. I could love to do something. I'm like, I'd love to have you in it, but I'm like, we already cast the whole thing, but there is this one little cameo and because it's you, do you want to just calm and he's like, I never do something this small. I'm like, but it's you and it's a cameo. It's cool. And he's like, sure. Yeah, he literally took a drag off of cigarette and drove away. And then same with we had Tracy. You get to come back for take two? Yeah. No, it only took one turn. Yeah, no. I think. We only get one. Yeah. But he did awesome. And then, you know, we had that Tracy Toms and David Howard Thornton and like all these, from a Cormick, I was like, hey, like we need the first girl, like, you know, and they were all just like down to come up with that. Well, that's a benefit of those kill structures. I need you for a day. Yeah. Or half a day even sometimes and it's like, oh, fuck yeah. Cool. You know, so. And then yeah, you can create just whatever. It could have been anything like, oh, let's have somebody, you know, on a hike or have

30:54somebody. There was no narrative. Yeah. That you had to worry about. Yeah. So it's really fun to just make them very random so that we could deal with two people on a date and awkward date. Yeah. Chaz, the lonely boy in his bedroom, we looking at praying for another season of Battle Star Galactica, that you probably heard me laugh louder than anyone else. I do that myself, every night. So that battle Star Galactica spoke to you. So say we all maybe, maybe this movie will bring it back. And sight. Yeah. So who's the Battle Star Galactica fan? Well, that was, I mean, I just seen the Portland, India and the funny thing is I, in my mind, I'm thinking of like the 80s Battle Star Galactica. Oh. You know what? I have to forget it. I have to. I have to. I have to. Falling in love with the more modern one. Yeah. I bought that box out of the original and I'm like, maybe I'll like it and get, no, no, it's not good, but that was, that, I mean, that's even, but it could be either whichever whatever you're entry point into. Yeah. Yeah. I just think it's, I always, I don't know why Battle Star Galactica for me is just like always a punchline. Like I just, just saying Battle Star Galactica.

31:54It's a fun way to say it. Because Star Wars still has respectability to it. Star Trek still has respectability to it. Battle Star. Yeah. There's a subset of people who are like, oh, it's the West Wing in space. But everyone else, when you say it, 80% of the people still think of the silence from the 80s and all the robes and shit. I think if you don't try to like, don't put a lot of your geek card right now. Oh. Yeah. Little dog. And I, yeah, I think on every May 4th, I usually say like happy May 4th. And I always put up a picture of the Battle Star Galactica just to make people. People get so mad about stuff like that. It's like my star. We're sure it's a Star Trek. Yeah. That guy has the same way. And people get so pissed. They're like, hey, wait a second. You're messing with IPs there. That's like, no, that's not allowed. Can we, I want to talk about the music. Because both of you are musicians. Both been in bands forever when you're approaching the score for one of these things. Whether it's somebody else, you guys contributing a little here or there.

32:54How do you approach that? Because it's got to be hard in a situation of we're going to pass this off to someone else because you must have very strong opinions when it comes to that. I met your composer, Alex Taylor. Alexander Taylor, yeah. No, I mean, honestly, we always like to finish the movie first before we decide who makes most sense. And we'll usually have them do a scene or two. But I am psychotic and I spend a lot of time that is half the time wasted putting in temp music that we will often really love. And sometimes we do use it. And we have used it completely in other movies. But we knew we were going to get an outside composer for this one. But then I'll have certain with him, I'll be like, listen, you can try some creative things here. But I really want you to do something like the temp for this. And you know, I really like that. You're just seeing what the melody is. You're like, it's neat like this. I literally put full music in there. So it's very... Depends on the movie too. You know, like obviously, so with little bites being like a 70s vibe, it's very like, we need something very 70s and very, you know, almost like a weird 70s TV movie you would

33:58have watched and freaked your... Like one of those old ABC TV movies. Yeah, like I just... They're like organic inspiration. They're just so like unnerving. Big baby was a little different because there was so many ways you could go. You could go traditional orchestration. You could go lean into the... I didn't want to lean into the slasher since, you know, since Wayne Philan. Yeah, so it... For me, there wasn't like a obvious clear path for the music for this one. So it was interesting to see what would go... Like, yeah, we attempt a lot in, but see what he came up with and... Yeah, I think like the moment I really was like... Because when we first see Big Baby walking through the store looking for his mask, it's like kind of feels like very... Like the 80s and the kind of thing. And I was like, K cool. You know, and then I would just always push him. I'm like, I want that music to come back in this transition, but slightly different. And so yeah, you just, you know, we talk about it a lot. I'm probably more annoying than Spider. Spider-B-B-Yeah, it feels good. No, but I need a little bit more because this...

35:01I don't know, I'll get like... Did that's the editor and knew that's going, oh, there's that Jake Cut. I really got a fix and you sleep, you can't sleep that night. Oh, I fully dream. I edit in my dreams. It's awful. It's like... I was talking about this yesterday. It's like torture until it's done. And then... Such a weird process, you guys know when you're making a movie and... It's certainly the edit. Because when you're shooting, I think when you're on set and you're looking at the monitor, I think, I don't know, we all go like, this is fucking great. Yeah, we know this. You know like this, we know it. And then you start cutting it. And there is this, I think, early process where you're like, oh my god. Oh no. This is not working. Like, it seems so perfect on set. But it's so awkward when you see that first. And then it, but then it slowly, we massage it and this and that. And then, and then knowing when it is, at least for that moment, it's done. It's just, it's almost like a, it's not a mental, it's a physical thing where you just feel like you watch the scene and you go, oh, I don't have anything else to say about

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38:07Usually at least I find, even though I understand what I'm looking at when it's an assembly and when it's like that's obviously not it. It's just putting stuff where it might go. But there's just this thing once the editor has had just a little time to smooth out the sound of like the dialogue. 100%. Because otherwise we say this all the time when people send us their short films. Like you shouldn't have even shown this to anybody until you fixed that. Yeah. Because if every cut the audio is going. Yeah. Or just hearing the edits. It's you can't get me to you. Keep like so there is this other even though we all know what's happening. Or what hasn't happened yet. It's still so awkward. Even for the editor. It's like. Oh yeah. No, I don't honestly like the last two movies I've been really lucky because he left right after we wrapped and went on tour for a month. So I didn't have to show him anything to. I wanted to ask what that you got to. Yeah. And so like I could send it to him with like temp sound effects like like music and I could

39:09like I'll do a little color. And so I felt like by the time he saw it he could be like, oh, like he never had to freak out. You know, like though you're on tour your way from home, you're performing and then you're getting clips here. I mean, it's exciting when it's and it usually is either I think it's great or close. I'm maybe it's just easy to please. I don't know. I don't know. You're really good. Make the same movie. So I mean, we have an advantage where it's not like we shoot the movie. And here you go, Joe or Tim or whoever go edit this and then it's like, we're sort of already they by the him we're actually editing. There's been a lot of conversations had a lot of thought a lot of you know, so it's sort of like it's not like having to explain like no, no, no, no, this is supposed to be like this. We cut this way too quick. And generally like she gets it super close and then we'll just start, you know, going back and forth on some nuances and think. To meet that line. Does that go, you know, normally. Whenever possible, the editor starts putting stuff together on like day two of the shoot.

40:11They're kind of going and letting you know we don't have any time. You're the lead of the movie or one of the leads of the movie. So you had to wait until you were wrapped. Well, the one thing I do do, which is insane, is I'll get home at the end of the day and have like a few hours to sleep before I have to go back because I'm also the producer. I have to make sure there's lunch the next day, you know, all the stuff, but I will watch the footage and just to make sure that we have it. And I feel like I'm like, okay, and I don't have to freak out because once in a blue moon, I'll be like, I don't know if like there's a weird transit. We need this or we got to make sure we get it while we're shooting. So I will do that. We also make these movies so quickly. I just say dare I ask how many days it was 13 and then a few days longer than what you guys are. It was like luxury. Yeah, it was well, but it seemed like little bites was 12 days, but little bites was a much simpler movie. Yeah, it was mainly one location. This was a to do this so quickly was a lot like because you're, you know, it's a lot of different locations, a lot more camera. We did like the first three days were the big effects, the big stunts.

41:14Like we just killed everybody right in the beginning, but I'm like, but then we get to go live in the house and live in the relationship. And it'll, so that was nice. Like, you know, to get that done, but we're just, you know, it was crazy. There was, I think, 11 locations, 27 actors. We had full stunt rigging. We had like, you know, and we had 13 days. So it was madness. We were doing company move. It halfway through. I can believe because I didn't realize I didn't realize how many days I thought I think someone in the audience or something like that was like, this is 10 days shoot. But then I'm seeing all these different moves. And people don't, if you're watching the movie and you're looking at the process, you're not watching the movie. Yeah. And for us to not be able to separate ourselves from the process. Right. So there is always a little bit of me that's going like, okay, there's probably a company move there. And they probably, you know, they were only able to get three shots over here before they had to flip the world on the other side of the stairs. And the light was probably getting lost when Catherine was there.

42:16Like I'm always breaking. It's so hard to separate yourself from it. But there were so many times where I'm going like, I don't know how they did this. I really don't know. Honestly, the only reason is because the same crew, we know, I know, I know, I know, my crew. So I'll know I can schedule to the minute, like I know when we can get our days. But I know exactly I'm like, this is going to take them way extra time. This is not our schedules or like tight. Like often we can pick stuff up, which no one can barely ever do that. And like, we were also the first AD. Yeah. Like yeah, we actually have one. Yeah. So yeah, in Holliston, we never had one. I had one on little bites, but it didn't really help me. It was not. Well, sometimes something is so contained. It's almost easier to not have a lot of people on set. So it's not like, you know, we, depending of course, it's the big effects day. But I mean, I would say we average between all the talent. This is maybe 10 or 15 people. Oh, yeah. So that's not a lot of people too.

43:16But everybody's important. Everybody's important. And there's not a single person standing around doing nothing. I don't want that. I don't want people chatting when we're trying to get something done. Like no one else in our crew does either. Like they're like, no, we're here to work. They believe in the movies we're doing. They want to be there working. And like that's when I care. Someone had told me once that the bet that you know the best quality of a crew when there's a shitload of crafty still left. Yeah. Because no one has time to go over and sit there and eat red vines and go like, one's lunch. You know, like no, everybody has a job. Yeah. And there's nothing that's better than having everyone feel like they've invested into it. And they should be. Yes. Yeah. I think we've, some of the biggest components we ever get are for, when someone steps onto one of our sets and hasn't worked with us before. And it's like, this is the smoothest running, most pleasant thing I've ever done. And we hear that all the time because there's no fighting, there's no screaming, there's no arguments, there's no, you know, we're prepared.

44:19If I can give myself credit for anything, it's being like, I don't get stressed out. I don't, I know what I want. And I can make it. Not getting stressed out. I think it's a must have been a point where you did get stressed out. I think it's a whole, you know, getting older is one thing. Like if I was making movies when I was 20, maybe it would have been a different, I mean, it's the same thing with the, get all of your life experience. Well, the band is the same thing. Like, I mean, I've never been like a, you know, screaming lunatic, diva, front man. I've always been pretty, whatever about everything. But what I was 28 in my microphone didn't work. I might throw it and smash it and storm off the stage and get me another one. Now, just laugh. Like, I don't know. Next up, you know. Yeah, exactly. And I, and I, and I, there are younger bands that come out with us and they're like, man, you nothing fucking rattles you, dude. Like nothing, you know, my butt will be on fire on the side of the road. And we got two hours to make it to the shit. And I'm like, what's the worst is going to happen? Although when he did have meltdowns, that was some of my favorite things ever. There's videos if you guys really want a deep dot.

45:21But so unsat, it's also like, hey, I'm making a movie. Like this is so fucking cool. And I try to remind like on tougher days, like that's what I say to the crew. I'm like, remember? And this is never going to happen again. Yeah. Like this is so fucking fun, man. We're making a fucking movie. Can you believe it? And then, you know, Heather Langenkamp shows up. And all my, the crew is like, holy fuck. You know, you know, he gripped Danny every time there's someone like Barbara Heather. He's got the shirt on with like their movies. It's so excited. It's awesome. And I think that is the, and we'll see where it goes after how many movies and years. But to still hang on to that like fandom facade of you. I'm so scared of losing that. I really am. Because this industry beats it out of people. I think the, I mean, you know, and making your, making movies like us fully independently in doing 50 job is not for everybody. But if you can do that, I think it makes it easier to not get hateful and jaded because

46:26you know, someone pulls the rug out from a new or the finance or this or some producers coming down in you for something a creative or you're forcing a casting on you and you don't want it. We don't have any of that. Like we just go. But everything, yeah, let's go. Let's do it. Every trial and tribulation that you just named are human based. Like it's other people coming in. And forcing you to compromise or making you have to add a cast member or you can't do this, you can't do that. It's not like the weather sucked or we just can't get out there because it's too like the fact that you guys have been able to retain this kind of creative control is so envious because the second that you start like building off of that 15, those 15 people or whatever, you know, your investor who entrusted you into this without having seven different subsidiaries and a foreign market salesperson and all these other things that we'll all want to weigh in on things. And then now it's not, you know, the cinema gods, it's people and sometimes ego and it

47:31just kind of ruins, it ruins the broth. What you guys are getting to do is be artists and then when you have your product, then the business part starts. And what you're saying is what most of us deal with is the whole thing is a business to these people. And look, when you say like this one's coming down on you and that, these aren't like, they're not decks. They're doing what they think they need to do. Sure. There's always, there can be decks everywhere. Wow. I deck everywhere. I mean, we were talking about movies. Oh, sorry. No, but like that to be free of that. I think it would be really hard. And you know, we'll do it at some point for sure, but to have like all of those cooks and not have like final cut or just be able to like, I just don't want to take the art out of it. At least for what we're doing, it doesn't mean we won't do movies with other people that maybe that changes. But like I think our little bubble is so nice to be in it. It's really works. Yeah. I love that you keep making stuff.

48:31You know, in the idealistic plan in my mind is if we make enough of these and there's a certain level of success, then when if it does go to a different level where ultimately it is going to involve more people and more cooks in the kitchen that we will have a little more power in that because we've proven. Yeah, there's more track record helps as opposed to being plucked because I made a cool short. And now I'm directing Iron Man 5 and I have like no say in anything and I'm fucked. You know, I feel like you pick people because you like what they did and there aren't. So it's just like let them do that. You would do that. I know. I think about it like a little kid sort of still and I never want that to change because I'm like, well, I don't know. I don't have to love every movie but I love if someone else loves their movie. That, you know what I mean? And that makes me so happy. I'm like, cool. Then you're doing exactly what you need to be doing and keep doing that. It's funny. I see so many people on there's so many people online, Instagram, writers, directors. They're all going to give you their advice on the way you're supposed to do something. And I think they're like, there is no one way.

49:33There are a thousand ways to succeed and to fail. And you have to, you have to analyze your own place, your own life to what path makes the most sense for you. Some people, their path was that they were in the mail room at some big agency at 20 and they worked their way up and they did this and then they found their path that way. You know, and there are other people that are, you know, went to film school and didn't or nepotism or had a lot of money or whatever. And there are other people that had to just take it, you know, punk rock style. And I'm like, we did. We didn't have. Yeah, they'd take their band in a band. That's what you do. And how old are you? How much time you got? Like, you know, like, I don't have the luxury of like, well, fuck me. And I'll get to it in 10 years, you know. And so you just have to like look at yourself and go like, what makes the most sense? And for us, this makes the most sense right now. Yeah. And everything you just said that we've been saying for almost 700 episodes now, everybody, like the, what we always hope is people will listen to each person's individual story,

50:38what their path was and then just think about that. But you can't do exactly that. No. No, like again, 700 episodes rarely will you hear two people say the exact same way they did it. But next week's episode, if things stay scheduled like we think. Whoa, it's superman. Holy shit, you see that? Wow. You'll hear the opposite of almost everything that has been said and it all worked. But it's like, how did you find, I don't want to spoil it. But when I ask him, how did you find the financing for your first movie? When you hear the answer, you'll go, are you fucking serious? And it worked. Yeah. It's one of the, it's such a great great conversation. But it's so true, everybody has to find a different way. There's no book that's going to list. You do this, you do this. And I think that's one of the hardest things about this career is there is no corporate ladder. And isn't I go to this school? I get this job for this many years and then I get promoted. You have to prove on your own.

51:39If you think that you're going to get to a point in your life where you go, I did everything right. Yeah. What happened? And a lot of us do that where like that's where a lot of middle-life crisis has come from is like, I've had sex. I've read enough of it. Premier magazines and watched enough goddamn commentaries. I did everything that they did. Why doesn't it happen for me? Right. I mean, yeah. And honestly, the way we do movies is definitely not for everybody. It's, you die. Like you literally want to curl in a ball and die every day, but you also have fun. It's so hard. It's never been more fun than it is now. No. For sure. It's like, again, back to the band analogy. It's like, you want to be playing stadiums. You want to sell millions of records. When I look back on like the power man 30 years, like honestly, like it was probably the most fun dragging that shit into the rat's scalar, you know, and like rehearsing in the, in, you know, by Fenway Park at some old factory. But we've talked like, did you ever play bleachers in Salem the huge. I'm sure.

52:40I'm sure. I'm sure. I'm sure. I'm sure. You know, we play everywhere. But, but so like the movies would be the same thing. I think that like, you know, yes, of course, the go, man, make big movies that are making $100 million at the box at blah, blah, blah. But we will look back and be like, but it was never really more fun than, you know, it's fall in America. Make it count at the Ram Drive into Fall sales event. Make it powerful with our strongest Ram 1500 ever. Make it move with the Ram Heavy Duty with an available Cummins diesel and make it go to distance with a 10 year or 100,000 mile powertrain limited warranty. Hurry in now for great deals during the Ram Drive into Fall sales event. Excludes fully electric vehicles applied to 2026 model year vehicles non transferable. Visit MoPar.com for complete details on a copy of the powertrain limited warranty. Come and visit registered trademark of Cummins Inc. Ram and Hemi are registered trademarks of FCA, US LLC. Oh my God, no. This way. Talking about that though, like Paramann just this like this last year and the year before,

53:41watching all the photos you were posting videos on Instagram and these huge festivals and huge crowds and everyone is singing every word. 30 years on, that must be insane. Yeah, I mean, I never would have thought it. Like, I mean, just, you know, especially with a band, you don't, you're not thinking career, you're thinking, oh, this is fun. And maybe this will last six months. How long will they let me do this for before they figured out? And I just keep pushing the goalpost further and further, you know, it's a time when you're like, oh my God, if I'm going to band with a 30 fuck. You killed me down. Loser. And then it's like, well, you know, 35 is still pretty young and then 40. Then, you know, and you just keep, and then the trend comes around again. We were like, oh my God, we're in a stalled you porn. Well, that happens too. When I think I start thinking, well, maybe it's time to, you know, the farewell tour and then all of a sudden, everyone loves the 90s and the new metal is fucking cool getting you're like, oh no. Yeah, there's people coming to the show. Just when I got out. Yeah, exactly. It's just like, I guess with another tour, you know, let's keep going.

54:42But I had a question watching, and I kind of feel this way every time that I watch one of your movies. I always wonder, based on the discipline, the way that you make films, the kind of thematic setter behind it, the kind of visuals that are behind it. And have you guys ever discussed or thought about shooting on film? I mean, I wish, but I feel like it's the cost. Honestly, it's a challenging thing to do. I mean, it would have to be the right movie. We would never say never. I would love to. I don't. Cost-wise, I know that's one thing, but there's also, because considering that when people started in the 90s talking about short ends, you know, okay, I have 100 feet, that's it, you know, like, or we always joke about like, and this has happened all the time, like, where you would, when you hear the film going through the camera, there's something exhilarating and terrifying at the same time. And it fuels everybody. Everyone gets off their ass a little bit more. They move a little faster.

55:44They go like, there's not going to be a take three. There's two takes. Well, so basically we must have been shooting on film this whole time, like, if there was anybody who could apply that discipline of absolute necessity and being completely prepared, like, I, honestly, I think one of the worst things that could have happened to film in the last 15 years is Judd Apatow. Not for the comedy, but for him going, we just turn the camera's on and just lit shit roll. You know what, if Jason Seagal wants to go off for 10 minutes on a roll, let him do it. Hey, you just edited a movie. Would you appreciate that? Getting four months off. You know what I mean? No, no, I would be so angry. It's unfair. Because he makes it work, man. It's red, so it's bad. I mean, it's amazing. Yeah. I'm not saying that now. Like, you know, there was one actor on Suitable Flesh who was just like, let's just keep rolling. And I'm like, no, see, you're setting a bad precedent because now you just think that, and I'm also saying this, I literally turned into the camera and said to Becca, I'm not

56:46letting that happen. Yeah. Because she was back at the Airbnb, furiously trying to keep up with us. Yeah. And she saw that clip. She's like, thank you, God. Thank God. Because there's nothing worse than going like, oh, just keep rolling back to one. And then you like, it's just a different mojo. But if you have that discipline, why not? There are moments though shooting digitally where you only need, I just need you to pick up the glasses again because it was soft for the camera and to not have to cut and go in and going again and then everyone has to talk about it just to be like, everyone, stop, stop, stop. Okay, put it down and grab it again. Good. Yeah, I mean, having never shot on film and not in also being the kind of director that I'm learning, but I'm not like, you know, what are you? What lens do you, I don't really know all that. No, and I'm getting like I'm starting. So I feel like I would be starting from zero with film. But obviously you depend on your DP to have all that knowledge and experience to do. You guys ask a lot of questions on set when like, why did you use that light or why

57:50the of your DP? Because I'm always doing. Oh, I always know about the year. He's trying everything for us. But I'm like, what camera is he saying, oh, if you're going to do that, we're swapping cameras because you want to, what is it? Send me an example on, make sure, like, I'm, I'm, I'm paying in the ass about that. He's just like, he knows that I'll be, do that. So he doesn't have to think about that stuff. I'm like, I want him to focus on it. For me, it's not just, it's just a, you know, some people like math and some people don't. And I feel like being a gear head is, or it's, it was same with a band back to that. Like, be like, what, what, what, what's the head your guitar player use? I don't fucking know. Like, how many, how many bed are the bed for 15 years? Like, I don't, I, you know, it's, it just doesn't interest me. I want, I'm interested. How does it sound? How is it blending with the other guitar? And the, so the same thing on set, I'm not necessarily fixated on what, what, what lens are we using? What is, you know, what, what bulb is that? Is that, does it make sense that all come together cohesively as one?

58:50And again, after making a few movies, I'm, I'm being able to understand that. Outside of it, but it's never been in interest of mine, you know, and I feel like there's some, there is some level of that that works when you're not thinking in a technical way, because then I can just sort of ask that of somebody else with that expertise and, you know, explain it either through words or pictures or, you know, and I think the same is true for, you know, I always get, I always get anxiety when I hang out with you guys, because you're both so, you know everything about movies and you remember everything. And I am horrible. I don't know. I'm starting to forget you. No, I can't. And so, I, which is really funny, because a lot of times with, we'll put a movie out and somebody, obviously, he stole this from such and such of it. I'm like, googling like what the, I've never seen that movie. Like I don't know what that is. What is Texas change on massacre?

59:50You know, that happens to me a lot where, you know, I don't become so obsessed with all the detail and knowing every second AD on this movie. And so, I get accused of, of maybe borrowing or being influenced by things that I've never even fucking heard of, you know, which is, I sort of take as a couple and maybe get them like, well, maybe like mine's just stick like. Yeah. Yeah. No, and I'm like, I know every single person who's ever worked on every one of our movies and how to spell it. Oh, I'm talking about arm movies. I know, I know that. I was saying, you know what you're saying. What was the first feature you edited? First feature, it was mine. It was that film Frank. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I forgot you edited that too. Yeah, I've edited everything we've ever done. The cool thing is, is like the very first thing we did was the short film that I did call What the Spell. And I assembled this crew.

1:00:53And it was crazy because like a few days, or it was like a week before we shot it, the DPI had hired bailed on me. And I was like freaking out because I had never really like directed something narrative like this. And I was like, oh my god. And I picked the DPI. And then Andy, our DPI came along and was suggested. And we have this conversation. And he's like, oh, yeah, my favorite movie is Mandy. I'm like, okay, you're going to be fine. This is going to be great. That's a very good one. Yeah. But literally hosts every screening of Mandy that happens around the world. I don't blame you. I love the movie. But the coolest thing is, since that short, we still have the exact same crew for all of our movies. And so whether it's that kind of shorthand, I'm so envious. Like that is, that's precious commodity. Because if you think about it, how many minutes do you save a day when you're shooting? Because every minute counts. But how many minutes do you save on not having to worry about like, will that person know what I want? Will they know that lens? I mean, Andy knows you well. No, he knows he's learning about what I'm going to like it. What I'm not going to, he won't even bother setting up something to suggest.

1:01:56Because he'll all know like, dude, it's your profile shot that I never want to use. So let's not even, you know, so he don't even put it there. Yeah. Yeah, you know, so well, you know, like if you put avocado on the food, the key grip's going to freak out. Like, you know, you just know everything. And it's great. And the key grip flips out and he's going to need to walk away, which means that that lights not going to move. Sorry, Danny. I mean, 30 seconds that you could have had for that could have given you another chance. And having a relationship with these, this crew that you can be politely like honest with them. Yeah. Like we're done guys to be able to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like, okay, you know, I'll say you guys at the top of it, you can't just agree to something because you don't want to hurt someone's feelings as your thing. No, 100%. And I think they, they, we have such a different personality, but also kind of the same it. I think like, you know, they know I'm going to be like, okay, we know we got to move, we got to move. And then spider's going to be like, nope, I don't like that. And so like they just sort of, you know, it's just a, it's just like an easy work. Well, you could do that when you have friendships with people. Yeah.

1:02:56And it's, it never beats me. When you don't want to step on toes, it becomes difficult. Yeah. And it's just, I mean, I guess I've never, we've never had a problem, which is, yeah, I mean, it's a thing that's happened one thing on set. Oh, there's things on set all the time. But we just, you know, generally speaking, and even like, even with the, I mean, I think this also comes down to if anybody's preparing to make a movie is like, trust your gut early, like when you're setting all this up, and it's certainly with actors, like we have to know before you start shooting that these are all really talented actors. They're all taking this seriously. They're all going to be prepared. You can't ever have something like, I don't think this guy's going to know his lines. Like I don't, I don't feel like he's going to be, he's not taking. And so same thing with the crew, if you know everybody's doing their homework and going to show up prepared, then you hopefully avoid any kind of, yeah, no, I mean, with the actor, anytime we have like a new actor, we've never worked with before. I just like driving at home over and over. Like we are going to have zero time.

1:03:56So you need to know this inside and out. It's in just over and over shooting the, the short segment with the first time I'd work with Scout on allegoria. She had the, it's a short segment. So, but she's like, well, how, how much do you want me to be prepared for? I'm like, all of it. Yeah, all of it. Like, let's just, like we're not, you know, because I made it, we don't have time to discover. Well, it's also like, I may want to just shoot this whole scene in one take, you know, like just please. And she's like, oh, got it. Okay. Cool. And she did. But as long as you're communicative enough about that, that she can be prepared every, there's just a symbiosis where everyone's in sync. Was it Brandon? Brandon. I'm sorry. I'm sure he's honored. No, I'm five minutes in. I'm going, oh man, I just saw him start doing the dance, the ditty dance. Oh, he's, but he's fucking great. He's so fantastic. Where did you find that? Fantastic. Well, we had seen it on TV. Yeah, we loved that series dead to me. We thought that was such a good answer. That's what he's doing. Yeah. And he was, he Canadian? No, no, he's not. And he, but he, so casting that role was really hard because it was a really, really

1:04:57good idea. Yeah, I think that's what he's doing. Yeah, and he was, he Canadian. No, no, he's not. And so casting that role was really hard because we had a bunch of like really well known actors come in and send us tapes, even though like a lot of them and like, we just were like, you have to read for this because it's like on paper, he could be so unlikable. I'm sorry, but Pedro Pascal is off our own league. Unfortunately, he refused to read. Fuck up. But no, we wanted this someone who just like had this warmth and this vulnerability and this likability and was funny so that he could almost make some of those like, obsessive self-centered moments like kind of still endearing and. But you set him up from the get go. Yeah. I mean, look, it's a writer named Adam who's listening to people shit on him. So of course, I'm going to be attached to this thing right away. I'm like, I've been there, dude. Like, but he's, you're just in it. Even when he does have moments where he could have come across as unlikable, you get it. Yeah. Like, you get what are you taking that from the point of like you just said, like, I'm a writer.

1:06:01So I'm express. Sure. I mean, I think not everyone will, but I will. I do think compared to some of the other reads we saw, which there were some great actors, but it's like, oh, they seem so angry or they seem so and Brandon just, I don't know. I feel like I won the long list. You've come across all of the, like, like some guys would come in and they would, their read would be like really? Yeah. Like just all frustration. Yeah. It was like, but this is going to wear on people quickly. And then there were some people who took it more comedic and it's like, well, but we don't want them to be a joke. Yeah. So it was in Brandon was a guy that was like, oh, he can get under your skin a little bit, but then he's also super sweet. And then he's out. And then he could be scary. And so it was, and I think that's an artist that I think he was really appreciative of that role because even he said it at our Q and A. He's like, he always plays the nice guy and the best friend. And so for him to be able to tackle all that I think was a real fun for him. It's one of my favorite scenes is when he wakes up and big babies sitting on the back. And he just sits next to him. And then he starts talking because I was like, oh, what's about to do?

1:07:03Oh shit. Oh, I thought this was going to be like hard to hard. Hard to hard. Five where they like merge. I like. Oh, you guys done that before as a writer where something isn't, it's not there yet or you're like, and you do almost start having conversations with these people you've created in your head. I mean, well, I do it out loud because I'm here alone. But like, I think that's an important thing. Do you guys, do you speak the words out loud as you always do? Yeah. Yeah, I read it. If I'm a little, I read it out loud or I'll come up with scenes just not writing, just speak them into my phone and try to become those characters, you know, and there's always person. There's always real life stuff that goes into it. Yeah. And one of the moments with him that I wanted to put in, I think I, if I remember Crucky, when I was on episode 492 or whatever. I think we even talked about the idea of that. That was a 474. Sorry. I think we all talked and commiserated on the fact that when we were younger that we loved everything, you know, we did obviously from this room, if you could see, it's full

1:08:05with just, and just this idea that we weren't, we didn't grow up looking to criticize something, we grew up just being appreciative that they existed and I had a... Do you think that's most, most people though, and they're that young? They're not looking to just... I think it's a jack-to-town. It's not even necessarily a youthful thing. I think it's a time thing because we grew up in a time where there was effort expended to see something, to own something, to watch something, to wear a spider-man. You know, there's no effort anymore. So it's easy to dismiss stuff as garbage. I'm not entertained in 30 seconds. Fuck this. So I wanted... There was a scene when they're having dinner where he goes, I... When I was young, I loved everything. Like, why are these people so mean? Like, why can't they just like what I do too? You know, and I think there's something endearing about that. And if you come from any certain generation, I think you understand that where it's now I think that we come from a place of finding what we don't like about something as opposed to finding something that we like about it. You know, and that... Just being grateful that it exists. Yeah. Before I switched to Wellfront, my APY was probably 0.1.

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1:10:08But for me, I was like, they loved Star Wars so much. I didn't think about money. I didn't think about capitalism. I just went like, they made cool shit too. That's what I want to do. I want to make spaceships. Totally. But then when life shows you that it's not just coming from a good place, from the heart, it's not coming from a place of passion, it's coming from a place of commodity and making money, I think that's where the cynicism comes in, and that's where you start to get a little more critical about things, and start poo-pooing those things. But that may be true from the top, but as it trickles down, we don't know that those people on the set of Battlestar Galactica, writing and directing, acting weren't just giving it their all, and they're hard. I would hope they were. But you know what I'm saying? That is also a possibility. It's like when someone criticized albums, and there's only one good fucking song, and they just go in, they make one song to have a hit. It's like, I don't know one band that ever went in the studio and said that. Like, hey, we got our song. Everybody wants to make every song great.

1:11:10And it's hard, but there's this assumption. And their favorite songs are always the songs that are not the popular songs. You're right, Battlestar Galactica was a business decision, but I like to hope that the people that were involved in... I want to ask really quick, there's one shot in the movie that knocked me out. And it's the shot of Brandon, where he comes home, and it's a kind of a high-angle shot, very close to his face, and the shot lingers for what, three, four minutes. It's always whole monologue, basically. It's a stunning performance. And was that on the page that you were going to adjust? No. So, yeah, so he comes home after seeing something horrific, how he had gone out to do Get Some Beer for dinner. And we got a lot more than that. Yeah, and he sees something terrible happen and he comes home. And, you know, again, sort of like it, in my mind, this is a shot out of some weird 70s, you know, where the camera's so close and it's warped.

1:12:15You know, I'd never see Thriller, they call her One Eye, the re-provenge movie. There's a shot very similar to... What you totally saw, dude! I mean, obviously. Totally, but it's not at all. But I just wanted to give this sense of unsteadiness on his part, you know, that he is obviously traumatized by what he just saw. And so just to have this, the physical sense of him being warped. And so we shot, you know, his conversation between him and Chrissy, and we shot his coverage first, you know, was watching the monitor, and I was like, we could hear her off camera delivering her lies, you know, it was like, this is so powerful, just stay on him. Like, he's so isolated in this moment, that it wasn't until onset, I'm like, I think we might just stay on him. But I knew we had to get back to hers, and we just find that right moment to break out. But also like the way that I was placed I'm further away. So like, it's almost like at that point, it's like, it was metaphor for us drifting apart. Yeah, and in the sound design, it makes sense.

1:13:16Back in I drove home debating whether or not that was completely deliberate or that was something that was found in the edit, because we were like, well, of course the editor's going to cut to her. No, that's the thing about me as an editor. I will never do that. I won't favor myself. I will favor a performance, 100% of the time, because I'm like an actor nerd, and also like a feel thing. But I did, I did cut it traditionally. I tried that. I tried just staying on him. I tried going to me just with the last line. And then it was like a whole thing to finally get to like, at what point, what line do we go to me? And so that honestly was one of the last things that changed. I kept like, maybe this, but it's still, it's not making me feel, you know, so I'm glad it worked for you. It's not a real traditional way to, but it was, yeah, the idea was that he is in his head. So we're basically almost in his head with the shot at so close up. And then finally, it's breaks and we see Kate. And she's like all this.

1:14:18Well, the way that you've been around her. So like, I honestly thought Freddie Krueger was going to pop out from behind you, because the way it's framed, it feels like it's a participatory. And then it wasn't. And I think that those two shots were two of the most controlled moments that you guys have created thus far, because you didn't, it was performance and framing. That's it. No fancy stunts, no gore flying all over the place. Here's two people who, I kind of hated the couple so much because they were so perfect and so loving. And I'm like, look at these two schmows. They're so in love. But then you start breaking them down and showing that kind of conflict between them that now this couple that we, you know, like they thought had complete trust in each other. That's all gone now. Or it's going away. And it was heartbreaking. Yeah, I feel like it has. That's so great that you picked this. I'm glad, yeah. This is the conversations we had. And I know you're going to talk about. We needed a scene. That's why the, you know, the scene where they're drinking one together.

1:15:21We've blown it to show. Were you ever going to show where they watching TV? No, they were just sitting on the floor, you know, having a bottle of wine. That's amazing. And the idea was that we need something to show, you know, because if we didn't have that and then he just starts, you know, bitch in a hurry because she gave him a note. He didn't like it. Well, then there are just two ships passing in the night. Yeah, so we needed a moment in the movie that showed like that loving time together. I think it needed to show why she was in love with him. Yeah. And I was like, that's the thing people would be like, why don't she just leave this guy? Like he's so self-absorbed, but it's like, no, you have those moments where you're like, oh, they really love each other. He actually is very good to her. It's just, you know, when he gets in his head. Yeah, that honestly, the wine drinking scene was my favorite thing to shoot. Also, because we were actually getting drunk over shooting. I do it. Yeah, I'm fucking doing it. But it's to your point about framing it. It's like sometimes, you know, you know, I never like to get to like, you know, high-falutin' about directing. No, no, no, flew away. But you know, I'm saying like, there's a lot of it.

1:16:21I mean, it's funny because sometimes it is as simple as like, point the camera who's talking, right? Like that's what I'm saying. But there was a deliberate choice that you went up closer, just particular lens. You could have completely shot that in a very TV fashion. Yeah. But the fact, and truth be told, it's not the most flattering shot on him. No. But it wasn't supposed to be. Exactly. It was supposed to make him look ugly at that moment because now this was all starting to manifest. But yeah, I mean, but framing is everything. And certainly, and again, every, it can drive me crazy when someone tries to make everything like wacky and interesting. Like to me, that's distracting. I straddle the time. If all you're noticing are getting shot. Yeah, like wow, that's weird that they're just, they're cutting him off at his forehead and it's just the top, you know, like. But there are moments where it really does matter if the camera is here or it's two inches this way. Because leaving an open doorway in the back round makes you, you know, keep looking because someone's going to come in the door.

1:17:23But even if they don't, you're always feel, it makes you feel different. So, you know, I mean, this is not like rocket science 101, but like, that does matter, you know, and to be thinking about those things on set. And it can't be every shot because it would be distracting and, you know, pretentious. But like, there are definitely things where it matters so much. Well, going back to decisiveness too, like we didn't shoot any other way. So like that, that was all for the coverage. That's all we did. So if it didn't work, we were fucked. That's it. That's the thing that it works. The better worse that I do. I'm like, this is what we're doing. But that's another thing that I think is now becoming, I hope is becoming more the, not the fashion, but like I remember growing up in the 90s hearing all about John Wilmovies, right? And you watched John Wilmovies and they are just beautiful, bullet-blat-ballets, and they feel like everything is intended. But then I would read these stories about how they would have like 16 cameras on set for face off.

1:18:23And I'm like, no. Like, could you imagine what that must have been like trying to siphon through stuff? But it also, now 16 cameras on a shot, now you're compromising every single other camera with the lighting instead of just make a choice. Exactly. Make that choice. And if you look, if it's not perfect and polished, so be it. But at least you're not compromising with every single moment over and over again. What? I forgot there was someone else in the room. You didn't realize that she was here? No, I just, I was sown to the conversation for the last, and so she walked by and I was like, whoa! Who's in here? Our daughter's here. I think the lack of choice sometimes makes you better. And it's like, you know, keep talking about music, but it's like you go and made an album in the early days. It wasn't like, what snare drum do you want to do? We got 50 snare drum. Let's go from Saini. Let's spend all day hitting the trash can from Saini. You had one snare. And so it might have been up in the best snare in the world, but it became your snare. And that was your sound.

1:19:23And so not having the ability to have 16 cameras going at the same, you know, you do have to make a definitive choice. And it's like if you want to try to do something that's going to be memorable or a certain style, stick to it. You got to do it. And then hopefully, yeah, it becomes your thing. And you become a, you have a recognizable approach to what you do. And that's really, I think, what we all want, right? Yes. Also, like as an actor, you know, you're like, this is all I'm going to get, so I better be present and I better connect. Yeah. And this is it. So like, it puts this pressure on you that I personally like. I don't know if everybody would like that, but it like makes me be like, this is all I got. I got to bring it right now. And I'm going to, I need to just be here and connect with whoever I'm talking to. And so that's sort of exciting. I like that. As we wrap up here, everyone who comes on the podcast, if they weren't already a friend, they always leave a friend. But we have, we go back always here. So to end with something fun, what's a band and a movie that has like surprised you in the last year, especially having just come off a tour.

1:20:30Was there anybody who were like, Holy shit, man, they're great. Wow. You go first. Of course. Wow. Like that. We were telling you before that movie, Pete, some movie. You get sent the screener because the director's going to be going to let her box right now. Yeah. I know. I know he does. I have to do the same. I can't remember things. That's why I use letterboxed. Yeah, because I, we've been watching. What's trying to think here? Have you guys seen Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie? No, not yet. I really want to know. Okay. It's playing at the New Beverly in two weeks. I highly, I will get you fucking tickets. Yeah. Okay. It is so good. It's streaming now. I think so. But seeing it the new Beverly movie. But here's the thing. It's hilarious. It's one of the funniest movies of the year from a filmmaking standpoint. I really, really have I ever watched a movie and went, I have absolutely no clue how they did that. Or, and you will also say they had the best lawyers in the world. And just remember that. Okay. Because there's stuff in the movie that you go, how did they do that?

1:21:31I couldn't, I couldn't get a poster of a, like, a Friday the 13th, part five, because they get us to the background. And they got this. That's how the fuck that happened. But it's shockingly good. Well, I have a movie I watched on, on, on, uh, follow me. You can't, no, you can't share letter, but are you on letterboxed? I am. I am. I'm not as good as, I'm not in good vlogging. What's not, tonight you're going on, you're gonna, no, I, and this isn't surprised me because, like, when you say surprise, I think, I just mean that you were like, holy shit. Yeah, like, I think of like, oh, I thought it was me bad. It was really good. So I don't really have that. But I, I just stumbled onto this, we were flying to the East Coast to do this big baby tour. And I watched this movie called Micro Budget. Have you seen this? Oh, the one about, uh, speaking of movies about making movies. No, this is about, oh, no, I'm thinking of mock buster. There's another one that's about. So this movie was so funny and awesome. And it's about this guy who hears that making a movie can be really profitable. And like, he's just like some midwestern dad. I'm gonna say one more on.

1:22:32Yeah, he's, he decides something, it's called Micro Budget. And it came out in 2024. It was super funny. It was, I'm not really selling this movie that. The tractor's listening right now going to. Because it was about, you know, I do like movies about movies. I love them. And so this one is just, it's just like, it's just going so horribly. Like, it's just such a comedic, tragic comedy. And it just, I can't even describe like the guy's such an idiot, you know, and his poor wife. Is it like on the level of like American movie? Yeah, yeah, like it's just, he's an idiot, but he's so endearing. The Bigfoot one. Oh, the, the, the found footage. Yeah, it's called found footage. And there's another one that's really good that is a documentary call. I think, I think he's called a little budget horror movie. The guy in Australia, have you seen this one? Oh, I've heard of it. I haven't seen it so much. He gets D Wallace to be in his movie. I've watched the movie three times.

1:23:33That's really fun. But this one is not a documentary. That one's very fringy. But it's really, really funny and really just like, you know, we just so uncomfortable for the guy. Because he's just, and everyone hates him and he just is so clueless. And it's definitely a watch. Um, I think, well, movie wise, two, two actually, my friend of ours, Kate Freund, she wrote this movie pretty lethal that just came out not very long ago. Oh, yeah. And she's actually Patrice and Big Baby. And so it was really cool for that one because I did the table read with the director and her and a bunch of the, you know, early on. So I read the script, but then to see it done and see what they did with this like crazy ballerina action movie with Gore was really fun. Um, actually, I know. I had their original, because it was called, uh, I have it too. Yeah. I wore that thing so proudly, you know, so mad that they changed the title. Like, but it's such a good title. But the movie turned out awesome. And I was so proud of her. Um, so that.

1:24:33And then I also, I really liked the movie, the drama. I liked, I really liked, I loved it. I just, that's the other one I watched in the plane. Oh, that's right. Like, we're a budget and the drama. Yeah, it was, it was so like, it was just, yeah. Also, like, the drama is so cringe-inducing that I like, when we were in the theater, there were people who were leaving because they were just like, nope, nope, can't do it. Nope, nope, no, no. It's weird because I think after, I watched Microbudget first, and I think the drama they seem completely well adjusted compared to. But, but, uh, I don't know. But, uh, I'm excited. But, uh, I'm excited. Also, I like to see both of these. When you guys get a chance, and it's coming out in two weeks, teenage sex, and death, and camp me asthma. Oh, I've been wanting to see that. It's really good, okay. Shit. Yeah. So, by the time this episode airs, it's, it was awesome. Yeah. Okay, it was awesome. I'm seeing it, but I'm excited. Uh, what is the plan for Big Baby's release? Um, it comes to VOD August 7th, so you can watch it anywhere. So, it's out now on VOD. Yeah, out now. You hear this? Yes, correct.

1:25:34And then, people should follow you guys to find out. Yeah, where do we go? There's more news afloat. Yeah, there's more news afloat. Yeah. Just not announced yet. Yes. Yes, there's definitely some more Big Baby things coming, and a whole new way of around Halloween, and make sure you pay attention. And, you know, I can't believe this. The T-shirt at Mystic Museum already. I know, right? I'm going, I haven't seen the movie yet. We have a, so there, and then there's a separate release date for Europe and stuff, right? Oh, yeah. It's in September, early September. Um, I don't want to say the wrong date, but it's, it's like the 7th of the 9th of September, I believe I, I think that's in the UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand. And we're doing frightfest. We're doing frightfest. Yeah. In August 27th, opening night, it's going to be really awesome. Um, we're excited about that. We, um, I mean, we have an installment at Slasher World right now, like, we can go take photos with all the stuff. I don't know if it'll be up when this airs, but till August 10th. Um, and yeah, and then I, all across LA, there's like all the different horror stories. You can find the shirts and fun. Yeah, we're doing, I mean, we're obviously doing our best to, you know, we've, we've had

1:26:35the, you know, good fortune of working with great distributors and, you know, obviously had a long history with shutter and RLJ, but this time we, and we have a, uh, we're used, um, brainstorm, uh, to distribute big baby. But we've really, and they've been super supportive of us kind of going rogue. So we're just like, let's see what we can fucking do. There's something very endearing in people see that that you're, you guys are hitting the streets, gutting, getting out there, going cross country, talking to Kevin Smith and Smodcastle, going across, like it, it, it really, it's like when you went on, did the tour with Victor Crowley, you know, like when people see that you care that much about it, that you're willing to go on tour with it, it's, it means a lot. It really does. Yeah. And we wanted to break that formula of, you know, they're, of this is how we do it. And we're like, well, we'd like to do this and try this and see what's about you being there for the screenings. It's now an event. And so many people are going to take the time to actually go because, oh, well, they're going to be there. Right. Yeah, I got to, I got to be there.

1:27:36Well, I think the, I mean, the horror community is the best ever. And so like getting to like go out and promote our movie and meet everybody and watch the movie with everybody. The top of the blood. The blood soaked. Yeah, that podcast. Talk those guys. But yeah, no, it's, it's just been kind of magical. Oh, sorry. I was like, what did we do this time? I saw his face from the movie. The blood soaked was a name of the podcast in the movie. Oh, right. Right. Right. Yes. I just thought you were thinking like that wasn't supposed to be us like that. No, that was definitely not based on you guys. No, you guys are the best. You guys are like two nice. Well, where can you, where can people follow you? Chrissy Fox on Instagram. We have Big Baby movie on Instagram, Spider One on Instagram, one Fox Productions. You know, there's hopefully Big Baby too. We'll be right around the corner. I was going to, that was my last question. Was like, so, is there a chance? There's definitely a chance he's already started writing it. Yeah, fuck yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Can't wait. Uh, where can people follow you? I'm at the Joe Lynch. Uh, I am on Instagram too.

1:28:36And you never saw it. I feel like we are do we do okay today? Yeah, whatever we do is I always feel like at least me. Well now I feel like we're not doing our part No, I want to make sure you actually had a good time and no, I had a great time He's like oh, it's over but I always feel like I'm Scattered like I tried out to I like did I actually put a sentence together? Yeah, I say Yeah, it was all delightful. Do they know that we're here promoting a movie or what is a rambling? That's it's better when it doesn't feel like a chill, you know People thought you were just rambling and then they ended up finding out about this great movie you both made and All as well. I'll take your word for it. Yeah, that's how we do it. We're like here's somebody you don't want to hear anything About and then they're like holy shit. I want to see everything that person made. Yeah, that's the trick of the movie crew All right guys, congratulations yet again. Thank you. Thank you guys Thank you for having us. We'll see all of you next week with another edition of the movie crypt with Adam and Joe

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