EP 299 | Derek & Daniel - Who Are The Wingmakers? Time Travel & The ACIO

0:00That's normal. It's a space station. Hey guys, welcome back to the show just a reminder tickets are still available for our conference coming up this May May 13th through 16th in grafting Illinois rebels of disclosure. We have an incredible lineup this year including Derek and Daniel who are joining us today. And we're going to get into that in a little bit, but I just want to remind you that you can still grab a ticket. It's not too late. Rebelsofdisclosure.com. There's four day passes, one day passes,

1:05and if you can't make it in person, you can get a live stream virtual pass. And we highly encourage that. We have a cool feature where you can actually ask questions to present there through the telegram group. If you aren't there in person, you can participate virtually. So it's a kind of a cool feature. So I mean, it's literally like what a less a month away. And we're basically exactly a month away at this point. Yeah. Right. Yeah. We're super excited about it. And we're super excited to have these guys there with us. And they are going to be sharing information from their grandfather's book Life with the Cosmos Clarence and some new developments and some discoveries they're making as far as his testimony goes. But today we're going to be getting into the wing makers. And if you don't know who the wing makers are, that's what this whole episode is about. We're going to go on a deep dive and just, you know, cover it from all angles and have a lot of fun talking about this. It is one of the most fascinating subjects in my personal opinion. And I've done a few deep dives myself. And every time you take

2:09away something new. So we're excited to bring all this information to you guys and welcome to the show, guys. Thank you. Thanks for having us. Yeah. Your time you on. So just for our audience who doesn't know, we've had you on the show before, it's been a while. But you guys host the host of Shred the Vale, which is a podcast, I guess, for lack of a better term. And maybe you could tell our audience about what that is and what you guys do and kind of what your whole mission is before we get into this. Yeah, we originally started on infinite TV and we still have our content there. But since probably about a year now would be moved a lot of stuff to YouTube and primarily our work out YouTube. And our show is called Shred the Vale. And we are really all about disclosure. And we're kind of following our grandfather's legacy. He was one of Dr. Gears 21 witnesses in the original disclosure project in 2001. His background was in the Air Force and the National Reconnaissance

3:10Office. And he came forward with testimonies about his encounters with UFOs and aliens. And he had a cosmos clearance. It's the title of his book, which is like 38 levels of book type of secret. And he was privy to a lot of information about extraterrestrials aliens, UFO crashes, particleization, time travel kind of aspects. And so we over the last 20 years have been trying to just validate a lot of the information that he presented because he passed shortly after he put his book out there. So we never really got a chance to talk to him about in more detail about those topics. So it's always been very on the front of our minds, trying to understand what the real truth is and to cooperate some of the things. And so that's kind of like what we're doing. And we started our show to share the information, everybody. Right. And so the Wing Makers is an aspect of what he talked about in the book. Am I correct about

4:12that? Yeah. The last chapter was just on the Wing Makers. Yeah. Right. So that's really interesting because just to have somebody in your family who claims to have a connection with the Wing Makers, which is one of the craziest, you know, conspiracies out there, which I don't think it's a conspiracy. I really do feel my heart that it's legitimate. And the ACIO, which is the advanced contact intelligence organization, who is a department of the NSA, you know, and their involvement with the ancient arrow site, which is the site where the quote, time capsule was found. As soon as I said that, my ears started ringing. There you go. But yeah. So it's, it's a very, and that was near Chaco Canyon, if I'm understanding that correctly. And what I find interesting about it is on the, on the Anderson Institute website, they have a photograph of the NSA investigation site in the canyon. So I'm like, well, if you wanted to go look for it, you can just take that photograph and kind of go see if you can, you know, compare it because they don't give any coordinates. But

5:15you guys have done extensive research on this. So whichever one of you guys wants to take the wheel and just kind of, you know, give us the background of, you know, what you've discovered as far as who the wingmakers are and what this is all about. Um, this is what I, yeah, to regarding the last chapter of our grandfather's book, he talks about the ACIO and and the wing makers. And he was the only member of the disclosure project that that actually talked about the ACIO at all. He brought it up in his testimony as a, as a real organization that was out there and this was back in 2001. And we've since learned that he may, may have had some involvement directly with the ACIO. He didn't disclose that information at the time, but we've had more than one source tell us that. So kind of makes sense of why he wanted to include this in his book and then thought it was important as they've, as a last chapter. Um, just don't want to, I just want to preface it with that. And then

6:17I think Derek, you probably were best at explaining the ancient arrows sighted with a place to start. Okay, I'll do my best. I'll try. Um, it's been a little while, but yeah, I just want to, we do want to emphasize that our grandfather did say, you know, he did mention ACIO. He said, you know, he was with the NRO, which was secretive of up until 1997. And then he said, if you pay your dues and you follow the rules, there's another organization called the ACIO that your, you or your government can benefit from that organization's information. So, I mean, that's crazy. Now that all the people talk about ACI so much in the last 20-some years, he was, he was very, tenure, you know, very old, you know, in his, in his 70 something. And I mean, he was already kind of on his way out. And he was just saying, by the way, this is important information. So it's the last chapter of his book. And so I think that's very relevant also. So to get into the topic, like you said, it was a

7:20site found in Chaco Canyon. Now, the thing that's, that people need to realize is when they go to the site, the website wingmakers. I believe it's wingmakers.us. You can go to wemakers.com and that gives you a whole plethora of information behind it too. But the original sites wingmakers.com or dot us. Sorry. And it's changed over the years since it first came out. And I think there was reasons behind that. And I think the creator or the original creator, whether they were involved later on or whether it was taken over by somebody else, this person's name was James Mahu who said he created all this information. And then he has a lot of information of now that you can see to back up the original story. But the story's changed slightly. And so the whole book, there's a whole book, an eight chapter book on the original site that goes over how this time capsule was found in a Chaco Canyon tied to the Anastasi Indians. Anastasi Indians that were around in like 700,

8:20180, but kind of just vanished all of a sudden. So the what was found there are artifacts or higher glyphs, things like that were similar to what the culture back then looked like. So it's almost like a remnant, some kind of remnants of that. But very, very, very, very advanced technology when they got to the actual site. It's time, supposed time capsule. So when they, yeah, go ahead. Just going to say when they first are just clarifying the website thing, the wingmakers.com is the updated version that has all the additional information that he's added over the years. And some of the modified stuff, but the wingmakers.us is the one that as there was originally in 1998 when it was first came up and looked and was on there. So if you want to look into that, that's the one where that's the most of where we got a lot of the information we're talking about with specifics to the site, the ancient aerosite. But when they discovered the site, it was the story goes, it was like some hikers that found one of the first artifacts and it turned into a bee, some kind of

9:24decoded, they were able to decode a kind of home and device or tracking device to get to the Chaco Canyon, the actual ancient entrance. So go over from there and used it to decode it and it forgot where it was. Yeah, it went from one agency to the next. You know, whether it was FBI or whoever at CIA to NSA and then eventually, you know, ACI, anything that's an avaliant origin or could be ET origin, they eventually take that over and start to look into it. And so they were even hiding stuff from the NSA and more of the of those that are officially found the site in the first place. Also, the dates are different. Like, was it done and was this happened back in the 70s or early 80s or was it more in the 90s? That story kind of changed over time. Well, they say it's originally the first discovery was made in 1973 and then it wasn't until 1994, whenever there was an earthquake that caused a landslide, it opened up the cave entrance, right? That's like those are the two dates that I know of. Right. Okay. So yeah, it's good to

10:28clarify that too because it seemed like it wasn't fully discovered till later till like the 90s. And that's the gist of a story and why that information came out in the late 90s when it did. And so the first thing that came out with this information was Dr. Naruda. Naruda, the Jameson Naruda, but originally in the original book and everything, his name was Dr. Anderson. And we have the documentary grandfather pulled off from the original site that is basically Dr. Anderson going through his story or at least a memo within the even within the labyrinth group itself. And we'll get into what that is, the labyrinth group. But just the background again, eventually these agencies came in, discovered this by the late night, by mid 90s or whatever it was, they actually found this the homing, homing device. It was an artifact, but they later found it was a homing device, a homing beacon at the end of the day. And there was apparently this remote viewer and this goes

11:30way into remote viewing. And like the fact that our agencies use this, that's very well known, the technology is very well used throughout all since whatever, since the who knows how long. Since our grandfather started this in the 50s, it was part of it too. I think he knew of that. And so this really good remote review or remote view or RV person was able to kind of tap into that. And the homing device, homing beacon was very much, it's a security, it's a security device itself, meaning it will not let anybody access it or penetrate it unless they have the right signature, frequency, whatever you want to call it. But they have to somehow have a relationship and somehow almost like a fingerprint to say, okay, we'll allow you to access this information. And from what the story is, not even some of the others in the ACIO

12:31could tap into this. So they had to use this certain person to gain access and figure out what is going on. And they would only communicate to that person. This Dr. Neruda also felt like he was getting personal information through him. And that later is why he ended up defecting and wanting this information out because he felt like being in the ACIO and the labming for all they were going to do is pretty much lock all this information away, never get it out to the masses. So anyway, this is a time capsule they found. They went into this chamber. It was very pristine. Like it looked like there was no dirt and dust when they started going deeper into this discover. And so it was like this had to be of advanced to origin. Like how do you build out and tunnel out a structure like that and leave no dust, no traces of debris. No debris, nothing. It had to be a whole miles away because there was nowhere even around the area itself that couldn't find any where, you know, at the excavated. Right. And so the layout of this site is basically like,

13:34it was just like a small little chamber. They went down. They were going down into this like mountain, like opening, outcropping, whatever it was. But they were going pretty far down to get to this anti chamber. There's maybe a couple anti chambers before they got this huge opening. It opened up to this pathway that kind of did a spiral. And there was chambers, you know, one after the other up to 20 up to 23. So 23 chambers spiraling up to the very top. And then so the story goes, I think there was maybe one other chamber or one other axis point that went straight down to like 24th chamber. So it might have been tied to chromosomes, human chromosomes is what we. Yeah, what speculations, right? Yeah, like the missing chromosome. And also that spiral, I think, I think, you know, this is apparently a time traveling group, right? And I think the spiral is indicative of that. And we see that spiral petriplif everywhere in the southwest. I definitely

14:39think that represents maybe time travel as well. I think it has something to do with time. And it's the Fibonacci sequence. And who knows like everything, you know, definitely. I think that all ties into that for sure. And then within each chamber to be more specific of what this website shows you is like each chamber has artwork. These really vivid colorful paintings that are just they're kind of like it made in a native way, but also very futuristic, very like just kind of out of this world in a way. You have to kind of see it and engage it for yourself like what that is. So there's artwork paintings in each chamber as well as an artifact. Now yeah, yeah, go ahead. Try to share my screen real quick. I have some images that might. Yeah, yeah. Let me give you permission here. Okay, just and just to know that there's not many artifacts that were actually released on the website. All the paintings were, but not so many the artifacts. And we can explain why that might

15:43be the case as we talk to Peter the insider on that. Well, obviously some of it's probably just simply classified. Right. Right. Okay. So I haven't seen this diagram actually. So this is like a top down view of what, you know, it shows you the entrance and how you get through the tunnels to the the spiral part of it where it starts kind of on the outside and it kind of spirals inward as it goes up. You can see on either side as you go through the spiral tunnel, there's chamber one, two, three, four, and it keeps going up to the 23rd chamber up at the top. And I'll just some of the chamber artwork. I can just pull up a little bit here. Right. Which that to me indicates a womb or symbolizes a womb or a portal or portal, which a womb is a portal. Yeah. He actually went through. There's all 23 pictures. We had two part series with Jessica and Peter, the insider from the ACIOs, talking about,

16:44you know, the meaning behind each of these and, um, yeah, we go into that a lot of detail. Or he tries to explain the best you can what he's in painting is. So please look at that. If you're more of the, I guess the overall theme from that was a lot of these are in a way like warnings to humanity, um, with respect to, you know, being more aligned with with our higher self or, or, or first source and, and less distracted by the matrix around us. And, you know, otherwise, the consequences that we don't, uh, you know, figure that out and circle again on that path. So look at, look at what we're unpacking. These pictures are worth a thousand words. Like, the one, the one you have on the screen that that's central, um, looks like magma or lava, like shooting out of the earth. Um, it almost looks like maybe like that one being looks like it might have a tail. Like, I don't know, these people coming up from the underworld to the surface.

17:45Uh, yeah, we have portals, the spirals, the triangles. I mean, the, uh, portal, uh, yeah. Yeah. A lot of going on here, right? Like, this could represent different realms. Uh, dimensions. So yeah, yeah, that's just a taste. I mean, so if you go to that original website, that wingmakers.us, you can look at all the different chambers and it has the, these original artworks. Like Derek said, the other website, they've evolved a little bit. There's been some changes, some modifications, but these are the original. Right. So let's talk about Dr. Anderson and, and what happened? Like, he, so he defected and found a journalist to share this information with, a quote random journalist, which I don't know how random it actually was, but, um, it, it's because, so he was, I think he was the top scientist who was able to decipher the optical disc, which was the big artifact that seemed to have like alien information on it or maybe just a historical information of this civilization, right? Right. And on the disc in

18:47chamber 23 and it took them like six to eight months to decode it. And, um, they said it was, I mean, that he was the sky was like the top linguist around that he knew a lot of ancient languages as well. And, uh, they had like Sumerian style text on there, but it was, it was all different. That was the stuff they'd never seen before. Right. So yeah, apparently what he did was so they, they actually used the paintings to decipher, to figure out how to unlock the optical disc. And, and he, so each painting like held us a word and a Sumerian text. And so he's, he decided to speak all 23 words in sequence from each chamber in the Sumerian language and that's what unlocked the disc. Apparently, I mean, from what I've read, I don't know if that's actually what happened, but that's interesting. Yeah, I didn't hear that part, but yeah, that makes, that might make sense to you. Um, but yeah, so he, so this is one thing to note when you want to defect from an agency as, you know, as technologically advanced as this, one thing to note, okay, we mentioned

19:50the Labyrinth group briefly. So Naruda, obviously he had access, I think, up to the level 12, what, once you get to level 12 within the ACIO, you have access to the Labyrinth group. And what the Labyrinth group means is that you are then able to know the technology, the pure state technology of these other, the other beings, extraterrestrial beings or whether advanced beings, not from this planet, obviously. And so there was a couple races that they were in touch with mainly what they called the core TM. And I believe that actually, that's what they say is the Anonaki one or less. And then there's a whole subject about that. But the point is that you have to access to that technology at those levels from 12 and then up to the highest is 15, but 15 is only accessed by one individual who goes by 15, who is brought into that program because he seemed to have the ability to almost communicate the best with these other races, other beings that they were

20:54talking with. I think the grays were another part that they were also talking to, whatever Zeta's, but they didn't really trust them as much as they might have with the others. So anyway, there's a technology transfer program taking place or TTP, they call it with the, with the groups at those higher levels. So Dr. Naurita, one thing to mention, what I was trying to get at is that he had a, he had a hesitancy about breaking away because, well, first of all, at those levels, they enhance your intelligence, like they have the ability to do that, right? So that's one great benefit of being involved at that higher level that they can actually go ahead and answer television. But the other thing is they could, if you try to defect, they can completely wipe your mind of being part of that program. And I think we have other whistleblowers that come out that probably have gone through that. So ours probably one of those, you can mention as somebody that he probably was only seen so much and only allowed to retain so much information and the rest

21:55of it was just like they don't remember their day to day going to work. It's like they completely give mindwaves what they were actually going, right? He was a very controlled, intentionally controlled disclosure whistleblower. They wanted him to blow the whistle, but only in a very limited way. And they made sure of that absolutely. Yeah. So that's what he was, yeah, he was worried that, or he was almost confident that if he defected, they were going to blank slate him and he wouldn't remember anything. So that's why he found a journalist right away and shared the information with her. I believe it was a female. Yeah. And you know, and she created the website and shared what she could, but she left pertinent details off the website and her name. I don't even know if anybody actually still to this day knows who she was, but or is. It was originally she was Nan and then she changed to Sarah. So great. But the one thing that I did remember reading was that she like he he warned her. Dr.

23:01Anderson warned her of not going to the NSA to like not don't pursue an investigation. He said because for one, they'll probably give her disinfo and send her on a wild goose chase, but two, he said he explained to her about the remote viewers. He explained her the importance of the remote viewing program to them and what and how they were using it and they could track her anywhere she was. So they, you know, he kind of suggested that she just kind of leave that part alone. Yeah, that makes sense. So so yeah, there was a least there was a long lot of sessions. Obviously of them talking and her recording the whole conversation. So there's there were originally four interviews on the website and then they released the fifth interview later on. So that also goes to show like how much of the fifth interview is the original information or maybe could have been altered at some point. I don't know, but I it's just weird that they would have these little changes and some were more significant to letters, but I recently just went back and looked and they show you and they show you pretty good

24:06comparison. I like I guess from the interview paragraph by paragraph what the first one said compared to the later version. So some of those main changes are like the information about the central race which maybe wasn't quite mentioned as heavily in the in the beginning and the original and the fact that these time capsules whether they they later were like well maybe the aren't time capsules were not sure, but they're defensive security measures and that was later put out while the original according to this website post was it was more related to just I guess gaining knowledge from within going with fan and trying to enhance your spiritual abilities and help awaken the planet more or less and that's what those sites are for. And maybe as a defensive mechanism that kind of is ultimately the goal. It was just kind of a narrative switched on that. I think that's that you just said the key word narrative. It feels

25:06it feels like they were trying to control the narrative at some point like we need a you know, we don't want people to start you know looking at this stuff too deeply. So let's tell them this whatever given a little from a little bone to appease the public right rather than they continue searching you know it's like oh yeah here's the truth you just stop there they do all the time they do that stuff all the time right right yeah misinformation anything that's been put out before they can alter it here and there and then you're like well what's what do I really believe what is really the truth then right leaves it out up to the up in the air basically but like even like the distances light years away from these other beings and races like they blend from like 15 light years 15 thousand light years to 15 million or whatever it was so little things like that little changes the one other thing I want to mention I we can go in so many different directions but the other thing I mentioned is like this this group that's coming eventually to come and you know

26:08harm us is the animus is like the antagonist in this whole story they call it the animus and and more or less it's an authentic race that's more than likely not even from this universe but it's come to this universe it's basically AI and that's kind of like the final kind of the final battle or what's what we have to to come into terms with or deal with in these kind of in times that we're in right now it's kind of what's happening right now I mean yeah honestly seriously it is you know the neural link and all that stuff I mean it looks I was just listening to something on Twitter spaces the other day talking about how the AI is taking over the technology itself so if you have a Wi-Fi router in your home the AI is so intelligent at this point it can start doing things with that Wi-Fi router on its own that it was never even designed to do and it's like this crazy like takeover and it's extremely sentient right but whatever if that's

27:11true or not I don't know but it's like you can see the threat right yeah definitely and so Kerry Cassidy goes into law that she she's being on the AI and she I would recommend her if you haven't heard her there's so many like different little narratives and avenues you can go down to people and research that have been out and like this whole Anunnaki story um there's a lot of there's factions among the whole story in itself if you go back to the mythology or the whatever scriptures and writings that have been around since Samarins you know document and all that it's a huge it's the war against the huge a family basically Ananu is supposedly the creator God basically and in this whole narrative within the wing makers information in the site at least now it talks about Ananu as being maybe the creator of this universe or this matrix more or less so he's acting as God and there's many layers of deception within our our what we call reality

28:16which is right less in illusion a lot of people are finding out that at that aspect yeah right yeah I was going to say that's uh yeah definitely a path that we can explore in this conversation I would like to actually talk about the Anunnaki part of it and um the systems that they have in place the suppression system um but uh I don't know if we're ready for that yet or if they're we're gonna finish talking about yeah right yeah yeah there's a few more things I'd want to bring up for first of all it's so this is a supposed to be the wing makers are supposed to be a group 750 years from our future but but the stuff in the in the uh the cave the time capsule right is all dated back to the 8th century AD except for the optical disk which didn't fit in to any time period because it was just so advanced but um what I want to bring up is um many of you guys have listened to our interview with Katie Katie Weiss she channels a group called the

29:21chorus and it's they're like outside of this universe right and it's just like this extremely like zoomed out perspective on life itself and existence you know and she was I showed her the wing the wing maker site and she was just kind of compelled to start looking through it and what she found interesting what she was drawn to was the poems the poems on the site and she read them all and she was flipping out because the poems were she had written two books channeled information from this group called the chorus right well when she was reading the poems it was the same information that she channeled from this group and even some of the same verbiage like same phrases and stuff and she was like whoa this was the craziest connection and she just kept reading and she was like oh my god oh my god like it was just this profound thing this isn't just there's so much encoded within those poems and that artwork about our existence I don't think

30:21people quite understand that so there's a lot just there's a lot to unpack outside of the interviews and I think the reason the artwork and those poems were put out there is four people like her to read it and read between the lines because what she was what she was translating and deciphering from it was something completely different than what I got out of it the first time I read it so right something interesting to note yeah yeah so Abraham had poems the artifacts there were artifacts there were paintings there were poems and supposedly even somehow like music of some kind I don't know how that really well but yeah every every chamber had a different one so it's I'm sure I've never really looked that deeply into the poems I'd be curious about it let's check it out though yeah I remember looking at them like a long time ago and I don't even know if I they're the same as they used to be but I was intrigued and I was like these are definitely like ways to trigger something or activate people if they're not you know there's many avenues and you look at the overall view of this website of the websites like if you're into the more you know practical ways

31:24there's practical ways of you know using teachings or whatever spiritual and lighting and things like that there's just more of just the poems and more like I guess artsy or like or esoteric ways of looking at things so it's whatever draws your attention to it there's no right way of looking at this material right so it just depends on the person and what they're drawn to really right and yeah I there's a Kerry Cassidy did it in an interview with James Mahler who is the web owner of the of the website it was three emails she didn't even able to talk to him live or anything but he said that the original websites came out and it was meant to activate people the what was the content of that website was there to activate people and he has it now it's been evolved so many times all the different philosophy and deep different things that he's added to it like there's this lyricist website there's all these other different aspects that are out there it's very in depth that kind of information has been put there to

32:30for people who were activated by the initial website to further develop their understanding of and to evolve and kind of use that as their path or guide to get through the material and kind of really embrace everything that they had to say so that's how he explained the evolution of it doesn't carry think that Dr. Anderson or whoever like didn't she doesn't she think she knows who that is so she she claims that that James that James Mahler this curator of the website who he never said this but she thinks that he is Dr. Neruda he he's the you know the one who defected from the ACIO okay interesting so you mentioned this 15 character earlier Derek can you expand on that a little more I'm curious sure sure I'll do my best so he he he was there's a lot of interesting things about who he might be and and all good into that too but apparently he joined like in the late 50s

33:30or like 58 something like that but he joined what the ACIO okay so he was put into the ACIO around that time um just a side note on this like our grandfather obviously he started his career and like actually got in the military in 47 but officially in their like their force and radar and all that in 49 and according to his book was part of project blue book and all these alien encounters are crash retrievals type stuff a lot of what like risk clippered stone was talking about he might have been involved early on but uh he mentions he met 15 at some point I think all the way into the 80s like he was it and our grandfather he said he met him at NASA and in this guy 15 just kind of had like long hair didn't have any like like official like clothing like like at the scientific or professional clothing is just like in sandals and like hanging out but his mind was so brilliant they would use him uh our grandfather said they used him to help get

34:32Paul 13 back to earth like those those types of things where they needed a brilliant mind to do that so he was working you know obviously in that area uh and just on side note our my grandmother was working at NASA and our mom was working at NASA during the Apollo landing in 69 even though she was so young but I think our grandfather was amazing another reason why he's probably tied into this I mean my brother are amazing but he brought our mom into that so I think that was also why they were tied to NASA that's just a side note whatever but he said he met 15 so 15 was involved from that early on through through up into the 90s and and so like I said he more or less had some connection with these beings he was a high intellect already he didn't need to have that enhanced intelligence that they were eventually given but he kind of had a it's kind of like the the midway point to to gain this access and gain the trust of these beings so right he gets very quickly now there's

35:34a there's somebody called AR Borden and some people believe that he might actually be 15 or he was 15 and I think he died in 2013 from what the research looks like if you want to go on that whole trail of information look up Michael Lee Hill uh he has a lot of information who say say that name again Michael Lee Hill okay and he's actually a musician and he started to work with the 432 Hertz frequency and that's his whole whole deal and he said he's been getting information from the Anunnaki he didn't even know what Anunnaki was he didn't believe in any of this stuff but he was getting these messages or information and eventually prove that okay this is this is something to it what how he's tied to it certain people claim that they are part Anunnaki themselves maybe 15 is or was and that's also why he was chosen at that position at the higher level so just means to know that yeah well you mentioned when we were texting something about dragonflies

36:38and tied to 15 can you explain that well why don't you explain what your ties that because I all I can say is that I was just looking up random clips about okay who was this 15 and how was he tied to AR Borden and it was just a really weird probably 10 years ago of a video and I thought it'd be a lot more insightful but it just showed pictures the one picture of 15 that appeared in the 70s maybe and Hawaii on a retreat and then AR Borden tied to that but then it was just like some music and all these pictures of dragonflies and I was like what does the dragonflies have to do with any of that so if yeah if you notice the thumbnail I put the dragonfly craft I forgot what they call it from the movie Dune I put it on the thumbnail and the reason I did that is because before I knew about the wing makers and before I saw Dune I had this recall this crazy dream recall experience whatever you recall where I was part of this time travel group who called ourselves the wing makers and we were flying around in one of those dragonfly craft

37:41and we were on another planet well what what I perceived as another planet and it seemed to be like a water planet and there was like if you've seen Star Wars episode two the Clone Wars when they go to the other that that water planet and they have like the bases in the middle of the ocean that's kind of what it was and we were flying to one of those bases anyway I knew very clearly that for some reason we were called the wing makers and and this craft and I have this whole memory and we were like whatever it's this whole thing and I don't have time to tell all now but then I learned about I saw Dr. Saladun interview about the wing makers and I'm like wait what is the wing makers are actually a thing and then I started going down that rabbit hole is blown away then I saw the movie Dune and I saw that dragonfly craft and I'm like wait a second like what is like what is going on here and then you look up that guy and there's that dragonfly connection I don't know I really do think that the that craft is disclosure of a real technology and the book we covered in our inner earth webinar the Law City of Manoa when the guy actually

38:46goes through the portal into this Atlantean outpost he sees craft that mimic our insects and dragonflies and grasshopped like did all of their technology mimic mimic mother nature because it's already perfectly designed and aerodynamic and everything so it's I do think that those types of craft are what we might expect to see in the future anyway yeah I think it's amazing it was such a coincidence right right so but yeah no I guess I mean that the 15s in enigma in itself more or less I don't and so I don't know where else to go with him other than he yeah he kind of is the head of of this labyrinth group of the acio but there are these tears there's another image I wish I had it um that shows that like the unofficial unknowledge access programs it's a really good image that shows the NSA well first of all

39:46whatever other intelligence agencies but the NSA and the the governments and then also above level one or into level one access clearances you have done acknowledge special access programs you have the military industrial complex you have you know special research institutes or labs basically and then you go to second the second level there's like a barrier between that into the second level which is the acio you know and you know as hard as it is for us to believe our grandfather was even involved at that level up to you know whatever levels but then with within the third level or the other level the other barrier before you get to the third level is the labyrinth group so that's the that's the highest it gets as far as and what I said by pure state meaning that they all of the pure state technology that the rational technology as these beings were communicating with them but all of that has been trickled down into the military industrial complex to these

40:47private sectors to get out to the human population to us but just just so diluted and so much like hundreds of years probably at this point like behind where they are now with the original technology so just note that like the day after rouse will buy will fill fill up of course so is a great book that explains all of that and I'll graphically references that also so you mentioned Peter the insider earlier and him giving you an explanation as to why all the artifacts weren't shown on the website can you explain who Peter the insider is and what his affiliation is with the ACIO and what your experience was with him yeah Dan go ahead okay so Peter is as Derek mentioned once you're in the level 12 classification of the ACIO that do you have that clearance and get access to the labyrinth group which is a you know technology transfer group with us a minute the ets and so he has that level and he is very much

41:55part of the secret space program and kind of he still goes on missions and things like that and he has access to you know these pretty in-depth databases of you know anything you can think of that you know with different timelines involved and you know out other dimensional type of stuff that he's involved with as far as anyone that we are aware of that's active in the ACIO these the highest ranking parts that we are aware of and so yeah our experience with him started with you know getting into this wing that's how we kind of connected with him and Jessica who's at the six level and we talked about having them on and going into depths about the wing makers material and so he acknowledged that yeah the ACIO is definitely a part of it he validated a lot of the story that they're they're involved with the ancient arrows site and collecting the artifacts

43:03he didn't go into a lot of detail about the artifacts do you remember what he said about the artifacts yeah yeah I want to tie this in with the artifacts like the really the only artifact that was shown was this crystal like or it's crystal it's just kind of like one was more like cut to a certain like cut to a certain angles and whatnot and the other one was just kind of just random crystals but there's a tie to that because we did a whole episode about crystal technology with Dan Willis from the disclosure project to metagram father and and he was working with Marcel Vogel like the head of IBM at one point and Marcel Vogel went deep into this crystal technology and cutting it into a certain angle it's called the vocal cut but that allows you to enhance like the the natural frequency almost of I don't want to know how do you want to call it but like of the universe but the frequency that we can give off if we if we interact with these crystals we put our intention

44:06behind it we can somehow activate or enhance our own psychic abilities our abilities with that all humans have like when you meditate basically so you get enough people meditating together you know how that can affect like that can affect the earth resonance frequency the human resonance and all that and that's been measurable and that's been seen David Will talk talks about it Dan went to her other people have talked about it so this is true stuff and so Dan Willis has been doing this with Elena Denon actually in many ways in her contacts that she apparently has but just to mention all that Peter says Peter the insider said we some of the technology we don't really even know what it is or how to use it and one of those reasons that it wasn't shown is because just for that reason we don't want to just you know reveal something that we can they're scared of what they don't understand so well they're not going to put that out because they might be showing the public something that might be far more significant than they realize and they're kind of

45:07giving away the secrets maybe right right so just keep that in mind because a lot of what the the site talks about or the wing maker's site website talks about is tied to our own abilities activating our own frequency and abilities they can go in a little bit more detail about if we ever get to that but I just want to mention that they call something the learn or light encoded reality matrix so a lot of people talk about that and how that's basically how we create things and how how we manifest what we want right and so when this ties to our grandfather and the fact that he talked about particleization and I think in some way he knew about this technology and had access to it that it's about turning your thoughts your frequency to mass like void to mass particleizing or manifesting what you want basically having that ability and all human have that

46:08I think humans are very unique because they can do that and a lot of races are are aware of that and that's why they're almost fearful of us and and that's why they yeah our pineal gland is unique to humans as he put it know a lot of the other species do not have that ability have that pineal gland yeah oh wow sorry I hadn't never heard that actually yeah so are you guys familiar with the Transylvanian Sunrise book series yes yes so do you think there's a tie between that Dr. Anderson and the Dr. Anderson with the wing makers I think it's very likely I think there's there's got to be a tie with what though that whole series is about in the inner earth and those those other bases around the world and yeah I believe there's there's definitely a tie to that so yeah and for the people who don't know it's the in Romania the in the Beseji mountains apparently in the mountains there was a sphinx discovered a whole cave site it's very similar to the wing maker story the ancient aerosite and there's this guy involved named Dr. Anderson who

47:14claims to be a part of a time travel research group and and there's all these ties the time travel and this Dr. Anderson and you know we can get into that if we want but I just I just don't think it's a coincidence I don't know and if they are really time traveling and interdimensionally traveling there's no there's no doubt in my mind that they could easily be one in the same and this brings me to my next question you guys are familiar with that there is more than one wing maker site how many are there apparently seven yeah they said there's seven of them and if you look at the newer site it actually has the locations I believe you can you can see what the locations are the at least the cities they they call them out so I assume they've been discovered there there's that I haven't seen any other information on it but it's interesting that one Kerry Cassidy interview that you guys shared recently ashan ashiana dean yeah yeah ashan dean ours she she she brings that up a couple times I actually finally got through the little thing but

48:19she calls the mentioned aerosites and she says there's actually 24 of them or around their world and they have they try and tell a lot of what she's talking about with the different gateways and pathways and openings that are exist on the on the planet and the way that we can what we used to be able to transcend through through these different portals and in which the higher levels but they in general sites were a big part of that she said there's 20 24 of them so I don't know she knows those locations are they've been identified but I think she probably does she had like maps of all that stuff so right and I wonder why they decided to name it the ancient aerosite like what what prompted that nickname right and if they're if they really are 24 of them and ashiana dean other people are tapping into that name in particular I don't know if it's just a random name they threw at it for a project name you know what I'm saying do you happen to have on hand the other locations of the wing-maker sites I think I have the text that you sent me

49:22there I can look that up if you don't have it on hand I don't have it in front of me but I think it's something let me scroll through one second actually here it is yeah it's right here I'll ancient aerosites New Mexico near Shaco Canyon that but it's basically every continent Antarctica was one near Lake Vostok they have names for them actually Pilon in Antarctica Mauu Mauu North Central Africa in the vicinity of Lake Chad Jumala North of Hellensky Finland Adia Adia I don't know South Central Australia and Zianya Southern China near Canton and then Hakomi near Kusko Peru South America yeah it's interesting and they have all allegedly been discovered at this point that's how obviously they know where they are yeah well and also there's the document Dan if you want to briefly mention this because we found the document our grandfather had this and it's collection and I just found it last summer going through the material

50:25I was like well this is interesting it has a prediction for 2023 it's like this is cool information so we did a whole episode on that but it basically said by 2023 all those sites would have been discovered and we would be at the point that we're ready this culmination of you know what's happening right now and it kind of like the prediction was like are there'll be like the nodal points with along the whole earth grid or whatever like almost like the internet itself coming together to like we're more tapped into interstellar communications and whatever means you know whether it's telepathic but also you know through the through the internet itself and how we're able to communicate so fast with each other you know I think all of this is also a warning as we said about the paintings and the ties to AI becoming like we are developing so quick and humans have so much access to information but but basically AI is kind of and the technologies

51:27what we're using to do that and if we're not tapping into our own own you know but identity we are where we came from that's becomes very dangerous right connecting to our own spirit and our spirituality then you become out of balance and that's where problems start happening when you develop too far technologically but not spiritually and then that's when usually civilizations destroy themselves right so it's like right now we see like it's almost like a split happening where you see a lot of humanity going that route but you see a lot of humanity also waking up and growing spiritually and along with technologically you know so right it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out and in our life and that's what that um the letter that we found um from from it was it was basically saying that the the wing maker's mission is in culture bearers on our planet and to kind of drive us into understanding that we are well we are all of this singularity that is the first source and direction was that the the

52:32internet would by 23 would be the focal point to facilitate us with to have this further cultural understanding so that we could all understand this alignment that you know even it's still appreciating all of our individuality and diversity that we have respecting that but you know recognizing the higher truth and you know once we are able to collectively get to a point of awareness on this planet then we can that that that knowledge actually that opens the gate for us to connect galactically with you know other other other species as a collective not just you know let's see what it's facing by some civilization so what what was the date of this letter that was in 98 90s yeah yeah grandfathers came up your grandfathers letter it's the one he had from the website like we uh it was on the original website if you go way back and we he put one the first page in his book and I was like okay that's cool but I didn't

53:32realize it was the he had the whole 10 pages or however many of the actual memo that had the prediction and I was like wow okay I didn't realize that was hitting that so he had it in his possession and you've read the actual 10 page memo yeah yeah now when you can find it on the site but I guess it was just it wasn't apparent to me that that he had it this whole time and that was like a key piece of the information that he's trying to share at the time right so in in 1998 this memo said that by 2023 all the sites were discovered and according to what's available now on you know that they have been discovered and this whole AI takeover thing that you know that's all within the wing maker's material itself but it's all seems to be happening it's like this culmination point right and we're at this precipice and who knows what's going to happen and we think it might be kind of emphasizes point Derek if you wanted to go over that like human 1.0 human 2.0 and 3.0 that they talked about in the different paths that we could

54:36potentially make our philosophy of what they talk about while when it's either that transhumanism AI where it's you know the other side or it's like a more spread in ourselves I'll quickly go through that and it's interesting when I this is the first thing that I have I put some slides together about this actually a while back and we when we did our episode but it states in those interviews or in the material that you know art the earth itself is a very special place and it's like almost the enemnaki knew that when they created us it's so dense basically and the gravity and everything here that's why we still are tied to the third dimension in so many ways we don't have access or many people don't have access to those higher dimensions but we realize that's our ultimate goal and that's kind of if we get information one or another whether you know whether it's part of our own you know coming from us internally or a higher self or some other advanced beings but it's coming from like obviously higher density right it seems to be

55:39and so the enemnaki put us in this kind of this prison prison planet I mean we heard that term before but more or less that's what it is and it's like the human mind system that was created when they created us that kept us into this creating our own illusion of reality of what what we call reality physical reality at least and and what's on it so the human 1.0 in the in the what do you call it the genesis of creation of how we became according to the wingmaker's material is the human 1.0 and Dr. Naruto was talking about this the one point that was the lower intelligence where we could not reproduce we are more like cloned bodies we're slave workers the Anunnaki story I'm not going to go into that but it's about them trying to mind gold and use instead of having to mind it themselves create a human race the slave race that could do it for them blah blah blah so that was how we were created more or less genetically engineered from the primates and I guess the

56:43the natural natural mammals and whatnot apes that were here but also using a higher advanced higher evolved beings like themselves and maybe other genetic material to create humans human 2.0 then became later on they were like okay and it depends on the factions who you want to believe did this and you know Enky versus Enlittle but 2.0 was to create a more highly evolved version of humans that could then obviously reproduce but they then be built disbelief systems of them also like we became more conscious and aware of ourselves and our surroundings is upgrading put in the program that Anu was god and will one day return so all of these mythologies about you know god or whatever religion you want to buy into not that it's bad but it's just it's dumbing down the reality of everything I guess in a sense and you know spiritual there's always

57:44there's something we want to go to and say like I want to know there's there's some truth to this but it's somehow it's distorted always like the and that's the law of one material also says that you know the mind body spirit complex it's a distortion of the sort of first source or first creation of what we're trying to get back to so we're trying to get back there but that 2.0 and the way that Anunnaki kind of influence does kept us in this kind of mindset so human 3.0 is where we're trying to evolve now it's the infinite human of the earth plane to be able to evolve to the next evolution and these scenarios could play out with human 3.0 it can either be it's a split between the AI transhumanism form where you're based on frailty weakness disease etc. or it's the human 3.0 sovereign integral version and sovereign integral is a very a term that should be known within wingmakers it's the whole volumes about that but it's for the wingmakers assisting us

58:46to have immortality through spiritual developments the I am or the we are of you know of existence that the knowing that we're first source that we have direct connections with first source we don't have to go through anything to get there that more or less we find our way to get there ourselves they do it yeah there doesn't need to be a middleman like a church or you know you don't need a middleman to reach enlightenment right right right and the winger makers talk about that two paths of you know spiritual mastery one through religion is looking for the savior complex to you know that needs that be here to complete us to have a lot of allow us to evolve in other ways you know going within you know or like a constraint tradition is kind of right yeah and that programming that you were talking about the jack double day calls it the thought control matrix like it's it's literally like yeah we're programmed with these belief systems and all this stuff it's in our DNA it's in our genetic makeup intentionally yeah they they talk a lot about that they call

59:50the human suppression system and if there's a lot there are a lot of different parts and pieces to it and it's like almost like a programmable thing that they can insert you know up close into like and this is what I don't know and then I can create it when they when they did this but it's all designed to keep us from evolving basically so that we can we can maintain down here as and that time was for slave purposes but you know that was that was you to maintain control always at people to make a make a control just to expound upon all of this like it's funny it brings Max of the prediction the material the memo that we that I found like it it Naruto River was writing that explained he talks about apps like he totally talks about apps as that as we know them but like software programs like in the back of our minds there's the software programs running like and we don't realize it but we've they like it's it's been a it's been ingrained in us and like sometimes they're just waiting to be activated based on other material information and whatever

1:00:54are the time just to be right for us to to awaken to to those programs to allow those to then spark our spiritual development or whatnot but like there's all these other apps that are probably you know they're kind of they had their purpose sort of their purpose for us to evolve but now they need to they must have known that even using the terminology within the site and how they explain things they would be targeted by what by AI looking at okay is this information need doesn't need to be censored doesn't need to be stopped from the public knowing about it so that might be a reason why some terminology is used they talk about you know the elites and stuff but they try to make up words like the in EQ and in EQ in EQ nobula instead of like Illuminati like things like that or the triad of power and so you'll see a lot of terms used but I thought you know about more or less the same thing and meet my meet ways of controlling controlling us. Were you gonna add something Daniel? Well I was gonna go into more of the suppression

1:01:57framework that's the high level overview of how what they call the different things and how it works and a little bit on the inner knocky background and how it all came to be if you guys wanted to go down that. Yeah for anyone who wants to learn more about the wingmakers before we move on to this deeper topic wingmakers what is the exact website that you recommend you I know you said it at the beginning but let's let's just say it again. Well we makers dot us will show you what the website looked like and as I was in 1998 when I was first meeting. Okay and then there's there's wingmakers dot com which is the newer version and then there's also the Anderson institute dot com I don't know if you are familiar with that but there's tons and tons of information about the wing makers on there too. You can look up that website as well. Yeah but let's go into the suppression and everything that I guess is ultimately still part of the wingmakers material. Yeah this is

1:02:58like their mythology this is this is kind of their creation story and everything I'm just gonna read this one little summary just to kind of it's pretty interesting how they describe it but some of the things they talk about one one one term is called the sovereign integral and basically that's the term used to describe our higher selves as part of first source and you know taking on our individuality. I think the compasses are our soul spirit body like all of us I think that's the main thing I need to define before I talk. So it says as first beings the sovereigns created a mind of vessel in which separation could occur so it's having about the creation of the universe and the first source decided to create sovereigns to have this diversity amongst itself kind of similar creation stories that you may have heard before but the sovereigns created a mind of vessel in which separation could occur and from that moment individuality was born over billions upon billions of years the sovereigns of the mind created the universe as we know it

1:03:58they created the dimensions of the higher mind and this mind creation gradually manifested creations of a lower mind it was within the vibratory field of the lower mind that the sovereigns began to lose their memory of their existence as first beings they would look at the words of creation and wonder who created this universe who was behind this magnificent and magnificent and magical world and yet it never occurred to the sovereigns that it was they who created universe and whose very reflection of nature very reflection is nature itself and so the sovereigns began to create God or a concept of a supreme being as one behind creation God was creator of all in nature throughout the multiverse the sovereigns became diminished of power and their sense of responsibility to nature was also reduced the concept of God separate from us was thus born as sovereigns divided into races of intimate dimensional beings they developed a near infinite diversity of creations and only the tiny means fractions of which is known to humanity through symbols and fragments of stories that have most been you know blessed off its mythology then Anus

1:05:02forefathers appeared and knew from the Anunnaki and with them the creation of the human instrument began this was though it was crude when compared to modern day humans the human instrument of this era was nonetheless brilliantly conceived when Anu began to create the next evolution of the human instrument he realized how sovereigns were forgetful of their origins and had cosine creation up to a supreme being the sovereigns that had become the interdimensional beings known as the Atlanteans were the perfect choice to power the human instruments that Anu was creating for the Atlanteans despite their spiritual prowess were inexperienced with deception and this might I might add is a theme worth noting the spiritually focused are often more easily manipulated because of their innate sense of trust so this was before like their landings embodied embodied the human bodies they were intimate dimensional beings and the Anunnaki came and basically tricked them into becoming human so the Atlanteans through the trickery of Anu were seduced into inhabiting human instrument

1:06:05and the sovereigns became humans however not every Atlantean was captured and subjected to the process of human enslavement there were some who predicted the outcome of the human project that Anu was executing and they fled within a dimensional pocket upon earth deep within what is now called the Atlantic Ocean it was these Atlanteans that became known in mythological terms as Elohim works shining ones and these are the same as we know today as the wing makers these beings have been watching the human family since its initial footsteps on a densifying planet called Earth millions of years ago they have been the benevolent resource to humanity because they are human in every sense except they do not have the human mind system which is part of the suppression structure this this programs and systems were the human instrument that distracted and diverted the sovereigns within the human instrument from realizing they are present the wing makers are not guides angels ascended masters or gods that exist within a mentions of the human mind system they live within the interdimensional fields of a higher mind

1:07:06and Mike Wise elders to the human family they provide the paradigms of sovereign integral and the grand portal which is how we remember sovereign integral and be good back to one our first point of existence so it is exclusively on these two paradigms because from these come the first point that enables the individual to resolve the programs that conceal the one equal and truthful from itself so that's basically the overall I mean that says it all right there that's deep but it's very it's very similar to information like the law of one or even Katie and the chorus and the wingman you know it's all it's all I think it was finally at a point ends our in humanity in our civilization here on earth where this information is going to be more and more prevalent and we're going to all start to realize the stuff and and then obviously because you know start with small groups of people and conversations like this before their collective catches on but I do think that we're at that point now

1:08:08yeah and they talk part of their suppression system they have like all these different components I mean it goes into a lot of detail and there's a lot of acronyms and things like that about it um yeah the hologram of deception all the layers behind that and yeah the god god spirit soul complex and all those things yeah that there does that mean these are all the different programs or apps as they say that they that was when the human instrument as they call it was created and that includes not just our physical body but our our spirit as we know it our soul because they have even there's like a matrix within a matrix so we live in this 3D matrix that's our physical body and everything but um and then we think when we when we die we escape the matrix and we go onto the next thing but they say that even like the ascended masters and the people who are in the next realm beyond um that is still an unillusionary matrix so that they're living in you know and they they don't even see the full the next level of the entirety of their sovereign innable selves they're not even aware of it

1:09:12to connect to that first point so um wing makers are apparently outside of both of those realms though and that's um kind of what this says how they've been kind of helping us a guy is trying to get us to these realizations so their definition of ascension isn't really like an ascension it's more like a realization or remembering who we are right and this would make a lot of sense if Naruto or uh Dr. Anderson was having communication with the wing makers why if he was understanding these concepts why he would want to defect if he knew that they were going to hold on to this information right and that's what i'm just reading right here on the Anderson institute websites is in early 1997 the ACAO scientist who had originally discovered the access code for the optical disc became strangely sympathetic with the wing makers mission he was convinced that the ACIO would never share the discovery with the public and he was certain that it was too significant to withhold he also claimed that he was in communication with the wing makers and that they were

1:10:13watching the ACAO's progress and would at the appropriate time make the time capsule and its contents available to the public it's just all it it makes perfect sense to me like this is stuff obviously they know it's gonna break us free right if it gets out so um it's i understand why they want to keep it a secret but not anymore you know like John Warner to fourth set on an interview he said they're gonna keep it secrets but not that good because we're talking about it so well they can only do it for so long and so much there's only so much they can do when when we start waking up that's when it's game over you know we're the we're the key to our own consciousness like they can only keep control if we stay asleep if we stay at if we stay at that very low level of consciousness so that's why they're terrified of us waking up and they do every single thing possible that they can to try to keep us there but it's inevitably happening anyway we see it it's happening you know and nothing can stop what's coming and the words of a certain thing so right there's only so much they can do and I think they're just

1:11:16trying to delay it at this point um because they know it's like it's like what uh the wood said like two chest players one they both know it's game over the one that's already lost he knows he's already lost all he can do is try to delay as much as possible so that's it's not if it's just when we're going to start really seeing the big grand you know things start happening yeah and I I was kind of hoping we well it's interesting we're having this right before they close because I think this month is going to be so crucial as to how these cars are going to be played and who's great how it's going to be played right right so yeah so it's going to be interesting we'll see what happens right well we'll know by the time this airs we'll know what happened but but let's you know let's use our intent to because we're we're a part of this co-creation right so we yeah if we stay out of fear and stay into what we actually want to create and put our energy that's what's going to start manifesting more right right right that's the key

1:12:20so exactly uh is there any other areas of this that we didn't cover that you want to cover or before we start wrapping us up yeah Dan there was the whole thing about the six heart virtues and this is just a whole nother like kind of like a philosophy and more into the like a practical uses of this information and even the quantum pause and and Dan I know you know about that too is like the breathing like our intention just like we're talking about our intention and our breathing and uh you know having appreciation and gratitude all these things these are all like philosophers parts of the philosophy of the website so there is a lot of useful information here the six heart virtues I'll just say that the the six of them that you can keep in mind are appreciation compassion forgiveness humility understanding and then valor and so it's a whole document and paper about how you use those but like any event in your life or relationship

1:13:23a problem a goal or inspiration you just take into account how like how do you how do you take these six heart virtues or use them in any particular situation either mentally spiritually physically like it's just a kind of a it's just really it's not one one-size-fits-all or one way to do any of it it's just how can you apply those in your life how you can you take time to kind of meditate or focus your intention on what you want how to react or you know use use those types of characteristics in your life at any given time you know take a step back and look at that and how you can be better yourself and prove yourselves you know spiritually obviously that will then hopefully give you better connection to in the end first source to creator to what you want to manifest and achieve in your life so that's that in chill here if we said yeah yes well said they

1:14:24go in depth because they want to not just paint this picture of gloom and doom but like how can you how can we do something about this so they talk about like Derek said the breath work this what they call upon pause and then you know focusing on these aspects in your life and they're putting into action I'm not just knowing it but actually doing it right yeah absolutely so let's talk about briefly what are you guys going to be sharing at our conference or what your presentation is going to be about and we'll start wrapping it up and it looks like Derek's broken again so you can start Daniel um so we intend to go through uh we'll get start with the background our grandfather go through the highlights of his book um a lot of subjects that he he touched on and then um we want to talk about what we're really excited about is some new information that we've found out from various different sources that we haven't really shared yet with anyone else so some different remote viewings and uh you know there are other insiders that have come

1:15:25forward to us about some of the information so it's going to be pretty cool for us to share that with yeah I can't wait to hear it all and I can't wait to see it all presented and uh yeah and for those who don't know you guys are going to be presenting on Thursday the final day of the event and uh because I know everyone can't make it for the whole time so if you wanted a day pass to get a day pass and come out and meet Derek and Daniel and I think do you guys plan on having copies of the book at the event I think we will um we haven't talked about that but I think we'll have uh uh up with us and maybe we'll be while I'm available for you to be interested in picking it up yeah Aaron's holding it up right now Aaron always plays the price is right model for me I'm always I'm the price is right model yeah nice there you go yeah hey you got it there too oh that'll be good but no like Dan said like there's so much new information that we're just now coming across I mean the fact that we even got to you are talking to Peter Linsider and Jessica

1:16:27um I recently got to meet Jessica and person actually it was kind of amazing just random coincidence but all these synchronicities happening I I have so far I know Tyler you're working with me to hopefully get some RV related information that we want to share even I think you've been Tony Audrey this is going to help us with that with his group he's doing a whole RV group talk talks with Tony if you don't follow him you should follow him on patreon too and then I've already gotten pretty amazing information through uh pretty well-known source that I don't really want to disclose yet without their permission but uh they apparently got direct contact with our grandfather and he shared quite a bit and uh could confirm a few things so yeah that you talk about yeah that'll be great presentation I'm I'm super looking forward to that yeah yeah yeah so thank you guys so much for joining us today this is this has been a blast and I I mean we barely

1:17:30scrape the surface of this information like I said um I'll put all three of the websites the wingmakers.us the wingmakers.com and Anderson Institute websites in the description and you guys can all the audience can go down their own do their own deep dive because what is super super annoying about the wingmakers and the ACIO if you try and google the stuff if you google the ACIO good luck like they just don't have you need the links to the websites even the wingmakers it's not easy that stuff is buried and they even went to other like brave browser and stuff it's just not that accessible it's there but you just have to know where to look right yeah definitely yeah there's so much references that we we've said in this whole interview that I think it's such valuable information definitely check out the people we talked about in reference to there's so much more there's so many more to you so right and uh just for people who don't know Jessica

1:18:31that you're referring to is Jessica Morocco she has a youtube channel I don't know what is the name of the youtube channel do you know off the top of your hand. John and then tops. What is it? Injana talks or dr and drana eat talks something like that. Okay well we'll put that in the description as well but that's where her and Peter D insider did do a show together and they share a lot of cool information so yeah anyway we look forward to seeing you guys we look forward to meeting you to at the conference and we've met before at an event but look forward to seeing you again at the conference and we can't wait to see all the new from aces new from aces new faces and familiar faces at the event in grafting we're looking forward to it and you can find all the information for that at rebelsofdisclosure.com and really quick Aaron and I are going to be what was the date we decided on for the webinar Aaron. April 28th. April 28th is going to be our illuminati in the music

1:19:33industry webinar and it's it's going to be awesome you know it's going to be another lengthy one but we're really excited about it and it's coming together better than I thought and we were working on it hard yesterday but yeah April 28th stay tuned for that and if you want to be there live for that and be able to participate you can join our patreon for only five dollars a month and that link is below in the description and it's on our website journey to truth.online where you can find everything about us including signing up for our new monthly newsletter so take advantage of that and can you guys please let our audience know where how they can find you guys. Yeah you can find a lot of our content on infinite.tv that's i-n-f-y-n-i-t.tv and then on YouTube our our channel is called Clear Thought CLR Thought. Nice and we'll have those links below as well. Thank you guys for being here this has been great and we can't wait to hang out with you guys

1:20:39here in a month so we'll see you at the event and thank you guys all for tuning in we love you all and until next time have a great evening. Good night. So make the best of this task and don't ask why it's not a question but a lesson learning time it's something unpredictable and in the end it's right i hope you add the time of your life so take the photo grats and still friends in your mind hanging on a shelf in good

1:21:44out then good time tattoos and memories and dead skin on trial through what it's worth it's worth all the while it's something unpredictable and in the end it's right i hope you add the time of your life so it's something unpredictable but in the end it's right i hope you add the time of your life it's something unpredictable but in the end it's right

1:23:00actually i was quote and cherry that's the that's the last time Brad will ever quote me hey guys we hope you can join us this year at the Rebels of Disclosure Conference in Grafton Illinois the Peer Market Lodge and Conference Center May 13th through the 16th as you can see we have tons of fun we made some great memories and we just wanted to take this opportunity to extend the invite to all of you who've never been it's so much fun and it's so important to connect with soul family and we just really look forward to seeing everyone out there yeah i hope to see you all there it's a blast it's really something that you have to experience to to know how amazing it is and it's so much more than just the speakers it's just it's an amazing time and it's amazing to connect with soul family so we hope to see you all there

1:24:04and all that information is below at RebelsOfDisclosure.com so grab a ticket and join us we hope to see you there