EP 341 | Tom Montalk | "DRONES" - Is This The SKY EVENT? | Time Travel - ETs & UFO Technology

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1:01Hey guys, welcome back to the show. Just a few reminders before we get started, tickets are available for our conference in May 12th, through the 15th in Graffin, Illinois, 2025 at the Peer Market Lodge and Conference Center. For those who are new to the channel who are just coming over here from X, we host a conference every year in Graffin, Illinois. This year will be the last year in Graffin, but the whole premise of the conference is to take all of our favorite people that we interview and bring them and give them an opportunity to present on stage, to an audience and it sells out every year and we're really looking forward to it. This is our fourth annual year and you can find all that information and tickets at journeytotruth.online. So head over there. The link is below in the description. If you're interested, all the details are there. We'd love to see you come out and have fun with us. It's not just like a strict seminar or conference. It's more of a vacation, getaway, slash conference. We have bonfires every night, sky watches,

2:01everybody just gets to hang out. There's lots of free time. So yeah, take advantage of, sorry, I'm just looking at the titles on our names. They changed the font and I'm like, oh, that's different. It must be something that Zoom's doing. Oh, yeah, they did. That's weird. Just threw me off for a second. I was like, wait, but anyway, yeah. So anyway, that link is below in the description and today we are joined by Tom Montauk. He is somebody I discovered on Twitter spaces. I think Fringe was hosting and you hopped in and you were given, you were like, describing the difference in the categories of exotrustreals, like extraterrestrials, inner terrestrials, inner dimensionals, all of them and how we can decipher the difference. And it's the first time I've ever actually heard anyone break down that. To that level. Yeah, to that level of what the difference is and because I don't think actually people understand the difference most of the time. So I would like to cover that at some point in the interview

3:01and as far as I understand you're an electrical engineer and a physicist on some level. So I don't know much about your background. I have seen some of your interviews, but I'll turn it over to you and give you a chance to introduce yourself to our audience and then we'll go from there. Okay, yeah. So I was born in Germany and I'm natively, what was German, but I'm in America now. So my mom, she's from Singapore, my dad's from Germany and he's an electrical engineer too. So when I went to college, I did physics and electrical engineering, a double major, but I only ended up doing four years because when I was working with all the graduate students, I saw the political environment that academia wouldn't tell if I went into it. I didn't want to jump through all those hoops so I decided to leave college and do the rest of my physics and electrical engineering work privately and also through contract work and consulting and so on. So I've done that for quite a while. In addition to graphic design, web design, and that's why my website and other people that I've made websites for, I mean,

4:01they like the kind of work I do because I have an aesthetic eye in addition to my science. So, and I do music on the sides as well. So I've got the scientific side and I've got the music right brain side. And that sort of helps me deal with the paranormal issues, conspiracy, research and so on because it helps me tap both into my intuition as well as my more like critical thinking side of it. I should mention that when I was in Germany growing up, I did have a number of paranormal experiences, classic gray alien abductions, a mom as well. She would wake up with giant bruises on her lap with puncture marks in them. Now, she didn't know about aliens at the time and growing up in Singapore, which is a Asian culture which is more superstitious, they believe in ghosts and demons and spirits and so on. So, she thought it was my dead great grandmother, you know, attacking her in the middle of the night for whatever reason, enough so that she actually fled back to Singapore for six months trying to get away from these bruises that were happening almost on a nightly basis.

5:03And eventually they did kind of calm down, but I had my share of abduction experiences and it was a very terrifying time period. And I was always talking to my grandma about the the stone men or the gray men, you know, in German that they call it a Steinimension or the Grauimension, that's what I call them. And I was deathly afraid of owls and anything that was white and bulbous, which is, you know, like a post-traumatic stress disorder after effect of having encounters with gray aliens. So, when your memory gets suppressed after these abductions, there is still a subconscious fear PTSD remnant that remains and that's sort of what I was expressing as a kid, but in the fact that I had all these weird things and I was also very scientific and curious child, it kind of forced me to eventually start researching this topic in way more depth. So when I was 13 years old, I got a library card and I started reading all the UFO books, all the metaphysics books at my local library in Iowa at the time, so this is after we had moved to America. And eventually I met a penpal who was a retired nuclear Navy engineer.

6:04He used to be a military back in the 60s, but he was also a conspiracy researcher and he became a penpal and he would send me his boxes and boxes of books on all these topics. So this is when I was 15 years old. So I got like a major boost in my research, even in my teens. And so then by the time I went to college, that's when the internet really came into full force. So I was able to do tons of research there and I was subscribing to all these physics journals, the leading edge research journal on truefacts.org. I read all the matrix books and I started networking with more and more people. And then so over the years, the past 10, 20, 20 years, yeah, I've been reacted with about 10 to 30,000 people online getting their data, their insights. And just trying to put it all together. And so that kind of brings me to today where I have like three books out. I've got a massive website with tons of free articles on YouTube channel. And it's just a distillation of everything that I've put together over these years. Yeah, yeah, there's so much there.

7:05And it's funny when you said the term penpal, man, that's something I haven't heard in a long time. 10 pal. Yeah, I wonder if I still have a penpal. But yeah, so, okay, I want to cover, I want to get into some of what you just described there as far as your journey. But I also want to stay true to the title this episode and just briefly touch on the drones and the situation that we're seeing right now. And from your 40,000 foot view, what is your opinion on what we're actually, what's actually taking place? Yeah, so there's a lot of things that are taking place at the bottom of the pyramid of priorities, I guess you could say, but what's at the top of the pyramid? At the top of the pyramid, it's not so much about what the drones themselves are doing right now. It is about why this is happening now. Like, what is this, a prelude to? And the only thing that I could think of, well, there's two possibilities. One is the disclosure thing, which keeps on wrapping up more and more with those congressional inquiries, right? Those testimonies, that's on the acceleration curve. And at the same time, we also have an increase in the trend of approaching World War III, an actual nuclear confrontation with Russia

8:08and eventually China and North Korea. And well, the next on the agenda is Iran, like US versus Iran. So that's coming up. And usually in times past, historically with UFO flaps, a lot of times they did correlate with when there was a very heightened risk of a nuclear war outbreak, Cuban muscle crisis and various phases throughout the Cold War. And not to mention the Manhattan Project, that was in the 40s. And that's also when during the time period when Kenneth Arnold had his flying saucer siding and that's when the UFO phenomenon really caught the attention of the public and it became almost a mass hysteria at the point. So once again, nowadays we are at the point where geopolitical tensions are extremely high. And we are like this close. I don't wanna say this close, but this close to nuclear World War III or something like it. I mean, maybe it's not like nuclear bombs going off. Maybe it's EMP attacks or cyber attacks on American infrastructure and NATO and of the Western European countries. And if that happens, there's a government commission that said if an EMP did hit America nationwide,

9:1290% of the population would be dead within one year. And that's pretty serious. I mean, think about it. If you're an end abductee, then if you're gonna be part of that, wouldn't your abductors be worried about what you would be going through if you're considered their property or their subjects or something like that? So I do think that ETs have an interest, a vested interest in monitoring human events, especially when they start affecting things society-wide, like societal collapse, you know, mass violence, war, things like that. That's usually when they get really interested and they watch the situation closely. So I think that's part of it, but I'm not going to say that all these drones are necessarily alien, okay? Because I do think that there are mixed phenomena that are simultaneously happening, okay? So one of those, if you remember back in, I don't wanna see it in my notes when, when was it? It was right, it was back in, right around November 20th, in the UK, okay? In the UK, there were various spaces that were being used by the American Air Force,

10:14and they had major drone problems to where they had to scramble a counter drone team just to try to deal with that, okay? So this is back in November 20th. Then California, not too long ago, there was a Chinese national who was arrested for flying his drones over Van den Berg Air Force Base, taking pictures, so that's some sort of foreign espionage element there. Then in Germany, early December, Ramstein Base, they had drone issues. Also a liquid natural gas facility in Germany, was also being drones railed, Ryan Mattal, it's like a German industrial manufacturer of military equipment. They were getting drone issues and also BASF, which is a chemical industrial powerhouse of German origin that also was getting drone issues. So at least early on, a lot of these drone incidences seemed to be involving some sort of surveillance by a foreign adversary. It could have been alien, it could have been alien, but it could also have been advanced Russian stuff, or it could have even been like American black ops doing security testing on their own facilities

11:16to see how the lower, more public layers of the military were responded to something like that, like a test drill for some future event where Russia could do some sort of a surveillance issue. So that's like a more like military foreign adversary surveillance aspect of it. That's one aspect. Another aspect that you have, too, is... Bubble Wallace here from 2311 Racing. You know what's slower than a pace car? Waiting at the car wash. That's when I fire up Chamba Casino. It turns those slow minutes into fast fun. With new games every week, you'll never get bored. Next time you're stuck in the slow lane, speed up with Chamba. Play now at chambacasino.com. Let's chamba. Sponsored by Chamba Casino, no purchase necessary. VGW GroupFord, we're prohibited by law, 21 plus terms and conditions apply. My name's Mackenzie, and I started to go find me for the adoptive mother of a nonverbal autistic child that mother had lost her job

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13:16with, you know, language? Hey, us too. So join us on Lexicon Valley to true over the history, culture, and many mysteries of English plus some ice cracks. Find us on one of those apps where people listen to podcasts. You also have the potential for secret, military drones being used, like secret government programs happening around. And I think that probably constitutes the bulk of what's actually going on. Because some of the more recent reports in, for example, the Ocean County Sheriff's Department, they had one of their officers see that there were like 50 drones coming in off the ocean, not out of the water, but just off the ocean from the ocean direction, like East. And they had a Coast Guard vessel go out there to investigate. And the Coast Guard vessel saw 13 drones with eight-foot wingspanes also in the area. So there's something off the coast that is launching those particular drones. And I think that's more likely to be a secret military operation or a paramilitary, like, like,

14:17volunteer, you know, some sort of a non-governmental organization that works with the government for some secret projects. Now, what that could actually be for? I don't know. I don't know if it's testing psychological operations or if it is an actual security issue, like counterterrorism. You know, there's just different theories that have been out there, like, the idea that a lot of these drones are, they're nuclear radiation detectors, whether detecting gamma rays, neutrons, or tridium in the atmosphere. And I don't want to get too much into the details of that, but there's different ranges that these different kinds of detectors need to be within to be able to detect something. And a lot of these drones are actually beyond that range. They're too far up to account for some of that. So I think that theory could be, but it might be something else going on. They might have black ops technology that is more sensitive to radiation than what we know about, so therefore they could be farther away. That's another possibility. So I do think there's some sort of secret government thing going on. And I think Trump just today said that he knows

15:17that the government knows what they are and where they're coming from, where they're taken off, and where they're landing. And that, to me, sounds more like a non-public military security operation than an actual alien thing. Yeah. Yeah, so good. Well, I did see that what Trump said. And I have heard that, you know, this whole thing where they're trying to sniff out the nukes because the deep state was planning a false flag attack to stop from dirty bombs, which is different than normal nukes. But yeah, so, okay, they're trying to sniff out the dirty bombs and attempt to like fork this transition of power before the inauguration and all this stuff. Now, what's interesting in Trump's statement, if you listen at the end, he was, I forgot even what specific area he was mentioning, but he was like, I won't be staying there this weekend. And he goes, I'm gonna change, I've changed my plans. I won't be staying there this weekend. Almost like it comes to whoever, like maybe he was tipped off that there was another attempt that was gonna occur in that specific area.

16:18And he like, he made it very clear. I thought it was interesting. Like he made it clear that he changed his plans and won't be staying there. So there could be, like this could be very much political as well. I mean, like there's probably, it's probably layered. And you know, we just had Maureen Richman on our last ex-spaces who is an astrologer. And astrologically through her, you know, her monitoring the patterns of UFO flaps over time has to arrive with astrological alignments. Right now, we're in an expansion point where we would absolutely expect a significant event like this and it's happening. So, I mean, there's basically, you lay it out beautifully, all of the above is possible. But what are your thoughts on this, you know, this, you know, thwarting the transition of power and trying to start? Well, I mean, right now, it's December 16th. The inauguration is, you know, we have a month, we basically have a month to go. So, if they're gonna try anything, it would have to be during this next month. So, it would make sense that security is super heightened

17:20right now. Now, I mean, dirty bombs, some sort of a new thing. I mean, it's like the movie Some of All Fears where they were trying to do a false flag nuclear attack just so they could create war with Russia. I mean, that's the situation we basically find ourselves in nowadays. So, the movie was kind of prescient about that. So, I do think that's very possible. And, but unfortunately, a lot of these videos that are out of these drones, my personal opinion, just being familiar with telescopes and binoculars and way optics work and airplanes and so on, I do think that like 95% of these videos are probably mistaken. You know, because I mean, because each one, I mean, right now if we have the time, I could go through each one and point at like why I think this is not necessarily an ET craft necessarily. It could be, some of these are airplanes. I remember some that are Starlink satellites. There was an ABC News video, that fuzzy orb thing, that was kind of undulating. Well, I mean, based on the sky, based on the fact that it's not flickering, it wasn't a star or a twinkle, and it was daylight out. So, therefore, if it was something, it was probably Venus out of focus. And if it's out of focus,

18:20and you get these atmospheric refraction effects that cause it to undulate. So, you know, there's different physical explanations for a lot of these. However, I do think that there's like a 1%, maybe 5% trace amongst all these that is actual like true alien activity. And that is something that, and the way that those behave is very similar to the TicTac incident from 2004 with the Nimitz encounter off the coast of San Diego, where you had an anomalous object that was huge, it wasn't like the size of a car. I mean, that one was the size of a bus. Okay, it was huge. And it was like a white TicTac shape. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing, another checkered flag for the books. Time to celebrate with Jamba. Jump in at JambaCasino.com. Let's Jamba. No purchase necessary, BTW Group, voidware prohibited by law, CTC, 21 plus, sponsored by JambaCasino. Hi, this is Alex Cantrowitz. I'm the host of Big Technology podcast, a longtime reporter and an on-air contributor to CNBC. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world and our lives.

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20:24Check out Holmarke's podcasts on all your podcast providers and on YouTube. That's Holmarke's podcast wherever you listen to podcasts. And it moved at impossible velocities, impossible accelerations. And that is not something that you see with these current drones being reported. I mean, there are some anomalies, like for example, when the police and New Jersey sent up the drone, he said that they said that they didn't have heat signatures and that they were easily evading those drones. Now, that could be black ops technology because obviously if you're gonna have some advanced technology to surveil the enemy, you can't have heat signatures coming off of it. So they probably have some advanced shielding technology. But typically UFOs don't, or like alien UFOs, they don't have wings. There are claims that they can do mimicry. And that's true, you know, they can mimic airplanes. I know people who have seen anomalous things that tried to look like airplanes, but they weren't airplanes and they would disappear in a bright blue sky, right? But the thing is, if something is going to be mimicking something in order to claim that it is mimicking,

21:27there has to be something off about it that you can point to you and say, you know what, you tried to be an airplane but you didn't move in the right way. Like you went backwards or you know, you would rotate it in a way instantly that an airplane can't. And most of these things that I've seen in the video don't exhibit any anomalous behavior that would indicate it being something other than and then may drone a rocket, a plane or something like that. Okay, so I do think that there's an alien component to it. It's just that a lot of these videos don't show it. So I'm skeptical about a lot of it but I'm not dismissing the entire phenomenon because as you said, it's a multi-layered thing. There's a foreign surveillance aspect. There's probably a secret government program. There's a little trace of the alien stuff and then the rest of it I think is just people being mistaken about a lot of it. That's my personal opinion. Yeah, absolutely. And I agree, I agree. I mean, yes. Completely agree as well, multi-layered. There's, and the thing is too, some of the videos that we're watching are from like three years ago. People are just sharing, I was clicking on one and I'm like, oh, this is wild and then I saw the date. And then so I started paying attention to the dates and the source of these videos.

22:28And you know, one of them was somebody posted a video from a movie set in like New York or something. If some movie they were filming where it looked like the street was destroyed. You know, so a lot of this is, I don't know if it's intentional disinformation campaigns. People just trying to get clicks and likes whatever because X is monetized now. So everyone, they don't care what they put out as long as they're getting the trending day action. So, you know, there's a lot going on that. Well, real quick, I just saw some with my own eyes last night for about at least 20 minutes, maybe in 30 minutes. We were alerted by a friend of ours that saw him in the sky. So we're in the Boston area, we're in like the North suburbs of Boston. And he was like, go outside, there's drone. We went outside, first we saw one, then we saw two, then we saw the third one, then we ended up seeing over 20 of these things. And they were not airplanes, they were not anything normal. And they were hovering like at a slow, you know, steady pace, but they looked like,

23:28they looked like a TR3B, like a triangle shape. That's what it looked like to me. And, but they all had lights. And then one light was like flashing on all of them. But it wasn't like the normal plane flashing lights. It was completely different. And they were trying to triangular shapes, hovering drones. And there was over, there had been at least 20, maybe 25. Yeah, it's interesting. So I have some video, we all got our own videos of it. So I've seen them with my own eyes now. Yeah, that's pretty interesting. Because, you know, some of those secret government vehicles, they are, they're like semi-fixed wing because they can collapse their wings and hover or they can expand their wings and fly like a fixed wing drone for greater range. And the thing is, they could turn off their lights if they wanted to, but FAA regulations demand that you have to have the lights on. And if you don't have the lights on, then you have to notify the FAA so that they can clear the airspace. Because I mean, they don't want to risk any collisions, especially with some of the eight-foot wingspan. Right. And then if you notify the FAA, and they put out that thing, then that gives it a way even more

24:29that there's something funny going on. So I think that's probably why if there are some secret military thing that are leaving the lights on. So, hey, it's within regulations. They don't have to explain themselves. And yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it makes sense. Well, I'd like to move on, you know, because we could just beat this day horse all day, you know. It's, we, everyone's been all day on what we think is going on. Exactly. So I think going on that they don't want us, they're not telling us that the government is not telling us. And there's, I'm sure there's layers, you know, it's all need to know, right? So somebody at the top of the spearmen knows what's going on, but the lower levels of the government might not even know at all. So they can't tell us in the military same thing, right? That's a great point. Yeah. And I think it's wise to just, you know, consider multiple sources. And, you know, don't just marry yourself to one idea. I see a lot of people that have already made up their mind, you know, matter of fact, they're what it is. I think it's, you know, healthier to just take a, you know, stand back and observe, you know. So we put time travel in the, in the title,

25:30because you did your, your interview with Ashton Forbes recently and time travel came up and you were mentioning the time travelers potentially manipulating our history and this going all the way back to ancient times and just the, just the possibility that time travel is that prevalent in, in plays a bigger role than we think. And if you, I mean, the information in my opinion is out there, it's ready to be found, not everyone has found that information or that information hasn't found them about the existence of time travel. And I would like to get your opinion on what you think, you know, what this temporal war looks like. Because that's what it is. Yeah. I do think that there's something to it for sure. But then again, it's difficult to distinguish between beings that have very, very good remote viewing and pre-cognition abilities to see the future and therefore to be able to steer the future. That's very similar to someone actually coming from the future knowing the past and trying to change it. Because like one is looking from the past

26:30towards the future with like perfect vision and the other one's looking from the future to the past with perfect hindsight. So how do you tell the difference? And honestly, I don't think we are necessarily able to always tell the difference because from some of the UFO abduction research that I've looked into, especially people who've had personal contacts, like contact ease. They're alien handlers, they have the ability to see things weeks, if not years, into the future. It depends on the probability of it. So the more set and stone something is, the more in advance it can be seen, the more clear, like the more clearly it's in focus. So if something's really like faint and up in the air, then maybe you can only see it three days out. But a major like collective event, you know, some sort of a master's asser or something, they can see that years in advance. And perhaps that would explain why UFO activity has picked up so much since the 1940s. Maybe it's not just our own technological advancement. But maybe it's also what's coming up, let's say, even 100 years later, which would be 2040s. So imagine there's something coming up within the next 20, 30 years that has been known about

27:33for almost a century now. And these beings having future vision or coming from the future, they know about it. And so they decide to come back here in order to kind of set the stage for influencing that chaos and to influence what comes out of it, what comes out of it politically, maybe even what comes out of it genetically, maybe some of these abductees that are being used to breed hybrids, maybe they're trying to reengineer the human gene pool to insert their own genetics into it for various reasons. I mean, we can get into that too, the speculation on that. But the thing is if we do have time travelers here, if we do have time travelers here, the important thing to know is that the future isn't singular. So there isn't just one future. There are actually multiple, probable futures. So if we have time travel, we probably have time travelers coming here from different probable futures. And if they're all coming back towards their common past, then it ends up being like a game of musical chairs where there's only one future that we ourselves will ultimately end up in. And they're trying to decide which one that is.

28:33So there would actually be a time war going on between different probable futures if that were to be the case, psych. So that's one point. The other point to recognize is that within physics, okay, especially general and relativity in general, there's the idea of what are called closed time-like curves. And it's just a fancy term for time loops. Seeing like in time travel movies, where you try to go back to change the past, but you inadvertently end up creating the very past that you came from. So you end up creating like a self-fulfilling prophecy, like a time loop. I mean, that's like a trope, that's like a trope that's played out in all these time travel movies and shows. So that's a closed time like curve where you try to go into the past to change it, but you end up creating the very past that you came from. So it's just one loop. It's like one loop that's self-reinforcing like an or a burst. It's like a self-reinforcing time loop. But you see, that's not the only kind of time travel possible because you can also have what I would call instead of closed time-like curves. You can have open space-like curves. And what that means is you can have multiple probable futures

29:36that aren't set in stone coming back and interacting with multiple probable pasts that all sort of clustered together and then diverge again into these different futures. And so then you end up with a real cluster, a cluster of a time war going on between probable pasts, probable futures. And the thing about it is, so this is kind of technical, but I have to explain it. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. Victory Lane? Yeah, it's even better with Chamba by my side. Race to chambacasino.com. Let's Chamba. No purchase necessary. BTW Group, voidware prohibited by law. CTNCs, 21 plus, sponsored by Chamba Casino. Hi, this is Alex Cantrowitz. I'm the host of Big Technology podcast, a long time reporter and an on-air contributor to CNBC. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world and our lives. So each week on Big Technology, I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it. Asking where this is all going, they come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon,

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31:38there's this factor called quantum phase, quantum phase. And what quantum phase is, it's kind of like the dial of a radio that tunes you into different stations. And each station is a particular timeline. So right now, you and me and your audience were all locked into the same quantum phase of being here within this space-time universe and this timeline, and that's why we're able to, I can speak, my voice turns electrical signals, you hear it, you respond, right? So it's like a two-way lock between you and me. We're all in the same reality right now, essentially, okay? But the thing is, an alien right now that is monitoring this conversation, it might not actually be locked into this reality to the extent that we are. Its quantum phase might be just a little bit off, just a little bit to the side where it's fuzzy, okay? So we are fuzzy to it, it's fuzzy to us. And for that reason, it's invisible, we can't see it. But it might be standing right here behind me, like looking over my shoulder right now, and I can't sense it unless I were psychic or unless I'm like a cat or something that has abilities and cats and animals and kids.

32:40You know, they can see these invisible things. But the reason why I mention this is because these different multiple probable futures, they all have different quantum phase. And so therefore, when they come back here to try to interact with us, they're not fully 100% locked into the reality that we are in. And so they have to operate by certain quantum principles, like for example, if I want to interact with you, but I only have a little bit of quantum phase lock. Maybe I can only interact with you physically for five minutes at a time before we break our connection. Or maybe if I'm around you, I can only be 5% physical to you. So I'd be invisible, but I can still influence your emotions telepathically, I can still watch what you do. I can still like arrange little improbabilities for something in any path. And so what I'm trying to say is, instead of me being able to 100% physically interact with you, maybe I can only 5% interact with you. And that sort of ambiguity leads to a lot of weirdness that we do see within the alien abduction UFO phenomenon

33:40where they seem very evasive, very sneaky, like always pussy-footing around. Well, it's not just for operational security. I think it's also because they are operating from outside of our linear timeline. And they're trying to interact with us in a way that is not that they're blocked by certain quantum laws. So I think that's why they have to operate within plausible deniability. I think that's why they can abduct a person, but only if they erase their memories afterwards, because there's a, that the plausible deniability, the thing about not knowing whether something is or isn't, that actually is explained by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, where, like for example, within the double slit experiment in quantum physics, if you're not observing the experiment, you get the quantum effects, right? But if you observe the experiment, then you don't get those quantum effects. You just get the regular reality that we know, like classical non-quant physics. So these are quantum beings. If they are operating by quantum laws, then they have to stay within that quantum state in order to do a lot of the things that they do. And so therefore, they would have to operate within our blind spots.

34:41Our blind spot of, we're not really sure if they exist or not. We're not sure if I really had an abduction or not. Okay, I've got the bruises on me, but it could've been something else. See, there's always this plausible deniability no matter what it is. And the degree of plausible deniability required is proportional to how little that phase lock is. So if we don't have quantum phase lock at all, then you can barely interact with someone. But if it's 100%, then I can do whatever I want to. I could punch you in the shoulder or whatever, and you would feel it because we're in the same reality. So this is not something that you normally hear about within uphology, this idea of aliens being quantum beings. But a lot of the data that's involved there indicates that yes, they do have mastery over space time to some degree, like the insider, their ships is bigger than the outside because they can compress space. They have that ability. They seem to be able to kind of go outside time. They can remote view the future or maybe their time to average travelers from the future. So that, you know, it's early when you mentioned those different levels of alien types that I just different. Right, ossifications, this gets into one of those

35:42and we can talk about that if you want. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I do want to make a comment before that. So are you familiar with the Sans of Time series by Sean David Morton? Yeah, you know, it kind of breaks down the origins of time travel within the shallow government. And how we've already, like, perfected this technology as humans, you know, thanks to things like the Nazi Bell and the Philadelphia experiment. And, you know, they call it dimensional shift technology. And they, you know, they even described the traditional UFO like the Bob Lazar sports model being essentially a time machine because these things aren't using advanced propulsion as our physics would understand it. They're essentially warping and manipulating time and dimensionally shifting and traveling and another dimension and breaking all the laws of physics and time as we understand it. And that's what, that's one of the things that they learn the hard way because these guys would be come back with temporal disorientation and are temporarily disoriented and they would have like long-term detrimental health effects that would effectively shorten their lifespan.

36:43So they, it's been, you know, it was a struggle early on. It wasn't just a matter of like reverse engineering this advanced propulsion, you know, zero point energy. We're talking about something that potentially is even beyond what we can understand, you know, and it's been described that, you know, all physics is based on an assumed truth to begin with. So, you know, with that in mind, we have to, we have to understand it anything as possible and potentially like the term you use like our physics, our education has been intentionally handicapped to keep us hitting these dead ends, right? So, considering that the UFOs themselves are time machines. And like we're dealing with nothing but time travel, essentially when we're talking about extraterrestrial vehicles and even our own government, whenever you break those laws of physics and dimensionally shift and appear in one location, you know, from here to the moon in an instant, what is happening? Like you are manipulating time. So, there is a lot to consider, I think, whenever we're talking about this stuff

37:44and how these corporations within the private sector have used and abused this technology and the way it's described in those books is when they were experimenting with it, they were creating dimensional tears in our space time. And the early UFO flaps, it wasn't UFOs from space. They were slipping in through other dimensions. They would call them dimensional invaders or whatever they would call them. And, you know, they were trying to create a frequency in that to patch up those holes. This is all according to the Sansa Time material, which I do believe is based in a lot of truth. So, I mean, if maybe you wanted a comment on that before we get into these extraterrestrials. Yeah, yeah, right. So, even just looking at mainstream physics and the path that it took, I'm looking back on it right now in the mind. So, between, I would say between 1890 and 1920, during that 30 year time span, that is when anti-gravity, invisibility and time travel would have become possible. Just looking at it, you know, because I started to talk about this

38:46on Aston Forbes show. So, I don't have to go into all of it here, but the theory of electromagnetism, just to give an example, James Maxwell, when he developed that theory in the 1860s. Well, that theory, it already included a doorway to anti-gravity, to manipulating space time, but he decided not to go down that road. He got really close to it and he said, well, but the ether, as far as we know, it's not elastic. So, he can't really stretch it and rip, what he didn't say, like, rip open holes in it, but that's what he was implying. And then, so we're not sure, we're just not gonna go there. So, he never went there, but the thing is, other people did. And they had since that time, another 20 years, 30 years until the 1890s, before they really started applying it. And once you had like Tesla with his AC generators, at that point, you had enough power to produce the electricity and currents that you need in order to rip open these portals in space time. And so, you can use conventional technology in unconventional ways, using these expanded hidden physics, these aspects of physics that are hidden from the mainstream,

39:47in order to manipulate space, time, and so on. So, the thing is, if humans can do it, then of course, aliens can do it, whatever they actually are. And you know, that's another reason why, for people to say that aliens are nothing, but this carnit demons pretending to be aliens. I mean, there is that element, but to say that it's all that, it doesn't really fit, because the thing is we ourselves, using our unconventional technologies, we can do invisibility, we can go through solid walls, like the Philadelphia experiment of the 1940s. Okay, I think it was like 1943 or something. The Philadelphia experiment where they modified a US naval ship in order to, they had coils around it, and they rotated the magnetic field in a certain way, in order to warp space and time. And supposedly the ship teleported. Yeah. A great distance, and then came back. And when it came back, some of the sailors were embedded in the walls of the ship. It's almost like they had phased through solid batter, and they were stuck in there. And then the other ones that weren't, and they came out, some of them went crazy.

40:48Some of them burst into flames, because what there's reasons for that is because they weren't synchronized with our time rate and time has to do with energy. So you get these sudden influxes of energy from space time, it's kind of complicated. But the thing is, it all kind of fits. And so that was in the 1940s, so you can imagine, with it being like almost a hundred years later, what kind of technology they have now. I mean, they've perfected it. Maybe not as much as aliens have, because here's the thing. If you rip a portal in space time, and you go out into hyperspace, then how do you navigate that hyperspace? You can't just like steer, as you would a car or an airplane, there's no air to like, you know, movie around. You have to steer with consciousness. And so the more consciously sophisticated you are, the more you can navigate within hyperspace. And aliens have a natural superior psychic ability than humans do, and they have faster brains, because they genetically modify themselves to be, you know, a way smarter than we are. So they would have still superiority within the domain of hyperspace than we would do with our technology.

41:50So what I'm trying to say is, even though there's advanced technology, there is still a conscious component to it that needs to also be sophisticated in order to make the maximum use of it. And that is what gives aliens still superior power over even our own black ops. So. Right. And to add to your point about the Philadelphia experiment, you know, they, you know, whenever they're essentially traversing time, it's, they call it molecular dissociation. Like your entire physical body is dissociating and then re-emerging, reforming whenever it makes a jump. And whenever it reforms and phases back into wherever reality or timeline you're jumping to, that's whenever you, it blended in with this ship and the furniture and the walls and stuff. And they say that happened due to a lack of a psychic navigator because they didn't know where they were going. They call it a psychic navigator. And I happen to be recently, I stayed with this, this man in Sedona. He's 85 years old. And he's a quantum physicist who worked 40 years

42:50in a shadow government reverse engineering UFO technology. And he was brought in long time ago after the Philadelphia experiment to perfect this, what he called, what he told me, dimensional shift technology. He said it was the size of a room for lack of a better, you know, example in the USS Eldridge. And by the time he left the program, he said it was a size of a cell phone or a credit card. He said it was a size of credit card. And there's a dimensional shift technology that the human can carry on their person and literally shift teleports, shift out of this reality and go to the moon, wherever, wherever there was no limits. He said, he goes, the only reason that we would, it would take us three months to get to Mars is because that our belief system would limit us to three months. He said, if you understand what we're truly capable of, you can be there in any location, in any coordinate, in an instant. And this is coming from a quantum physicist who claims to have. And then he, like, he had an answer for every question,

43:51like he was definitely involved in these programs. So he won't talk him, he won't talk on camera, he won't publicly come forward, because he still has access to a lot of information and access to the underground network, which he told me all about. But so we're talking about that. If he's not lying, if he's being truthful, then the, I mean, we have no idea what we're actually capable of. And that's just his knowledge, right? That's his perspective from what he's seen and been involved with. So it's just something to consider. Like we can do a lot more than we even understand. Looking for excitement, Jamba Casino is here. Play any time, play anywhere. Play on the train, play at the store, play at home, play with your board. Play today for your chance to win and get daily bonuses when you log in. So what are you waiting for, don't delay? Jamba Casino is free to play. Experience social gameplay like never before. Go to Jamba Casino right now to play hundreds of games, including online slots, bingo, slingo, and more.

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45:55and plenty more. So if you want to be smart with your wallet, your career choices, and meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties, listen to Big Technology Podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, and I think the reason why that is is because reality fundamentally is consciousness. It is actually a consciousness field that we as our own consciousnesses are existing within. I mean, we're like little eddies in an ocean. We're made of water, but we're our own separate structures, but we're still made of water, right? So we're like these structures within a greater field of consciousness. And so it is the programming of consciousness that field of consciousness that creates physics as we know it. And our own beliefs do play a big part of it. But there's also, I think, a kind of universal subconscious that holds the majority of physics in place. And if you can overcome that as well, if you can break that machine, then you can break physics that it is enforcing. So it's a co-creative process between our own consciousness

46:55and that. Now, the thing is, even in our own lives right now, you can experiment with synchronicities. You can experiment with manifesting, using your own conscious intention to create synchronicity opportunities and attract things to yourself and life. And if you do that enough, you convince yourself that, okay, some part of my consciousness does have some degree of control over reality. Now, what does that say? Well, that right there just proves most of the physics skeptics that are out there that say, oh, no, the universe is its own cold machine. And consciousness is just a product of that cold machine. We're just an epiphenomenon of it. Well, no, you can just prove that easily just by doing some manifesting experiments. So I think reality is fundamentally conscious. And either you play by the rules of that universal subconscious, which the ancients would call the Demi-RG. Either you play by its rules and you use physics principles to engineer machines that can break space time and allow for time travel and everything like that. Or you override those rules by transcending it

47:55and using just your consciousness to kind of go beyond physics itself. And that's how you can teleport. And so there are these higher beings, which I'll talk about momentarily that they have achieved that level of conscious control. And so they don't need UFOs to travel. They don't need machines to open portals and do all this kind of stuff. Because those things, those are all happening within the narrative or the fiction. The narrative of the fiction that we exist within, which is that this is a solid reality. And we are just, it's just like a lot of the jungle, doggy dog kind of thing where we are just subject to the whims of a cold deterministic machine. Right. Yeah, absolutely. And that, so that guy, that quantum physicist, he, what he told me he did was tasked with doing was training him and his team. They were all quantum physicists. They were brought in because of their IQs and their test scores and stuff. And he explains, he explained to me how he was even brought into these shadow programs.

48:55I forgot what he called them, but they were tasked with training with the aboriginals in Africa, Australia, and Easter Island. And he said he had to spend nine months with each group until he could learn how to physically teleport his body until all of them could physically teleport their body. Like the aboriginals already know how to do. This is something they innately know how to do. And he explained to me what it was like living amongst these tribes. And he goes, they can phase in and out just like a Sasquatch, like these people. They already have, they're already, they've never lost that ability, right? We've lost that ability, but they had to train with them. And the reason they wanted these guys to be able to teleport their physical bodies because they were recovering these UFOs that they couldn't get inside of. There was no doors. So they literally wanted these guys to teleport inside the craft. And they were successful, according to what he told me. But it was important. He brought up the Philadelphia experiment as an example because he said, if you don't, he goes the first step to teleporting is remote viewing.

49:56And remote viewing in itself is time travel. And he said, you have to become such a good remote viewer to see where you're going. Because if you don't know where you're going, if you can't psychically navigate your jump, then you could end up inside of a rock or inside of a solid object when you phase in. Like a little Philadelphia. Just like the Philadelphia experiment. So first and foremost, before you can even attempt to teleport, you have to perfect and master remote viewing. And it's just something you don't really think about. But you know, he was saying, like, matter of fact, there are people on this planet that can do that, that have the ability, including the aboriginals. Yeah, I totally believe it. Because as you mentioned, Sasquatch, the way that a lot of big foot encounters go, these things seem to phase in and out of our reality. So that's why I mean, it's not like they're just just these apes living in the forest. No, I mean, they kind of come here and then they can phase out as well. And there are historical reports of regular, I mean, not regular humans, but it's humans like us

50:57developing the ability to by-locate, to teleport, to your levitate, right? So, hey, humans have done it. So it's not out of the possibility for big foot to do it or these aborigines, I mean, they're humans too. But I mean, I'm saying there's just other things that can do the same thing. They've probably taken it to a much higher art than we have accidentally throughout history. It is Ryan C. Crest here. There was a recent social media trend which consisted of flying on a plane with no music, no movies, no entertainment. But a better trend would be going to chumbacaceno.com. It's like having a mini social casino in your pocket. Chumbacaceno has over 100 online casino style games, all absolutely free. It's the most fun you can have online and on a plane. So grab your free welcome bonus now at chumbacaceno.com. Sponsored by Chumbacaceno. You don't purchase necessary VGW group void for prohibited by law 21 plus terms and conditions apply. Hi, this is Alex Cantrowitz. I'm the host of Big Technology podcast, a longtime reporter and an on air contributor to CMBC. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world

51:59and our lives. So each week on Big Technology, I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it. Asking where this is all going, they come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon, and plenty more. So if you want to be smart with your wallet, your career choices, and meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties, listen to Big Technology podcast or ever you get your podcasts. This is Mike Fowlow of Lexicon Valley. And I'm Bob Garfield. Are you one of those people who sometimes uses words? Do you communicate or acquire information with, you know, language? Hey, us too. So join us on Lexicon Valley to true over the history culture and many mysteries of English, plus some life cracks. Find us on one of those apps where people listen to podcasts. Yeah. So OK, let's talk about, before we get into the tiers of these excerpts for Astros and Aaron, did you have any questions before we move on?

53:00No, no, but like you said, it's already in our documented ancient history. Like many, many yogis and masters and stuff have defied physics and teleported and levitated and pushed their hand into a rock and make a hand print and, you know, footprint and stuff like that. So clearly, there's tons of proof that you can defy the laws of physics by your own consciousness. And then we see the Sasquatch doing it. And, you know, like you said, they're not just these primitive apes. They're actually advanced beings. I've been on the planet for a really long time. They're kind of in hiding as protection, you know, until we get to a point where they're safely able to come out amongst us, which we're moving into. And amongst other ET races, I do believe it will be happening. And I believe we're kind of in this phase of getting prepared for that right now, along with the war going on as well, you know. Right, right. Yeah, well said. So I want to help our audience understand how this technology that we're discussing is used for my lab abductions.

54:01I know this is something you briefly touched on and, you know, other interviews. But whenever they allegedly they have the ability to abduct our consciousness during a REM state of sleep, put it into a clone body and perform a mission in another reality in our timeline, even in this timeline. And then put back and then you wake up in the morning and you don't know any better unless you get bleed through which does occur. And that's how we even learned about it. So maybe you can explain your understanding of the possibility of that and how that's actually being accomplished. Yeah, so from the my lab abduction encounter that I've seen and also what I personally experienced, because I'm not just an alien abductee, I've also had my lab stuff as well. There are basically two methods, well, okay. So there are like three methods that they could use to bring you to their underground base. One method is the actual just plain old physical abduction and that requires like a van or a truck or helicopter or something to literally physically take you, you know, like arm guards and everything, arm guards taking you out. But that's like a really primitive method. That's almost barely never used

55:01unless you just have to be so close to a base that they don't even bother with the whole teleportation and technology. So the physical method is one, the other method is literally opening up a portal in your bedroom, like when your wall is literally turns into a portal and there's the base on the other side of it and they take you through. That's another one. And then the third one is a more direct form of teleportation. That's more similar to like Star Trek teleportation where there's like energy field that goes through you and you, I wouldn't say you demolecularized but you maybe get shifted out of the space time and then shifted over and then kind of shifted back in. So that's sort of a thing. But I mean, they're all kind of similar. And that's easy to do because if you think about it, as you said, it's almost like time travel, it's almost like remote viewing because what you're doing with remote viewing when you're remote viewing to that extent is you're capturing the vibrational essence of the remote point, like it's key signature. It's coordinates within consciousness space. And then those coordinates then are what allow you to teleport to that area.

56:02So you can kind of use that in reverse to bring a remote object to you as well. If you lock into its signature and then you kind of shift it out and then move it towards you. So I think that's all they're doing. I think they're locking onto you and then bringing you to that new consciousness coordinate system, which is their underground base. Yeah, I mean, that was, it was very well explained. So you said this has happened to you. Like your my lab experience is, would you like to share any of those stories or is that something you're not comfortable with? Well, the thing is I've never done hypnotic regression. So my memory is my conscious memory is only go up to a certain point. And so actually 90% of what I have is the after effects and the pre-effects of it. Because the thing is, okay, so both the my lab, the military abductions and the alien abductions, both of them mess with your memory and they can suppress your memory. And the older that you get, especially if you're not a child anymore, the more hardened or crystallized, your mind becomes like it's less plastic. And so it's easier to crack and cleave into

57:04and go into another compartment that you can't access from your regular conscious state. So the thing is, I remember my childhood alien abductions up to a point, but the older I got, the harder it was to remember any of it, but I knew that they were still happening because of the after effects like bruises and laser cuts, weird scratches and stuff, you know, all over the body. And PTSD symptoms and our cat will be frazzled and you know, something happened, you know, that before. So some of these my lab things, I remember being like an underground base that looked almost like an abandoned subway station. But I could tell it wasn't like a public subway station, it's more like an underground base like station where you get loaded onto a mag lift train or something and you get sent off through a tunnel. I remember being one of those and being loved around in a group by a military guy with a weird flashlight thing that would flash in a certain pattern that would kind of shift your state of consciousness. It's like a superior MK Ultra programming thing. And later, have fun enough. I found that exact same flashlight through a Google search.

58:04Really? Yeah, it was like a, like a, like a, looked like a spotlight with a curly cord on it that went to a battery pack on the hip that you wear on the hip, you know? So I found the exact same thing. And, but I had no idea that those things even existed prior to me finding it. So I looked it up only because of that so, you know, so-called dream that I had. So I think there could have been something, something to that. But I'm not like a, I don't, I'm not like one of those really intense my labs that remembers a lot of the experiences and goes on these shows and gets to talk about it. So I only have little glipses here and there. And so that's why I don't really talk about it too much because I don't have as much as what some of these other more involved my lab people do. Right, well, I appreciate that. I mean, because it's honest. And I even think like I've done regressions before. And I don't even share the stuff that has come through my regressions because it's still hard for me to wrap my head around. Like, I don't know, like, if it's not a solid, conscious memory that I'm confident that I know happened, then I'll share that probably. But when it comes to the regression, like, okay, even though that came out of my own mouth, it's still, I don't technically remember it.

59:06It came through the session, but it's not a memory if that makes sense. So I still, I'm reserved when I talk about it. And I appreciate that, you know, because it's healthy and we don't want to muddy the waters with, you know, things that aren't happening. So, okay, I guess this would be a good time to segue into the different categories of extraterrestrials. And I mean, I don't even, you probably know more of them than I do. So maybe you can just, you know, start from the bottom and build, you know, build your way up and help our audience understand. And I understand how you would classify these and how they all fit in with each other. So back in the 40s and 50s, when the UFO thing really broke into mass consciousness, people thought that they were spacemen, that there were people just like us that came from other planets and just more advanced spacecrafts. And that was called the extra terrestrial hypothesis, extra terrestrial meaning beyond Earth. So that was the prevailing assumption for many decades at the time. However, as time went on, people like Jacques Vallet

1:00:09and John Keel and others who really started digging into this, they found that a lot of these UFO experiences, these contacts were supposed aliens, they included a lot of what they called high strangeness. In other words, they didn't fit the typical mold of what you would expect of a spaceman and physical vehicle. There was more, almost like paranormal occult aspects to it, almost like consciousness was more part of the equation. And I think what they were picking up on is, I think they were picking up on the quantum nature of some of these beings, that they weren't 100% physical, I guess, but they were sort of beyond, and they were able to shift between space times and they didn't have the perfect quantum lock on us, so things were getting kind of weird. So I think they're picking up on that, but the extraterrestrial thing, so extraterrestrials, that would be the lowest category of this hierarchy that I'm talking about. So extraterrestrials just means 100% physical, just like us. I mean, if we went 500 years in the future, and we looked at humans and they had space travel and maybe a little bit of more psychic abilities,

1:01:11I mean, that's basically what these ET's would be in the old extraterrestrial hypothesis assumption. And they would have more advanced technology, they'd be more intelligent, they might, as I mentioned, they might have some psychic powers, but they would still be physical, and they would still use conventional technology that we could understand with our current physics that we just took it a little bit further, okay? So that's what ET's are. But the thing is, a lot of aliens are not, they don't fit within that mold. And why? Well, it's because they can phase through walls, they have that quantum property that somehow depends on our own free will and plausible deniability factor, the whole quantum observer effect in Eisenberg and certain principal. They seem to be a little bit beyond linear time, maybe coming from different probable futures or from alternate realities. And so once we start out talking about those classes of beings, instead of just being extra terrestrial, I call these things ambi terrestrial, ambi as amphibious, like in between two different realms. And the reason why I say that is because they seem to have the ability to adjust their degree of physicality

1:02:12as we would measure it. So phasing into our reality, phasing out of our reality. But in either place, they're still like physical. It's just they're not physical to us anymore because now they're on like a different radio station, okay? Right, so it's not extra terrestrial anymore, it's weird quantum thing. And that's what I call ambi terrestrial. And I think the majority of aliens would fit within that realm. Because the thing is, once you develop your conscious powers and your technology, at some point, you're going to override the regular laws of physics. And you're going to become native to what is beyond that. You're going to become native to hyperspace or to some other realm or something like that. You're not going to be limited to just one space time, one linear timeline as we are. And as regular ET's would be, okay? So that's ambi terrestrial. Hey, it's Cole Swindell. After I give everything I've got to land a perfect vocal, I usually take five before jumping into the next track. And I've learned exactly how to recharge in that time. Some folks grab coffee, I hit a quick, good looks pin. Next thing you know, the break is just as fun as land down the track. Better break makes for a better take.

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1:04:17and many mysteries of English, plus some ice cracks. Find us on one of those apps where people listen to podcasts. Now, if you go even further than that, then you wouldn't even need technology anymore because you could just use your conscious powers to do everything. And that's why I call ultra-srestrials. Now, that's a term that has been used, but it hasn't really been used with an agreed upon definition, you know, because some people use these terms interchangeably. Like, oh, interdimensional means ultra-srestrial and means whatever, but I kind of differentiate between these. So ultra-srestrial to me, it means having conscious mastery over matter, energy, space, and time to where you don't need technology anymore, and you just use your own consciousness to do things. To travel, you can materialize ships if you want to, but you don't really need to. You can, depending on how powerful you are as an ultra-srestrial, you could materialize for yourself a physical human body and walk amongst us, you know, humans and society, unbeknownst to anyone around them, you know.

1:05:18So, like, historically, like, supposed encounters with, let's say, angels, okay? So people that believe they've had encounters with the actual true, bona fide angels, those angels might show up in the guise of a homeless person or a child or someone unassuming, okay? And, but then the thing is, the person looks back all of a sudden that person is gone. So, these people can appear and disappear. And during the contact, they might say something that ends up being very instrumental to that person's spiritual path. So there's like a enlightened push to the presence. And so that's like a positive ultra-srestrial, okay? That's something that natively exists as an energy being, but that can materialize a physical body here when it needs to in order to enact positive divine type agenda, okay? So that's like a positive ultra-srestrial. But the thing is, there are also negative ultra-srestrials and they are extremely dark beings that have the ability to also project themselves here physically, but they're more limited for different reasons.

1:06:19And those are, I guess, what the Nostrics would call the arcons. So, arcons, you know, there's different ways of defining it. I know Jay Whedner, he defines them as, oh, they're just alien hybrids. Well, I don't think so. I think it goes way beyond that. I think arcons are actually these dark, demonic overlords that are so powerful that they don't even spend time as physical beings anymore. They stay in this non-physical, natively astral kind of state. And from what I can tell, based on the abduction accounts, there is a hierarchy within the alien, a lot of these alien factions, they have a hierarchy where at the very, very, very bottom, they might have hybrids. And the hybrids, I guess, to us, they'd be like extraterrestrial because they're basically human. They don't really, they're not really quantum as much as we are. Or as much as some of these other aliens are. So we got those. And then above that, you've got these ambitrestrial aliens who can kind of phase in and out between realities. And then above that, you have these ultra-terrestrial that they don't even have bodies, really. They're like these energy forms that exist in another dimension that these other lower aliens kind of treat

1:07:21as almost like gods or these superiors, you know. So right at the cusp, you know, that's where you would find, let's say, the praying mantis type aliens. And then above them is where you would start getting into more of these ultra-terrestrial energy forms, archons, things like that. And now the interesting thing about that is that if you look into demonology, like the demon phenomenon, we're just real. I mean, Dar like actual dark beings that we could call demons. Doesn't mean that just necessarily a Christian phenomenon because you find demonic type beings also within Islam and native cultures and ancient Babylonian stuff. So Sumerian, like demons were a thing long time ago, right? So dark, these dark humanoid energy forms, they've always existed, but the thing is they also have a hierarchy. And the higher you go up in that hierarchy, the more powerful and physically effective those beings become. And so at the very top of the demonic hierarchy, you have these demonic overlords that are exactly the same as the top of the alien hierarchy, the negative alien hierarchy. So the negative alien hierarchy, you start off as physical aliens at the bottom,

1:08:22you get increasing the less physical as you go up to the top. And then the demonic hierarchy, you start off as non-physical at the bottom, like these astral parasites. And then you go up above that, and eventually you get to these powerful demons that can affect physicality itself. So you get this merger at the top of these two separate hierarchies, these negative hierarchies. And so that's why I think these archons are sort of the top of both the negative alien and the demonic hierarchy. And I think that's where a lot of confusion comes from within the Christian circles, where they say aliens are demons. Not necessarily, but there is a relationship between the alien phenomenon and the demonic phenomenon, but it's not like the alien that you get abducted by is exactly the same thing as a demon that might harass you as you're trying to sleep. They're not the same thing. But at the very top, their command structure, I think that there is a definite merger at the top of that pyramid. So extraterrestrials of physical, ambient terrestrials are like variable physical and ultra terrestrials are these non-physical, super powerful, almost godlike energy beings that have mastery over space and time. Right. So, okay.

1:09:23So I've heard that was amazing, by the way. That was great. Yeah. That was incredible. And it resonates and it all makes sense. Like they're at the top there would be some Archon manipulator master, puppet master, whatever. You know, I was kind of pulling the strings. And you know, what about, okay, before I go on to the next thing I was going to ask you, what about the angelic side of this? The service, there's a service to self and the service to others is the law of one term. What you described sounded like the service to self negative kind of hierarchy, but there's also a positive one as well. Yeah. So what would you, like how would you describe that? And, you know, we hear about the, you know, these lions and these Pleiadians and all these groups that are, you know, essentially benevolent, I mean, everything does duality within every race, right? But, you know, the benevolent side of all this where we have the angels and these groups that are here helping us, would they fit into the same hierarchy, that same structure just of the white? Essentially, you can have two parallel structures. You can have the service to self, the negative,

1:10:23or the service to others, the positive. And also, so at the top of the positive one, at the very, very, very tippy top, of course, that's you would have the infinite divine creator. I mean, just logically speaking, that's where the trend points to, so you have the infinite creator above that. And then beneath that, you would have, I guess you could call them, instead of our cons, it'd be arch angels. So arch angels and then angels. And then beneath that, you get these other beings that are, you put them on the level of ambitrestrials, essentially. So there are beings that, so there's two kinds of powerful positive beings. There are ones that come from the top that are emanated by the divine, and they've never had physical incarnations ever. And that's what you would typically find as angels, or arch angels. There are emanations of the divine that embody different divine archetypes. They're almost like, I don't want to say AI, because they do have consciousness, so they're not like artificial consciousnesses. But there are creations, direct creations from the divine, that serve a divine function. And then you have other ones that have worked their way up from the bottom.

1:11:25So they could have been humanoid at one point. And then they, you know, transcendent physicality. And then they, you know, became increasingly spiritually masterful of their own consciousness and in harmony, in alignment with the divine. And so then they become these divine servants, almost. You could almost call them like divine masters in a way. I don't want to use the term ascended masters, because that term has really become corrupted within the new age field. Right, but they are something like that. They are like so-called ascended masters. And then beneath them, you know, you have like a, it's not a command structure, so much as different grades of sophistication, you know, the same way. It's not like a 12th grader, commands of 4th grader. It's not how it works. It's just there's different levels of development. And so even within the human sphere, okay? Like you and me, because we are interested in these topics, we have an orientation that is a little more transcendent versus the average person who's only interested in sports and money and sex and drugs or whatever, okay?

1:12:25So we're just like a little bit above that. But the thing is, even within human sphere, there are so many higher levels than even where we are at. And those higher levels, we would call those like saints or positive secret societies, spiritual masters, things like that, people that are still human, but they're starting to approach that threshold of overcoming what it means to be a limited human. You know, and some of these aborigines who can teleport supposedly, they're on that level within their culture, but you find the same thing even within Western culture amongst certain rose accrucians or alchemists, or in the east amongst certain Hindu yogis, or you know, like Taoist yoga or Buddhist masters. The bad masters. Yeah, yeah, so there's a spectrum even within humanity and so it stands to reason that beyond that spectrum, there is an even higher spectrum that probably continues within the discarnate afterlife astral state, where there are beings that they're not ultra-trustreels yet, they're just non-physical, but they continue their spiritual education mastery within these afterlife spiritual planes.

1:13:28And from there on, it keeps going higher and higher. So that's like the more positive hierarchy. Now, the question is, are there such things as positive aliens as well? Is there a parity between the negative alien spectrum and the positive spectrum? And I would say sort of, but not necessarily, it's not like there are like positive grays and positive reptilians and positive mantids. I don't think so, but there are, I think, there are physical beings that have advanced technology that are psychic, that are super intelligent, that are what we would consider benevolent or positive. And the thing is, someone could say, well, they're aliens and they're so smart that there's no way that we can comprehend them. So therefore, there's no way we can say whether they're benevolent or not because we can't even comprehend where they're coming from. And that might be true if we're dealing with some like interdimensional octopus from another galaxy, maybe at that point, we can't even comprehend it. But the thing is, these beings, a lot of them are humanoid. They look humanoid. They can speak, I mean, they're telepathic, but they can also speak, they've got two eyes, they can breathe our air, they can operate in our environment.

1:14:31So they're not that different. I mean, they're very different, but they're not that different. So we are still able to approximate an understanding of them. And I think the more positive divine ones, they are understandable as such. Now, the problem is, the problem is that the negative alien agenda, well, agendas, because there's multiple ones. A lot of that involves deception. In other words, pretending to be good guys, offering Trojan horses, offering false choices. You know, like the hybrid breeding program. There's so many abductees out there that are told, hey, you know, we're trying to integrate humans with gray DNA so that we can take some of your emotions and put them back into our gene pool so we can experience emotions again. That's a below any story. I don't believe that for a second. Because grays are, well, they're kind of blameless because they're just task workers. They're not themselves necessarily displaying much autonomy, but they're working for something else. And that's something else has malevolent intentions. And a lot of those intentions involve deception. So the reason why I bring this up is because a lot of these grays,

1:15:33they might pretend to be positive aliens, either as themselves, or to project the guys of being a play-edian or a lyrin or whatever. And so because of that, we have within the new age and channel and community a kind of false, disinformative fantasy built up of what positive aliens are like. So there's a lot of Disney cartoon style caricatures of positive beings. And the reason why you can tell that that is, that way is because the so-called positive play-edians or whatever the way that they're portrayed, it's very sappy. It's very, it's just dripping in sugar. It's not true divine clarity. It doesn't like lift up your consciousness. It actually pacifies you. It's like you get a sugar crash when the amount of sweetness that these things are loaded up with in the narratives. And so the thing is you can look at all that and you can say, okay, well, that's just clearly below me because these people are being deceived by lying demons or grays or whatever. And therefore, there's no such things as positive aliens.

1:16:34Well, that's a logical fallacy because you could still have positive beings, but they just might not be the ones that are being lauded within the new age channeling field, which is a caricature of the real thing. So in all my research, okay, I have detected a signature or footprint of genuine positive alien beings, but they're not in the majority and they are incredibly subtle about their actions. Maybe because of some law of non-interference or something, some prime directive, right? Back to where I was gonna say. Prime directive. Yeah, yeah, so the prime directive is, you know, in Star Trek, well, I said the thing is, so Star Trek itself, Gene Roddenberry, he was associated with a channeling community and with uphology and he knew abductees and contactees. He got a lot of information from that including probably government insiders. And he incorporated some of those ideas into Star Trek. So these Star Trek guys, you know, and the Starfleet uniforms and that's modeled after the Nordic aliens. Right, right. Okay. So there's a little bit of truth to that. But as I mentioned, the whole new age channeling field

1:17:36has sort of run away with that and created this fantasy from it. It's a perfect way to inject false light into the community and counter the ascension and you know, it's like a savior complex program where people give their power away to something outside themselves and that's exploited in the unhealed humans, right? Because we're all, you know, going through this healing process. So, and I do believe there are genuine channelers that do get, you know, actual benevolent beings coming through them. But I think it's, like you said, more subtle. It's more subtle because of non-interference or you know, they just, they don't have a reason to come in here and manipulate things and start a pot because they understand that we're all on this evolutionary path that's gonna, you know, we're learning lessons and, you know, we're evolving based on our own lessons and like they're not gonna interfere with that because they see the beauty and they see the light in that. So I do believe it's more subtle and Aaron, you look like you wanna say something. Yeah, one of the best ways you can really tell

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1:19:39our vision is to build a mentally healthy nation for all because we want you to live your best life and be your best you all year round. Please visit mentallyhealthynation.org to learn more. Is the message more empowering to you? To say like you have the power. You're like waking that up within you or is it more of a savior message of like putting themselves on this pedestal and you're these lowly humans and you need to like worship us and we're coming here to save you and that will save your program. And if it's more like that, not good, not benevolent. That's a simple way to kind of see. And to your point that they're not much different than us is very accurate because for them to take the form of the five star figure, right? The human body, head, arms, legs, mouth, everything, everything we can do means that they operate on us on the same or very similar belief system as we do.

1:20:43So we're already close because of our belief system. If we weren't in the same belief system, then we would be that interdimensional octopus that you talked about. So we're already operating within the same laws of the universe based on how we look and how we present ourselves and how we appear to each other. And that's why we can even perceive each other. So yeah, we are a lot more similar than we might think. And I think that's a great point that you brought up. Yeah, yeah, it's like we were similar in that respect in the sense that it is comprehensible if we really, really try. Well, at least comprehensible through metaphors and so on. But of course, the top of their hierarchy are these ultra-terrestrial energy beings. And maybe those are the ones that are very difficult for us to comprehend because they're not even humanoid, okay? But they have had to translate their agenda down through different levels that started approaching us. So these aliens, these hybrids that are like the five star pattern, right? Well, that's what they are. Maybe they were created to interface with us, to manipulate us, and that's why they have that form.

1:21:44Or maybe they looked that way simply because they are from other worlds, even other planets where the human DNA genome thing has been seated on other worlds. And maybe they've had their own separate history for a million years or whatever, okay? There's all these different possibilities. But the thing is some of it's comprehensible and some of it isn't, but even if it isn't, in order for it to even interact with us, it has to be translated through a filter that is understandable to us. So there is an element to the alien thing that we can't understand, and therefore we should try. And we can't just say, oh no, it's all a nebulous alien phenomenon, we can't comprehend any of it. So that's not even dry. That's not a good approach. Yeah, I agree, absolutely. I mean, this is such a fascinating conversation to really, I mean, expand in the way that you have and throughout your research. I mean, this is, I mean, I don't even know what your books, like the books you've written, do they cover this type of subject matter or whether they're books? Yeah, so if you're interested in the alien issue,

1:22:44including what I mentioned, extraterrestrials, ambient terrestrials, ultra-terrestrials, the positive versus negative types, how to tell a difference, how to discern between them. And it also gets into a use that Erin about, is it empowering or not? You know, that's like one of those key metrics. So what is empowerment really, right? Empowerment is increasing your knowledge, your awareness, your free will, your self-determination, you know, your religion, all those things. And so if you have a being that is interested in making you more clear, more knowledgeable, more able to discern and deception, then typically that tends to be a more positive type of being, right? Because what you normally find with the ones that are pretending to be positive, but they're actually negative, is that, man, they'll tell you the history of the universe. They'll tell you that you yourself, you know, used to be an Atlantean priest or priestess, and they'll play to your ego, and they'll try to weave you into their false narrative in order to position you beneath them so that they can start controlling you. That's one of the key things they do. And they use ego hooks, they use the air of authority,

1:23:47you know, like, oh, we are from this, you know, serian star council, and we've chosen you as our ambassador. That's sort of a thing. Whereas the more positive ones, they will, they'll tend to be more anonymous. They'll try to put themselves out, and you know, I don't worship us, you know, don't rely on us, where we're trying to give you information, but we'll try to, and then they'll tend to be more so, so, so, so, Cratic about their teaching methods, trying to get you to think, and they'll point you to different information sources. So, so, for example, if you have a potential non-human source that leads you towards, let's say, Carlaternor and Eve Lergan, and William Bramley, and all these really good books that make you really think. Well, then that source probably isn't negative, because why would a negative source want to lead you towards sources that are counter, you know, disinfo narrative? So, and that sort of thing happens. There are these invisible pressures that are pushing people, whether they know it or not, towards finding the right sources, towards becoming more educated,

1:24:48towards speaking on these topics, to try to differentiate between, you know, truth and lies. And so there is, that's what I'm talking about, with that invisible positive signature or fingerprint. That's why I think that's why I think that something like that exists. Yeah, and that's interesting. You said the pressure that's kind of guiding you away or towards stuff. And I found that within my own research, you know, like, they'll be, they'll be influencers, channelers, books, whatever that people just love and they're raving about. And I've never even come into my awareness. And people are like, have you never heard that? And then I'll look into it. And, and I start getting like a sick feeling into my stomach. I'm like, oh, this is like, this is the trick strategy. Like, and, but, but it's like thousands of people have been hooked. And you're like, whoa, like, and I'm like, now I understand why this hasn't been like brought to my awareness. I've been actually being protected from this information. And I believe like some of, you know, if you're operating from the heart and doing everything and integrity and just have the best intentions, like you're going to be divinely protected. And you're, you're going to be, if you keep a clean up vessel,

1:25:49there's less chance for manipulation, right? And obviously, there's always the distractions and there's going to be the attempts. But that's how we learn. So if you can just be, you know, maintain a clear channel and, you know, a healthy lifestyle, I think you're going to be guided in the right direction. And you can kind of steer clear from those traps. Because they are traps. They're consciousness traps, actually. And, you know, people think that they're striking gold and they've found this like galactic emissary who has all the secrets to the universe and they're sharing, you know. And, but what it, it's not empowering, actually. And, and like, I truly believe in some times, most of the time, it might be the dark, you know, the devil never shows up as a devil, right? The false light is real and it's part of the story right now because this is a war, a spiritual war, a temporal war, a physical war, you know, 3D, every on all layers right now. Want them? Want them? Exactly. So, I mean, we're talking about, you know, things change in the fog of war. And there's nothing, there's no blanks that these groups won't go to to save face

1:26:50and save their agenda. And their timelines are collapsing. I mean, this is part of the reality of the situation. So, there's desperate measures in place right now. And I think that all things need to be considered. Yeah, yeah. And so, that's one reason why, because you asked about my books earlier. So, one of those books, which I was going to lead into is it's called Discerning Alien Disinformation, appropriately enough, because that's exactly what that book does. And you could find that book on my website for free as an article series or, you know, you can pick it up for cheap on Amazon. So, Discerning Alien Disinformation, it's got one chapter in there, which literally shows you examples of the alien disinfo that is out there. And I counter each point. So, I show what it says. I counter it to point out like how wrong it is. And I do that for an entire chapter. And then I go through the different alien types, the disinformation methods. I really, really break it down. And then the final chapter, chapter six, that's where I go into the nuances of distinguishing between negatives pretending to be positive. And potentially authentic positive ones.

1:27:52How can you tell the difference between them? So, offer the book as food for thought, you know, not as, I'm not trying to like beat it over your head, trying to program you with it. I'm trying to give it as food for thought. So, yeah, check out that book and it'll make you think. It'll really make you think about what's out there. And so, once you read that book, and then you go on the internet and you look at these channeling sources or what abductees or contactees, like Ryan Blitzer or saying, you can look at that. And you can say, oh, yeah, I recognize that trick. I know that pattern and so on, based on this book. So, it's a useful book. So, check that one out. I have that one. I have Fringe Knowledge for Beginners, which is a short, it's a quick read. It's about, it's an introduction to all the, I mean, you guys are probably beyond that now, but anyone who's new to the field of awakening, you'll get a kick out of it because it covers the negative, the positive, spiritual, the physical, you know, it covers all of that. It's like a nice, all-in-one kind of thing. And then my third book, which came out a couple of years ago, it's called Nosis, Alchemy, Grail, Arc in the Demiurge. And it is about the influence of alien technology

1:28:55within human history, including ancient times. So, I get into the Holy Grail, the Ark of the Covenant, Alchemy, Ancient History, the Pyramids, all that stuff. And I, in a show, how these things are actually the result of advanced technologies that are not human and how, therefore, human history is actually a bit of a chessboard between different alien and ultra-terrestrial agendas. So, it's a pretty fascinating one, too. Yeah, that one, actually, I would actually really like to read that one because, you know, the Ark, the Holy Grail, I mean, there's so many theories surrounding all of it, but, you know, being a technological device, you know, the Holy Grail can, I've heard, it might be an actual chalice, it could be just representing the Holy Blood that they drink and that, you know, to produce longevity and, you know, the extended life spans because, or even, you know, get into adrenal chrome. But, the Ark of the Covenant, that's something that we've heard over and over be described as a technology. So, what is your conclusion, as far as what

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1:30:56under typical chemical rules, because you're operating by these quantum metaphysical subtle energies that alter the laws of physics. And that's how you end up producing the philosopher's stone. And so, the philosopher's stone, it is a physical substance, and it's an actual real thing, it's not just a metaphor. I mean, you can interpret Alchemy metaphorically, like Young did for psychological spiritual processes, but there is an actual laboratory science to it, okay? And you can produce the philosopher's stone, and it does lead to psychic powers, life extension, and other incredible things. But what it is is, it's a very concentrated form of etheric energy that is imbued into a physical substance, and it is so strong that if you imbibe it, if you take it, it jacks up your own etheric energy field, it's almost like a match lighting a forest on fire. So you're the forest, the philosopher's stone is an etheric fire, and you bi-part of it and it lights you up ethirically, and that's how you get life extension and psychic powers and everything. So, the reason why I mention that is because that same science can be taken to a much higher degree

1:31:57within alien technology, or maybe even ancient human technology back when we were another civilization that was super advanced, okay? But with that technology, you can create physical things that are imbued with an incredibly strong etheric energy field that is so strong that it almost develops like an artificial intelligence, it becomes like a thought form or what the cultists would call an egregore, okay? It's basically, it's a self-contained construct of subtle energies that has its own consciousness, it's like an artificial soul, and you can impregnate that into a physical vessel like a crystal or something like that. And I think that is what the so-called tablets of the Ten Commandments that were put into the Ark of the Covenant, that's what it was. And based on my research and the works that I've read of Frank Joseph and others, I think there's a lot to be said that the Mount Sinai, which Moses supposedly went up into to commune with God, it wasn't actually Mount Sinai at the very bottom of the Arabian Peninsula, it was the great pyramid itself because the way that it's described as being three mountains as being encircleable

1:32:58at the bottom by the troops, I mean, the actual true Mount Sinai and the Sut in the Sinai Peninsula, it's too huge, you can't put troops around it, but you can't put troops around the base of the great pyramid. And anyway, they described how Mount Sinai would quake and trumble and it would glow. Another term for Mount Sinai is Mount Horib, which means glowing mountain. And back during ancient times, the great pyramid was white limestone on the outside and it would shine like really brightly. And it would. Recapstone as well. Yeah, and the capstone as well. And when it was operational, it would create a trembling sound as well as a horn sound. And inside of it, in the King's chamber, I think used to be a power source or some sort of crystal device which the original Moses brought out and had to store in something because it was a very strong energy field. And so he put it inside the arc of the covenant. So the arc of the covenant itself is just a box. You know, it's like a box covered with gold on the inside and outside with a golden lid, a lot like an organ accumulator, which is multiple layers of metal

1:33:58and inorganic materials. Anyway, it's a container for a very powerful energy source that had a mind of its own, whether it was a thought form that was occupying it or whether it was a communication device towards some interdimensional or ultra-terrestrial entity or something that became the Lord of Israel. Anyway, so I think that's what the arc of the covenant was. I think it was what I call demi-urgic technology, which is physical technology that is powered up by etheric and astral subtle energy fields and that has its own artificial intelligence to it. Now, the reason why this matters is because within ephology, within the UFO field, when they talk about a lot of these UFO ships and vessels, that's pretty much what they are. They are physical things that seem to have an artificial intelligence to them. So they're living things, semi-living things, okay? And so when you try to pilot one of these crafts, you're not just moving levers and pushing buttons, you're psychically interfacing with the consciousness of the ship itself in order to teleport or steer

1:34:59or maneuver or so on. And so that's what alien technology tends to be, okay? It tends to be a physical base that has layered a top of it, different structured subtle energy fields that perform additional functions on the psychic plane, or maybe on the plane of manipulating matter and energy and space and time itself. So a lot of the stuff in the Old Testament, like for example, the staff that Aaron, which is Moses' brother had, that he was able to do magical things with, a lot of these things, they overlap with alien technology. They use a similar kind of physics to it. And so that's what I talk about in the book. And I talk about how the Holy Grail probably was the same thing as what was originally in the Ark of the Covenant, is just, you know, at that point, it was just the crystal by itself, programmed in a different way because the Grail Knights, they were more in tune with the Christly-Serviced other synergy, whereas the original Jewish, the Hebrew priests, they're more operating by it

1:36:00by the old patriarchal kind of vengeful. I mean, that's why their God was a big bloodlusty psychopath in the Old Testament, is because that's sort of what they were typing into. It was a different, different kind of programming. But that's what I talk about in my Nosis book, you know, the idea that this kind of alien technology has shown up throughout history, and it has steered history. I mean, if you think about it today, in the Middle East, the US stands on the cusp of war with Iran because Israel wants us to get into a war with Iran, okay, they're trying to drag us into a war against Iran, which could kill millions and millions of people. But the only reason that's happening is because Jews exist, and it's only because of ancient times that they were able to survive the desert and the journey and everything because of the Ark of the Covenant, because of alien technology. So there are things that have happened thousands and thousands of years ago that are still in play today. There are agendas, bloodlines, geopolitical things that are still happening nowadays because of events that happened way long ago due to alien technologies and also alien agendas. And so it's a big, it's a big, complicated picture. And I try to map that out within this Nosis book.

1:37:02Wow. So what are your thoughts in the theory that, you know, revelations was always planned psychological operation. It was never gonna be, you know, it was always a plan. It was never something that was going to naturally occur, and they've manipulated our past and our timelines so that revelations does occur, does play out to their benefit. What are your thoughts about there? Well, I mean, yeah, yeah. Well, the thing is, there's no doubt about it. There are messianic factions within Christianity and Judaism that want to see those events play out. And they want to see it play out so much that they're willing to make those things happen artificially. Okay, so if a revelation says that an antichrist is gonna rise to power, then they're gonna manufacture an antichrist just so they can move things along. And even within like Judaism, for example, the Sabotein Jews, they believe that in order to bring about the eventual coming of a messiah, the world has to be corrupt at first.

1:38:04You know, it has to be brought to a very dark state. So they freely engage in very dark practices, almost like black magic, sick stuff, in order to create the conditions that would lead to the eventual coming of a messiah. So one thing to say is there are these crazy, crazy religious forces that are willing to do what it takes to make it happen. So in that case, it is like a blueprint. Even if originally it wasn't designed as a blueprint, I mean, it could have been John Patmos, tripping on mushrooms for all I know, and he had some crazy vision. But people took it seriously enough that there has been over 2,000 years now, or almost 2,000 years in order for that vision to be made into reality. So either way, I think it could function more as a blueprint than a prophecy, but the thing is sort of a chicken and egg thing, because like what comes first, especially when you consider time travel and ultra-terrestrial forces that are beyond time, I mean, for all we know, these agendas are happening now, but the past has been manipulated in order to reinforce it. So what if the book of Revelation is ironically enough, a living document that is actually being influenced

1:39:06from the future, or even from like right now, hyperdimensionally, in order to create the feedback loop for us to continually reflect what's happening now and what's going to be happening. These are the kinds of crazy lines of logic you have to go down once you start taking time travel into consideration. Yeah, and I actually resonate with that explanation. I really do. It feels right. There's so many factors that people won't consider because they haven't, you know, they just, unfortunately, that understanding that information at knowledge has been kept from us. Obviously, you know, the occultists, they have it, and we don't. So like going down those lines of logic, like you said, I really appreciate that, and it makes so much more sense to me. And Aaron, you're kind of glitching out over there. Can you, are you still with us? Yeah, I don't know what's going on. I'm glitching out of my end. I don't know why. Okay. Did my connections unstable too? Okay. Well, you're still here, but you're just like, you know, stop animation, Aaron, today.

1:40:10Yeah, that's how it looks on my end for everyone. I don't know why it's doing this, sir, guys. So I'm trying to see if I can fix it. How to have fun anytime, anywhere. Step one, go to chamba casino dot com. chamba casino dot com. Got it. Step two, collect your welcome bonus. Come to pop a welcome bonus. Step three, play hundreds of casino style games for free. That's a lot of games all for free. Step four, unleash your excitement. Chamba casino has been delivering thrills for over a decade. So claim your free welcome bonus now and live the tumble life. Visit chamba casino dot com. No, for just necessary VGW group void for prohibited by law, 21 plus terms and conditions apply. Tommy mentioned this technology, having like a 3D level and then components in higher dimensions, essentially, that operate with it. And I've heard other actually come from a channeler talking about the pyramids and even mountains. And some of these ancient structures that we believe were mountains,

1:41:11that they're just actually their structures right from their far distant past that look like mountains because they've been so eroded and stuff. And either way, the way it's been described is like the pyramid itself is the foundation in the third dimension, but it has other components in other dimensions. And because of that, and that's done intentionally, so that site can be used as a portal site to access the other dimensions. And so if you're talking about the technology within the pyramid that has other layers to it, the pyramid itself would likely have other layers as well. Would you agree? Yeah, and it's even sadder nowadays because ancient times, it's physical base, which is the physical pyramid, it had even more like physical layers to it, it had the machinery inside, it had like levers and chemicals and plasmas and everything like that. So what we see nowadays is like the shell of a physical thing, which itself was only the base of a higher metavysical thing as well. So as far as the pyramid goes though,

1:42:11that is something that I analyze in my notice book. And one thing I noticed right off the bat is that the structure of the pyramid is modeled after the human form, or at least some sort of humanoid form. So if you look at the cross section of the pyramid, where the heart is, the human heart, it's that part of the cross section, that's where the underground subterranean pumping chamber is that used to pump water up into the pyramid. So it functioned as a heart itself, it was a ramjet pump, a ramp pump. And if you go up higher above that, where the trachea and the lungs are, that's where the ground gallery is. And where the voice box is, that's where the queen's chamber is. And then where the mouth and the teeth and the tongues are, or tongue is, that's where the antichamber is prior to the king's chamber. And the antichamber had these vertical slats that could be raised and lowered to mimic, I think the position of the tongue and the teeth, in order to modulate the sound that was coming from the ground gallery, that these resonator things. And then this is something that Chris Dunn, Christopher Dunn, analyzed in his book, The Giza Power Plant idea.

1:43:14So the king's chamber itself, it's almost like the front of the mouth. And the little gables, those little slats above the king's chamber, those actually correspond to the sinus passages. Because the sinus passages have several different fold in them, and those folds correspond perfectly to those cross slats above the king's chamber. So that was like a resonance of resonating chamber above it. And then interestingly enough, where the brain is, within the great pyramid, that's where the, what did they do? Those neutrino detectors detected some sort of big chamber within the great pyramid, that's where that is. So there's still something there which corresponds to the brain. So maybe that's some sort of hollow records or something that isn't being publicly disclosed. So my theory is that the great pyramid, and originally, it was filled with probably a hydrogen-oxygen plasma that was very hot and very glowing. And resonance was being pumped through it in order to probably create scalar waves, in order to do something that involved the arc of the covenant power source

1:44:14that was kept in the king's chamber. So I think it was either, I don't think it was like a power plant. I don't think it was a weapon. I think it was probably something to modify a physical reality itself or Earth itself, maybe shift its axis or stabilize it against a pull shift or retune reality into some degree. And I mean, I explained this much better in my book than I can here, because we're kind of limited time. I don't know how many diagrams or anything, but yeah, check it out. Yeah, that's absolutely fascinating and resonates. And I never occurred to me that it's, so it's mimicking the human body, which everything in nature does that already. So it would make sense that within their structures, they would try to mimic that as well, because they would have some fundamental understanding of that, right? And as above so below, if you look into the human eye, you can see a universe or a galaxy, right? So I mean, it fits those same principles. And I think that's, I love that line of thinking. I really appreciate that. So where can people find your books? I think at Montauk.net, is that worth it? Yeah, if you go to Montauk.net,

1:45:16if you click on books, you can find all the links there. You know, I've got it to Lulu.com, if you hate Amazon or I've got it Amazon, I've got it on Kindle. Now, several of my books are free. You can download it at the PDF or I think even EPUB right off my site. But the notice is one, I mean, that took a lot of work. That's a huge book. So you can get that one on Amazon or Lulu if you want. Right on, yeah. Well, I appreciate that. Aaron, did you have any, not that you're back? Do you have any thing to say or questions about what you were just saying? No, man, this is all fascinating. You're a wealth of knowledge and information. So thank you so much for coming on. This was, this was amazing. Thank you. Right. Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to get your books too. I'm going to get some of your books as well. Yeah, likewise. And Tom, did you have anything that you else that you wanted to touch on before we wrap this up? Yeah, well, so the thing is, these things are not divorced from what's happening nowadays. And just to give you a little prelude to that. And Mar-a-Lago, it trumps, you know, trumps home. He's got a big replica of the Ark of the Covenant there.

1:46:17Yes, yeah. So they keep bringing that up actually, yeah. Yeah. And people joke, you know, like, what makes you think it's a replica? Dun, dun, dun. Right. And yeah, it's a joke. It's a joke. But the thing is, with all the other weird things about Trump, you know, it's only half joke because there's some weird things going on there. And, you know, speaking of timeline wars, we were talking about time wars earlier. Yeah. So time wars, they don't necessarily involve like invading UFO fleets, shooting it out, you know, battling over Earth. It's not like that. It's very tiny little things that have huge effects down the line. Because if you have the hindsight of time travel or, you know, just precognition, then you know all the little tiny butterflies to move in order to steer the hurricanes that happen in the future. So for example, the Butler rally with Trump, simple head turn, couple inches, and we would have been on a totally different timeline right now. We could be in war with Russia, you know, right now, with like Nukes going off, you know, a month ago that had happened, hadn't happened. Right. So it's little things like that where it's the smallest forms of intervention

1:47:19that have the biggest outcomes. That's how you figure, that's how timeline wars would happen. And the thing is we are all, to some degree playing part in a time war, even if we don't know it. Okay. So let's say you think about maybe putting out a certain social media post. And little do you know, it's going to affect someone who affects someone else and down the line, someone's going to write a book about it, which has bigger effects down the line. But you decide, you know what? Yeah, screw it, I'm not going to do it. But guess what? That little screw it, I'm not going to do it. Maybe that was a telepathic suggestion from an entity that had the ability to view into the future and trace back exactly where that the inception point was for that particular future. Yes. You're right. So it's little things like that. I mean, Christians would call it a spiritual war and that is correct. It is a spiritual war, but it's also a physical war. It's also a time war. It's also a psychic war that's happening. And a lot of it is playing out sub-rosets. It's playing out beneath the level of conscious threshold where, and that's why it is so important to build up your discernment

1:48:19and to distinguish between the kinds of subconscious or irrational impulses that you do have. Because some of these impulses, they're going to guide you towards the truth and discernment and good people and good sources. And some of them are going to guide you or steer you towards bad things, self-destructive things, things that you're going to regret down the line, like losing all your money on crypto or something, and little things like that. And you can tell the difference based on what it appeals to. So if it's appeals strongly to your shadow wounds, your ego issues, if it tries to play that up, you know, your greed, all your vices, that's probably going to lead you in a negative direction. Whereas if it's going to play on your discernment, love of others, love of truth, curiosity, clarity, that sort of thing, then it's probably going to be positive. I mean, and it's only something that you can build up through experience, through trial and error. But the more contemplative you are, the more you analyze what's going on within you and what the final effects are, the more observant you are, the more you build up that trial by or error,

1:49:20discernment. And so that's why it's so important for people to do more contemplation and sort of just browsing social media feeds all day long. And, you know, getting the brain turned to mush by by the constant dopamine hits. It's important to kind of take time for yourself, maybe go for a walk or meditate or do some contemplation in a notebook, which I love to do, to write down your ideas, work brainstorm through questions, just build up this sort of like chew your food, all the things that you're absorbing and experiencing, process it, think about it, turn it into skin bone and muscle, meaning the assets of your soul through the things that you contemplate and integrate into your into your being. So that's sort of what I recommend to people. Yeah. Well said. Well said. I always say try to create or live a world that looks exact, the exact opposite of what you see on social media. Like, I mean like you get on there and it's so chaotic and it might as well be world war three on the internet, you know, but if you look out your door,

1:50:21you look out the window. It doesn't, that's not the reality that you're looking at, right? So you just create your own reality with your, you know, like everything you just said is absolutely beautiful. And I did want to, I thought of something when you were talking about the timeline wars and, and you know, going back and like making a subtle adjustment because these groups know of an event that's going to happen in the future. So before it even happens, they make the adjustment like the adjustment bureau. We interview this guy Bradley Loves, who he, he's a targeted individual and his story very much deals with time travel and he brought up the same point because he never understood why at a specific point in his life he started to become targeted until way down the road when they actually the event horizon happened that he realized that these corporations or whoever it was he was involved with, they had the ability to go back in time and target him to just stop him, try to stop him before he ever became a threat because they knew the threat he would become

1:51:22in the future to whatever their agenda. So it's if people are out there who are targeted and they don't understand why, this could be exactly why. Somebody out there knows what you're capable of and what your potential is and they will absolutely try to manipulate your, manipulate your reality to steer you away from that trajectory. It's just a good point to bring up and remain. Yeah, 100%. So people that are just starting their path of awakening, I noticed a lot of them, they will face trials, they'll face their worst trials during the beginning of that process because that is when they know the least but that's also when they're of the greatest potential. So that's when they're targeted the most. And so if you're one of those people just watch out, just watch out for certain people that come at you in very weird and probable ways that try to push you under certain belief system that it sort of matches what you're getting into but there's also something very off about it. And if you really think about it, you can kind of delineate what's off about it.

1:52:24So I've had this happen myself. So back in 2002 when I really started getting into researching fake reality and the matrix and all that, I have some strange people synchronistically come at me trying to lead me into really paranoid directions and good thing I saw through it but I think some people probably wouldn't have seen through it and I think there's a lot of deception that is out there. So there are forces out there that do try to lead us off the path and it's when you first start out that you have to be most careful about that. That resonates so deeply. The people that that's happened to me, I've had people come into my life three in particular that at one point I did take the bait and I started going down that timeline and you learn the hard way and the lesson is beautiful at the end once you can pull out of it but that's if you can pull out of it, right? And certain relationships are people. So if they can't, they won't necessarily target you but they'll work through people around you. They can send a love interest into your life that they know is gonna take you down the path that's gonna be completely different than where you were going.

1:53:25Where were you going, you know, where you were going? So another great point, yeah, I really appreciate that. So I mean, I appreciate your research because it sounds like you've, it's not just, like you haven't just read the books and done the research and, you know, wrote books so you've actually experienced it and you've lived it so you understand it fundamentally because it's happened to you and that's what I really appreciate about like the boots on the ground efforts that we are seeing right now. So thank you for everything that you're doing and this has been absolutely incredible today and you know, I feel like we could talk for hours but I appreciate you coming and joining us today. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, thank you, man. So is that the only place you want people to mind talk that net or people can follow you on X or you anywhere else? Yeah, I'm on X, you know, I'm also on Telegram and I'm also on YouTube and Amazon. But yeah, I mean, you can find all the links at the bottom of my website, montalk.net.

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