EP 229 - John W. Warner IV - Disclosure Agendas & Secret Space Programs - UFO Disclosure Or Cover Up?

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3:13But you know, it's like the OSS. The OSS is still part of the CIA, I've heard. They never get rid of anything. So whenever they said, oh, that department's gone, I wonder about that because the Pentagon has an alarming habit of keeping departments, they just sort of rename them and then they put them in hiding. And I don't know exactly what you need so many. Obviously, this is a case of run around and obfuscation and you know, imagine calling the Pentagon as a concerned citizen, oh, I saw a UFO and you know, alien was rummaging through my fridge, you know, and they're like, oh, you need to call the arrow, you know, ultimately, oh, no, you need to call the UAP task force. No, you know, there's five guys smoking, drinking beer and coffee, you know,

4:16doing much or anything, except answering a phone saying, well, we'll put you on to the, you know, UAITPZW. Right. I mean, they just rebranded it basically. Right. Like how they said, MK Ultra ended in the 70s. Oh, yeah. Oh, it just lasted like five years and now it's project psychedelic mushroom. Holy didn't keep continuing on just under a different name or secretly at all. Right. Well, let me give you a brief little intro here and then we'll just jump into this and now we'll have some fun. So, um, welcome back guys. Don't forget to grab a ticket to our conference and graft an Illinois May 22nd through to 25th. It's going to be a lot of fun journey to truth con.com. You can get those tickets below $344 for the four day pass meal plan is 250 optional. If you want that and a live stream ticket is $99 that does include a replay for six months. Come hang out with us. It's going to be a lot of fun. We're really looking forward to seeing

5:17you guys out there on site lodging is sold out, but there is camping on site available nearby hotels and Airbnb. So, uh, we look forward to that. Uh, tonight we are joined by John Warner to fourth. Welcome back to the show, John. We had you on, uh, about a year, two years ago, one year ago, about one year ago. And we got into a lot of stuff. You just recently wrote an open letter to, uh, the Elizando Chris Melon task force and he kind of just laid it all out and said it like it is. So, I really like to break down that, uh, letter and go through, uh, go through that and kind of let people know what's really going on with the disclosure right now. And because obviously I think it's just an extension of the cover up and you can get into some of that. But before that, if you want, maybe you can let our audience know who might not have seen the first episode kind of who you are and how you got into this briefly. Um, uh, man, please go to dark journalist and watch my four episodes that will explain everything.

6:18But basically, uh, my grand, I'll start with my grandfather, you know, I'm from the Melon Banking family. Uh, Paul Melon, my grandfather was an OSS Army officer in WWII. He worked with Alan Delas on project paperclip and he worked with under General Patton. And, uh, my father was Secretary of the Navy and a US Senator for 30 years. And, uh, I grew up traveling the world with my father carrying his briefcase and sat in on some interesting meetings with the Navy and, and, uh, other branches and, uh, got to know a lot of politicians and presidents and queens and metaphor a lot of royalty and, you know, a lot of nefarious people as well. Um, and right around, uh, 1993 or four, I showed the majestic 12 files to my father. I was sort of a UFO, uh, enthusiast at the time, but not really active doing much except maybe reading a book or two a year.

7:20But somebody sent those to me, uh, back when I was a racing driver, I was in California and I raced with this guy. He's like, hey, my father worked for Lucky Martin and some others. And I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Aren't they building UFOs? I don't know where I got that, but I, I saw it somewhere. And he said, yeah, my father's involved. Let me send you some documents and those were the majestic 12 files. And they were fairly new back in 93 and I was 31 years old. So I was pretty naive and I looked at them and I said, well, I'm going to show them to dad. And my friend said, you should, uh, because he's on a chairman in the Armed Services Committee, he sat on the select intel committee. And, uh, boy, he and I went back and forth and, you know, he cracked on them eventually. So that's a brief summary of where I got into this. I got to know Stephen Greer, you know, 20 years ago and some other people, he had mentioned my father and a few, one of his podcasts or two, you know, because he's a virginian as well. So, um, I kind of fell into all this, um, I'm a historian and a writer and I just, um, I'm a World War II historian,

8:24but I understand all of history. And, uh, it started to make more and more sense to me, low and behold. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And if you guys missed the first episode, I highly recommend checking that out if you want a little more background on what he was involved in and what he saw growing up. Uh, but as far as your open letter that you wrote, let's just jump right in headfirst and just kind of have a question. Sure. So for your, uh, your conference in May, is it may? Yes. Yeah. So to CIA and NSA and national reconnaissance office people, do they get a discount? No, absolutely not. They have to pay more. A lot more. No, they're showing up. They showed up last year and we actually, well, potentially, they were at least from a podcast, if not also. Well, uh, that, but I think, I think they were low level agents. This is what I personally think.

9:25There was things that indicated very strong. They interviewed me and, and in the interview, at the conference, they interviewed me and they asked me, do, um, feds ever show up at these type of events? Do you guys ever play the game spot the fed? What do you do if you see somebody here's like infiltrating like they had, they were asking me all these weird questions. And I was just like, okay, I see what's going on here. But so they don't need to work for them. No, they don't need to offer. They don't need a discount. They just kind of sneak it. Well, how they got in the first place is they, they posed as a media company that was interested in filming like a documentary. And we just believed them. We didn't do enough vetting. And we're just like, oh, cool. You know, and we let them, and as a media, there's two guys. And then they were just acting so weird. And we were just getting these off vibes the whole time. And we're like, something's not right with these guys. And they're asking these weird questions constantly. And then he, like what he just said. Um, and then lo and behold, we find out they're, they're two guys from this like anti-conspiracy

10:27podcast called QAnon anonymous. And they, they did a whole episode on the suit on our conference. Like I hate peace. I hate it. Like just bashing it and laughing at it. Right. But we kicked them out after a couple of days. That means you're over the target. You're getting flat. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. But, but, but we kicked them out like halfway through because they were like filming right in people's faces and just acting. Well, just getting a number of complaints about them. Yeah. Everyone's complaining. Yeah. But they look out that those type of agencies do show up at conferences. Yeah. It's interesting because some of my retired spook friends, you know, like, oh, and I, you know, they asked me, you know, said, are you going to this thing in the Midwest? And I said, last year, I said, no. Um, but maybe the next one. Um, so they knew about it. And these guys are retired and they don't, you know, they're not active like you and I are, you guys. Um, but they heard about it. Interesting. Interesting. So I found that interesting. I was like, how'd you hear about it? And I'm like, um, you know, somebody told us and we've got probably,

11:33they said some of their, you know, people, uh, once until, always until, right? Yeah. No, it's, that's, that's good to know. And I, I suspected something like that would happen. This year is not strictly secret space program. So we're not drawing as much attention. I don't think, but regardless, um, but there's still a lot of, I mean, well, Tony's returning. Yeah. Still, and then there's still a lot of other info that is, you know, they don't really want people believing, you know, right? It's just so. Um, well, John, help, help. This podcast is sponsored by IQ bar. I've got good news and bad news. Here's the bad news. Most protein bars are packed with sugar and unpronounceable ingredients. The good news, there's a better option. I'm well and I created IQ bar plant protein bars to empower doers like you with clean, delicious, low sugar brain and body fuel. IQ bars are packed with 12 grams of protein, brain nutrients like magnesium and lion's mane and zero weird stuff. And right now, you can get 20% off all IQ bar products plus reshipping.

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13:42app made for families. With green light, you can send money to kids quickly, set up chores, automate allowance and track spending with real-time notifications. Kids learn how to earn save and spend responsibly while parents have peace of mind knowing smart money habits are being built with guardrails in place. Try green light risk free today at green light.com slash try green light. That's green light.com slash try green light. Paying a picture for us. What's going on right now with this disclosure? Holy shit. You're good as good as mine. You know, everyone, I tracked my cousin Chris Mellon and I tracked Elizondo and I tracked Gary Nolan and all these people, you know, Chris Mellon was at the Barcelona conference. He talked to Linda Mottenhow about nothing really, not much. You know, I'm a big fan of Linda's. I've been following her since my mother gave me her book and like when I was 18, you know, Alien Harvest. She's been around a long time. Yeah. I've heard from certain people that she was warned not to cover the human

14:46mutilations in her books. Really? Just the animal ones. So that's what I heard, you know, I don't know, I, but why, you know, I understand, you know, a lot of the old guard, Richard Dolan and others, they're sort of the old guard. They've been around since the 90s and Linda of the 80s, early 80s. So why they're going to this other side. I mean, I understand that there needs to be some cooperation. But so far, they've only done lies by omission and shell games and nothing burgers and, you know, they're not being other than bringing the topic alive for the last five years or six years, you know, since 2017, the Nimitz thing, you know, they've done precious little and it's all pot air and run around and they, they talk and they have softball hosts and people interview them and it's softball questions. I mean, come on, Gary Nolan and Tucker Carlson

15:46got up there and did an interview and they, they both giggled about the subject, UFO issue. I mean, that's just childish. They're five-year-olds, you know, and so why, you know, these senior people in the disclosure movement are crossing the aisle and shaking hands. What do they expect to get out of that? More attention, you know, it's, it's the wrong move. You know, and they're never going to give an interview to someone who's hardball. Right, right. I mean, can you mail up that? Greer or Daniel List or you guys or anybody out there carry Cassidy? Oh, shit. Oh, they're not going to give an interview. They're not going to put themselves in that position. Crystal never mentioned me because that would be giving me validation. But he can't, I know he's rid of this letter. No, yeah. Yeah, let's get inside. On a part of a physics forum, I'm not a physics, you know, a physicist, but I understand basic physics and try to understand non-linear physics. Heisenberg, Gerlach, Han, Plank, you know,

16:54these German guys that were doing non-linear stuff in the back of the day. But, you know, I sent this out and I sent a link on Twitter and I sent it out. You know, for anyone who wants to read it, and if you guys want to put a link to it, it's fine. It links to my website. You know, I'm just going to, it's written for medium level to low level knowledge folks. I mean, these guys aren't out there. You know, Jack Sarfati, and you know, there's Eric Davis, there's Ron Pandolfi, there's CIA people, there's Elizondo, there's, you name it, they're all in this forum, whether they read a lot of it or just glance at it, I don't know, but I sent it out. And a few people liked it, and you know, it's just, I kept it reasonable because if you start bending about, you know, knock off in and drink, go reptilians and, you know, all this stuff, man, you're just going to get thrown in the loony bin. There's the people in the loony bin and then there's everyone else arguing that it's not

17:56true. And this brings up a point. I'm sure people understand, but I'm going to reiterate it. And that is what you guys cover is the minority of the disclosure moment, the rest of the people, and you know, people like these scientists and everybody, they are grasping with all their strength. What's left of their old reality? And that's hard wood floor that I always keep talking about. They're putting more planks, you know, they're positive, you know, reinforce it because, you know, here I come with an axe and they don't like that at all. And I can gauge like Twitter's mostly useless, but there's a few people on there that are interesting. And you can gauge interest if you do something secret space program, you get like five likes, what you put. And then you post something softball that's just either funny or, you know, in agreement with the UAP task force agenda. And it's like, oh, you know, and so you can gauge that. I mean, Twitter is not friendly towards the SSP narrative.

18:59I noticed that too. The kind of like surface level UFO nuts and bolts UFO communities. It's huge on Twitter. Joe, Joe, you know, right, right. And everybody's retweetin' Lou Alessandro and a million times. And you know, they have algorithms and bots and AI probably to do that. Right. Right. There's one guy told me a long time ago, he said, you realize the argument you're having with this person, they're really just an algorithm or a bot. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Well, no wonder they can't spell. Yeah. Exactly. That's very true. That's very true. Very true. There's a lot of bots. So I'm sure you're aware that $858 billion defense bill that was just signed by Biden recently that kind of provided like whistleblower protection. And it kind of gave the military to green lights. It started disclosing stuff. And Chris Mellon actually, you know, chimed in on

20:00this and said, this is arguably the biggest news that mainstream media won't cover. And I just wanted to get your thoughts on that because within that bill also mandates now, it's finally official that all military personnel have to get vaccinated. And that wasn't official until Biden signed that. So that's interesting too. They snuck that in. Yeah. It's a common political tactic on the Hill senators and congressmen working with the Pentagon and everything. They slip things into bills. If they pass a bill, there's all kinds of stuff in there. You got to go really dig it out. It's hard to find sometimes. My dad says there's stuff he used to say, you know, there were stuff in there. You'll never find because it's not pervy for the public. It's the classified sections of bill one, two, six. You know, and and so at one hand, Chris Mellon says and everyone else said, you know, these idiot congressmen and senators, we're all bought and paid for, folks. Dad told me that long ago, corporations and big banks, banking families of mine, they own

21:00politicians. They do. Oh, yeah. You know, my dad had a lot of help getting elected. There's no secret. So, you know, from my my mother's side of the family. So, you know, it's you're not going to get to see the good parts of certain bills. And the other thing is, you know, it's this bill that passed. I think they slipped in there. Yes, there's whistleblower protection. I'd like to read the fine print on that. Yeah. And good luck finding it. But I'd like to get a copy of it. And then they I think they slipped in. So maybe slipped in some legislation or they're preparing to is to crack down on civilian researchers and make it a crime. Now, that's fascist. Make what make what a crime exactly civilian UFO research. How do you how do you police that? Well, that's a good question. You really can't. But my guess is they're trying to get rid of people

22:03like Greer and some others that have come forward with with a lot of stuff. And, you know, they're trying to move forward. They want to own the narrative. Right. It's thought about controlling the narrative. Right. So back in the 70s and 60s, when I was growing up, the project Blue Book people and others on Capitol Hill, they they they cobbled together a program like Project Blue Book that gives the idea that they're they're looking into these UFO sightings and cases and abductions and everything. But they're really they're going around to people threatening people covering it up, paying them off. They're covering it happen. This is just an huge expansion of that idea. But they're getting Congress more involved. Because more and more people are seeing things in the sky. And you know, they hear about abductions and people are getting scared. And you know, I've had certain people around town. You know, what do you make of this? And I'm like, well, you don't want to know for me because it looks pretty dark on a lot of

23:06areas. And they're like, you know, oh, no, oh, no, I thought aliens were friendly. And I said, well, most of them are probably, but not all. And the ones that are working with the Pentagon and the corporations, they're definitely not the nice ones. Yeah. To my knowledge, maybe there are some now. Whatever, whatever impetus is pushing this UAP task force and Chris Mellon and everybody, all those people, Travis Taylor, Ross Cool Tard, you know, all of a sudden he's a UFO expert. You know, why it's been on 60 minutes and he's a journalist? Well, he doesn't know that shit. Where was he 30 years ago? No, where? Right. But these are approved people. Tom, Tom DeLong is an expert. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. What's his name? Chris Jerotano. Yeah. So he produced a few documentaries, including the Montac Chronicles. But he, I was talking with him privately one time and he told me that they wanted him to do a UFO program. And they said,

24:07Hey, you want to do this show and play a UFO expert? And he was like, but I'm not a UFO expert. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Like, and but this was like travel channel or something like that. And they just, they don't care. They just appoint people who would be a good fit for that role. Right. Right. Like any corporation, they need to hire somebody to make the board look good. Right. But they don't know anything about the corporation or company. But we have the scientist, Travis Taylor. You know, he's had history channel exposure. He's fairly well known. You know, I like Travis Taylor. I think he's funny. And he's down to earth and nuts and bolts like me. But man, either he's very naive about what he's getting into or they're just paying him enough money that he doesn't care. Right. Right. Well, and you know, what's happening is they're trying to erase the UFO history that we do have that we do know by giving us these nothing burgers and these reports that kind of lead you nowhere. So they can, like you said, maintain control of that narrative. And then when we do get old information release, like some of the JFK information,

25:12how he was in talks with MJ 12 and how he was briefed on the UFO program and the CIA was involved in his in killing him and his assassination that no one blinks no one bats an eye like it seems like it just gets swept under the rug and we just keep going on. Because the Pentagon and Congress and the UAP task force people, they know who their audience is and it's not us. No, it's a general public. And sadly, the general public is ignorant and uninterested. Right. And they have more pressing worries in life, work job, money, family, you know, issues, health, then to deal with the UFO issue, which is just most people think is still still a joke. Except that realizes the technology involved in all this stuff is being hit like we have it and it's being hidden from us because it would destroy the gas coal and oil and the money system that we have that's all the bullshit

26:16systems we have that's keeping us enslaved. It would completely make those obsolete so they can't ever let they're like, oh, we can never let this get out and let people believe that, you know, understand that we are hiding this, that we do have this is the last thing they want. So like the threat, like we can talk about this all day and they don't care. But is the second too many people start paying attention and be like, wait a second, there's something here. That's the threat is it's all psychological. It's all mental. They don't want people believing. They want people at most thinking, oh, yeah, there's stuff going on in the skies, but we don't know what they are or most of us just ours, but it's secret military and whatever, like but they'll keep it at that surface level, keep it at arm's length, keep it, keep the questions going, they don't have to work. They don't have to work very hard. No, they really don't. First of all, I'm just asked to do one thing a month and then he's back on his yacht and he's at

27:17the Rolling Rock Club and having a martini. You know, it's like I don't I don't hate the guy. I still, he's a wonderful family. He's a nice guy. You know, I'd go up there and have a martini with him and chitchat about yachts, but you know, the last time I saw him at our family reunion, you know, I brought up the UFO issue and he was furious. He said, you do not talk shop, shop in a family reunion. Right. Yeah. Next time I go, I'm going to roll up there in a patent tank with horns and, you know, huge banners. But you know, it's like most people think, you know, these elite committee of 300 families, whatever you want to call them in America, they think, oh, they're all in on it. It's a 10% of those families. You're a company, and you're talking about a couple thousand people may be at most, who works like Chris Mellon in the deep state and military intelligence, who know a thing or two, you know, at whatever level

28:21they're at, you know, clearances are many in the region, you know, oh, you don't have, you know, cosmic aid plus, you know, clearance, you don't know shit. Yeah, you know that UFOs were back engineering shit, but that's it. Right. That's that's it. That's it. Trust me, if these families knew the truth, and the ones that do probably are hiding and very scared, I know I have a cousin. She understands some of this stuff, but boy, she's just like, man, my life is complicated and enough. Well, there's black male involved too. Yeah. Here's all kinds of, right? So what are your thoughts on the CIA's involvement in this cover up and with the SSP? Did you know that parents rank teaching financial literacy as the toughest life skill? That's where Greenlight comes in. The debit card and money app made for families. With Greenlight, you can send money to kids quickly, set up chores, automate allowance, and track spending with real-time notifications.

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31:30the cutting edge hiring ex-Nazis and all their scientists and they knew all about the UFO file and the food fighters back in World War 2. That's where the band got their name, folks, is World War 2. All sides of the conflict we're seeing these bright balls of plasma and discs. You know, they were craning discs. I've been told the Navy one guy an officer retired told me they were craning spaceships out of the water and the coral sea in 1944 while the Japanese are bombing and strafing them. So I mean, that's how important it is. The US Navy has always had a line share of the technology. You know, you can go back to the Civil War, the iron clad's CSS Virginia and the and the monitor. They were very high tech for the day. So the Navy has always had high tech. Now, the OSS turned into the CIA. Now, they had mystics like my grandfather and Carl Young and some others to help understand the metaphysical side of this UFO issue because you know, they realized the Germans were way ahead and everything. So the CIA was created in 1947. I believe,

32:36yeah, same time it was Wednesday was created in right around 52 for the express purpose of covering nothing but the UFO related issues. And that's where people, you know, fixate on the CIA. No, the NSA was created on purpose to deal with this issue. The CIA does other stuff, you know, overthrow foreign countries and yeah, whatever is called doggery everywhere. But no, the NSA and I've got my steps on works for the NSA. He won't hear anything I have to say about it. But you know, I'm like, go to the lower levels and work with the tall gray guys. Yeah, your pay will go up and your clearance will go up. And he's like, no, I don't believe that. So I mean, people working at the NSA with clear, he's got a high clearance. He doesn't believe any of this shit. Yeah. What do you think is going on with my cousin and everything? He's like, I don't know, any laughs, he doesn't care. You know, so it's people on the inside, the Pentagon and the CIA,

33:39the NSA, the NRO, the Marines, the Air Force, Navy Space Force. Who don't believe in any of this shit? Because they're not given a clearance. Right. Oh, they are all in cahoots. It's like, no, it's an elite within, you know, a minority elite within every branch of the service or the intel. And the same thing with Congress. You know, there are a few senators who are briefed on a modicum of the UFO file like my dad and others. But you know, case in point, there was a congressman, and I forget his name, who in the last six months did an interview with someone. And the congressman said, well, I can't remember his name. And he said, I went to my fellow congressman and senators and said, look, this UAP issue is serious. They're in our airspace. This could be you, you know, we should do this. And a senior senator put his arm around him and said, Joe or whoever, we have more important things to worry about. Come help with Bill 162 on the, you know, corn crop. More important than unknown craft that are operating in ways we can't aren't supposed

34:46to be possible in our airspace. Something's more important than that. Right. Right. It's the biggest issue in human history. Right. UFOs and aliens. It's like, no, it's our entire history. If you go back, like I said, the megalithic buildings, I've been doing this all my life. And you realize Atlantis and high civilizations before the Great Flood, obvious. Goblecky Tepi in Turkey, you know, that 12,500 years old. That suggests organized farming, government, spirituality, all organized. Who taught them that? You know, the narrative was we were in spears and buckskins. Yeah, it's nonsense. And so when you, history is a Swiss cheese, it's mostly, you know, lies, Napoleon said it, said, a lies agreed upon by the winners of war. Right. But when you put ET involvement, both positive and negative and everything in between, the strict mining, the NASCAR lines, the megaliths, the pyramid, the Yucatan, they're finding

35:48more and more cities every day. It's incredible. You go down there and you go to the temple, the sun, and Mexico, and everything. And your jaw just hits the floor. If you understand the history, but once you plug ET in it, most of those Swiss cheese holes go away. You've been arguing with, you know, even alternative historians don't want to go there. They're like, oh no, there's some ET's a little bit. But no, mostly humans. I said, well, I agree. The human beings did that. But there's been many races of human beings, some smarter than the others. You know, there were, there were high civilizations going on before the Great Flood, living not too far away from the Anderthal tribes and left them alone. Right. You know, or primitive Americans, primitive humans, they left them alone. Like we used to do. And now in the Amazon, the Yanomamo and the other tribes like that, they all have cell phones and t-shirts now. And, and, right. Last indigenous tribes who had the spirit, they want all that

36:54spirituality and shamanistic, you know, higher realm of contact, which they've been doing forever to end. Now, they tried that with the Native American tribes, but they never really did it. At least, the very least, the genocide stopped and we gave them reservations. Now, some tribes were wiped off the map. But this war against the indigenous spirituality has been going on for, I don't know, you tell me since the 30 years war of the 1500s. Right. I was the Lutherans, the Hermetic, Hermeticists, Lutherans against the Church of Rome. Yeah. I wonder, yeah, they knew they were no sticks. Right. Exactly. And going back to like the people involved in these programs that just don't believe it exists because they work for the program. And if it existed, they would know I would know. I would know. I would know if that was the but you just maybe forget what I was going to say. So it's what's going on now. I think more of

37:56the same. I mean, look at all these acronyms. You can take a screenshot of the list of acronyms from my letter. You can put it up on, you know, I mean, they're creating a new one. My own eye guy says, oh, there's a new one coming. And I said, well, I'm getting bored. You know, there's so many of them. And believe me, they don't go away just because the Pentagon and the arrow all to main anomaly resolution office. Yeah. What are they resolving? Not much. How cold the beer is. Yeah. Well, 42 degrees. That's not cold enough. So they're, you know, they're creating a, they don't have websites. All they do is the Pentagon website issues of briefing under the heading of arrow or UAP task force. There's no information. No websites. Right. And maybe there will. But as right now, there's none. That's the interesting thing too. And I remember where I was going to say, these people are, I mean, they're just completely ignorant to what's really going on under being used as pawns and an agenda that you're not even aware of.

38:59Yeah, most Pentagon, you know, people, you know, they might have been right in on a tiny bit. And it's like, right, the rest is above your bag right? It's need to know. They're told what they need to know to do their job. And that's it. It's compartmentalized. That's what people need to understand. And I dad taught me that back when I was in college. He's like, you need to understand how the military works. You know, and I was asking, you know, are you a, what's going on with this UFO issue? I don't know. There was a sighting in Virginia back in the 80s. And he said, look, you need to understand that the people in those departments, sometimes they're not listed. And there's all kinds of security levels. You're never going to get any information from anyone. He always, in the early days, he tried to dissuade me, you know, like the majestic 12 files. He's like, don't go down that road. You're not going to find it. Just leave it alone. I said, no way. I'm going to leave this alone. I should. Yeah. Well, when back in the 90s, it was still dangerous to go digging. It really was. I didn't know that. But had I been in touch with Greer in 93, he would

39:59have told me to be damn careful what you do. Now he's still alive. So somebody alive. Right. And well, there's, so you were talking about there's no websites, right? For these not the last time I checked was last week. Well, this is, this is how the secrecy, this is how they maintain the secrecy for a lot of these programs, these clandestine black budget shadow government programs. There is no paper trail intentionally. It's the same as like think of the CIA when they get when they're on mission, right? When they receive an order on us on the throw away cell phone, they get the order. The cell phone goes into the river. They carry out their task. The same thing's going on with the with the secret space program. In my opinion, I don't think there is a large paper trail for any of it for that reason. So even if somebody were to dig or things were to be exposed, there's nothing there. There's no documents. And it's been like that for a couple hundred years that, you know, there's smart enough intelligent services. And so, you know,

41:03this gets to a point that I made in another interview. And I'll listed here is, you know, a lot of people on Twitter and a lot of my friends and other all kinds of people, they say, where show me something? Show me some proof of all this crap. This UFO issue and the military being involved. And, you know, they know something's going on because there's the UAP thing. But, you know, I think most people believe, and I think it's true that tick-tax and other things, those are lucky Martin and Grumman and, you know, general dynamics. Those are our stuff because they need plausible deniability to fall back on. And so I began thinking, you know, what what there's the mass of circumstantial evidence, the millions of civilian pilot, literally millions of reports, military reports. You know, Chris Millin makes a big deal of that. Oh, damn you, Pentagon, you know, you need to give military people more leeway to, you know, it's all about hardware and sightings. That's not important. It's the politics. It's the dirty

42:10deals. It's, you know, what deals have we made with ET? Well, you know, we've all heard from the SSP folks, you know, that could be what they're hiding. They don't care about sightings or I saw a little gray alien in my closet that you give a shit. You know, what they're doing is saying, yeah, you know, eventually within 10 years, they'll be like, sure, you know, we work with some ET's. They're very nice people. You know, we're working on some projects. You know, we'll get back to you on, you know, someday and have a nice day. Go back to work. Go back to school and shut the fuck up. Bob bothering us and go talk to the UAP task force, which will give your run around to all the other departments. And so that's what they're doing. It's obvious to anyone in DC who understands intelligence in the military. I mean, all my friends, you know, they'd laugh and they're doing this again. I said, didn't they do that 1976? And they're like, yeah, but no one remembers. They're doing the same tactics over and over and that's going to come back to bite them, I think.

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46:17Start your GoFundMe today at GoFundMe.com. That's GoFundMe.com. GoFundMe.com. This podcast is supported by GoFundMe. Number one, the elite few rule over the many. These royals and other people, rich families like mine and you know, powerful people, they rule the secret. There's no, I've studied it nine ways to Sunday for decades. There's no other explanation. They rule. So that's number one. Number two, slavery. It's been with us since the get go, since the great flood anyway. And there are accounts of Atlantis that say, well, the regressive sons of Belial you know, started making chimeras and genetic modifications to make slaves. That's very selfish and service to self, you know, and kind of, you know, sentars and bullheaded men, you know, these kind of things that are probably going on in the program. It's not in space. It's not a big deal.

47:18And so slavery never goes away. You've got debt slavery. You've got sexual slavery. You've got human trafficking. That never goes away. You go to a market in the Middle East and a warehouse in the desert, you'd buy anything you want, including I use UFO probably if you have enough money. Somebody told me that you could, you can buy a low level spacecraft from the Russians or somebody for two million bucks. Wow. Really? And the rich people world, that's a bargain. Yeah. Now, I may only go to the moon and the solar system. I don't know how you get permissions to lead the atmosphere or whatever, but you can use it in the earth's atmosphere. You can go to China from Russia in two minutes. Boom. So, you know, these are the kind of weird things that are going on, most likely. So slavery number two, number three, always had religions. New ones crop up every day. You know, I'm sorry for people who put their eggs in one basket with religion, but you know,

48:20it's obvious. That's been our biggest mind control vehicle since the Great Flood. Yeah. Spirituality, BDAM, Nostracism, BDAM. You know, yeah, there were the Templars and the two taunts and the Cathars and the Nostics who knew better, but everyone else, you know, religion. So that never changes. Even if the Vatican says, oh, we love BT, we're going to make them Catholics and everything. That's all bullshit. That's, you know, number three, that never changes. No matter what people do. Now, religion, you know, in Europe, it's falling off. You know, people are losing faith. They're tired of the lies, you know, with everything. And so that's that's a big one. And I should write these down because I forgot them. But the other big one is, you know, money. Money is slavery. I don't care if you're Koch brother billionaire. I know these guys, you know, I have freedom. You know, I have real freedom. Yeah, you got a private jet and a yacht and whatever you can give millions away and get political favors, but you're still a slave.

49:24You're slaved because there's always somebody above you. And even the Queen of England probably has somebody, you know, you know, I probably know who, you know, leaning on her before she died. And now, you know, you know, you can try Charles, you know, a dumber monarch. I know not and try to use that money to like actually free humanity or do things that will like make the system obsolete. Like build free energy devices, build a craft, you know, like do these. Well, they do in secret for themselves. Right, right. But you try to use your wealth to do these things. You get you will get shut down immediately by the system because the money is it's still within the system and control by the century. You have to be on the approved list. Right. And very few people are. Right. Just because you have a lot of money like Bezos or the Facebook kid or even Musk. Boy, do I get shit when I attack Musk on Twitter? It's nothing but an Elon Musk Musk love fest. You know, why love fest. But you know, he's a military contractor. I was right about that. Is there somebody

50:33there with you? Yeah, my wife is. Okay. I just saw someone walk by. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's not an interdimensional. Yeah. Like, oh, right. You enter in our con. Yeah, they're usually hanging out. Right. You know, my Laker closet. It was real like a shadow figure. I was like, what was that? Shadow being, you know, they're all working. Yeah. Sorry to interrupt you. Ah. So good. I don't know. I lost my friend of thought. But the fundamentals of history never check. And then the last one is war and weapons development. Boy, that's what got me into history in the first place. All these wars. And I wanted to know all about the weapons and the politics and the polionic wars and everything. When I was in high school in college. And it's like, wow, history is just going from one war to another. Yeah, you know, this ship sailed around the world and this, this king did this for, you know, whatever. But it's mostly wars. Right. And so these

51:34fundamentals of history never change. And I asked my friend, you know, I said, who has the godlike omnipotent power to keep this machine going with all this stuff and no change of those fundamentals? Now that's got to be ET because these round tables of royals and politicians and big rich people, you know, they don't get long. They find like cats and dogs. I know that my grandfather was on the CFR and adjacent society. I think the trilateral, but I'm trying to figure that out. I think he was in the Cosmos Club in Washington, DC. I mean, these people don't get along. Yes, they let nations starve. You know, let's just let that African nation starve this year and they will come in cross in the world wildlife fund and we'll give him some money in five years when half the population is dead. Right. Right. But they don't get along. Right. I think that the Koch brothers are on these all these big foundations. And they were like, join us, you know, this foundation. I said, no, it's boring. I've been on a board before. I'm not going to do that. It's the person with the

52:39most money on the board gets their say. They're in charge. And so I said, no, it's corrupt. No, no, no, no. But you know, they, I said, do they argue a lot? And they're like, yeah, and I said, no, I've had enough of that. It doesn't get anything done. Of course, I didn't. There's like the warring families and in conflict within the families and within those realms like you're talking about, but they do get together in those meetings because they ultimately are working together, even though they dislike each other. They have to. Right. They understand they're still working for that. Like they can possibly by working together accelerate that one world order agenda. So they just kind of, you know, make do with it, even though they don't really like the other, the opposing. Oh, and there, there's that the rumors of the famous yearly meeting in England. I forget what city where it is where it's half ET, half human. And maybe some inner earth folks for color. And, you know, and they get together and they're like, all right,

53:42this is it. And that goes down the chain of command. So they have to get along. It's like any other kind of board or anything on a corporation. So you got to get along at the end of the day. You may argue about certain points and things like that. But at the end of the day, when somebody at the top gives an order, well, that's that. Now there's some wiggle room and negotiations. You know, a lot of ET races, they love to negotiate and contracts are big. That's where we get contract law and the contracts and corporations. We've learned it from them. And that's big out in the universe. Yeah. You sign a contract. You're beholden to it. Better not break it. Because that's a universal law. And of course, you can get around. You could bend universal law. And they break it, you know, Penny Bradley says they break it all the time. Certain ET groups. Because everyone has an agenda. And that makes sense. Right. Oh, I met these wonderful ET's and they're blue and they sent out the flower of life. And, you know, they're, they gave me a crystal and everything was

54:44love and light. And so it's okay. Well, you know, probably, do they have it hidden agenda? You know, you know, everyone's like, I know, they're wonderful people. You don't, you've got to meet them. And it's like, I'd meet them, but I use the law of discernment, which is where I met the law. And, you know, they might be 97% benevolent. And they like us. And, you know, we like you guys. But we want to steal all your orchids from the Amazon and leave you none. Yeah. It's something like that. You know, it's, it's kind of like not everyone's, you know, 100% benevolent. And same, you know, Yin and Yang, you know, there's a little bit of light in the dark. You know, you take the Yin and Yang symbol black and white. If you spin it fast, what color do you get? Gray. Gray. Yeah. Everything is lighter gray or darker gray. People like simple black and white answers. And there's none. Right. It's everything is gray. Yes. Some people wear very,

55:48very light gray hats. You know, I presume Chris Mellon is sort of a medium gray, a little dark. You know, and I'm a lighter gray hat. But I mean, no one's a saint, no one's a savior. It's just ridiculous. It's part of the reason the human race really, the lessons or the big lesson to learn is that one of them. Right. Because when we mature, when you get older, you learn some of that. Most cops are good. But, you know, there's the 2015-20% that are on the take, you know, or shoot somebody, you know, for money or something like that. But most cops are good. But, you know, it's like perspective is important, you know, everything like that. You know, you interview somebody who's been beaten up by a cop and they hate cops. But then those same cops are, you know, saving somebody's life with a bunch of firemen. You know, it's the sun shining birds are singing and all feels right in the world. Until the season changes and suddenly you lose your motivation to get out of bed. In fact,

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57:54your local Toyota dealer to find out more Toyota. Let's go places. Boy, the universe is all flexible, reality is flexible, everything is flexible and everything is gray. Right. Lighter, dark thing. Nobody's perfect. Oh, God, source night. He or she is a lot pure light and it's like, I wonder. I bet they owe a lot of people with some poker money. Right. Well, I always say that there is no answer for anything. You can make a list of possibilities and the answer is always all the above. I don't think that there's it like nothing is clear cut. Like you said, and that's very apparent. It's very apparent. You don't like that. They don't like the flexibility of something. They like, you know, everything, hard solid, solid, like a white, you know, my dad was kind of like that. I'm like, hey, man, there's a lot of flexibility and greatness in here. Oh, hell no. Right. Right. And it's always, and it's always answers. It's always about who benefits from like

59:00the UFO disclosure, like who benefits from what they're doing right now? Like, obviously, we talked about that earlier, but it's always there's always an agenda behind every move that's made. They're doing this whole UAP thing the whole of it because they have to. Who's on the inside pushing for that? That's anyone's guests, some lighter, gray, medium, grip, medium to lighter, gray hats are like enough is enough. The internet's changed everything the last 30 years. People are seeing more and more shit in the sky. Pilots are seeing stuff. I know Navy personnel are really pissed off. They're like, we see them all the time. What we're supposed to report them is naval flares. I was on the USS Enterprise in 1995 for a couple nights and it's an aircraft carrier. And we saw on the distance of South Carolina and the East, you know, all these orange lights that, you know, they were information, then one zipped away, and then they flipped out and they said, the officer on the deck said to all the enlisted people, you know, I just naval flares. Everyone back to work. And the cheap petty officer, some guys

1:00:06passed me in my own eye friend, who was with me. And they said, they always say that. We know what the fuck they are. Right, right. And they're getting tired. They're getting tired. The service personnel, all branches, maybe not the space force, but all branches, they're getting tired of being treated like children, not given the proper clearances or information. Yeah, they believe in national security and the constitution, most, not all. But the Navy believes in constitution, Marines. Yeah. And they're not beholden to a commander in chief. They're beholden to the constitution, which represents in theory, the American people. But they have been a corrupt. Well, let's talk about the Navy and the space force. So the space force recently took over all military satellite communications. I don't know if you recently saw that. And I don't know how true that is, but that's what was announced. And then the space force also is allegedly

1:01:08working on a new space station. It's going to be three times the size of the Empire State Building and their decommissioning the ISS in 2031. They're going to crash land into Pacific Ocean. It's a piece of shit anyway. Right. So, and the information about the new space station comes directly from somebody I know whose father is working on it. And this is real intel. They'll say it's new, but they've had it up there for 20 years. Right. Oh, we got a space station. It's just like anything else up there. There's a ton of shit up there in the orbit. Very negative, you know, and then space force. They seem to be at their forefront of all this right now. And they even seem to be like an aerospace company as well if they are in fact building the new space station. Yeah. It's a confusing mess. But here's what I know for whatever it's worth, because you know, I'm not right about everything.

1:02:10There was something called Earth Defense Force. And it's been around for 30, 40 years. That I think was changed to US Space Force. So we've always had it for, I don't know, 40, 50 years. We've had a presence in space as a defensive of the Earth, whether it's satellite or space stations. They've had space stations since the 50s probably. And so that's that component. Naval Space Command, the NSC, it's one of those acronyms. That's based in Quagilane Island and Diego Garcia. That much I know from my own eye sources. I've known that for, I don't know, 25, 30 years. I didn't know the significance of it. You know, Quagilane, they launched things with chemical rockets and gravity. It's in a position for privacy, but also there's an electromagnetic benefit of being in Quagilane for getting stuff into orbit or beyond. What that benefit is

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1:05:14by your local Toyota dealer to find out more Toyota. Let's go places. And so that's but that's all I know. Probably the same in Diego Garcia. Boy, if you want privacy, that's in the middle of the Indian ocean. You know, obviously the SSP people mention that from time to time. Right. Where the Germans come and resupply, that's logical to me. Under contract, you know, they have contracts. The resupply, that would be a great place to land. And whether you're in cloaked invisible or whatever, that's easy to do. They were working on that in the 30s. It's my new book I talk about it, optical invisibility. You're changing, it has a time travel component to it. Because in my book, my latest book, Sanity was a luxury. They're aboard a German anti-gravity airship. And the variant brothers and Van Bush, the MIT rad lab and John G. Trump is in there as a character. They cobble up a series of Clistron radar tubes and they say we could bend light

1:06:17using scalar waves and microwave frequencies. This gets into the eldrige and project rainbow stuff. But theoretically, I kind of pieced it together. I think they could have done it. They were working on the 30s. That's the word under FDR and Tesla. And so what it does is it's out of phase. When you you're looking at an aircraft from another aircraft and then you shift the phase using scalar waves and it becomes invisible because it's actually one step further out of time phase than you. So it's a little bit of time travel used for optical invisibility. I think that's kind of sort of how it worked, at least back then, or what they have today, who knows. But I kind of pieced that together. That was interesting to me. Of course, it worked and it had limitations, but it worked. So yeah. And as far as the Navy's involvement and all the

1:07:19stuff, they seemed to be the way back, you know, the diving bells, the Glomar Explorer. I drilled down, this is a six months ago, I drilled down on the Glomar Explorer, which Howard Hughes and Hughes aircraft was involved in. And lo and behold, there it was. My dad is under Secretary of the Navy in 1971. He was involved with the underwater National Reconnaissance Office and the Glomar Explorer. Sure, it picked up a few Russian submarines. What else did it was it designed to pick up off the ocean floor? Right. I'm not sure what. I was like, oh my god. Yeah, I didn't even know that about that. I'm not sure. I don't know about the, we said, Glomar Explorer, look it up. It's a big ship that's designed with two crane towers to lower a grappling, you know, type of grappling device to the ocean bottom to pick up submarines and whatever else it could grasp on to. Oh, you mentioned that in your letter. Did you not? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I knew I heard it. You know, I remember the first interview you were

1:08:21talking about that movie, The Final Countdown, how that was, you know, I watched that movie and it's incredible. They're, you know, talking about time travel and in a practical formality and applying it to the military in the Navy. And you said that was a recruitment film. I noticed the US Navy now is saying referring to the new Top Gun movie has like the number one movie on their Twitter accounts. The first thing Top Gun voted number one Top Gun Maverick voted number one by the Navy ball. And I'm wondering if that's also being used as a recruitment film as well. Sure. I mean, Hollywood's been neck and neck with Intel and the military services. I mean, look at 2001 space. Obviously, I saw that when I was six years old in 1968 with my dad and my best friend. Imagine all the people joining NASA and the Air Force and some other secret, you know, US Navy space program was active even back then. That was a damn, that was showing us the secret space program. A lot of people believe that. I think so as well. They were showing us

1:09:25the truth, which they do on occasion. Now, of course, the Antarctica, you know, they make silly movies like Iron Sky and I think they're making a third one. They're terrible movies. Terrible. But there's disclosure. Sort of because they're demonizing it. They're making it look ridiculous. That to me, to me and others, that that's a red flag because they're going off. It's not like 2001 or the Top Gun or whatever else. No, they're demonizing that to make it look childish and silly. It was made for the movies are made for children. And so they're telling some truth probably, I think, but they're demonizing it as hard as they can. That's a red flag in my book. Well, just like the as soon as the as soon as Trump announced the Space Force, the Netflix series came out Space Force as a comedy that makes it. Right. It makes fun of it. Yeah, right. It's joke. Yeah. And he just disappeared from magic.

1:10:30It's freezing in here. Oh, you're fine. In the bunker, it's freezing here. I keep the humidity at 10%. But that's exactly you're exactly right because Iron Sky is in Starship Troopers is another one that really paint a picture of what the how the SSP operates and what's actually going on. But it's laughable. You know, they do it under the guys account. Yeah. When I in the 1990s, I was working in post production television. I was a computer guy, a compositor doing special effects work for movies and commercials and things like that. And I saw Starship Starship Troopers being made on the computer with the animation in those days. It was all softy Mars. And I was like, this is a weird movie. And then I watched, you know, 10 minutes of it. And I thought, oh, this is ridiculous. And now I'm like, I wonder they're really showing us some of the truth. They make it kind of silly and they make

1:11:30it for young adults and, you know, 12 year olds. Right. But under cosmic law are, you know, they're showing us the truth. I agree. And I've heard from people like Darrell James and some other SSP people that the way they're depicted, wearing, I guess, the dark fleet would be depicted the long leather coats with the hat, the black leather coats with the hat. Apparently, that's exactly how they dress. And that to me, like, that's a detail that you can ignore. If that's really what these people are remembering and that same detail shows up in a movie like Starship Troopers, that's like subtle disclosure. But no one's ever going to connect those dots unless you really go down that rabbit hole. You got to have a good knowledge of all this stuff. And the problem is, and this is what the US government and UAP folks, they know people can't, I mean, this has taken me 45 years of my life to piece together. You know, I had my own, I came to this very slowly and

1:12:31skeptically, but I'm open-minded. I consider everything. You know, that's why I'm friends with Penny Bradley and others. You know, I want to listen, and I want to, and a lot of the stuff they say is, it's very esoteric, but, you know, as far as German history going back to the Romans trying to genocide the Germans, that's true. You've got to have a good knowledge of history to understand that. But ordinary citizens is going to sound like a bunch of complicated gobbledygook. Right. They know that, you know, Chris Mellon and everybody, and they know that. They know who their audience is. And I saw a document many, many decades ago, I don't know, and it said the average IQ of America is somewhere around 85. Like the average. And I was like, this can't be true. I believe that. This is a military document. Someone showed it to me. And now, sadly, you know, I've sort of come to terms with that. They know

1:13:36how to manipulate people. They don't even have to do any heavy lifting. It's so easy to demonize everyone in the disclosure mode is being still a bunch of tinfoil hats with, you know, binoculars looking at UFOs in the sky and making up ghost stories. Right. Oh, they saw that Star Wars. Oh, they saw that. The day the Earth stood still. It's like, wow, there's a lot of sci-fi movies where, you know, aliens are attacking us. Right. You know, post apocalyptic movies too. It's there's a lot of disclosure in the original 1960 Star Trek series. Oh, yeah. Now the word to story on that that I've gotten from several sources and I piece it together. Gene Roddenberry who was, you know, a war or two pilot. He saw action. He was the real deal. His best friend was Leslie Stevens Jr., who was a Hollywood producer and did Battlestar Galactica in the 1970s.

1:14:42Guess who his father was? Admiral Leslie Stevens. And supposedly, he's the one who gave Gene Roddenberry through his son, the information to put into the Star Trek series. There's word that it was a Navy-sponsored vehicle. The Navy wanted in the early 60s to start getting some of these concepts out to a very simplistic public in the 1960s. It was barbaric times. Civil rights, it was grim. And so they were able to talk about all these issues and slavery, cosmic slavery, racism, you know, war, a lot of war and Star Trek, you know, Klingons and everything like that. And who are the Klingons? Who are the Romulans? Who are the Vulcans? You know, you know, I mean, there's all these concepts of logic and they had episodes where the computer took over the whole enterprise. That's AI failed. They were trying to warn us about a lot of stuff. I urge people to go back and

1:15:45and with this new knowledge that we're all talking about here, especially you guys, you go back and watch that with an eye that Jean Rodberry was the story is. He was a member of the he was privy to the council of nine ETs at the E Salon Institute in California. And, you know, William Tomkins writes, I don't know, Rico Boda who was in charge of the Douglas aircraft. He's in my new book. He's a character. You know, he and and Leslie Stevens definitely knew each other. Right. Oh, I think from my research, it's hard to find anything on Boda. My father and I did two-four year requests. The Navy gave us one page, you know, height weight serial number, commander of San Diego Naval Air Station. It's on a mile. Well, most of that information comes from William Tomkins about. Right. It all starts to piece together if you do your homework. But a lot of people read a few books and watch a few videos and freak out and say, well, this can't be true.

1:16:46Right. I don't blame them, but it's like, it takes a lot of study. And then we have to consider the disinfo agents that are sent in to money to waters. Also that. And I actually have a list of like the different levels of disinfo agents that I just think is really interesting to consider. They have agents of influence, the confusion agents, contract agents, deep cover agents, disinfo agents, notional agents, provocation agents, and spoon feeder agents. And like, okay, right. And each one is a description that I could go through. If you want to, but each one has a description on how they operate and what their strategies are. And a lot of them, I see being used within the disclosure of truth movement. Right. And I'd like to think I have a pretty good level of discernment, you know, I'm 60 years old. So I've been around in my opinion for whatever it's worth. The people that concern me the most in the whole disclosure arena is not

1:17:51Chris Mellon, Luis Elzando and Gary Nolan and Travis Taylor and, you know, all those guys. It's the guys, men and women who are in the middle. Now I'm going to give you an example. Jeremy Corbell is a big fan of Bob Lazar. I am too. I know people that knew, you know, they say, Lazar was legit. You know, people that I trust here, you know, people not on the internet, military folks. But then Jeremy Corbell goes off the reservation and starts talking about softball things. And she was, I'm going to go on ancient aliens on the history channel, which is all bullshit. You know, ancient aliens is some disclosure. And then they say the top of a pyramid turns into a UFO made out of solid gold and zooms up into space. That's stupid. You know, and so they're telling you some truth, I think. And then they muck it all up. I tell you ridiculous things. What if I would get an ancient astronauts think this? And so Jeremy Corbell, I think, is a very dangerous person.

1:18:55Maybe he's just an idiot. But I wonder because I think he's been trained to say, oh, you know, Bob Lazar is okay. He's just talking about this. But then everything else, he demonizes. And it's subtle. Right. It's very subtle. He's sort of this mid-level guy, but he gets a lot of public explode exposure. That's dangerous to me. That's a guy who, well, I think maybe don't run. But I think he's the kind of guy where they tapped him on the shoulder and said, do this for us or else, or hear some money. Either or both. Pretty strong. That's exactly the vibe. And he talks about Lazar. Like, yeah, Bob Lazar is great. And then everyone's like, all right. And then he goes up, talks about, you know, how great Chris Millen and all these other guys are. Right. It's like holy shit. Right. Saying some good stuff. And then he's saying some a lot of tainted stuff. That's counterintelligence, one, oh, one. Well, yeah, that's how they operate. Exactly. And another example

1:19:57is Ross Coltard. And, you know, they're suddenly they're an expert. But I'm, you know, I'm disappointed in Richard Dolan. And I'm disappointed in Linda Moltenham for reaching across the aisle and doing a softball interview with Chris Millen. Right. What the hell? That's not going to further anything right there. A lot of it becomes entertainment, the storytelling, you know, and the first one on that list, agent of influence, it says somebody who may be under mind control or ideologically motivated to use their positions of influence to mind control others. So we have to think about the mind control aspect of all this. And people in these positions might be under mind control. And we know this is possible. This is no secret. Yeah. They may not be aware of what they're doing. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. Why some people are more susceptible to MK ultra mind control techniques, mostly electronic now. Why some are and other people, you know,

1:20:57I would hope that the three of us are not, you know, we're talking about, you know, we're talking smack and we're not holding back. And others don't. I don't understand that part. Maybe some of the SSP folks can clarify how that works. Right. Maybe you have to be a little soft in the head to begin with like Tom DeLong. I'm sorry. Great musician or even a free maize and whatever. You know, I have friends who are free maize and they're like, that guy's full shit. Well, and then these guys, real guys, and they're like, you know, that guy's, you know, he's a bobo. Yeah, the definition of a puppet being used or what they call useful idiots. It's a good idea. Well, somebody in his position, like think about, like they take advantage of your ego too. And like, hey, what if we make you the next UFO guy, two to stars Academy, listen, how does this sound? Two to stars Academy. You get, you get access to top secret classified information. You get to go on Joe Rogan's podcast, you should tell the world what happens with UFOs.

1:22:02Like they presented to them. He was given information that's been floating around for 30 years. Alex Collier has been talking about that stuff and others, Greer, and you name it. So what a time to long do? He just regurgitated shit. You know, his intention was good. By all accounts, he's a nice guy. I think they manipulated him out the yinye. Oh, yeah. You know, and then he's like playing KG and he goes on Joe Rogan. That's a softball host, you know, nap Jordan Rogan, others. He's softball hosts and just gets it's there in his beanie and his hipster outfit and go, yeah, man, it's called cool. That's not cool at all. It's frightening and horrifying. Right. Right. Right. I'm the long Jeremy Corbell. You know, there's a million of them. You know, and they cater to the to most of the folks who are very, very starting to get very concerned about this whole UFO issue, ET issue. And they're starting to get scared. And they're

1:23:05reinforcing their pink, you know, fluffy cloud of, you know, that false floor of reality. They're helping them, you know, pound new boards. I don't worry. Everything's good. Great. Right. Right. Right. Well, I've seen it all my life. It's so obvious. I got all these philosophers and psychologists. I'm doing an interview with a bunch of Jungians. And they all believe that, my grandfather, a new Carl Jung and his concept of the collective unconscious. And I think they're going to have me on and they're going to say, is it all in everyone's mind? Don't we just co-create our reality? How do you explain that? Yes, part of that's true. We do co-create our reality because that makes sense to me. But come on. It's not an all, every when a lot of billions of people is not on our heads. But they're, see what they're doing. They're, they're protecting. Right. This is why my new book is called Sanity was a luxury. That's a quote from Ernst Schaeffer of the Ananerbe SS, the archaeologist. And there have this heated discussion about all the German

1:24:11technology and how it's going off the rails. This is allot my allied characters and the Germans. They're like, we're really concerned. And they're like, this is insane. He's like Sanity is a luxury. And we can't afford it right now. Right. Because everything has gone insane. So the problem with those concepts trying to, to hide behind a philosopher or a psychologist, you know, young was CIA. He was OSS. And then, you know, once CIA always CIA. And they're, they're going to the, you know, a guy who wrote a book about flying saucers. I've read it. It's mostly disinformation. Don't worry, folks. And it's all in your mind. Yeah, they might be real, but you know, they're far away. Don't worry. It's all in your mind. That's dangerous. Yeah. And there's a lot of this people being chicken shit. I'm sorry. They're just cowards telling you what to think about it, rather than presenting information, information, letting you decide. Yeah. Well, they can't, they can't, they don't have much of an argument now that the, you know, the government's coming out saying, oh, they're just

1:25:11strange. There's, you know, they can't, they're, they're finding less, it's like having a mountain climb or having a purge. You know, these purge, all these purchase are going away. They're going up and ice frozen waterfall. And they're running out of, you know, ice axes and things to cement their, their pathetic third-dimensional 20th century reality, which is what we're going, folks. Right. Right. And you know, you know, that, you know, another thing I see is we have all of a sudden these exoluminati people coming out doing interviews saying that, oh, it's all virtual reality. These people are just remembering virtual reality. Oh, SSP is all memory implants in virtual reality, which is a little bit of the truth. Right. Some of it a little bit surrounded by a bodyguard of lies. That's when Churchill said, oh, my God, the truth has to be protected with a huge bodyguard of lies. And so that's, that's the way that's an intel tactic. Chris Melon goes out there and goes, oh, it's a mystery. And, you know, some of them might be

1:26:11alien, a little bit of truth. It's not a mystery, but the, you know, the alien part. And then he goes, yeah, I don't worry. It's probably the Chinese, the Russians. So they, they kind of tantalize you with a little bit of, they think they're going to say something true. And then they fall back on their bullshit narrative. Yeah. You know, like a big, fluffy mattress. Here's a blankie. Right. Right. Exactly. We're American people. Here's a cashmere blanket. Right. Fuzzy. Nothing to see here moving along. Yeah. Have a rough drink. You know, have a teaky room. All right. The bullshit narrative. That's probably the name of this episode. That's it. That's really good. I don't blame people. I really, I mean, I could sound harsh sometimes, but you know, all these people, my friends and family, you know, that I loved yearly. But, you know, we all got to start to grow up. I mean, all of us. Yeah. Now, we're never going to stop learning. Well, they hope, they hope that we get so confused and lose hope. So we, and we just throw in the towel and go back to working our 40 hour job and

1:27:14forget about it. That's what they want. And that's why the IQ is what you said it was 80 at 85 or whatever. I saw that, you know, people can argue that all day long. But you can, you see those, you see those people go around and ask random people basic questions about history about the presidents and most people like they can't answer. A lot of people can't. They don't know, you know, who the first president was. It's like the millennial generation. So it's like, okay, there's that's done by design. The distractions are put in place. So, you know, the rules movie games, VR goggles, the games, boy, those are dangerous. You know, I see my step grant, I have a step grandson, you know, he's diddling away on these games. I mean, there's no way to get him off that. So it's designed to be addictive. And then the movies and the TV shows, yeah, TikTok, you know, it's weird because like on Netflix, dark is talking to you about time travel. And they're alluding to Brookhaven labs in Long Island,

1:28:19what is said in Germany at this fake atomic plant. But they're giving you some truth. But boy, they made it so complicated and slow and German. I mean, some of my friends ask me, what the hell's dark really about? And I said, you wouldn't believe it if I told you, you know, and then they're like, what? You know, they tell us bits of truth, but it is so convoluted. There are very few shows that really hit the nail in the head. If any, when I'm surprised Graham Hancock show got on Netflix. Me too. We were just talking, I am shocked that was allowed. But that, I don't know to me, that gives me like, maybe there's some, some kind of like shift, good infiltration. Like there's something happening here. A little bit of hope. Yeah. Right, right. And then this, this the gift show, yeah, there's a, it was filmed in Istanbul. It's called The Gift. And it's about go back, go back, go back, go back, go back and do it. And it talks about parallel

1:29:23dimensions. And they always profound universal messages that I'd never expected to, you know, stuff we talk about on here on our show that's on Netflix now. I'm like, how did this slip through the cracks unless it was allowed? Because it was very high brow. It's not that easy to understand. It's subtitled from Turkish. Right. Only us UFO nerds and new age geeks and metaphysical mystic types are going to be really, really into that. Right. The most part. And your average Joe or Jane six pack, I don't know about the world, but the America, they're not going to watch that. Right. What's this? Current turn on sports and football. Right. I don't say that to be mean. It's just, it's the true part. Yeah. There's some really smart people I know. And then like, football is on the, it's like, woo. Right. It's like a power down. Exactly. Sports powered in. Exactly. And then like, I go to family gatherings and stuff. And people

1:30:26can't help. It is a literal simulation when people are talking about their weather and sports. And what their favorite Netflix is is in politics. Oh boy, they love politics. America. Right. It's a, it's a contact sport. It's another sport. Right. Right. Nonsense. And, you know, and this brings up another point I wanted to mention. I'm not going to mention the person who said this, but somebody in the SSP realm got up on stage in front of a group of large group of people and said, you know, folks, all you got to do is go to the polls and vote for the right people. And we can have change. And I stood there listening to this. And my jaw just hit the floor and shattered. Right. Yeah. Let me tell you folks, I've been around the US government all my life. You're only going to vote for another moron in charge. I just told you about the congressman who had, you know, gee, with UAPs. And they shut him down. If he keeps probing, they'll get rid of them. He's a congressman in two years.

1:31:30Oh, he mysteriously didn't win his next election. That's how it works. You're not going to vote anyone in politics, the US government, anything. You're never going to get any disclosure or change or progressivism from those people. The military are designed to defend this country, you know, and for many threats from outer space. And that's it. They're not in a position to disclose anything. That's for the US government. See the runaround? Right. US government creates the task force. And so it just goes ranaround around around. You're not going to get anything. It has to come from the people. Right. And I thought that was very, very irresponsible to say that. And this is going to be in the secret space program, but you know, a veteran. And I'm like, how can you be a veteran of what's going on out in space and say that? That's right. You're to I'll just say their name. I'll just say the name

1:32:30because I don't care. Randy Kramer. Yeah. I like Randy. I like Randy. I think he has great stories to tell. You know, I appreciate it. But my God. Right. That was, I mean, he's and then then a lot of him and a lot of other people go, well, my commanding officer won't let me talk about that. There's still something. Let me get something straight. I'm here with my face. A lot of people come on, you know, interviews and they just have a blank. They don't want to show their face. What you think technology is not going to figure out your voice. They've got technology that can do anything. So, you know, getting up there and saying, well, I'm not allowed to talk with that. Ha, ha, ha. That's not funny. Right. You know, why don't you have the balls to come on, show your face and talk about everything. Right. No, I can't stand this. Well, I can talk about this, but not that. Right. Ha, ha. You, you kids aren't worthy of my. Well, apparently, it's too high level. Well, they say it's because of NDAs, but please, they're talking about the secret space program.

1:33:37And you would about your NDA. It doesn't make any sense. Right. Well, so that ruined credibility to me. That's a great example of compartmentalization too, because he's only being told certain things. And he thinks everything he's being told is the truth. And oh, if that was true, I would know about it. It's like that whole kind of thing. Right. It's like, well, no, because it's compartmentalized, you're being told what they want you to know, because that serves in that compartment. And then you're talking about a secret space program and fighting in space for corporations and everyone else. But I can't talk about this because my commanding officer said, no, no, right. That's no sense to me. That's the joke. Well, and there's a key, the key word, key words, commanding officer. These people still have superiors that they answer to. And tell them to tell their superiors to go jump on in a lake. Ridiculous. We're talking about the survival of the human race. Right. Yeah. You're worried about

1:34:38us, what some, you know, jarhead commanding officers telling you, you're worried about the wrong things. Right. You know, you know, I'm not an SS man. I don't have memories. I don't have any of that stuff. But I've had my experiences. And I don't hold back because, you know, some senator called me up one night and said, don't talk about that. I don't do that. I'd never work for the government and it never works for the military. Right. But even if you did, you know, this ship has sailed folks. This, oh, I can't talk about this one thing. Why the hell not? You're talking about everything else, mother ships and, you know, it drags some ins and corporate, you know, and I provide ice cream for the secret space program out there. You know, it's organic. Not all that shit. And you can't talk about this, you know, the aquatic peoples union for, you know, freedom of the oceans. And what the hell is those top secret about that? Right. Right. I'm going to vent, you know, it, it, it, it needs to be said.

1:35:38Right. Yes. Thank you. And, and here's what I think. Like most of the people, the masses don't believe in this stuff anyway. So like, what's the difference if you share one bit of information next to the other, that they already don't believe. Right. Oh, I can't talk about the frog people that way. That's too much. She's insane. It's insane. You know, it's just, you know, I understand people are manipulated and messed with and alternate personalities and, you know, God name, psychotronic controls. And this guy's a limit. I understand all that. But it's, it's so strange to me when people come up and talk about this, but no way I'm going to talk about the ice cream stuff. No way. Why not? Right. Some corporations doesn't want you to talk about that. Who cares? Well, some people maybe they were threatened. It's all circumstantial. We don't know. So we can't throw everybody under the same blanket, but I do understand what you're saying. It's just strange to me. Oh, I can talk about this, but hell knows. Right. Right. Right.

1:36:45And a lot of that, those people are in those positions because they've been manipulated via their ego. And by saying that they can't say something that they're privy to that boost their ego. Love that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've never said that. I've never, no one's ever told me to withhold this. Now, I've gotten some general warnings from people I respect. But, you know, I'm like, well, we're at the eleventh hour. We really are. I mean, there's the countdown clock, you know, one minute to midnight. We're at the one minute mark, human race. Yeah. By all accounts, everyone's watching us. What are they going to do? Are they going to really, you know, are they going to, you know, haul this ball over the goal line or not? And everyone's like, oh, I can't tell you my real name. I can't do this in that. It's like, do you realize what's at stake? Right. Because in 20 years, when I'm 80, if we don't move this ball over the goal line in a meaningful

1:37:47way, I mean, the people, everyone around the earth, then we're, then we're going to succumb to a lot of us dying, a lot of us being chipped by Elon Musk and put in a cubicle with a computer and everything else will be built by robots. And I mean, that's where we're headed to pull on, pull on flavor. I mean, it's, and it's faster than people think. Right. Well, it, because it happens on Musk is, is if a demigod, it happens before your eyes and you don't see it until it's too late. And that's what every, that's how it all happens. If you know this, like next thing you know, there's charging stations and electric cars and all the stuff. How did, when did it happen? Like, it just all of a sudden there, the totalitarian tip toe. Right. Like puts it. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. I'm all four electric cars. But let them, let them charge themselves while they drive because that's, that's so easy to do. And you can easily charge the better, keep it better. You, you hook something up to your axle and it can charge the battery while you drive. You don't even

1:38:49need a charging station. Like there's things like that that they still, they still keep you under their power under their control by making you to go plug in your car. Yeah. I mean, they're going to need zero point or, you know, some type of fusion to, to meet the energy demands in 10 or 15 years in America. And now what, there's all these things in England, they announced a small town is going to a small paper. But they said, oh, we've got fusion up and running. It works. We're going to have it nailed within 10 years. And in America too, they're like, oh, navy and everything. We have breakthrough and fusion. Well, you know, they've been using it for 50 years or more. Right. You know, all you need is a strong magnetic field to contain it. Well, technology is really, and, you know, it's torsion tensor physics. You know, it's, they're starting to let out bits of the truth. But everything across the board of people are, you know, talking in all this, for me personally, as I research this and given all the history,

1:39:51it's a case of every time it's a case of too little too late. Right. We all, the allies almost lost World War II because it was a case of too little too late. And with the Germans, they almost had their technology in mature, but it was too little too late. It's getting scary. I mean, that war could have ended everything. Are you familiar with the Boeing B-21 Raider that was unveiled December 22nd? It's like the new Stealth Fighter bomber. But they say it's nuclear capable. What does that mean? And, you know, in the article, it says nuclear capable or conventional. So they're telling you subtly like, hey, sort of, yeah, the Navy's cagey. They let out some patents and things here and there. Here's how to build a black triangle. Now everyone says you could, from the patent, you can see how it works. That's sort of, they let out just enough information to wet your

1:40:51appetite, but not the big stuff. Right. Right. And then now Boeing is partnering with NASA. And they're creating the new next-gen aircraft, the commercial airliners. I don't know if you saw that. But yeah, that's going to be problematic. They're trying to get us off oil and coal eventually in the 25-30 years. The Navy, the aircraft, if they say it's nuclear, conventional, that probably, it's like a TR-3 black triangle. The early ones had hydrogen type thruster system. So that's conventional. But then it had a plasma ring with a plasma accelerator on it, doing a zero point to high voltage. And then three nodes are using torsion fields, monotomic gold and silver plasma and quartz crystals. That's to them, that's nuclear. They can call that nuclear. Is it technically nuclear? It depends who you talk to in the nuclear physics arena.

1:41:56So they get away with saying, this aircraft is conventional and there's a nuclear component. And what is that code for? And that means anti-gravitics or anti-gravity. You know, what they do is they just take off with conventional ramjet or turbines. And then they switch to electro-gravitics like the B2 bomber in low-Earth orbit. Right. Right. And there's probably moon and Mars capable of it has a plasma ring like a TR-3B. I think that that even some of our conventional aircraft are retrofitted. Like I'm talking about like commercial airliners even possibly being retrofitted with this technology as well. And I had a very vivid dream one night where I was co-pilot of this airliner. And we had to make an emergency landing and the pilot flipped on the anti-gravitics, let's say the nuclear capable technology. And we just descended. And I was like, I knew that was retrofitted in these planes. I was like, oh yeah, they all have it.

1:42:57And they don't allow the users under emergency orders. That was a dream. But I think something like that, you know, I think that happens. Well, they could. How do we get that to work? I mean, they just use conventional jet engines and then in flight they could switch over and reduce throttle. It'll probably save a lot of fuel. And then in emergency, you could just glide to the ground very subtly in land. The problem with that is you give that to Lufthansa or United Airlines. They're going to wonder how the black box works. In other words, I was talking to my friend, John Majorowski, he has a channel. And he said that, you know, I lost, I lost my train of thought, but, but, oh, the satellites. And so when you order a satellite, a company orders a satellite, the satellite comes, but the black box comes from another corporation. It's power

1:43:58source. And they say, what's in the black box? It's going to power it for 25, 30 years. And they're like, that's classified. Yeah, put it in, launch it. You're done. No more questions. And so they've been, you know, the Apollo 11 command module, some theorize that it had a black box in there to protect the command module and the LEM from micromedia rights, gamma radiation, and the Van Allen belt. So they have to have this electromagnetic bubble. Remember in NASA, Kurt Deibous was number two under Vombron, he was a high voltage electrical plasma specialist. Right. What does that have to do with rockets? Right. Well, everything if you understand the electric universe. Yeah. So they add a black box going to the moon. A lot of people say, we didn't go to the moon. I don't care. Honestly, we did or not. We probably went once twice. And then Apollo went dark and classified. And all that jazz. But, you know, we've had these black boxes and other things, solid state,

1:45:00you know, zero point. You know, they have the clear plastic brick, which I talk about in some funny stories. And, you know, it can power a whole building or even a series of buildings from a solid state. It's clear. Looks like, you know, Lexan or something. That's really high tech stuff. We probably have back engineered that now. So hence the black boxes that can power our satellite for 50 years. Now satellites go obsolete way before that time. But they just either they go up and retrieve the black box and then they send it into low earth orbit to burn up. You know, it's not hard. We've got a lot of gear in space. We've got space tations. We've got, you know, service vans coming around going on. This satellite's going down. They take the good technology out of it and save it for something else because it never goes bad. Right. You know, it's interesting too. You said like, you said that, you know, some of these aircraft will take off with conventional methods and they'll switch over. James Kasbal talked about an old interview. I don't know if you're familiar

1:46:04with him or yeah, he talked about how he was sent to Mars. He was a regular typical conventional rocket launch from from Peru. He said he had to be trained to be an astronaut. They shot him up into space. And once they were up there, they boarded a free energy craft and then took that to Mars. And it's all part to maintain the, you know, right? That was the old days. As the old days. Exactly. Oh, now they, you know, now it's like, you come with us. You know, I had a dream. I went to the moon base one night. I was like, oh, that was lucid. And I was high as a kite. And I was doctors were examining me and I was looking out these black windows where I want to see the moon and space in the earth. They're like, don't worry about it. It's out there, but you can't see through the windows. That was weird. You know, everyone's had all these weird dreams. It's very possible that most of us have been out in space. Our consciousness has been out there. They borrowed it for a while. Oh, fix the toilet, Mr. Warner. Okay.

1:47:07You know, on the moon base. And it's not very fun. And then they put me. So we all might have been doing this that or the other. I had another dream. I was in the Air Force, you know, with the 1960s uniform on with a typewriter. You're a writer. Type these reports up. And I had stacks of reports. No, this sucks. I mean, on the moon or Mars would be more fun. No, you don't get to do the fun stuff. Type these up and shut up. So I wonder about all that. I woke up and I told my wife, I was like, wow, I was a typist. Yeah, really boring work. But they need they need personnel to do. I wonder if everyone is taking it one point. They need who was it? Mary Beaver said they need accountants. They need everybody. Right. So thank you so much for joining us today. Man, this has just been a lot of fun. We covered everything. I really appreciate you sharing your time with us. And do you want to let people know how they can find you and where they can find your

1:48:09books? Yeah, you can link my website on below the interview. That's the easiest way. And I had the link for the letter I wrote. Can you name it? Can you just say your website out loud for the audio listeners? It's John W. Warner, the fourth author dot com. Right. And then if they want, they can follow you on Twitter also. Yeah. Yeah, I post some crazy stuff on Twitter. I don't I don't expect any kind of miracles on there. I'll probably at some point just shut it down. Just leave it. Right. It's just it's designed to extract information and not really be any kind of meaningful. Sure. Sure. A little bit, you know, a few people. They're interesting. Yeah. Well, thanks for joining us. This was a lot of fun. Yeah. Thank you guys for tuning in. We love you all. Don't forget if you want to come hang out, grab a ticket. The link is below journey to truthcon.com. Maybe there'll be some intelligence agencies there.

1:49:11Maybe not. Sure they want or two. Right. We have charged. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Anyway, we hope to see you there. And if you can't make it, live stream tickets are available for $99. So take advantage of that. We love you all. Have a great evening. And until next time. Good night. Good night. Thanks. There was a CIA director named William Colby, who in the 1980s said, we'll know our disinformation campaigns are successful when everything the American people believe is fake. When we realize how powerful we are when we set our intentions and we realize that we aren't just this. We are just these multi-dimensional light beings. And time is an illusion. And you know, it's everything to perception. And you can go forward and backwards and embody it and just pop out and go and do

1:50:12this work. You can do amazing things when we set the right intentions to do it. And I said, this is this is us on this plane. You know, like that's what this is. We're going to the moon. And say, this thing is a lot older. Do you think it is? We've been going to the moon a long time. But I wrote on it. I knew that we went to the moon. And so I always knew there was a base on the moon from a young age. And our DNA is a complex recording system of the history of the entire universe, the history, you know, of everything that not just this timeline that we know, but multiple timelines of reality. There are a total of nine different categories of planets in the universe. We people on earth, we are living on category one planet, like elementary school students. And the students, they are living on category nine planet, like college professors. So they have been really guiding us throughout history. Tell them, let us know that this facility under the Sandy Mountain is considered an information station for interstellar travelers coming to the planet.

1:51:19They tell us that their facility was retrofitted into the ancient tunnel system that already existed. And as far as the bending of space time continuum, I've had something like that happen. And what seemed like about a five minute encounter has been four and a half hours of missing time. And I was completely conscious. And what are you doing with the type three, type four, type five civilizations that can work with the different coexisting timelines? All bets are off, man. You know, every time we have big-foot activity out there, we're having ETs and orbs and stuff like that. We have a lot of the stuff documented. As a matter of fact, I'm a member of three different teams. And I work with people from all over the country out in the field. And we actually have documented a portal, something that we consider to be a portal, opening and we sent two of our team members inside of it and disappeared and then came back out. I would suggest that we take

1:52:22it one step further and say humanity has never known who we are. We've always been in the thought control matrix. And one step further, perhaps we could say that we're in a consciously controlled state of hypnosis. In other words, are the thought control matrix creators constantly bombarding this with frequencies that keep us from being telepathic, that keep us from remembering who we are? And the thought control matrix was set up and we have never known our potential, our power, our beauty, our incredible connection. It makes no sense at all. There is no reason for it other than the programming that we've received for generations because it's all about order. It's all about listen to your elders, listen to the teachers, listen to the adults, listen, listen, listen. And what that does is it dims the light of the child and it makes them feel like they don't have a voice. And why that's designed that way by the dark side and that's in the system is so that they grow up and they just listen to and they do what they're told and they're good

1:53:25little boys and good little girls and they lose their sense of self. They lose their north, they're true north. So many adults are walking around in this world. They don't know who they are. So the planet itself is now beginning to split. It's beginning to divide again into a higher vibrational earth and a lower vibrational earth. And the race of man is dividing with it. And we're becoming less and less aware of one another. And over time what will happen and how long this will be? One world will have all higher vibrational beings on it and the other one will all be third dimensional beings and we will not perceive each other anymore.