Ep.212 The Erdington Visitation (Throwback)

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Negative. We don't want to report.

Erie's 31. Do you wish to report a UFO over?

We want to report one of our data.

Erie's 31. Do you wish to file a report of any kind of a?

I wish I would not report a wildfire.

Erie's 31 mean either.

You're a 7-1 pop-up golf guy.

And it was anybody that shot a bomb at the pass.

It was like 30 seconds ago.

There's 71 pop-up golf negative.

Okay, trumps it.

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Yes, thanks.

It's a murder, 295. Yes, trumps it.

Passed over, uh, like, up.

I don't know what it was, but it's from, at least, to three thousand street above us.

The eye pass, right over the top of us.

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Our guest this episode is Chris calling from Wales about an experience he had in 1975

when he would cause being visited by a grey in his bedroom.

Chris is up next.

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Hello Chris, welcome to the podcast, hello and Chris is calling from West Wales in the

United Kingdom.

That's a lovely part of now as I was there many years ago.

Now Chris you have some experiences to share with us, would you like to start the beginning

please sir?

Yeah, all started when I was about five years older in 1975 in Birmingham.

I was in bed.

Remember I was used to share bunk beds here, top bunk, higher bottom bunk was I woke up one

night in a sitting position with my covers pulled down and I noticed something standing

next to my bed.

I screamed and as I screamed this I'm going to say being because I couldn't make out what

it was at the time all I could see was like the silhouette and the light from the hallway

sort of shone up the one side so I couldn't make out what it was by screamed anyway and

it sort of dropped to the floor and then went under the bed.

I leaned over the edge of the bed and watched this being disappearing to the skirting

board.

But back then I didn't know it as a skirting board, I just knew it as wood.

Mom and dad come running into the bedroom, switched the light on, I'm hysterical screaming

that something had just disappeared into the into the wood and my dad said I just had

a bad dream, but I was hysterical so my mom's trying to calm me down and tell me that

everything's fine and I said he's gone under the bed, it's gone under the bed.

So my dad pulls out the bunk bed and starts knocking on the wall to show me that the wall

was solid.

My mom stayed with me for a while, settled me down but woke up next morning and I can't

remember if we spoke about it anything because I was quite young so a lot of my childhood

I can't remember, it's like it's been blacked out.

I don't know if it to do with the experience or whatever, but I did see something that really

scared me that my mom and dad believed that something I saw something, probably years

after I'd moved out I'd gone to boarding school and my dad and my brother used to sit up

at night and talk and they'd talk about this experience that my dad said I saw something,

he doesn't know what it was, but I did he believes that I did see something.

So my dad's and my brother would talk about it.

When Dave Hodden got in touch with me to do my story, I got in touch with my brother

and asked him if he remembers what happened, he remembers, but he didn't want to talk

about it, which was annoying really because I need people to back me up on the story because

it's only my words, what happens.

So there is sometimes that I wake up in the morning, it feels like I haven't slept, I

wake all over, it feels like I've been in a boxing ring and I'm all stiff and everything.

There's just certain things that keep thinking that I'm being monitored, I'm being watched.

I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's just something's happening and I don't know

what it is.

I want to, I've spoke to people because I want to go into a deep hypnosis, so I can find

out what happens because I believe that I was either about to be taken or I was just

being put back after being taken, hence why the covers was pulled down and I was in a sitting

position and that's when I woke up.

It's bugged me for 40 years, I haven't spoke about it until last year.

A lot of my family, some of them believe, some of them don't, I've even had a family

come to me and said that they've had things happen to them.

It's just not knowing what happened that's really got me and I've had people tell me that

you could go into deep hypnosis and then you find out what's happened to you and it could

make me worse.

But not knowing is the bit that's really, I've got me that I need to find out what's going

on.

I've had people say yes, there will come you under deep hypnosis, but there's no guarantees

that I will find the answers.

I just need to know where all the areas in my life that's been like blacked out, a lot

of my childhood, I can't remember, I remember tiny bits, I mean other people that can go

back to like when they're five, six years old and they can remember everything they can

do.

I don't remember any of that.

It's been going on for a long, long time.

I've got a good memory.

I've got no problem during my memory.

It's just my childhood, I can't figure out what's gone on in my childhood.

I say that I believe that this is still happening today.

It's not knowing that that gets me.

As I said to a friend, they can take me as many times as they want, I'm not bothered

about that.

It's just I'd like to know what they're doing.

I've got no arguments with other life in the universe, you know, there's billions of

life out there.

But if they're here and they're taking us and they're experimenting on us, then I'd

like to know what they're doing.

I don't know if to be honest, if it can sort it out, I could go for hypnosis and nothing

happens and then I'll just be where I am now or I could get hypnotised and I could find

out everything that's been going on, at least that give me some form of closure to know

what's going on.

And then when you know stuff like that, then you might be able to deal with that in your

own way.

Yeah, I can't deal with the incident until I know what's been going on with me.

It affected me through my life.

I mean, today just try and relay what you do remember and then you can use that as a

guide and then if you do decide you want to look into it deeper, then you might fill

in those bases in between.

Well, I know it was, it was around about October, November time because it got dark earlier,

remember that?

Because I remember like when we used to go to bed in the summer, it was still light.

We used to go back and reckon about seven o'clock at night.

So this probably happens a couple of hours after because it was quite dark where my bedroom

is.

It was next door to my mom and dad bedroom and then opposite my mom and dad bedroom was

the living room.

So my mom and dad was in the living room at the time.

So this being disappeared into the wall when my mom and dad was in my room, that being

would have ended up in my mom and dad's room and then I had a chance to escape.

When my mom and dad come running in as the bedroom, and as soon as I said, each drop to,

each drop some rolled under the bed and went into the wall, my mom and dad just locked

in each of us.

I remember him, the shock from my mom's face when I said it and then my dad turned around

and said, oh, you just had a bad dream.

We may be in a sterical scream in a shouting saying, no, no, no, it's not dreams, not dream.

It went under the bed, it went into the wood.

And then that's when my dad pulled out the bed and started knocking on the wall, waking up

with brother and he's right, rubbing his eyes, wondering what's going on.

My brother was four years old, he's a year younger than me.

So after he knocked on the wall, he put the bed back and then my mom sat on the bed and

I'm lying in her arms until I drifted back off to sleep.

And that's all I remember of that case because I don't know the next day if we spoke about

it, if my mom asked if I was all right, if I can't remember any of that.

My brother, when I've spoken to him recently, he said that he believed that I saw from it

because that the way I acted that night, I was petrified.

So I would have preferred him to say to Dave Odder and yes, I was in the bedroom at

the time and Chris woke up screaming, my dad coming running into the room.

I don't know why he refused to give any details.

Dave said sometimes people just don't want to talk about it and they don't want to get

involved.

And that, which I don't understand, I haven't got no arguments with that.

It's just that I wouldn't like to have somebody back me up and say, yeah, Chris saw this

Chris have this experience and that.

Yeah, it's normal for people to clam up, you know, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It just means they just kind of just don't want to be involved for whatever reason.

Well, I was shocked because when I, because I hadn't spoken to my brother about this in

40 years.

So when I spoke to Dave Odder and then he says, can you get anybody that might be able

to knock back up your story?

And I said, oh, yeah, there's my brother, I was sadly my father passed away a couple

of years ago.

So, you know, I can't talk to my dad about it.

And I don't have any contact with my mother anymore.

So I can't get hurt about more.

But he's just having my brother, he would have been nice.

What got me was, he's when he turned around and said, oh, yeah, me and dad used to talk

about it years ago.

That shocked me because I didn't know any of that.

I didn't know that they was talking about it.

There was, I don't know why my dad never came to me and asked, he used to, because my dad

he couldn't, he never used to sleep much.

So he would sit up at nighttime watching TV or watching a film or something.

And then me and my brother would go in, say at four o'clock in the morning because we'd

wake up all summer and we'd sit, have a chat, have a coffee, cigarette, and then we'd

go off to bed and leave him and dad to it.

So my dad had a chance to talk to me all those years, but never mentioned it.

Never said, oh, what about that night?

No.

So that was disappointing, but to find out that my dad and my brother used to talk about it

when I was at boarding school really, really surprised me because I didn't think that they

would have carried on with the conversation, not carried on with the years, but they did.

So to me, in a way, that gives me some vindication because they knew something had happened and

they was talking about it a lot years later.

Exactly.

So they definitely believed something happened to you.

Oh, my dad, yeah, he, 100% believed that I saw something because the way that I was

hysterical, I never said, my dad's always believed in the paranormal when it comes to

like UFOs and things like that.

He's seen a lot of lights in the sky, we've spoke about it many times.

He used to tell me like when he was a kid, he used to see things in the sky and that.

So, yeah, I missed it, we used to have really good conversation.

Of course.

Okay, Kis, take us back to your experience when you were in boarding school.

Well, I was a little soddig school, refused to get taught.

So in the end, the only way that I can get my lessons was go to boarding school.

So I went to a school in Wolverhampton called Wittichall, which is a fantastic school.

It's now a business school for big old Victorian building, full of ghosts, and then story.

And I loved it there.

It was a good place to grow up, a good place for a child's girl.

And I'd only go home due in the holidays, I wouldn't go home that we can, but I'd only

go home at holidays.

So a lot of the time I spent away from home when I was younger.

I say I went to, I went to, I think, five boarding schools and all, mainly due to my

area.

I was a disruptive behavior, refused to get taught at school, refused to stay in school.

But I still learnt a lot.

Going to boarding school was, at first, a wretch, because I was torn away from my family.

But over the years, I sort of like managed to deal with it.

All the staff and the teachers used to look after us on the weekends, used to take us like

out with bounds courses, camping, to the markets, in Pencridge, in Wolverhampton, used

to go hiking, up in the lake districts, come to Wales, camping.

So they really pushed the boat out to give us a decent childhood.

So I thank what you call for that.

And you had an experience actually in the boarding school, back in the eighties?

Yeah, I believe I actually spoke to a ghost.

The doctor called had the grey lady.

Every place has got a grey lady or a lady in my tool, something.

But the doctor called had a grey lady.

Well, I'd gone to Highgate Common in Wolverhampton and we were playing army and I jumped into a ditch

and I sliced out my name.

So I had to be taken to hospital and I had 13 stitches and my leg was all strapped up.

Well, in the, in the whittical, they've got, it's like a medical wing, if you like.

It's got a couple of medical beds and the class is the sick bed.

So I was putting in there and I was lying in there and I couldn't sleep because you've

got tapping and the, of the pipes and the water dripping and I was down the bottom end

of the corridor, all by myself.

So I was away from all the other kids and everything, really, really scary.

So I get the crutches and I get out of beds and I walk to the staff room and in the staff

room there is a bed, a side cabinet and a chest of drawers and on the side bed cabinet

there is a, an alarm clock with an, a light that, like an adjustable light on top of

the alarm clock.

That was facing the wall.

So it was glowing up just that corner of the room.

So I've gone to the night room and Mrs. Morris, she was on duty that night.

What I thought was Mrs. Morris sitting on the end of the bed and I said,

Mrs. Morris, I can't sleep down in the sick bed, can I go back to my dorm please?

And all he had was, yes.

So I goes back to my dorm and then about an hour later Mrs. Morris is shone in a torch

in my face saying, there you are, I've been looking for you, when did you come back to

bed?

So I turned around and said, Mrs. I asked if I could go back to my dorm and you said, yes.

And she says, well, I've been downstairs for the last hour in Laundry doing all the

laundry for tomorrow.

So and she was the only member of staff on duty that night and I didn't speak, she said,

I didn't speak to her.

So who did I speak to?

Now the figure on the bed, I couldn't really make out because it was dark in the room apart

from just the corner that was lit up and she was sitting on the edge of the bed facing

the dressing table.

And I always saw it was like a dark silhouette.

So it didn't make out, it was Mrs. Morris.

But what I actually thought it was Mrs. Morris because she was the only one on duty.

So it was like, Miss, can I go back to my dorm because I can't sleep, she says yes.

So if I didn't speak to Mrs. Morris, who did I speak to?

Maybe it could have been a long past school nurse that still takes care of the pupils.

Yeah.

Well, apparently there was a story that went around that it was an old maintenance that died

of natural causes, what the top end of the building.

And apparently it's her ghost that walks the halls keeping an eye on the children.

That was a story.

So I spoke to the headmaster the next day after Mrs. Morris said that she was downstairs

on that.

And he turned around to me and said, oh yeah, it was probably the grey lady that he spoke

to.

I was only about 10 years old at the time.

So that scared the hell out of me thinking that I'd spoken to her ghost.

But it just, Mrs. Morris was downstairs for an hour.

So there was no other member of staff on duty.

And there was no other member of staff that stayed in the school at night time.

So I don't know who was spoke to and everything.

Well, you know, they say we are in death as we were in life.

Yeah.

Well, I never really believed in ghosts until recently because the amount of stuff that

I've been seeing on our page that we've got on our uprising page, the amount of ghost

stuff that's on there, the videos on everything that people have put up.

And it's like, there's got to be something to it for the amount of evidence that backs

it up.

Nobody knows what a ghost is.

People saying it's like a replay of somebody's life.

It's just captured a couple of seconds of their life and that's what we see.

But there's different forms of like ghosts.

So I don't know, I say I never really believed in ghosts until recently.

I'm believing in a lot more, there is something, I don't know what it is, but there is something

to it.

There's a lot more hauntings, there's a lot more coming out recently.

I don't know if it's because everyone's got phones now when everyone's got cameras and

everyone's all on the bandwagon, taking photos and everything on the internet now.

That looks genuine, that we can't argue with, that there is something to it, it's just

that it's actually finding out what it is.

There is indeed many people out there which have had paranormal experiences, I mean, I've

had plenty of people on this show, you know, a lot of times family members visiting or

they could be, you know, like you said, like a place memory, could play back.

So I had bad experience when I was younger because living with my real dad and my stepmom,

they managed to sign me out of one of the boarding schools that I was in and I went to go and

live with them for a while.

Well, my stepmom would class herself as a spiritualist, so that's some of the things

that she used to come out with.

It put me off the paranormal because to me it was just all bald, you know, she was making

it up.

And my stepmom was sitting in the chair one day because she said, he had a migraine.

I mean, she said that she bought his spirit out first at the top of his head, hence why

he had a migraine.

And I'm sitting in the chair just shaking me and going, this is a load of bull at 10 years

old.

So I think still like that has probably put me off over the years because there's like

a lot of fakeery out there and everything, but when you see the recent videos online,

some of the kitchen cobblets opening like in front of people or they're seeing like shadows

in the houses and things like that, now I'm starting to believe that there is something

to it.

I mean, I was always into the UFO side, I used to stay away from all the ghosts and the

cryptids and that, but I'm starting to believe a lot more in not just UFOs or other, I mean,

I've always believed in there is a big fault, there's too much evidence out there to say

that there isn't.

Well, also a lot of other cryptids like Mothman, the Rake, other cryptids like that, there

seems to be a lot more evidence to say that these things exist, obviously until somebody

actually catches one and puts it on one CD, then it's still going to be clusters, you

know, it doesn't exist.

But they said that about UFOs for 75 years that it didn't exist and then all of a sudden

they exist.

So, I'm not going to put anything down now in future, if anybody says ghosts are real,

then yeah, okay, if they're not ghosts are real, I'm not going to argue with it anymore.

I've seen a lot of lights in the sky, I've seen a lot of stuff in the sky, Lincolnshire,

I used to live up in Grimsby, I spent 13 years up there, I worked on the ducks for a while,

I've been out on a fishing boat for a while, a lot of factual work up there, I've used

to do a lot of night shifts, I prefer to do night shifts than work during the day.

Better conditions work in nights, there's hardly anybody about so you don't have to deal

with a lot of people, plus a lot of the air's cleaner as well, there's hardly any traffic

about so it's a lot easier.

So, I prefer to work nights, there's massive thunderstorms that come in from the North Sea

and it was over a place called Immingham, where there's a massive oil refinery and you

could see the thunder cloud because of all the lights from Immingham, which was all like

these orangey lights, they were all shining up to cloud, so you could actually see this

big thunder cloud, you could see the lightning going through it and that's been.

And then all these lights appear, all these balls of light, and they're all moving about

independently and they go into the cloud and then there's a big flash and then the ball

of light had come out of the cloud, well I stopped counting after about 50 light, there

was just no like fireflies, all of them, all flying about, going into the cloud, coming

out of the clouds, once they go into the cloud there's a big flash and then they come back

out again and they'd move, as the thunder cloud moves, I've had people turn around and say,

oh yeah, ball lightening or it's this, I knew that, and what I saw that night, it's not

ball lightening, these were independent white balls of light, there was intelligence, they

was moving under their own steam and it wasn't just me, I'm standing on my doorstep at

about three, three four o'clock in the morning, I've been cigarette, my landlord's he comes

down, he sees them, next door they're standing on their doorstep, they're seeing them, so

I rings the police to report it, they put the piece, put me through to a radar station

that's near Himmringham, they said, they couldn't see anything on radar, what they took

my name, address, the direction I was facing, what I was seeing, how many lights I was seeing,

then about two, three weeks later I get a letter telling me that due to interference,

static electricity interference, they couldn't get a good reading on the cloud, so they couldn't

give me any information, I've been trying to find a letter because it's amongst with almost

off, because I've been trying to get it to put it out online to show people my report,

as soon as I find it, I'm going to put it off, but also there was the time when I was

out in the North Sea, on a fishing boat, I only did it for a while because I can't stand

being out at sea, I get seasick, really easy, but so lights under the sea, green, really

like bright green light, I can't remember the name of the person I reported him to, but

he got in contact with me recently, tell me that all the people have been seeing green

lights in the North Sea, under the North Sea, so that sort of gave me vindication what

I was seeing and telling people.

When you say under the sea, so that it was at a depth maybe, it was just under the surface,

and I only knew him as Skipper, and I never knew he's the actual name, some of the other crew

I did know, like John and Kevin, but I only knew the Skipper as Skipper, that sort of

asked me to do him up, I did about three weeks on an off fishing, we was out in the

sea, it was only about say five mile off coast, so you could still see land on everything,

and it was about, I'd say, nine o'clock on the night, about five hundred, I'd say about

five hundred metres away, you could see the green glow in the water, and it would move,

and then it'd start, and then it'd move again.

Well, I said to Skipper, what's that, and he says, oh, I see these quite often, would he put it

down to, by an essence, the illuminations that some creatures can produce by themselves?

That's right, by an essence.

Yeah, that's it, so he put it down to that, so I just, yeah, okay, found off it, it's that,

and then I heard for the report from other fishermen saying that they'd seen green lights in

the North Sea as well, they're quite big as well, the green lights, I'd say there was about

30, 40 feet across, and in a circle, and he'd report it to say that he'd seen lights,

or the sailors that say, yes, we've seen same lights, and then I never thought that, I've been

living in Aberystwyth now for 20 years, I'd say I've spent 13 years up in Grimsby,

in that time, I'd never heard anything out about the green lights under the sea,

until recently when other people online have been reporting seeing these green lights

under the sea, which is exactly the same as what I was seeing 20 years ago.

Yeah, many reports come out of the North Sea, it's a very, can be very mysterious place.

I mean, when you were seeing these lights, you couldn't see any boats around.

Boats off in the distance, yeah, you get a lot of ships like oil and gas and ships going up

to the terminals, up the Humber, so you see a lot of those out, they'll all be grouped together,

at the mouth of the Humber, they're not allowed to sail up the Humber, they have to wait for

a pilot to come down, and then the pilot will sail the ship up the Humber, because of the

the sand banks and everything. Right. So at the mouth of the Humber, there was normally about

nine tanships or just waiting, and there's a lot of little fishing vessels as well,

that will maneuver in and out of all these big ships, because that's where all their fishing

pots are, and all the nets are, and things like that. I'm not sure if any of those

captains or sailors saw anything, they're up higher, they're up on the big ship, so they can see

a lot better on the sea, surface. But we never heard any reports from any of those, and these

ships are coming from all over the world, like Russia, China, America, you know, all over,

but we never heard any reports from any of them to say that there's green lights in the sea.

But over the years, there's been a load of people that have seen, that they've seen these lights

in the North Sea, and coming out of the North Sea as well. I'm not too sure what they do fish

up in the North Sea, but I know squid fishermen, now they use a green light to bring the squid to

the surface, but they're on a boat, and these lights, they're not submerged, not in the water.

If you see a squid fisherman, you know it's a fishing boat. Yeah, you get squid boats. The main

catch that we used to get was salmon, perin, halibut. Halibut was mainly off the Scottish coast.

I never went halibut fishing. It's dangerous halibut fishing. So we used to go, I'm just bringing

Macrawl or Crab, things like that, but I say I have to give it up because going out to sea,

I was never sick, I'd just get the sea sickness feeling, so I would have the map headache.

I'd feel like I want to be sick, the motion of the boats. Skipper always told me, keep your eye on

the horizon, don't look at the sea, don't look at the sky, just look on the horizon, and it does

help with the sea sickness. For the first three days, I was in upper broad, I couldn't do anything,

and you're out until the hoppers are full. Once all the hoppers are full, then you can go back to

shore, unload, you know, you get payment for your catch, and then you stop back off when you go

back out. So after three weeks of that, I thought, no, I can't do this anymore. I'd like to have

carried on just to see what the lights were in the sea.

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There was a report that a lot of people in Grimsby saw a big red ball of light in the sky.

Well I've seen balls of light, red balls, white balls, blue balls, all around Lincolnshire area.

We used to go off because to get the best place for stargazing you'd go out in the middle of the

field somewhere, away from all the lights. So we would go off into the middle of the field just

so we could see all the stars and the amount of stuff that you could see going over, not just

satellites or planes but other objects that don't move like a plane, don't move like a satellite,

darting all over the sky and everything. There is north coasts up in Grimsby. I was lying in

about guarding with one of my girlfriends. Both of us had a pair of binoculars and you're

looking through binoculars and you see more and more stars, stars way up in the distance and

we're both looking towards a riot and both of us at the same time see this ball of light moving

around the fleet all over the sky just darting near there and everywhere and then shooting up.

And both of us just stopped and went up, spaced the final front here and then start laughing and

then carry on stargazing. The next day with reports coming in that people had seen this ball of

light shooting across the sky and everything and it's the same light that we saw. I've had a lot

of sightings. I go off on my own with my night vision camera and my 4k camera, go down to the

cricket fields on the night and set everything up and then just sit there for hours just watching

the skies see what I can catch. Disappointing we ran here, I haven't seen that much. I am in the

middle of a case at the minute though, Aberystwyth had a craft come down in 1983 and it clicked some

trees and then shot off and it left a lot of debris behind and there's somebody that I know

that has got pieces of this craft that came down in Aberystwyth. Well Mark Olly he did a

video, like a film, about the crash in Aberystwyth. The classic is the Aberystwyth Roswell. He did

a documentary about it in 2011. Film in the case, Champions Witnesses, going to the actual location,

the debris were at over four farmers' fields. The next, the army turned up and they told everybody

to shut up, they didn't see anything keep quiet. Well, I was speaking to the

monoclepostee the other day and he remembers it very very well so I've got his account now

and I'm trying to get Mark Olly and another team together so we can go around the village just

outside Aberystwyth where the craft come down and interview him. Be careful what you say about

debris. There's a lot of people want to get their hands on items like that and shows like this are

also listened to by people which have an interest officially. I won't give the name of the person

that has this material but what he did do was he took this material and he made 100 key fobs

and put a little piece of this material in each key fob and then gave these key fobs out to people

well this person had the Ministry of Defence turn up and he turned around and said to them

if this material disappears or you try and make me disappear and you try there was a hundred key

fobs out there with instructions that if anything happens to me that these key fobs get tested

and I thought that was brilliant because he's actually taking on the government to say don't

mess about with me I've put out a hundred of these key fobs with this material and so he

tried to take my material it's still out there and I thought that was brilliant. Yeah it's always

good to have insurance it's always best when when you know something like this is to keep it

kind of close to your heart tell very little people and to you and get it tested because you know

that there's certain individuals which draw the Facebook pages they listen to podcasts you know

they do listen for this one specific reason. Well apparently he did get it tested and a lot of

the material you can't get on earth so there's no isotopes in it so we haven't got anything from

any nuclear tests where you get all the radiation on metals today the class it has dirty metal

because it's all basically contaminated with the testing that they did with all nukes they tested

this metal and it didn't have any like nuclear isotopes in it so they said that this can't be

it from earth you know put us a lot of the metals itself are not found on earth so that's that gave

it some like credibility that yeah this is material that's not from here. If it can be you know

with a scientific journal that would be good. Well I've asked Mark Olly if he can contact this guy

again both have been trying to contact him but he hasn't been well the guy that's got this material

how many still got it but it's under lock and key and it's hidden away which I don't blame him

he's I think he's getting on a bit now because this is 2011 that he did the interview and he's

getting on a bit then so me and Mark was wondering if he was if he was still about Mark said that

he had heard that he was still about but he wasn't given any more interviews I think what he

asked he's been imundated with people trying to trying to get contact with him and everything

there was a team in Swansea that managed to get an interview with him the Swansea UFO group

yeah I know yeah they managed to get an interview with him on camera and look at the material

in his in his possession it's a bit like that honeycomb where you've got a surface on one

side you've got the honeycomb in the middle and then you've got another surface it's that

top material but the green material on the outside is done with it's a bit like a bit like green paint

on the outside but when they tested the paint it's like anything that they've ever seen before

okay I'll be interested hearing about the findings of this

well me and Mark have been trying to contact him to find out if there's any more that he can give

us but I'm gonna have to get back in touch with Mark again and see if he can do something

but Mark Holley is his interview about the story about the the Aberystwyth

Roswell incident that's what they classed out can be found online he talked about the the crash

he talks about the the witnesses that he spoke to he gives a detailed area map area of the

or that she'd been to the village and I've spoken to a couple of people myself a lot of them don't

want to talk a lot of them as soon as you you say oh the incident in 1983 you know they turn the

back walk away they don't want to know I think a lot of people are still scared because there was

threatened years ago not to say anything yeah certainly certainly is possible yeah if I see if

I can find a link to that and I'll put it down in the description so our listeners can

can chase that up now Chris tell us about your dream from 2020 oh yeah I was asleep and I've

woke up I've had a really really strange dream I woke up and then I've wrote I've got this I've

got a book little like notebook and I opened the notebook and I quickly scribbled down

my dream and it was symbols it was loads of these like symbols writings and that well I just

justed it down no not thinking no just writing that for now and then on the group somebody has

put up a post saying that they've seen that have this writing and that well when I saw the writing

of this person it was very very similar to the writing that I've done in my book so I look

online and sure enough there's other people that have had similar writings like in dreams and things

this is what I keep saying I keep I still think I'm being I'm being taken and the writings I

reckon is what I saw inside the craft because these writings they they're just they're really weird

they're not like human writings no they're like ABCs and that these are squiggles and lines a little

dot-sable verb and like uh little zig-zags and little squirrels and that kind a little bit like

chiroglyphics if you like but but not the totally different yeah I was just I just woke up one night

and it was like well that was a really really strong strange dream so gets my walk gets my pen

just to all down and I couldn't I can't I can't fathom out how I managed to get these symbols because

they're not like your writings that you do every day you know these are just weird symbols but

when I've checked out on other other pages online or what other writings on that they're very very

similar and I gave Dave Dave Hodren these a copy of the picture or the the writings and he tried

to decipher them because other people have been trying to decipher them to try and find out what

they are he couldn't sort it out he even went through a lot of other writings that other people

have tried to figure out and we couldn't sort that out either yeah it was just it was just weird

now to our listeners Dave Hodren is uh is from the the Birmingham UFO group and uh and Dave did

Chris's case so what I'll do is I'll leave a link to Chris's case below in the in the show notes

and then you can go and visit and check out these what Chris has experienced and also the strange

symbols that he jotted down his notebook what do you remember the dream you had that night

I remember walking along the beach I'm not sure if it's the beach here at another beach

in the dream I was walking along the beach and then these symbols just kept flashing in my head

and then you'll just woke up but I woke up I was sweating I was sweating buckets and it wasn't

quite warm that night either it was bloody cold but I'd woke up I was sweating buckets and he was like

that was really really strange so I just grabbed my book my pen and just jotted down what I could

remember there was flashing light as well I remember but I don't know if that was in the dream or if

the flashing light was after the dream you should know I mean it was just strange because these

symbols just kept flashing into my head and I'd just have to write them down and start to put it down

well then when I checked with the people online they had similar experiences with these symbols

some of the symbols actually matched some of them was different there was a couple that actually

matched so it was like oh okay I'm having the same experience with other people rather

if anyone has a since-trained symbols in their dreams go take a look at Chris's drawings

and see if you know they look similar or you've seen them similar else maybe I'm sure Chris would

like some answers yeah I'd like a lot of answers to the experiences that I've had especially

one of us five I really want to find out what happened when I was five it stayed with me for

all my life I think about it all the time I just want to know that if they did take me what they

did to me you had these experiences in the mid-70s what advice would you have for people which

have had experiences and you know light yourself never shared them share it takes a lot of pressure

off you if you share your experience don't worry about being ridiculed don't worry about people

taking the mic out of your you believe that's all that matters don't matter what anybody else says

at the end of the day there was thousands and thousands of people that are going through exactly

the same as what you are going through so talk about it talk to your friends talk to your family

go on sites go on to like Facebook onto the groups join the groups chat to people it does help

especially if you're having problems and you can't understand what's been going on talk about it

there is people that are willing to listen that have been through exactly the same as what you're

going through and that they are there to help I am absolutely over the moon with Dave, Nathan, Luna

they've all helped help me in it in their way in like talking and understanding not taking the

mic he not not pointing me down not ridicule me or anything they actually listen and understand

so talk to people don't feel ashamed don't feel embarrassed don't feel that you're feeling stupid

or anything if you've got something that's really niggling that yeah talk about it why is words

crystal this is what we need to do because there's a lot of people in silence a lot of people see

things and they put it down so I'm on seeing things or I'm being stupid no you see something

reported to us reported to your friends family whatever the best thing to do is talk about it get

it off your chest get it out in the open because believe me there's thousands and thousands of people

out there are going through exactly the same as what you're going through so don't feel ashamed

don't feel embarrassed talk about it that's great Chris thanks Nick Chris I really appreciate

you coming on sharing that for our listeners it's been wonderful speaking to you take care Chris

okay and we will speak soon okay Nick you take care of me now you're morning welcome anytime

all right take care well there cheers mate that's all for today keep updated and connected with the

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tonight and thank you all for listening I will be back next week till then stay safe and keep

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