EP 365 | Luke Kohen | EARTH IS A MULTIDIMENSIONAL EXPERIMENT | A Near Death Experience

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1:04The Tacoma and Tundra are engineered to endure season after season, mile after mile. So drive one home today, visit toyota.com or stop by your local Toyota dealer to find out more Toyota. Let's go places. Did you know that parents rank teaching financial literacy as the toughest life skill? That's where Greenlight comes in. The debit card and money app made for families. With Greenlight, you can send money to kids quickly, set up chores, automate allowance, and track spending with real-time notifications. Kids learn how to earn, save, and spend responsibly, while parents have peace of mind knowing smart money habits are being built with guardrails in place. Try Greenlight, risk free today at greenlight.com slash try green light. That's greenlight.com slash try green light. Perfect. Hey guys, welcome back to the show this afternoon, a rare Thursday afternoon live with our guest today, Luke Cohen, who has an incredible multi-dimensional experience, a near-death experience among many

2:07other things. If you've heard him before, we're in for quite a ride and he was recently on the Jeff Mar of podcast, you may have heard of him there, but we'll get into him very shortly here. Before that, I'd like to remind everybody that our conference is only 18 days away if you're looking to come to a four-day disclosure event in Grafton, Illinois right here in the Midwest. This is our fourth annual event and tickets are still available, four-day passes, one-day passes, or a virtual pass if you can't make it in person, and those tickets are available at journeytotruth.online. And we will be going to Cahokia Mountains, which is a sacred site, North American pyramid site, but no one really knows about. And it's ancient and at one point it was the largest civilization in North America. And there's a lot of interesting activity happening surrounding that site right now, including we'll get into that in a little bit, but there's definitely, so there's a mound memorial in St. Louis for a mound city that was recently destroyed and defaced.

3:11And it's actually very sad that it happened, but we'll talk about that in a minute. I also want to remind everybody that my brand new book is out, is finally out, Bleed Through, Tales from another timeline. And what I find interesting about our guest today is he speaks of Bleed Over, Bleed Through, from other timelines that he's experienced. And when listening to his interviews, it reminded me a lot of myself and I see a lot of similarities there. So I can't wait to pick your brain and just have these multi-dimensional conversations and really just dive deep into what's actually happening here. And in one of your interviews you said, Earth is a multi-dimensional experiment. So I'd like to explore what you mean by that a little bit and just welcome you to the show and maybe we can continue where we left off before we started rolling the camera. So welcome to the show. I'm happy to be here. What's up everybody? Want to have me on, guys? Yeah, okay, so in a nutshell, I guess explain to our audience who you are and we can go,

4:15I know it's not impossible to do in a nutshell, but just kind of... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean long story short, I had a really intense healing crisis when I was 22 that got me on a spiritual path. In that healing crisis, I went from being an agile martial artist and competitive athlete to walking with a cane overnight. Spinal injury, nervous system burnout, I was pushing myself really hard, didn't know I was an empath, didn't know, you know, I was living in a very, what I called density denial. So deep in that kind of toxic culture. And yeah, and during that time I got really depressed because martial arts and basketball and movement was sort of a way that I found peace in in in flow states. And one day when I was drinking tea out of a cast iron tea pot, I had a memory of being a Dallas hermit in a cave in the past life when I saw my soul had been with me, my whole life up until that point. I kind of merged back and I tasted what I call the living stileness of the universe. And it it it trumped every peak experience I have ever had in my life.

5:18And I started eating psychedelics pretty young. I was eating mushrooms at 13 reading Castanada and you know, a lot of summers of LSD as a as a as a team. And this was like every flow state I ever achieved through martial arts and basketball or running runners high, every psychedelic spirit, every sexual experience I ever had this this annihilated it in comparison. And the level of how much my mind disappeared and the truth of my soul was felt. And I came back from that experience with what the yogis call my moksha, which is like a burning desire for enlightenment. And I basically graduated college and I went right to India and never I never looked back. And that was, you know, about 20 years ago. So when I when I left the conventional world and I went on the path of mysticism to really to heal my body. Like, I you know, I was like walking with a cane. And I went to doctors. I went to, you know, everybody and they're like, we don't know what's wrong with you. They couldn't tell me MRIs is the whole thing. They're like, yeah, you probably need a hip replacement when you're when you're 30. By the way, I'm sprinting at 41 now.

6:20So, you know, got gaslit through that whole system and basically had to had to go on a path of healing myself. And so as I began to heal myself, I started to get passionate about what works and what doesn't. And then, you know, I get really passionate about community. I felt like there was a lack of community in the world where I came from and I didn't know anybody was living that lifestyle. And so I started to curate community with a business partner in New York. And so, yeah, so I got a long journey of doing deep healing work, building community. I'm also an artist. And my mission is to shift culture on the planet. And when it comes to the multidimensional and the mystical, I'm definitely a bridge from that. So like, I would say the practical, the relational. So, I've gone very far out as far out as you can go into consciousness. And I think that we're in a time where we have to return, return to our humanity, return to how we can function in society in the world, have healthy relationships, have functioning businesses. So I've been in that full spectrum of going out and, you know, been to the jungles with the medicine man. I spent

7:24immersive apprenticeships with some very far out mystical people. And that was what I dedicated my life to. And at some point, I was asked to come back and start to return to the world, return to society. So here I am with a foot in both worlds. Happy to be here. Yeah, it's incredible. And, you know, listen to your journey. I mean, you've definitely played with psychedelics. And that's very apparent. And I think that's a beautiful thing because I think that's where the expansion occurs. And the further I get down my path, I realize like when I'm having conversations with people about truth and the nature of reality, it's very apparent where they're programming, where their information stems from. And if somebody has explored psychedelics, their answers and perspectives are so much grander, right? And this is zoomed out and beautiful. And then you can, you can also, you know, the people who haven't dabbled in that, their

8:26explanations are very rooted. They're very surface level and they're grounded here. And, you know, what fits? And I love your perspective because you have, you truly do, I know I keep saying, is have a multi-dimensional perspective because, you know, you even mentioned like tapping into parallel versions of yourself. And that bleeds through sometimes. So maybe you can explain what that's like, you know, for you. Yeah. And just to speak to psychedelics, you know, I started as a young psycho not. And then I put everything down for a while on a path of sobriety and a very deep practice of yoga and met mystics that were living in that state without anything. And then I returned to it from an indigenous worldview, an indigenous led ceremony. So I got deep into plant medicine with native peoples and how they work with that traditionally. So my, my second phase of initiation was psychoactive. Plants was through very traditional methods of healing in tribal cultures that have lived this way for thousands of years. And then at one point, I was also asked to let go of all of it and move into a deeper path of sobriety again,

9:31which is where I'm at now. I tend to, I think it's important in a phase, a phase for some people, and for some people, they'll work with it their whole lives. Like I have, you know, 12, almost 12 years of experience, specifically with ayahuasca in 15 years of peyote. And I love, I really respect those traditions in that traditional way of doing it. What I'm seeing now in the world is a bit of an erosion of that level of reverence and initiatory rights to work with it in a healthy way. And so I do want to address that because there can be very psychedelic, heavy culture out there. And, and, and festival culture. And, and it was a really beautiful part of my life at one point. And now where I'm at at 41, I'm like, okay, cool. Once you get the message, hang up the phone. Like at some point, you got to come back and grow roots and, and the Taoist teachings and, and sort of having really powerful teachers and, and, and mystic teachers in shi gong. And those lineages, it's like, they have some very radical opposing beliefs around the stuff of like burning the midnight oil. And, you know, you know, your kidney jing is being harvested to create these

10:34visionary experiences and like, that does have consequence and impact on, on your light body, on your, on your, on your nervous system. And so, education and understanding and having other foundational practices can make it a much more beneficial process. Because I think that they're a robot. There's a revival. So I was reading Terrence McKenna as well. And Terrence talks about, I mean, where you're talking about. And, and that was one of my early sort of developmental, you know, sort of mentors of you as Terrence McKenna. And, you know, he talks about, you know, going into that space and coming back with something novel, like bringing something back to the conventional world that like you can't find that in the conventional world, kind of like you're saying, like if you're really conditioned, you're going to be like kind of regurgitating a memetic, you know, thought form that's been regurgitated from different perspectives all from the same kind of conventional mind. But when we go into the mystic, we actually bring back an original thought. We bring it back as seed of new cultural frameworks of reality. And that's

11:35important. We do need to expand the mind. And there's, there is sober ways of doing it through breathwork, like I'm starting a darkroom business with my functional medicine brother, Dr. Greg, and, and to see where we go in a darkroom immersion, where you naturally secrete, you know, those kind of compounds without any external, there's a very different experience. So I'm an advocate for both. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I'm just, I know it works for me, and I know the importance that that my early development, I did get cracked open. And, and I'm still healing some of the abuse of where I overdid the ayahuasca, I overdid some of those things, didn't have other things in place yet. And where multi-dimensionality comes online, psychedelics can help us access that. And I would say the reason that I tipped into a certain embodied relationship with multi-dimensionality was a lot more through the mentorships that I was doing that was stripping my coping strategies and defense systems, which is like how we,

12:38how we develop as children and as young adults and as different stages, like the ways that we survived our reality. And psychedelics can just rip those away. And all of a sudden you're just a soul, which I believe the soul is actually psychedelic in its nature. So what we call psychedelics is not just the effect of the neurochemistry shifting. It's actually the veils thinning to the natural psychedelic multidimensional state of the soul. That's why I like in Tibetan mythology around the Bardos. The Bardos are very psychedelic type of experience when you, when you leave your body and you die and you go between incarnations, it's like a big psychedelic trip. So there's a lot of this like, you know, early 60s dialogue between, you know, these tukus and these rimposhes and these yogis and these mystics and like 60s psychedelic culture. They're like, okay, cool. There's some kind of weird overlap here between mysticism and psychedelics. And there's something about the sustainability of when we dismantle those sort of coping strategies in defense systems naturally

13:40and gradually by healing trauma, where the multi-dimensionality starts to tip over. And so I think psychedelics can be like an infusion of like, you know, your multidimensional and there's like, you know, you're you're fending the fire of the spirit to know itself as that. But at some point in order to live into that experience of multidimensionality on a day-to-day basis, there's, it's helpful to have lineage and it's helpful to have guidance because essentially all cultures that had initiatic rights, we would be introduced to our multidimensionality gradually because there's a lot of responsibility. And when we open it up too fast, that's where you get psychosis. If you open it up too fast, it's where you get really ungrounded people that can't bring their multidimensionality back into into into society. And in the age of Aquarius, we need to bring our multidimensionality back to the market. We need to like come out of the cave. We need to come back and be in village. And that's what we've lost in this time is both village

14:42and in the initiatic rights and the integration of how mystical cultures work with these technologies in more effective time-tested manners. And we're in an accelerated time. So there it looks like it's like the universe is giving you all the information and all the things in a bombarded way. And so there's there's there's risk and reward with that. When you go down an accelerated path of initiation and you don't have anyone to reference or you don't even know what's happening to you, people get couldn't leave me, awakenings, people have get nervous system burnouts, people go, they lose their mind. And that's like the conventional mind's fear of psychedelics, like, oh, you're going to lose your mind. And there's a healthy version of that. And there's and there's a very unhealthy version of that when people someone someone goes into psychosis. But as a practitioner, I understand that that psychosis happens when there's not a space for the trauma, when there's not a space for the personality to be able to bridge that multidimensional reality with our third dimensional reality, which is just just as powerful and just as sacred

15:44as where we go in spirit world. They're equally valid. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, there's so much there to unpack it and beautiful explanation. The Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are built to keep going. Blending rugged muscle with precision engineering all supported by Toyota's time-tested legacy of dependability. Step into a Tundra and feel the unyielding capability with the available I force max engine. Tundra puts out impressive power torque and towing performance and the roomy high tech cabin keeps you connected on the go or take a look at Tacoma made for drivers who push past the path agile, tough and relentless with available features like crawl control, portable JBL speaker, a power lift gate, so gear goes in fast and the adventure keeps moving. The Tacoma and Tundra are engineered to endure season after season, mile after mile. So drive one home today, visit toyota.com or stop by your local Toyota dealer to find out more Toyota. Let's go places. The Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are built to keep going, blending rugged muscle with precision engineering all supported by Toyota's time-tested legacy

16:49of dependability. Step into a Tundra and feel the unyielding capability with the available I force max engine. Tundra puts out impressive power torque and towing performance and the roomy high tech cabin keeps you connected on the go or take a look at Tacoma made for drivers who push past the path agile, tough and relentless with available features like crawl control, portable JBL speaker, a power lift gate, so gear goes in fast and the adventure keeps moving. The Tacoma and Tundra are engineered to endure season after season, mile after mile. So drive one home today, visit toyota.com or stop by your local Toyota dealer to find out more Toyota. Let's go places. Okay, well let's jump back to your near death experience and what you saw when you were in these other realities in the astral realm and exploring consciousness and and what and what revelations occurred there and then how did you perceive earth once you came back? So I had I've had three in my whole life and the first one happened when I was four in anaphylactic shock and I believe in retrospect that the octurians were working very deeply when I

17:52was four and I had this feeling of like like expansion and contraction like my my body and relational orientation of space time was kind of doing this weird accordion sort of experience at four and so I had no your four years all your cognition's not even fully onto your five so a lot of it was emotional energetic and but in retrospect I can understand what was actually happening to me and when I kind of left my body at four I was in this liminal space that was like this kind of like the breath of the universe of like this expansion and this contraction and I was I was interfacing with with without what I now know as the octurians at that time and how they were trying to stabilize my light body in the initiation that was going through at four and didn't have any frame of reference for it obviously at four years old and so it was like one of those things that just gets buried in your subconscious and then you comes up later through therapeutic process or ceremony or whatever

18:58and then the main the main one that that you guys heard about that I shared about was at the onset of COVID I got dengue fever didn't know it was dengue when I had it and I did I did the the worst thing that you can do during a dengue fever which is fast because your platelets start to go down and you actually need to eat and hydrate and I was like I'll just I got a fever I'll just fast maybe it's this thing that's going around and then next thing you know I go to use a toilet and I'm gone just gone no no memory no white light I was just gone next thing I knew I was traveling down on a what I could only describe is like a DMC light bridge I've had five MEO experiences that was the only thing I could describe it as it's like this golden you know bridge and and also and I was back in my body and my ex partner at the time was pounding on my chest crying she said oh my god you were god you were gone you were gone and I was like I was I was back and I knew I was back and I'm like I'm back and I could feel all this sort of golden kind of Christ-like energy pouring into me and I had no fear in my body and I was a clone ambulance and

20:02I was very rational logical and when the ambulance and then I I had this kind of shamanic fever journey and the hospital for about a week and I was accessing these past lives of where I've died from fever so I would wake up and I'd be in a castle in Scotland with my wife and child and there's like a fire and I have this moral like kind of mortal wound that I'm dying from slowly in my waist and I go back to sleep and I wake up and I'd be in a slum in Calcutta as a little Indian child you know shaking and sweating with fever and then I go back to sleep and I was just going through lifetimes like that and then I was also tracking like COVID as it as a consciousness sweeping the planet and as like this kind of like wave form and I've had other experiences where I was taken out of my body and being shown things from a very very high cosmic eagle perspective looking down into earth looking down into into energy systems and how things are functioning in a collective consciousness way you know or for myself when I in 2000 lemon I was taken out my body and I was shown the point where I chose to enter the space-time experiences as a human being

21:07and have incarnational experiences and my my guys were showing me all of my lifetimes simultaneously and it was really overwhelming because they were like I could see one incarnation incarnational pattern of like 600 lifetimes for one lesson one set of emotions one set of of of you can say karmic contracts and that would be like 600 years of information in just one little section of the map that I was looking at but I was looking at like 500 things so that's thousands and thousands and thousands of years of information that I was getting from this cosmic perspective and when sent back into my human body and having to integrate that that kind of information and they were basically saying all of those things that are happening are not they're not linear there's there's simultaneously happening you're you're meant to go back in and take the things that you need and let the things that you don't need go for this lifetime and so when I came back from that experience I was laughing and crying and shaking and it was kind of like a Kundalini type experience

22:10and this was out without any medicines this was like completely sober and then after that experience I could perceive the Akashic records and I can perceive souls in a very particular way where I could sense in a knowing state their soul's core challenge and their soul's core gift like what they're here to do and their biggest challenge to doing it and and and start to and like when in sessions I would start to see their unresolved incarnational experiences like where there's a lot of emotional charge that hasn't been processed from other lifetimes which you could say are actually parallel lifetimes they're not past lives they're parallel dimensional experiences so it flips the whole past life thing on its head and that for me was very confusing coming from a deep yogic orientation at that time of studying those Vedic sort of teachings of like past lives and I had past life memories up to that point like I saw some powerful mystics in India and they they gave me some darshan and I saw other incarnations I saw myself as a mystic Jew and in some desert without any thoughts

23:15I was just like in the desert just perceiving reality with no mind and I remember the vastness of the desert and being oriented in soul awareness with no no mind right and and so having those kind of past life memories up into that point it was like annihilated and I was like oh my god these are these are parallel timeline experiences and I was start to have that bleed over that you were excited to talk about where I'd be like walking in New York and I see a group of people on the horizon I'd go to reach for my katana and there's no katana and I'm not in Japan and I'm like wait I'm I'm in New York and I'm me this timeline so these sort of habitual karmic what we call some scars or deep impressions which show up in these little fractal moments and I'd have to do some kind of inner work to reconcile the orientation that was happening and then I met my tea and I met my teacher around this time that's had one of my teachers who works with the Akash and the ascending masters and the Lords of Karm and all this kind of stuff and that opened up a whole

24:18different pathway for me where I was really used to medicine work now and I was studying with my mystros and these powerful indigenous healers by also doing this new work with this kind of I would say mystery school around it was like a deeper kind of soul work and she would take me into places that that medicine never touched I would go into these crystalline higher-dimensional realms interfacing with these like light beings just through her sound frequency through her channel that ayahuasca wouldn't touch and I was like oh my god this is crazy that this is available to us and I would and it was like the next set of incarnations that I was being asked to to call that mastery back to me so from that healing crisis till now well not till now till about 20 till to this new death experience that I had on dengue I was walking and through all these different lineages reclaiming the gifts from those lifetimes and letting go of the karmic residue of those lifetimes gradually day to day week to week for for about 17 years and knew the different

25:23mystery schools that I had walked and I had been and some of the flavors of where they are still relevant now and where aspects that are not relevant for the aquarium age they sort of like okay this is still this still has purpose and this is actually a distortion or distraction or like you know kind of knowing the difference between between what was still relative and not right so going back to the earth is a multi-dimensional experiment and you said earth is a living live living library of creation like a school in a sense and yeah you you also explain like seeing like a topographic map of the energy and like I know that's a lot in one question to have you explain but can you maybe elaborate on why you believe it is an experiment and then what led you to that conclusion so some of it comes from mythology from teachers that I trust that are awakened indigenous teachers and other mystics that have given me different frameworks of lenses to look

26:24at it from that would open up so that that's the difference between like knowledge and wisdom is like you can read books and get information and that will digest through the mental body and eventually trickle down to your emotional body and then mainly eventually you know enter into like a spiritual awareness as a as a framework or an understanding that's beyond the comprehension of the mind so mystics give transmission that is a transmission of energy that entrains your consciousness to an awareness so when you're when you're at the foot of a of like a booted being who who has self-realized and you're working with them they transmit something to you and now all of a sudden your soul knows something now many of us have those incarnational experiences of we've achieved some kind of enlightenment some kind of past life but in this lifetime we're meant to be in the world and so we're not supposed to be this detached aloof sort of witness witnessing consciousness kind of being we're meant to like interface and participate right and so a lot of

27:26us that are old souls that have had many incarnations we need at these events and all of a sudden we're sharing codes we're sharing we're having heart to heart dial out we're not just giving a bunch of mental noise and ideas about this is what I think about reality it's like oh my god I'm lipped through this thing the Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are built to keep going blending rugged muscle with precision engineering all supported by Toyota's time tested legacy of dependability step into a tundra and feel the unyielding capability with the available i Force Max engine tundra puts out impressive power torque and towing performance and the roomy high tech cabin keeps you connected on the go or take a look at Tacoma made for drivers who push past the path agile tough and relentless with available features like crawl control portable JBL speaker a power lift gate so gear goes in fast and the adventure keeps moving the Tacoma and tundra are engineered to endure season after season mile after mile so drive one home today visit toyota dot com or stop by your local toyota dealer to find out more toyota let's go places and then all of a sudden there's a transmission from

28:30my heart to yours and you're like whoa you feel it and it's kind of sparking some kind of soul awareness for you and that's like a milder case of that kind of energetic exchange right so a lot of my orientation towards what you're asking me came through direct transmissions from awakened beings that we're trying to we're helping me shape my worldview if you will call it that was more of my soul awareness around what this situation is like what are we in as an incarnation like and so the combination of my lived experience of having things like that being taken out of body and looking from and from the mythology of some of these teachers and some of these masters gradually that sort of understanding came came about and one of the teachings that I received was the idea that our chakra system as an experiment is that if you were to go say to serious or actoris as a soul and that the planetary place in the universe actoris is a particular kind

29:32of mystery school that you go to learn things so you go to actoris to get mastery over a type of third chakra kind of experiment in consciousness you gain third third chakra mastery in in in actoris and then in pleities you're getting a certain kind of heart chakra mastery you're getting codes around compassion and discernment you're getting a type of mystery school initiation as a soul through a particular framework earth has 13 simultaneous mystery schools which are chakras that are drawing from all these other mystery schools that has seated that here and that we're in a simultaneous multidimensionality where we're actually have the opportunity to master 13 chakras in one lifetime so you're not only just getting the school of the first chakra from Orion you're not just getting the second chakra of indrometer you're not just getting the third chakra of actoris you're not just getting the four chakra of of of pleities you're getting all of them simultaneously so the the risks and reward are more dramatic because we have to go through a veil

30:33forgetfulness when we're in our incarnational experience where we don't have any access that we chose to be a part of this experiment and then by the grace of God and the grace of the universe and the grace of our agreements are participated as a star seed or a soul or an angelic soul whatever is soul version that you have because you have different versions of souls a lot of angelic souls have experienced a lot of martyrdom and victimization their lifetime are the ones that are often getting sacrificed you also have human beings that are straight up demonic that their soul experience has a demonic sort of origination point and they're also here in the same dimension at the same time so we're in this multi-dimensional spacetime continuum where we have lots of different souls going through lots of different lessons some with access to the memory some with their memories coming back at varying degrees of forgetfulness and remembrance and the purpose of earth is to evolve to help souls evolve and it's placed within the universe like what we learn here and what we're doing as an experiment in consciousness ripples out to the whole the whole of creation

31:36because all these master beings and all these creator beings that were part of this experiment they helped shape this world so we think in through a theological lens if you go on through an Abrahamic religion and there's a lot of people that are really into all-term history that like to dissect text and be like well how could that be God they're they're being referred to as a as a collective consciousness like the Elohim not Elohi you know it's like you know like these kind of interesting anomalies or incongruencies of like demi gods or gods not the Almighty now the Almighty set the greatest experiment in motion but within that there are creator beings that have realized themselves at certain levels of consciousness that have enough power to create worlds right and if we're all that Almighty aspect in its fractal nature experiencing itself there's different degrees of orientation that one can remember in that original delineation point where we left source and the different kind of mystery schools that we

32:38pass through a soul so a lot of beings have passed very advanced schools in the universe came to earth to assist this experiment and are waking up the memory of that and so they remember being insurious and agreeing to come down to earth they remember being from wherever they were in the universe or from the angelic realms of unified consciousness of love light and infinite knowing and then descending into this place of density right the also has multidimensionality simultaneously because it's baked it's baked into the nature of it right i call earth to side show freak at a galaxy i i i was actually just thinking about that this morning because you know i'm dealing with stuff right now and it's like we're all leveling up and these old timelines test us and they try to like kind of draw you back and it's a big test and there's lessons in it and i'm like why am i being tempted in these areas and like how is my body feeling like you said something like uh i don't even know how you worried at the beginning about this density test or something and i was like

33:42i feel that this kind of what i'm experiencing now and uh but as you start to break through like you're gonna constantly be tested and pulled back and if you're not self-aware you could easily fall back into the same pattern so you're talking about living the same life 600 times just for one lesson or whatever that you know what was i feel that i feel that and we're in that time where those kinds of lessons are available week to week day to day relationally like through the mirror of community you're accessing a past life through this one relationship soul contract where you wouldn't have any memory of Atlantis or any memory of Lemory or any memory of whatever continent and cultural you know framework unless you met that soul contract which triggers that puts the key right into your DNA and elocks it and even though it's uncomfortable and confronting they're actually catalyzing an opportunity for karmic absolution and karmic resolution so we have these sort of destiny threads of different beings that are meant to come into our life and catalyze some kind of

34:45growth now you can look at that from a very grounded level of uh the psychology of development and and you know you're playing out some kind of wounding with somebody and they get projected on soon they protect onto you and and you heal that way but there's also from my experience very real incarnational soul contracts where you're like you meet someone and you have no idea why you love each other so much or hate each other so much and if they're awful also self-aware enough like i've had relationships where we track this stuff and we clear it and we're better we're like oh my god like we cleared those five you know whatever and in my own healing practice like i've had clients like i had a i had like this like kind of famous yoga teacher who was really like powerful and very in like a very good balance of her masculine feminine and and she was so seat and clearly a reincarnation of some kind of yogi but she couldn't get over this this ex-boyfriend and so i went we went to her caution we found this vow that she had made to this person's

35:45soul in the past life which was like i will i will follow you through the depths of hell in heaven and find you in every lifetime and like never let it was like jeez that's an intense vow once we cleared that vow we collapse that timeline she was over him and met her her now husband too excited because she made space in her field and she collapsed at a caustic record from having any energetic weight yeah other than uh erin do you have any questions for him before we i ask him about Atlantis there's about a million questions in directions we could go from here um so i guess we can talk about the past life topic um so you said you you had some intense experiences during one of your near death where you were waking up as like a different past life and a different era and type of being um um so what do you think because like a lot of people

36:48obviously a lot of us don't know don't know of our past lives or don't even believe in past lives right um do you think the universe kind of brings that in at a certain time and where it needs something like you said needs to be cleared or we need to pick up something from a past life or do you think every person should even know about past lives or i think some souls that that's not their contract to remember it's not relevant for them to fulfill their soul mission it's like there would be distraction right so we go to past lives because they want to feel special and they want to like out with the opatria and it's like right there's a lot of ego you were also a slave or you were also the enslaver mode a lot of us that are very old souls that have a role to play in this ascension we've been all of it we've been on the light we've been in the dark and it's it's more about taking self responsibility for the impact of your choices through all space time experiences that matters like can you reconcile the impact of your choices then now right yeah that's what actually matters yeah and i agree i think we lost we've all experienced the light in the dark in those

37:53lifetimes and and i think that's how you can become a master not that we're like trying to become a master in like a egoic sense but when you truly understand like concepts that we're discussing i feel like you've walked the path of dark in light to get there and i think that's an important thing to recognize and that's also helps you practice non-judgment when you see it in others because you understand that process absolutely and and it dismantles the superiority of being a light worker that can happen you know it's like yeah you should most have been a dark worker bro you just don't remember that lifetime where you know like how manipulative you actually were and how many how many feminine energies you were harvesting like come on and they're still in that pattern on unconscious level you know i've seen it and so it's again it's more about again it's power-low lifetimes it's not actually passed the power-low timeline experiences that i call them and and we can learn about you can learn everything about your past lives just by paying very close

38:56attention to this one yeah i want to give our parents have given us our karma on a silver platter to clean up like all the all the genealogy all the all the ancestral wounds everything it's like here you go here's all your follow right attention you'll you'll learn about your past lives one way or another without maybe without the glamour because i feel grateful that i've had the glamour side of it but it didn't necessarily make anything easier it's just because that's the role that i have to play with helping souls things some of this stuff up it's that like right right because i've i've heard a lot of people say that they remember their past lives they remember going through the same types of experiences that they're having in this life but they like didn't pass the lesson and they're giving another opportunity to graduate from that lesson in this one that's scary it's scary i remember i had one it was like 2011 it was same year that i got no the year after that i got taken out a body anyway it was at some point in that same sort of year cycle and i remember getting eaten by a crocodile in egypt in the first gate of initiation when he's

39:59swim on it you're supposed to swim underneath them and master your fear and i panic and i got eaten and i remember that and i remember feeling all this shame that like the l7 i was literally giving this i was being given the same exact lesson without needing a crocodile like initiation to get the the mastery over the fear in that form right right right because it will come in other ways and we'll get we get the opportunity to to overcome it without it being as dramatic well right exactly talking about repeating lessons um let's talk about Atlantis and how you know okay we can talk about Atlantis for a second or a second or yes get segway yeah right or okay Atlantis was a past civilization past right but it's also simultaneous and we're reliving that same lesson right now and i think this is our opportunity to do something different and you broke down the downfall of Atlantis through your memory and and on the Jeff Merrick podcast so i was wondering if you could maybe um share that memory again and then

41:00we can go from there as far as i was just showing up yeah i mean so so basically in lannis got infiltrated there was a golden age to Atlantis at one point where we had crystalline technology and we were in a very deep multidimensional initiatic high priest high priest like priesthood like very distributed governance model and living as it like it almost in a set near ascended level civilization and i got infiltrated and in the infiltration a power over structure was was accepted which started to create competition when cards to create a power wobble and eventually the misuse of power happens and there was a fracturing of tribal warfare that happened inside of these governing bodies to the point where the technology and the power struggle got so strong that the energies that required a type of um consciousness to hold it together

42:02frack in the fabric of um the consciousness required to hold it basically was dismantling the collapse and the collapse is quite quite kind of cosmic and so i remember this is also like after like maybe nine months into 2020 or a year maybe just 2021 that i had a karmic contract with a woman that i was in a union with there and and and are separating the the fracturing of it figured that that Atlantean timeline and i saw who like a lot of our soldier was like a lot of different players and like um and in a session i that i was receiving i remembered accessing because i was like feeling a lot of this like oh man like we have a whole tribe around us and like this is affecting them this breakup and there was like all these different layers to it and then i remembered yeah i remembered the whole the whole scene and so the the whole thing that went

43:03down was like there was a bunch of us that were like we need to leave this is not like this is not our way we can't be fighting like we just have to leave like we we need to leave like it's going to get bad and those of us that were choosing to leave were actually we we made a pack to take different teachings to different sections of the of the land masses that we we were treated to that would became the world that we know it now so a lot of us were carrying the seed blueprint of a whole new sort of mystery school the thirteen mystery schools that came at post-Atlantis we were we became the ones of us that left Atlantis became founders of these different cultures and i i was specifically in charge of the the founding of the druid the druid sort of druidic mystery school and uh yeah my my ex partner and the woman in the select time she was like you're coward for leaving you need to stay in fight and i was like this is in our way and i was like kind of heartbroken that i had to step away and we were on boats and then as we were even on the boats that's when like the cataclysm happens and like we all had to grieve all our friends and

44:04family that all went down in that sort of you know collapse and and then you know when i was in Ireland that sure some shards of that memory came back and even reading the mythology of the Toa D'danin and that like Ireland was like right near that landmass and like the whole mythology the Toa D'danin were definitely like Atlantean beings that were founding the druid mystery schools so i a lot of these things kind of were like little they're like little constellations that you fill in the dots and they get stitched together over over sometime over five years for me but this is something that happened to me years ago and i'm only now seeing actually evidence of it in mythology of right how close Atlantis was to Celtic lore and then other lore and so anyway um yeah so that was that was painful and what's what's unresolved now is is the the unresolved Atlantean karma power over technology fame seeking and and money breed of they're all part of

45:08the same power over system hierarchical systems that are powerful and that exists in the spiritual community very strongly as well people competing to be the most notarized or they're in this unconscious agenda of social hierarchy um being the most you know it's it's it's and it's luciferic ultimately yeah because it's false light it's not actually integrated with christ consciousness it's not actually integrated with the deep shadow work it's positioning itself as something where it's not actually doing the the inner accountability work of taking responsibility for the shadow aspects and so i've met a lot of these interesting very powerful very well intended but very self deceived spiritual beings that are that are playing out very strong and a lot of it's you know i see it in like the coaching community i see it in the medicine community i see it in the personal development community of like oh like like why that person is running a lot of

46:09unresolved Atlantean karma and they're like really you know a lot these are going to be the people that that um you'll heal you'll you'll hear like a hit story about them in the next two years about sleeping with too many women or abusing their power or whatever these are a lot of the Atlantean sort of players that are that we're unwilling to clean up the karma and then you know some of them i've seen some of them also cleaning up it's like okay maybe maybe uh academy is a bad idea you know right maybe uh maybe maybe all this money should come into relationship with indigenous people and not just like position us endlessly up the pyramid you know like let's let's let's collapse and then make it more uh circular circular economies you know so um and the craziest thing that i've learned and this is from a mentor and memory combo was that in Atlantis when it got infiltrated one of the first thing it did was conquer Lamoria they were actually existing simultaneously so the fall of the Lamorian Empire happened during

47:09the reign of Atlantis and the Lamoria's vibration was so much higher but they both inhabited the earthquake at the same time at one point and how Atlantis infiltrated Lamoria was through like a very advanced technology and and and it was designed to collapse divine unions so Lamoria was a whole divine union civilization so a lot of our deep trauma of separation from the masculine or feminine stems back to the fall of Lamoria from these same kind of power over systems that are in place now that's an echo of it and that has to do with the porn industry and porn indoctrination that has to do with a lot of uh like false angelic like spiritual teachings Luciferic teachings and they're kind of like little traps and consciousness that when you access a new realm of multi-dimensional power you're like oh like i want more power or whatever and it's like oh you just hooked into this little trap and consciousness that's designed to like loop you in that Atlantean karma and it's kind of like in the dark crystal that kind of mythology of like

48:12they were the same founders and some of them became the skecsis and some of them became the the mystics but at the end they have to return into the oneness again and repair the crystal you know it's like it's really it's we have so much awesome mythology around the stuff in our in our in our culture cultures oh yeah i absolutely love that how you broke that down the unresolved that lanyan karma that some of these spiritual gurus and you know go active ambassadors whoever it may be like it's very the hierarchy still there and it's very important to them that they're looked up to and put on a pedestal and and a lot of people take debate and we see this happen time and time again and it's and exactly there'll be a hit piece or whatever it is and and it's there's some people that you you wonder if they'll even figure it out in this lifetime and there's other people you think okay i can see that there's there's there's there's uh this this is salvageable right this person can find his way or her way and and i love that you brought that up because

49:14also something that you offer um i heard you mentioned at the end of the jeff mara podcast was that um i don't know if it's a course or something but you do this thing we teach people how to vet energy healers um and i maybe you can expand on that a little bit because i think that's one of the most important things is yeah betting these people right well i'm co-founding a thing called the institute of energetic so i actually have a co-founder we're creating a whole healer marketplace where we're going to be vetting healers so that people can go to a trusted energy healer through our through our platform personally i've been in the work for 20 years and i've seen that like a healthy spiritual teacher or a healthy healer they're not taking responsibility for the one that's healing you they're they're assisting you in healing yourself um if they take too much credit for it you could see they're kind of the pride or the ego of like i'm the one doing red flag if they don't have a sense of humor and they're they're not honest about their own flaws like i share with my clients and my community and online and very transparent that like i'm human i got stuff i'm working on i'm not completely resolved i'm not like you know completely

50:17enlightened being you know i have i have really amazing gifts and and i can tap into a stream of mastery when i work with someone but part of my mastery is to unlock other people's mastery it's not to create a dependency on me like i'm here to graduate as many people as possible and and so a lot of the false light energy healers it's very hierarchical and there's a lot of harvesting of resources and energy and and to keep them endlessly enrolled in some kind of funnel of some sort they don't have sense of humor there's usually and some kind of misalign sexual energy like there's a lot of red flags to look for and this is across the board from money coaches the tons of teachers to to there's there's indigenous elders that are abusing their sexual power it doesn't just because they're indigenous or just because they're this they're still human beings and if they're not honest about their humanity i wouldn't work with them personally beautifully sad i absolutely love that you can you can feel the parasitic

51:23um energy coming from these types of people if you're if you're in a healthy place but a lot of times the people that the people that are attracted to these people are are not in a healthy and that's why they're attracted to them in the first place and then they just feed off of all their followers and it's like this it's like a trauma bond on a on a large scale right it's like a narcissist empath trauma bond on a on a grand scale where it's like they're the narcissist and they have all these people they're feeding on that they keep in their web and a lot of the spiritual communities because there isn't a type of ethics or since making relational village fabric in place it's a lot about spiritual narcissism reinforcing spiritual narcissism so a lot of narcissists or covert narcissists hang out in these communities because they're they are really good at actually enabling that behavior and so where i think we're going to see over the next three to five years of fracturing of different types of spiritual communities of where there's more accountability in place there's more groundedness getting introduced like that you're going to see

52:26this kind of like difference between like the false light side of things and where the people that are actually committed to doing the real work and having relational accountability and having more elders involved and and youth and like okay we're going to be raising children together we can't like do you really want to be doing ketamine ulta or do you want to be doing hop A every five minutes like what's the culture we actually want to create you know and so there's there's a fracturing in the whole scene right now because we come from fractured cultures of indigeneity we've lost place we don't know who our interest is so that's like for those of that are really interested in healing one of the most powerful things you can do is start to investigate your own ancestry and start to get back to your lineage and find the trauma the generational trauma because it's really for me the trauma work is where all these multidimensional concepts all the beauty of mysticism because I love it I mean don't get me wrong I love it but where it starts to hit the ground a new way is where we address the trauma where we get into the minutia of the unglamorous identity stripping you know hard shadow where where we have to be with parts of ourselves that we

53:31have avoided sometimes through lifetimes right you know deep grief deep shame deep rage deep you know whatever on on love ability on worthiness any of that stuff that we avoid a cost and a lot of spirituality becomes a replacement for an even more nuanced way of hiding behind you know back stuff right yeah and spiritual bypassing it yeah it's actually healing it right yeah yeah exactly spiritual bypassing and you know through healing the trauma though that's how you unlock the DNA and and activate and remember and tap into your multidimensional self right and then understand things through a grander perspective but if you're still holding on to that trauma and this is another thing about trauma that I realized when I was writing my book is it's actually important for some people to remember their parallel lives past lives because because if it's if there's trauma that needs to be resolved but it's untraceable then you're never going to resolve it and that's why it's important to tap into these other lifetimes and these other versions of yourself

54:34and even though like that time only may have collapsed and that memory might be gone it could show up in the aetheric body as a scar exactly it can show up somehow and and now that trauma becomes traceable again and you can identify its point of origin and then you can move past it you see it in in some media you see it in science now more and more as they study this phenomena of like a freaking savant kid who could play the piano like both Mars are at three but also has a very strange fear of heights or water or you know it's like it's like why do we have these strange phobias that have nothing to do with anything that we've actually experienced in this lifetime where we're scars or birthmarks of an entry wound of a bullet like there's so much cool literature out there around people that have actually studied this phenomena there's even a cool movie I forget the name of it but like he goes to India he loses his partner in like an elevator shaft and then finds this little girl has the same eyes and she has a fear of elevators and it's like it's really deep I forget the name it was one of the most profound like science and

55:35spirituality like he's rational and he's trying to solve it through this scientific thing but then it's like this unexplainable phenomena and we're in that time as well like that's also where the break-off in Atlanta's happened is that science and spirituality were one our sciences at one point were astrology were quantum physics like you know and in the verses like what we have now just like this is like Newtonian like indoctrination template of in an intimacy and that's like de-animatizing living universe nothing exists beyond the five senses it's not science it's not it's a it's a framework of a of indoctrination where every religion nation had a science their science was about understanding the nature of the universe and how it works which is inherently spiritual so they weren't separate right right post-Atlantis fall when the next wave of like off planet influences came in and there was the next like Rome and that kind of colonization

56:37trauma which is also past life and also generational like the world we've inherited is generational wounding from Rome so that you could say that's past life but it's also just actual like linear trauma as well right this is where the cool intersection point is between like the multi-dimensional timeline stuff and like the very real generational trauma from Rome because we like that's what colonized the world and the fall sciences that came were post-Rome right you know there's so many interesting points here for one that detects the science and spirituality obviously right I spoke at the Star Knowledge Conference last year and one of the elders was talking about the breakthroughs and technology that he was seeing on the internet and he was telling the audience like we've known this the whole problem we've been trying to tell you guys right right but you know and it's like this isn't a breakthrough this is not new information and it's funny because it was given

57:39examples like the articles and stuff and it's funny because in the world like if you're not privy to that right you don't you know in that world it just looks like I'm an amazing technological breakthrough but it's just old it's like these people are coming back online and these memories you know the collective is catching on which which brings me to my next point I'd love you to expand on if you could right now okay moving forward in the future there's a clear bifurcation right there's this split happening and you know there's these two timelines with however you want to perceive it right what does the future look like in your eyes because I'm of the belief that like we can choose one or the other whether consciously or unconsciously and like the way we pursue our life our daily life is how we're going to create our future yeah I mean I resonate with the bifurcation sort of self-esteem prophecy kind of idea one level another level I wonder if it's an inception to create passivity and hopeful thinking versus like practical grounded preparation

58:42for what also might happen but I don't think it's just two timelines I think there's multiple potential timelines right now and we're in a timeline flux over the next two years as we approach what human design found in Iraq called the rise of the sleeping Phoenix what a lot of indigenous prophecies are talking about 2027 is a kind of that we could call a bifurcation year but I don't know if it's actually going to manifest as a bifurcation or not it could also just be multiple places simultaneously existing just like right now some people say you weren't wearing the kala yuga and but then you're in like a sat yuga like experience you're in like a heaven on earth kind of place paradise and people are really in their hearts and then there's a war happening simultaneously so it's like is it a bifurcation or is it just like different sections that are going to be having different experiences I don't know it could be a full bifurcation what I do feel and sense and trust it is I track the agendas in consciousness and I do think that and I've had elders and I've had mentors mentioned this like one of my mentors said that one third of plants get a check out a

59:43body they're just going to go the spirit world they they maxed out on the capacity to reach all their lessons they're gonna they're gonna transition so it's gonna be like one third of plants gonna actually check out one third is gonna sort of merge with technology and play that whole transhumanist thing and one third is gonna do the organic ascension path clean up the DNA unlocked light body and go into the ancient future timeline that are that are like higher selves have like set as a blueprint of gold of a golden timeline for us to live into and and that's like full potential in consciousness like crystalline DNA you know like things beyond our wildest conception technology being a reflection of our consciousness and spirituality you know um and so or it could be a combination of both simultaneous like you might have a section of population that's all like weird cyborg you know like trying to achieve immortality externally right like the Luciferic experiment and then the percentage of the population is achieving immortality through the knowledge of the immortal nature of the soul and that might not equal physical immortality

1:00:47but it is the immortality through there's no more separation between the truth of who you are in your immortal soul that's never died ever born exists infinitum and being able to live into that sort of graduation of the full ascension pathway of your of your self-realized being and then all the physical experiences that we're having right now as a planetary consciousness like all the the material that we have to look at is all there to catalyze and churn stuff up so that we can clean up the karma and it's speeding up our ascension so all the really challenging scary and fronting relational geopolitical ecological all that stuff is catalyzing the cleanup that we need to do inside of our own work to then potentially shift into a planetary awakening or a partial planetary awakening we don't know yet that's what the next two years will determine for my opinion i i couldn't agree more actually i love how you broke that down and and especially like the different areas like i call it pocket

1:01:48realities like all these people are going to start their own pocket realities based on the collective belief of that tribe that gathers in that location because maybe it's a sacred site that's coming back online and and so that world for them their consensus reality is going to create something completely different than what's happened on the on the other side of the world and maybe like ultimately there will be some split some grander thing but it's going to branch down branch off until like an infinite amount of possibilities i think at some point nature is going to take over again because power over doesn't work the Dow tells us this the damn bricks the water flows out the the catalysting the catalyzing moment that the so-called elites can't control either like something will happen that like interrupts the illusion of control for all those that are playing that out and something tips us into that point where you know we have to get with the current or not

1:02:50and i think there's the individual tribal and collective versions of those kinds of initiations where you're like oh i don't have control but i can respond you know and there's something in the in that flux period right now where we know that dark sorcerer style of the so-called elites are trying to hijack the imagination and deflect it so that we dream that world into being for them so that is if people are awake in their co-creative capacity multi-dimensionally online creating consensus reality as you call it in in in in co islands of coherence of shared reality holding our boundaries healing ourselves so we don't need to play out that wound with some geopolitical structure anymore because we're like no like you just can't do that anymore bro like no like no you know and so enough people have to find that no and some there's some version of population that are like they're like no and they have to go through like the most extreme no where others are just like no correct their no is just like in their field and other people

1:03:52their no is like making up for hundreds of years of being violated like no never existed and so they have to go the complete other spectrum of reclaiming their no right so it like you'll have these varying beings going through some kind of harmic harm of purifying or trauma purifying process that looks maybe really messy from the outside based on what's happening in that that region of consciousness or that station and creation but ultimately it's moving us towards a collective remembrance of our of like we're not separate from nature nature's running the show and every the ones that are trying to manipulate consciousness and get humanity to dream their world into being they're gonna have their reckoning point and everything they're doing to try to control actually speeds up the collective awakening so evil shows the seed of its own demise and if we you move into fight you are now on their terms yeah and then you're in the density where they have rain but as multidimensional beings we have to vibrate higher and do our work we don't enter the fray we have

1:04:56to focus on creating something new not fighting the old right yeah there's a great area where we have to set boundaries so now you got my got to set a boundaries it's like no you know don't tread on me like there might be pockets where like some gangster shit goes on I don't know you know but I prefer to give my energy to building new and orient and take responsibility for my lineage trauma of where I can move into a fear or like oh interesting my fear came after I watched that conspiracy video that might have an aetheric implant in it let me clear that implant now I'm not vibrating in that same fear like there is a spiritual warfare game that happens on a multidimensional level so we got to learn you have to learn how to become your own shaman and work with energy and move energy and move emotional energy and move in those spaces so that there isn't places for those kind of dark timelines to hook into your field hook into you exactly yeah exactly you know that's beautiful I love what you said especially about watching a conspiracy video and receiving

1:05:56an aetheric implant can you expand on that please well then I mean a lot of these things are sideops man they're they know they want the light workers vibrating super low and in fear to create their world because that's how powerful we actually are we're we're a percentage of the planet the masses are gonna go along for whatever ride we go along and some of them can tip it to in a waking state like oh my god I'm on an NPC I'm a soul and I have choices versus the default programming I've been on for the last 25 years of just indoctrination and automation and subconscious wounding and wake up you know being being like a semi-human you know just functioning behind the mask and in survival people are gonna get popcorn pop out of that for different reasons someone they love dies they have an insight life is impermanent oh my god 9-11 video oh oh shit our government don't actually care about us like whatever the catalyst is to wake them up out of the out of the dream state you know it's gonna be what it's gonna be you know and so the the but those energies that want to hijack the imagination of humanity they're they're getting

1:07:02less and less permission by the nature of the evolving timeline to do shit physically so they have to do it spiritually they have to do it through media they have to do it and so some you know some some sorcery is at work and that looks like doing like an aetheric implant inside of conspiracy video that's that's like a like a trap in consciousness and when you watch it that you know that you that that hooks into your field and I've seen it like like I like the first doctor stranger's amazing and that transmission the second one has some dark implants and I had to like fear my field after watching it I'm sensitive to feel that right as it's your energy worker and the cosmic reader I'm like ooh well like I could feel it after I like get out I'm like what is that and like go in and I check in I'm like oh I got I picked up two implants in that movie you know that's I'm so glad you brought that up because that's another thing I kind of cover in my book I don't really refer to them as implants but I understand like how those frequencies can open portals and like and allow attachments and stuff like that it's a similar concept but it's all like more evidence of this spiritual warfare that's at our doorstep and it as we you know

1:08:06like I said earlier we begin to break through you know you're constantly like reinforcements are going to be sent in to try and keep you at bay and that's the test right yeah yeah and not going into victimization perpetration or rescuing that's how we pop out and that's the most deductive thing for all of us as human beings that's that's some sorrow and then that shell right am I going into rescuing and like am I so victimize I'm now turning perpetrator like we look at what's happening in the Middle East you know there's all these different flavors of where we play out a pattern of either victim perpetrator or rescuer and that is the cycle that we need to break to create the golden time well right if you're in a victimhood mentality you can easily become exactly what you can become the perpetrator you can become exactly what you've been fighting the whole time and feel justified in doing that's what happens that's why you see people you're like oh my gosh how can that person do that how can they be so evil when you use their back story for the first

1:09:10time you're like oh that was done to them oh that person's dad did that to that or whatever you know it's passed down the victim becomes a victimizer until somebody says the buck stops here and heals stops the most subtle yet profound part of the healing journey that I've discovered is working with that framework and where I could take responsibility for all three of those aspects because I had all I'm still working some of that my victim I'm still working out moments of perpetration of where I my because of my street like my gang history want to move towards like a violent thought violent thought form I wouldn't like act on it but even now there's some level reactivity and some of those forms are not even ours they're just we're just picking up the channel you know so like we have to become masters of discernment which is actually a chamber of the heart not the mind so when we when we open the heart more and more through whatever alchemical practices whether it's boxy yoga and chanting whether that's you know psychotherapeutic work

1:10:13and shadow whatever you can do to open your heart that's where the chamber of discernment and compassion lives compassion is the number one tool we have is light workers to traverse this this time and that means compassion for your own humanity compassion for others that that locks you into soul frequency compassion and then also discernment hummingbird um nice discernment um is is is we've been we've had discernment and intuition beat none of us generationally through indoctrination right so whatever helps you reclaim discernment and intuition is going to be how you survive this multi-dimensional warfare timeline split that we're in right and you know there's lots of little exceptions you can go you can go down the the endless ayahuasca end up in like a become like a little insect with a shriveled liver you can go into the born again cold you can go you know it's like you got a million different choices but if you can take some responsibility for your victim perpetrator and your and your when your rescuer and start

1:11:16to heal the generational trauma you're going to reawaken your heart's energy to have discernment intuition compassion you'll be able to start to metabolize the energy better that's coming for us because of things are only going to ramp up from here on out and grace the grace does do and the oh my god you're one of my people I can like actually cry with you safely like those people also show up so you're never we're never we're always given exactly what we can handle and so um yeah I'd like to ask and maybe we can close close out on this but this is something I encountered with two different people very recently um just you know having conversations about stuff that obviously is pushing the boundaries of their belief and I've come across two people with religious backgrounds that don't believe in karma and they're like no I don't believe in karma and and I find that such a curious thing so like I don't know what's being taught in yeah I don't know what's being taught in these churches but I'm like you don't believe that you like you reap what you sow or like you what does that mean you're just gonna say literal interpretation of

1:12:19caramel right yeah that mean like so but what do I I don't understand if these people think that they just get a free pass to be a shitty person now like I don't like where is this belief like coming from the part of the born again distortion is that there's a self to save so they create a new identity that saves but still an identity right okay yeah it's outsourcing it's outsourcing safety now Christ is real and Christ is a powerful descendant master and Christ has coats for healing caramel but but there's also really good demonic healers out there people that are demonetized John of God was John of God yeah was like trafficking children and miracle healing people right so people like like God the born I was like miraculously healed and it's like okay what what soul fragment just got eaten by whatever fucking you know dark morphic the thing that's like hooking into the collective field that you're now absorbed into all right so it's like right all you see are your people are just wild by what they see on the surface of like oh wow

1:13:22he has power now it's so gnarly right now people are going through disillusionment of our spiritual community because there's a lot of half-big predatoryal like I get why people are doing I actually have my compassion I have so many friends that are gone born again it's like yeah it's more wholesome honestly it's more wholesome than this other shit I get it bro all the best to you that's the path you chose I wish you well you're probably not going to be friends anymore you know right there's a lot of there's a lot of black magic too that's disguised as spiritual things and so real quick it reminds reminds me of the show supernatural and if you've ever watched that show it's it's I think I love it but there's a lot of disclosure in that as a lot of things and one episode there's a guy they find who he's he's actually healing people he's healing them and they're like oh my god you're amazing you're a healer you know but what what no one knows is that he's doing black magic secretly that someone else has to die for that person to be healed

1:14:22every time when he does the black magic this is the brujah ria we call it in this in the shamanic lineage is like just because indigenous doesn't mean it's safe you know like there's crazy astral density in some of these tribal cultures and there's also ones that are lit that never got and never got colonized and hold a purity and understanding in the mythology of creation where we all come from still have the star knowledge and then the others that like are competing in jealous and you know in in full shamanic spiritual warfare with each other so like I get you know it's like everyone wants to be a shaman and their mother now don't know the the spiritual consequences of entering into type of an astral fray and there's a lot of people that are turning born again right now they're just like oh my god I was getting sick of the attack all the time and you know it's like new age spirituality it's like this endless roller coaster of healing and it's like which weren't ready to take self-responsive relief for certain things and like it is hard it is unglamer there's there's there's there's like really existentially painful moments and so I

1:15:28totally have empathy for someone that just wants to be saved and like I'm fucking tired of healing because there's traps and consciousness where you will endlessly loop in your trauma and not actually heal it and just feed that identity right and so there there's traps in all in religion as traps and new age spirituality as traps there's traps laid for us in conscience again it takes good mentorship it takes good intuition discernment compassion to be able to to traverse the razor's edge of the times that we're in right when there's no one size fits all for any of us at the end of the day it always comes back to are you giving your power away to whether it's a religion or a belief system or a guru or anything anything or are you taking your power back and using the things outside of us tools to to become your become the master and to grow spiritually and heal but what what happens is everyone you know the ego and the wounded ego and the wounds

1:16:33trap us in the Vic like you said either you're a victim I need saving by something outside of me or you or it's the opposite of that which is just the other point that that's you I'm going to save you I'm going to save others right so the I'll break down the five principles of integrated spirituality that I that I talk about and that I'm integrating it's my body of work and it's are you do you have vices and what are you doing to transmit those vices in to cultivate virtues spirituality is meant to cultivate virtue so spirituality without ethics is just about spiritual identity so your spirituality needs to to nourish actual morality and ethics so if there's like a lineage and there's no ethics probably not legit right so what feelings are you avoiding what feelings are you taking self responsibility for spirituality should help you and healing should help you have more tools to be with the hurt

1:17:38feelings that are hard to be with that are uncomfortable to sit with and cook and address you know effective grieving as a part of healing and you don't have tools to effectively grieve you will you'll find something else to be a replacement for effective grieving so these are like some of the foundational principles of like healthy integrated spirituality is is it taking me deeper into my body and helping me access the feelings that I've suppressed am I am I turning my vices into virtues am I um in my transmuting the trauma and on my generations by taking self responsibility for my choices and my in an honest relationship with my the impact of my choices on my relationships things like that like we got to find a way to to be in the world and also still develop the mysticism so that it's not just like a way to hide out or a way to bedazzle other people and and avoid ourselves so beautifully said yeah yeah you gotta be careful I will going back to the consciousness trap thing this is another thing I write about my book and those

1:18:39consciousness traps will last forever if you're not hey you can endlessly loop to the end of time exactly and and and that's the whole goal of these you know the dark the dark forces right they place these distractions in your life to keep you on a lower timeline so you make those choices every day they keep you bathing in those frequencies they keep you in that trap and it's go ahead what are some of those traps well I mean put me on the spot here a consciousness I don't know you tell me lust right last there you go thank you read right these are vices right the way that those things could hook in it might look through this glamorous thing of like oh yeah she's a tantric dekeening you know sex healer and unconscious agenda to like what what's really going on you know I mean it looks as this like looks nice but there's a lot of frequency at the end of it we know what happens when you we enter into the less frequency you're gonna you're gonna be

1:19:43paying with your life force right into the matrix right yeah absolutely and that's the example I use in my book I just couldn't answer you on the spot there but I use the relationships at this relationship that I was impersonally that involved lust and it was very much it was I mistaked it for right I was mistaking it for love actually and it was like this fixation and actually I was under a spell but at the end of the day it was really a consciousness trap but there was it there is a lot of play there was a lot of factors that played that I'd never even would have recognized had I not been in it so I had to be in it to recognize it and now I can identify that moving forward and once you're aware then you can navigate that because and you're like it'll be less effective next time because they will try again but now you can you know what to look for you know on a great mattress this trap is twin flames right I use that exact example too right yeah now I get spotted trauma bond for a mile away right right exactly and then you name in that

1:20:49vulnerable for yourself man like I realize that I replace love with lust when I when I was indoctrinated into foreign culture at 12 years old you know that's something I'm cleaning up now right right the example of a consciousness trap yeah actually there's actual energies behind those systems of hypersexualization that are trying to prevent divine union on this planet let's keep all the spiritual men stuck in the looking for the female gaze not able to commit to one being so that they never enter divine union and bring us like a high being down the planet through high alchemical secret sexual magic and just get shrugged in the polytotontrival shit like these behind that one spiritual community doing all that shit exactly and I break this down but it's like okay they exploit like sometimes it'll be a real connection that you'll have with somebody that it might be a trauma bond that you could

1:21:52maybe get past right but I think they'll exploit they'll exploit a connection also to loose harvest off of that and yeah I mean I've been there right yeah exactly so they'll they'll exploit it but in a way that it's like you always like to me I wonder well what would have happened if it wasn't being exploited well what would we have gone past that yeah but that kind of wishful thinking still ignores the day-to-day lived reality being in relationship with someone that's not a correct match right right yeah but and it's because your your vibration drops in that kind of trauma bond and the addiction to the to the to the kind of sexual intensity that happens to those things that attracts entities that attracts that kind of grid so you're co-creating it it's not like you're a victim of it and the bad forces are it's just like that's baked into the entire equation right and you know another layer to this though is like we see it depicted in movies like I'll just use the matrix as a good example the very last one there's four of them

1:22:55the fourth one they they explain this in great detail so neo and trinity they're like these like sacred lovers right and they realize in the movie that together they're detrimental to the dark because they're very powerful but if he he figured out that if you can keep them just just far enough but to remain like this slightly connected they could exploit that connection and use it to their advantage so yeah so I feel like that's happening with a lot of people that's valid that's valid and and the version of those people it's their unresolved work that has them in like a conventional like oh it's safer over here with this this like certified doctor husband versus like this partner over here that like awakens my multi-dimensionality and I'm scared to touch it so I'm going to go where it's safe and familiar right what my soul really wants versus like you go as a prey to do and yeah values the safety we see that there's millions of way that people

1:24:00self-betray their souls whispers every freaking day and that's just an exaggerated more painful one to look at right because we all I think we're all I think most spiritual people have a natural hopeless romantic and then that wants to meet their their soul mate but then the Disney programming and the indoctrination and all the other stuff and the twin flame false light and late you know it's actually when it's not coming from wholesomeness of like you complete me and like I'm not like you're a god being you're a multi-dimensional god being like right you get to have a mirror when you love these parts of yourself it doesn't come before that you know you go bypass the self-love that you think you're gonna get from someone else like their traps it's a trap and consciousness but it's also normal we are pre-programmed for divine union where we're here for a lot of us sorry right I think it's deep it's deep right I think you nailed it where it's like at a soul level you know that and you're longing for that but then what happens is the ego and the unhealed ego self gets caught

1:25:04in the traps of like a trauma bond or the narcissist and path relief ship and can but like once it's so bad that they they don't see the red flags and they fall for that thinking it is the twin flame thinking it is the divine union right until finally it bullet relationship blows up at a certain point or sometimes people go many years and those and are in denial and you know then it just makes it just makes your own trauma worse and they're not healing you know it's deep I mean that's the whole podcasting of itself it's a whole yeah that's the whole topic yeah we can go ahead and start wrapping this up but I do want to bring us back to something you said really quick about Atlantis or Lumaria you talked about that infiltration hijacking the divine union right so it started back then or over there at the seat fracture point so this week you go on forever I'm quite literally I feel like this is was a very expansive conversation thank you for joining us can you please let our audience know

1:26:08like what you offer and how they can find you and all that yeah yeah I'm I'm on socials and my website and my music it's all in a loop cone it's cone with a K so it's K-O-H-N L-U-K-E look like Skywalker cone like Cohen brothers and I make spiritual hip hop and you'll soul and future folk music as a bard I'm here to tell a new new mythology so if you follow me on Instagram I create a lot of inspiring content stories I do have retreats I do do healing work I do have a free community that I'm launching this year where I'll give two transmissions a month around the energies that we're passing through so there's free ways to work with me and there's you know ways to invest in yourself and everything in between so I try to keep something for everybody to matter where they are my journey yeah I have a newsletter I'm watching this year bringing back thank you thank you so much for that I put your website into the description below I'd love to hear more about your music maybe we can do this again someday yeah yeah I'd love to have another conversation I just dropped the song today called all of my energy featuring really fangs and my best friend herb young who's out of

1:27:09Chicago and it's the courses I'm calling all of my energy back to move back to me back to me and it's a positive affirmation because you know a lot of the hip hop that was like hijacked by the industries you're creating negative subconscious operations code dependent affirmations self-destructive affirmations so this one's about calling all of your life force back from any way any place that you've given your power away I love that I think we just we just drop a music video today for that where is that available on youtube i've a youtube with all my music videos as well okay great all you can you can with you okay awesome the link in the description for your youtube and ironically we were we never even got to the sacred sites talk but maybe that's yeah that's very a lot of time yeah we were it you know be for the audience we were talking about it before we went live and we were gonna start with that but it just didn't happen that way so I felt like everything we shared was very necessary for people that are gonna find this video and I appreciate what you do and and keep up the great work thank you so much for joining us today

1:28:10thanks on the book and thanks thanks for having me on and you guys ever want to come out the glass and bury for sacred sites I'll be out there I'm out there most summers and falls so yeah okay yeah we'll stay in touch and yeah everyone go check out his website and I'll put his youtube video in the description as well we'll go check out that that new song you just dropped today and thank you all for being here we can't do this without you thank you for the love and support it means everything to us and it's the reason we keep doing this so until next time have a great evening afternoon good night