EP 362 | Peter Fuller | Solar Warden - Naval Space Command | US NAVY Secret Space Program

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3:13Hey guys, welcome back to the show. Just a few quick things before we get started. Our conference is well like 30 days away. I mean, it's right, a month away, right around the corner, Rebels of Disclosure 2025. It's our fourth annual conference in graft and Illinois. And there are tickets still available. If you would like to join us, journey to truth.online has all that information. We have four day passes, one day passes. If you can't make it the whole time. And after the conference on the very last day, Friday to 16th, we are doing a field trip to Cahokia Mounds, which is a pyramid site in North America, technically a mound site. But it's still very much represents the same energy and technology as the great pyramids do. And it's a lot of fun. And there should be, we're expecting some major activations this year because we just got back from Egypt and we're going to be bringing that energy to the mounds. And we couldn't be happier and more excited to share that experience with you guys. So if you'd like to join us, journey to truth.online has all that

4:17information. And if you can't make it in person, we have live stream virtual passes available that do include a replay and a six month downloadable replay. So again, journey to truth.online, we would love to see you there. It's right around the corner. Today's guest is Peter Fuller. He is an author. And actually, I'm going to read his bio. I never read anyone's bio, but I am going to read a portion of his bio just because I find it very interesting. Peter Fuller worked in the military history department of the Glenbow Museum in Calgary, Alberta, Canada for eight years. He has studied military history for decades, written numerous articles and lecture that major museums and universities on the subject of military history. And it goes on and on. But the reason I find that very interesting and important is because he is author of a six book series. Only four books are out, but a six book series titled Solar Warden, which is the Naval Space Command Navy Secret Space Program. And I'm very interested to pick his

5:23brain on what inspired him to write these books because being a military historian, obviously, he must have come across some evidence to support the claim of a Solar Warden secret space program. So welcome to the show, Peter. Thank you for having me on your podcast. It's an honor. Yeah, absolutely. We're excited. We're excited to have you here. So I know I kind of just read through your bio, but maybe you can do a little better job than I did, explain it who you are, how you got into this and what inspired you to even start writing these books. Okay. I've always been fascinated by UFOs, even at a very young age. And I read as many books as I could find on the subject growing up. I had a couple of experiences of my own with UFOs and I'll get into that a little later. I have also been fascinated by military history. And so studied that as well. It's been a kind of a lifelong sort of journey for me.

6:28But what really got me started with the secret space program is, I guess, when was this? This was probably about 10 years ago. There was a television show on called The Conspiracy Show. And the host was Richard Serrett. And you can find this online. One of the episodes that he did on his show was titled The Secret Space Program. And I mean, he had some pretty heavy hitters on this show that he was interviewing is Michael Shrat. There was Thomas Vellone. There was Richard Dolan, Poa Harris. He interviewed all of them. And they had a lot to say about the fact that there was secret technology that was being used by the government in black programs. And that just kind of peaked my interest. And then I would say probably about 10 years ago, I have a friend in the US. And he asked me not to use his name. But his father was, I guess what you would call

7:32a forensic accountant. And he worked for the US Army. And he had the highest top secret access. So he could walk onto any US military base anywhere in the world. And they would have to not only open their doors to him, but they would have to open their books to him. And so he did forensic accounting to try and find out where the money was going. And interesting thing. Now I know this is hearsay. However, my friend is legitimate. And I can vote for him. But he said after his dad retired, there was one night when him and his dad and his three brothers were sitting out on the porch after supper. And dad had a couple of beers and kind of loosened his tongue a little bit. And he started telling his boys about some of the things that he saw through his forensic accounting. One of those things was that in the mid 1960s, you know, focus on the date for a second.

8:35He discovered that the military had developed an electromagnetic shield. You know, like on Star Trek shields up. And what they did was they were they were testing it. And he said that they fired they had a tank. And they had it protected by this electromagnetic shield. And they said they fired pretty much every conventional weapon at this thing. And it stopped every single one of them. Now how I know that this is not just, you know, a story that that dad was telling after a few beers is because of some of the things that he said. First of all, he said that the shield generator was almost as large as the tank. And it had to be hauled in a trailer behind the tank. The next thing he said was he said even though it protected the tank against all of the conventional weapons that they had, they couldn't figure out how to get the shield extended underneath the tank. So it could literally be taken out by a simple landline.

9:39And I started thinking, okay, this is in the mid 1960s. This is all analog technology. What do you think they have now? Some 60 years later. And not only that, but if you took that same shield generator and you mounted it in an aircraft or a spacecraft, that would it would create an entire 360 degree bubble of protection. Another thing that he said that his dad told him was in the mid 1960s again, the military had developed a ray gun, a functional ray gun like Star Trek's phasers. He said that the only problem with it was that a single unit would cost over a million in 1965 money. So he said it wasn't practical to be able to manufacture and provide for ground troops or whatever. But think about this. Well, Captain Kirk was firing his phaser on a television

10:41in the mid 1960s. The army already had a version of that that was functional even though it was super expensive. And so finally dad said, you know what? He says, I've said enough, I shouldn't be telling you guys this, even though he was retired, that he still had, he was still bound by a nondisclosure agreement. But of course, his boys are going, no, dad, tell us more, tell us more. And my friend, after his dad died, my friend found in his mom's basement a block of steel that was about three quarters of an inch thick. And in the, and it was like maybe 12 inches square. In the center of it was a hole. And along the edge of the hole were these little blobs of metal that look like, I mean, I'm sure that you've all seen the, you know, the slow motion where they dropped the water into, they dropped a droplet of water into a container of water. And in slow motion, you get all of these little nodules that kind of rise up as the, the droplet of water hits

11:47the surface. We said, that's what, that's what this thing had in steel. So something very, very hot had struck this block of steel and punctured a hole in it and left these droplets around around the perimeter. And he said that he, he sure it's in his mom's basement. But he said his mom lives in, in the northern United States. He lives in the southern United States. He says, next time he goes to visit, he's going to check his mom's basement and see if he can find this block of steel. And he's going to send me a photograph. So that, what his dad said was that that was a, that was a test object. They were testing a directed energy weapon. And, and, and so these, these stories that he was telling me, they connected to this conspiracy show about the secret space program and the technology that they were discussing. And then was 2015.

12:50There was a program on television called Hangar One, the UFO Files. And one of their episodes was Space Weapons, which was specifically about Solar Warden. And as I'm watching this program, I'm thinking, wow, that would make an excellent story. So I started writing. And I started doing a lot of research and combined the two and came up with this series on the secret space program. And I started writing the first book. I only intended to write one book. And, but when I was finished, the idea is just kept flowing. So I wrote book two. And then I wrote book three. And I'm, and book four, and now I'm on book five. And I'm going to try and end it with book six. So that's kind of where it came from and where I'm at right now. Finding great candidates to hire can be like, well, trying to find a needle in a haystack. Sure, you can post your job to some job board. But then all you can do is hope the right person comes along, which is why you should try Zippercrooter

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16:01Megastore profits, they deserve it. Don't they? Tell Congress, stop the Durban Marshall Money Grab for corporate megastores paid for by the electronic payments coalition. So being a military historian, did you actually have a military background? Does that mean that you were in the military? Are you just studied? No, okay. No, I was never in the military. I worked in the military history department of the Glenbowmys Museum in Calgary. And I worked there for eight years. So I kind of sort of got my military grounding there, but I never had the honor of serving in the military at all. Okay. Thanks, but that clarifies things. So regardless, the fact that you were inspired to write these books after your years of research and actually first-hand stories and obvious evidence in your eyes that there's something going on as early as the 60s, maybe even before that. I think that holds a lot of weight. It carries a lot of weight whenever you turn that

17:05into a story that's a best-selling series. And I mean, who knows where the true inspiration is coming from? A lot of people say when you start writing, it's like a stream of consciousness or you're channeling or you're tapping into some real information sometimes. So do you think anything like that is occurring when you get these ideas? I don't think so specifically. When I started doing my research, I discovered a lot of things that led me to the conclusion over time that there is actually a secret space program out there. And not just my friend's dad, but there's a lot of whistleblowers and there's a lot of people who provide what I consider to be solid information with regarding to this. And the thing is there's two points I'd like to make about this. Number one, you have to be very careful. You don't believe everything you see or hear.

18:08Especially on the internet. And I did a lot of my research on the internet, but I did a lot more through books, through interviews, through videos, that kind of thing, listening to people. So the internet is filled with misinformation. And there's landmines everywhere, so to speak. And you have to be very careful. You have to filter that information through other information and decide, okay, yeah, this guy, I don't necessarily believe what he's saying, but this guy is legitimate, just based on what he said and the people that he's been in contact with, where he's worked that kind of thing. And you can find out where a lot of these people, if they say that they worked for this company or they were in the military, you can find out if that's actually true. You do a little digging and a little searching. Second point I want to make is that people tend to believe

19:13what they want to believe. Okay, so if they want to believe in aliens, it doesn't matter what kind of evidence you provide them with. To the contrary, they will, most times they will just accept the fact that they believe in aliens because they want to believe that they're true, that kind of thing. So you have to come at this whole subject with a very skeptical and a very objective point of view. You have to be prepared to be proven wrong. And so it's really, and of course, as a researcher, as a writer, I have to filter through all of that. And I have to decide, okay, yeah, I can't use this information because I don't think that it's viable, but I can use this information because it's been backed up by three or four different sources. That's what I think. So go ahead. Yeah, I think it's a very healthy way to approach it. And just an

20:16example, I was buying something online recently and I didn't want to buy it off the Facebook ad because it could be a scam, right? But I really liked the product. So I went and found the website and I looked at the website. I mean, it was real, right? I couldn't find anything wrong with it. And I still got scammed. I mean, it was all I even did my research and still got scammed. So what I'm saying is just because like you made a great point, just because you find the website or find something online about it doesn't necessarily you don't know what's actually behind that. So it could be a smokescreen website, right? But regardless, I do think yeah, absolutely the true research like what we do. You can you can read it online, but not until my favorite thing to do is interview the people, meet them. And in some cases, even meet them in person and spend time with them and get to know their body language and how they live their life. Like that's how like I like to do my research surrounding the subject because you need to know these people and know what

21:18kind of person they are and sometimes they may end up being crazy and sometimes like no, this is a stand up credible military man that's that's telling the truth. And there's a big difference whenever you do that instead of just throwing your arms up saying no, that's bullshit with like you really if you want to know the truth, you have to go that extra mile is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I agree with you 100% and that's what I tried to do, you know, with my research. You never take anything at face value. Yeah, you know, if you can back it up with two or three other sources, all the better, but you know, don't just go, oh, this is interesting. I'm going to accept this based on this person's opinion or whatever. You have to, you have to be more, you know, I don't want to use the word skeptical, but yes, you have to be more skeptical than that. Right. I've tried to do in my research. So, okay, we hear, we've heard of solar warden,

22:18heard of naval space command, space force. Are they all connected? Is it all the same thing, different names? What are your thoughts on that? I think solar warden was founded by naval space command. I think it was founded by the Navy in the 1980s. That's what I've found from various sources. But I think that now, I think it's broken away and it's become its own entity. Somebody that I respect is Richard Dolan. He's a very serious researcher and he knows his stuff. And one of the things that he said about the secret space program and solar warden is that they've become what he calls a breakaway civilization. And that was a phrase that he coined in one of his books, UFOs and the, what is it? I got it right here. In the national security state, he's written two books about that. And he mentions the breakaway civilization. And what that means is

23:21that they have become an entity unto themselves and they're not bound by any other government or earth-bound government departments or whatever you want to call them. So they've actually become a separate civilization. And so they're not bound by the laws and the rules of any earth-bound government. They've become a government unto themselves. So I think that that's, you know, the sort of the current consensus is that even though they were founded by the United States Navy, they're no longer a part of it. That's the way I see it anyhow. Yeah, I would actually agree with that. You know, there's these things called black sites where you allegedly need like a queue clearance to even access it that most people don't even know where the funding comes from, Congress, but forget Congress. Nothing has to be passed through them. It really like become, it's become its own entity. It's a workaround so they don't have to go get the president's approval,

24:25right? I mean, that was, they dealt with that issue years ago, probably around the time they were developing that technology. Were you going to say something there? Yeah. Unacknowledged special access programs and Stephen Greer has been blowing the whistle on that for I think 30 plus years now. He's got documentaries talking about it. You know, there's the whole story about President Eisenhower supposedly found out about Area 51 and the stuff that was going on there. And he just assumes, because why wouldn't he at the time? Oh, I'm the president. I need to know what's going on. I need access to this. I need oversight. He is denied access. He's told this, you're not, this is not in your jurisdiction. He's the president of the United States. It's happening in the United States. And he's like furious because he's like, what the hell are you talking about? I'm the president. And he threatens to send the first army out of Colorado to invade the base if they don't let them in. And then they go, okay, okay, well, we'll show you. And then they give them this BS little, they're showing like a few things. And of course, they don't show them

25:26everything. And then he knows that he's not stupid. And then what is he, the speech he makes after that is beware of the military industrial complex and the rise of unwarranted power or an influence that gets out of control. Well, that's exactly what's happened since then. It started a little before that. And even more so since then. And then we do have, I think there's different factions. And like you're talking about the Navy and supposedly the Air Force supposedly has their own as well. And then other countries have their own supposedly as well. And yeah, I think like you said, at a certain point of technological advancement, they completely become the spray-away civilization that it's like, okay, what are you going to do? We have all this technology, and we can travel the travel space. You know, it's like you kind of naturally become break broken away from any earth based anything at that point. Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree with you 110%. I think that's exactly what's happened. And you know, according to my research,

26:32solar warden has bases on the moon and Mars and possibly further out. And they definitely have the technology to operate in space. You know, with regards to propulsion systems, weapon systems, the shields, they have cloaking technology. Finding great candidates to hire can be like, well, trying to find a needle in a haystack. Sure, you can post your job to some job board, but then all you can do is hope the right person comes along, which is why you should try Zippercrooter for free. At zippercrooter.com slash zip. Zippercrooter doesn't depend on candidates finding you. It finds them for you. It's powerful technology identifies people with the right experience and actively invites them to apply to your job. You get qualified candidates fast. So while other companies might deliver a lot of hay, Zippercrooter finds you what you're looking for. The needle in the

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29:46looking for this. That was that was initiated by a senator McCain. And what he got back from the defense intelligence agency was, I mean, it would blow your mind. There's a list of technologies here that they're currently working on. And I just highlighted a few. There's invisibility cloaking. So they're they're working on a cloaking device. Now, you have to understand that based on my research, solar warden is probably about 50 or 60 years ahead of any current technology we have here on earth. And that was confirmed by Ben Rich that the, and his skunk works, his Lockheed skunk works. You know, he said at a seminar at UCLA at his alma mater, he said, you know, he says we have things in the desert. And he met area 51 that are 50 years beyond anything you can imagine. So if you've seen it on Star Wars or Star Trek, he says we've already been there

30:51done that or decided it wasn't worth the effort. Wow. You know, to make a statement like that, but this list of defense intelligence agency research projects invisibility cloaking, traversable wormholes, a role of superconductors in gravity research, concepts for extracting energy from the quantum vacuum, that's zero point energy. You saw that a lot on Stargate SG1. Magneto hydrodynamics, which is a form of anti-gravity propulsion, quantum computing and utilizing organic molecules in automation technology, quantum tomography of negative energy states in the vacuum, ultra-capacitors as energy and power storage devices, state-of-the-art and evolution of high energy laser weapons. That's that's directed energy weapons. So these are all projects that the DIA is currently working on. And so if they're working on that and they're actually developing these things, well solar wardens 50 years ahead of them. So you know, imagine what they

31:55already have. Where did that list come from again? It was from Senator John McCain. He did an access of information and act request. I can, I can, I can email you this stuff. Yeah, I'd love to just take a picture. Great. Yeah. No problem. I'll send that to you for sure. And then another one of God here, this is, this is really interesting. And I implemented this in my novels. This is from a livermore physicist who is working for the secret space program. And he did an interview through a project called Project Kamala. And he says, this may interest you if you have a physics background. You know what signal lawn locality is when two particles and different parts of the universe can apparently communicate with each other simultaneously, no matter the distance. This is, this is a subatomic physics. And it's talking about non locality. So communication's

33:01devices have been made for communicating across vast distances and also locally using a methodology that's impossible to eavesdrop on because there's nothing traveling between the two devices. It can be intercepted. It's impossible to crack or code code break or eavesdrop because no signal travels anywhere. So there's no signal to be intercepted or decoded. It just doesn't work like that. The beauty of it is that the devices are actually so simple to build. You can create two chaotic circuits in a couple of small breadboards using cheat components with anyone can buy and they communicate with each other in this way. You can build these if you know how. The thing is, is this is a, this is a communication system where if I'm in the Milky Way galaxy and you're in the Andromeda galaxy, we can communicate with each other just like we're doing now. You know, like in Star Trek, they have their their subspace radio or whatever. And I remember there was one episode where they were up against the Romulans and Captain Kirk says to the Romulan commander,

34:02he says, you know, I've already advised Starfleet of our situation and the Romulan commander smiles and says, yeah, but it'll take three weeks for the subspace message to get to Starfleet. Well, this type of communication is instantaneous because of using this, it's using this subatomic condition, right? So that was great for my novels because I didn't have to worry about the message taking three weeks to get back to home base when they're way out in space somewhere. They communicate instantly. Well, this is this is real. You know, it's it's not like this is fantasy. I mean, I'm writing science fiction, but a lot of a lot of what I have, I'm incorporating into my novels, I believe this science fact, you know, so I think that makes it a little more interesting. It absolutely does. And you know, what you just described was quantum entanglement. Yeah, exactly. And the technology on that list, maybe you can read it again, the quantum

35:04technology. What was it? That's, I mean, that solves that problem. If they've developed that, that's your quantum entanglement right there. Exactly. Exactly. You want me to read the list again? No, just a quantum. I don't remember you just mall something that had quantum and you're highlighting it. Yeah. Space communication implications of quantum entanglement and non-locality. And this project is being led by Dr. Jay Kramer at the University of Washington. So, and when when did that when did McCain put in the request for that freedom of information? Correct. The cover letter I've got here. I'll put it in front of the camera. It's it's dated January 9, 2018. Okay, so pretty. So that's that's almost 10 years ago. Yeah, but but still recent in the grand scheme of things. Absolutely. Absolutely.

36:08So, yeah, you know, they're they're working on this on these projects in 2018. So, you know, I'm confident that a lot of them have been completed by 2025. And probably implemented. So I think the reason that might be all part of what they call the movie or the show, right? They release that information the whole list of technologies as a way to like slowly roll out and create this narrative for the public when in fact all that's been perfected in the in the programs, right? In the 80s potentially. Or maybe, you know, over the years, but regardless, it's it's happening. And I think this is all part of a way to slowly bring it out in a way to pretend like we're just now discovering this stuff so they can maintain that narrative, maintain that illusion. Yeah, and that is exactly true because Lockheed Skunk works when they're working on their projects. Like what they're working on right now, nobody knows. But when they developed the F-117, the stealth fighter,

37:15they had that fully operational back in the 80s when when President Reagan sent two F-16s in to destroy Muramar Gaddafi's house after he had been bombing people like Americans in Europe and in the Middle East. The F-117s were ready. They were functional. They could have flown in that mission. But the powers that be decided they didn't want the world to know that the F-117 existed yet. And it wasn't until they were almost obsolete that they released them to the public and they started they started using them in, you know, in their military missions. And I think that that's the way they work. They've got this stuff that they're working on now, but they don't want anybody to know about it. And that's why, you know, people say, why don't they bring this stuff out into the public? Well, if you've got anti-gravity propulsion technology, fuel propulsion technology,

38:19would you really want to release it to the public so that the Chinese could get a hold of it or the Russians could get a hold of it? You don't want your enemies to be able to have this same technology. That was the problem at the end of World War II with the development of the A-BOM. America was the only country that had the A-BOM. And I've got the guy's name here somewhere. He was working on the Manhattan Project. And he decided that, you know what, no one nation should have this technology. So he leaked it to the Russians. That's how the Russians got nuclear technology, right? And then we had the Cold War, we had mad, mutually agreed destruction, you know. But if the United States would have retained that technology, then you wouldn't have had all of that. So, you know, I mean, I can understand their justification for not wanting to release this technology to the public realm. And there's a shadow war taking place amongst all these private corporations

39:24anyway, that you know, it's not just like one person has all the answers, right? They don't have all the technology. So there's a war amongst themselves. There's a lot of infighting. So it's not like anyone actually has the permission to release the stuff. It's a lot of gray area, in my opinion. Access to affordable credit helps me pay my employees, but I don't really need it. Infliction is killing me. But who cares? Big retailers are making record profits. That's why we support the Durban Marshall credit card bill. Banks and credit unions help small businesses make payroll. This bill would cut the vital resources they need while increasing Megastore profits. They deserve it. Don't they? Tell Congress, stop the Durban Marshall money grab for corporate megastores paid for by the Electronic Payments Coalition. Warning, the following Zippercruder radio spot you are about to hear is going to be filled with F words. When you're hiring, we at Zippercruder know you can feel frustrated for Lauren even. Like your efforts are futile. And you can spend a fortune trying to find fabulous

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41:31small businesses make payroll. This bill would cut the vital resources they need while increasing Megastore profits. They deserve it. Don't they? Tell Congress, stop the Durban Marshall money grab for corporate megastores paid for by the Electronic Payments Coalition. What do you think where does Space Force come in here? Do you think Space Force is solar-warden rebranded and they're just maintaining the illusion in the surface? What do you think's going on there? I think, in my opinion, and it's just my opinion, I can't prove this either way. I think that a lot of these programs are smoke screens. And I think that they put them out into the public like the Space Force. Okay, we've got this Space Force. But what they're doing is it's we're doing this thing over here and we don't want people to look at this. So we're going to do something else over here. And we'll get the people to look at this. And that way, we can operate without too

42:33much scrutiny because the people are busy looking at this. It's like a magic trick. You know, it's what's the phrase, slide of hand. Yeah, sorry. That's exactly right, slide of hand. It's like, oh, this already is the Space Force. That's all you need to look at. Meanwhile, I can say they're doing the real stuff over here and no one's looking at that. Yeah. And that's what in my research, that's what I discovered that a lot of people believe NASA was. Oh, yeah. It was just a smoke screen while people were watching NASA rockets going up in the air over here. Then over here, they had the TR3B and they had the anti-gravity. Oh, the real the real stuff's going on over here. And then they, oh, no, this is all we have is rockets. And then oh, we can't go back to the moon because we lost the technology or whatever, like ridiculous. In 1969, we could do it. But now we have computers, everyone in the world that

43:34fits in your pocket. And we don't, we can't do it anymore because that makes sense. No, no. Well, the, and I think SpaceX plays the same. It's like an extension of NASA in some regards, like, you know, I don't know. And I believe a lot of the money that's put into NASA and SpaceX in the rocket program is just funneled into the breakaway civilizations. And, you know, so, so there's always, I mean, you have to follow the money. That's why that military or our data accountant you were talking about earlier. That's, that's like, like a great place to start whenever you're doing this research is follow where the money goes. And a lot of times it ends up into the abyss. You don't know where it's going past a certain wall, you know? Yeah. Well, case in point, September 10th, 2001, the day before 9-11, Donald Rumsfeld announced that there was 2.3 trillion dollars in his department that was missing. Yep. And, and what happened was, as of course, the next day 9-11 happened. And they completely forgot about what Rumsfeld said.

44:39And then by 2015, it was reported that 21 trillion dollars was missing. And it was all funneled into black projects. So you wonder where, where solar warden gets its financing from? There it is right there. Right. And, you know, we throw around, we throw around trillion, like it's nothing, but how many, how many zeros are behind that? A trillion is a thousand billion. Like, yeah, most people can't wrap their heads around how much one trillion is, let alone 20 something trillion. Like, right. So there's 12 zeros after a trillion. So, I mean, yeah, that's insane. 10 to 12 is our scientific notation. But we just throw that number, that word around without actually, like, we have no visual for that amount of money. Yeah. And it's just incomprehendable, actually. Yeah. Well, I mean, if solar warden is building space

45:41carriers that have squadrons of TR-3Bs and they're building bases on the moon and then Mars, where do you think that money's coming from? How much do you think a space carrier would cost based on a conventional Navy aircraft carrier? Right. I mean, they're in billions of dollars. You know, they're working on it on a new USS Enterprise. It's a super carrier. And I forget how much, how many billions of dollars I think it's like a 2.5 billion dollars or something. So how much do you think a space carrier would cost to construct? It's got to be a phenomenal amount, you know, with all the technology that it would contain. When you say they're working on a new Enterprise, is that publicly, or what are you talking about there? It's a new USS Enterprise, because the last USS Enterprise was decommissioned. And so they're building a new one. And it's a

46:41super carrier. It's a... Who's they? Who's building it? The Navy. The United States Navy. Okay. Yeah. So it's the next carrier that's being constructed. I think they just launched one here a little while ago. And they're... I forget what the class is, but anyhow, they're big. Right. And you know, you park one of those off the shore of a country and they start to sweat. You know, yeah, you know, what's interesting is, you know, we're all kind of a lot of... I'll use UFO Twitter or X now as an example. A lot of these people are like, we lie and they're waiting on these, the government and these UIP hearings and the official disclosure, right? But his government approved whistleblowers aren't necessarily going to give us the truth, right? We're going to get the small doses of it. But I think what's happened is disclosure has already happened. And the information is readily available if you know where to look. And even patents and things like

47:43you've brought to the table can prove it. And they're... I mean, you can't argue some of this information like like the patent for the inertial mass reduction device. It's an operative patent put out by the Navy that reduces the mass of the object to craft as it reaches a speed of light. Therefore, it can travel faster than the speed of light. And it's engineered into the hull of the craft. But guess what? That patent was actually just a refined patent that was put out by Nicola Tesla decade directly. So, I mean, we're talking about stuff like Tesla might be the brain, the mastermind behind all this, right? Exactly. Yeah, he was really dealt a bad set of cards. I mean, he was up against... I'm sorry, my brain's just not functioning today. Edison, yeah, sorry. I'm sorry. You know, because an Edison had lots of money and he had lots of

48:44he had lots of backing, whereas Tesla always had his cap in his hand. You know, he was a foreigner. But the thing is, I mean, if people would have paid attention to Tesla, he came up with alternating current, which our entire culture, entire civilization, works on today. Whereas Edison was pushing direct current and direct current just didn't work. And then Tesla came up with being able to put out electricity in air. He didn't need any wires. Right. He had these huge towers, right? And they put out electricity and they would power everything within a certain radius. And his dream was to have these towers around the world that would provide free energy. But of course, the powers that be said, no, we don't want to do that. We need to make money off of this. Yeah, control. We can't make money off of it. Right. Exactly. Exactly. And so they shut him down. And he had... He was developing a device

49:55that could collect zero-point energy. He called it energy from the ether. But, you know, the thing is that space is not just a vacuum. It contains a lot of energy. And who was a John Lear, I think, who came up with the formula that one cubic meter of empty space out in space contains something like 10 to the 29th power energy of energy. Just that one cubic meter of space. And space is vast. And that's what I use in my novels. My TR3Vs and all of my spacecraft have what I call zero-point collectors. And what they do is they simply draw energy as they're passing through space. And so they never run out of fuel. You know, there's no chemical thrust involved. And so they can go on indefinitely. And just on that particular note, I don't know if you guys have ever seen this. It looks like the stealth bomber.

50:57This is the B2 stealth bomber, which apparently uses electro-gravitic anti-gravity propulsion, along with conventional jet propulsion. But what it does is it positively charges the leading edge of the aircraft. And then negatively charges the exhaust that comes out of the jet engines. And this produces an anti-gravity propulsion. This vehicle can fly indefinitely. Once it gets up to cruising speed, it kicks in the anti-gravity propulsion system. And it can go forever, basically. It's essentially displacing in the front and replacing in the back. And it's more or less being pulled through space instead of perpendicular. And that's why. And it's like it's a perpetual motion machine. It can never run out of energy. Yeah, exactly. So this is current technology. This is what

51:59the US Air Force is using. And you know, which is when you think about it is pretty fascinating. You know, they're using two types of propulsion, conventional, and then the the electro-gravitic systems. Now, this is a book. If you're interested in anti-gravity, okay, where I'll get this in front of the camera. This is a book you need to buy. It's by a physicist named Paul Avillette. And it's a fascinating book, but in order to read it and get anything out of it, you've got to have a bit of a science background. Because he goes into some serious details and some serious formulas. But I want to read something here that I think is very interesting. Yeah. He says, he says, on October 2007, I heard from a reliable US government source that Boeing recently completed a classified electro-gravitics propulsion project for the military that had certain novel features. The technology works so well that they felt

53:02it could be a fantastic benefit if used on their commercial jet airliners. They reportedly applied for declassification of their invention for commercial use, but they were denied permission. Okay, so the Air Force said, no, this is for us only. So the technology is out there. I mean, there's no disputing that. But again, it's being limited by the military industrial complex wherever you want to call them. You know, the, the, um, that's what that's the private sector is a good one. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, we're talking about the propulsion or repulsion technology, right? But there you mentioned earlier in that list of technologies, traversable wormholes. Access to affordable credit helps me pay my employees that I don't really need it. Infliction is killing me. But who cares? Big retailers and making record profits. That's why we support the Durban Marshall credit card bill.

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56:12Just go to zippercruder.com slash zip to try zippercruder for free. Don't forget that zippercruder.com slash zip. Finally, that zippercruder.com slash zip. Okay, we're talking about something entirely different now, which is you're getting into the cosmic web, which some people call say that there's a mycelium network in space, even in our atmosphere. And that's what we see. We see it whenever dealer lightning follows those threads, right? Right. It's like the mycelium network on the ground that it's also in space. Well, information data can travel through that web, but what can also travel through that web if it's big enough is craft and people. And that's what we had. That's what a traversable wormhole is. And maybe they're not maybe there has to be a specific astronomical alignment for a wormhole to open or maybe they're all the time or maybe they've built a technology to identify them. And you know, whatever the case is or maybe they've made man made

57:13traversable wormholes that they need the natural mycelium network. So there's many other ways aside from needing the traditional craft to get from point A to point B in my opinion. Yeah, I agree. I think that there are there are several other elements that can be utilized that are that are not conventional spacecraft. And you know, to the point where you can be in a spacecraft in space and you can open this wormhole. And the thing about a wormhole is it's instantaneous. You go in one side and you're out the other side. There's there's no, you know, like on Stargate S21 where you go through that that that tubal light kind of thing. And it takes a while from what I've found in my research is instantaneous. So when you stick your foot through the wormhole, it's already on the other side. Right. You know, there's no there's little lag or anything like that. So, you know, you can take a spacecraft and fly it through a

58:18wormhole. And you're instantly on the other side of the galaxy. Right. And and that's the real kind of space travel that that needs to be developed. You know, instead of this, okay, it's going to take us three weeks to get to Alpha Centauri. Right. Well, no, you can be there right now. You just open a wormhole and you're there. And I think that's I think that is the case. I mean, we're already doing it with communication quantum entanglement or where Einstein's spooky action at a distance. If they do it, if they can do it with our communication, I mean, they can do it with a craft too. I mean, it's the same thing. They're already announcing on a mainstream articles that they've they're teleporting things with quantum computers now, you know, small objects, but it's they're telling you they can do it. And that, like you said, 60 years ago has been done in these programs. So, yeah, that's what we are today. Yeah. And that's the thing that boggles my mind is like, you know, when my buddy told me, you know, about his dad's story, you know, about the

59:19about the electron electromagnetic shields and the and the phasers or whatever you want to call them, you know, there are other things that he mentioned. That was back in 1965. So, what do you think they've gotten now? Right. You know, and that, like I said, was analog technology. We have digital technology. Now, and they probably have some other form of technology that's no longer that that's that has made digital technology outdated. Right. So, I mean, it's like Ben Rich said, you know, I mean, if you can think about it, we've already been there and done that. You know, yeah. So, the concept of a breakaway civilization of humans on another planet is so foreign to some people who are still trying to wrap their head around aliens or life elsewhere in the galaxy, you know. And I think that's going to be the big, the big aha moment or whatever you want to call it, when people understand that humans are out there. You know, if you're going to spread there, you're going to go doing their plan. There's going to be a fire truck and there's

1:00:21going to, you know, there's exactly something you would find on earth where if you teleported there and you're asleep, you might not know that you're not on earth, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like climbing a mountain and when you finally get to and you think that you're the first one, but then you get to the top and you find out that there's somebody else already there. Yeah. There's already not just not just somebody else an entire base camp. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Elon Musk wants to establish a base on Mars. Well, in my research, I'm pretty sure there's already a base there. Right. I agree. You know, so yeah, absolutely. I think that's part of, you know, I think they're, they're, there's always going to be this public dark and pony show when we just get to Mars and we're establishing a colony and all this stuff and that happens, right? We're going to get there in three weeks or however long it takes. That's always going to be the case for some people depending on their consensus reality and what they believe in. And then there's going to be all these people over here in their own little pocket reality that

1:01:23I already know about this stuff. And then they're, you know, we're going to be so far beyond that. I don't know what that split's going to look like, but it's really apparent that that's the case. Yeah. Yeah. And they arrive on Mars and they're, they're, they're basically living in tents. Right. You know, like like very simplistic technology. When just over the rise, there's a full base there that has, you know, all of the technology that you could imagine that makes living on Mars that much more comfortable. Right. I wouldn't want to go with Elon Musk to, to establish his base because, you know, his technology is, is conventional and it's just, it's, it's not going to cut it as far as I'm concerned. I feel sorry for those people. Right. You know, you know, what I could really go for right now. Literally anything that comes in a McDonald's carton, wrapper, or bag, or a McDonald's cup. Yes, any of those items you do it. We've got your cravings covered. Now, stop in for the flaky filet of fish, the crispy snack

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1:03:28Laskin Hawaii, loyalty program subject to terms and conditions. Sealows dot com slash terms for details subject to change point booster subject to exclusions and more terms apply one time only offer. Um, yeah, it's interesting to watch all that play out. Aaron, did you have any questions for them? No, no, this has been fascinating. Right. So going back to your books, the premise of the first book, maybe you can run us through like what that story line looks like because did you evolve? I mean, did you write this story based on something that could really happen in your opinion? Yeah, I think so. Um, you know, the thing about my solar warden novels is they take place in the present, whereas most science fiction takes place in the far future or in a galaxy far, far away. I mean, solar warden in my novels is the here and now. And the premise of the first book is there's this F-16 pilot and he's a he's an ace. He crashes, he actually

1:04:34progresses to an F-35 and he's flying out of Bogram in Afghanistan and his, he encounters two UFOs that are fighting and one is alien and one is human. And what I found in most UFO encounters, if is if the UFO gets close enough to your vehicle, it will shut down. The magnetic field just shuts down everything on your vehicle. So the engine stops, the radio stops and you just kind of coast off to the side. And that happens to him when they they do a quick fly-by, it knocks out all the systems in it in his F-35 and his F-35 crashes. He he parachutes out, he, um, he checks and he parachutes out, but he's injured in his landing. And so he's laying on the ground in northern Afghanistan, thinking that the Taliban are going to find him and execute him. And he's laying there looking up at the stars, thinking, okay, this is it. When he sees this black triangle

1:05:39approach and hover over top of him and he passes out and uh and then he wakes up on one of these solar-warden carriers called the Nautilus. And um so the the the tag of of the carrier and the captain, they discuss the possibility of folding him into solar-warden because he's such a good pilot and they could use a good pilot. Um at this point they're losing their battle against the the reptilians and the grays. And so they're looking for anything that they can find to give them an uh an upper hand. And initially he he wakes up and they explain to him where he is and he doesn't really believe it until he until he take him to a viewing port. And they're in orbit cloked in orbit over the earth and then he realizes that that what they said was true. But they ask him if he would like to join the program and he says no take me home. And um and then in the meantime they they head towards

1:06:40Mars and they're attacked and he witnesses an alien attack and he decides you know what I got to do something about this. And so then he asks if he can join the program. Now this is good in the sense that he doesn't know anything about solar-warden so he's got a million questions. So he's asking questions for the reader um and the answers of course explain everything and and and so he's acting as a go-between for the reader and what's going on and and uh and uh the answers that they give are of course the answers that the that the reader's looking for. And so that's how I approached it and of course he learns as he's going along there are struggles there are difficulties there what we call in writing pinch points um but um he uh he he gets his let the space legs and uh he gets qualified to fly the TR-3B the black triangle and uh and and and so he goes from there and that's

1:07:41basically the premise of the first book. Of course he meets this this woman named um major sandy Cooper and by the end of the book they fall in love so there's a bit of a love story and mixed it in with all of this. And uh I've actually I've actually had readers telling me that they're in love with sandy Cooper. You know go figure. It sounds like a true story to me. It sounds like something absolutely could happen is what I'm trying to say like that. Yeah yeah and that's how I wrote it yeah I wrote it that way so that so that it wasn't so far fetched that that you um uh you know you drop up out of the story or you or you it loses its credibility. I tried to make it as believable based on the research that I did as believable as possible so. And you mentioned something in there the battle between the grays and reptilians are against the grays and reptilians and that that reminds me I wanted to ask you earlier have you found any evidence in your research that supports the claim that the government

1:08:43is working with extraterrestrials. There's a joint ET government faction that is maybe part of solar warning. I have in my fourth book I introduced the cabal and they are basically Eisenhower's military industrial complex and uh in I don't want to give away too many spoilers but in that in book four there are factions of the cabal that are working with the reptilians and the grays so and and there's there's such a thing as what's called a mill ab which is a military abduction. There have been people who claim to have been abducted by aliens and while they're being experimented on in the in the periphery of the room they can see people in military uniforms. Right. So there's there's some form of collaboration going on. Yeah yeah I know all about that. Yeah. I mean I agree with that. Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry Aaron what did you say? We know all about that. Oh do you? Okay. Oh yeah. Tell me I've researched a lot about that.

1:09:49As far as we definitely have found in supporting evidence that's something like that. We're not well. Yeah. Tell you have your own experiences but. Right. Um thing. Yeah I think that's all that's very fascinating but what about a benevolent faction of extraterrestrials assisting our military in a solar warden? Yeah. In books that's book four there is a there is a benevolent faction that begins to work with solar ward and gets them out of a lot of trouble. So yeah I do have that element. Right. And we've talked previously about time travel. I have time travel in book two and book three. That element is in there as well. So I try and draw in as much as I can find through my research. There's not a lot that I've discovered and I mean my research has taken me in every

1:10:53single direction. 360 degrees. And so I try and work in as much as I can based on the research that I've done. So you know as you're reading it anybody who's familiar with the UFO community and the UFO phenomenon as they're reading my book they're going to go oh yeah okay he's got that in here. Yeah that's good. Oh yeah he's got that. Yeah. So that's what I tried to do is try and make it so that you know somebody who is familiar with the the concept of the secret space program and and even broadly the the UFO phenomenon they'll find a lot in there that's familiar to them. Right. And I think that makes the book more enjoyable too. Yeah absolutely. Oh yeah he I mean I loved the way you've approached it. I mean it sounds pretty incredible and I think people will enjoy it. Are your books primarily just on Amazon? Who's that the best way to do them? Yeah Amazon you can go to the publisher directly to the publisher. It's on Barnes & Noble. It's on books

1:11:57a million. It's on just about every platform that there is for for book sales. So you can find it on on Kobo you can find you know if you're into ebooks. Yeah it's all you've got to do is go to those those websites and just type in solar warden Peter Fuller and it'll take you right to my books. So right. Yeah so I mean I find it very fascinating that you know you started off as a military historian and here you are writing these quote sci-fi novels but I think there's a real truth to a lot of what we're what we're talking about today. So that being said have you had any of your own personal encounters extraterrestrials UFOs anything that you would like to share? Sure I'm happy to. My first encounter was when I was about 12 years old. I lived in British Columbia at the time and our house was across the street was a forest and it went on forever.

1:13:04And so me and my about four of my buddies one summer night we decided we were going to sleep out under the stars. You know we didn't have any tents we were basically bivouacchi and so we went into the forest. We found a clearing. We tossed our sleeping bags on the ground and we laid you know got inside and stared up at the sky and this was early 1970s. So there wasn't a lot of light pollution and I mean the the star field was amazing. And so we're you know we're just chatting away and it's like midnight or whatever and and we're staring up at the stars and I noticed off to my left in the sky a star started to move. Now didn't come over the horizon okay it was stationary and then it started to move across the sky. This is a message from sponsor into it TurboTax. You've sent so many emails to your tax pro and nothing it feels like you're chasing updates. But now your taxes are done for you by a TurboTax expert. So you actually know what's

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1:15:12UFO enthusiasts or researchers or whatever. The movie with about the couple that was that was abducted on Betty and Barney Hill. They made a movie with with James Earl Jones and I mean I was just glued to the TV. I mean this was just amazing right. And then many many years later my wife and I went to Cancun and we were staying in an all inclusive and so we walked from our our room out into the concourse and then there was a restaurant that was just a little ways down and so you had to walk outside for a while to get to the restaurant. So we had dinner. We were on our way back to our room and this was probably about 930 at night and I looked up into the sky and I could see what appeared to be an object. I couldn't make out the profile but it had three lights on it. It had one red light in the center that didn't blink or anything.

1:16:14It was it was constant and then it had two green lights on the outer part of it that were flashing and it wasn't a helicopter because it was only about my estimate was it was only about a thousand feet off the ground and you would have been able to hear the chop from the helicopter but it was perfectly silent and it was flying in a rectangular pattern just above and slightly off to the south from us and it was making 90 degree turns. Well I don't know if a helicopter can make 90 degree turns. I don't think it can and this thing was just flying in this rectangular pattern and we stood there probably for about 15 minutes watching it and I said honey I got to go back and get the camera and she says okay you go I'll stay here and I'll keep watching it so I ran back to our room got the camera. By the time I got back she goes it's gone.

1:17:15We contacted Move On and let them know and they did an investigation and they determined that it was an unknown it was a UFO it was a legitimate UFO it wasn't a helicopter or anything like that and then about I guess about six months later when we were at home in Calgary I stepped out onto the deck the back deck because it was it was a beautiful evening and I just you know looked up and stared at the stars and all of a sudden off in the distance there was this star that was making funny movements you know like it was a light it wasn't a star because stars are they're stationary and they move with the rotation of the earth but this one was kind of he was it was kind of flitting around so I called my wife out again and I said you know what do you make of that she goes well that's not natural and so I took photographs excuse me photographs of that they weren't very good photographs but again I contacted Move On and they did an investigation

1:18:16and they determined that it was that it was not a natural phenomenon and it was not a man-made phenomenon so those are my UFO experiences I haven't met any gray aliens or haven't been abducted although I will say I'll just add this quickly my wife in UFO abduction cases people come back with markings on their bodies and one of the most common markings is what they call scoop marks where it looks like somebody's taken a little tiny spoon and just scooped out the skin although there's still skin there there's no scab or anything and I noticed that my wife had a scoop mark on her right shin about halfway down and I said you know where did you get that she goes I don't know she goes I've had it for as long as I can remember and so then I said okay is there anything happened in your past that might sound like an abduction experience and she goes nothing really

1:19:20she said the only thing was when I was eight years old she said I woke up one night and I was floating above my bed and then she says and that's all that I remember I woke up the next morning and that scoop mark was on my shin so I believe that my wife may have had an abduction experience like Lisa yeah I would say so and you know what's interesting about you know talking about Mexico and UFO down there you know I've been in Mexico a number of times and one of my best friends was born in ways there and you know you go down there and you see little signs and stuff for aliens and extraterrestrials and you start talking to people it's not a conspiracy theory there yeah they know they they've been seeing him in the skies yeah before the children and like I talked to my friend he's like oh there's no convincing them they believe it they they see him and it's just as normal seeing airplanes for them yeah so it's really interesting when you travel the world and talk to these people you know here you got to convince somebody they're there they're like oh yeah they have a million stories and it's like that's just part of our yeah you know the only places

1:20:22the only places in the in the U.S. the United States like that or when you go to certain towns like Mount Chasta or Sedona or certain towns in Colorado where it's like more of a massive spiritual community and there's the activities off the charts I've been to those places every night almost you'll see at least four or five or more um and it's just like obvious they're like oh yeah we see them all the time it's yeah it's it's it's just like that yeah we all know they're something unknown at least or they've had their own expenses or they know they think you know there's ETs going on but yeah you go to other countries like Mexico and it's like way more people believe in this stuff it's way more um yeah accepted it's interesting right and Mexico has a lot of very serious UFO researchers yeah and they're not they're not hobbled by you know the the disbelief that we are in in in the United States and Canada

1:21:23you know and uh so it's it's um I think that their job there is a lot easier than it is for us right because they're you know they're not uh they're not limited by the government trying to hide things and and and you know making their their research difficult so right yeah so what I guess we'll go ahead start wrapping this up I'll ask you one last question as far as far as any form of public disclosure I know we kind of already touched on this but what's your opinion with us our future look like as far as ET UFO disclosure or even potential disclosure of a secret space program do you think it's going to happen or is it going to they're going to keep a lid on it well you know I've I've discovered that uh just the regular media will only tell you what they want you to know all right so when you watch a news program they're not giving you the whole story and I think that disclosure is already happening yeah it's happening um you know by

1:22:26dribs and drabs that they're what they're doing is they're they're letting they're letting go you know little bits little tidbits of information I mean like the tic tac UFOs right you know they captured those on on on F on on on F 18 radar you know and and uh so what it is is the thing is is if those are sole awarded or if those are are are secret programs then uh I don't think they would have been able to do that I think they they leaked that to to let people know you know there's something there's something going on here you know and they and and all of the experts say we don't know how these things are propelled or or who they're who they're from I think you know I've got this expression is that UFO foreign or domestic I think they're I think they're domestic right they're hours right and they're just they're kind of showing see this is what we can do and I think that you know I even Stephen Greer has mentioned this several times who already says that that he believes that the government is releasing information in tidbits and I I don't think

1:23:33that that you know you're going to see the president on the White House lawn come out and say oh by the way we have this secret space program and here's all the information on it you know it's that's not how it's disclosure is going to happen right I think that it's just going to be a little bit at a time kind of like the f 117 we won't tell anybody we haven't it and we can fly it and you know and it's fully functional well wait until it's almost obsolete and then we'll let everybody know about right and I think that that may be how they're going to disclose you know things like the secret space program but then again it comes back to the fact that that you know this is a breakaway civilization and if they don't want you to know about them and you're not going to know about them right so they they have to there has to be some compliance there with with the government now and you know I believe you I agree 100 percent and also I think we're going to get the same type of a rollout with the TR3B I think it once it's just about obsolete which it may already be

1:24:37well we'll start seeing it in the sky but here's the kicker I think they're going to tell us it's non space-faring like it's going to have this like yeah anti-gravity technology right and whatever story they give us but they're going to tell us over the kink on space or something like that and if in the sands of times books they talk about that they said that the Navy having the TR3B and then the Air Force was found out about it late and then they gave the Air Force a non space-faring version of it so if that's if there's any truth to that I think that's the one that will be released and it's going to look fancy it's going to do all this stuff but they're going to say yeah but it doesn't go to space yet you know it's going to be a it's the way it's so people can wrap their head around it you know yeah yeah this is a message from sponsor into it turbo tax you've sent so many emails to your tax pro and nothing it feels like you're chasing updates but now your taxes are done for you by a turbo tax expert so you actually know

1:25:39what's happening you can match with an expert and just hand off all your tax stuff to them right in the app so instead of guessing you can feel confident your turbo tax experts on it now this is taxes into it turbo tax visit turbo tax dot com to learn more only available with turbo tax experts real time updates only an iOS mobile app this is um a picture of the TR3B according to Edgar fuchet now notice those three black dots okay now one here it says it's a that black dot is a multi-mode liquid methane impulse rocket I don't believe that this is and then that's he's were developing flying saucer technology during world war two and that's an established fact okay there they've been books written about it this is one of their Hanabu flying saucers from world war two notice those three globes on the underside right I believe that those are gyro stabilizers right because from got a picture here

1:26:43uh and this you can see you can find this on the internet this is a very very famous paint photograph most uh researchers believe it's fake I don't believe it's fake I think it's legitimate and the caption underneath is in German and I have a friend who's uh who's a translator that's what he does for living and he translated it for me and he says the distra 51 that's what the Germans call this particular flying saucer is on time in the Vienna suburb with the ordinary weapons issue given so in other words it's flying properly okay he says no critical situation resulted the hunting protection or search and rescue was actually not necessary so the problem with and and I got documentation for this the problem with the German flying saucer says they couldn't establish a consistent anti gravity field so these things kept crashing and so that's what the search and rescue was all about but this particular one apparently flew as it was supposed to fly

1:27:49and returned to base RTB with with no problems with the with the propulsion system so you know the the thing is is you you see these these photographs of the the German flying saucers and it appears like they're using similar technology to the TR3B yeah I would absolutely read with that and yeah and I've heard that those three globes are referred to as directional gruvidics they have something to do with which direction the craft goes so the power source makes it levitate right but they need a way to steer it and that's what those those balls do um potentially I'm gonna share my screen really quick because I find this um it's perfect time to share let me let me do this find this very fascinating so you can see this uh Nazi UFO toy pulled for historical inaccuracy and it is a Hanaboo to UFO now when why would I mean talk about telling you

1:28:53without telling you why would you pull a toy from the shelf if I mean you're only drawing attention to yourself right it's like right the stress and effect so I think that I mean really it is and in the description it says it can fly with the top speed of over 3700 miles per hour um you know there's uh there's a whole history that comes with the toy and then all of a sudden it's pulled off the shelf well if it was just a toy why would you have any need to pull off the shelf you know unless they're trying to conceal some sort of a truth and even this article is so like unnecessarily argumentative right look at the Nazi did not get to space it's nothing to see here guys it literally says no it literally says no the Nazis did not get to space or popular mechanics this was this okay now I know I'm thinking the Nazis definitely got to space right and what's I find even more interesting about this I remember this happening in real time

1:29:56when it happened so 2018 was around the time when the secret space program was really getting a lot of attention in the UFO community right and it was I would say that that was the height of the secret space program information and you know the whole internet was kind of in a craze about it or at least this community right and that's the exact time they pulled off the shelf I mean talk about shooting yourself in a foot yeah exactly this this is a book um it's titled Hitler's Flying Saucers and it documents their entire Flying Saucer program and uh you know and the thing is is that this is not here say this is not conspiracy they've got documents in here um that that show you know the the the the Nazis actually had two Flying Saucer program and so there was the real real program and then there was the Honobu program and a guy named uh Sherman Shuman from Munich was

1:30:59was in charge of the the um uh the real program and then a gentleman by the name of Schauberger in Vienna was in charge of the Honobu program okay and it's all documented in this book and actually if if you want even more historical accuracy um book six of the Sansa time is the interlude in the series and it is verbatim the diary that was um the diary that was written by this German scientist from from in the forties who essentially handed it past it on uh upon his passing and Sean David Morton released that diary and it verbatim in its raw form and it has the entire history of the real Flying Saucer program the real society and how they even came into effect and they bring up Shuman Robert Shuman and the only reason he discovered the Shuman resonance is because they they turned they built this craft based on the blueprints that the real diamond were channeling they built it but they and they powered it on but they still didn't know

1:32:02where it was drawn its energy from so that motivated Shuman to start researching okay where is this power coming from and he discovered that the earth is emanating it resonates at this frequency right this 7.8 billion hertz and that's why he named it the Shuman resonance but it was all because they were trying to figure out how this UFO was even keeping itself afloat right yeah and and you know the thing is is at the end of the Second World War a lot of those Nazi scientists that were working on these programs were brought over to the United States under Operation Paperclip and several of them worked on the on the Manhattan Project and an interesting point um what's his name uh the the Nazi scientist he he actually founded NASA oh yeah we're on run um he he uh he came over he was a member of the Nazi party even though he denied you know he said he was forced to join but I mean that's that's up for for debate but anyhow

1:33:02he was the founder of NASA he built the um the Saturn 5 rockets that the Apollo program used to get the astronauts to the moon and those were based on his V2 rockets right and the thing is it's interesting because I mean you got to know where his motivations were uh he wasn't a Nazi trying to take over the world he was he just loved rockets and he wanted to build rockets because after his first V2 um rocket a rocket launching uh it came down and of course it crashed on the ground and some reporter this was during the Second World War some reporter asked him and said you know what do you think of um you know your your project and he goes well he says uh i'm very happy with it he says the only problem is is it landed on the wrong planet okay he wanted to go to the moon he wanted to go to Mars and so you know when when when Eisenhower founded NASA in the late 1950s he he made uh Von Braun the head of the NASA program because of his his expertise in in rocket

1:34:09technology so you know the uh I would say it's not just a sense of time material that that points to this being the case but I think that there's other material out there as well Von Braun was sent in to keep Americans thinking that rocket technology was the latest and the greatest way to get the space right to keep a lid on the German space program and time travel which they were also developing just by nature of the craft themselves and how they traveled they were also manipulating time right and warping didn't warping time and if you want a really interesting evidence uh well you do maybe not evidence but the latest Indiana Jones movie the dialogue destiny uh antagonist in that movie is actually Warner von Braun he's not that's not his name in the movie but he was that character was based on Warner von Braun and the whole movie the whole movie the premise of the movie is Indiana Jones and Warner van Warner von Braun after this style of destiny which is a time travel it's not a time travel device but it's a way to

1:35:12detect when a shift is going when and where a shift is going to occur and I'm like this sounds like they pulled this straight out of the sans a time book and turned it into an Indiana Indiana Jones movie yeah so I if anyone hasn't seen that movie watch it with through that lens and you can like oh they're telling you this is what you know yeah and I think the entertainment industry does that a lot they they introduce elements that are factual but they introduce them as fiction so you know we don't want you to believe this is true but take a look at this right oh and it's and it's like okay I mean I've done that dozens of times watching movies and television programs uh you know I will I will see something that that I researched and discovered that you know I believe that it's accurate and that it's it's actually in existence and I watched it on it on in a movie or on television and going yeah you know what this may be another form of disclosure I don't know but uh but that's

1:36:17happened many times yeah I agree I agree well this has been a fascinating conversation thank you for joining us today we can go on and on but you've clearly done your research and I encourage everyone to go grab your books we'll have the link in the description but yeah keep it up I can't wait for a book for five and six I guess five yep five and six yeah well thank you gentlemen for having me on your podcast it's been a real honor and I've really enjoyed this conversation I don't have a lot of people to talk to when I get an opportunity like this it just it's uh it's such a treat so thank you again both of you you're in good company and I don't know where you're located but you know you're invited to come out and hang out at our conference in May um if you'd like and graffin Illinois it's we you know it's a whole you're gonna be 200 people there that talking about this stuff so if you're in love I'd love to join it look into it Jeff yeah yeah absolutely we'll we'll stay in touch but um yeah and anyone listening if you want to come out we'd love to have you there journey to truce.online you can find all that information it's right around the corner it's

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