Ep.368 Strange Things Over Time

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I'm Nick Hunter, and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast.

In tonight's episode, Jonathan called in from South Yorkshire in United Kingdom.

As he recounts a series of experiences that began when he was a child

and resurfaced at different points for his life,

what started as reoccurring nighttime episodes,

moments where he believed he was lifted from his bed and later found on the floor.

Eventually, these gave way to other unexplained events,

violent disturbances in his house.

A silent object crossing the night sky, seen alongside his father,

and years later, during recovery from a serious injury,

encounters that challenged his sense of control over his own body.

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Hello Jonathan, welcome to the podcast.

Hiya.

It is good to have you join us tonight

and you're calling from South Yorkshire.

That's correct.

Good staff, South York from the UK, wonderful part of the country.

Now, Jonathan, you had some experiences to share with us.

Would you like to start the beginning, please, sir?

Yeah, I can do.

I mean, I'll be honest.

I'm going to start from the age of sort of seven or eight,

since about 1998, roughly.

It started where I had these dreams.

But basically, I wouldn't call them dreams.

I did at the time.

I was very, very young at the time.

And they would be where I would be awoken in my sleep.

And although supposedly I'm dreaming, and I would be levitated

to the roof of a hallway in the house that was staying at the time.

And I would wake up at the side of the bed crying.

I'm a mum would come in, put me back in bed, and that'd be it.

Now, this went on for years.

For about sort of three years, I would say,

where it wasn't every night, it'd be probably once every three weeks,

maybe once every four weeks, something along the lines of that.

And then all of a sudden, those did actually stop happening.

But it did reacquire one more time later in life.

But my experiences, they changed through the years.

And I've come to a sort of a point now where I've looked back,

because obviously this happened what 30 years ago,

it started happening.

So I look back now after I've been loads of different experiences

through the years and believe that to a certain degree,

they may all actually be interlinked.

But I can't be completely sure.

I always leave it up to skepticism.

But yeah, that's where I'm at with it.

Now, going forward from that, sort of the age of 15,

we'd moved house, moving a different house.

And this was when I first ever saw something

that I couldn't really explain.

And it was a paranormal sort of vibe, I suppose,

if you want to go down that sort of route.

And there'd been a lot of negativity in the household,

a hell of a lot of negativity.

I'm not going to go into what it was,

living, obviously, with my parents at the time.

And it would get to sort of seven or eight in the evening.

And obviously, everything's dim.

And this was in the, I remember it being in the winter

of this particular year.

Now, don't ask me the exact year,

because I can't pinpoint it,

because there wasn't anything around that sort of timeframe

to give it an accurate.

But I was seeing sort of shadows starting in the actual room.

And they would look like figures.

But yet we lived, we faced fields.

And whenever any light shining or anything like that,

there's nothing that should have been able to change

where something was, if that makes any sense.

Now, I'd never thought about it that much at the time.

It kind of just passed.

I never really had any bad interaction or anything like that

around that sort of time.

And those dreams that I'd had prior,

those, yeah, might have been super negative,

but I never really thought much about it.

It's not until later life that I've sat and gone,

well, hang on a minute.

You were brought up in cotton wool.

And I really was.

I was brought up in cotton wool.

I never watched any sort of horror films

or anything that would kind of depict yourself

floating out of bed and been pinned against a roof.

So obviously, I've started to make links

with things through the years.

Moving on, moving past the shadows that I saw adulting.

I moved into a house later in life.

Now, this has been probably about eight and nine years later

and I'd had my first child.

And me and my partner at the time were living in a property.

Basically, that was a very, very strange and turbulent time.

I was very young in the head,

and me and my partner at the time split up.

She moved back with her family,

and I was left alone in that house.

And I remember the first night I was there.

This is where I first had something

that felt extremely negative happen in the house.

It was very, very bizarre.

So it's night time.

I'm sat in the living room,

and I'm watching TV.

And it's a semi-detached house.

I know the next one here,

because funnily enough, I'd actually grown up with them

in early life.

I'd known for about ten years.

And him and his family had actually gone away to skegness.

They'd gone into a caravan.

So I knew there was just me in this entire semi-detached house.

The entire semi-detached property.

And up in what was my daughter's room,

I heard the biggest bang you've ever heard in your life.

It sounded like a car hitting the room.

The renders.

It shook the house.

And I sat there in absolute fear.

I just literally said,

that's my cue to leave.

And I ran.

I ran.

I got in the car.

I went to my mom and dad's house.

In absolute fear.

Now, this wasn't an isolated incident.

This actually continued what happened in that house.

So I then, at the time, was in a band.

I was doing music and stuff.

And I had a friend.

And he came and stayed with me.

Because I rang him up that night and I said,

look, this has happened.

It's really, really strange.

I don't want to be in there on my own.

I'm not ready for this.

Do you want to come and live with me for a bit?

And he did.

He came and lived with me for a bit.

And he had some strange experiences up which I'm not going to

because that's for him to probably go into not me.

But the ones that we witnessed together, however,

were very, very odd.

So there was one night we had our band around.

And we were all downstairs.

And I had my recording gear there at the time.

And we could hear footsteps upstairs.

In what used to be my room a few years prior.

Rad move rooms.

And they were going around in a circle.

Really, really weird.

And then all of a sudden they bolted all the way down the stairs.

And something hit the door.

At the bottom of the stairs and the door shook.

Now, very in mind, this five adults in this room.

And we were all terrified by it.

We were like, what the hell was that?

So anyway, look,

do more things that happened during the time have been there

that there's not much point going into that in depth

could be could be a four hours.

So I'll move on.

And I'll move on to the next thing.

Now, this is where things probably got a little bit strange

because it was it was totally obviously at the time

I would have never like had any kind of correlation

between the two things or any of these things that have happened.

It's not until my late years that I've started to pin things together

in my own mind.

And I could be completely wrong.

But this particular one.

So I'm all older.

So we're talking to now.

I'm probably around the age of 30.

And it's point I'm 37 now.

So this is seven years ago.

And I'd been out with my dad.

We'd been doing.

I did a Chinese delivery job at night.

And we'd been out.

And we finished.

We always finished around 11 o'clock.

And the reason he used to come with me is because in the local area.

What I'd happen is a youths at place like a prank call

ordering a Chinese.

Wait for you to get to this particular address.

There'd be like behind some hairdressers.

They come on the stomp or your car and then run off.

Basically just being idiots.

But unfortunately.

I'd taken my dad with me thinking that was a good thing.

Probably wasn't.

But on this particular night it was.

We were heading back sort of 11 o'clock at night.

From this Chinese delivery.

We cashed up.

We're on his way back.

And we were going down this long stretcher road.

And on this long stretcher road,

you can see quite a lot of horizon.

Because it's it's kind of countryside sort of thing.

So you can see a lot of scape.

And what we could see to the right and side.

But these three lights in the sky.

Now.

To measure distance between the lights.

If you got your arm and you extended it all the way out.

And you got your first finger and your thumb.

And you kind of extended them all the way out.

So you couldn't stretch them any further.

That's the distance between each point of life.

So as you can tell the lights are actually quite far away from one another.

But this night was perfectly clear.

It was pitch black.

And this these three lights were brighter than any stars out there.

But not a great deal bigger.

But the distance between them was quite big.

Now this triangular shaped thing or formation of three lights.

Went across the scape in such a short space of time.

It was unreal.

But they never broke formation whatsoever.

I was really curious.

I wanted to follow the lights.

When they'd gone outside.

My dad said absolutely not get me home now.

He was visibly a little bit shaken by it.

Because in his head he never it was never won for things like this at all.

In fact, actually the whole the whole and paranormal stuff.

I tried to speak to my mom and dad around this sort of stuff.

And they did not want to speak about this stuff at all.

At all in any way shape of form.

It didn't believe in it.

They weren't into it.

They weren't going with it.

So we didn't really speak.

And then anyway, so.

The last thing and I will fast forward to sort of the last thing that ever happened.

And this was back in sort of 2020.

I've torn my.

ACL the money.

And my miniscars and I MCL.

I'm laid up in bed quite a lot of problems.

I could move from room to room, but with crutches.

And I've got a fixed knee brace on at the time.

So I think it actually had my operation at this point in there.

I swear I'd had the operation.

And that's why I was on the meds.

But I was on quite a lot.

I think I was on tram at all for the pain.

And it was actually was shortly after having my operation.

So anyway, I'm sad.

And I'm actually in the living room.

Because I'd been expelled the living room.

As I was playing this game.

So I was playing this game.

And all of a sudden I hear some.

It's like when someone gets up off a leather sofa.

It's like leather sort of relaxes such.

You hear it.

It's like skin stuck to it.

If that makes sense.

So I looked over because obviously I know I'm in the room on my own.

I've just got the dog at the side of me.

I looked over.

And there's this black mass.

And it is above the sofa.

Now it's not in the form of a person.

It is a mass.

And it's hard to explain.

It was just incredibly dark.

Really, really dark.

Now this black mass then shot past me and down the hallway.

But through a door.

So I'm sat there and I'm thinking.

Oh, that's bizarre.

So at this point, you would think.

I mean, I was.

I'm not going to lie.

I was kind of scared.

I was kind of scared.

Because it's very odd to have seen what I saw.

But then it continued.

So I decided I was going to go to bed.

So a hobble back to bed.

I get in bed.

And the dog has a little dog bed at the side of where I am.

And then he's my guitar that's war hung.

So I'm laid down and thinking, God, what the hell is that?

You know, that wasn't great.

And then all of a sudden it turns icy cold.

And I mean icy cold.

And then I heard the dog sort of shuffling and rustling.

So I looked down and then as I looked down, I could see to the left of me.

That the black mass was back and it was above the dog.

And the dog yelled and it jumped on the beds.

I subsequently shouted because he moved my knee in a funny way.

But it was literally at the side of me.

Now, you could see that in a dark room, which was the weird thing.

My eyes are adjusted at this point.

So obviously there's a small fraction of light coming through.

But nothing great.

The room is still really dark, but this is even darker.

It was really bizarre.

Anyway, that instantly sort of vanished.

It disappeared two weeks later.

I then had the last ever experience, which was the strangest experience of my life.

Literally, I've never had it happen since I thought I was going mad to let me be quite clear.

This was the strangest experience I've ever had.

And I have actually tried speaking to medical professionals.

I really shouldn't have done because they, one of them basically told me never to ever again.

I was asleep this particular night.

And this, like I said, this is two weeks after the shadow thing.

I know wake up and I'm stood up.

Now, bear in your mind.

I'm still in a fixed knee brace.

I'm not meant to be weightbearing.

I'm stood up on a leg that should be in a lot of pain.

But I'm not feeling any pain.

But I can see everything.

I can hear what everything's really bizarre and all of a sudden.

I want to say me, but my body starts walking.

And it walks through the house.

It gets through to the kitchen.

And I'm then stood up the, like we've got like this big window in the kitchen.

And I'm stood there with my hands on the sink.

And I'm starting to panic because I'm not actually doing these things.

I'm not walking of my own volition.

I'm not doing anything myself in any way, shape or form.

And then all of a sudden my body spins round, goes to the fridge.

And then I did pick out a drink.

At this point, I feel like that's when I started to regain control of my physical body.

God, this is weird saying this and recounting this.

It's so crazy.

But pick out this drink.

I take a drink.

I'm like, right, so I'm awake.

I'm awake because I'm trying to figure out whether I'm asleep.

This is, this is our crazy.

So this point, I go into where my partner is.

And I start shouting, help, help, help.

Now, this is where it gets really, really bizarre.

Everything I say, I don't hear when I say it.

There's like a delay.

It's very difficult to explain.

But it's your same things.

And it's almost like hearing a reflection coming back at you,

which was incredibly confusing.

And I started to scatter my words and all sorts of things.

Really bizarre.

And I actually said to it, I think I'm going mad.

I think I've gone crazy.

Because at this point, I genuinely think I have.

I'm walking through the house.

I've got no control of what I'm doing.

By the end of this, I'm in floods of tears.

I'm absolutely hysterical.

I'm like, what is going on?

She calms me down.

I go back to sleep.

I wake up, it's like it's never happened.

I remember everything.

My partner remembered it.

We spoke about it at length.

She thought it was hilarious.

I thought it was terrifying.

I hope it never happens again.

It never has happened again.

I did stop taking the meds that I was on.

The reason I spoke to medical professionals

because I said, look, is there any sort of side effect

I can get from taking these meds that would make me do X and Y

and obviously went through this.

I tried explaining all this.

And he just went, no, no.

I mean, do you mean you had sleep paralysis?

And I went, well, no, because I'm walking through the house.

And obviously we could never come to what it was.

They never had an explanation for it.

I never had an explanation for it.

But that was the last thing that had ever happened.

It was terrifying.

I'm not going to lie.

Just hoping it never happens again.

But it's got to a stage now where I've started to look back

on everything that's happened over the years.

And for some reason, I feel like the pins are gathered off.

The thing when I was as a young child

in regards to the being levitated.

Now, all I can explain to you is everyone

that I know and a dog has watched paranormal activity

and where that guy or where anyone would get like dragged in mid-air

and it looks fake.

It looks so fake.

And, you know, it's crazy.

But that's the sort of floating we're talking about here.

That's the dream that I had.

Well, how did I have that dream?

At a very, very, very young age,

when I never watched anything like that existed,

there was nothing like that.

And I'd certainly never watched anything like that.

So I can't understand for the life of me

why I would have had a dream as such.

That would have been that way in decline.

And why I would have been pinned to the roof.

And I do remember distinctly this weird growl thing

that I heard every single time.

And I know when it happened,

I would always go to bed.

I know I would always go to bed.

That's what we're thinking.

God, I don't know.

It doesn't happen.

It doesn't happen.

And then when it did happen,

the only thing I can recount for me

is thinking, oh, God, it's happening again.

I can hear it again.

And I'd hear this growl.

And then all of a sudden,

I've been levitated out of bed.

But when I was, like,

when I'd wake up,

I'd literally be at the side of my bed.

Face down.

It was really bizarre.

But yeah, interesting stuff, Jonathan.

Yeah.

I'm not going to lie.

I don't really speak about this to anyone.

I really have.

It's, it's a taboo subject.

And you know what?

I felt so not saying after that.

I said, crazy.

And that's, especially that you know

the walking through the house bit.

That one.

Oh, God.

I'd never speak to anyone about that.

But I've genuinely asked for,

like, advice on that.

And no one can really tell me what happened to me

in any rich air platform.

Very, very bizarre, very scary.

It is quite bizarre.

I'm surprised that the therapist said,

don't tell no one about this.

That's a bit odd.

Right.

So I spoke to GPs first in regards to

sort of the medication that I've been on

because I've been on.

I think it was an approximate for anti-inflammatory

and I'd been on either tramadol

or I'd been on a mix of different ones.

And I wanted to know whether that could have given me

some form of weird reaction.

But at the end of the day,

we're not talking about hallucination

that someone else didn't experience.

I think that's what made it more legitimate in my mind

is the fact that other people witnessed a few of these things.

The dog witness in the black mass in the room.

And then my partner actually witnessed me

being, frankly, hysterical in the house

after not having control of my own body

which is still to this day

and probably will be for the rest of my life

the most bizarre thing that's ever happened to me

and really strange and no explanation

for it in any way, show your form.

And the fact that it's never happened again

and I did actually end up on those two meds

I think about a year later

because I had side effects from my knee not working out.

But I didn't have that reaction again,

although I was quite worried about taking the meds

as you can imagine after having such a weird effect.

But yeah, it's not something I've often spoke of this.

And I don't know why I reached out to you when I did.

I just, you know, when you feel compelled to kind of talk about it

for the first time properly,

that's kind of what this was.

And it's usually that way.

I get a lot of emails like that.

But it's very bizarre.

I mean, of course, you know, you're taking meds

and you know what bloody meds can do to you.

It's very bizarre.

So you had your leg in a brace.

Yeah, yeah, you're strict.

And could you walk or were you kind of just...

It was kind of like a hobble.

It was kind of like a hobble.

So it was like, my leg was swinging.

So what they'd done is they'd not just set it,

it wasn't, it was fixed.

So it couldn't move, but it was set.

I think it was like a slime angle.

But this is after an op.

So I'd add part of my hamstring removed

and put into my knee.

That's what they do for your ACL.

They stitch my MCL up.

And obviously they do whatever they do to the menace

because they can't remember what they did to that.

I know they had to make some stitches around the back.

But it's quite a significant injury at the time.

But that's what made this all the weirder.

The fact that I'm in that.

And I should be winning in pain.

In a lot of pain.

I shouldn't be weight bearing.

I done a lot of accidents while I was in that knee brace.

It was horrendous, but.

And it was off work for a long time.

Because obviously this was around COVID area.

It was sort of after the first lockdown.

When the first lockdown lifted, I went to play football.

We should play seven side at night.

And that's where I'd done this injury.

So it was around that sort of time after the first lockdown.

So don't quote me on the dates because it could be slightly off.

But because I still like trying to just trying to get the dates

in my head about when this actually happened.

But I know my son had not been born at that point.

And I tried to work it out, but I'm sure.

I know that it was after the first lockdown.

So it was one of them things.

It's usually how it happens, isn't it?

Yeah, I before got stuck in the in the turf.

So I'd been wearing the wrong kind of studs.

And they locked into the turf.

And my knee carried on traveling.

And that's what any just sounded like a tree branch snapping.

It was horrendous with a pain.

Oh my god.

I hope I never get that over again.

I've stopped playing football now.

Just due to that.

I have to start.

I didn't ever want to feel that again.

And the risks.

And especially if you've ever graphed a number of people.

Yeah, I must admit to have the experience that it was.

The childhood ones though.

You know, I put those in the back of my head for so many years.

And it's it's strange.

I'd kind of.

It was just around the time I sent because this is months ago

that I actually sent you that email if I remember right.

And around that time.

I just kind of been going through a lot of things in my mind.

I know you know, when you just have those moments to think.

And I'd wanted to think about all the strange experiences

that I hadn't started adding together.

And they might not be related in any way shape or form.

But.

When you've had strange ones all the way through your life.

Because I mean, there's so many more I could go through.

Because they're in between each one of these events.

Because I mean, these events.

I'm looking here and you're talking like.

Sometimes 10 years, five years.

There's quite a short space of time between them.

But in.

In the grand scheme of things.

It's not a short space of time.

It's quite long.

But they were like little things in between.

So like.

In the home.

Like if I was at home alone.

I'd hear things getting dragged about the house.

Like you know, like carrier bags and things like that.

Yeah.

At that point.

We're talking earlier than we have in a dog.

There's a stage where I didn't have a dog.

My dog was on my partner's at the time you see.

So it wasn't until I met her that we had a dog in the house.

Before that we didn't.

So.

And yet there was things like carrier bags getting dragged about.

Or it's really strange.

Or like.

You just hear like like coats and things like that.

You're here and getting dragged across the floor.

It was really strange.

But yet never saw anything.

There were only two occasions that I'd seen something.

Was the shadow thing that I'd seen in my late years.

And the shadows that I'd seen earlier.

Years, years, years earlier.

But I know it sounds stupid.

You know, when that happened, it was a bit weird.

But I was young and thought, yeah.

Well, you know, it's probably nothing.

Because at that point it was very, very skeptical.

Very skeptical.

Even after I've been experiences.

Prior to that, you know, very, very skeptical.

I'm not a skeptical.

Now I try and be more skeptical in myself.

I certainly do.

And even thinking through this, I feel mad even bringing it up.

I really do.

Especially the walking through the house thing.

I thought I'd gone mad.

I genuinely thought I'd gone mad.

I clearly haven't gone mad because I'm saying.

But it was, it was weird.

That's for sure.

Definitely a strange one.

All right.

So you're stood up, right?

You're walking around.

You're walking around the house.

You're going to the fridge.

Yeah.

How did your body feel?

Could you see from, you know, straight from your eyes?

No.

No, right.

I can see through my eyes.

I'm not looking down my body or anything like that.

I'm looking at, so imagine this.

Imagine waking up stood up for one is a weird one.

But I know it sounds stupid.

I felt the motion of standing up, right?

So imagine slipping off the bed to a standing position

from a seated position.

That's the bit that I met.

That's the first recollection I have.

So the feeling of getting up and then all of a sudden my eyes open up

as I'm stood up.

So imagine that.

And then I'm looking out and I'm thinking, ah, why am I stood up?

That's what was going through my head.

I'm thinking, why am I stood up?

And then all of a sudden, I'm not telling my body to move.

It's all just moved, don't we?

Like if we move, we move.

Well, I'm just in fear, thinking what is going on?

And then all of a sudden, my body just starts moving.

Now you would say, well, surely you did it.

I was, yeah, I wish that was the case, but it wasn't the case at all.

And I think that's why I got into a state of panic.

I actually ended up in a panic because I midway through this.

And that's when I started shouting, help, help, help.

But then realized that sound coming out of my mouth,

was delayed.

Well, it wasn't delayed.

I could feel reverberations like I know I'm speaking, but I can't hear it instantly.

And that was terrifying.

That was the point that was really terrifying, was the delay.

And you know, this is the best way to explain in it.

You know, when you're making a call to someone and they've got your online speaker in a car and you can hear yourself.

Imagine only hearing that bit, the bit that you can hear yourself.

And it always throws you off, doesn't it?

It throws you off and you think, oh my god, you need to turn that down.

Because I can't hear myself.

I can't, I can't, I can't gather my thoughts.

I can't say things correctly.

And you start muddling your words and you'll say things wrong.

Well, that's exactly what was happening.

But all I could hear was this reflection.

I couldn't hear my own voice.

And as you can tell by me speaking, I clearly like the sound of my own voice.

So I thought I could hear myself.

That's for sure.

With a renders.

And yeah, but it was really strange.

I'm a partner.

Didn't know I had to console me at the time at all.

She was just starting to think, what is this guy on about?

Probably thought I was a bit naughty.

But fortunately, I'm not.

So it's it was an extremely scary experience to say the least when I spoke to professionals.

She just said to me, look, we're looking at your mental health.

And we're in a place where.

So I was an outpatient in a place in in New York.

So I'm not going to say the actual place.

But in that place, you can be sectioned there.

And she basically hinted.

Now I did this off record.

A lot of my conversations.

She was actually a uni student at the time.

And she was doing a masters.

And she was learning to do what we were doing.

And she was recording things to take back to uni.

She'd asked me that morning.

Can I ask for your permission?

She had to ask every single time.

And then said this particular morning said, can we not today.

There's something I wanted to divulge first.

She went, that's absolutely fine.

And then we went into it because I've been really, really frightened by it.

And I thought, I need to question it.

Because I'm quite proactive in a moment.

Oh, that's why I went originally.

And I wanted to know, like, are you slipping through the cracks here?

Do you need a bit of help?

Do you need more help than you're getting?

And to get basically someone said, look, I actually believe you, Liam.

Or you need to keep this yourself.

I'm sorry, but don't, please don't bring this up.

Because I told her I've been to GP and they went, look, you know.

I'll be honest with you, I've bought your explain in that.

That's not a medication issue, which was quite strange to have someone in the profession like that.

So what they say.

But yeah, there's regards to GP.

They certainly, they just, the only thing they could say was.

Do you think you might have slept what?

And I thought, well, do you remember when you sleepwalk?

I don't know, but maybe I need to research that.

But people that I know that do sleepwalk because I know two people.

They say they never even know they've done it.

They spell the people that know that they've done it.

Whereas I knew what was going on.

It was fully aware.

My eyes are open.

Now, bear this in mind.

I've never been known for sleepwalking all the way through my life.

I've never done it since.

I've never done it before.

Never sleptwalked.

I do snore.

I do groan in my sleep.

I sometimes talk in my sleep.

But I certainly don't walk.

And that's never happened at all.

And this particular example.

It's so strange.

God, it's so strange.

I hope, actually, out of everything.

I actually hope that it is the meds.

That it's a mixture of an approximate and tramadol or whatever I was on to the pain.

And that that just sent my brain crazy for five minutes.

And that's what it actually was.

Consider it in two weeks prior and had these strange experiences with the shadow thing,

which I still can't explain to this day.

I mean, there is another bit where in between two of these things.

So I mean, I forgot to put this in so you might want to add this.

But there was one experience that wasn't my own, but I will bring it up.

So when I told you about the house that I lived in,

and I'd got my friend to come and live with me,

and we'd had this experience with the footsteps,

and it comes down the stairs, and it hits the door.

I remember going to my mom's for about a couple of days.

And then when I came back home,

what mom and dad reported is that night that I'd left,

they were both in bed,

and they heard footsteps come all the way up the stairs

right to the foot of the bed,

and the footsteps never moved again.

And they were sighting fear all night long.

And that was someone else's experience, not mine,

but that was after me going to their house,

after I've been a bell experience at my own house.

So I have spoken,

and this has got to sound proper cocoon now,

but maybe not so on your channel.

No offense.

But I do listen to your channels.

I've heard it all, but at the same point,

I'd been to a, what is referred to as like a medium lady,

well, she'd come up towards fully enough.

I'd reach out during the course.

I didn't really, I wasn't going to bring this up.

I don't know why.

There's a lot of things that I didn't want to bring up,

because I didn't want to sound,

I don't know, crazy, I suppose.

I feel crazy about this.

I really do.

I'm quite skeptical.

I try and be level-headed about all this,

but I can only say it as I see it,

and what I've actually been through,

but the medium that came out,

I explained the whenever a kid,

so this is where another curve ball throw it again.

So you know, like I said,

there was a lot of living next door in the semi-detach.

I was sort of an unsensory kid.

He'd had me mess with your Ouija board,

at a very, very young age.

I didn't know what it was.

It was a group rock up in cotton wool,

as we all know, as I've said.

And it did move.

Didn't think much of it.

I didn't even know what it was there to do.

I know that sounds crazy,

but I didn't.

And she bullied,

but she'd asked me whether I ever played with one.

And I'd just said,

well, yeah, it did actually.

It was when I was very, very young.

And she said, well, did you close it off right?

And I said, well, what do you mean?

And obviously they didn't even know what we'd done.

I didn't even know what we'd done.

She believed that we'd left something open,

maybe it'd come through.

And it was following or attached to me.

I don't know for sure whether that's true.

I don't know whether she was Charlotte

or what ball.

To be honest with you,

even after seeing her things continued to happen

in the household after,

and she did this weird ritual thing,

which would burnt sage around me.

And I did this like smudging thing around me.

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Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest.

It's a weird one.

The entire thing's been a strange one for me.

In any way, shape or form.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

It's not in chronological order.

So I can only apologize, Nick.

You done just great.

Don't worry.

I mean, things can be linked.

Or they could not be.

Or they could just be separate, separate things.

Yeah.

Yeah, they can, yeah.

I will put a call like,

because there is a lot of people who listen to show

some medical professionals and in certain fields,

which I have zero expertise on.

So if anyone there has experienced

something like Jonathan has just said about

being standing up, walking around the house,

going to the fridge.

Again, he was on medication,

so there's always a possibility that that could be linked.

But if anyone knows anything about this or have heard,

do get in contact even just to put Jonathan's mind at rest,

because it is a strange one, that one.

Yeah.

I mean, to be fair, I am at rest now.

Don't get me wrong.

I mean, luckily it's not happening again.

It's such a strange thing to do, isn't it?

I think it's more of a case of questioning whether you're a sleep.

It's strange, but it's like a thing where you sit there and you go,

am I asleep?

Is this a dream?

Because everything was very bizarre.

And then when you realise I'm going to minute,

it's almost like pinching yourself.

That's essentially why.

I definitely reach for the drink.

That was me that Thomas ought to reach for the drink.

I took the drink, but prior to that,

none of them, their actions were me.

And then after that tab, this disconnect between sound

and not being able to hear what I'm actually saying

until a reflection comes back, which is so strange, so strange.

I mean, yeah, the brain can be very complex.

Look at how we drive.

We don't even think about it.

We could do that kind of thing, but the sheer fact that

you were in control, and that's probably my biggest fear,

is not being in control of your own body.

And you don't know what could have happened,

so it could have gone quite bad.

Well, yeah, there is the heart.

I mean, I never really thought about it that way, to be honest.

The weird thing for me was sort of that two to three week period

where there were strange things that had happened around the time.

They felt very linked to me at the time,

whether or not they actually are.

They might be.

They might be linked in the respect of,

I might be having some serious hallucinations

from medication I was having, but the fact that a dog had witnessed it

in respect of his reactions to what was above him, the melting pain.

So just like little things where you're sitting, you go,

well, it's hard to say,

don't get me wrong, I'm very skeptical.

Now I've been all this time, and very reluctant to share my story

with many people, and now I'm doing it on a much bigger stage.

It might not been the best of ideas,

but I've given it a go either way.

No, this is the perfect place to do it.

You know, we all have strange experiences,

and there's nowhere always, there's always places we can tell.

You know, we can always tell our family members,

we can always tell our partners.

Sometimes we just need a little outlet.

And so this is the, in fact, this is probably the perfect place for your Jonathan.

Did you, a lot of the earlier stuff that happened,

had these, had it always been something going on in every house you lived,

or was it kind of sporadic?

Every house I lived in, every single house I lived in,

there was this something.

Now, look, would it be, it's never,

it was never hardly over the same thing.

The only thing that remained constant for about,

was it about three years that it went on,

was that whole weird dream thing of getting pinned to the roof.

That's the only thing that was recurrent,

if regards to anything else,

it's always like different things.

Like if it'd be sort of like shadows,

and then it would be like,

I remember one time in the shower

and did all handle moving and things like that.

That was in a different house,

but yet no one else was in, it was only me,

and just like weird things,

like really strange things.

Not stuff I usually try and talk about to people,

to be honest, because I must admit,

I have spoken to people before,

my close friends witnessed some of it.

So they believe me,

especially one of our very good friends

that was in the bum that I still speak to you to this day,

although he doesn't know I'm coming on this podcast,

he witnessed the footsteps thing,

and I, he refers to it as chicken foot jokingly,

but reasons unknown to me,

it's something to do with paranormal activity,

and some weird dust on the floor that they put down,

you see the footprints and things like that,

he just, because of that,

he tries to choke it off,

but he certainly knows what happened in that house,

and he always asked me,

oh, it says chicken foot,

everybody doing anything,

and I'm like, well,

maybe he did this,

so maybe he did that,

and I'll obviously explain what's happened

and he just laughs,

but to me, it's strange,

because it still creeps me out.

It's never, I've never been comfortable with it.

Every time there's been something,

it's always creeped me out.

Aside from obviously those dreams,

because that's not something that,

at the time,

I would ever have a thought of,

sort of like a paranormal,

and I'm not saying they are,

by the way, that may be quite clear,

that might be just dreams,

it might be just dreams,

but the fact that I,

I just struggled to come to terms

with dreaming about something

that I couldn't comprehend at the time,

at that age,

wouldn't have been able to comprehend the idea of it,

never mind, dream it,

if that makes sense,

I've never seen anything

that related to that sort of thing.

So, as you can probably tell,

I've done a lot of thinking,

and still do a lot of thinking about it all,

and it's still weird to me out all of it,

to be honest.

The less weird one out of all of them,

it was the three lights in this guy,

which you'd think out of all of it,

that would be the weird one,

but that wasn't...

I love the weird one!

And you'd think it wouldn't be.

It was enough to freak your dad out though.

Yeah, but not me!

I'm there wanting to follow it,

and he's going,

no, to be home right now,

I want to go, he did not want to follow that,

but he did say he'd seen something else,

but he spoke to my mom about that in confidence,

but it was on his own,

whereas this is me and him in a car together,

we're seeing it together,

so I know I'm not going to imagine once again,

I can physically see it in front of me,

like, could it have been helicopters?

No, not at that speed.

The amount of sky that it traveled

in shooters' short space of time,

we're talking seconds,

that it went across the entire landscape

that I could see,

which was quite a lot,

it was vast,

and yeah, God,

I've never even seen a plane move that fast.

Think about when we see planes move,

and you can sit there and watch a plane

for quite some time,

for seconds and seconds and seconds.

This is a lot shorter than that,

it's a lot quicker.

So, yeah, it was,

it moved at a really fast rate,

and stayed in perfect formation,

and you would think out of all of them,

that would be the weird one.

And like I said,

no, the weirdest one,

is not having control of your own body,

that is the most terrifying one,

out of all of them.

But I don't know that the length,

they might not be,

it's just some strange experiences

that I've had through my life,

and you know,

it might make someone laugh,

or creep them out,

but let it know,

so I don't really know.

Well, are you interested in knowing,

if you ever do get any more details from your dad,

if it's seen something before,

and why does it make him react in that way?

The only thing,

the only thing he ever said to me,

that apparently there were more,

but the only thing he ever said to me,

was that outside of our house,

he'd seen a big ball of fire,

and it was low,

and we're not talking to Chinese London,

that's what he'd seen,

and it moved in a weird way,

and he ran back in the house,

and that was before we'd been

and seen the three lights,

as though it was prior,

but he did not mention to,

this was probably about six months after,

I'd turn back to my mum and said,

how's my dad actually?

Like, has he even told you what we've seen?

Because I was trying to recollect it,

and she went, oh yeah, he told me.

And I said, right,

she went, but did he tell you about

what he'd seen months before,

and that's when I found out about,

about what he'd seen prior,

but yeah, I mean,

I didn't see my own eyes,

so I can't, you know, validate in any way,

shape or form,

and I think that's probably what,

I suppose, annoyed him,

because no one was with him at the time,

it's on his own,

and when you're on your own,

I don't know,

you always seek validation, don't you?

I mean, I do.

You know, when you're trying to like,

sort of sit there and say,

is this truly like what I'm seeing?

Am I getting this wrong?

Trying to make sense of something,

but yeah, he wouldn't have had that,

and then, but when we're together

and he's getting it,

and we start there watching it,

and he's going, I certainly don't want to follow that,

and I'm going, I do.

I want to see it.

I want to see if I'm,

what I'm seeing.

I want to know what I'm seeing.

Yeah, we definitely differed that particular note.

That's for sure.

And, you know, in your early childhood,

were you were seven,

seven, eight years old?

Yeah.

Did you ever tell your parents about those,

those currencies?

Right.

Okay.

So, yes and no.

The house was very turbulent for years and years and years,

and I do bear that in mind when it comes down to,

whether these dreams were dreams,

I do wonder, but,

I missed this bit.

I did have it one more time.

I'm sorry.

I missed this bit.

I did.

You know, like I said,

I'd added one more time,

and I forgot to tell you.

So, I'd had it.

So, well, this would have been,

coronavirus, man, at this time.

I'd said probably about 2017.

I'd had it one more time.

I've never had it since,

but that was the last time I had it.

And, but I didn't,

on this particular occasion,

on this particular dream,

when I woke up,

I was in my bed,

I was still in my bed,

but I'd had the same thing happen again,

but I'm not able to put the side of my bed.

But, yeah, that was the last time that I'd had that,

but at the time,

I didn't really speak that much

because things were turbulent at home,

things like that weren't a big good conversation topic,

if that makes sense.

But that was something that we spoke of later in life.

So, me and my mum had sat down,

and they had a lot of heart to heart,

in moderation with things like this,

and she'd explained to the experiences

she had in specific houses,

one being the house with the stairs.

So, the stairs were recurring theme.

My mum had been decorating that particular house

because she'd owned the house.

So, she owned it, moved out,

but another house,

I rented it off,

it was her second property,

at that particular point,

but what she said had happened was,

when she was decorating the house,

it was like,

it's a council house.

So, you go like your stairs,

it stops,

and then it goes in a different direction,

and there's always that light platform,

but isn't there?

And then it changes direction to the right.

So, she'd on that platform,

one or two lighter stair thing,

and she said she felt two hands,

push her back,

in a back,

and she fell forward,

and went down the stairs.

And as she's going down,

she grabs the baluster,

and that's a different,

you know,

getting severe in,

severely injured,

I think she might have pulled

a few muscles,

but that were it,

nothing dramatic.

That had actually happened,

but she'd told me about that,

and she said that had happened in that house,

and it's bizarre that you should say,

about these stairs,

and it coming down the stairs,

and I told her about that.

So, it's strange,

because maybe if we had talked a little bit more,

because we didn't until late life, really.

A lot of us just kind of,

didn't speak about it,

and my dad certainly didn't want to speak

about things that he'd seen,

but I am led to believe

that he'd had some strange experiences

for years and years and years,

of which I don't know,

enough detail.

That's for sure.

I'd have to go and ask my mum,

and get more detail.

I was the same,

I grew up in council houses,

and we lived in some places,

a lot of weird stuff,

and a lot of things can happen in houses,

and a lot of the other energies

get carried over,

and some could be very grim,

for certainly let us,

a very grim property,

is asked for sure.

Yeah, I mean,

the thing was,

it's a really nice property,

it's just,

it had a feeling,

it did have a feeling,

I remember when we first moved in,

I don't really,

we'd feel in that house,

a really weird feeling,

a really weird feeling,

an unsettling feeling,

and I'm not usually one for that,

but well,

I wasn't at the time,

I probably am more so now.

I mean,

it's just one of the things in it,

it's life,

it's life,

you get older,

you look back at things,

and you start to match sense of things,

I mean,

the childhood thing,

I bring that up now,

and yet,

sort of five,

six, seven years ago,

I probably wouldn't be the spoke about that,

I wouldn't have thought about it,

I wouldn't have thought about it,

even though it happened again,

I wouldn't have thought,

I wouldn't have thought about it,

thought it was just a dream.

But yeah,

it's weird,

and it probably is just a dream,

but then you sit and think about it,

it's a bit of a weird dream,

considering that.

You came to the ceiling.

Yeah.

Did you remember

feeling the ceiling

or anything like that?

Yes.

Yeah.

With my hands.

You know the weird thing is,

you're going to say this,

right?

You know, when you hear about people

I've been,

I've always been tempted,

but scared to do it,

and I wouldn't even know

if you can have it,

whether that's actually a thing,

that's something I probably

should do.

I would imagine if,

imagine if it's not a dream,

I wouldn't,

I don't think I'd go with that very well.

I don't think I'd go with that.

There's some things that you shouldn't know,

or that certain people shouldn't know,

and that for me,

I don't think I should know.

I think I should go to my grave thinking

that that was just a dream.

It's just a dream.

There's nothing more to it,

but yes, I did feel the roof.

I did feel the ceiling.

I did.

And I heard that weird,

cruel thing.

It's kind of,

and depict it.

It's very, very strange.

Not like a dog girl at all.

It was weird.

Very deep.

I've always thought about it

and thought, you know,

should I try and recollect things

and things like that?

You know,

you see a lot of it

in the films and stuff,

but I don't even know

if that's even a genuine thing

where that can be done.

But,

like I said,

some things you just shouldn't know,

and I don't know whether I'd react very well,

but I'd probably upset me quite a bit

to think that

if it was something

past,

like,

God forbid,

I'd rather just be a dream in my mind.

I'd just bring it up,

because it's interesting,

you know,

and it genuinely happened.

Well, in my edit,

did you always hear the growl?

Yes.

Every single time.

In fact, weirdly.

So, you know,

this is all I can recollect.

So just imagine me in bed,

waking up,

being too afraid to move,

terrified,

not being able to scream,

not being able to shout,

and then,

because the covers came with me.

The covers were always found on the floor,

and I was next to the bed on the floor.

So the covers would come up with me,

to drift off me in one of your butt.

And I felt it,

so I was very conscious of the feeling,

like,

so you know,

like, being mindful of such.

So,

you can feel stuff.

So I do remember the touch of things.

So like,

the feeling my blanket coming off,

the feeling in my finger,

tips touching the ceiling,

because I would be facing the ceiling.

So I imagine going all,

and facing the ceiling,

not with your back to the roof,

with your face to the roof.

But then,

I don't have any recollection of getting to the floor.

I only get the bit going up to the roof

and then I wake up on the floor.

So there's nothing in between.

And I've always tried to think,

you know,

remember something in between.

There's nothing in between.

So then I can't pin it together.

It's still a dream, isn't it?

Because it's a dream

where you've just fallen out of bed.

You know what I mean?

It's that it's that.

You've just had a really bad nightmare

and you're falling out of bed.

And that is highly possible.

Let me be quite clear.

I've always said that to myself.

And that's why I've never tried to say,

it's definitely happening.

It hasn't definitely happened.

It's just somewhat really weird

that recurred quite a lot.

It's the recurring side of it as well,

over a course of years.

And that's the way it's,

because I've since not had dreams

that I could one recollect as much as this.

Because I could,

like I could always recollect it.

A lot like in depth.

But there was always a gap between

me being on that roof.

And nothing else happening, by the way.

But the weird thing was.

And this is the really,

really, really weird thing.

I'd always,

it was never the roof of the room that I'm in.

I'd get dragged through a doorway.

My doorway was always open at night.

Always open at night.

And actually, I still sleep with,

well, most of the time,

sleep with the doorway open.

And it was always the landing.

In each house,

because I think it happened over a span of two houses.

So I remember we moved village.

It was out of the two houses.

And there were two houses

that last time that happened later in life.

And even that one,

with the roof on that one,

that was in the hallway again.

But I woke up in my bed on the last one.

So I don't know,

just weird, really, really weird.

To reoccur, very weird.

And did you ever witness the transition

between moving rooms?

Yes.

So you're meaning essentially they've been floated.

So I'll levitate at the stroke.

Yes.

All of that I would be witnessing.

And be absolutely terrified.

But I couldn't scream.

So you know,

when I'd wake up on the floor,

I'd then I'd still be really terrified.

And then I'd try and shout

and nothing would come out.

And then all of a sudden be like,

and then it'd lunge out of me.

I'd be like,

it's just so terrible.

That was really terrible.

So, and then I'd end up shouting.

And then the moment I'd come running in

and, oh, you're up floor again.

You don't get back in bed.

And you get me back in bed.

And I'd go to sleep.

And it is what it is.

And like I say,

I'll be honest with you.

I'll be honest with you.

See how much I'll do it.

Genuinely just thought,

ah, it's just James.

But I don't want that dream again.

And then when I'd have that dream again.

And I'd be like,

oh, no, I'm having that dream again.

I'd even,

I'd even say to myself,

it's happening again.

I could hear the growl, the growl thing.

Because it was the growl first.

And you wouldn't be a growl next year.

It's like it's out in that London.

It's not next year.

It's out in the London.

And then you'd start moving.

And it's not you that's moving.

And then all of a sudden,

you're up on the roof.

And then I'd wake up next to my bed.

It's strange.

Pretty strange.

Out of all the match.

You know what?

I say that the walking around was weird.

You know what?

This is a bit of a weird one now.

I'm recollecting it because I swear.

It felt so real.

But dreams can.

Dreams can.

But I don't know.

Interesting conversation I'd say.

If anything.

Were you an only child?

Yes and now my brother's 15 years older than me.

So he didn't live with me.

He'd moved out.

By the time I sort of,

especially this sort of stuff happening.

So I would say yes.

But now, if you know what I mean,

I was just interested if they had had anything in the house.

Go on.

Not that you know to them.

Yeah.

Remember others never recollected anything.

He's really,

really regimentally again.

So that this actually is.

He's he don't believe in anything.

That's paranormal or anything in that nature.

But no, he's that he's never ever said anything.

But like I say,

he didn't live in the house.

I lived in.

To make it out of me when I start bringing up.

Oh, to do it.

Because I mean,

I must admit like MLA alive.

I've become quite fascinated with the current UAP topic.

Yeah.

I mean,

everything that's coming out now.

What we see in especially with the congressional hearings

and everything over in the States.

It's crazy.

It's crazy enough.

And it's what I find very, very strange is that it's not

made news at all,

where they especially over here.

You know,

you don't see on the news or anything.

But yet the evidence has started to matter.

Oh,

and it seems to be there.

And it's becoming less of a taboo subject now.

But even still people at my brother.

He's he's not into that all.

And I've got friends that aren't as long.

I've got friends that are very much like that.

They're just dead not into that stuff.

Look didn't witness anything with me.

But with friends,

I'm going to be.

But I think if all this had happened.

It started about 20 or years ago.

I think it would be a very different story.

The problem is these days,

there's with we're hit by information.

There's always something every day.

There's something new.

Something new.

Something news.

That's going on.

Which completely for some reason just overshadows a lot of this.

I mean, there is a lot of interest.

And there's a lot of people who have now got into the subject

because of it.

But I do know what you say.

It should be all across the news every day.

It should be but unfortunately.

Other stuff seems to be out of the way.

Yeah.

Well, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's just an interesting subject.

I've found it interesting.

And like I say,

I've done a lot of reading and stuff,

which they watch a lot of things.

And I've built these things very much especially.

I mean,

like I said,

that childhood one.

I think it's just the action of having a dream about something

that you couldn't even comprehend.

I think that's the most bizarre one.

To me personally,

if I was to look back and go,

which is the weirdest,

it'd be that one.

Whereas I think the whole three lights in the sky,

I think that's a little bit dulled out for me

because we are starting to see things come through now.

And it is becoming less like,

oh, he's a madman.

It's not like that now.

There is so much more evidence coming out here

or at the video footage.

Granium, what have you bought?

Regardless,

things are starting to slowly come out.

And there is testimony from credible people.

And that's what kind of makes it less sort of weird

when you look back for me anyway,

particularly.

And you know,

and it's the only thing that I've seen.

I'll be honest,

as I've said before,

I'm a trucker.

So I'm out.

I do nights.

I sleep out in my truck.

So I'm out all week.

I have not seen a single thing.

Not one thing.

What I've been doing my job.

And I look.

I'm always out there looking,

you know,

and I've not seen anything.

I've seen Starlink.

I freaked out when I first saw Starlink.

And then realised it was Starlink.

I'm not all of us.

And Starlink,

it's fine.

But now I've not seen anything else.

And I've always got my eyes up.

I'm always looking,

but unfortunately,

I've not been there.

I wouldn't say lucky enough.

But I've not seen anything.

Aside from the three lights that I'd seen years and years and years ago.

That's the only thing that I ever saw in the sky.

Which,

I don't know,

that's a good or bad thing.

Yeah, bloody stars.

People still freak out about that.

Still freak out about that.

I still get videos about Starlink.

You know,

I would suggest though,

if you can pinpoint the area

and pinpoint the time of,

you know,

when you saw these three lights

and just put a lot of reporting.

I know the area well.

And the time of year,

and I could probably,

I could get close

with inside,

like a month,

I would think.

I'm pretty certain

that it was late November.

And I'd have to work the year out.

That would take me a little time.

But I could probably work that out,

but I certainly know the area.

You might just find

that someone else had seen.

And it's always good.

Yeah, you know,

that'd be nice, yeah.

I always tell people that,

because if you've seen something,

you know,

put a report in,

don't just, you know,

leave it,

because there's a lot of researchers

and people,

which are also trying to find,

you know,

what they saw.

So the more information out there,

the better.

Yeah.

But like I said,

I mean,

gambling with a Ouija board,

when you're really with the youngs,

probably not a good idea,

now I know what they're about.

But I didn't,

I certainly,

the worst part about all this is,

I was such a naive child,

but you would not believe like,

genuinely did not grow up with any sort of like,

I couldn't watch horror films

wasn't allowed to watch them,

like nothing like that.

And that's what made that dream so weird.

You know what I mean?

It's the whole levitating thing.

What would I have watched at that age,

with anything like that?

I just wouldn't have,

there was nothing,

especially horrific,

and the weird growly thing.

Like that, for me,

is why I find that one weird.

And that's why I've always gravitated to that one thing.

Why did you,

if it was a dream?

How in God's name did you dream that?

I know the minds are strange thing.

But how did I dream something?

That couldn't even comprehend.

I think that's the big one out of all of them

that I find still to this day,

difficult to accept if it is a dream.

Very, very, very,

I mean, I've got an active imagination,

don't get me wrong,

I've got a really good imagination.

It's served me well in music over the years.

You know,

it's really good in my creative side,

but when it comes down to things like this,

I just find it's too way too bizarre,

way too bizarre.

And to be so like,

do you know to feel the roof?

Like you said,

I mean, you've asked the question,

did I feel the roof?

Yeah, I did.

Did I feel all other things?

Yeah, I was in the quilt,

the quilt cover coming off me and things like that.

Very conscious and very, very,

like in the knowledge of what's happening

in that particular moment,

but then to wake up and still be terrified

and but winds are wake up,

I'll be back asleep.

Like, what's that all about?

Was it just a dream or did I wake up

and then was I put asleep?

Yeah.

Yours is the only one I listen to in regards to this subject.

I remember,

he was only by chance, I found you.

I think I just decided I wanted to listen to a podcast.

I thought, you know what?

What if there's any UFO ones?

I'm just tapped in UFO and this come up.

That's how I actually found it.

And then just listen to it ever since.

But I'd never double it.

I think I did try and listen to a few of this,

but just didn't vibe it.

Didn't really get along with the idea of it.

I think how you actually set it up worked for me personally,

probably clearly works for other people as well.

But it's regards to like,

you know, sharing what I'd got.

I'd always been really reluctant.

I could have gotten to it through the year when I first

have a listen to it for a few years back.

But I didn't.

And I think it's because I don't really want any attention.

And I certainly don't want to speak to anyone else about it.

I don't know why I've done this.

But we're going to be honest.

So I'm not one for it anymore.

I'm not really one for the whole spotlight thing.

Or I don't want it.

And I'm not interested.

It's just a strange experience.

And when someone's on some of it similar,

I think that's what it is really.

There is a lot of you have a podcast out there.

So a few good UFO ones.

But they have a different format.

And that was something I wanted to avoid.

I didn't want to be the same as everyone else.

You know, they do their thing.

And I can just do my own thing.

And so it works.

Yeah, it does.

I feel like listen to the stories.

And I'm sure it's how thousands of others do it.

Or so.

Yeah.

And it's just like interest, doesn't it?

I mean, it's a topic that it's interesting to hear other people's views

and opinions and things that they may have witnessed.

I think that's what it's all about.

And it's just like it's almost like a community field to it.

In that regard, I suppose.

But yeah, it's a good format, mate.

I know.

I like it.

I really like it.

Glad we got you one.

Thank you very much.

Glad to be on.

Jonathan, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that for our listeners.

Thank you very much.

Love you, mate.

It's been wonderful to meet you.

Okay.

Do let us know if you have anything strange happened again.

All right.

And definitely keep us updated.

100%.

Good stuff.

You take care of yourself and we will speak soon, sir.

Thank you very much.

See you later.

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