Ep. 2503 - Lindsay Clancy's Jurors SPEAK... And It's Terrifying

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2:06announcement with play Travis. This is the Ben Shapiro show. So our jury system, not great, many of us assume that inside that jury room, a bunch of keradins were chanting free Lindsey while celebrating her feminist go-girl attitude while she killed her children. Or maybe we assume there was one dude just shouting friar, even though he totally thought that she might be mentally ill. Well, all of that might have happened. Now the jurors are speaking out. I made my thoughts on Lindsey Clancy's absolutely clear. I think that the prosecution had a very, very difficult burden of proof to meet. I'm not sure that they met that burden of proof. I'm not sure that a hung jury is the wrong outcome in this particular case given the complicated fact pattern and all the rest. Here's what I will say. Her attorney, Kevin Reddington, is a piece of work. I mean, truly a piece of work. So here he was on Good Morning America trying to draw a narrative with George Stephanopoulos. Oh boy.

3:08And what do you say to those critics who say this is a rationalization? What we're talking about here is just plain evil. Oh please, it's not evil. These people don't understand. They don't know what she went through. They didn't see her text messages. They didn't see her journal. They didn't see the notes that she wrote. They didn't see the text she sent her mother on October saying, Mommy, can you please come to here? I am sick. Something's wrong. And it was a result of the medications. They don't know about the number of times that she reached out. She went to the woman in infants. She went to the suicide hotlines. She reached out to everybody and anybody that would listen to her and kept saying, I am not good. I am not well. And it was ignored. Okay. So fine. But then he feels the necessity to talk about her as he hasn't hasn't had as a sort of feminist hero standing up for women everywhere. No. No. She's a mentally ill woman who murder her own children. And then he says that he is asking president from for a pardon. She's not even being tried for a federal crime. What the hell are you talking about? This is just grandstanding nonsense. Please can we stop at the grandstanding nonsense? It is

4:12bad for America. I'd like to say that perhaps Donald Trump who felt compelled to speak out about this case made very well. Mr. President, I would hope that you would consider this young lady, the type of person she is, what she's been through and consider a pardon. There are no federal charges against her. These defense attorneys, like the Ben Crump of feminism over here, truly bad stuff. Well, the big news yesterday from the Clancy post trial is all of the jurors who are now speaking out publicly. And I got to say they're not making an amazing case for themselves. They're not, they're not doing great. So for example, one of the female jurors said that the prosecution did more harm than good. They were just too mean to Lindsay Clancy. Literally their job was to prosecute her for the triple homicide of her own small children. Here's one of the female jurors. Did the prosecution make any points at all to do?

5:15Was there anything that you were like, you considered? No, I don't think so. I mean, I've thought about that a lot. I honestly feel like the prosecutor did themselves more damage than good, by just not thinking about Lindsay. I mean, not the whole picture, not just post-partum depression, not just delusional, not just the voice, but the meds, the whole cocktail of her mental health and these doctors that are prescribing this and prescribing them, they're taking her off this and then they're communicated with each other so out of them. Okay, the prosecution did more harm than good by not speaking nicely about Lindsay Clancy. It's literally their job to prosecute her for the vicious murder of her three young children. And this is the problem I'm having. Okay, the descriptions of the jury, it sounds like, frankly, a bunch of female jurors who walked in there thinking that she was not only

6:17reasonable doubt mentally ill, but innocent in pretty much every way and were militant about it. And apparently one guy who walked in thinking that there was reasonable doubt and that she should be fried anyway. So it seems like jury nullification for everybody. Great. So, honestly, some of the jurors, some of the female jurors, one of them said she actually did not have reasonable doubt that Lindsay Clancy killed her kids. She didn't have reasonable doubt as to whether she was mentally ill. She just, well, I don't know if it was like the hallucinations or whatever, but I just didn't want her punished. Like, what are we doing here? What are we doing? And the jury system, a system in which the only people who are on the jury are the 12 people who dumbed to escape jury duty, as Dennis Miller once suggested. Here's one of the jurors saying, there just didn't get compassion in the prosecution. What in the compassion in the pro, what are you even jabbering about? What are you talking about right now? You know, obviously something happened to this woman that shouldn't have not happened for many reasons. And we appreciated the fact that Kevin was just, you know, cut through the

7:21bullsh**t, you know, mind me saying, and just moved it along with just so much compassion for her. And we didn't find any compassion in the prosecution. I mean, I know it's their job, but in a case like this, you expect a little bit. Um, what? But what? What? I mean, the entire case that they're making is that she with Males murder her three kids. What do you expect them to do? What are you talking about? Now, meanwhile, these three female clansy jurors described the male holdout jurors. So obviously, there's a big controversy over the fact that the defense attorney asked the judge to basically bar the male holdout jurors. Again, not everybody on the jury was a female. There were nine women and three men. So two other males who voted presumably for a quiddle. But the reason apparently they went to the judge is they say the male holdout jurors was refusing to acknowledge that even though he had a reasonable doubt, he was not going to a quid because he was just so taken aback by the viciousness of the killings. So a form of jury nullification again, you want to change the law

8:23about the insanity defense go for it. You want to make the case there shouldn't be an insanity defense. All right. But the jury description of rational doubt like the judges instructions are in fact instructions. They're not recommendations. And here's what the female jurors who again, I don't think are reliable narrators had to say about the male holdout juror who many are now saying is a hero for holding out and avoiding the complete acquittal. Now again, as I said before, acquittal would not have resulted in her walking free acquittal would have resulted in her being involuntarily committed for an unspecified period of time, presumably forever, honestly, because which psychiatrist is going to sign off on the lady who could spontaneously combust at any moment and take children with her. There's a reason that Andrea Yates who murdered multiple of her children in a bathtub in 2001 is still involuntarily committed in 2026. Anyway, here are some of the clansy jurors describing the male holdout juror. And he just completely disregarded the information that they gave him. I mean, he had reasonable doubt. He admitted he had reasonable doubt after we watched that video of the interview. I think

9:26that's what it was. He admitted he had reasonable doubt. And I started filling out the forms. I was so excited. I actually did with three forms. I had a fill out. And I started filling them out. I wrote my signature on each one. And then he said, but I'm still not going to say that she's not guilty by reason of incident. And we would highlight it. And so and so this is the definition of reason of go. But he had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsey viciously killed her children. You know, I will say there are some people who are taking this lady's words and making it seem as though she is fine with Lindsey viciously killing her kids. I'm not sure that's to be fair to her again, just to try to be accurate to what people are saying. I think that that comment, which is not a good comment, we read in two ways. One is, yeah, we're not bothered by her viciously killing her kids. The other is that yes, she viciously killed her kids. And he used that as the dispositive fact as opposed to, you know, what the actual argument was over mental illness. And

10:28bottom line here is what it appears like. And unfortunately, this happens very often on jury. It appears as though there's kind of jury nullification on all sides that some of the female jurors thought that she did it, but they wanted to let her off. Some of the male jurors or at least one male juror thought that there was reasonable doubt, but wanted to convicted her. And so you ended up at the hung jury, which again, by the way, I thought was always likely. And in some cases, in some ways, a not only expected outcome, but the right outcome. And meanwhile, I'll tell you what is totally insane. And then we are a country where we have incentivized people to be crazy and horrible to one another. Now tomorrow marks the anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And we'll get into that. I'm sure a length tomorrow, the insanity that has followed there upon, but we have an entire social media infrastructure that has been created for the nuts, for the crazies, former real housewife of Beverly Hills person named Lisa Reena. She's been pushing the idea that Patrick actually murdered the kids. No, again, it is unchallenged. It is unchallenged that Lindsey Clancy murdered her children. Like her defense, you can make this

11:30argument. But Lisa Reena for some reason has the opinion that Patrick did it. All right, he did it. Patrick did it. Patrick's the one who did it. Not Lindsey. Patrick did it because you know, I also heard that women typically don't strangle. So awful to even say, but that isn't what a woman would do. They don't strangle. I was actually in therapy today and my therapist and I were talking about it and she said, I said, well, what do they do? She said, well, they poison or I said, or drown them. Like we literally have that conversation today. And she looks at me and she goes, he did it. It was like, wow, yeah. And now, yeah, yeah.

12:32So Patrick Clancy, quite rightly, by the way, is apparently going to sue all these people. And he should, I hope he suits them into the ground, into the ground, according to in New York Post, Patrick Clancy's attorney hit out the escalating campaign of misinformation being waged by unhinged influencers and minor celebrities seeking attention following his wife's mistrial for the murder of the couples three children. His lawyer, Howard Cooper, told Boston 25 news, quote, over the past months, Patrick Clancy and his family have been subjected to a relentless escalating and destructive defamation campaign. This campaign of misinformation has been launched and promoted by minor celebrities, so-called influencers and outright conspiracy theorists who appear in intent on boosting their own social media profiles and potentially profit by publishing what they know to be outright falsehoods. The Patrick was somehow involved in the death of his young children and other vile claims. This, of course, is right. The lawyer says this campaign now fueled by insatiable media coverage remains it if he for pitching as resulted in real life threats to his reputation livelihood. And like, I hope he sues these people into the ground. I hope he never stops doing them. I hope he takes them for every single thing they are worth. Honestly, you cannot read the transcript of

13:37Patrick Clancy's 911 call and just not have your stomach turned. There's no way. I mean, the relevant portion of the transcript is he goes looking through the head. He discovers her on the lawn, bleeding from the neck and paralyzed on the lawn. And he says, her neck, she's breathing. Lindsay, look at me. Look at me. And the dispatcher says, are there weapons? And he says, I don't see any. Where are the kids? He says, open your eyes. Lindsay, look at me. Open your eyes. Say my name. And the dispatcher says, I'm going to tell you how to stop the bleeding. And he says, it's not really bleeding open wounds. She's in the backyard. He says, Lindsay, wake up. They're coming. Look at me. The first responders arrive. And says, I need you to stay with her. I have to go check on my kids. And this is the part that just turns your stomach. And this is why again, my emotional sympathies are with the juror who says, okay, she may have been mentally elf-rider anyway, because again, this is just an emotional. This is why you shouldn't let emotions dictate policy, but on an emotional level, he says guys, guys, Korra, Korra Dawson, Oh, no,

14:38no, wake up. And then he's screaming and gasping for an extended stretch. And the dispatcher says, what's going on? Hello, and he says, basement basement. Oh my god. And he helped in the basement right now. And then the dispatcher says, hello, hello. And he says Dawson, my buddy, my little boy, my buddy. Ah, she killed the kids. Oh my god. I mean, like, I hope he sees these people into the ground. I hope he sews them and never stops suing them. And for all the horrible people out there who are ripping on Patrick Clancy because he's remarried now. Again, he remarried three years after this happened. And now it has a kid. I hope he lives whatever is left of his life that can be put back together in the best possible fashion because you would never want to trade places with a person like this ever. And people, it's disgusting. I mean, the fact that we have an entire social media ecosystem that praises people who go after the actual victims of cases like this, like you're going after Patrick Clancy or as we'll discuss tomorrow, you're going after Erica Kirk, after her husband gets shot in the neck and dies on camera. Right. There is no, there is no level of hell,

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18:48And then he was convicted of murder. Well, James Tallerico then went on the breakfast club with Charlemagne and explain that Carmelo Anthony's conviction was because of American racism. Now you said in your state of Texas, we see what happened. We'll call him, Melo Anthony. And you said it was a tragedy. What did you mean by that? Well, I've done a lot of work in the state house on Justice Reform. And right now we've got a system that doesn't serve all Americans equally. And we know that black Texans have not gotten the justice they deserve in many cases. And you know, I'm not an expert on this particular case, but I know that there were no black members of the jury. And to me, that's the only evidence you need to really prove that this system is not working for black Texans. How do you do to do all says that there aren't enough black Texans on the jury. And therefore, Carmelo Anthony was somehow victimized in all this. And again, this ties into a broader

19:50perspective in American life, which is that black people are routinely being victimized by quote unquote the system Sandra Bullock, who has adopted black teenagers. She was out there saying the same thing. Here she was on with Hoda on today's show. I mean, you know, we're different this, you know, and I have to see everything through her eyes. And I'm Uber paranoid and they will tell you I'm like, they're like, mom's going to be fine. I'm like, it's not fine. It's not fine outside. But, you know, I'm now learning to trust them because if I've done an okay job, even if I've just done an okay job, where they are now is extraordinary. The energy that is floating around our country and our world again, the color of their skin, they're my babies or my life, but no one knows that when they leave my house. And so that is always in the forefront of what I'm. I can't I've got to stop thinking about it so much because I think we've had all the conversations they know. I think they're

20:50going to they know they know. I mean, she literally says her kids are telling her everything's okay and she the white lady is telling them no, no, no, no, honey, things are going to be really that. Again, we can look in the polling data in the United States when race relations started to turn the wrong way because most Americans black and white thought race relations were moving in a positive direction all the way up till 2013, 2014 and then it all fell off a cliff. And now their entire political structures built a top the lie that America is a deeply and horribly racist place. And an enormous amount of this is just built on bad narrative. It just built on bad set of facts. So Carmelo Anthony back to that. We now have access to his texts, videos of him and it turns out that he was a person with extraordinarily violent thoughts. According to the UK Daily Mail, the material was never shown to jurors because a controversial gentleman's agreement saw prosecutors and defense attorneys agree not to present negative evidence from either teenagers background at trial. Apparently there were comments by Austin Metcalf on his social media that

21:54would have reflected poorly on him to the jury. But that really isn't the issue. The issue is, you know, the guy who stabbed him to death. According to the Daily Mail, Anthony can be seen shirtless posing with a handgun in a screenshot from a video he recorded in November 2024, five months before the killing. Here's an image. There's the screenshot of him with the handgun. And then there's another image that was taken May 5th, 2024. He's seen holding an AK 47 style rifle while standing alongside three other teenagers who was 16 at the time. Now again, there are lots of teenagers across America who have pictures holding guns. I mean, hopefully in more responsible fashion than Carmelo Anthony is holding these guns in these photos. But again, that is not the only evidence here. There's a third incident in which Anthony took a video of himself pointing a gun at a house before running away January 4th, 2025, unclear whose home he was targeting. And then there are a series of texts that Anthony sent to his girlfriend, Beloria Perez, in March 2025, in which he wrote, I f.ing despise black beawards. Ah, I do not like black beawards. All that would glue getting to

22:58the f.ing brain, f.ing n words, they need to go die. And then of course, he was writing about f.ing gay people are f.ing everything up. He had some bizarre comments here about President Trump and Joe Biden. He suggested the Joe Biden, who he called an N word was gay as balls. He said, I like Trump better not go cap. And he hates gay people and all the rest. The most important exchange, of course, is the fact that he apparently was engaged in criminality in October 24. He told his girlfriend that he would go to jail for burglary after claiming he stole a watch from a neighbor. He texted her and she wrote back, shut up. Don't say that. Don't do this to me. He also said in November of 2024 that he had taken a gun and a knife to school. So in other words, there are only about a thousand red flags here and here in lies the problem. Here in lies the problem. We are a society that is so addicted to narrative that we overlook the actual case circumstance. I said this about every criminal case I can remember. Look at the actual evidence in any case and you are likely to come to a better conclusion than if you don't

24:02look at the evidence. And if the narrative matters more than the evidence of your James Tallerico trotting around trying to win the black vote in Texas by saying the Carmelo Anthony is a victim of the system. You are doing something wrong like morally wrong. You should not spin fact patterns to fit your narrative. It is a mistake to do that a moral mistake. Now two more entertaining news. Apparently according to page six, Jimmy Kimmel live is going to be is going to be coming to its terminus. After 24 years on the air, May 2027, it's going to go away. A spokesperson for ABC Entertainment said this information is inaccurate. Any reports about the future of the show are purely speculative. Kimmel signs year to year deals. Now again, Jimmy Kimmel going away would be a boon for America. Jimmy Kimmel. I'm old enough to remember when Jimmy Kimmel was funny. Like when he was actually funny. So I grew up in Los Angeles and he was the sports guy. He was known as Jimmy the sports guy on 106.7 K rock, which my carpool mates used to listen to to my

25:04annoyance. But he was easily the funniest thing on the air is him and Adam Corolle. They were the funniest guys on 106.7. And then he decided to turn into an unfunny woke school and he was going to spend his entire life on the air just being as liberal and annoying as possible. And so for example, during the pandemic, he suggested that the unvaccinated should go ahead and die. I don't know that I'm the mourn for the end of his show. Will you? I know that choice doesn't seem so tough to me. Vaccinated person having a heart attack. Yes, come right on in. We'll take care of you. Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo. Rest in peace, we see. I mean, rest in peace, we see is pretty astonishing stuff from Captain sympathy and empathy over there. He's also called, of course, Melania and expectant widow, which just what what is a lightful fellow? He did this at the White House correspondent's dinner. Our first lady, Melania is here. Look at him. So beautiful. Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an

26:06expectant widow. The fake White House correspondent's dinner, obviously. He's just lovely, what a lovely person. And of course, you'll never forget Jimmy come across over and over and over and over. In the most irritating possible fashion. I whenever he was stuck, he would bring out the tears, just turn those tears right on. And to the people of Minneapolis, the Freddie family and the good family. And these people who were looking out for their neighbors, we might even know that we are with you and you are not alone. Again, Renee Good was driving a car, obstructing officers and clipped a cop with her car. And I saw her with her car. And Alex Freddie had been caught on tape multiple times, getting into violent interactions with the cops. So Jimmy Kimmel, the fact that he is reaching the, it is just amazing

27:11even that we had several decades where our late night was Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel and Steven Colbert. And that's it. That was like the best we had to offer. That was it. Now speaking of culture and the stupidities that are of there was a story that involved yours truly that started to go viral yesterday. So there's an actor named Nick Offerman, you remember him. He's Ron Swanson on Parks and Rec. He's actually terrific in a series called Death by Lightning on Netflix, where he plays Chester, a Arthur great series. Okay. But apparently he was on some podcast or something. And he got very annoyed at me, very annoyed at me based on a clip from three years ago, in which I was talking about an episode of The Last of Us, who's nominated for an Emmy for this episode of The Last of Us. So frankly, I don't remember what I said three years ago. So why don't we assess what I said three years ago and whether I am right or whether I am wrong about this episode of The Last of Us that apparently makes me a vicious terrible homophob or something. Ben Shapiro has gone on the record to talk in interesting terms about you and your work in that show. And I suspect

28:15there are people back home who saw this clip. And so I want our viewers to see it as well. This is Ben Shapiro. So the entire plot of the episode is that Ron Swanson, Nick Offerman, but he actually plays Ron Swanson, but Ron Swanson who likes to nail dudes. So Ron Swanson, a libertarian who hates the government and lives in his basement and is a prepper, but also his gay. Ron Swanson during the zombie apocalypse, he's having himself a grand old time. For some reason, his town is completely not hit by any of the zombies at all. It's like completely left alone. And so he goes out and gets all these resources and then he builds a nice fence around his place and he sets up all these booby traps. So if anybody shows up, whether they're raiders, whether zombies they're going to get killed. And then somehow another dude ends up like falling into one of his traps and they meet and they bang and they end up becoming a couple. Hey, so you can see it here, right? There's gay, Ron Swanson. And it's complete with like sex scenes and the whole thing. And

29:16the entire episode has no zombies, no real threat. And it is about two gay dudes who meet and have a relationship in which one grows strawberries for the other. And then they die. But not being killed by zombies or under threat. One dies. He gets cancer and he decides to essentially euthanasia himself. And gay Ron Swanson decides that he is also going to commit to a side at the same time because Romeo and Juliet or Romeo and Romeo in this particular case. Okay, so I'm right. That's what the episode's about. And what I went on to say is it's a bizarre episode because again, the last of us is not broke back mountain. The last of us is a zombie show. And again, the politics of left of us are very much to the left. There's like a trans character in the show and all that. My only point was this episode is a complete digression from the entire plot line of the show, which again, the director and producers admitted that they just wanted to put

30:17sort of a gay romance in the middle of the show. Apparently because I accurately described the plot of the episode, this makes me a homophob. And also he says I was ripping into his masculinity or something, which I don't know why he's being homophobic. Me saying that you're a dude who wants to bang dudes. I didn't actually challenge your masculinity. I don't know why you're saying that that's non-masculine. Nick Offerman. I don't know why you have against gay people that somehow dudes who want to bang dudes are unmasculine or something. Like I'm just wondering what in that clip was quote unquote homophobic. Seriously, what in the clip was homophobic in any way? It would have been totally bizarre, by the way, for there to be an episode involving say an old man in an old woman meeting falling in love and then dying of cancer in the middle of a zombie show been strange. So that was my entire take on that. And I also pointed out in that clip also that it's hard to think of a less important story in the middle of a zombie apocalypse than a relationship incapable of producing another generation. Because again, the entire question of the zombie apocalypse is

31:19there another generation of humans? And so two people meeting not being able to have kids and then dying, not involving zombies is a digression just in terms of plot say digression. But apparently this makes me a vicious homophobic and Nick Offerman is going to call me out. Nick Offerman. All right, dude, whatever. Well, that's crazy. That's the most venture peer I've ever seen. And there's a very good reason for that. I mean, I don't know what to say. I'm embarrassed for his reading comprehension. He got I think he got eight things wrong in his recap. Okay, positive. First of all, that's not how reading comprehension works. In order to have reading comprehension, you have to read something. You can't watch a TV show and then have bad reading comprehension, even if you misdescribe the plot. That's not a reading comprehension problem because you're not reading. That's how reading works. But tell me more intelligent man, Nick Offerman, go. His his rampant homophobia, but but why don't you go? I don't spend a ton of time with

32:26Ben Shapiro. That was insane. And why are you seeing completely in shock watching that? It was I had read that somewhere like I read what Ben Shapiro said. Gay Ron Swanson. Then I wrote a song that I was performing on tour. And I would preface it by saying, I was going to write a joke about this, but Ben Shapiro questioned my masculinity. And I can't write a better joke than that. One of my favorite things when people say they have no idea who I am. They've never listened to me, but also he did a tour in which he literally put my name in his jokes. But he's never heard of me. Again, I'm just I'm so confused. What in that clip is homophobic? There is nothing homophobic about that clip. That is me accurately describing the plot. And I mean, I hate to break it to Nick Offerman. But gay guys are dudes who bang dudes. That's literally the definition. It's not homophobic

33:30and straight people. If you're a dude are dudes who like to bang ladies. I know these are like basic, basic things, but we're now living in a universe where if I say that, like if I just describe things in the world, apparently it's a form of discrimination. Now, if I say that gay dudes are dudes who like to bang dudes, then this is homophobia. If I say that men who like to bang ladies are called straight men, I don't even know what that is. That's straight phobia because it's true. And apparently we also live in a universe in which there shouldn't be letters in our precious algebra equation. So like everything is getting stupider at increasingly rapid rates. Ideocracy is upon us. Well, we'll let Nick Offerman finish his disk position here. And again, I have to point out he says that his entire joke was me questioning his masculinity. Nowhere in that clip that I question Nick Offerman's masculinity. So I have to ask him, why are you questioning your own masculinity based on playing a powerful gay man? What are you saying that you were being a feminine or unmask-illent in some way? Because I didn't

34:31say that. Are you saying that? Nick Offerman? If so, let's check your homophobia a little bit, Nick Offerman. That is so powerful. That's like a Joe Rogan clip or something that's just so dumb and so wrong. But then it's really upsetting to understand how powerful that probably is and how many people it's reached. Who is this dork co-host? I'll challenge this guy's masculinity. Who's this guy? And honestly, who is this person? And why is he here to like that? Okay, anyway, from our cultural betters. Okay, if that's what you got for controversy the day, I guess people need to cover something, I suppose. Meanwhile, in funny news, the South Park creators, I have to admit, this is very funny. They have changed the name of South Park to South America. They're joking about President Trump naming everything after America. Quote, following their Emmy win for

35:31outstanding animated program, South Park is making a big change. Creators, Stray Parker and Matt Stone announced, inspired by the bravery and patriotism of Apple and Google, who changed the name of Lake Ontario to Lake America, which is stupid. We are changing the name of South Park to South America. We especially want to thank our parent company, Paramount, a Skydance capitulation. Again, Paramount is putting it up. So they don't care. The 29th season of the award-winning series will premiere Wednesday, September 16th. New episodes will be available to stream on Paramount plus around the world with next day availability in the US, Canada and Australia. So the Renaming at South America, which is funny. Okay. See that, I think, is funny. All right. We'll get some more on this in a moment. First, everybody wants to talk about what AI could do. Business owners have a more useful question. What can it take off my plate today? And this is where AI gets kind of interesting. Not another window you have to open, not another tool your employees have to remember to use. It should just be built into the work you're already doing. And that's the idea behind Net Suite Next. Net Suite Next. Weaves AI into the tools your business already relies on. It can serve as insights when you need them. Put AI agents to work on routine tasks and problems. Let you

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38:39friend Clay Travis are announcing a partnership that brings the full sport and state line-up to Daily Wire's audience. Well, over 25 million people, sport and states editorial content will now be featured over at DailyWire.com. The Clay and Buck Show will soon be available for streaming as well over at DailyWire.com. We love Clay. Obviously, we've known him forever. He's been a groundbreaking figure in culture, in sports, in politics. Got a huge audience. We are super excited to be working with him, helping to unite the conservative movement. We're helping him, he's helping us. It's awesome. Clay, of course, is amazing at blending sports culture and politics. And again, the Daily Wire, we're about unifying with other people in the conservative movement, like Clay, which is why both Clay and I are going to be tomorrow at the RNC in Dallas, discussing all of this even further. He joins us online right now. Clay, thanks so much for joining the show and very excited about the partnership. Yeah, look, I'm super excited to give rolling with you guys. I sold out kick five years ago and I'm just looking at the data on sport and state, which is my new media company, primarily focused on sports, although as you just said, we will touch

39:40on everything. I think you guys are going to be a perfect partner here. I can't wait. Building something is always the most exciting. I was talking to a college football coach. I know the NFL is kicking off today. And they were talking about, man, taking over a team that's awful, that's three in nine or four and 13 in the NFL and building them into a playoff team is way more fun than taking a playoff team and trying to win a Super Bowl. And you think about just the scale with which you can improve so rapidly when you're starting and trying to build something new. You noticed because you started the daily wire and built something awesome. And now I'm a huge fan of everything you guys have done. You know, excited for some of hopefully the lady baller vibe to to carry over here. And I think we're going to be producing a lot of great content that is going to entertain a lot of people and hopefully move the country in a same direction, which is something

40:42that's desperately needed still. Now again, as I've been saying, it's going to be awesome to work together. We're combining on particular projects. And of course you can now get clay and bucks show over at dailywire plus sport and state content over at dailywire.com written content other content as well. It's just awesome stuff. And obviously, sport and state is going to be a huge success because you know how to do this. Please, done this before. And I'm sure that sport and state is going to dwarf prior efforts. That is awesome in and of itself. So Clay, well, I've got you. I do have to ask about a couple of sports slash culture related controversies of the day slash week. So WNBA is looking for new commissioner. I've heard rumors that you're up for it. What's the story on your offer number one to buy a WNBA team? What is the story on on whether the WNBA will ever take you up on your multi million dollar offer to have them play a high school boys team like, what's the latest here? The absolute latest is in the wake of Sophie Cunningham coming out and saying, hey,

41:42men shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports. The WNBA lost its mind. And a lot of players, coaches and owners said, hey, you know what? We actually would welcome men who identify as women into the league and being as inclusive as as I am and being as committed to the to the trans agenda as I am. I said, I want to get a WNBA franchise. We will call them the Nashville balls. Nashville does not have a WNBA franchise yet. Please take my expansion check fee and in an effort to be the most inclusive team that has ever existed in the history of mankind, we will have a 100% roster of men who identify as women. Our slogan will be one love, but two balls. And we will, I believe, embark upon the greatest dynastic dominance in the history of sports. We will make the Brady era, era patriots seem like, you know, also brands. And I also, following

42:43the logic of the WNBA players, coaches and owners, I also stepped up and I said, look, I will pay $10 million to the Los Vegas aces. People probably don't realize this, but they're the defending WNBA champs right now, then. They make $7 million for the entire year. If they can beat a high school boys state champion team of my choice, I will give them $10 million. No one from the aces has responded. No one from the WNBA has responded. I think this would be the most watched WNBA game all time. And then, then I stepped up even more. I said, an eighth grade boys team of my choice against the WNBA champions and still zero response from the WNBA. It's really just a slap in the face to true titans of inclusivity like myself that the WNBA is spurning my attempt to bring two balls to every basketball court. And I have to say that these women, you know, they're short-changing

43:48their own players because obviously these women would be slated to make a lot more money if they were to take you up on your offer. The WNBA would become far more popular at the skill level would improve radically. But I guess they don't care about any of those things because they just wish to discriminate against trans people, which is a shocking thing from such a league that is based itself on the idea of tolerance and inclusivity pretty unbelievable stuff, frankly. So I wanted to also get your take Clay while you're here on this controversy over their NFL players should be able to play college football. So apparently there have been a couple players were drafted by the NFL that actually played brief stints in the NFL. And now they're going to go back to college. These are two players. So I guess played four Ole Miss and now they're going to go back to college to play because again, the distinction between amateur and professional sports has basically been obliterated. What do you make of that? Yeah, what you hit on is the key here. How do you distinguish between what is and is not a college athlete when college athletes are often making more money to

44:48play college than many pros are? And what happened here was players went into NFL preseason camps. They were cut and then they decided, wait a minute, I still have eligibility in college. I want to go back to college and be able to make money to play college football. And the SEC, this out these are conference decided we're going to have to draw a line here. We're not going to permit this to occur. And so they have been suing LSU. Now it seems like at least this morning, it seems like LSU has kind of basically relented and said, okay, we won't roster these guys. But the SEC has a hearing today in a federal district court in Alabama where they are seeking the right to kick LSU out of the southeastern conference if as the most significant of the penalties, if LSU will not see two conference rules. Again, it seems like LSU has kind of stepped off the brinksmanship here and it's not going to try to roster these NFL former NFL players now. But I

45:54think it speaks to the larger issue that you just laid out, which is for a long time college said that all of the athletes were student athlete amateurs. The Supreme Court said 9-0, the NCAA is a restraint of trade. We can't keep players from being able to be compensated for their talents. And now it was initially name image and likeness, which is basically just you could do endorsement deals. It rapidly moved into paid-of-play. Well, again, the thing about college sports and again, I'm not a huge college sports guy like professional sports. But the thing about college sports is it was always paid-of-play. Everybody was always arriving each other under the table, going all the way back to the 50s and 60s. This is a real thing. The way that you recruited players to your basketball team back in the 80s and 90s was that you slipped a truck to mom and dad. I mean, this notion that pay was never moving or that most of these players were getting into school based on their scores and stellar GPA and that they were really working hard for that engineering degree. I mean, it was a professional team that was basically attached to a school as a

46:57fundraising ploy. And now all of that has sort of been exposed. I don't know. I'm kind of on the side of the players in LSU. I kind of think that you should be able to just go back and play college ball. And by the way, this in my opinion, this is not going to hold because there will be some D3 college that doesn't make that much money off its sports team right now that will decide, hey, I'll take those NFL players and then we will go compete with another team and we'll just dominate them because we have NFL players on our roster. Well, look, I mean, this is one of the things that I think Congress has to fix because what you've hit on is in the wake of a nine-0 Supreme Court case. By the way, can we just mention the NCAA lost nine up? We can't even get the Supreme Court to agree men can't compete in women's sports to lose nine-0, as you well know, is pretty difficult to do in this day and age. They have to have an antitrust exemption because really what the NCAA is dealing with is any attempt to put in place a rule that cuts what someone might be compensated is immediately challenged. There's a great deal of forem shopping going on here which you can appreciate. If you want to play in Mississippi, you're filing in

48:01local Mississippi courts, right? If you want to play in Texas, Texas courts, you're getting some home cooking in terms of the rulings right now. The LSU versus SEC is Louisiana State Court against Alabama Federal Court and so the challenge is without that antitrust exemption, putting in place any form of restraint of trade is immediately seen as an antitrust violation in the wake of that Supreme Court case. So this is one of the few opportunities where Congress actually does have a role to play in terms of trying to figure out what the rules going forward are for college athletics. Yeah, and again, I think that probably Congress won't be able to do anything because Congress is never able to do anything and college sports will basically end up like the Olympics where it used to be that the men's basketball team in the Olympics was a bunch of amateurs and now it's just a bunch of people from the NBA because the dividing line between amateur and professional has completely collapsed. Well, if you want a ton of great clay, Travis content, not only should you head over to sport and state, but you should obviously also head over to dailywire.com because again, the partnership between us means that his content is

49:03coming to dailywire.com. The Clay and Buck show will soon be available for streaming as well. Clay again, very excited about that and we'll see you at the RNC tomorrow for what will be interesting, fascinating and we'll see how the ratings go against the NFL because again, the RNC and it was more on SkyCank, but I think to put him ahead ahead with the NFL kicking off and putting the game on Wednesday and Thursday, head to head against the NFL particularly when Republicans are trying to appeal to young men. I would have said, hey, maybe we could pick another week, but this is the week they picked. I'm looking forward to hanging out with you tomorrow and Dallas. And I know you guys have a great setup down there and this is going to be a great partnership and I think many people are going to enjoy in both directions all of the sanity that they're going to be able to find. No, it's going to be awesome. And again, we will be at the RNC tomorrow. We took over a gigantic bar. It is all dailywire and friends. It'll be awesome. Clay, we'll see you tomorrow. See you tomorrow. Then appreciate you all. It's more on this in a moment. First, there is a point where enjoying good food starts feeling like a budgeting exercise. You find a restaurant you love.

50:06The Bill arrives to realize that trying a new restaurant has become a pretty serious financial commitment. That's one reason that Cook Unity caught my attention. The experience is surprisingly close to what people actually want from restaurants in the first place. Genuinely good food made by real chefs. Cook Unity is the first chef-led meal delivery service that prepares meals in small batches inside local microkitchens across the country instead of producing them in giant factories. And honestly, you can tell because meals don't feel mass produced. The food tastes like somebody actually cooked it because somebody actually did. Cook Unity works with Michelin, star chefs at James Beard Award winners, food network personalities who create meals that are then prepared in local kitchens and delivered fresh. Never frozen. My wife and I, we'd like to order out Vietnamese sometimes and food is really good. Cook Unity probably has it and probably has it better to be honest with you. There are hundreds of meals to choose from. The menu is constantly changing whether you're looking for high protein options, gluten-free meals, pescaitarian dishes, Mediterranean food, Italian food, Mexican food, Thai food, or just something different from your normal routine. But lots of options. Taste what happens when real award-winning chefs make fresh, small-batched meals just for you. Go to cookunity.com slash pen or enter code

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53:17five Iranian crude oil tankers. Nierr Kharga Island. That was after the IRGC targeted US Navy warship with ballistic missiles twice over the past two days. They're trying to draw America into a broader conflict at this point, but they keep missing. And we keep knocking it down. US warship successfully evaded the attempted Iranian attacks and continued to patrol regional waters. No American personnel were harmed. Iran has used the tankers. Centcom is part of a multi-billion dollar shadow network that funds the IRGC and its regional proxies. Iran has no means by which to defend these vessels. What you're starting to see again is Iran thrashing against the cordon that has been drawn around it. So the Houthis are starting to get pretty uppity with regard to the Saudis over in Yemen. Saudi has been winning victories in Western Yemen against the Houthis. And so the Houthis are trying to go back up against Saudi, Saudi, the Houthis are backed by the Iranians. I will admit that I do find it somewhat hilarious that Turkey and Pakistan, which both signed a common defense pact with Saudi Arabia and Houthis right now attacking Saudi. They're all like

54:18yay Saudi. We have solidarity with you. Here's a high five to have a nuclear arm power in Pakistan and a very heavily armed Turkey. And they're both like, yeah, our solidarity extends to this ceremonial handshake. Yeah, great, great alliance you have there, bros. According to CNN, Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen and launched a major attack on Southwestern Saudi Arabia early on Tuesday targeting oil and other infrastructure and escalation and risks widening the region's conflicts and adding further pressure to crude prices. Again, they're trying to put pressure. Iran is the as proxies on various American allies, hoping those allies will push the United States to basically free up all the oil coming out of Iran that's not going to happen. Secretary of State Rubio said that Houthis are agents of the Iranians, which of course is true. The Houthis in many ways are agents and proxies of the Iranians. I think behind some of this is clearly the Iranian hand. The US is a very strong defensive military relationship with Saudi Arabia. And we're watching those events very closely. It's been going on for some time. I think there's been some ground operations as well where

55:21you many forces are taking on the Houthis and pushing back against some of the ground advances that they attempted to make. And we're monitoring that as I said very, very closely. And one of the big sins of the Biden administration is that they pushed very hard for the Saudi Salat that Houthis go. These were the worst of the Biden administration. Horrible on every possible front for them to be horrible. Iran then responded by the way to us nailing some of their tankers by launching ballistic missiles into Jordan. Here's what that looked like. You can see some of the intercepts that are happening up in the air. A lot of these are cluster munitions, by the way, which means that they are essentially dissolving as they get close to the target and spraying out soccer-sized trappinal and bombs out into the broader area. Again, all of this is a ron just struggling against the grip, the iron grip that the United States and our allies have placed around Iran. So Iran has very serious trouble at this point. Iranians are trying to pretend that everything is fine. The Iranian foreign minister, Sayat Abbas Arachhi, he's minimizing

56:28in the sanctions, suggesting that actually things are fine. Quite after 47 years of sanctions, the US went to war with Iran on behalf of Israel. The Wallah has been disastrous for America, including its standing worldwide. After failing to achieve its aims through sanctions of war, Washington's novel solution is more sanctions. Seriously? Yes, seriously, your currency no longer exists. They don't exist. Also, the United States Treasury has grounded Iranian airlines. This is a huge problem for Iran because Iran's airlines, according to Miyad Maleki for FDD, their hard currency earners, ticket sales, in terms of Lyra, cargo, and overflight fees. And now the United States has designated all 27 remaining Iranian airlines. Plus, Mahan airs enablers in the UA Turkey and the UK, Malaysia and Kazakhstan under powerful terrorism sanctions. So the carveouts that even allow them to replace their parts are gone. So basically, the entire Iranian economy is set to collapse. That is where we currently stand. And it turns out that the successful strategy that we are currently engaging in with Ugar Duran is creating significant

57:29damage. Speaking of significant damage, Russia is really taking it on the chin. So the Ukrainians have gotten extraordinarily creative, particularly in their use of drone technology. And they've been bombing Russian refineries. And you can see on the chart, their crude oil processing, and it is just, it has plummeted. It is through the floor. This is a chart put out by Ian Brummer, demonstrating their crude oil processing by Russian refineries. Just it has, it is tanked. No pun intended. I mean, it is down from about 5.5 billion barrels a day down to less than four. So they are down really, really a long way. The United States is obviously hoping that this is going to jaw, it's going to prod the Russians into some sort of concessions. So Vladimir Putin has been meeting with Steve Woodcoff and Jared Kushner. And I have very little faith in Steve Woodcoff's negotiating ability. Given his prior history, here's what it looked like when they arrived.

58:39Not loving to look at that. God, I don't mean not big on the Whitcoff train here. Meanwhile, Jared Kushner suggested there's no such thing as forever enemies or forever allies hoping that there will be some sort of deal here. Again, I think highly unlikely. This is in Ukraine. Look, we were sitting before with with Germany, which was a former enemy of the US. And so there's no such thing in the world as forever enemies or forever allies. And so we have to start with the first principles idea of what the best outcome could be and what benefits all people. President Trump comes from the business world, which in the business world you think about things in the context of win-win. How do you create opportunities for both sides to do what's in their interest? War is negative. Everyone loses from war. Whereas business and peace is positive. And hopefully, you can find big benefits from that in a big way. Yeah, again, I hope that's right. I am doubtful. Kaha Kallas is the vice president of the European

59:42Commission. Says I think quite correctly. Russia's not interested in peace and it seems more correct to me. I'm happy to see that the first time the special envoy is also visited Kiev. What it meant for the Ukrainians was three days of no bombing for the civilians. So I think that's that's the positive side of this visit, although they have been several times to Russia. I hope that they also heard what the situation on the ground is. And Ukrainians also showed them that Russia is not really interested in peace, the opposite. When they are losing the initiative on the ground, they are bombing civilians from the sky. So at the moment, we don't see that Russia is really interested in peace because they have not given one or provided one single concession.

1:00:44So again, I think that's probably right. Listen, I'm all for talks as long as they lead somewhere. If not, then let the Ukrainians squeeze them. Fine with me. All right, coming up, who gets the DSA suffering a defeat in New Hampshire Democratic primary, actually good news for once. But you're only going to get that if you're a daily wire member. You get more analysis, more news, all of the rest of it. But now is the time. Become a member, use code Shapiro, check out for two months free on all annual plans. Click that link in the description and join us. I will significantly move in in history started with protesting. Oh, I have a choice. Uncle Tom. This is our generation civil rights. I have no idea what the protest is about. Bingo, given the current climate, should have figured as polarizing as place sounders, even be allowed on pants. Okay, hear me okay. Sounders is a close personal friend of chance with Friedman. This is a decision I cannot find. Islam will conquer the West.

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