EP 356 | Former Master Sergeant Jason Sands | Joint ET / Government Programs | "I know what I saw"

0:00That's no moon. It's a space station. Hey guys, welcome back to the show. Just a few quick things before we get started. Our four day disclosure conference is coming up in May. May 12th through the 15th and grafting Illinois. We have 13 speakers this year. It's our fourth year doing it. It's a lot of fun. Tickets are still available. If you want to come hang out, we have four day passes, one day passes. And if you can't make it in person, we have live stream passes available. All of that information is at journeytotruth.online and that link is below in the description. It's right around the corner. So grab a ticket and come hang out. We're going to have a blast. We can't wait to see you there. And today we are excited to be joined by former master Sergeant Jason Sands. You may recognize him from the Joe Rogan podcast or more recently, Dr. Salah's interview. And

1:05you know, he's kind of making his rounds in the UFO circuits. You may probably be familiar with his testimony, but we're going to try and go a little deeper and talk about some of the things that he doesn't usually get to discuss because he's telling the, you know, the main story all the time. And to be honest, you know, some of the interviews I've listened to sound more like interrogations than interviews. And this isn't going to be like that. We believe his story and we want to go deeper and have an actual discussion about this. We're not approaching this as skeptics. So we're really excited to, you know, to have him join us today and see what we can get into. But before that, I'll let him introduce himself. And Jason, if you don't mind, just giving us a brief background of your military experience and how you kind of found your way into this field. Sure. I'll join the Air Force in 1985. My first job was to be a repairman for aircraft. It was an airframe repair specialist. Did that for about three years? Then I had to cross

2:09train out due to some manning overages in my current, or in that repair career field. And when I switched jobs, it was an intelligence job. So that's when I had to get my clearance. They did their back yard investigation. And I began working in some about Germany as an intel analyst right after that. So I had had a lot of telecommunications, monitoring missions that was my job to do. It was just a regular thing where we'd go from installation to installation. And we would monitor the telecommunications and assess their security. And then we would debrief the staff, tell them what we found, help them with any vulnerabilities. And then we moved on. And we were about every two, you know, each mission was about two weeks long. Anywhere between, you know, seven to four more people, like 15 people, depending on the scope

3:10of the mission and whether or not we were working 12 hours shifts all day 24 or 7 through the whole thing. So that's how I got introduced telecommunications monitoring and had a clearance given to me. So my next duty station was to go to Nellis Air Force Base. That was their station there for about six years. And of those six years, three years of those were in the program. The program being, you know, dream line program where they do the reverse engineering, got the exotic tech and all that sort of stuff that I got introduced that pretty quick after I got stationed there in 1991, I believe. And then I exited the program in 1994. But anyway, I was doing the same job I did before in Germany. However, they added to me sort of an additional set of responsibilities to do the same thing for the special access program that they introduced me to.

4:11So it's primarily using the same equipment that I normally would use. However, there was only four people right into the program that were analysts like myself. They were the ones that kind of had an eye on me. There was no paperwork involved in their selection of me. But apparently they liked some of my analytical work because I'd worked with them on other missions. I'd had worked with them on digit shield, digit storm, sent to comm so that I think that's where they kind of saw some of my work and ability to analyze things. So that's when I got introduced. They said I'd have to take a polygraph. I might can tire background, you know, looked into with a fine tube cone. And I said, yeah, I got nothing to hide. Go ahead. You know, so everything went fine. Next thing I knew I was flying into Dreamland and taking a base tour with the commander. And I was very exciting times for me. And then I did my three years

5:12in the mission. Came out of that, due mainly because I made a mistake of on one of the missions down to New Mexico. I wanted to bring my wife and kids to the zoo over the weekend because it didn't want to be bored. And I thought it was a good time. I was newly married and everything else had a brandy baby and everything else. So I just wanted to be with them. But apparently that was a very taboo thing. Managed to really piss off a lot of people. So they asked me to leave the program and they actually wanted to kill me at first for what I had done. I didn't realize how severely they looked at that. So that led to some other repercussions. And then I got out of the program. I went into doing my normal job again after I got read out. So I continued telecommunications monitoring. And then as I gained a little bit more rank, they allowed me to go to information operations school when I graduated that and began working as a joint planner in Hawaii.

6:19And after Hawaii, I became a superintendent down at Herbert Field, Florida, which is where my kids wanted me to go. My choice was either to work in Colorado or Florida. The kids just after they got done being with me in Hawaii, they thought Florida would be a great place to go because it had the same temperature and things like that. That's how my Air Force career went. My retired in 2007, honorably, as a Master of Sgt. did 22 years. And it was pretty much a defense contractor ever since after that. So that's now an old one. Wow. Yeah, that's great. So like I said, we won't make you tell the same story over again like you have on every other interview. But you know, just for the people who don't know, Dreamland is Area 51. That's what you're referring to there. And is that where you encountered the extraterrestrial? Was it on in Area 51? Or was that a jealous? No, my encounter happened after actually got read out. I was read out earlier

7:23in 1994. And then later that same year, that's when the encounter happened in the desert with this, what I think it was an alien that was working with Dreamland, people, personnel, or inside the program somehow. And I think he had some kind of a disagreement or an altercation. And that led to him, exiting. So we actually encountered him on the dirt roads. When his craft was landed over by a quartz mountain, which is south in west of Green Lake or Dreamland. Okay, I got here. So, okay, so knowing what you know now and you know, everything that you shared on the other interviews, you know, we kind of got bits and pieces of what you believe is actually going on. But maybe you could give us like your 40,000-foot view, your elevator pitch of what is happening with the the government, the joint government,

8:23ET classified programs and the reality of that world. Well, yeah, just I know you guys are more familiar with my story. So I'm glad I don't have to go over everything. But yeah, just between both my professional work inside the program and my desert encounter, it led me to see certain aspects about the culture that's there in the program, which is kind of what I thought led to some concerns for me because when I was doing my telecommunications monitoring inside the program, there were certain calls where we they were talking about tall whites grays and they were in laboratory environments and the the way they set up these laboratory experiments, the humans were not allowed to even come in when the tall whites or grays were coming in. So that first of all, you know, meant to me as an analyst that humans

9:30vice these tall whites and grays, we were talking about, you know, different species of bees or, you know, at least different types of people. So anyway, the other thing aspect about the laboratory environment that I took as an insinuation or an assumption was that the way that it was handled as well, the way that the things that the tall whites and the grays were involved with is that they didn't really want to touch any of the weapon systems. They only helped in in kind of setting up the laboratories and tearing down their stuff because as you know, when you're testing equipment and you're looking at radar signatures or cloaking or any other types of things that you might have a technology you're wanting to test, the more pristine your data is, the better off you are in finding out that is this the right angle for this part of the aircraft or weapon systems

10:33or so forth. So this is what the aliens or tall whites and grays were doing was trying to silence all the junk noise and data that might be coming into the lab so that they would get a really good test when the humans came in. So they were just mainly helping out with that. So what that led me to believe was that this is not a free for all. It was a very controlled environment where the tall whites and the grays did not want to, I guess, get involved in the weapon system itself so that told me that there's a little bit of tension there with them even participating. However, it also made me think, well, there's still something in that these tall whites and grays are getting out of it, out of this deal. I mean, they're in the laboratory. They are indeed helping. They're just refusing to help with the weapon systems. So there's some, and that to me as an analyst,

11:33there's some kind of an agreement there. And so that's what my conclusion would be just from my experience when it comes to, if there is interaction on these technologies. So I've had people challenge me on, you know, what is the tall white, what is the gray, are these code words for other scientists? And I'm like, no, that's not what they're saying. These actually were talked about as being a group of tall whites and a group of grays in a group of humans. Like, they were all different people. And besides that, the code name conventions they use in the military are not like tall white and gray, they would never name them that. Right. So if I'm not mistaken, the alien that you encountered in the desert, didn't you make a comment, like a derogatory comment towards the people at Dreamland? Can you let, can you repeat that? Yeah.

12:33Yeah. So I've had a lot of my friends that were intel analysts also saying, that's, you know, I shared my story on a classified network before I was able to download it as an unclassified event. And, you know, it's my public speaking pieces. But as I was going through that storyline about, you know, how everything chronologically went through, yeah, the question came up is, why was he there? You know, why was he wearing a uniform that looked like ours? All these sorts of things. So yes, they get to your question, though, is that yeah, at a certain point, he did have a derogatory comp made a derogatory comment about considering the people in Dreamland or Dream Lake as being murderers and barbarians. And that's what he felt. So that's what I had to go off of is that, yeah, he'd had that some kind of a negative experience with them. And then we were left as intel analysts

13:35looking at that and theorizing, well, why would he be out of Dream Lake? Why would he be kind of angry or upset with the people that work there and why is his craft needing repair, you know? So we kind of came to a the best theory that kind of fits all of that. And on top of that, why was he wearing a military uniform? After we talked about it, the scenario seemed to be, maybe he was working in the program as one of the workers there. And he got in an altercation with somebody who was working there. And when he got in the craft and tried to leave, he was shot at and it damaged his craft. And that was why he was there. That's why he needed help. It also why he was wearing the uniform was that he was actually working in the in the program. So maybe the the issue uniform, the folks that work with the humans, they help

14:37you know, fit in, I guess, or something. And those are the kind of things that I settled up on and the other intel analyst thought, yeah, that's probably the best scenario or theory about why he was there. Right. Are you familiar with, which is Carl's Hall, his testimony or the tall white? Yes, his millennial hospitality book, yes. And I've watched his video from beginning to end. Yeah, I feel he is telling the truth because he mentioned certain things about his job, the position as the whether man or the whether whether station person and all that stuff. I was told the same thing from the base commander when I he gave the base to her that his position allowed to walk wherever they wanted on the range in in groom Lake. And yeah, I can verify that that is truthful. And that's something or piece of information nobody would know unless you work there. So I can

15:38verify that that alone convinced me because I was like, this guy had to have worked on that on that or at that whether station that's right there at groom Lake. Right. Okay. So I'm going to put you on the spot here. You said in a previous interview, there are things that people aren't ready to hear about as far as, you know, I guess the the audiences that you were speaking to on those interviews. Yeah. Is there something that you haven't shared as far as what's actually going on, the bigger picture that you would like to share or you can share? Well, I think what happened was, you know, that yeah, that that space that you're talking about was in December and I got kind of attacked in the middle of it. I was trying to just tell people and respond to people about, you know, I tried to honestly respond. However, some of the people didn't want to believe it, couldn't believe it. And not only did they not want to believe me because I don't care if you believe me or not, but they started getting really rude and all that stuff. So I know that's that's what

16:39you're talking about. So I was kind of thankful when Jake Barber came forward because I knew him, I knew about him and what his participation in the program was the year before. And I actually had a hand in getting in through Congress and becoming a whistleblower, I'm really proud of him for what he's done. But if you think about what I said in December and what Jake Barber has said since, you know, not that I want to drag, you know, take into this, but he will probably agree that it's a bit messy when it comes to recrievals. You know, we've had people say that they've actually had altercations with people that retrieve the craft when they are crashed and they're retrieving them that we've had our own army soldiers in altercations with them as well. And even death threats levied at our own troops because they're, I think one of them said that they were going to kick what Herrera, I think, would write out the chopper if they wanted

17:41to know what he would say anything or you can find their body that kind of stuff. So these people really feel like they're above the law. And not only that, it's obvious they are very bent on getting their treasure whenever they can. And their treasure being, you know, retrieved aircraft retrieved or not aircraft, but spacecraft or UAP and their pilots and biologists. So when you say altercations, is that between different like private factions, like classified sectors, kind of that's done? Yeah, they alluded to that as well. I think he mentioned they were trying to get a barrel that had some or a container of some kind that had some hard drives in it that he had to retrieve and he had to find and retrieve. And in that rendition of his story, he does describe that you have to be on your toes, there may be altercations. And in that particular retrieval of these hard drives, he mentions there were other groups. There was at least one other

18:43group out there trying to find it too. So it's kind of like a race to get to those hard drives. And yeah, he's probably, you could be very seriously telling you that this is kind of messy. It's like a treasure hunt. A lot of times where first come, first serve, you know, just like when you're gold miner, you strike gold all the other gold miners around you want to kill you for it before you can get to the bank and cash it in. And that's kind of what's going on with these retrievals. They're high value assets to get. They're highly valuable for both reversions and hearing purposes and the biological material and things like this. So yeah, they are, it's kind of a very much like a pirate's game, you know, highly mercenary involved, highly trained killers a lot of times. And stuff like that, just like Jake said, I am the boogie man. Yes, those are the kind of people

19:44that get involved in this sort of work. So if you take all that into context between what I was starting to elude to back in December and I got lambasted. And what Jake Barbara said, we're kind of saying the same thing. There's a messy part to all of this. There is dirty work to all of this. And that's putting people's lives in danger, but they're signing up and signing contracts or to be forced for one reason or another to produce this mercenary work and become can in fodder for, you know, maybe a gun fight trying to get it some of this material. So that's what I'm having. I don't think the public's quite ready to hear all of that because they've been so wrapped up in just believing if this is something that's real or not, you know, whether these shiny craft and orbs are real or not. And they can't even get past that little loan, you know, the reality of what's actually happy. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, that's where people are hung up. It's like, you know, there's this cognitive dissonance there, you know, and one of your interviews, I can't remember his name off

20:48to top my head. You mentioned even hearing something about Astart Command and immediately, they were like, oh, we can't go there. That speculation and change of subject. And you know, Astart Command shows up in uphology, right? I mean, that's just there. There's books written about it, whatever. So the fact that, you know, you heard, you overheard that, like, why, why write that off and call speculation when we have a lot of data points that pointed at being something very real? And I don't know if you have any information on that, but maybe you could share where you heard that. Yeah, that was again, while I was on mission. And the name Astart Command came up. And I remember distinctly asking one of the one of my friends who were there, one of the other three guys that were with me. And I said, do we have a base or a command or headquarters in India or Asia somewhere? And I'm like, no, why? And I said, they just referred to Astart Command, like it was somebody they deal with on a regular basis. And they're like, here, let me listen to

21:51that. So they listened to it and they were all puzzled about it too. None of us, you know, back to Astart Command was not really a big UFO thing. And maybe they mentioned in a few books here and there. But none of us had heard that term before. And yeah, we all thought about that and thought about even if we could report on it because we really have a lot of information other than the fact that it was an organization or some kind that these program people were dealing with to do their work. So that was very humbling. When later on, I did have people talk to me about Astart Command from the UFO community, but many years later. And I was like, wow, so that, you know, I'm like, yeah, I've heard this before. And now I'm starting to wonder, okay, well, what is this? So I'm asking these people that have done some research on Astart Command. And I'm reading through there. And it's supposed to be some kind of a technical exchange or some kind of a exchange of information

22:57between this galactic, not galactic, but I guess this organization of body of other intelligence beings around here in the Milky Way galaxy, that they do come to Earth. They don't do a bold facetly, but they meet with certain people, like the people in the program to see what our progress is and see if there's something they can offer us. Yeah. So when I heard that, I was like, well, gosh, that kind of jives with what I knew about the labs, you know, that, yeah, that maybe part of the agreement that they have with Astart Command and so on and so forth. So yeah, it kind of started to fit in with some of my analytical, political work. And I was like, wow, you know, that's a possibility now. So yeah, Astart Command is a real word that I heard on the mission, so I can verify that. So what exactly it was, they didn't describe it as much as these people later, years later,

23:58had told me I didn't know any of that. And I can't verify that. But these other people that have heard from other witnesses, that's what they're saying that Astart Command does. Is it some kind of an interface between the higher intelligence in our galaxy and us kind of they're kind of watching us and they're helping us and they're trying to, you know, get us to continue our growth. Yeah, that's all I know about it. Yeah, I mean, that was a great summary and the great analysis, I believe. And did you have any questions for him before I jump into the next thing here? Hmm. I have a question before before you join the military, have you had a history of UFO contact at all or anything? Okay. Yeah, it was followed by my family around you. Okay. Yeah, starting very early on when I was four or five, maybe even earlier, but I can't verify it. That was too young. But four or five, yeah, I did have

25:03something and run in with a pit of file that was when I was over in England and I was a little boy that's where it's born. And this gentleman was going to, you know, do his nasty on me. But once he knocked me to the ground, I lost, I couldn't move and I lost my ability to see what I could hear and I was aware of things around me. And somebody came to my rescue. So he got the guy off me and the guy got scared. He ran off and this person who I thought was a Bobby or a police officer, they call him Bobby's in England. But anyway, I thought it was a Bobby and had had seen it or seen me getting hurt and wanted to help. So anyway, he picks me up and asks me where I, you know, where I lived. And it told me I had 44 sexual row just around, you know, I was nearly home when this happened. But so it was just up and around the corner. I noticed when he did pick me up,

26:10he was very strong. It was almost like I was a paperweight to him where he just, you know, literally got picked me up with it. Anyway, so he gets me to my front door and I'm like, sir, I can't, I can't see. And he touched me on my temple, my right temple or my left temple, rather. And all of a sudden, I had a little bit of a blurry vision, but my vision started coming back and I could see it was not a police officer or a Bobby. It was a platinum haired, blue eyed person who didn't stand very much taller than me. He very much looked like an adult and he had this sort of a grayish silver jumpsuit with a white sash around his waist. And I didn't get in the door, but he just opened the door which should have been locked. And I don't know how he did that, but he just opens the door and he just says, your vision will be perfect in a while. And I was just really thankful when I was told him, thank you so much. Thank you. He was like,

27:14no problem. I'm glad we were here that we could, you know, help you. So anyway, I had a splitting headache and I just went inside and it was just very thankful that I'd been saved, you know, laid down on the couch waiting for my Nana to come home or my mother. I can't remember who came home first because my mother was an hour and at the time and sometimes she would work late and sometimes my Nana would be the first one I would see. So anyway, they came in, either my Nana or my mother and gave me a ice pack from my head and all that kind of stuff to make my head a go away. And I slept a lot that day. So anyway, the following day is when it really gets curious because they returned and they wanted to check up on me so that I've not came on the door. My mother answered the door this time and I went, you know, I got up from the table where I think I was either drawing, you know, whatever there was like a little dining or a table off to the side. So anyway, I walked to the window, the front window so I could see

28:17he was knocking on the door and it was the people that had, or the guy that had saved me, but there's this other guy standing there and he looks a lot like him. They could have been like brothers or almost twins. They both had platinum hair and blue eyes, great, great suits with the sash. And I could hear them talking to my mother and I went back to go sit down. And my mother was just trying to entice the man to say, oh, thank you for helping Jay, you know, Jason, now and he has, he had a really bad bump on the head and they're like, it's okay. And she's like, yes, yes. She's like, come on in and have some tea, kind of some tea. And they're like, no, no, we don't have time for that. And so she was very insistent with them. So they remained on the porch and then she went back thinking they were going to follow her in such enough the door open and she went to go make some tea because she was going, damn it. She's, yeah, I'm going to give them tea. They helped my son yesterday. So anyway, she goes back to the door. After she puts the tea out on the table and she knows they're gone. They're just gone.

29:18And so they disappeared again and nobody knows where the went up. And the street is very long, you know, the turn that cut it gone around, I guess if they'd walked quickly enough or whatever, but she just felt like they kind of disappeared on her and they didn't come in and have tea. So she remembers that very well. So it's not just me testifying to this. I'm probably going to write a book and have my mother describe some of these experiences because she was there for at least two of them, two of the major events of my life. But anyway, ends up, here's another strange part, is these two gentlemen show up later when I'm 10 years old after I've had my UFO experience in San Jose, California. So this follows me from England all the way at the San Jose, California. And this is when my mother, she had a really rough time with my dad and he wanted some separation. So he had just signed up for a tour over in Vietnam. And he wanted her to have a house in California.

30:23And with planning, I'm probably divorcing her later because they just weren't getting along. So he didn't help out much. We had very little food. We didn't have any furniture when we first got there. Yes, the house was pretty much all that my dad gave us really and paid for. But the rest was all on my mother's head. And she had to work like three jobs just to get by. Sometimes we only had like a package of hot dogs to go for a whole week for us. And she had to feed me and my two sisters. So it's not very good times, very poor, very tough. Anyway, so these guys show up again during this early on onset of this hardship time with us in San Jose. And they came to the door and they speak to my mother. And it was very protective, very spiritual like it was before because there was always this sort of feeling of peacefulness whenever they showed up. So anyway, they talked about some really strange things that she still

31:25remembers because they're mainly interested in talking to her about, well, are you okay? And they even said stuff like, do you believe in God? So I thought that was kind of interesting as well. But these are the things that she remembers they talked to her about. But again, she said, these were the same two gentlemen identical to the people that we've had seen in England. However, instead of just having their suits on, they had these strange sort of blue or purple-ish looking rain jackets with their hoods up. But after that visit, every week we had groceries dropped at our doorstep. And we thought it was maybe one of the neighbors. We went around the whole neighborhood and nobody confessed to it. They're leaving us any kind of groceries. They just started showing up. So it could have been them or it could have been the neighbor that just didn't want to confess to doing it. So here's there's two experiences with these platinum, here at Blue-eyed Beings. So I thought they kind of sounded like Nordics. But they were both about

32:29the same height. They were probably, they weren't much taller than me when I was 10 years old. So they couldn't have been more than about four foot five or five foot tall. So they're kind of short, but they look like adults. Very much like an elf, an elf would look if you were, you know, but they didn't have pointy ears. So it's kind of strange. Yeah, that's some of the, some of the stuff that followed me around when I was a kid. And my mother King also identified with that. Yeah, that's fascinating. It's beautiful. If they were, the ones bringing you groceries, that's an incredible story. Yeah, it shows some of their compassion for us. Why they chose my family, I've been told, you know, for me, it's a mystery. I don't feel I'm special or anything. However, other people say that because I'm maybe partly Native American, Indian, you know, Native Americans blood and animation on my father's side.

33:31And that seems to follow people, you know, that are from First Nation people, that are in the tribes and stuff. Yeah, that's part of the history. So maybe that's what attracts them. Or maybe they're kind of like what the Bible's talking about because talking about God with my mother. Maybe they're kind of like guardian angels or some kind or the watchers that people have said that, yeah, these are the people that actually are extraterrestrials and show up in our ancient texts, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I would say all the above is possible. And it's even possible that they have some sort of timeline technology. They knew the important role you would be playing in disclosure today, right now. And they want to make sure that you were taking care of and that you stayed on that path, right? So, I mean, you know, things can happen in your reality where like they'll make subtle nudges to something in your life that will steer you in a certain direction that will, you know, place you somewhere where maybe they know that

34:33you're going to thrive in that area, right? So something along those lines could occur and protect you like the kind of file, you know, protect them here, otherwise that will completely take you off course, you know, anything. So, okay, I'm going to go backwards a little bit to you were talking about the altercations between different groups and retrieving these UFOs. Have you heard of any altercations of humans with extraterrestrials? Because I know that, you know, there's this like, you know, tagline going around, you've been coined as the alien assassin. So, maybe you can share, you know, what that was and it helped us understand. Well, it goes along with what I said about, it's a bit messy when it comes to retrievals. If you get imagine that not everything that goes on on our earth, whether it's extraterrestrial, it leaves their agendas in open field of what the heck is going on. I'm convinced by what I know both being on mission and also having my encounters.

35:38With them that there's good and bad. Okay. So, the way I look at it is that yes, I had to do some dirty work for the program because I screwed up. I brought my kids on a mission and I shouldn't have. So they kind of forced me into doing constructed labor for them. But yeah, sometimes there's there's people that come to earth that are quite deadly. They don't have good intentions or they're in a survival mode and they want to get away from us. And they're shooting back or they're making it difficult or they want to kill us before we kill them. So all these kinds of things can happen. And that's what I'm referring to is that the reality of this is what I'm not talking about because, like again, I don't think the public wants to know about all that. And I don't want to overshadow the good that's going on as well because I don't want people to, you know, latch into this, this ugly part of the whole program as being the only thing they talk about. You mean, yeah,

36:41it's fascinating. But we need to put it in its place. This is the part that we want to we want to resolve. We don't want to see this anymore. That's why I'm a whistleblower. These are some of the concerns I've got that there's other things going on that I haven't even told Congress because I know they're not ready to hear about all of this. I'm glad Jake Barber is starting to do that. So, hang in a minute. There we go. Sorry, I went out there. I'm just trying to make a phone call. Anyway, so that's kind of what I'm referring to. It's just that there's this dark side to the program is that there's a bit of real need for some mercenary work because all of these endangers are us apparently some of the things that I got involved with. There seem to be some aliens that were taking human hostages and maybe seeking to enslave them as they did in old days like the Anadocchi did, whether even manufacturing their stories of the manufacturing or DNA and you know,

37:48missing with it just so that they could make a slaves. All that stuff might be a firm reality. And these are the things that again we can't even talk about intellectually until we get to a certain point on okay, we're through. We already know that these beings and these craft are definitely another civilization. We need to get beyond that to where we can talk about all the other parts of it that perhaps the government can finally you know, resolve some of the issues that are going on, but they're not going to get there until we get through with some disclosure so that they can get in there, declassify things like Luna is trying to do and Elon Musk is trying to do, we're trying to figure out where all this money is gone. Until we get a good hold on that, it's going to be difficult for people to really dig in because as Jake has alluded to, there are private industries that are involved. That's going to require a lot of

38:54legal things to have to take place if we're going to investigate, you know, fully. And get them to come clean. I'm hoping they come clean up their own accord because it's probably better in their best interest to do so because if they do have this technology, which I know they do, then I know that also it's been very heavily military for the whole thing and for the whole time that they've been working with them. So we need to get beyond all that, and figure out that how do we get and get these private industry people to share their technology for like good human things rather than military weapons. And that would open up a lot of it. So I've always been trying to, when I have a talk with people like yourselves and do an interview, I'm like, this is kind of, I'm trying to get to a win-win situation where they can make more profit by coming clean. And yeah, they're going to have to share the patents with other

39:58private industry. We're kind of doing a little bit of that already, but they don't have to do it on the down low all the time. And they don't have to spend so much money hiding and deceiving. All these things that cost lots of money and getting security for this and security for that, if they could just be a little bit more free about that. So I see there's a win-win there for them. And then the win-win for us is that yeah, we finally get this closure and that finally the government itself says, yes, we have been working with them. You know, we can't tell you everything, or which I think everybody would be fine with and understand, but you know, at least we get the truth that yes, we've been trying to keep this undercover for a while, but no, we're not alone. But I think that would be the win-win for everybody to see both sides winning. So that's where I'm headed. That's where I, that's what I try to talk about. I was trying to find that middle ground, so everybody has a place to land. Yeah, and I think that's beautiful. And I know that there's a whistleblower protection act. I mean, is that directly impacting you and allowing you to come forward? Well, yes, legally, yes. At each level of my, at each level of my, uh, legal walk

41:10through this, you know, the, yeah, the NDA provides for certain protections. Arrow also has certain authority and protections as well. And then filing an official inspector's general complaint also provides that legal protection. And then the final thing I had to do was my pre-publication as to, you know, I want to go public. So here's the things I want to talk about. Do you approve and pretty much the approved everything except the name of one location? Right. So that, that's great that that actually is occurring. You know, we hear about that stuff, but it's, you know, we have firsthand testimony now that it's, it's directly, you're, you're involved with that and not here you are, but in a whistle on this stuff and, and you feel safe doing so. So that's important. Yeah. When you talk about this mercenary work, we've, we've, we've very much are familiar with that just from other people we've interviewed, you know, we're all familiar with the Phil Schneider testimony whenever they were, you know, boring out the tunnel and they came into a

42:15cavern. They had, it was basically an ET base and there was an altercation. There was a gunfight and, you know, he shared that story and unfortunately he didn't survive telling that story. But are, are you referring to like underground mercenary work as far as like clearing out like a tunnel network? ET's that live underground? Or is this something just, you know, during crash retrievals? Yes, the, the binning tunnel systems underneath the ground in some of the places I had to monitor for talking to the occasion security and vulnerabilities. But the places that the dirty work was, it felt like it was, it was above ground or elsewhere. Like it was very cold, a lot of times where I ended up being, but I did not feel like it was underground at all. It was not like that. But it was usually at night time, very dark, you know, that kind of thing. Right. And, right. Well, I just want to say it was very controlled as well. It was like,

43:19something was telepathically telling me and the other people what to do and what to expect next. And then that was how it was operated. So there may have been some sort of an NHI presence there or some way that they were kind of communicating on a conscious level or a telepathic level. Just like, you know, our army guys go out with the radios and their helmets and all that good stuff. But maybe they have some kind of technology where they can talk to you directly into your head. That's what it felt like is that people, it was almost like step by step, they would, you know, tell you, you know, go to the, go to the K of entrance, get your gun ready, um, blah blah, you know, you're going to turn left and all this kind of good stuff that's kind of how it went. Oh wow. So it wasn't actually a direct order from superior. It was something in your head. Yeah, it was very, very silent. The team that I worked on at about four people, maybe sometimes more depending on what was going on. But it was mainly four people that I remember. And that's the way

44:21that we just never talked really. We just knew what to do. It just seemed like all of us had a, you know, something prompting us to do this to do that. The Jared experienced missing time whenever this was happening or. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I would wake up very tired on the evenings when these things would occur. Um, sometimes I'd have scratches. I couldn't, um, couldn't figure out and, uh, and or hurts like, I'd be waking up with my chest and my whole chest, my rib cage for a long time. Um, after I'd been in an altercation, that yeah, it hurt for a good two weeks or more. And I had that kind of stuff happening. Um, so yeah, it was kind of. Very, uh, I don't know how to put it. A very traumatic point in my life. Um, because I didn't want to be doing it. But I knew that I had to do this for the program. Otherwise, I was going to get a bullet in the head and get buried in a desert

45:22somewhere. Wow. So have you heard any scullabud about like the secret space program and the 20 and back type of stuff? Are you familiar with that? Um, yeah, I've heard of people talk about the galactic federation, I guess. Um, I remember galactic being part of a conversation in, um, on the mission. I didn't relate it to a galactic federation or anything else like that or fleet or whatever. Um, I may be mistaken or not remembering it properly, but yeah, the tournical act was mentioned a few times. Um, and again, after I got out of the program, that's one of the people started telling me what their rendition of it was that it's this fleet of space craft that go out and take care of things in space and kind of what I was always telling you about. Right. Kind of doing work out there. So who knows? I don't, I can't verify that fully. I know that the term 20 and back was never mentioned to me. I remember distinctly being

46:24on what they called a terminal team. Uh, and that was what I did. That was it. They had other teams that came out with us, but they they weren't out the ones that had to go in there and do the same thing I had to do. Sometimes they're there to clean up or pick up, you know, debris or whatever else was there. But uh, it was like they, it just don't only used you for one little purpose and then you got back out and they'd extract you and just take you back. So you a lot of times you wouldn't even have full memory of what you did. Right. Yeah. Because I remember actually getting out of the the craft or whatever it was me and helicopter. I don't know. But anyway, I remember getting out of the craft being, you know, in one location and it was just then that I became consciously aware that, okay, I'm going towards that cave entrance and then on the backside when I came out of the cave, everything goes black. You know, I don't know what happened after that. Kind of a thing. Very fuzzy. I remember walking back towards a door that was coming

47:31and there was on a craft of some kind. There was no light really. So it was very hard to tell what kind of craft it was that I was getting back into. But then at that point, it was like somebody shut me down and I couldn't remember. Yeah. I mean, that's unfortunately common among some of the, you know, testimonies out there at this missing time aspect and being used for these covert missions and however, yeah, mine lives, however that works, you know, and it's the reality of it, of the situation is that the technology exists and whether or not this is like NHI intervention, ET intervention or human military just reverse engineer this technology and using it on our own people. I mean, it would probably be a little bit of both. But like as far as like the weapon systems and stuff that you remember using, did anything seem advanced to you? Was this like, did it seem like alien technology? Well, yeah, the rifle definitely. I mean, I've always been around guns because my dad was a green beret and had me learn what guns were very early on in life. So I'm

48:35used to the weight, you know, how to load, reload, mallet good stuff, get your ammo down range. But this rifle that they handed me or that was, I had my, you know, had had, it was definitely not normal, it was very lightweight. It was much longer than like a high powered rifle, you know, it's probably got about another flip or so to it on the barrel length. And when I, when you pull a trigger, I shot it, there was no recoil. But apparently, whatever kinetic energy or projectile came out of it, man, that stuff would leave a tiny hole in the front end. But the back, it would just blow out and destroy whatever it, on the backside, it was just like an explosion. So yeah, it definitely seemed like it was a different kind of a weapon than I'd never seen before. It looked more like a rail gun, a small version of a rail gun that had very highly kinetic projectiles that could shoot out of it.

49:37And that's kind of what it, it seemed to me. So yeah, they weren't, they weren't normal. They looked enough like a gun and a rifle to where you were like, okay, I get what this is, you know, and you don't have to describe to me that this is a trigger and all that good stuff. And it did have a butt that you could put up to your shoulder, but it was mainly to aim nuts because you know, you don't have to worry about the recoil. So yeah, it was pretty much just, you know, like, it was just a very lightweight gun, but it did all this damage, you know, were there other countries involved in any of these missions? Or were you just on teams of strictly US, US, US, I'd say US, yeah, yeah, I didn't work with anybody that I thought was from another nation or whatever. Were you ever on a mission in another country or another continent? Quite possibly. They could have taken me literally anywhere on these things. It's like I said, there's that missing time and you're kind of coming, becoming conscious just as you're getting ready to exit and that kind of a thing. So yeah, it was very difficult to ascertain exactly where these

50:44things happened unless there was some kind of a no kidding indicator or I had a moment where I could, you know, get my bearings and stuff. I'm going to have to get my charger. Okay. That's going to help. So yeah, that's how I describe it. So whenever you were brought in this program, I guess you were being reprimanded and you were, okay, well, since you're not going to obey orders or whatever you did to Pistom off, this is whenever you started experiencing these missing time missions and stuff like that. Did you ever like, did you ever consent to it or this is just something that they said you had to do? No. What happened was when I got read out because they're, you know, I screwed up and what happened that day was like other three analysts that were with me on my teams. They just said, okay,

51:52we're going to Indian Springs. We went to Indian Springs for the debrief. That's where they, that's where they wanted me to go to do the debrief. So I did that and they told me stay in the car. They were, they were very adamant about me staying in the car. I guess they knew the gravity of what I had done. So anyway, they went inside this building and gosh, it must have been like over half an hour or maybe an hour it passed to where they, they finally came back out and I was like, okay, so how did you go? And then one of them says, they wanted to kill you too. I was like, oh, yeah, I bet they did and he's like, no, they literally wanted to kill you, Jason. And I was like, really? That's like that bad and he's like, yeah, that bad. And they didn't want to talk about it anymore. And then about a week later, they took me up range near Tulizha Peak.

52:58And that's when I found out that they literally were introducing me into this program as penance for getting me out of trouble. This was the other option. And I think it was mainly because they didn't know if I was going to survive or not. I could be killed. So I think whoever I pissed off, they thought this was a better option to use me like a mercenary because the new I was, you know, had a background martial arts, my dad's green beret. So it was a pretty tough guy had to grow up with violence in the house, that kind of thing. So they knew I knew how to fight and everything. So I guess they thought this was a be a good idea. And at first I was resistant and eventually just said, you don't understand you, you don't do this. You'll never see your wife and kids again. You understand that, right? And I'm like, it just broke me down and I was like crap.

54:01You know, so I just bowed my head, cried about it for a while, and then I just said, all right, let's just get this done. And that's when it all started. Wow. That's unfortunate, but it's, I mean, it's a great testimony to help people understand what happens. What's going on here? Like this is the magnitude of the situation. And, you know, a lot of times you sign up for a program or you join a military with nothing but the best intentions. And it's not until you're all the way in, you know, years down the line that you might realize that you're involved in, and even a criminal organization sometimes. I mean, it just really isn't as black and white as many people would like to believe. And I understand what you, when you say, like not everyone's ready to hear about this. Right. It's a reality to the program that only people that have been in there know about. But if you think about it, everything I've told you, I'll try to bring to you in a layman's terms and

55:07get you to understand that this actually is, you know, logical the way that they do these things, because they're, you're talking about a very clandestine program. They're messing with highly dangerous risky threats and doing things that even amongst ourselves can end up being very risky to each other in the private companies, because if you get these private companies, both hiring two different teams of mercenaries to go do a retrieval or whatever. Yeah, there can be some real clashes and people get hurt and that's where you get some of these stories. From people like Herrera saying, yeah, they threatened me, you know. And yeah, it's very, very much a reality. Let me put it that way. If you can get past all the Goliathie Wiz we've been lied to all these years, and realize that this might have some real implications that everything I've said, and everything Jake Barber said, hopefully everybody can see that it brings true. There's a logic to it. You can see why we have

56:10to operate this way under these restrictions. And it's mainly because of the secrecy of the program. And what they're doing. So that's another thing that we're going to have to surmount as well when it comes to disclosure is they've been doing this for many years now. And I'm sure there's a lot of people that'll have problems with it in the way that they've conducted themselves. However, I think that the people that are involved in it are very few. And those are the kind of things that we're just going to have to deal with as we get through all the declassification. And hopefully that they finally come out and they say, yeah, this is a program. Yeah, we've been doing some things. And this is how we feel like we wanted to do business because of what we've been through. I'm sure they all can back up how, you know, they went through their decision process. And this is why we still think it's a threat. And all those kinds of reasons and stuff like so, yeah, they're going to they'll have to we'll have to finally have that discussion. We'll put it that

57:11way. We'll have to have that discussion and figure out was it right, wrong and different, whatever. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a great analysis. I mean, I think that's what's happening. Absolutely, there is what's happening. And it's, you know, they're trying to disclose this stuff. They're trying to figure out a way to tell the public about what's been going on without telling them. So they're like walking this tight rope right now. And eventually, it's just going to have to somebody else is going to have to blow whistle on it because they're not going to do it themselves. Yeah, I can't do it myself. And neither well, Jake can be, I guess, you're getting closer to all this other stuff that goes on. And hopefully that opens the door a little bit, puts a crack in the door at least to some of the discussion. And maybe later on, like I said, maybe we can finally get to a point where we can discuss it more openly. And then we can talk about all the details about how, you know, everything went down. And why Jake ended up doing what he was doing, how I ended up doing what I was doing, all that kind of stuff can finally come out. And maybe some more whistle blows

58:15were feel comfortable. And so yeah, they kind of screwed me over to and this is what they made me do. And this needs to stop or we need to think this through. I want to make sure that what I did was right, we're wrong or indifferent. That's what I want to do is get to that point where we can actually have a discussion. Yeah, it's not going to happen today. And even if we get this closure today, we can't talk about this stuff because it's going to be too far fetched for the evening Congress because they're going to want something they can go forward with a team to investigate with. And right now, they're just going to have enough trouble trying to get to the fact that the program exists and what are they doing? Right. I mean, there's a phrase I've heard the saying, I've heard that the truth is so outlandish that it'll debunk itself amongst the skeptics because people just won't they won't register when they hear about some of the stuff if they haven't gotten, they haven't been climatized, you know, so that's why the way I've always viewed this closure is like you know, it'd be great if government were to tell us the truth. But why do we, why do we need the

59:18government to tell us something we already know? So if we can get enough of humanity to already know that this stuff is true, we'll already be like, yeah, of course, you know, somehow having their own contacts or you know, then you don't need the government to tell you what you already know and then the government becomes irrelevant in that respect of like, and then hopefully those types of people into becoming the government and then we can actually have a government that serves its population rather than one that is the advantage of its population and weaponizes things against it, which is what we've had for a long time unfortunately, right? And then these technologies that we've had for 100 plus years, like Stephen Gears, always talking about, now we can actually use it to benefit humanity rather than weaponizing it against humanity and then trying to be like, no, there's a scary threat out there that we need to, you know, use all our resources and money to defend against rather than being like, well, yeah, there are like you said, there are good and badities, civil spectrum, but we can still protect ourselves while using the same technologies to benefit

1:00:25and have everyone aware that this stuff exists and serve the population rather than keeping everyone in the dark weaponizing it against people, all this nonsense that needs to stop, right? Yeah, it's pretty much what I feel as well because I think all we're really asking government to do for disclosures, have you been lying to us and ask and actually tell, yeah, we lied to you finally, you know, but you know, they've been doing, you know, weapons development off of all of this, so it's really on us what we do with it after that. And I think that, I think the people are ready for that kind of revelation and I think that there's also a reassurance and the fact that obviously, you know, we're still a race on this planet, that means that the majority of the NHI are, Dr. Greer describes as being good, however there are some bad things that happen for one reason or another and those are the things that I think maybe even our NHI are cleaning

1:01:27up with us and maybe that's what I touch base with doing some of that kind of dirty work for the program and that's how maybe I was being manipulated throughout the mission that each time I would would deploy on those missions and that's maybe the telepath that was in the NHI that was doing all that because this is the way they prefer maybe me to go in and do the dirty work for them, but they were going to telepathically give me an edge by just kind of like, you know, preparing my mind without all the trimmings of going through all the processes of, you know, like, spreading out and fanning out. It's like, you know, okay, you go left, you go right, you know, and all this other good stuff. I see too, you know, all of you good stuff that you don't have to use all those signolings and other things that you're doing and how you, you know, set up your defense and you're always got your buddies cover that's in front of you and you're doing all that good stuff. Anyway, all that being said, the telepath, telepathically was just very straightforward,

1:02:29just very matter of fact. I think if that was what was going on, that might touch on what we're talking about here is that yeah, there might be some involvement here with the NHI where they are protecting us and they may have been doing that for many, many years beyond even the program being established. They may have been doing this, you know, since ancient days, it seems like there's a big lull in the ancient text where it says that, you know, when price was born, it seems like all the crap that happened before, whether it's the the pantheon of gods from India or Egypt and all these other, you know, gods me a little G, there seems to be an end to that right around that same time when price is supposed to have been born and now there's this low of non-envolvement or at least not overt involvement but up prior to that. Yeah, you've got even biblical uh, figureheads like Abram being visited in his own tent and sitting down and having dinner with

1:03:32these beings. He calls them sons of god, which is different from sons of man. One's a human, the other one's considered an angel of some kind. And so that's what even in the Bible is described. So the reading real food with one of the main figureheads of a biblical character. So you've got that and to me, those are all I witness accounts, you know, people have actually interfaced with these beings because if life is possible, I think our pattern of life here is not that rare. I think that it permeates everything around us. I think we're all from the same pool of ingredients. Let me put it that way. And that, you know, where there's water, there's fish, where there's air, there's birds. On the ground, there's all the four legged and two legged beasts, you know, and all that. It's the same, you know, everywhere you go, there might be a lot of occasions, but in general, we all look pretty much the same. Which actually jires with I witness accounts saying

1:04:37most of this is humanoid, you know, head, torso, arms, feet, sometimes more fingers, sometimes less, sometimes bigger eyes, sometimes, you know, you've got extremes on one end, there's tentacles, or they look like an insect of some kind, like a mantid, so you've got all these different flavors, but they're all generally of a body type that's kind of the same. Yeah, yeah, the five star figure. I mean, yeah, and what you encountered yourself in the desert was a humanoid, exotraster, or a light, light blue skin that you spoke telepathically with. Exactly. And so the telepathy is nothing that you were ever taught either. That was just like, you were just suddenly able to do it in the presence of them. Right. As soon as he started telepathically talking to me, it was like very natural feeling. It didn't get dizzy, it didn't get an headache, it didn't get with a painful. I didn't feel like I was being controlled, but I definitely felt new things in that because we were sharing a mind space,

1:05:40so there's a component there where I could actually feel him and his emotions and he could feel mine. So it's a more, I hate to use the word intimate, but it's kind of, it's fitting, but it's not in a romantic sense, but more like it's a more of a friendship that gets really close. In other words, you're sharing literally yourself, you're inner self, or your soul, or your spirit with that individual, that's what it felt like. Because from his side, I could feel the peace, the love, the care, the respect. And from me, unfortunately, he felt some of the same, but then he'd feel fear when he'd feel like my brain was going left and right, looking at things and thinking what the heck is going on. So I was probably much more of a mess than he ever was. Right. I mean, I have to understandable. I mean, considering the circumstances, that's a typical human reaction. And it was interesting that the other guys on that team seem to have

1:06:43possible missing time as well. I just don't remember that incident. Yeah. Yeah. So there's definitely some timing and manipulation that occurs amongst all these testimony. Yeah. I agree. Some of it though, I would attribute to perhaps somebody injecting me with something to make me kind of go into a state of unconsciousness or just kind of like twilighting you to do your colonoscopy, twilighting you so you don't remember anything, and then you come back and you don't remember really what happened. Same thing here, just don't remember it. Right. Yeah. Well, this has been fascinating. Thank you so much for joining us today. We really got into some deep stuff, which I really appreciate. I'm here in your insights, getting into the other stuff that we don't that you don't usually get the cover. So is there anything else that we didn't touch on that you'd like to share before we wrap this up? Yeah. As you know, I've been through some recribution from coming forward and other whistleblowers

1:07:45the same thing. So I've got a fund I call firsthand fund that we're setting up. It's finally ready to go. And I wish that people would donate to that because what that fund is set up for is to help whistleblowers. I'd like to be the first generation of whistleblower to help the next generation of whistleblowers come forward. So that you know if they lose a job like I did that it's not so difficult to get we've got some money to help float them a little while or help them to maybe deal with some PTSD that might they might be going through or they need legal help or even if they want to go to Congress like I did and you know whether they want to go public or not as up to them we can do it to I'm a download to get them in discreetly. So that's what the fund would be for is to help with all those kind of issues. And then we can expand on it later if we do get the funding. So I would just like to tell everybody it's on my ex account I have it pinned right there if you want to give to that account or that first hand fund

1:08:46it would really help out and not just me but there's a lot of other folks that need that that help because I've been through it and I know there's a lot of people suffering in need to help. Yeah what's your ex-handle just for those who don't know? It's just my ex Jason T. Sands all one word you know so it's just my first name middle middle initials T in my last name sands. Okay. It is that the only place people can find you primarily? No I'm a tick-tock I've got that I do some Instagram but I don't do a lot of that. I just did my first tick-tock live show with some people in England over this past weekend so that was kind of fun and I think that'll be another outlet for me. So my main two ones they were heart X and probably going to become tick-tock. So those are the two best places to get a hold of me. Okay great and one last question I wanted to ask you earlier and I forgot. Did reptilians ever come into the picture? Did you ever hear about reptilians when you were in the program? Yeah I didn't know much about them every time it happened it was just like when I

1:09:51spoke about it that Joe Rogan just like everybody wanted to hush up and they're like no don't want to go there. I can't talk about it here kind of a thing. So for some reason the reptilian presence is hush hush even more so than I think a lot of other other stuff. So I'm not sure why. I don't know whether it's because it's good bad or not it's just something the way I heard it. But other people have had encounters with reptilians and I would caveat the fact that there may be only like one type of reptilian that is actually bad and has a bloodlust that people have described in past. I'm not sure about that but I've also heard from other folk experiences and other people that have said that there's not just one type of reptilian. There seems to be a type of gray that has a scaly skin that gets mistaken as a reptilian but it's a gray and that there's two other types of reptilian races that are very benevolent and kind.

1:10:52And maybe even a fambious race that also visits our planet which also kind of resembles some reptilian features. So I would say to the audience and your listeners that yeah that's kind of what I am going with right now is I'm keeping an open mind but apparently there is some type of reptilian that is very harsh and slightly the program. Yeah the drako is what the information that's prevalent out there is that it's the drako reptilian that have been in control our planet for hundreds of not thousands of years and they're like the bad regressive ones. Alex Collier talks about them all the time a lot of other people talk about them but they've said there are benevolent ones as well. We've had at least two people on our show that have personally had contact with a benevolent race of reptilians, Ken Rola and another individual and they describe it as very enlightened benevolent beings. So yeah there and there are people that believe no all reptilians are

1:11:54bad like that doesn't make any sense. That's like saying all humans on earth are evil you know like there's a whole spectrum of range of like consciousness and type people. Yeah I mean think about how we think about how we as humans did that to each other you know whether it was blacks or whites we all seem to have gone through a phase where yeah we've been quite cruel even for religious reasons not just slave trade kind of stuff but you know yeah there was literally every race that has been probably been through a slavery era or at least servitude of some kind to another you know bunch of people. So yeah that's that's the possibility that yeah every race kind of has its problems I would think because as soon as you get into millions and billions in any planet yeah you're gonna have factions you're gonna have one people that want certain things this way and not that way and that's what you're seeing here on earth and I think that's kind of a microcosm for life anywhere else with intelligent life is they're probably gonna have their own

1:12:57history their own forms of government their own societal culture their own way of doing things maybe even a greater propensity towards you know maybe what we think are more socialist ideals well as other people that have more freedom in other areas of their government so yeah I could I think it's if you can if you can imagine it I think it exists out there we'll put it that way absolutely that's what we should be thinking I agree yeah I could agree more yeah yeah this is fascinating I could go on and on now I'm like thinking of other questions yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and we can I can come back to the show too later on and you guys can think about it some more yeah that would be great yeah yeah yeah so um just for all the listeners out there all his we'll put his links below in the description but make sure you go check out his socials and give them follow and you know support if you can because we really appreciate what he's doing and thank you guys opportunity and we can't do this without you and we hope to see you at our conference in May that

1:14:00ticket is the information for those tickets are below journey to choose dot online and yeah thanks again for joining us Jason this was a lot of fun and yeah I don't see why we wouldn't set up a part two in the future and you know get into some other stuff because I'm you know this conversation is going to be ever evolving as disclosure just keeps happening so there'll be nothing you know there be no shortage of things to talk about so yeah like great yeah students like every month there's some new topics right yeah exactly breaking news every day so okay well we're going to go ahead and wrap this up thank you so much can't do this like without you guys like I said you know your support means everything and you can follow us on all of our social media accounts too we really appreciate that so yeah and we'll see you at the conference yeah that's right around the corner and until next time have a great evening good night