Ep. 50 | The Mental Health Space in the Construction Industry

0:00Travis Parkman builds in right, T-Spark talks, T-Spark talks. Hey good morning and welcome to T-Spark Talks. I am your host Travis Sparkman, T-Spark Talks, your peak construction insight. Here with you every Saturday morning on your radio dial and also you can download us on iHeartMedia, the T-Spark Talks podcast app. If you miss any of the episodes you are always welcome to subscribe, follow and listen to it as you're driving or maybe you just need some help going to sleep sometimes. It's great treatment for narcolepsy sometimes. Thank you to Talon for always allowing us to record in the studio. They got a great studio out here at Talon Outdoors. Please go see them for any of your outdoor needs. And then Grant, thank you for always taking care of me, making me sound good, clipping out my stuff that I shouldn't have on the radio and I appreciate you.

1:07If you ever have questions for us on this show, we always encourage you to email them to T-Spark Talks at tsparkconstruction.com. So the episode today is going to maybe be not as uplifting and maybe as informative from a construction standpoint. But it's something that's kind of been on my heart or my head a little bit. For any of mine I noticed she posted recently on social media that she was getting herself, herself, and she had become involved with Big Bend 211, which is a crisis intervention hotline. And it got me thinking, and as some of you may or may not know, September is suicide prevention month. And the construction industry is an industry that a lot of people don't talk about when it comes to mental health. And my goal with this episode is to kind of give some correlation to why that discussion needs to be had and why it's important and why the industry needs to start talking more about it.

2:17Because it's a very high rate and we'll get into some statistics a little bit later. In the construction industry with death by suicide, mental health issues such as depression, drug addiction, substance abuse, that rarely get talked about. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that construction people, whether they're men, women, we're all designed and wired to be these tough people. That we're not supposed to have feelings, we're not supposed to let anything bother us. We have to make split decisions a lot of times. And I kind of correlated it back to like, you know, as some of you who've listened to the show regularly, know that I was in law enforcement. And I correlated it back to that. It was kind of a lot of the same stuff. We had to make quick decisions. We saw a lot of gruesome stuff.

3:18Stuff that you didn't want to talk about. You dealt with it by basically just swallowing it and just holding it. And you didn't talk to nobody. You were scared to, you know, from lack of a better term, scared to say anything to anybody because somebody would think, oh, well, he's lost his edge. He's not, he's not going to be the sharp police officer or the firefighter or EMT that he used to be. And because now he's talking some crazy stuff. But it's not crazy to talk about it. That's the thing is that, you know, as we go through this episode, I think hopefully what I hope to do is shed some, shed some light on some stuff. Maybe make somebody that might be out there that's holding on to some things that talk to somebody. And give perspective that it doesn't make you a person that you can't, just by talking to somebody doesn't make you weak.

4:25My goal on this episode was to have a guest in my guest at the very last minute before we started recording, had to cancel. Officer Sean Wyman with Tallahassee Police Department was supposed to be here with me. And Sean, the reason I had Sean on here, Sean wrote a book, recent, not really been recent, but he wrote a book called Let Get. And it kind of details his life and how he survived abuse and foster care and a near death experience, some extreme debt that he went through. And he talks, you know, about just letting go of it and moving forward and becoming a more positive person. Sean's a crisis intervention specialist with Tallahassee Police Department. He's won numerous awards for his work in the mental health industry. And I encourage you, if you ever see him on the street or anything to reach up, reach out and talk to him. He's a great guy to talk to.

5:27And I may eventually get him back on the show. He had a call out, he's actually working today. He was doing this as a favor. And he had a call out, so he had to go deal with that, which obviously that takes precedence over a tea spark talks. So I excused him, he's got an excused absence. But the reason that I that I correlate the two is that there, you know, there was a in researching this, I found a statement that said that there are two groups of people in this town who show up before sunrise, work in the heat, run it in, run on adrenaline and coffee. Get told to suck it up, go home, say fine when somebody asked how their day was. One of them builds buildings, the other one runs into them. And so today, I want to talk about those two groups and how what they have in common. And it's truthfully it's not what you think. It's not the big tough guy, tough girl.

6:27Thing that, you know, that that's what everybody's going to think of when you initially put the two together. I know from a fact, for a fact, the construction, the industry alone spends millions of dollars on fall protection, hard hats, tie-off equipment, toolbox talks. In Florida, in 2023, construction had the highest number of workplace fatalities of any private sector. 92 deaths and 43 of those were fall slips and trips. So we take it seriously. We've got a whole culture in the construction industry built around it. You can't bid a job anymore without providing usually to your GCs or whatever your OSHA ratings and your records and all this other stuff because they're not going to hire people who aren't safe. But nationally, more construction workers die by suicide every year than they die from a job side accident in this country combined.

7:34And in the worst part is we don't talk about it. So today, I guess we're going to talk about it. Statistics, I don't want to bore you with the ton of statistics. But what I was what I found was the alarming stuff that even like I didn't even think it was that high. But basically 56% of per 100,000 of the most recent occupational analysis put suicide, death by suicide, rate high for male construction workers. That's 56 out of 100,000. And that's against 32 out of 100,000 for working men across all industries. Female construction workers was a little lower, but obviously until recently, female construction worker was pretty much a, it wasn't as, you know, the ratio was skewed.

8:3865 per 100,000. Narrowed to the construction and extraction occupation group. That means that the guys that are actually swinging the hammers running the equipment. The male rate on that is the highest of any major occupation group. Women in those trades 25.3 for per 100,000, which is more than three times the female working average. And only mining ranks higher than the construction industry. 18% of suicide deaths with what they call the recorded industry code. That means that the employer recorded that is there in the construction industry. Is it is about 7.4% of the actual workforce. 5,000 plus per year. Estimate annual construction workers suicides.

9:41And that's compared to roughly 1,000 to 1,100 total construction job site fatalities annually. So that's what I mean when I talk about it's not being talked about enough because it's, it's definitely a factor. And you think about construction workers and the big tough guys, big tough girls that are dealing with this stuff. You know, it's easy to get hurt, right? And on these job sites it's easy to injure yourself and go to the doctor. And I think some of this is related to substance abuse. And I don't mean that all construction workers are a bunch of drug addicts. What I mean is that the rate of prescriptions being, you know, narcotic prescriptions being prescribed to construction workers. Is, is been basically overdone. Like you have, you have doctors out there that you go to.

10:44And we've all been there. You go to the doctor and say, hey, this is hurting. And what's the first thing I know about a lot of doctors' mouths? Well, here I'm going to write you a script. Take this, get it filled, take a few of these. You'll be fine. The medical profession has changed tremendously where they, they're no longer treating what's causing the problem. They're treating the signs and the symptoms. And they're using a lot of narcotics to do it. The problem is, is as we all know, is narcotics are highly addictive. So you start taking one and you're like, oh yeah, do you feel better? Oh yeah, take, let me take another one. I do feel better. And you be, these construction workers are becoming addicted, even without trying to become addicted. They're not wanting to become a drug addict. They're not wanting to become addicted to pain pills, but it just naturally takes over the brain and makes it that way. 50%, 15% of all workplace overdose deaths work construction workers despite the workforce average of 7%.

11:51When we come back, I'm going to go into this a little bit more and we'll take a quick break here. Travis Parkman builds in right, T-Spark talks, T-Spark talks. Hey, welcome back to T-Spark Talks, your peak construction insight. I am your host, Travis Sparkman. We are discussing mental health today and how it affects the construction industry, the first responder industry that correlation between the two. As I was, you know, when we trailed off there on the first segment, I was giving you some statistics and like I said, I don't want to bore you with a bunch of statistics, but they're astounding when you compare them to national average of people who are getting injured or dying on job sites. We kind of got into the substance abuse as I left off and that the opioids that are being prescribed for pain, the opioid overdose death rate and the trades runs much higher than any other industry.

13:04Which is not, you know, that's not really that uncommon to think of that because like I said, it's easy to get injured on a job site. You know, there's so much going on. You can, I mean, just tripping over something that, you know, was left out in the way and you fallen and banging your knee or banging your shoulder or something like that. And, you know, again, you're going to the doctor saying, hey, can you help me get this taken care of and the first words are out of their mouth is, we'll write you prescription, you'll be fine in a few days. I've gotten to a point where if a doctor tells me that, I walk out of the office and I leave the prescription on the counter. I've gotten really close with a lot of chiropractors in this town and, you know, licensed nurse practitioners or physicians assistants who whose philosophies are more about treating the problem versus the symptoms.

14:04Because in, I'll be honest with you, a lot of them don't take insurance. So that makes it even harder for people who wanted to see that kind of treatment. To go get that kind of treatment, but I will tell you that it's, it has changed my opinion about the medical industry, seeing these people. And a lot of my injuries and stuff that I've had throughout my career have been corrected through the use of chiropractic and, you know, licensed nurse practitioners and physicians assistants just by by studying what's actually causing the problem and not not just popping a pill to address it. I know it's quicker. I know it's easier. I know it's, you know, the philosophy of most construction workers. Hey, I got hurt. I can't afford to miss work. He gave me this prescription. It does feel a little better. I'm going back to work.

15:04And so that pill becomes a coping tool for your pain and your stress. And so it doesn't make a character, make a character flaw for you as the, as the worker. It's just you become more of a product of the system. And it, and ultimately that starts to change the way your mind works, the way it thinks. You know, the good news is there is some good news. The needle starting to move back the other way. And I think some of that has to do with it where we're not not stigmatizing the conversations anymore. We're talking about it. We're having this. I'm having this conversation with you because I genuinely care. I don't want to see people die by suicide. I don't want to see people get hooked on narcotics or pain pills. The way they feel like they got to have them. You know, I want to, I want to see you have a happy life. Just, just like Sean says in his book, you know, give him, let go of that stuff and move forward.

16:10The overdose deaths have fell by 20, almost 28%. Suicides have declined by almost 2%. And so I think with some of the legislation out there that's kind of regulating these doctors on how much of these opioids they can prescribe and, and more of these, you know, log lists where they have to keep track of who they're prescribing how, I think that's helping. But when you compare it to first responders, they're dealing with the same kind of stuff. I mean, you know, over 80% of your first responders report being in some sort of line of duty trauma, which usually leads to what's been diagnosed as PTSD. And that these guys and girls are carrying this around with them. Police officers, firefighters are more likely die by suicide than to die in the line of duty. Right. I'll say it again, police officers and firefighters are more likely to die by suicide than to die in the line of duty. Now, most people will say, why would you do that job?

17:18You could get killed, you could get, but in reality, yes, that's a possibility. But what you're seeing from statistics is that they're dying by other means. And it's because they are, they are bottling all this stuff up and holding it. Roughly, I think the statistics that roughly 37% of firefighters, EMS report having contemplated suicide. 69% of EMS providers report not getting enough recovery time between traumatic calls. You're talking about people that go in and out of traumatic situations. Sometimes, you know, they're on a 10 hour shift. They may have, they may have experienced 10 to 10 that day, depending on the situation. But again, it comes back to the stigma. You have these people that are designed to be tough. You're not supposed to, you know, feel anything and you're supposed to just suck it up and move on.

18:19And I think that's, you know, leads to these, these issues where nobody's talking about it. You know, both industries, whether it's construction or our first responder, they are, like I said, they hired, they're hired for toughness. They're promoted because they don't complain. You know, then we find that, you know, we can become shot because the guy who didn't complain didn't ask for help. Right. It's just that culture that's generated and it has to change. Fitness for duty, you know, you've got to be, you always got to be fit for both. You can't, you know, you can't be out there like with all these pains, aches, pains out of shape, you know, so you're, you're a force to live a certain lifestyle. You're not supposed to feel any pain, so pain management, you know, you're, you, okay, I'll take this pill and I'll be fine.

19:20The good news for law enforcement and first responders is that the legislation has now, you know, passed stuff that makes some of this stuff that if you finally are diagnosed with it, but it's, you can still be compensated if you have to medically retire. The problem with construction is that hasn't been discussed and here we are. These people are basically setting on a, you know, eat what you kill paycheck program, you know, so they know they got to go to work to get paid. And there has been no protections in the construction industry and hopefully that will get addressed in future legislation. They don't have the equivalent that the first responders have. The Roofer who watches a coworker down a job has no statutory protections other than I got to go back to work and start roofing again because otherwise my family doesn't eat.

20:25And so that's, that's probably something that may be associated builders and contractors association of that. They, they need to probably start addressing in some of their talks with their lobbyists and legislation to somehow create a fund to help cover those kind of things and also with the substance abuse to address that. So what, so when you say, how do you fix it? Right. What can a company do? What can a construction company do? Most all of your larger construction companies have a, have some sort of a safety meeting every week, put mental health in your toolbox talks. Make it part of the rotation so that, you know, because you really don't know when one of your employees might be struggling with something. I encourage you to put on the back of their hard hats or post it in the office, the, the crisis helpline that the national one the 988, the local one big bend 211.

21:35Just know that you can call text those numbers and it's a confidential phone call. Nobody's going to call up and go, Hey, so Jimmy over here is, is talking about this stuff. Right. It's, it's confidential. They're going to, you're going to be with a train counselor and they're going to walk you through those things. If you're a supervisor in a construction company, it's easy to ask somebody, Hey, you okay? And they're natural responses. Yeah, I'm good. I'm fine. Ask twice because if you suspect something's wrong, they're probably is. And by you keep pushing, you might get them to open up. Sometimes it may take two times. It may take three times of asking. It may take them pulling them aside and say, Hey, Jimmy, come here. I know you too well. You, you and I go, we've been working together too long.

22:38You know, tell me what's going on. Just you and me. Nobody else. Let's have this conversation. Usually they will eventually open up because if it's bothering them, they're wanting to get it off their chest. Other thing, a construction company to do substance abuse, Narcan, it's, it is a thing. It needs to be on every job site. Same as your AEDs and everything like that. Narcan needs to be on job sites because you don't know when you might save somebody from an overdose. Just know your emergency protocols when it comes to this kind of stuff. Don't be, don't be afraid to enough. Don't be afraid to talk about it and have some kind of plan in place in the event something like this happens. And the other thing is, is don't be afraid to talk about it after it happens. Have a debriefing with everyone. This is what happened. This is, this is where we're at. We need you guys to know that we're here to talk to you. We're here for you. If you need something, talk to us. It's got to be done. It's got to be instituted in the, in the business.

23:48We'll take a quick break. If you, we'll be back and I got some more topics on this. Hey, welcome back to T-Sbarc Talks on your host, Travis Sparkman. We were talking, we're talking mental health this week. It is, as I said, suicide prevention month, September suicide prevention month. When I left, I was talking about things that the construction companies can do within their business to make sure that we're recognizing it, making sure it's a topic of conversation. But then it comes down to, well, what can an individual do? The biggest thing as a construction worker, first responder, whatever, sleep. The biggest problem is we have a tendency. We get up so early, we work long hours, we're out in the heat, we're worn out.

24:59No doubt about it. Even as, me as the owner, like, I'm not in the heat, like my guys are, but at the end of the day, I'm worn out. Sleep is the first dominant. When we're not sleeping good, our brains are not functioning right. There's all kinds of studies out there about how important sleep is. Other thing is alcohol. It's cool to go have a beer, glass of bourbon, whatever your drink of choice is, but it understands that it's not a decompressor. That's not really what you should be using to decompress. Go have a beer because you like the taste of beer. Go have a glass of bourbon because you like the taste of bourbon. But it's not designed to bring you down, relax you. It does. It's more because it's a downer. It's designed to depress you, to relax that stuff.

26:01But in the end, it's not a coping tool for dealing with stress and pain. You add into that if you're already taking some sort of a pain pill and you add the alcohol on top of it. You're just like, you're making putting that pain pill on steroids, so to speak. Have somebody you trust that you know you can always go to, you can always talk to no matter what it is. I have a couple of buddies that we've shared crap with each other that we probably wouldn't share with anybody else, but we've talked to each other off the ledge multiple times. And you got to have that person in your life, whether it's your wife, your pastor, your brother, or just your buddy. Know who you can call, know who you can talk to. Understand that pain has to get treated as pain and that it's not your identity.

27:04If you've got pain, you need to go to the right doctor. You need to get him to address the, as I've said, address what's causing the pain. Not the, hey, I have pain. So hey, let's suppress it. Exercise. People don't get the advantage of it sometimes. I'm even bad about like, I don't have time. But just 10 minutes of just going and walking, leave your phone somewhere where you don't have it and just go walking, breathe. You'd be surprised the benefits that'll help you with, you know, your mental state, your physical state, your metabolism. You'll just, you'll probably even sleep better, but 10 minutes of walking without your phone and your face and your ear and just breathing and just clearing your head out. And then it's okay to not say I'm fine, right? It's like, as I mentioned, it's okay. If somebody asks you how you're doing and you go, actually it's been a rough week, right?

28:12Because if you, that kind of triggers, okay, let's talk about it. Let's get it out because the more you hold it in, the worse it's going to get. Have a, you know, whether it's, whether in first responder, you're in construction, you need some sort of pure advocacy group. You know, maybe it's, maybe it's to find a therapist that you taught to on a monthly or once a month or once a week or whatever you can afford to do. Maybe it's a, you and a bunch of construction workers all get together once a month and kind of set around and kind of debrief. You don't all, you don't even have to work for the same company, you know, you can all get together and, and set around play cards or shoot pool or what have you. And, and have that conversation. When I will tell you is that it's easier to relate. A guy on a roof is going to relate better than a, to another guy on a roof.

29:18Then, then he might with, you know, some therapist sitting across from him on a, on a sofa. But it, it's okay to reach out and have a local peer support team. It, it will help. As I've told you, there's always, there's always hot lines. As I told you, 988 is the national. Big Ben 211 is the, is the local crisis text line. Whether you are, if you're in law enforcement, I think you can text the word badge to 211. And then if you're in construction, you can just text your zip code and they will respond to you. The law enforcement, the first responders, they have a few more options to them. Just because that's been set up, if you're a veteran, there's, there's hot lines for veterans. So don't feel like, hey, there's no, no, where to go. I mean, in Tallahassee, along we have, you know, two hospitals here, major hospitals that both have been set up.

30:21And there's other hospitals that both have behavioral health centers that they accept you in. We have an Appalachia center. If you, if it's a substance abuse, there's disadvantage. So don't be afraid to reach out to these places. That's what they're designed to do. You know, the, the hot lines are easy, easy to Google and fine. The benefits of, of, are the disadvantage, I guess, if you don't do it, is that you, you could be putting yourself down the road that you can't get back from. And, and that's what we want to, that's the whole purpose of this goal, or the goal of this show today is to maybe hit somebody's nerve and say, you know what, there is hope. There is, there is the ability to get myself out of this situation. That, hey, I've told you, T-Spark talks at tsparkconstruction.com. If you want to email me and we want to talk, I'll talk to you.

31:27You know, and we can have that conversation. And it's going to be between you and me. It's not, I'm not going anywhere else with it. But if you're the one struggling, what I will tell you is bottling up is not, is not strength. It's unmitigated hazard. If, good analogy is you, if you had a guy working on an outside edge of a building with no tie off, you wouldn't call that toughness. Right? You think that you're stupid. Because you're basically carrying a load with no rigging, no harness. So you want to be, you know, you want to be in a situation where you can protect yourself. You don't have to be in a complete crisis to make a call to one of those hotlines. You can just be needing, like, hey, I need to run something by somebody that's going to be completely impartial and objective and not be trying to tell me, you know, well, this is what I would do.

32:32You don't always have to have the words, right? You can just say something's wrong. I can't name it. I don't know. I'm just, I don't feel right. And nobody's going to grade your presentation on how you present it. You know, it's, it, making that call is the absolute most important step in taking the step in the right direction with your life. And I will promise you that people around you would rather be inconvenienced by you calling them if you want to call it inconvenienced, then to be blindsided with another type of phone call. They would rather set with you for hours and talk to you than to not be able to talk to you at all. Asking for help is not the same as being unable to handle it. If you're in construction, again, another good analogy. If you had something too heavy to lift, you go get a fork lift or you go get a law or you go get a crane to help you lift that load, right?

33:43It's not weakness. It's using a judgment to get something to help you. And by just making a conversation about it, it doesn't commit you to anything. It doesn't make you say, well, now I got to go to the hospital or anything. It's a conversation. And that's solely what it is. Whether you talk for one minute, ten minutes or two hours, all of that is allowed. And you get, you're able to say, look, I'm, I'm done. I've had my conversation. I'm ready to end it, you know, in the conversation at this point. And you may get a follow-up that they check on you, but that, but in the end, it's the end of the conversation. Like I said, if you're a person out there and you're noticing differences, maybe it's that guy that normally comes to work first and now the sun, he's always, he's always late. Ask, asking, and ask a second, ask a third time, or you are right. What's going on with you?

34:49Be direct. If you feel like they're in a situation where they might be thinking about suicide, it's okay to say, hey, man, you're not thinking about hurting yourself. You're not thinking about doing something crazy, are you? If you are, let's, let's go talk about it. Let's go have that conversation. Usually by, once you open that door, if they are in that position, from my experience, they will go ahead and open up. And I, I know that from law enforcement, when we would deal with people in that situation, that they wouldn't always come right out, but like if you got them in the room and you said, look, are you thinking about hurting yourself? And they would eventually go, yeah, yeah, I am actually having those thoughts. The biggest thing is, is, you know, and this is going to sound harsh, but shut up and listen. If they start talking, listen. You're not there to be a problem solver. You're there to listen, you're there to hear what they got to say, because that's really what they're wanting. They're wanting somebody to hear them and talk to them.

35:52We'll take a quick break. We've got a few more things I want to go over when we come back. Travis Parkman builds in right. T-Spark talks. T-Spark talks. Okay, welcome back to T-Spark Talks, your peak construction insight. I am your host, Travis Parkman. Here we do every Saturday morning on your radio station. And if you miss any of this episode, feel free to download it at iHeartMedia. We T-Spark Talks podcast app. And if you have questions or just want to talk T-Spark Talks at tsparkconstruction.com. So when I left, I was, when I went on on the last break, we were talking about, you know, if you're the one noticing problems and discussing mental health. Like you see an employee or you see a coworker and you start noticing there's been changes in there. Maybe in their work ethic. They're attendance to work.

37:05And you know, I mentioned that you like it's okay to ask like what's going on with you. I mean, you may see things like the guy, like I said, he comes up. He's always been guy girl who's always on time. First one to work. Now the sun, they're late all the time. That's an indicator that something's going on that's that's stressing them out, you know, that they're not able to get up, get to work. Maybe they got more going on in their family. Pulling away, you know, if the crew always always takes lunch together and the one guy's like, I'm not going to go with you guys today. And it becomes a habit. Like they become continuous. You know, that could be a sign drinking more. If you notice that guy's like, got more beer cans in the back of his truck, empty beer cans or he's taking off early. He's she taking off early because they want to catch the liquor store on their way home. Usually a kind of a sign that there's some substance abuse is starting to take effect. You might notice some uncharacteristic anger.

38:11You might notice that they're not being as careful on the job. Like you might see things that they're doing that like, hey, they're normally, you know, they're normally not that reckless with stuff. You know, obviously that becomes a problem for not just your their safety, but yours. You see him giving things away a lot. That's always been a sign in some of the training that I've had that they start giving stuff away unexpectedly stuff of value. Now you here, you take it, you take it. Basically what they're doing is giving their stuff away because in their mind, they're already kind of preparing their their exit. Here I'm saying stuff like, you know, I just feel like I'm a burden. I'm a, you know, I'm just I'm tired of being a problem. That's a those are words and red flags, so to speak that essentially if you're paying attention that they're basically giving you the signs that they got something going on that's that's bothering them and it may just be.

39:11Hey, it's, you know, my marriage, it's my kids, it's my it's my debt. I've got a lot of debt. I mean, that's common right now because, you know, people are struggling to pay bills, maybe just an unexplained calm after a rough stretch, you know, that like you normally they've had a disheveled situation and then all the sudden. They're a they seem to be like just as calm as a cucumber, you know, just things that are different about a person don't always say, you know, if you say call me call me if you need anything we're all we as humans are always bad about call me if you need anything. Right because it chances are nobody's going to call like if you think there's something wrong. It's okay to go to him and go, hey man. I tell you what, this Saturday I'm going to pick you up. We're going to go grab breakfast. We're going to go shoot pool or we're going to play, you know, we're going to go out and do some fishing.

40:19Something that you can get them out away from the work site and you maybe have that conversation. But just know that if you if you make that offer, be willing to set there with them, set there and let them let them vent. Like I said, don't they're not wanting you to fix their problem in reality. They they're not looking for, hey, what's the solution to this? They're wanting somebody to listen. And if you do follow up, don't just leave it at it. It's okay. We've got this resolved. You're in a better place today. You know, give it a day or two and come say, hey man, just checking on you. How's things going? What's what's the status? You know, do we need to go fishing again? You know, and and and let them know that there's somebody there for just know if somebody tells you something confidence and you're scared for their life.

41:24And you firmly believe that they they may be actually contemplating death by suicide. It's okay to tell somebody it's okay to get them to the treatment that they need. They may be mad at you for doing it. But guess what? If you don't, you're going to have regrets. That person may not be around after that conversation. So you it's okay for them to be mad at you for a little while if you accomplished a goal of saving their life. I was going to say temporary anger in a friendship. That's better than the alternative. Right. Absolutely. It's a you know, and we've all either heard stories. We've all heard stories. We've all maybe even been affected by it closely at home of this situation happening where you know you didn't say something or you didn't do something.

42:25And then that then you have that you know that person is no longer around. It's okay that if you're saving their life, you know you do whatever you can to say somebody's life. And if they get mad about it, you know, so be it. The rest of the show I just want to go over a couple last minute things. And it's just these hotlines. I want to hit them again because somebody might be out there listening that's dealing with something that none of us know nothing about. Right. So always remember 988. That's the national hotline. Locally big bin 211. Like I said, you can text. You can call use the use the use what's there. It doesn't cost any money to talk to somebody. Utilize Appalachie Center. Utilize TMH Behavioral Health Center. Capital Regional has a behavioral health center. This village is here locally to handle all your substance abuse stuff. And if you there are other private substance abuse clinics here in Tallahassee in the surrounding area, I encourage all of you.

43:41There's websites for your construction folks, CIA SP, which is prevent construction suicide dot com that has plenty of conversation on this subject matter. If you're in law enforcement, there's tons and tons of different help lines. You know, I'm not going to list them all. They're all available online or easy 1 800 numbers. But I encourage you to to look them up, having readily available in case you need to help somebody. With that in mind, I want to kind of just say one thing to kind of close the show out. And that that's this. It's a it's a quote that I heard one time and it's always stuck with me. It says be kind because the people you encounter daily, maybe finding a battle, you know, nothing about. With that in mind, I'm going to close the show. Thank you for listening. We see you next week.

44:49Travis Spargman builds it right. Teasbarc talks. Teasbarc talks. Peaconstruction insights.