EP 229 - John W. Warner IV - Disclosure Agendas & Secret Space Programs - UFO Disclosure Or Cover Up?

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2:55¿Quién es que la SS puede transferir de la cría de la jefe? ¿Pero que es como la SS? La SS es más el mundo de la CIA. A ver si lo es de ninguna…! O lo que es que la Dirección y yo no sé exacto lo que necesito mucho, obviamente este es un caso de running around y obfuscación y, no me imagino calling the Pentagon as a concerned citizen, oh, I saw a UFO, and you know, a alien was rummaging through my fridge, you know, and they're like, oh, you need to call the arrow, you know, all the way in, oh, no, you need to call the UAP task force, no, no, you know, there's five guys smoking, drinking beer and coffee, no much or anything except answering a phone, saying, well, we'll put you on to the, you know, UAITPZW, right? I mean, they just, they just, they just rebranded

4:01basically, right? Like how they said, MK Ultra ended in the 70s, they were, oh, yeah, oh, it just lasted like five years and now it's project psychedelic mushroom, you know, I didn't keep continuing on just under a different name or secretly at all, right? Well, let me do a brief little intro here and then we'll just jump into this and now we'll have some fun. So, welcome back guys. Don't forget to grab a ticket to our conference and graphed in Illinois, May 22nd through to 25th. It's going to be a lot of fun journey to truth, con.com. You can get those tickets below $344 for the four day pass. Meal plan is 250 optional. If you want that and a live stream ticket is $99 that does include a replay for six months. Come hang out with us is going to be a lot of fun. We're really looking forward to seeing you guys out there on site lodging is sold out, but there's camping on site available nearby hotels and Airbnb. So we look forward to that. Tonight we are joined by John Warner, the fourth. Welcome back to the show, John. We had you on about a year

5:04two years ago, one year ago, about one year ago. And we got into a lot of stuff. You just recently wrote an open letter to the Elizondo Chris Melon Task Force and he kind of just laid it all out and said it like it is. So I really like to break down that letter and go through go through that and kind of let people know what's really going on with the disclosure right now. And because obviously I think it's just an extension of the cover up and you can get into some of that. But before that, if you want, maybe you can let our audience know who might not have seen the first episode, kind of who you are and how you get into this briefly. Oh, man, please go to dark journalist and watch my four episodes that'll explain everything. But basically my grand I'll start with my grandfather. You know, I'm from the Melon Banking family. Paul Melon, my grandfather was an OSS Army officer in World War II. He worked with Alan Delas on project paperclip and he worked with under General Patton.

6:06And my father was Secretary of the Navy and a US Senator for 30 years. And I grew up traveling the world with my father carrying his briefcase and sat in on some interesting meetings with the Navy and and other branches and got to know a lot of politicians and presidents and queens and metaphor a lot royalty and a lot of nefarious people as well. And right around 1993 or four, I showed the majestic 12 files to my father. I was sort of a UFO enthusiast at the time, but not really active doing much except maybe reading a book or two a year. But somebody sent those to me back when I was a racing driver. I was in California and I raced with this guy. And he's like, Hey, my father worked for Lucky Martin and some others. And I'm like, Oh, that's interesting. Aren't they building UFOs? I don't know where I got that. But I saw it somewhere and he said, Yeah, my father's involved.

7:09Let me send you some documents and those were the majestic 12 files. And they were fairly new back in 93 and I was 31 years old. So I was pretty naive and I looked at them and I said, Oh, I'm going to show them to dad and my friend said, you should. Because he's on a chairman in the Armed Services Committee. He sat on the select intel committee. And boy, he and I went back and forth and he cracked on them eventually. So that's a brief summary of where I got into this. I got to know Stephen Greer, you know, 20 years ago and some other people. He had mentioned my father and a few one of his podcasts or two, you know, because he's a Virginia as well. So I kind of fell into all this, I'm a historian and a writer. And I just, I'm a World War II historian, but I understand all of history. And it started to make more and more sense to me, low and behold. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And if you guys missed the first episode, I highly recommend checking that out.

8:09If you want a little more background on what he was involved in and what he saw growing up. But as far as your open letter that you wrote, let's just jump right in head first. And this kind of, I have a question. Sure. So for your, your conference in May, is it May? Yes. So to CIA and NSA and National Reconnaissance Office people, do they get a discount? They have to pay more, a lot more. No, they're showing up. They showed up last year. And we actually, potentially, they were at least from a podcast, if not also. Well, that, but I think, I think they were low level agents. This is what I personally think it's, it's, they were things they indicated very. They interviewed me and, and in the interview at the conference, they interviewed me and they asked me, do, um, feds ever show up at these type of events? Do you guys ever play the game spot the fed?

9:10What do you do if you see somebody here's like infiltrating like they had, they were asking me all these weird questions. And I was just like, okay, I see what's going on here. But so they don't need to work for them. No, they don't need to, they don't need a discount. They just kind of sneak it. Well, how they got in the first place is they, they posed as a media company that was interested in filming like a documentary. And we just believed them. We didn't do enough vetting. And we were just like, oh, cool. You know, and we let them, and as a media, there's two guys. And then they were just acting so weird. And we were just getting these off vibes the whole time. And we're like, something's not right with these guys. And they were asking these weird questions constantly. And then he, like what he just said, um, and then lo and behold, we find out they're, they're two guys from this, like anti conspiracy podcast called QAnon anonymous. And they, they did a whole episode on the, on our conference. Like a hit piece. I hit me like just bashing it and laughing at it. And right.

10:10But we kicked them out after a couple of days, that means you're over the target. You're getting flat. Right. Right. Right. Um, right. But, but, but we kicked them out like halfway through because they were like filming right in people's faces and just acting. Well, just getting a number of complaints about them. Yeah. Everyone's complaining. But they look out that those type of agencies do show up at conferences. Yeah. It's interesting because some of my retired spook friends, you know, like, oh, and I, you know, they asked me, you know, said, are you going to this thing in the Midwest? And I said, last year, I said, no, um, but maybe the next one, um, so they knew about it. And these guys are retired and they don't, you know, they're not active like you and I are, uh, you guys, um, but they heard about it. Interesting. Interesting. So I found that interesting. I was like, how'd you hear about it? And I'm like, I don't know, you know, somebody told us and we've got probably, they said some of their, you know, people, uh, once Intel, always Intel, right?

11:10Yeah. No, it's, that's, that's good to know. And I, I suspected something like that would happen. This year is not strictly secret space program. So we're not drawing as much attention, I don't think, but regardless, um, but there's still a lot of, I mean, Tony's returning, yeah, still, and then there's still a lot of other info that is, you know, they don't really want people believing, you know, right? It's just so, um, well, John, help, help. This is a message from sponsor into it, TurboTax. You've sent so many emails to your tax pro and nothing. It feels like you're chasing updates, but now your taxes are done for you by a TurboTax expert. So you actually know what's happening. You can match with an expert and just hand off all your tax stuff to them right in the app. If you're not guessing, you can feel confident your TurboTax experts on it. Now this is taxes into it, TurboTax, visit TurboTax.com to learn more. Only available with TurboTax experts, real time updates, only an iOS mobile app. Paying a picture for us. What's going on right now with this disclosure, holy shit.

12:14Your guess is good as mine. You know, everyone, I, I tracked my cousin, Chris Mellon and I tracked Elizondo and I tracked Gary Nolan and all these people, you know, Chris Mellon was at the Barcelona conference. He talked to Linda Mottenhow about nothing really, not much. You know, I'm a big fan of Linda's, I, you know, I've been following her since my mother gave me her book and like when I was 18, you know, Alien Harvest, she's been around a long time. Yeah. I've heard from certain people that she was warned not to cover the human mutilations in her books, really, just the animal ones. So that's what I heard, you know, I don't know why, but why, you know, I understand, you know, a lot of the old guard, Richard Dolan and others, they're sort of the old guard. They've been around since the 90s and Linda of the 80s, early 80s. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So either go into this other side, I mean, I understand that what there needs to be

13:16some cooperation, but so far they've only done lies by omission and shell games and nothing burgers and, you know, they're not being other than bringing the topic alive for the last five years or six years, you know, since 2017, the Nimitz thing, you know, they've done precious little and it's all pot air and run around and they talk and they have softball hosts and people interview them and it's softball questions. I mean, come on, Gary Nolan and Tucker Carlson got up there and did an interview and they both giggled about the subject, UFO issue. I mean, that's just childish. They're five year olds. You know, and so why, you know, these senior people in the disclosure movement are crossing the aisle and shaking hands, what do they expect to get out of that? Or attention, you know, it's, it's the wrong move, you know, and they're never going to give an interview to someone who's hardball.

14:20Right. Right. I mean, can you mail up that? Greer or Daniel List or you guys or anybody out there, Carrie Cassidy, oh, shit, oh, they're not going to give an interview. They're not going to put themselves in that position. Crystal never mentioned me because that would be giving me validation, but he can't, I know he's rid of this letter. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let's get inside. On a part of a physics forum, I'm not a physicist, you know, a physicist, but I understand basic physics and try to understand non-linear physics, Heisenberg, Gerlach, Han, Plank, you know, these German guys that were doing non-linear stuff in the back of their day. But you know, I sent this out and I sent a link on Twitter and I sent it out, you know, for anyone who wants to read it. And if you guys want to put a link to it, it's fine, it links to my website. You know, I, I'm just going to, it's written for medium level to low level knowledge folks.

15:23I mean, these guys aren't out there. You know, Jack Sarfati and, you know, there's Eric Davis, there's Ron Pandolfi, there's CIA people, there's Elizondo, there's, you name it, they're all in this forum, whether they read a lot of it or just glance at it, I don't know, but I sent it out. And a few people liked it and, you know, it's, it's just, I kept it reasonable because if you start bending about, you know, knock off in and drag go reptilians and, you know, all this stuff, I mean, then you're just going to get thrown in the loony bin, there's the people in the loony bin and then there's everyone else arguing that it's not true. And this brings up a point, I'm sure people understand, but I'm going to reiterate it. And that is what you guys cover is the minority of the disclosure movement, the rest of the people and, you know, people like these scientists and everybody, they are grasping with all their strength, what's left of their old reality and that's hard wood floor that I always keep talking about.

16:24They're putting more planks, you know, they're publishing, you know, reinforce it because, you know, here I come with an axe and they don't like that at all. And I can gauge like Twitter's mostly useless, but there's a few people on there that are interesting. You know, and you can gauge interest, if you do something secret space program, you get like five likes, what you put. And then you post something softball that's just either funny or, you know, in agreement with the UAP task force agenda and it's like, oh, you know, and so you can gauge that. I mean, Twitter is not friendly towards the SSP narrative. I noticed that too. The kind of like surface level UFO nuts and bolts UFO communities. It's huge on Twitter. Joe, Joe. Joe, Joe. Joe, you know, right, right and, and everybody retweeted blue Alessando and, uh, Emilio and Smellen, and, you know, they had algorithms and bots and, and AI probably

17:25to do that. Right, right. There's one guy told me a long time ago. y el argumento que haremos con la persona, es eso de algoritmo o de botón. Correcto, ¿verdad? ¡Exacto! No hay un lado, no te puede palcar. ¡Exacto! Eso es muy true. ¡Exacto! Es cierto. Vいて algo. Yo estoy seguro de que la $858B de la defensaability fue parecida por Biden con la fecha de approved, que cambió bastante la protección, y que debía la migrística de los miliais, para comerla del slogano y Chris Melon, actualmente, ya sabes, chimedón en esto, y es decir, esto es argue, lo más grande que es, que el medio de media no se cogera. Y yo quiero dar las palabras para eso, porque en ese bill, también mandates, ahora, es finalmente oficial que todos los militares de personal tienen que ver. Y eso no era oficial hasta que Biden se asignó. Así que eso es interesante, ellos se han escondido. Sí, es un político político en el centro de los centros de Congreso

18:26que trabaja con el Pentagon, Everything they slip things into bills they pass a bill there's all kinds of stuff in there you got to go really dig it out it's hard to find sometimes my dad says there's stuff he used to say you know there were stuff in there you'll never find because it's not perv for the public it's the classified sections of bill one two six you know and and so at one hand Chris melons says and everyone else said you know these con idiot congressmen senators were all bought and paid for folks yeah dad told me that long ago corporations and big banks banking families of mine they own politicians they do oh yeah you know my dad had a lot of help getting elected there's no no secret so you know from my my mother's side the family so you know it's you're not gonna get to see the good parts of certain bills um and the other thing is you know it's this bill that passed I think they slipped in there yes there's whistleblower protection I'd like to read the fine print on that yeah and good luck

19:33finding it but I'd like to get a copy of it and then they I think they slipped in so maybe slipped in some legislation or they're preparing to is to crack down on civilian researchers and make it a crime now that's fascist make what make what a crime exactly civilian UFO research how do you how do you police that well that's a good question you really can't but my guess is they're trying to get rid of people like grier and smokers that have come forward with with a lot of stuff and you know they're trying to moving forward they want to own the narrative right it's all about controlling the narrative right so back in the 70s and 60s when I was growing up the project blue book people and others on Capitol Hill they they they cobbled together a program like project blue book that gives the idea that they're they're looking into these UFO

20:36sightings and cases and abductions and everything but they're really they're going around the people threatening people covering it up paying them off they're covering it happen this is just an huge expansion of that idea but they're getting Congress more involved because more and more people are seeing things in the sky and you know they hear about abductions and people are getting scared and you know I've had certain people around town you know what do you make of this and like well you don't want to know from me because it looks pretty dark on a lot of areas and they're like you know oh no oh no I thought aliens were friendly and I said well most of them are probably but not all and the ones that are working with the Pentagon and the corporations they're definitely not the nice ones yeah to my knowledge maybe there are some now whatever whatever impetus is pushing this UAP task force and Chris Melon and everybody all those people Travis Taylor Ross cool-tard you know all of a sudden he's a UFO expert yeah you know why it's been on 60 minutes

21:40and he's a journalist well he doesn't know that shit where was he 30 years ago nowhere right but these are approved people Tom DeLong is an expert yeah like come on what's his name Chris Jerotano oh yeah so he produced a few documentaries including the Montaugh Chronicles but he I was talking with him privately one time and he told me that they wanted him to do a UFO program and they said hey you want to do this show and play a UFO expert and he was like but I'm not a UFO expert like it doesn't matter like and but this was the like travel channel or something like that and they just they don't care they just appoint people who would be a good fit for that role right right it's like any corporation they need to hire somebody to make the board look good right but they don't know anything about the corporation of the company but hey we have the scientist Travis Taylor you know he's had history channel exposure he's fairly well-known

22:42you know I like Travis Taylor I think he's funny and he's down to earth nuts and bolts like me but man either he's very naive about what he's getting into or they're just paying him enough money that he doesn't care right right well and you know what what's happening is they're trying to erase the UFO history that we do have that we do know by giving us these nothing burgers and these reports that kind of lead you nowhere so they can like you said maintain control that narrative and then when we do get old information released like some of the JFK information how he was in talks with MJ12 and how he was briefed on the UFO program and the CIA was involved in his killing him and his assassination that no one blinks no one bats an eye like it seems like it just gets swept under the rug and we just keep going on because the Pentagon and Congress and the UAP task force people they know who their audience is and it's not us no it's a general public and sadly the general public is ignorant and uninterested right and they have more pressing worries

23:53in life work job money family you know issues health then to deal with the UFO issue which is just most people think is still still a joke except and realize is the technology involved in all this stuff is being hit like we have it and it's being hidden from us because it would destroy the gas coal oil and the money system that we have it's all the bullshit systems we have that's keeping us enslaved it would completely make those obsolete so they can't ever let they're like oh we can never right let this get out and let people believe that you know understand that we are hiding this that we do have this is the last thing they want so like the threat like we can talk about this all day and they don't care but is the second too many people start paying attention and and be like wait a second there's something here that's the threat is it's all psychological it's all mental they don't want people believing they want people at most thinking oh yeah there's

24:55stuff going on in the skies but we don't know what they are or most of us just ours but it's secret military and whatever like but they'll keep it at that surface level keep it at arms length keep it keep the questions going they don't have to work they don't have to work very hard no they really don't Chris melon just has to do one thing a month and then he's back on his yacht and he's at the rolling rock club and having a martini you know it's like I don't I don't hate I still he's a wonderful family he's a nice guy you know I'd go up there and have a martini with him and chitchat about yachts but you know the last time I saw him at our family reunion you know I brought up the UFO issue and he was furious he said you do not talk chop chop in a family reunion right yeah next time I go I'm gonna roll up there in a patent tank with horns and you know huge banners but you know it's like most people think you know these elite committee of 300 families

26:03whatever you want to call them in America they think oh they're all in on it it's a 10% 5% 10% of those families your company and you're talking about a couple thousand people maybe at most who works like Chris melon in the deep state and military intelligence who know a thing or two you know at whatever level they're at you know clearances are many region you know oh you don't have you know cosmic aid plus you know clearance you don't know shit yeah you know that UFOs were back engineering shit but that's it right that's that's it that's it so yeah trust me if these families knew the truth and the ones that do probably are hiding and very scared I know I have a cousin she understands some of this stuff but boy she's just like man my life is complicated enough and you know well there's blackmail involved too and a lot yeah here's all kinds of right so what do your thoughts on the CIA's involvement in this cover up and with the

27:08SSP be this is a message from sponsor into it turbo tax you've sent so many emails to your tax pro and nothing it feels like you're chasing updates but now your taxes are done for you by a turbo tax expert so you actually know what's happening you can match with an expert and just hand off all your tax stuff to them right in the app so instead of guessing you can feel confident your turbo tax experts on it now this is taxes into it turbo tax visit turbo tax calm to learn more only available with turbo tax experts real time updates only in iOS mobile app I think the the SCAA actually helps the SSP operate and there's a lot of disinfo agents that work for the CIA that kind of maintain that narrative I'd like to get your opinion on that well I could tell you let's do the history of it so the OSS was in World War II under Wild Bill Donovan as for my grandfather worked and and so you know in Dallas we're on the cutting edge hiring ex-nauties and all their scientists and they knew all about the UFO file the food fighters back in World War II that's

28:11where the band got their name folks is World War II the all sides of the conflict we're seeing these bright balls of plasma and discs you know they were craning discs I've been told the Navy one guy an officer retired told me they were craning uh spaceships out of the water and the Coral Sea in 1944 while the Japanese are bombing and strafing them so I mean that's how important it says the US Navy has always had a line share of the technology you know you can go back to the Civil War the Iron Clads CSS Virginia and the and the and the monitor they were very high tech for the day so the Navy is always have the high tech now the OSS turned into the CIA now they had mystics like my grandfather and Carl Jung and some others to help understand the metaphysical side of this UFO issue because you know they realized the Germans were way ahead and everything so the CIA was created in 1947 I believe um yeah same time that's what I was saying was created in

29:13right around 52 for the express purpose of covering nothing but the UFO related issues and that's where people you know fixate on the CIA no the NSA was created on purpose to deal with this issue the CIA does other stuff you know overthrow foreign countries and yeah whatever is skull dugory everywhere but no the NSA and I've got my steps on works for the NSA and he won't hear anything I have to say about it but you know I'm like go to the lower levels and work with the tall gray guys yeah your pay will go up your clearance will go up and he's like now I don't believe that so I mean people working at the NSA with clearance he's got a high clearance he doesn't believe in either shit yeah what do you think is going on with my cousin and everything he's saying I don't know any laughs he doesn't care you know that so it's it's people on the inside the Pentagon and the CIA the NSA the NRO the Marines the Air Force Navy Space Force who don't believe

30:16in any of this shit because they they're not given a clearance right people all they are all in cahoots it's like no it's it's an elite within you know a minority elite within every branch of the service or the intel and same thing with Congress right there are a few senators who are briefed on a modicum of the UFO file like my dad and others but you know the case in point there was a congressman I forget his name who in the last six months did an interview with someone and the congressman said I can't remember his name he said I went to my fellow congressman and senators and said look this UAP issue is serious they're in our airspace this could be you you know we should do this and a senior senator put his arm around him and said Joe or wherever we have more important things to worry about come help with Bill 162 on the you know corn crop more important than unknown craft that are operating in ways we can't aren't supposed to be

31:20possible in our airspace something's more important than that right right it's the biggest issue in human history right UFOs and aliens it's like no it's our entire history if you go back like I the megalithic buildings I've been doing this all my life and you realize Atlantis and high civilizations before the great flood obvious goblecky tepe in turkey you know that 12,500 years old that suggests organized farming government spirituality all organized who taught them that you know the narrative was we were in spears and buck skins yes nonsense and so when you histories of Swiss cheese it's mostly lies Napoleon said it said a lies agreed upon by the winners of wars right but when you put ET involvement both positive and negative and everything in between strip mining the nascal lines the megaliths the pyramids the yucatan they're finding more

32:21and more cities every day it's incredible you go down there and you go to the temple of the sun in mexico and everything and your jaw just hits the floor if you understand the history but once you plug ET in it most of those Swiss cheese holes go away you have to be arguing with you know even even alternative historians don't want to go there they're like oh no there's there's some ET's a little bit but no mostly humans I said well I agree the human beings did that but there's been many races of human beings some smarter than the others you know there were there were high civilizations going on before the great flood living not too far away from the andrthol tribes and left them alone right you know or primitive americans primitive humans they left them alone like we used to do and now in the amazon the yanomamo and the other tribes like that they all have cell phones and t-shirts now and right last indigenous tribes who had the spirit they want all

33:27that spirituality and shamanistic you know higher realm a contact which they've been doing forever to end now they tried that with the native american tribes but they never really did it at least the very least the genocide stopped and we gave them reservations now some tribes were wiped off the map but this war against the indigenous spirituality has been going on for I don't know you tell me since the 30 years war of the 1500s right I was the Lutherans the hermetic hermeticist Luther is against the church of Rome yeah I wonder yeah they knew they were no sticks right exactly and going back to like the people involved in these programs that just don't believe it exists because they work for the program and if it existed they would know I would know I would know that was the real but you know you just maybe forget what I was going to say so it's what's going on

34:28now I think more of the same I mean look at all these acronyms you can take a screenshot of the the list of acronyms from my letter you can put it up on you know I mean they're creating a new one my own eye guy says oh there's a new one coming I said well I'm getting bored you know there's so many of them and believe me they don't go away just because the Pentagon and the arrow all to main anomaly resolution office yeah what are they resolving not much how cold the beer is well 42 degrees that's not cold enough so they're you know they're creating they don't have websites all they do is the Pentagon website issues of briefing under the heading of arrow or UAP task board there's no information no websites right there will well right now there's none that's the interesting thing too and I remember where I was going to say these people are I mean they're just completely ignorant to what's really going on under being used as pawns and an agenda that

35:31you're not even aware of yeah most Pentagon you know people you know they they might have been right in on tiny bit and it's like right the rest is above your big right it's needed to know they're told what they need to know they're their job and that's it it's compartmentalized that's what people need to understand and I dad taught me that back when I was in college he's like you need to understand how the military it works you know and I was asking you know are you a foe what's going on with this UFO issue I don't know there was a sighting in Virginia back in the 80s and he said look you need to understand that the people in those departments sometimes they're not listed and there's all kinds of security levels you're never going to get any information from anyone he always in the early days he tried to dissuade me you know like the majestic 12 files he's like don't go down that road you're not going to find it just leave it alone I said no way I'll leave this alone I should yeah well in the back in the 90s it was still dangerous to go dig in it really was I didn't know that but had I been in touch with Greer in 93 he would have told me to

36:33be damn careful what you do now he's still alive so somebody alive right in the end well there's so you were talking about there's no websites right for these not the not the last time I check was last week well this is this is how the secrecy this is how they maintain the secrecy for a lot of these programs these clandestine black budget shadow government programs there is no paper trail intentionally it's it's the same as like think of the CIA when they get when they're on mission right when they receive an order on us on the throw away cell phone they get the order the cell phone goes into the river they carry out their task the same things going on with the with the secret space program in my opinion I don't think there is a large paper trail for any of it for that reason so even if somebody were to dig or things were to be exposed there's nothing there there's no documents and it's been like that for a couple hundred years that you know there's smart enough intelligent services and so you know this gets to a point that I made in another interview now

37:41I'll list it here is you know a lot of people on Twitter and a lot of my friends and other all kinds of people they say where show me something show me some proof of all this crap this UFO issue and the military being involved and you know they they know something's going on because there's the UAP thing but you know I think most people believe and I think it's true that tick tax and other things those are lucky Martin and Grumman and you know general dynamics those are our stuff because they need plausible deniability to fall back on and so I began thinking you know what what there's the mass of circumstantial evidence the the millions of civilian pilot literally millions of reports military reports you know Chris Mellon makes a big deal of that oh damn you Pentagon you know you need to give military people more leeway to you know it's all about hardware and sightings that's not important it's the politics it's the dirty deals it's you know

38:44what deals if we made with ET well you know we've all heard from the SSP folks you know that could be what they're hiding they don't care about sightings or I saw a little gray alien in my closet that you give a shit you know what they're doing is saying yeah you know eventually within 10 years they'll be like sure you know we work with some ET's they're very nice people you know we're working on some projects you know we'll get back to you on you know someday and have a nice day go back to work go back to school and shut the fuck up bothering us and go talk to the UAP task force which will give your run around to all the other departments and so that's what they're doing it's obvious to anyone in DC who understands intelligence in the military I mean all my friends you know they'd laugh you know they're doing this again like I said didn't they do that 1976 and they're like yeah but no one remembers they're doing the same tactics over and over and that's going to come back to bite them I think I so proof and I gave this a lot of thought and I said I said to someone I said look I don't know

39:50anything 100% sure I can give me probabilities but I don't know but let me tell you something the human race is very creative we're mostly good people we're loving and you know there's a few bad apples you know duality you know what are you going to do however if you look at the long if you look the big picture of history what never changes now with all this creativity and you know oh yeah there's some there's some minor changes you know civil rights women's lib you know these are positive things that happen little changes but the fundamentals of history never ever change now number one the elite few rule over the many these royals and other people and rich families like mine and you know the power for people they rule a secret there's no I've studied it not in ways of Sunday for decades there's no other explanation they rule so that's number one number two slavery it's been with us since the get go since since the great flood anyway and there are

40:56accounts of Atlantis that say well the regressive sons of Belial you know started making chimeras and genetic modifications to make slaves that's very selfish and service to self you know and chimer you know sentars and you know bullheaded men you know these kind of things that are probably going on in the program's town space it's not a big deal and so slavery never goes away you got debt slavery you got sexual slavery you got human trafficking that never goes away you go you go to a market in the middle east and in a warehouse in the desert you'd buy anything you want including I used UFO probably if you have enough money yeah somebody told me that you could you can buy a low-level spacecraft from the Russians or somebody for two million bucks wow really and the rich people world that's a bargain yeah now I may only go to the moon and the soul system I don't know how you get permissions to lead the atmosphere or whatever but you can

41:59use it in the earth's atmosphere you can go to China from Russia in two minutes boom so you know these are the kind of weird things that are going on most likely so slavery number two number three always had religions new ones crop up every day you know I'm sorry for people who put their eggs in one bastard with religion but you know it's obvious that's that's been our biggest mind control vehicle since the great flood you know spirituality be damned narcissism be damned you know yeah there were the temple ours and the two taunts and the cathars and the noxics who knew better but everyone else you know religion so that never changes even if the Vatican says oh we love ET we're gonna make them Catholics and everything that's all bullshit that's you know number three that never changes no matter what people do now religion you know in Europe it's falling off you know people are losing faith they're tired of the lies

43:00you know with everything and so that's that's a big one and I should write these down because I forget them but the other big one is you know money money is slavery I don't care if you're Koch brother billionaire I know these guys you know I have freedom you know I have real freedom yeah you got a private jet in a yacht and whatever you can give millions away and get political favors but you're still a slave you're slaved because there's always somebody above you right and even the queen of England probably has somebody you know you and I probably know who you're leaning on her before she died now you know you can control some you know a dumber monarch I know not and try to use that money to like actually free humanity or do things that will like make the system obsolete like build free energy devices uh build a craft you know like do these and we'll do in secret for themselves right right but you try to use your wealth to do these things

44:02you get you will get shut down immediately by the system because the money is it's still within the system and controlled by the essentially you have to be on the approved list right and very few people are right just because you have a lot of money like Bezos or the Facebook kid or even Musk boy do I get shit when I attack Musk on Twitter it's nothing but a needle on Musk Musk love fest you know wine love fest uh but you know he's a military contractor I was right about that is is there somebody there with you yeah my wife is so okay I just saw someone walk by oh yeah okay it's not an interdimensional yeah like oh right uh you're in our con yeah they're usually hanging out right into my liquor closet right it was real like a shadow figure I was like whoa what was that uh shadow being you know they're all right yeah sorry to interrupt you uh so how good I don't know I lost my friend

45:07I thought but it the fundamentals of history never took again and then the last one is war and weapons development boy that's what got me into history in the first place all these wars you know I wanted to know all about the weapons and the politics and the polyonic wars and everything when I was in high school in college and it's like wow history is just going from one war to another yeah you know this ship sailed around the world and this this king did this for you know whatever but it's mostly wars right and so these fundamentals of history never change and I asked my friend you know I said who has the godlike omnipotent power to keep this machine going with all this stuff and no change of those fundamentals now that's got to be ET because these round tables of royals and politicians and big rich people you know they don't get long they fight like cats and dogs I know that my grandfather was on the CFR and adjacent society I think they're trilateral but I'm trying to figure that out um I think it was it in the cosmos club in in Washington DC I mean these

46:13people don't get along yes they let nations starve you know let's just let that African nation starve this year and they will come in cross in the world wildlife fun and we'll give them some money in five years when half the population is dead right right but they don't get along right I think that the Koch brothers are on these all these big foundations and they were like join us you know this foundation I said no I don't know boring I I've been on a board before I'm not going to do that it's the the person with the most money on the board gets their say they're in charge and so I said no it's corrupt no no no but you know they uh I said did they argue a lot and they're like yeah and I said no I've had enough of that it doesn't get anything done of course I didn't well there's like the warring families and in conflict within the families and within those realms like you're talking about but they do get together in those meetings because they ultimately are working together even though they dislike each other they have to right they

47:13understand they're still working for that like they can possibly by working together accelerate that one world order agenda so they just kind of you know make do with it even though they don't really like the other the opposing oh and there there's that the rumors of the famous yearly meeting in England I forget what city where it is where it's half ET half human and maybe some inner-earth folks for color and you know and they get together and they're like all right this is it and and that goes down the chain of command so they have to get along it's like any other kind of board or anything on a corporation so you got to get along at the end of the day you may argue about certain points and things like that but at the end of the day when somebody at the top is in order well that's that now there's some wiggle room and negotiations you know a lot of ET races they love to negotiate and contracts are big that's where we get contract law on the contracts

48:14and corporations we learned it from them and that's big out in the universe yeah you sign a contract you're beholden to it better not break it because that's a universal law and of course you can get around could bend universal law and they break it you know penny Bradley says they break it all the time certainly key groups because everyone has an agenda and that makes sense right oh I met these wonderful ET's and they're blue and they sent out the flower of life and you know they're and they gave me a crystal and everything was love and light and so and so okay well you know probably what do they have it hidden agenda you know you know everyone's like no they're wonderful people you you don't you've got to meet them and it's like I'd meet them but I use the law of discernment which is a permit law and you know they might be 97% benevolent and they like us and you know we like you guys but we want to steal all your orchids from the Amazon

49:15and leave you none you know it's something like that you know it's it's kind of like not everyone's you know 100% benevolent and same you know Yin and Yang you know there's a little bit of light in the dark you know you take the Yin and Yang symbol black and white if you spin it fast what color do you get gray gray yeah everything is lighter gray or darker gray people like simple black and answers and there's none right it's everything is gray yes some people wear very very light gray hats you know I presume Chris Melon is sort of a medium gray a little dark and I'm a lighter gray but I mean no one's a saint no one's a savior it's just ridiculous it's part of the the reason the human race really the lessons or the big lesson to learn is that one of them right when we mature when you get older you you learn some of that most cops are good but you know there's the

50:202015 20 percent that are on the take you know or shoot somebody you know for money or something like that but most cops are good you know but you know it's like perspective is important you know everything like that you know you interview somebody who's been beaten up by a cop and they hate cops but then those same cops are you know saving somebody's life with a bunch of firemen you know it's boy the universe is all flexible reality is flexible everything is flexible and everything is gray right lighter dark thing nobody's perfect oh god source now here she is a lot pure light and it's like wonder yeah but they owe a lot of people some poker money right well it's I always say that like there is no answer for anything like you can make a list of possibilities and the answer is always all the above like I don't think that there's like nothing's clear cut like you said and

51:21that's very apparent it's very apparent I don't like that they don't like the flexibility of something like you know everything hard solid solid you know my dad was kind of like that I'm like hey man there's a lot of flexibility and greatness in here oh hell no right right and it's always and it's always answers it's always about who benefits from like the UFO disclosure like who benefits from what they're doing right now like obviously we talked about that earlier but it's always there's always an agenda behind every move that's made they're doing this whole UAP thing the whole of it because they have to who's on the inside pushing for that that's anyone's guest some lighter gray medium group medium to lighter gray hats or like enough is enough the internet changed everything the last 30 years people are seeing more and more shit in the sky pilots are seeing stuff I know navy personnel are really pissed off they're like we see them all

52:22a time what we're supposed to report them is naval flares you know I was on the USS Enterprise in 1995 for a couple nights and it's an aircraft carrier and and we saw on the distance of South Carolina in the east you know all these orange lights that you know they were information then one zipped away and then then they blipped out is it the officer on the deck said all the enlisted people you know just naval flares everyone back to work and the cheap petty officer some some guys pass me in my my own i friend who was with me and they said no they always say that we know what the fuck they are right right and they're getting tired they're getting tired the service personnel all branches maybe not the space force but all branches they're getting tired of being treated like children not given the proper clearances or information uh yeah they believe in national security in the constitution most not all but the navy believes in constitution marines yeah they're not beholden to a commander in chief they're beholden to the constitution

53:26which represents in theory the american people right they have in a corrupt well let's let's talk about the navy and the space force because so the space force recently took over all military satellite communications i don't know if you recently saw that and i don't know how true that is but that's what was announced and then uh what the space force also is allegedly working on a new space station it's going to be three times the size of the empire state building and their decommissioning the ISS in 2031 they're going to crash land into pacific ocean it's a piece of shit anyway right so and uh the information about the new space station comes directly from somebody i know who uh whose father is working on it and this is real intel they'll say it's new but they've had it up there for 20 years right yeah oh we got a space station you know it's just like anything else up there there's a ton of shit up there in

54:28orbit very negative you know and then space force is orbiter high there they seem to be at their forefront of all this right now and they even seem to be like an aerospace company as well if they are in fact building the new space station yeah um it's a confusing mess but here's here's what i know for whatever it's worth because you know i'm not right about everything um there was something called earth defense force and it's been around for 30 40 years that i think was changed to us space force so we've always had it for i don't know 40 50 years we've had you know a presence in space as a defensive of the earth you know whether it's satellite or space stations they've had space stations since the 50s probably and so that's that's that component uh naval space command the nsc it's one of those acronyms

55:29that's based in quagilane island and d. a. go Garcia that much i know from my own i sources i've known that for i don't know 25 30 years i didn't know the significance of it you know quagilane they launch things with chemical rockets and and gravity it's it's in a position for privacy but also there's an electromagnetic benefit of being in quagilane for getting stuff into orbit or beyond what that benefit is electromagnetically it has something to do with the earth and so that's but that's all i know uh probably the same in d. a. go Garcia boy if you want privacy that's in the middle of the indian ocean you know obviously the ssp people mention that from time to time right where the germans come and resupply that that's logical to me under contract you know they have contracts the resupply that would be a great place to land and you know whether you're in cloaked invisible or whatever that's easy to do um they were working on that in the

56:32thirties i it's my new book i talk about it optical invisibility you're changing uh it has a time travel component to it because i in my book uh my latest book sanity was a luxury there aboard a german anti-gravity airship and the variant brothers and van bush the mit rad lab and john g trump is in there as a character they cobble up a series of claustron radar tubes and they say we can bend light using scalar waves and at microwave frequencies this gets into the eldrige and project rainbow stuff but theoretically i kind of pieced it together i think they could have done it they were working on in thirties that's the word under fdr and tesla and so what it does is it's out of phase uh when you you're looking at an aircraft from another aircraft and then you shift the phase using scalar waves and up you know it becomes invisible because it's actually one step further out of time phase than you so it's a little bit of time travel

57:40used for optical invisibility i think that's kind of sort of how it worked at least back then or what they have today who knows but um i kind of pieced that together that was interesting to me and of course it worked and you know it uh it had limitations but it worked right so um yeah and as far as the navy's involvement and all the stuff they seem to be the way back you know the diving bells the glomar explorer i drilled down this is a six months ago i drilled down on the glomar explorer which Howard Hughes and Hughes aircraft was involved in and lo and behold there it was my dad as under secretary of the navy in 1971 he was involved with the underwater national reconnaissance office and the glomar explorer sure it picked up a few Russian submarines what else did it was it designed to pick up off the ocean floor right i'm not sure what i was like oh my god yeah i didn't even know that about that i'm not sure i i don't know about the the he said glomar explorer

58:42explorer look it up it's it's a big ship that's designed with two crane towers to lower a grappling you know type of grappling device to the ocean bottom to pick up submarines and whatever else it could grasp on too oh you mentioned that in your letter did you not yeah yeah that's right i knew i heard it um you know i remember the first interview you were talking about that movie the final countdown how that was you know i watched that movie and it's incredible they're you know talking about time travel and in a practical formality and and applying it to the military in the navy and you said that was a recruitment film i noticed the the us navy now is saying referring to the new top gun movie has like the number one movie under 20 accounts the first thing top gun voted number one top gun maverick voted number one by the navy ball button i'm wondering if that's also being used as a recruitment film as well oh sure i mean hollywood's been neck and neck with intel and the military services i mean look at 2001 space odyssey i saw that when i was six

59:46years old in 1968 with my dad and my best friend um imagine all the people joining nasa and and the air force and some other secret you know us navy space program was active even back then that was a damn that was showing us the secret space program a lot of people believe that i think so as well they were showing us the truth which they do on occasion now of course the Antarctica you know they they make silly movies like iron sky and i think they're making a third one they're terrible movies terrible but there's disclosure sort of because they're demonizing it they're making it look ridiculous that to me to me and others that that's a red flag because they're going off it's not like 2001 or the top gun or whatever else know they're demonizing that making it look childish and silly it was made for the movies are made for children and so they're telling some truth probably i think but they're demonizing it as hard as they can

1:00:52that's a red flag in my book well just like the as soon as the as soon as trump announced the space force the netflix series came out space force that's a comedy that makes terrible right makes fun of it yeah right it's joke yeah and he just disappeared magic it's freezing in here oh you're fine in the bunker it's freezing here i keep the humidity at 10% but that's exactly you're exactly right because iron sky is in starship troopers is another one that really paint a picture of what the how the ssp operates and what's actually going on but it's laughable you know they do it under the guys accountable yeah when i in the 1990s i was working in post-production television i was a computer guy a compositor doing special effects work for movies and commercials and things like that and i saw starship starship troopers being

1:01:53made on the computer you know with the animation in those days it was all softy marge and i was like this is a weird movie and then i watched you know 10 minutes of it and i thought oh this is ridiculous and now i'm like i wonder they're really showing us some of the truth they they make it kind of silly and they make it for young adults and you know 12 year olds right under cosmic law are you know they're showing us the truth i agree and i've heard from people like daryl james and some other ssp people that the way they're depicted wearing i guess the dark fleet would be depicted the long leather coats with the hat the black leather coats with the hat apparently that's exactly how they dressed and that to me like that's a detail that you can ignore if that's really what these people are remembering and that same detail shows up in a movie like starship troopers that's this like subtle disclosure but no one's ever going to

1:02:53connect those dots unless you really go down that rabbit hole you you got to have a good knowledge of all this stuff and the problem is and this is what the u.s. government and u.a. p. folks they know that people can't i mean this has taken me 45 years of my life to piece together you know i had my own i came to this very slowly and skeptically but i'm open-minded i consider everything you know that's why i'm friends with pennie bradley and others you know the i want to listen and i want to and a lot of the stuff they say is it's very esoteric but you know as far as german history going back to the romans trying to genocide the germans that's true you got to have a good knowledge of history to understand that but to ordinary citizens it's going to sound like a bunch of complicated gobbledygook right they know that you know christmellan and everybody and they know that they know who their audience is and i saw a document many many decades ago i don't know and uh it said the average IQ of america

1:03:58is somewhere around 85 like the average and i was like this can't be true i believe that you don't believe this this is a military doc someone showed it to me and now i sadly you know i've sort of come to terms with that um they know how to manipulate people thought they don't even have to do any heavy lifting it's so easy to demonize everyone in the disclosure movement is being still a bunch of tinfoil hats with you know binoculars looking at UFOs in the sky and and making up ghost stories right space oh they saw that star wars oh they saw that the day the earth stood still and it's like wow there's a lot of sci-fi movies where you know aliens are attacking us right you know post apocalyptic movies too it's they there's a lot of there's a lot of disclosure in the original 1960 star track series oh yeah now the the word the story on that

1:05:06that i've gotten from several sources and i piece it together gene rotten berry who was you know wore two pilot he saw action he used the real deal his best friend was Leslie Stevens Jr who was a Hollywood producer and did battle star galactica in the 1970s guess who his father was admiral Leslie Stevens and supposedly he's the one who gave gene rotten berry through his son the information to put into the star track series there's word that it was a navy sponsored vehicle the navy wanted in the early 60s to start getting some of these concepts out to a very simplistic public in the 1960s it was barbaric times civil rights it was grim and so they were able to talk about all these issues and slavery cosmic slavery racism you know war a lot of war

1:06:08and start track you know klingons and everything like that and who the klingons who the Romulans and who the Vulcans you know you know i mean there's all these concepts of logic and they had episodes where the computer took over the whole enterprise that's AI failed they were trying to warn us about a lot of stuff i urge people to go back and and with this new knowledge that we're all talking about here especially you guys to go back and watch that with an i that gene rotten berry was the story is he was a member of the council he was privy to the council of nine nineties at the e-salon institute in california and you know William Tomkins writes admiral Rico boda who was in charge of the Douglas aircraft he's in my new book he's a character you know he and and Leslie Stevens definitely knew each other right uh i think from my research it's hard to find anything on boda my father and i did two for a request the navy gave us one page you know

1:07:08height weight serial number commander of uh sandy a go naval air station so on a mile well most of that information comes from William Tomkins about boda it all starts to piece together if you do your homework but a lot of people read a few books and watch a few videos and freak out and say well this can't be true right i don't blame them but it's like it takes a lot of study and yeah and then we have to consider the disinfo agents that are sent into money to waters also that and i actually have a list of like the different levels of disinfo agents that i just think is really interesting to consider they have agents of influence the confusion agents contract agents deep cover agents disinfo agents notional agents provocation agents and spoonfeeder agents yeah and like okay right and each one there's a description that i could go through if you want to but each one has a description on how they operate and what their strategies are

1:08:12and a lot of them i see being used within the disclosure of truth movement right and and i'd like to think i have a pretty good level of discernment you know i'm six years old so i've been around in my opinion for whatever it's worth the people that concern me the most in the whole disclosure arena is not christmellon luiz el zondo and gary nolyn and travestailer you know all those guys it's the guys men and women who are in the middle now i'm going to give you an example jeremy corbell is is a big fan of ball bizarre i am too i know people that knew you know they they say lasar was legit you know you know people that i trust here you know people not on the internet military folks but then jeremy corbell goes off the reservation and starts talking about softball things and g wiz i'm going to go on ancient aliens on the history channel which is all bullshit

1:09:15you know ancient aliens is some disclosure and then they say the top of a pyramid turns into a UFO made out of solid gold and zooms up into space that's stupid you know and so they're telling you some truth i think and then they muck it all up i tell you ridiculous things what if i would get an ancient astronauts think this and so jeremy corbell i think is a very dangerous maybe he's just an idiot but i wonder because i think he's been trained to say oh you know ball bizarre is okay he's just talking about this but then everything else he demonizes and it's subtle right it's very subtle he's sort of this mid-level guy but he gets a lot of public exposure that's dangerous to me that's a guy who i think maybe i'm wrong but i think he's the kind of guy where they tapped him on the shoulder and said do this for us or else or here's some money either or both very pretty strong that's and exactly the vibe and he he talks about

1:10:18lobos are like yeah bob source great and then everyone's like all right and then he goes up talks about you know how great chris millen and all these other guys are right it's like holy shit right saying some good stuff and then he's saying some a lot of tainted stuff that's counter intelligence one oh one well here that's how they operate exactly and another example is ross cult hard and you know other they're suddenly they're an expert but i'm you know i'm disappointed in rooster dolan and i'm disappointed in linda moton how for reaching across the aisle and doing a softball interview with chris millen right what the hell that's not going to further anything right there a lot of it becomes entertainment the storytelling you know and the first one on that list agent of influence it says somebody who may be under mind control or ideologically motivated to use their positions of influence to mind control others so we have to think about the mind control aspect of all this and people in these positions might be under

1:11:22mind control and we know this is possible this is no secret yeah they may not be aware of what they're doing that's what i mean that's what i mean why some people are more susceptible to mk ultra mind control techniques is mostly electronic now why some are and other people you know i would hope that the three of us are not right right we're talking about you know we're talking smack and we're not holding back and others don't i i don't understand that part maybe some of the ssp folks can clarify how that works right maybe you have to be a little soft in the head to begin with like tom to long i'm sorry great musician or even free maize and whatever you know i have friends who are free maize and they're like that guy's full shit well and these guys the real guys and they're like you know that guy's you know he's a bobo yeah it's the definition of a puppet being used or what they call useful idiot right generally well somebody in his position like think about like they take advantage of your ego too

1:12:27and like hey what if we make you the next UFO guy two to stars academy that list how does this sound two to stars academy you get you get access to top secret classified information you get to go into your organs podcast you should tell the world what happens with UFOs like they presented to them he was given information that's been floating around for 30 years it's Alex collier has been talking about that stuff and others grier and and you name it so what a time to long do he just regurgitated shit you know his intention was good by all accounts he's a nice guy i think they manipulated him out the yinye right oh yeah you know and then he's like playing cagey and he goes on Joe Rogan that's a softball host you know nap of George Rogan others he's softball host and just gets it's there in his beanie and his hipster outfit and go yeah man it's called cool that's not cool at all it's frightening and horrifying

1:13:28right yeah right right i'm the long Jeremy Corbell you know there's a million of them right well you know and they catered to the to most of the folks who are very very starting to get very concerned about this whole UFO issue ET issue and they're starting to get scared and they're reinforcing their pink you know fluffy cloud of you know that false floor of reality they're helping them you know pound new boards don't worry everything's going great right no right right so i think you know my life it's it's it's so obvious like got all these philosophers and uh psychologists i'm doing an interview with a bunch of Jungians and they they all believe that you know my grandfather a new Carl Jung and his concept of the the collective unconscious and i think they're going to have me on and they're going to say is it all in everyone's mind don't we just co-create our reality how do you explain that

1:14:29yes part of that's true we do co-create our reality because that makes sense to me but come on it's not an all every when billions of people is not on our heads but they're see what they're doing that they're they're protecting their sanity this is why my new book is called sanity was a luxury that's a quote from Ernst Schaeffer of the Ananerbe SS the archaeologists and there have this heated discussion about all the German technology and how it's going off the rails this is allied my allied characters in the Germans and they're like we're really concerned and they're like this is insane he's like sanity is a luxury and if we can afford it right now right because everything has gone insane so the problem with those concepts trying to to hide behind a philosopher or a psychologist you know young with CIA he was OSS and then you know once CIA always CIA and they're they're going to the you know a guy who wrote a book about flying saucers I've read it it's mostly disinformation don't worry folks and it's all in your mind yeah they might

1:15:32be real but you know they're far away don't worry it's all in your mind that's dangerous yeah and there's a lot of this people being chicken shit I'm sorry they're just cowards telling you what to think about it rather than presenting information letting you decide yeah well they can't they can't they don't have much of an argument now that the you know the government's coming out saying oh there's a strange there's these you know they can't they're they're finding less it's like having a mountain climb or having a perch you know these perch all these purchase are going away they're going up an ice frozen waterfall and they're running out of you know ice axes and things to cement their their pathetic third-dimensional 20th century reality which is a lot of folks right right and you know that you know another thing I see is we have all of a sudden these exoluminati people coming out doing interviews saying that oh it's all virtual reality these people are just remembering virtual reality oh ssp is all memory and plants in virtual reality

1:16:36which is a little bit of the truth right some of it a little bit surrounded by a bodyguard of lies that's when Churchill said oh my god the truth has to be protected with a huge bodyguard of lies and so that's that's the way that's an intel tactic Chris Melon goes out there and goes oh it's a mystery and you know some of them might be alien a little bit of truth it's not a mystery but the you know the alien part and then he goes and I don't worry it's probably the Chinese of the Russians so they they kind of tantalize you with a little bit of they think they're going to say something true and then they fall back on their bullshit narrative yeah you know like a big fluffy mattress fine here's a blankie right right exactly American people here's a cashmere blanket right fuzzy nothing to see here move along the wrong drink you know have a tiki room drink right the bulls are narrative that's i'm in a name this episode that's it that's that's really good no I don't blame people I really I mean I I could be sound harsh sometimes

1:17:37but you know all these people my friends and family you know that I loved yearly but you know we all got to start to grow up I mean all of those yeah you know we're never gonna stop learning well they hope they hope that we get so confused and lose hope so we and we just throw in the towel and go back to working our 40-hour job and forget about it that's what they want and that's why the IQ is what you said it was 80 85 or whatever I saw that you know people can argue that all day long but you can you see those you see those people go around and ask random people basic questions about history about the presidents and most people like they can't answer a lot of people can't they don't know you know who the first president was it's like this millennial generation so it's like okay there's that's done by design the distractions are put in place so you know the rules movie games VR goggles the games boy those are dangerous right you know I see my step grant I have a step grandson you know he's

1:18:41diddling away on these games I mean there's no way to get him off that is so a dick designed to be addictive and then the movies and the TV shows yeah TikTok you know videos it's weird because like on Netflix dark is talking to you about time travel and they're alluding to Brookhaven Labs in Long Island but is set in Germany at this fake atomic plant but they're giving you some truth but boy they made it so complicated and slow and German I mean some of my friends asked me what the hell is dark really about and I said you know you wouldn't believe it if I told you you know and and then they're like what you know it they tell us bits of truth but it is so convoluted there are very few shows that really hit the nail in the head if any right I'm surprised Graham Hancock show got on Netflix we were just talk I I am shocked that was allowed but that I don't know to me that gives me like maybe there's some some kind of like

1:19:47shift good infiltration like there's something happening here and then this this the gift show yeah there's a see it's it was filmed in Istanbul it's called the gift and it's about go back and it talks about parallel dimensions and they always profound universal messages that I'd never expected to you know stuff we talk about on here on our show that's on Netflix now I'm like how did this slip through the cracks unless it was allowed because it was very high brow it's not that easy to understand it's subtitled from Turkish right um only us UFO nerds and you know new age geeks and metaphysical mystic types are going to be really really into that right the most part and your average Joe or Jane six pack I don't know about the world but the America they're not going to watch that right what's this per turn on sports football right I don't say that to be mean it's just it's the true yeah there's some really smart

1:20:56people I know and then like football's on it's like right it's like a power down exactly sports it's powered in exactly and then like I go to family gatherings and stuff and people can't help it is a literal simulation when people are talking about their weather and sports and what their favorite Netflix is in politics and oh boy they love politics right it's a it's a contact sport it's another sport right right exactly nonsense and and you know and it's some but this brings up another point I wanted to mention I'm not going to mention the person who said this but somebody in the SSP realm got up on stage in front of a group of large group of people and said you know folks all you got to do is go to the polls and vote for the right people and we can have change and I stood there listening to this and my jaw just hit the floor and shattered right yeah let me tell you folks I've been around the US government all my life

1:21:58you're only going to vote for another moron in charge I just told you about the congressman who had you know gee with UAPs and they shut him down if he keeps probing they'll get rid of them he's a congressman in two years oh he mysteriously didn't win his next election that's how it works you're not going to vote anyone in politics the US government anything you're never going to get any disclosure or change or progressivism from those people the military are designed to defend this country you know and for many threats from outer space and that's it they're they're not in a position to disclose anything that's for the US government see there are around right it's on my face the task wars and you know so it just goes ran around around you're not going to get anything it has to come from the people right and I thought that was very very irresponsible to say and we know in the secret space program you know a veteran and I'm like how can you be a veteran

1:23:03of what's going on out in space and say that that's right you're to I'll just say I'll just say the name I'll just say the name because I don't care Randy Kramer I like Randy I think he has great stories to tell I appreciate but my god right that was I mean he's and then then a lot of him and a lot of other people go well my commanding officer won't let me talk about that there's still something let me get something straight I'm here with my face a lot of people come on you know interviews and they they just have a blank they don't want to show their face what you think technology is not going to figure out your voice they've got technology that can do anything so you know getting up there and saying well I'm not allowed to talk with that ha ha ha that's not funny right why don't you have the you know why don't you have the balls to come on show your face and talk about everything right no I can't stand this well I can talk about this but not that

1:24:07right ha ha you you kids aren't worthy of my well apparently it's too high level well they say they say it's because of NDAs but please they're talking about the secret space program and you read about your NDA it doesn't make any sense right well so that ruined their credibility to me that's a great example of compartmentalization too because he's only being told certain things and he thinks everything he's being told is the truth and oh if that was true I would know about it it's like that whole kind of thing right it's like well no because it's compartmentalized you're being told what they want you to know because that serves and that compartment and I cannot fathom you're talking about a secret space program and fighting in space for corporations and everyone else but I can't talk about this because my commanding officer said no no right no sense to me that's a joke well and there's a key the key word key words commanding

1:25:08officer these people still have superiors that they answer to and tell them to tell their superiors to go jump on in a lake ridiculous we're talking about the survival of the human race right yeah and you're worried about us what some you know jarhead commanding officers telling you you're worried about the wrong things right you know you know I'm not an SS man I don't have memories I don't have any of that stuff but I've had my experiences and I don't hold back because you know some senator you know called me up one night and said don't talk about that I don't do that I never work for the government and it never works for the military right but even if you did know this ship has sailed folks this oh I can't talk about this one thing why the hell not you're talking about everything else mother ships and you know a drago cement ends and corporate you know and I provide ice cream for the secret space program out there you know it's organic yeah right all that shit and you can't talk about this you know the aquatic

1:26:10people's union for you know freedom of the oceans and what the hell's so top secret about that it's right right no I'm gonna vent you know it it it needs to be said right yes thank you and and here's what I think like most of the people the masses don't believe in this stuff anyway right so like what's the difference if you share one bit of information next to the other that they already don't believe right oh I can't talk about the frog people that no way that's too much yeah she's insane you know it's just you know I understand people are manipulated and messed with and alternate personalities and you know god and I'm psychotronic controls and this guy's a limit I understand all that but it's it's it's so strange to me when people come up like talk about this but no way I'm gonna talk about the ice cream stuff no way why not right some corporation doesn't want you to talk about that who cares well some people maybe

1:27:13they were threatened it's all circumstantial we don't know um so we can't throw everybody under the same blanket but I do understand what you're saying it's just strange to me you know oh I can talk about this but hell no you know right right right and a lot of that it those people are in those positions because they've been manipulated via their ego and by saying that they can't say something that they're privy to um that that boost their ego loves that yeah yeah I mean I've never said that I've never no one's ever told me to withhold this I've gotten some general warnings from people I respect but you know I'm like well we're at the eleventh hour it really are I mean there's that the countdown clock you know one minute to midnight we're at the one minute mark human race yeah yeah by all accounts everyone's watching us what are they gonna do are they gonna really you know are they gonna you know haul this ball over the goal line or not and everyone's like oh I can't tell you my real name

1:28:18I can't do this and that it's like do you realize what's at stake right because in 20 years when I'm 80 if we don't move this ball over the goal line in a meaningful way I mean the people everyone around the earth then we're then we're gonna succumb to a lot of us dying a lot of us being chipped by Elon Musk and put in a cubicle with a computer and everything else will be built by robots and I mean that's where we're headed pull on pull on slavery yeah I mean it's and it's faster than people think right well it because it happens on musk as if a demigod they it happens before your eyes and you don't see it until it's too late and that's what every that's how it all happens if you notice like next thing you know there's charging stations and electric cars and all the stuff well how did when did that happen like it just all of a sudden there the totalitarian tiptoe right like puts it yeah yeah there you go that's I'm well for electric cars

1:29:20but let them let them charge themselves while they drive because that's that's so easy to do and you can easily charge the better keep it better you hook something up to your axle and it can charge the battery while you drive you don't even need a charging station like there's things like that that they still it they still keep you under their power under their control by making you to go plug in your car yeah I mean they're gonna need zero point or you know some type of fusion to to meet the energy demands in 10 or 15 years in America and now what there's all these things in England they announced a small town is in a small paper but they said oh we've got fusion up and running it works we're gonna have it nailed within 10 years and in America too they're like maybe and everything we break through infusion well you know they've been using it for 50 years or more right you know all you need is a strong magnetic field to contain it both technologies really and you know it's torsion tensor physics you know it's they're

1:30:23starting to let out bits of the truth but everything across the board of people are you know talking in all this for me personally as I research this and given all the history it's a case of every time it's a case of too little too late right we all the allies almost lost were were to because it was a case of too little too late and with the Germans they almost had their technology in mature but it was too little too late it's getting scary I mean that war could have ended everything are you familiar with the Boeing B-21 Raider that was unveiled December 22nd it's like the new stealth fighter bomber but they say it's nuclear capable what does that mean and you know in the article it says nuclear capable or conventional so they're telling you subtly like hey sort of yeah they're the navies cagey they let out some patents and things here and there

1:31:25here's how to build a black triangle now everyone says you could from the patent you can see how it works that sort of they let out just enough information to wet your appetite but not the big stuff right right and then now Boeing is partnering with NASA and they're creating the new next gen aircraft the commercial airliners I don't know if you saw that but yeah that's going to be problematic they're they're trying to get us off oil and coal eventually in the 25 years 30 years the Navy the aircraft if they say it's nuclear conventional that probably it's like a TR3 black triangle the early ones had hydrogen type thruster system so that's conventional but then it had a plasma ring with it with a plasma accelerator on it doing a zero point to you know high voltage and then three nodes are using torsion fields monotomic gold and silver plasma and quartz crystals you know it that's to them that's nuclear they can call that nuclear

1:32:31tech is it technically nuclear it depends who you talk to in the nuclear physics arena sort so they get away with saying oh this aircraft is conventional and there's a nuclear component and what is that code for and that means anti-gravitics or anti-gravity you know they what they do is they just take off with conventional ramjet or turbines and then they switch to electro-gravitics like the B2 bomber right in low earth orbit right right and there it's probably moon and Mars capable of it has a plasma ring like a TR3B I think that that even some of our conventional aircraft are retrofitted like I'm talking about like commercial airliners even possibly being retrofitted with this technology as well and I had a very vivid dream one night where I was co-pilot of this airliner and we had to make an emergency landing and the pilot flipped on the anti-gravitics let's say the nuclear capable technology and we just descended

1:33:36and I was like I knew that was retrofitted in these planes is like oh yeah they all have it and they're they don't allow the users under emergency orders it's it that was a dream but I think something like that you know I think that happens well they could um how do we get that to work I mean they just use conventional jet engines and then in flight they could switch over and reduce throttle it'll probably save a lot of fuel and and then in emergency you could you could just glide to the ground very subtly and land um the problem with that is you give that to Lufthansa or United Airlines they're gonna wonder how the black box works in other words I was talking to my friend John Majorowski he has a channel um and he said that uh um you know I lost I lost my train of thought but but oh the satellites and so when you order a satellite a company orders a satellite the satellite comes but the black box comes from another

1:34:40corporation it's power source and they say what's in the black box it's gonna power it for 25 30 years and they're like that's classified yeah put it in launch it you're done no more questions and so they've been you know the Apollo 11 command module some theorize that it had a black box in there to protect the command module in the limb from micrometeorites gamma radiation and the van Allen Bell so they have to have this electromagnetic bubble remember NASA Kurt Debus was number two under Vombran he was a high-voltage electrical plasma specialist right what does that have to do with rockets right right right everything if you understand the electric universe yeah so they add a black box going to the moon a lot of people say we didn't go to the moon I don't care honestly we did or not um we probably went once twice and then Apollo went dark and classified and all that jazz um but you know we've had these black boxes and other things you know solid state you know

1:35:44zero point you know they have that the clear plastic brick which I talk about in some funny stories and you know it can power a whole building or even a series of buildings from a solid state it's clear looks like you know lexan or something um that's really high tech stuff um we probably have back engineered that now so hence the black boxes that can power our satellite for 50 years now satellites go obsolete way before that time but they just either they go up and retrieve the black box and then they send it into low earth orbit to burn up you know it's not hard we've got a lot of gear in space we've got space tations we've got you know service vans coming around this satellite's going down they take the good technology out of it and save it for something else because it never goes bad right you know it's interesting too you said like you said that you know some of these aircraft will take off with conventional methods then they'll switch over um James

1:36:45Kasbal talked about an old interview I don't know if you're familiar with him or yeah um he talked about um how he was sent to Mars uh he was a regular typical conventional rocket launch from from Peru he said he had to be trained to be an astronaut they shot him up into space and once they were up there they boarded a free energy craft and then took that to Mars it's all part to maintain the you know that was the old days as the old days exactly oh now they you know now you come with us you know I had a dream I went to the moon base one night I was like oh that was lucid and I was high as a kite and I was doctors were examining me and I was looking out these black windows where I want to see the moon and space in the earth they're like don't worry about it it's out there but you can't see through the windows that was weird you know everyone's have all these weird dreams it's very possible that most of us have been out in space our consciousness has been out there they borrowed it for a while oh fix the toilet Mr. Warner okay

1:37:50plumber you know on the moon base and it's not very fun and then they put me up so we all might have been doing this that or the other I had another dream most in the Air Force you know with the 1960s uniform on with a typewriter you're a writer type these reports up and I had stacks of reports now this sucks being only on the moon or Mars would be more fun no you don't get to do the fun stuff type these up shut up so I wonder about all that is it's I woke up I told my wife I was like wow I was like I was a typist yeah really boring work but they need they need personnel to do Monday jobs I wonder if everyone is taken at one point they need who wasn't Mary beaver said they need accountants they need everybody right so thank you so much for joining us today man this has just been a lot fun we covered everything I really appreciate you sharing your time with us and do you want to let people know how they can find you and where they can find your books

1:38:54yeah you can link my website on below the interview that's the easiest way and I had the link for the the letter I wrote can you name it can you just say your website out loud for the audio listeners it's john w warner the fourth author dot com right and then if they want they can follow you on twitter also yeah yeah I post some crazy stuff on twitter I don't I don't expect any kind of miracles on there I'll probably at some point just shut it down just leave it right it's just it's designed to extract information and not really be any kind of meaningful sure sure a little bit you know a few people they're interesting yeah well thanks for joining us this was this was a lot of fun yeah thank you guys for tuning in we love you all don't forget if you want to come hang out grab a ticket the link is below journey to truthcon.com maybe there'll be some intelligence agencies there maybe not sure they want or two right we've charged right yeah

1:40:01right anyway we we hope to see you there and if you can't make it live stream tickets are available for $99 so take advantage of that we love you all have a great evening and until next time good night good night thanks there was a CIA director named William Colby who in the 1980s said we'll know our disinformation campaigns are successful when everything the American people believe is fake when we realize how powerful we are when we set our intentions and we realize that we aren't just this we are just these multi-dimensional light beings and time is an illusion and you know it's everything's a perception then you can go forward and backwards and embody it and just pop out and go and do this work you can do amazing things when we set the right intentions to do it and I said this is

1:41:01this is us on this plane you know like that's what this is we're going to the moon and say this thing is a lot older do you think it is we've been going to the moon a long time but I wrote on it I knew that we went to the moon and so I always knew there was a base on the moon from a young age and our DNA is a complex recordings system of the history of the entire universe the history you know of of everything that not just this timeline that we know but multiple timelines of reality there are a total of nine different categories of planets in the universe we people on earth we are living on category one planet like elementary school students and the students they're living on category nine planet like college professors so they have been really guiding us throughout history to help them let us know that this facility under the sandy mountain is considered an information station for interstellar travelers coming to the planet

1:42:02they tell us that their facility was retrofitted into the ancient tunnel system that already existed and as far as the bending the space time continuum I've had something like that happen and what seemed like about a five minute encounter has been four and a half hours a missing time and I was completely conscious and what are you doing with a type three type four type five civilizations that can work with the different coexisting timelines all bets are off man you know every time we have big-foot activity out there we're having ETs and orbs and stuff like that we have a lot of the stuff documented as matter of fact I'm a member of three different teams and I work with people from all over the country out in the field and we actually have documented a portal something that we consider to be a portal opening and we sent two of our team members inside of it and really disappeared and then came back out I would suggest that we take

1:43:05it one step further and say humanity has never known who we are we've always been in the thought control matrix and one step further perhaps we could say that we're in a conscious consciously controlled state of hypnosis in other words are the thought control matrix creators constantly bombarding this with frequencies that keep us from being telepathic that keep us from remembering who we are the thought control matrix was set up and we have never known our potential our power our beauty our our incredible connection it makes no sense at all there is no reason for it other the programming that we've received for generations because it's all about order it's all about listen to listen to your elders listen to the teachers listen to the adults listen listen listen and what that does is it it dims the light of the child and it makes them feel like they don't have a voice and why that's designed that way by the dark side and that's in the system is so that they grow up and they just listen to and they do what they're told and they're good little boys and

1:44:09good little girls and they lose their sense of self they lose their north they're true north so many adults are walking around in this world they don't know who they are so the planet itself is now beginning to split it's beginning to divide again into a higher vibrational earth and a lower vibrational earth and the race of man is dividing with it and we're becoming less and less aware of one another and over time what will happen and I don't know how long this will be one world will have all higher vibrational beings on it and the other one will all be third dimensional beings and we will not perceive each other anymore