Ep.211 A Midsummer Night (Throwback)

You don't do a 517. Do you want to report a UFO?

I'm taking it. We need to want to report.

Erie's 31. Do you wish to report a UFO over?

We want to report one of those data.

Erie's 31. Do you wish to file a report of any kind of a?

I wish I would kind of report a wildfire.

Erie's 31, me neither.

You're a 7-1 particle, good.

What's that?

It's a satellite.

I love us, the path looks like 30 seconds to go.

A 7-1 particle, negative.

Okay.

Topped it.

Are you a UFO?

Yes.

It's emergency, 90.

Yes.

Topped it, passed over.

It's...

Fuck us.

Don't know what it was.

But it was from the atleast to 3000 above us.

The eye passed right over the top of us.

911.

You guys move in.

You were just called off to be on the floor of the bus.

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I'm Nick Hanser and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast.

Tonight we are joined by Tad calling from New Zealand and Tad's encounter occurred mid

summer of 1989 just outside of Stratford upon even in the UK while camping with his wife

in a crop field.

Tad is up next.

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Hello Tad, welcome to the show.

Hi Nick.

Thank you for coming on today and calling from New Zealand.

It's pleasure to be here, absolutely invited.

It's great to have you here.

Now Tad you have an encounter to share with us so would you like to start at the very beginning

please sir?

Sure.

It started in 1989 and in those years, the favourite thing from me and my partner and

my wife was motorcycle touring with a little 250 trail bike and a lot of the weekends when

the weather was good we used to go around the back quarters of Britain, let's say in

the quiet places and maybe chat into locals in the pub and having local ale and we'd often

just truck up to a village and ask if anyone did camping, sometimes there were campsites,

sometimes there was people who said, oh yeah, you can camp here or quite often it was

farmers say, oh yeah, I've got a field where I sometimes let people camp and that was

the best because you woke up in the morning and you had a whole field to yourself, it was

beautiful.

You're out in the countryside and then we'd spend the day touring around just taking

in the sights and on this particular trip we decided to do that kind of thing but also

taking a play at the Royal Shakespeare Theatre in the Stratford.

So we go to a little village outside Stratford and we just pull up outside a shop and go

in and say does anyone do camping, we get pointed to a farm and the farmer says, yeah,

you can go down the back of my farm, there's a big field down there, you're welcome.

And it was a crop field, it was a really big field and it had been, the crops have been

reaped and so we trendled down into that field and in the middle there's a cups of trees

and a little pond over there, let's set up camp there and we noticed there's lots of

stubble strewn around everywhere so we gather up a heap of that and put it under a little

dome tent and that's going to be comfortable for the night and we do the same when we put

a ground sheet on it and that's going to be a comfortable place to sit like an outdoor

divan.

So that done, we decided to go into town and see if we can get tickets for the performance

and it was amidst summer's night stream, fantastic performance and later on we're coming

back and it's dark and we drive through the farm yard and pass the outbuildings and through

the gates and down into the field, it's slowed down towards the ponders and side of a cup

of tea so we're sitting there having a cup of tea looking out of the countryside, it's

a beautiful, fairly warm evening and it's time for bed and Sarah is going to tidy up

and she's got that camping and she's just going to get the bed sorted and tidy up and

I thought well I like you and I'm doing Stargazing so I did and I'm Stargazing enjoying

it, feeling very happy to start of a holiday, very peaceful, lovely evening, look at the

stars and that thing happens where your eyes adapt and then all of a sudden you see a lot

more stars and then as you keep just staring at puts you see another layer of stars, you

see like you've seen further into the sky at night but then things started to get strange

you know, this sort of experience I've been able to see further and further took a grip

on me, it wasn't me doing it or allowing it to happen as I was you know just and focusing

and letting more light come in, it was if I was up there in the sky and I could see

a huge grid of stars and then I go through it and then I'd be seeing further and it was

more than seeing it was like I was still lying on the ground sheet but I was it was part

of my consciousness was up in the sky who was quite strange and I just I suppose it was

something like remote viewing or asphalt travel, it wasn't those things but that's the

only sort of frame of reference I can put it in so anyway I was one minute I'm right

up into space and the next I'm back on the ground sheet and I get up a little bit wobbly

but no and the way I didn't really shake me that much and I could see Sarah still just

to pair in the tent for the night and I noticed a change in the atmosphere and the whole

area around us it's it's as if time was going a little bit slower everything seems to

be gravig or more serious it was a little bit like that those few moments in a theater

where they dim the lights everyone's quiet and if there's a sense of anticipation something

is about to happen except I didn't know what was about to happen it was and even it was

like there was a thing to look more different it was there's a mode on some TVs I've had

called cinema mode and the the colors are a bit richer and the blacks are a bit blacker

they do something with a contrast there's more contrast and I just don't know where this

atmosphere is coming from and then you'll notice in the cups of trees that's moved by this

into these colored lights and it's as if someone's strong fairy lights in these big trees

and not many of them but I'm trying to get a grip on other is that really there I say to

Sarah do you see those lights as she says yeah I can see those and I'm thinking well no I don't

this can't be I try to understand it as maybe there's lights in the distance maybe there's some

houses or something between you know behind the trees and I can't see them and then there's

shining through the trees and then I realize that no there's no hills or houses over there

and something or this is a strange effect it was disconcerting because now they're becoming

mesmerizing and they're they're actually little glows little balls of light and just in

in and of themselves not shining and there's a they're very they're centrelating and they're

taking your attention and they're coming on and off and in patterns and there's a red one and

there's a white one and there's an aqua blue and there's something like an orange of it

sienna and they're moving in a little circle pattern and now they're rising into the higher branches

and not only that now time seems to slow down just to beat again things are happening

slowly and I'm getting transfixed and I started to realize that behind the lights or with the lights

there's something big there's something there but I can't see it and it's either in the trees or

it's behind the trees and it's almost like there's a big huge black mist and it's forming or

taking on shape and looking back in now I remember a joke who just tells kids which was

how do elephants hide in the forest they climb up the cherry trees and paint their toenails red

it was like something using these lights to hide there was something going on and then

all of a sudden I realized there's something there it's just that I'm refusing to see it

and then it's like I can see a bit more of it and it's it's interacting with me

it's almost as if I need to countenance it being there so it can manifest and it's like it's

delving into my subconscious it seems if it's got a shape it definitely wants to be

but we've got in the go-shake well that shape is what what it needs to be so that I will see it

because I don't want to see it and I don't really don't want it to be there but it's it's insistent

and it keeps getting more and more definite and real until all of a sudden it's taken shape

it's taken manifest it it's there and for a second I blanked it out and I'm not

taking that in but then it really is then it's not but above the trees and it's a it's a craft

and the the little lights that were flashing they're now embedded in it's out of shell

and they're still doing that flashing thing which is really mesmerizing so just in or not

not totally scared of it freaked because this is this is a natural and it's about the size of a

double deck of bus and I could could have thrown a tennis ball and hit it and it's just hover in

there silent and I'm thinking good grief this this is a UFO encounter it didn't I didn't

I didn't realize earlier it was so it was so paranormal it was like a bigger cult magical

outdoor theater spectacle show not like you know flying saucers zipping here and there this thing

manifested and it was changing time changing space affecting my consciousness and it was

creating a huge huge atmosphere in the whole area and it's there I kind of thought oh I don't

want it to be there I don't want to be here this this is a natural this is this is this was

it's a transgression it was you know at least it was very cheeky at the the worst it was very

opportunistic and yeah and then I noticed that in the field beyond our field there's some vehicles

coming towards us like well they were quick because I think they're four wheel drive vehicles and

just see like tops and they're white four by fours and they've got headlights and I'm trying

as they're coming nearer it's the same kind of thing I can't take it in I I wanted to be things

that they're not they weren't four by fours they were actually these little box and craft about

the size of you know if you cut the top of a SUV off and painted it all white and stacked one

light and they were very close to the ground in the back three or four of them and they were

coming towards us and it's like a zigzag path and wow it's just getting busy and

next I noticed that there were two orbs they were like beach ball size and they were like

curly white and they were along the hedge rows coming left and right as I look down this big field

and I remember thinking wow they're they're moving like barn owls they've seen a barn owl once and

it's a hunt spy sort of fluttering up and down really close to the hedge line and they were doing

that they were traveling the straight lines of a bouncing and fluttering and you know taking the time

moving down the fields towards us and one past just out of vision on the right and one past just

out of vision on the left and both and that changed things for me it was a give me a joke I thought

I've been flanked they're going to be behind us soon and there was something about these things being

in front and behind that I really didn't like and I just it used I got alarmed I used it seemed to

be able to use it alarm to shake myself out of the mesmerizing effect of the big craft in the lights

and I know I'm looking at it and now it's scary it's it's so big and I just didn't know

what was going to happen next what its capabilities were what its intention was what it could do what

I should do and it's just there and that's going to go a kind of some people call it a download

or a message and I don't know where it came from whether it was from the craft or whether it came

upwards from like a joint universal subconsciousness it wasn't like a thought in my head is like like

a like a message it was very clear and it said this is the other could it be like we are the

other you just got a message and this has always been happening like this isn't you know random

or rare you know this happens and it's just just hasn't happened to you and then the next thing was

if you want to say safe you really should walk away and that's when I thought okay yeah I agree

time to act like a shepherd and get the flock out of here and so I said Sarah hey let's go

and I realized as I'm looking at it she's totally in a trance now transpires that she hasn't seen

anything since the original little fairy lights you know a little down in the trees and she just

went into a trance that's last year remembers so I gave her a shake and I say can you get

get in the tent and get my knife which she does and she isn't seen any but you can tell by

my tonal voice that this is something serious and so as I let's go and that's when she catches a

glance at the craft and this is where our memories diverge I'd say that you know we beat a dignified

retreat she says we ran like hell at the fields towards the farm when she's probably right and when

we get there we get the outhouses and we stop near a carol and there's two donkeys in there

wickering and they're obviously very upset and weeding back and forth but after a while we get there

they they calm down and I sense that we kind of like on the edge of this sphere of influence

we're attempting to run into the village and wake everybody up and they coming up at that but

I don't know I something was saying like yeah you do that and you go back and there's nothing

there you don't look like a right idiot so we just stop and we watch and this has been going on

for a while now we're watching them we realize they've got a mission they they seem to be due

purposeful things the the orbs are making for the lattice towers of the electricity system the

electricity pylons big ones they were and they're showing a lot of interest and they're weaving in

an atom and up and down them so one one side of field with a lattice tower one the other side

of the field with a lattice tower and so that's what they're doing the big the big craft which is

the shape it's taken is I describe it as a slightly squat d20 the type of

die you use for dungeons and dragons which is really strange I've never played that game but

that's it was in a multi-sided and matte black and just sucking in the light and it's just then

it's just audacious just you know to just a piano know and just stick around and the white the white

things the boxy little craft they seem to be doing a grid search a big wide grid search and they'd

like moving covering all the area of the big field beyond us and this goes on for some time

I think the whole episode took perhaps 20 minutes in all and eventually the big d20 thing

that rises up a bit and starts moving off and the the white craft underneath it lower down like

head row level they're going with it and the robes are going and they're slowly meandering down

this big huge valley into the distance and there's quite a relief when that happened

and it didn't last long because all of a sudden on the other side of the horizon there's this

two new craft nothing else too much once this is ridiculous this I don't want any more but as they

approach they've got flashing lights I get the jet engines and I realize they're two fighter jets

and they're they're converging you know like a V-shaped they're quite low down they're converging

on the the object the craft which is now off into the distance and they pass us and they've

gained near and near of craft and I don't know it's hard to tell now things are in the distance

what the distances are but they get fairly close and this thing just zips into the sky in a way like

just the incredible speed just leaves them in its dust honestly if he was trying

try to make them look silly or taunting them and they go off and that's it and the strangest thing is

we walk down to the tent and we don't talk about it we just zip up and go to sleep have a good time

sleep get up in the morning pack down the tent pack down all our things strap it to the bike drive

off and it's not until we stop for the first stop to get some petrol and get some breakfast and after

that's over we're sitting there on the concrete slab somewhere it's at the garage

and I say we did see those things last night didn't we and Sarah says yeah and we just recap what we

saw and yeah but mainly we just got on with the rest of our lives the rest of our holiday and

it's oh that was 30 years ago and it's only recently that I thought much about it you know

once in a blue moon you said oh I remember nothing you saw what that was it what where did they

come from but it wasn't a big thing and didn't you didn't tell people because you know this

if they haven't seen something like that they're unlikely to believe you

I hate a phase where every day that the memory really vividly was coming back to me here and

unbidden and it was every day I thought about it and this it would like roll like a cinema roll and

I thought I could do something about this I don't want to keep having this memory it's what

this means something there must be something for me to do with it or do about it

it didn't I couldn't make me meaning out of it like read a few books and things and thought well

I'm not going to if everybody else can't and I thought it must be a must get the story out into

the world I think I think that it so I wrote it down and I wrote a short story to the best of my

ability and I sent it to someone I had a blog and they posted it and the whole mashed potato

imagine a mashed potato thing with the compulsion think of this event went I have a sense that

it was solved so that's my story very very interesting so the the object you said it like a d20

die so that was would have been like a polyhedron yeah polyhedron shape okay and about the size of

double decker bus yeah so a big object where you first saw the the lights like the fairy lights

in the trees that area there is it a heavily wooded area or is it like a corpse of trees

just a corpse of trees it's strange I mean it's kind of like

it was using the lattice of the trees to allow me to join the dots do you know what I mean

you get the other kids picture books where you join the dots sure yeah you draw the

between the numbers and you often hear people UFO encounters saying oh rooms just above the tree line

and there's always this phrase just above the tree line and yeah this thing took shape in behind

the trees because it was like a matrix you could look through and put lines but meaning on and then

it was if once if I'd allowed it to I'd allow myself to recognize something of the shape

there's a feedback we'll be okay now we're getting some others and we're going now okay try

was trying on this size this size and once it got to something where I couldn't ignore it

from force on its day it's no longer semi solid it's like the solid craft the the service

Matt Blacken was there any lights on the object yeah the same lights that would started it all off

we're now like embedded in the corners so it's like it detached themselves and then reconnected

well I don't know I like they were things of their own when I first saw them so I can't

tell if they detached or not or if you know they were put there then they were absorbed I didn't

see that they're just like one you know one minute they were independent things and then

something formed and it seemed to absorb them into its outer surface for the purpose of keeping

the mesmerism going totally fascinating gorgeous beautiful colors because we were so close it was

like first of all there's these little colored globes of light moving around in the trees and

there's just them I mean the lower down in the trees there wasn't enough to hide a big craft like

that it's and it's only when they moved up and then this mist formed around them and then as they go

higher and higher they're all setting this things that they're concretizing so it couldn't if

it that's why I tell the joke about the elephant you couldn't have hidden this thing behind those

trees or I was saying there would be if it was was solid and always solid you would have just seen

it because it was bigger and wider than the trees and this was in 1989 and this this memory is

still quite fresh yes yeah it's it's like just came back and because it's played so many times

it's there I can like and put myself back in that field I remember the sequence of events

I can remember what we thought our first impression of what what this was all about

I'm not saying this is what it is but we'll try to put it into a frame of reference I thought well

my my stargazing was like an e-curve setting off an emergency signal because

that was like a signal going right up into the sky and I thought oh I'm supposed to trigger something

and then what the craft was doing was it seemed to be a search because of the grid like pattern

they seem to be looking for something I don't know what they're looking maybe they sort of this

one of our kind down there someone had sent up a message and they just found two monkeys

they were out they're disappointed I don't know I don't know and but now I just I just say that

because I was just like a first impression sure and you you seem to have before you witnessed it

you seem to have connected with with something it's strange that either you were meant to be there

to witness this yeah do you feel perhaps that was that may have been the case I I feel it's

a possibility there's other possibilities you genuinely don't don't you know I mean

years later more recently I've seen correspondences of what I did or what was

induced in me first as a form of ice or 75 that's got parallels but it's it's just very

surprising that I did something about a unintentionally and being not knowing what I was doing so

possibly a hit on something a mental state accidentally or maybe it was induced in me so that

the events could unravel and although there seemed to be purpose for like I don't know if it was

or not it is also equally just seem to be a bit of a show but you know a bit of a show for us

yeah beyond that I just don't know what they were doing there or why I did I did like you how you

described it in the email you said perhaps a bit like closing counters if the director was Alistair

Crowley yeah yeah that's exactly right it was you know it wasn't like metal craft of beings in

zooming around and beaming you down and you or it was a bit quasi technological a bit AI but

it was a bit it has a feel of paranormal I mean it's in that area where it was happening when

we were slightly on the edge of it looking back now I get the sense of it's like two two worlds mixing

and then we're going to describe it is I've got a phishing of rocks of big man named harbours and

natural harbours and a high tide that you get the incoming tide mixing with the outgoing tide

and there's that point where there's two it's all water but there's two bodies of water it's all

the sea but they're not the same and then they can't quite easily mix but you can tell there's a

difference or by big history whether saltwater is mixing with clear water you've got a I got

strong sense of that looking back on it not at the time but I'm thinking there was something going on

where yeah two two realities to dimensions just merging for a while interesting that certainly

is an interesting one now prior to that experience in 1989 did you have an experience before or

even any interest no no no real interest obviously you hear it see the thumbpress encounters and

you hear the odd report I dreaded well for a long time ago just because I'm never brought

it home from a bring them by sale and it's by Timothy Good and I thought that was interesting

but it wasn't a topic for me I did hear from friends of surfers from the village who were

grew up they used to go down the west Wales and apparently there was a bit of a flat going on

down have a quest area and they used to go surfing sometimes and the surfers have done there and then

they'd stop and they go to a particular place high up somewhere and we're often a lot in those days

they'd see some UFOs and then so people who didn't surf used to go along with them to see the

UFOs and I was a young teenager and I was a word of mouth so the air that is true haven for the

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yeah there was a there's one thing I'd use later I came across a painting on a website there's

a painting of a little white boxy craft and I thought oh I know what that is and he was

painted by a guy called Michael Boone's and he saw three of these things he's writing a bike

in the southwest of england somewhere and between these crop fields and he saw these things making

a little tracks they were flying so low and apparently the next day they were in the field where it's

seen them but didn't stick around there was a popsicle but again that's just an observation I make

I'm not saying the things I saw were doing anything like that they could have been but

well I mean you were in you're in a countryside and a crop field so you never you never know

after you left yeah I didn't know what was in the other field if I don't know the pattern of

being mode it's obviously really possible but I might ask you if it's if when you have the time if

you could maybe do a sketch maybe look a diagram of the position in a way you were in this and the

object and then the the accompanying objects okay yeah I'll have a go just really so the listeners

can have something go to the website and then they can have a look maybe at the diagram if that's

possible and do you and Sarah still discuss it? No not really before coming on your programme

I discussed it in a little chat and what did she say she says she feels that it's

it affected her and that she's never felt quite comfortable under the starry skies at night

she goes there but she's never wanted to look up and stargaze after that experience and she said

actually well why we were in the sort of on the outhouses of the farm she would have been more

comfortable getting the hell out of there which you know is a normal reaction yeah and everybody's

different but I'd find it difficult but harder to believe someone who said oh I was there in this

this thing the two eyes and there's a UFO and it was amazing and joyous and I don't know I

I think there's something a bit more primordial if you see something like that I tell you how I felt

when I sort of gained my senses I felt I think how a lab rat must feel when it's presented with a

cat for the first time you realize that you're you've got something in front of you

beyond your can you don't know what it is you don't know what it can do but something kicks in

and it tells you you know this is this is something beyond totally beyond your control and

knowledge and I think most people would be at least very apprehensive of not damn right scared

but then I wasn't in full possession of my faculties well I was looking at the pretty lights

and the mesmerism was taking effect so even I forced myself to come too that I had a reassessment

of my situation and I wouldn't like to see one again I mean maybe with a lot of people at the

distance but no not even they're not you know points and yeah I wouldn't because it would be

it would be the same situation I mean I don't think it was evil taking good it was like some

credibly amazing technological thing that was indifferent I mean if it wanted to communicate

something it could have but who was just as if I were here now you've always been doing this

like don't get worried this happens all the time just you haven't seen it before it doesn't mean

doesn't happen just toddler like you know you better just wander off which was I was good advice

well you didn't seem to be in any danger you know that's the you know that's the main thing

well no but obviously you know about a reduction there's obviously sometimes harmful effects

of radiation but mainly it's the unknown you don't know what you know this big huge craft is

deploying little craft all around here and there and then two of them are gone behind you I mean it's

like I suppose I'd describe it say you're in a foreign country like you're in I don't know

a countryside of Venezuela and a dodgy looking bar and you go in you suddenly realise someone spiked

the drink of your your girlfriend she's she's you know she's all rosy and losing you're feeling

a little bit rosy and you notice that there's two guys gone around to the back entrance of the bar

you know that's enough you get out of there don't you yeah where's my knife where's my gun

get out of here something's wrong exactly it's self-preservation you know you're out your depth

you're out your comfort zone you know you just need to make a retreat you know an exit

yeah and and we didn't talk about it that's that's odd and I a lot of people don't do that they don't

talk about it with a person experiencing with them that is true yeah very I regularly I hear that

the way Sarah reacted that's you know that's sometimes very common the trans like states of being

bewitched is probably the best the best way describing it I hear very similar accounts to this

sometimes I can hear a count and it's like I've heard this before I know this account but people

that contact me you know they a lot of time they haven't been on any other shows you know that

and stuff so a lot of these accounts seem similar in many ways different shapes I get many different

shapes I don't think I've had a polyhedral night I don't think I have I'm not going to say I haven't

because obviously I deal with so many people be interesting if anyone gets in contact that I've

maybe had a similar experience to this not necessary in its entirety just maybe that the lights

in the forest or or even possibly the the shape of the object yeah I don't think the shape is too

important Sarah saw it a little bit more squash than I did but the shape was something that we

agreed on for the manifest but it's it's more the I'd expect the atmosphere to be the same

the slowing down of time the the seriousness of everything it's almost like a cinema or a dream

the mesmerism it's I'd expect that to come through in a lot of accounts so things are close up

yeah it's interesting that you say manifest like it's been like it was created it was creating

itself with my permission and my involvement wanted to be there and it wanted to be a certain type

of shape and form but that wasn't definite it was just it was becoming it was like a conjuring

started with the little lights and that locks you in then locks your consciousness in it it's got

your attention and then you can use use your attention and use your focus to delve into your mind

to say well okay perhaps I look more like this will you be able to see me now will you see me now

because there's definitely a mechanism that I don't know if you couldn't see it it can't get real

that's hard to describe it went from nebulous to slightly more solid and more dense the egg

more dense and then there's something there I can't see it yes no I can see it there's something

there is something there and it's like oh my god there's something big there why can't I see

this big thing is it far off no it's it's it's really close and then once you lock into an

agreed shape and then you can see actually all of a sudden manifesting going from insubstantial

as if like a ghost was to become like a real person right it's interesting because that is

another similarity now sometimes when people have had experiences with entities for instance

sometimes you'd have people where they'd see the being the entity as one form and others would

see it as something else it could be you'll see in what you can accept maybe or whether it to make

it easier for you or whatever so that's certainly interesting yeah the point of the show is is

making people aware that these things go on and the other side of the show is not so much entertainment

I know it's a podcast but it's more more of a some people can come and get it off their chest

and in turn you know maybe help others to deal with it because not everyone is accepting or

is blasé with the subject you know some people have some very traumatic experiences yeah it's

difficult for people to adjust because you know it's not the norm so to speak and I think you're

doing some quite important in building up a historic record I'm never sure of accounts I mean

literally get them daily it's it's a point where I can't process them fast enough okay you're drinking

from a fire hydrant yes yeah absolutely but you're curating them you're collecting them you're putting

them in a place I mean you could end up with a body of work that deserves to go into rice

university as a as a record the people in the future can look back on you know we we may know

that we don't know now but at a certain point there could be breakthroughs and understanding

and then you've got all these witness accounts yeah are more than on a written page though

you know you speak to people and you get insights in terms of the emotional impact or whether

people are telling the truth or you're getting a wide variety people say yeah we should be studying

more about the witnesses say there's a lot of people focusing on what they think is happening but

you're more clean you're more pure you're just allowing the stories to unfold and then they're there

now in a really accessible form absolutely I mean the subject is complex it's a very complex subject

to the deep you the deep you go into it I'm not talking about what you see on TV and all that kind

of stuff it's it's a complex subject and when you mix it with human beings which can be complex

also you know people have different reasons for doing things and people see things differently

and have dip you know it's people are very complex I know I know that so when you mix the two

it's it's difficult I avoid people which are on the lecture circuit or ever all the UFO channels

and all that I avoid us I try and keep just everyday people and for people which I have on a show

which in their later years they come to me and they've never shared these accounts before

and I just feel that to have them on record somewhere their story their account will never

never die when they pass it's always going to be available and I hope one day you know somewhere

here a certain episode and they can take some details from it whether it's their own experience or

for research and he might not so long go from a scientist and he said that he'd listen to the show

by mistake right he said he wasn't something he was ever interested in and some one of his

colleagues said you know he should listen to this account and he said he listened and he listened

to other episodes and it went on from there and he said this isn't something I've ever been

interested in by field areas grounds for some kind of research be looked into a little bit more

seriously that's interesting yeah so so hopefully you know good things can come out come out like that

other day they will I'm quite sure they will as has it becomes less of a taboo topic and more

possible for people to study it to work out what's going on rather yeah yeah some people say it's

just totally beyond us it's obviously something totally beyond us to fathom because you know my

story I started off seeing you know fairy lights floating in the woods and you know it could have

ended there and obviously D20 set off the radar somewhere so that's something okay to me it was

about shown a full spectrum of things very nevertheless very consciousness interactive and all

of a sudden that those objects were there independent of us and the Royal Air Force got alerted

and which was I thought well that's quite good actually I quite liked seeing them you know on

guard because you know it took for some from one perspective those things should not have been

this is our reality this is our world it was trespassing I know there's sound very welcoming but

yeah you know you wouldn't like to wake up in the morning and find you know a tank from a foreign

army in your garden you'd think you know get out that's right but you know it could be the

other way around we could be the trespasses yeah how'd how so but the point with with the the

RAF's involvement tells us that something happened you know something physical something was picked

up on their radar and you know and they set off to maybe chase these objects the best the best

they they can so you know there is that something which which definitely happened but how would we

be trespassing on these things or these because it felt to me like they're coming into our reality it

was a just a natural appearance it was like oh gosh this shouldn't I know you can explain that

in terms of no that's me I've got a friend reference so this is what I think can and should

happen an awesome like I come into contact with something it's just because I haven't experienced it

before doesn't mean it's natural yeah so I see what you're saying yeah they they could be equally

I could be their home as well just because I haven't seen around so yeah we have we have these

these strange experiences that happen we have paranormal experiences it could be that that you know

the two worlds live side by side and and now and again you know it's like a like a like a window

like a mirror and sometimes the other side incurs onto the onto the one side so it could be a bit

of both could be that they've been here a lot longer than us you know if you go back the olden

times with the legends and the folklore and and all the old fairy stories so obviously they've

been around for for a very long time yeah I see I could see now how my stargazing could have

been an impingement into their world like a spike of light or something appearing and it was

their version of the RAF going up to look and see who's who's that cheeky burger come into our world

yeah figuratively you've just opened up a whole new world yeah absolutely

pierced the veil pierced the veil and was into their reality and then so they they came to see it

and we were in a mixed a mixed situation for a while like you were saying interesting and you're

going to you're going to think about this and I will think about this as well this is interesting

so sometimes you know you you have a page there's more questions that then get added and but less

answer just more more more questions listen to that that's interesting I enjoyed that to add

yeah me too Nick thanks very much for giving me the opportunity to tell my story you are more

than welcome it's been lovely meeting you dad I really appreciate you coming on the show and

sharing that for our listeners pleasure that's great take care yourself and I'll talk soon bye bye

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