EP 1561 - Max Kremer Vs. The Clam-spiracy

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1:04Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of Dead Rather Radio. I'm your host, Jason Carvener. I'm having a great day. Hope you guys are having a great day too. Hope you guys are having tons of fun. Doing whatever you're doing today is one of our many episodes. It's a smaller episode than normal just because of my mouth problems. This is your first episode that he's zero cents, but trust me, the rest of the episode won't sound that you better. We're going to talk about a reoccurring character on Dead Rather Radio as well. This isn't the best first episode to listen to, but you know, you gotta get started somewhere. But someone who never has to get started doing anything because he's always already doing it. He's the quantum chore machine. Everyone get on your feet and give it a four. Rico in Uncle Poco. He's running on in and doing everything all at once. I never saw that movie. So the clapping is not for that movie. The clapping is for Rico. Rico made a donation during her Thanksgiving livestream. That is why he's Thanksgiving. It's March, bro. I know.

2:05Rico gave a donation during the Thanksgiving livestream. That is why he's going to be our captain or pilot this episode because he can't spread the show financially through the livestreams or the Patreon or the merch store. It's totally fine. It really is. Just help spread the word about Dead Rather Radio. Tell your friends, tell your family, tell everyone you know. Dead Rather Radio is your favorite paranormal show. That is how you can help the show grow. Also, someone did buy some merch recently. Oh, that reminds me of something. Someone did buy some merch recently. If you buy the merch, send me a photograph of it. And you can get a shout out as well. And also, there's a bit of a mystery going on here at the Carpenter Residence. Last week I came home and there was a portable DVD player had been shipped to me via Amazon. And it didn't come from anyone I know. So my second guess is it came from one of you guys because I have a wish list. The name is on wish list that you can purchase stuff from and send to me. But there was no note. There was no note. Usually when a listener sends me something, they at least let me know their name.

3:08Usually jot a little note down, but nothing. Just a brand new portable DVD player and I don't know who sent it to me. And I called it my friends. They didn't send it to me. They called it my family. They didn't send it to me. None of you may have sent it to me. So then that makes me think, what if the government sent it to me? I honestly like, listen, here's the thing. When I talk about Max Kramer, I have to admit, we're basically two sides of the same coin. I can constantly talk about how crazy he is, but I get a free portable DVD player. And I go, you know what? This would be the perfect way for the government to infiltrate this operation here. I mean, trust me, I'm sure they spent a lot of money on listening devices. I'm sure if you brought in one of those like microphone detectors, it would blow up. There's probably all sorts of listening devices in this place, but I don't know if that sounds a little. He continues to go, what? The government spends millions of dollars monitoring me. Not like I don't put all my thoughts out for free on the internet, but I go to the government.

4:08Could be a bomb, right? I thought about that. So this is legit. This is legit. When I got it, I didn't know who it came from. I called up a couple of people. They didn't send it to me. So I didn't charge it up immediately because I thought, what if it's a bomb? Like I want to be here while it's, you think it's a bomb and I'm laying on top of it like a mother in? No, I thought I don't want to plug it in and let it charge overnight while I go to bed because what if it catches on fire? Plus also, it's like, I mean, not whoever sent it to me, it's totally fine. I'm not complaining, but it's like an off brand. It's an off brand one. Sorry, I didn't buy you a Sony one, you jerk. No, you know what I mean? Like I get an off brand DVD player and that's probably what I would have purchased anyways, but you don't know if it's going to burst into flames in the middle of the night. So also, the government may have sent it to me. So I didn't plug it in until the next day when I was awake, almost staring at the outlet in my eyes right next to it. I'm getting electrocuted. I blame the government for this. I don't know who sent it to me.

5:09If you sent it to me, let me know. I can give you a shout out. But yeah, now that they crossed my mind, what if the government, this is their newest listening device? They're like, oh, we'll just buy him stuff that he loves. That'd be a perfect way to get into a house, right? But nowadays, you know, they can just tap in your phone, tap in your PC and all that stuff. I don't know who sent it to me. If he sent it to me, let me know. Also, I got a bunch of stickers to send out too. If you haven't gotten your sticker, that's why I haven't sent them, but I will send them out. Things have been chaotic. Right now, this week, hopefully. Let's go ahead and get started with the episode. Rico and Al Capulco. I'm going to go ahead and touch you. Oh, I got a new vehicle for this one. I'm surprised it took us this long to come up with it. I got a new vehicle for this one. We're going to call it the Max Mobile. Everyone climb on board. I'm like, no, I'm going to just walk. No, get inside Max Gramer's personal car. We're going to climb into what he's, they have a BT cruiser or something like that. There's photos of his car online. I'll put them in the show notes. Everyone climb into the Max Mobile, Max's personal vehicle, as we leave behind the

6:13driver radio command. Rico, why don't you touch that very sticky steering wheel and drive us all the way out to Tennessee. That's how the car is starting. That's Max on the back seat. He's like, welcome friends. You start the car up. He's doing that in your ear the whole time. The whole time all the way out. It's a long drive. We stopped to stay the night at hotel. He's sleeping next to you right near here. Okay. So here's the thing. We don't know Max Gramer's. We're not going to do a long introduction. We've done a bunch of episodes on him in the past. I'll put him in the show notes. Basically, this is the elevator pitch. He's a, there's a lot to cram in, but I'm going to keep it under like 45 seconds. Max Gramer, homeless video game designer, not making video games about the homeless. He used to be homeless and he designed video games.

7:14He has this delusion that all, I always get it wrong, but either all Asians are black people in disguises or all black people are Asians in disguises. I'm not entirely for sure. He has a desire or a fascination or maybe just to fetish. I don't know to where people's skin, specifically the skin of a father and all the horrible things you can think of when it comes to that pretending to be somebody's dad and he also has a line of beverages. He's trying to start his own sorority called capitax sorority. He's pretty well known in his town of Cookville, Tennessee, which he's very open about his address. That's why I don't, I mean, he posts about it all the time online because he has multiple businesses. We've done a ton of episodes. Look at him. You're right. You're like, oh, he's an entrepreneur. Well, he has started a lot of businesses, but none of them have seemed to take off. There's no members of capitax.

8:14You know what we should do? We should start a, I'm going to find out what it takes to actually start a fraternity. We might go straight up revenge on the nerds on this and start our own fraternity sorority you know, I'm sure there's a combined one and we'll call it capitax. I think, right? I don't think you can play something we've learned recently. I've been covering it for years. Turns out he loves to sue people. I wonder if we can do that. Wouldn't that be hilarious if I chased an iron omane? You can't push this a little too far. He does seem pretty unbalanced allegedly. Last episode or last week's episode. We did a Max Kramer rap in response to the fact that he had released the song, trying to sell his energy drinks or whatever they were, but we couldn't play it online because he would sue us. So I go, well, if I can't play his song, I'll make up a song. And you know what's funny is that apparently the Patreon Discord for a dead rapper radio

9:16are now huge Max Kramer song fans. Quite the discussion about how good his song was. Now here's the thing, I never said his song sucked. It didn't sound great, but apparently there's a genre of music called Midwest Emo. Actually, I had never heard of it. And apparently Max Kramer fits that to a bill. So according to my Patreon Discord, they seem to like it. They seem to really like it. The reason why I bring that up. Check his song out. Like again, I listened to it. I was listening to it as like a commercial jingle and as hearing this guy's voice for the first time. I wasn't really thinking about it. A musical quality. And I didn't know that this was a whole genre. I actually played it for Sabine. And she goes, yeah, you know, she goes, there's some talent there. Like it's not great, but there's promise. So that's really interesting because I guess I don't really listen to Midwest Emo. I didn't know it existed. I don't listen to a normal Emo. Yeah, check it out.

10:17They basically got rave reviews, different ears on that song, different views going into it. They're like, oh, this actually has some promise. Wouldn't that be interesting if in the end, we're able to funnel Max Kramer into something he can actually do music. Like I listen, man, everyone has just another wrong dream and big. He wants to start his own steakhouse called Bingle Berries, where the setting is edible. But not all of it. So there might be a brick wall that's made of cake, but two of the bricks in that wall are actual brick. You break your teeth. He wants to do all of this crazy stuff. He wants to have a roller skating rink where the waiters skate around serving you steak. It's showing less than there be entertaining, but also if you wanted a discount on your own food, you could also skate around. So you're the entertainment because you're entertaining other people by skating your steak is half off or whatever.

11:18Like I mean, it's a stupid idea, but I'm not going to knock him for having an idea. I'm not going to knock him for wanting to develop video games. He has tons and tons of pages of video game ideas. We've gone over a couple of them and some of them, you know, I would play that game, but you're probably not going to make it if you're homeless. Most people can't make video games who have homes. They dream about it. There's nothing wrong with dream and big. There's nothing even wrong with taking those big swings, but sometimes you've got to know your lane. You got to know what you're good at and then go from there. That's a good starting point. I don't know if he knows how to cook steak. I will say this. I wouldn't eat it if it came out of his kitchen. I would not eat it in the first episode of Max Kramer month. We talked about this, this swill. He's definitely not good beverage maker. I mean, who knows? Maybe it tastes delicious, but it looked like swamp water. And some of it had Delta 9 THC in it. Some of it was hallucinogenic. I mean, we're talking about gambling, right? You're like, I take one of your beverages, please.

12:19You call them gauntlets. Well, anyway, so we're going to talk about Max Kramer's lawsuits. We're going to highlight two of them right now. And again, this is going to be a shorter episode. And again, this is going to be a shorter episode of the normal. But let's go ahead and dive into this. Talk about taking the big swings in life. I don't necessarily think he would try to sue me because I don't have $100 million. And that seems to be where most of his lawsuits land. The first lawsuit we're going to look at here, he sues Reddit. And I hate Reddit. So, you know, Max, I have your back on that one. But it's already been adjudicated. It got thrown out. He can never bring the case back up. Basically, the reason why he was suing Reddit was someone took a photo of his house. And I use that term lightly. It's a series of rectangles in a yard somewhere out in Tennessee. All different colors. Each rectangle is a different color. It looks anti-wimsical. It looks, it's what's the opposite of fun. Well, anyways, someone took a photo of his property

13:22and posted it on Reddit underneath the, I think it was the South Park subreddit. And the headline was, drugs are bad, OK? Because listen, it obviously looks like an insane man lives there. Has all the hallmarks of what we see with this type of insanity. He drives around in a car that has logos and websites hand-painted on it, SIM crime online. Was that the website? It was like SIMcrime.com, maybe. This whole belief that he's one of the very few people. Everyone else is just a simulation. We're all NPCs. Drives around town in a white kind of PT cruiser type of vehicle. There's photos of it online. I'll put them in the show and it's all of this stuff on it. And his property looks the same. His property looks like a bunch of shacks. There's like a storage container. This is where the sorority is. By the way, if you actually thought I don't want to join Jason's fake sorority, I want to join the Real Gap attack. You're going to be in a storage container. He sued Reddit because someone took a photo of his house

14:24and he says that was his copyright. That's his trademark. You can't take a photo of trademarks that he owns and post them online without his permission. That's obviously not how trademark law works. If that was the case in Bill Gates, all over that ranch slash sex dungeon we covered back in episode whenever it was the one episode banned from Spotify. Out in Colorado, he would have just put a bunch of windows 11. Well, he probably doesn't want windows in there so people could see the sex slaves. But he could have just had a bunch of like Microsoft branding on his house. So if anyone ever took a photo of it, he'd sue them. So there's none in the eye on the trademark to the Microsoft name. So my house therefore you can't put it in a photo. It doesn't work that way. It's a big swing and a mess. He lost the lawsuit. But what's notable about it, that's obvious, right? But what's notable about it is the clerks having to translate his legal documents. Because obviously it's just kind of like

15:25this rambling thing. So I'm reading the official court record or whatever it's called, the judgment saying why it's getting dismissed and all that stuff. And the clerks, who's ever typing this up, I'm sure the people in the courtroom were having a blast as well. Apparently this went, I can't imagine that a lawyer from Reddit showed up to wherever this trial was. The paper works from the middle district of Tennessee North Eastern Division was Max Kramer in court. What I don't understand is like, did they actually show up or was this all paperwork being filed back and forth? I don't know. But what's notable about this, he lost the case. You can't say a photograph. It's still available online as well. I was able to track down the actual post. Wait, did I have to go to the way back machine? I don't remember that, but I'm pretty sure it's still online. What's notable on all of this stuff, right? He sees Reddit because they posted a photograph. And he also has like a big no photograph rule of his property.

16:25He won't let anyone ever take pictures of his property. Which again, that's just not the way that the world works. Unfortunately for some, right? They don't want their information getting out there. But buried in this court document towards the end, right? Because you know, like you're reading it, your eyes are starting to gloss over. I'm not a lawyer. It's not my normal reading, quite boring. But towards the end, what happened was in a previous court filing, because this case wasn't immediately just thrown out. And in a previous court filing, a judge or a lawyer, I think was a judge, wrote in the paperwork, well, they misspelled the word claims. And instead, spelled the word claim. So the reason why this claim is being denied is because that simple spelling error to understand, spell check won't pick it up.

17:28If it's an actual real world, if it's actually a real word, is it sloppy, yes? It shows that they're not maybe taking it super seriously. They're not proofreading their stuff. Is it sloppy, yes? Does it mean anything? What do you think? What do you think, based on the context, if you saw the word claim, when everywhere else that used the word claim, what would you think anything was up? Well, you and I were not Max Kramer. I have my own set of insanity, sure, but neither of us are Max Kramer. This is where in this legal document, they address this, this final document, they address that in an earlier paperwork, snafu, the word claim is used instead of claim, and what Max Kramer's reaction was to that. So this is in the official court document coming out of the Middle Eastern, not Middle Eastern, the Middle District of Tennessee, North Eastern Division, it says, quote,

18:29equally ridiculous, because a court, they're talking about all the other ridiculous statements he's made during this whole procedure. Quote, equally ridiculous is Kramer's suggestion that some unnamed Delaware restaurant may have been implicated as a defendant. When magistrate Newburn wrote claim instead of claim, so that is how he took it. The fact that it was a judge, right, magistrate Newburn, who was a previous judge on this case, wrote the word claim instead of claim. So then obviously, Max Kramer thinks this goes way deeper than I thought. This goes deep ocean deep. I did not know that Dagon was part of this lawsuit. Equally ridiculous is Kramer's suggestion that some unnamed Delaware restaurant may have been implicated as a defendant. When magistrate Newburn wrote claim instead of claim, notwithstanding that one, Reddit is a Delaware corporation, two, Delaware is quote, and this is what,

19:31this is not what the court is saying. They're saying this is what Max Kramer's response was, they're like, one, Reddit is a Delaware corporation, two, Delaware quote, is widely known to cater seafood restaurants, unquote. And you're like, okay, yeah, I guess those things are true, Max. Delaware is where Reddit is incorporated act as they have huge tax breaks for incorporations over there or corporations over there. Two, Delaware is, Delaware quote, is widely known to cater. And then the second one is true, right? Delaware does have a lot of seafood restaurants. But then Max, those are both true and then Max brings up point three quote, waiters and waitresses are paid extra tips for selling boiled clam dishes, unquote, in that state. So if that didn't make any sense to you, imagine you were a lawyer and you're like, wait, what? Yeah, okay, Ms. Bill DeWord clam, what does this have to do with Delaware?

20:33Well, Reddit isn't Delaware, okay. Okay, but still what does this have to do with anything? He thinks now that there is some sort of this unnamed Delaware restaurant is involved in this scheme to violate his trademark. So here's the thing, you go, wait, Jason, you've been saying this, one of these lawsuits, he's actually right. Are you saying that the clams conspiracy is great now? I don't think that's the one we're about to talk about is really weird, like that. The one I just talked about was normal Max. The next one, it's quite fascinating, but this is the type of guy, right? Like, again, we see a spelling error and you go, that's sloppy. That's sloppy work, they're not taking this seriously. This lawsuit means so much to me and you can't even take the time out of your data. Proofread it or have one of your several staff proofread it. It does look super sloppy. You don't then think that a Delaware restaurant is involved in this conspiracy to destroy your trademark.

21:36And here's the thing, this is the type of thing that could get real dangerous, real quick as well. I mean, Delaware is a far cry from Tennessee, I think, right? I'm not really good on my US geography, but I think it's a couple of states away. But what if this was like his own personal pizza gate? What if this was his clam gate? And he really felt that he not only was a Delaware clam restaurant responsible for this and they were secretly hinting at it, but he knew which one it was after having a covert investigation. He figures out which one and then he goes out there and commits some sort of horrible act. He gets a job there, he goes into disguise and he's like, I'd like to be a cook and they're like, you're hired and he's all ha ha ha. The most damage I can possibly do is in the kitchen. I'll just add my own secret ingredient, a little Delta 9 THC into each clam. I don't eat clams, maybe you do, maybe you're a risk. But you know what I mean? This could be an issue, right? You know, you could see some guy just being like,

22:37no, the clams, the clams, they know so much that's why their mouths are always shut. They think they can keep a secret, but I'll make them talk. And then he goes into some Delaware restaurant and you know, where the boiled clams, where the boiled clams is on knockin' stuff over the waitresses, they're like, no, no. You know, be kind of creepy. It was the fact that he was wearing their dad's skin. All of the employees, he's wearing all of their dad's skin. It's just like this giant, stape of man wearing like 30 suits of human flesh. Where's the boiled clams, dude? Now, that's the lawsuit that I thought was funny because the clam thing. But most of it was just dry lawsuit stuff, but I'm on a roll and I keep looking through his lawsuits. And I should say that this was sent to me one night by a young woman, we're not using a real name. We're using the name Jessica Apple Bottom. I don't know even why I came over that name, but I was going through the, or maybe it was Rebecca Apple Bottom. Mrs. Apple Bottom, I was going through lawsuits and at one point he sued Axe Body Spray.

23:43Now, I'll be honest, I used to be a big fan of Axe Body Spray. I used to wear it all the time. I really liked the smells. I like smelling good. I, what happened was I evolved. I used Axe Body Spray a lot in my 20s and then I started wearing nice cologne. Like Ralph Lauren Polo was kind of my go to, but I'd wear a lot of different stuff. I wore Brute when I was in high school. I used Brute after save. And then I started using that bod, Body Spray, and then I started using Axe. And then eventually I think you start using a cologne. But Axe Body Spray, I do really like it. I like the convenience of it. I'm going to spray some on me right now just to get the full feeling of this. Smells like Max, because what I'm holding is the actual scent that Max Kramer uses. The actual scent that made Max Kramer zu Axe over. So if you guys want to smell like Max Kramer,

24:44you just need to get yourself a can of anarchy for him. It's dark pomegranate and sandalwood. That's the scent. If you want to smell like Max Kramer, buy anarchy for him. About a case of this, do I? I have six cans of it. He sprayed on the last 48 hours. Oh, I miss you Axe. I've grown up. There's one of the few things that I've grown up. Everything else, I'm still a kid in his 20s. Why did he sue Axe Body Spray? Did it get him too many babes? Was it so overpowering? Is it the adult equivalent of a Latigra shirt? You'll just have females chasing it down the street? No, actually, he claims it poisoned him. And you go, did you just tell us to go out and bite and just say you just bought a case? Yeah, I did. But see, here's the thing. Is this true? Is this just another weird Max Kramer conspiracy thing where he's trying to get $100 million?

25:47Or is it actually true? Now, this lawsuit was tossed out. You did not win this lawsuit either. And what he sued him for, I'm gonna read this. It says this in the paperwork. This is also from the middle district of Tennessee. This is the Nashville division. So at least he's spreading his madness to different courthouses. One courthouse, one staff isn't bombarded by him constantly. This paperwork, this legal paperwork, whatever it's called, judgment. Quote, Kramer states that he purchased a bottle of ax andarchy dark pomegranate and sandalwood scent at a Walgreens store in Lebanon, Tennessee on October 17th, 2024. Kramer states that after using the body spray, he, quote, experienced headaches caused by poisonous ingredients in it, unquote, and, quote, became worried that crimes were being committed in the local community by, unquote, Walgreens and Unilever, which is the name of the company that owns acts.

26:48So basically, he got poisoned by ax and he saw this as a conspiracy. And he goes, did you know how much clams they have in Lebanon? You know, the clams, they're all, the courthouse, they're like, what are you talking about? He's odd enough to get a lawsuit against a French company, a Unilever, I believe is French, but he goes, you know, Walgreens and the makers of ax body spray, they release in this poison into the air. I sprayed this on myself and I got poisoned. These ingredients are harmful to humans. Why in the world was I allowed to purchase this? How is this being sold in stores? So I read that and you know, listen, I've been following Max Kramer for years. I got what a lunatic. But I, no matter what the conspiracy is, no matter what the claim is, I will try to look into it. And did you know, listen, I don't want to get sued by Max,

27:51but I definitely don't want to get sued by the makers of ax body spray. Did you know that people have died and the cause of death is ax body spray? This stuff is not a toy, this is not a game. This is real and it can kill you. His lawsuit, he lost and it seemed to be kind of like her technical issues like filing the way it was filed. It's like this was a French company. You're filing it here in Tennessee. It basically got thrown out on legal ground, like technical legal grounds, but not on the merit of it is ax body spray dangerous. And I said he's crazy, but I'll look into it. Well, it turns out we have a story, and I'm not saying there's a widespread body is in the street bodies stacked like clams at a Delaware restaurant. I'm not saying this is widespread, but in 2008, in England, Sandy Acre, that's in Derbyshire, England, there was a 12 year old boy named Daniel Hurley, and he loved that spotty spray.

28:53He loved it so much it was the last thing he did. He didn't know it was the last thing he was gonna do, but basically he was in his bathroom and he was spraying it. Shh, I'm not gonna demonstrate it because it killed this kid. Shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, just spraying it all over. He wanted to smell good for the honeys. Instead, he ended up having a heart attack, the age of 12. The corner, the Derby and South Derbyshire coroner, Dr. Robert Hunter, ruled that he had a heart attack and the reason was because he was spraying ax body spray in a confined space. Now we know, listen, I have to put Drainow down my bathtub later today, probably tomorrow morning. I gotta put Drainow down my bathtub. And we all know, because we're adults, that when you put Drainow into the bathtub, you gotta have all your windows open and not supposed to put Drainow in and then sit down on the toilet and start reading the far side comic strips.

29:54No, you use this stuff, you know it's toxic, you have to do it in a well-ventilated area and you shouldn't be anywhere around it while it's eating away all the gunk through your bathroom pipes. But I didn't know that ax body spray, you needed to be in a well-ventilated area. Who would have thought, right? You go, Jason, well, obviously it's an aerosol. You know, it's spraying the stuff. You might think, listen, it might cause some breathing issues, it might cause irritation of the eyes and the nose. It's definitely what all my dates said when I used too much of it. But this idea that it could kill you, that it could give you a heart attack if you're in a contained area. Apparently, so in Britain, these are called links. It's not called ax body spray over there. It's called links bits because that's the same product. You know, listen, my vision's failing. There is a warning label on the back of this and it does say, you know, I gotta, it's weird, my vision isn't great. If I got an car accident, you legally can't use this. I'm only talking about reading,

30:54small writing on ax bottles, not driving. But I have to use a flashlight, shake well, not gonna read the whole thing, but spray 15 centimeters from your body. Do it in English, how many feet? It says caution. Do not spray on broken skin. Do not stop use of irritation. Avoid direct, this is what I'm looking for. Avoid direct inhalation, using short bursts in a well-ventilated area of avoid prolonged sprain. Do not sprain your eyes. He's only as directed. He goes, the cans do have a warning, but that doesn't tell you how bad it can be. Right, if I read that, that's a standard warning on any aerosol and any fluid that's propelled. That'd be a standard warning. There's nothing on here that's saying if you don't use an in a well-ventilated area, you may die or you may suffer adverse health consequences. You know, your heart may stop. There's nothing on here.

31:55This is pretty boilerplate type of stuff. And the corner goes, listen, it does have a warning on the can. How many people read the warning? You know, we don't know, but this kid was spraying it so much in a bathroom that it stopped his heart. And that's what he ruled. He said, quote, it seems the presence of a volatile agent caused the cardiac arrhythmia. Daniel copiously used the odorant in the bathroom, unquote, speaking about links. He says that, quote, people need to know about the risks that these products have on the cardiovascular system, unquote. So again, like I wouldn't never thought that. I would have never thought that this could actually stop your heart. I would understand that you shouldn't inhale it. As I know, inhalants can kill you the first time you use them. Understand you shouldn't have it near flame. I know you shouldn't have it sprayed in people's eyes as funny as that may be. You shouldn't do that. And that's the same with every inhalant

32:56or every sort of canister like this, but I didn't know it could kill you if you just sprayed around in your bathroom. Now, how much is copious? How much was it three or four cans? I remember one time ago I read about this kid who didn't want to have body odors. So he used a lot of deodorant as in he covered his entire torso, his chest is back or parts he could reach, his underarms, his arms in deodorant and he died. He just basically suffocated. He couldn't breathe through his pores. I think he did it on his legs as well. Now again, he was also like 12, 15 years old. And I, I mean, like when I read that sort of the newspaper, I go, well, that does make sense. I understand how, you know, I obviously felt bad. I go, but that does make sense. I understand how that can happen. You're covering up all your pores. But I wanted to thought that if I saw someone doing that, I'd probably be like, you know, dude. Like, as he's completely white, he's all, he sees his eyes blinking. Everything else is covered in deodorant. If I saw someone doing that, I'd tell him to stop. If I saw someone spraying a bunch of acts,

33:56I wouldn't, I'd be like, dude, I'm going to shut the door. And so it's spraying out here. It's so smelly. I'm going to shut this door and lock it until you're done spraying. So it did kill a person. And then what was interesting when I was reading the article here, it was on Sky News, there was three comments on the article. None of them about the boy dying, but all of them about Axe Body Spray, our Link Spotty Spray, and their interactions with it. One of them was a retired school teacher who claimed that they got multiple chemical sensitivity because students were using it around them and it ended up really kind of messing with chemo-like smelling stuff. Now, are these true? I don't know, but people are making these claims. Another person, a bus driver, you'll notice a connection here. All three of these claims work around kids. Retire school teacher who said they didn't have any problem with multiple chemical sensitivity

34:57until they were in classrooms where kids use a lot. One of them was a bus driver who said a kid busted out a can of Axe Body Spray and sprayed it all over the bus like as it's driving. Shhh, Billy, stop! Shhh, Billy, I think the bus driver's having a heart attack. I'm just going to spray more. So this will wake him up. Fills up the bus. I don't know if he filled up the bus, but basically the whole case is like, hey, we're gonna let's smell like Mac Kramer. They're all who? He's like, some day you'll figure it out. Shhh, who wants clams? The bus driver says that a kid was spraying it everywhere. This was in August of 2008. And then a few months later in December, 2008, when he left the comment, he said he's still sick. Or she did actually. She said she was still sick from that spray back in August and she hasn't been able to go back to work because of it. The third person who commented was a teacher who, so here's the thing, right? Like she could be like, ah, this job sucks, right?

35:58Driving a bus got all these kids in the back. She's going to find any excuse. She's all in having a heart attack. She's like, oh, the perfect thing. Excuse, they're not working anymore. No, you know, she could be making it up. She goes, hey, you know, this kid was spraying an ax body spray. I can't work anymore, I'm too sick. And people would go, here's the thing. What would you say if you were in the employee? You'd be like, what, ax body spray? That's the awesome one to put some on right now. It's a bus driver's freaking out. No, you know, and then say, I can't come back to work because I'm still dealing with the inhalants from that ax body spray, you'd be like, what? This third person actually went through the entire process. It was a teacher who got a medical retirement because of it because of their interaction with ax body spray at work. So it went through the whole process because that's a big deal, right? It's not just someone saying, hey, I can't come to work as I'm sick. That is a whole process where you're retiring early and it's a specialized retirement. And you're probably getting extra too

36:59because it's basically an accident that happened at work. I don't know about that part, but definitely, it's not just an excuse. This would have had to go through a whole process for it to be classified as a medical retirement. This third person said that when he was in class, he was a teacher. The students were using a lot of ax body spray. He didn't know it at first, right? The teacher didn't know what was going on, but he was starting to have anaphylaxis. He's basically so alert. He had no problem with it before, but since he's being exposed to it more and more, he realizes he's having a hard time breathing. He's getting extreme chest pains. And this is developing over time. And he actually talks to the students and go, hey, guy, he goes, hey, guys, listen. This ax body spray, this link's body spray, you're taking, I'm assuming it's British because all of the comments on the article.

37:59This body spray, though, that you're spraying guys, like it's really like making me sick. Like it's making it hard for me to breathe. I'm having extreme chest pains, you know, I'm just talking to you guys. Can you stop? The comments are said quote. The students in my school realized I was suffering and ignored my request to stop using the deodorant. In fact, many did the opposite. They sprayed their clothing, liquefied the desk. And while they melted it, they're like, we sprayin' of ax body spray on this wood. It'll turn to pulp. She's like, oh, where are all my papers? It's just like a puddle on the ground. There's the kids left. They would liquefy his desk so they would spray it all over his desk. And it's like super sticky. He's like, oh, another day of work. And he's getting closer to his desk. He's like, ah! Oh, he sees a sheen. He sees a beautiful shiny sheen of ax body spray on the wood. They sprayed their clothing, liquefied the desk or pre-sprayed the room before the class entered, unquote.

39:04Truly hooligans. Yeah, it's kind of funny, but I'm coughing because I did spray ax. Earlier, and it is lingering. But anyways, yes, so basically they found out that this was about to kill him and they just kept doing it more. But anyway, so yeah, they were using it to spray him and make his life a living hell. So apparently, apparently based on this art, one kid did die and then these three comments. And a coroner's report, this stuff can be dangerous. If you follow the rules that are listed on the back, it won't be. But again, even then, I would think that if I was in a room where a lot of this was sprayed, I would think at worst it would just irritate my sinus passages. It'd burn my eyes a bit. I didn't think it could kill you. So in a way, Max might have had an actual loss. We don't know what he did with it. He might have sprayed on some clams and then he went to eat him. He's like, oh, these are disgusting.

40:05I'm suing. We don't know what he did. He might have ended up in the hospital. We have no idea. We just know that he sued them. I guess probably, maybe I should read the court transcript a little closer, but it seemed like he was just making a complaint that it poisoned him. Maybe I skimmed this one a little too much. I'll reread it if there's any more additional info I'll let you know, but maybe it did poison him. Maybe it's in him the hospital. I don't know off the top of my head. Maybe it just made him cough for hours on end, but it turns out that this actually can be deadly. And that's what he was suing them for. Forget the whole, see, this is the problem with insane people. There's many problems, but here's one of the big problems is that sometimes they will be a 100% right on an issue and then they just take it in another step. You know, I got really sick when I used ax body spray and there's not a clear warning on this bottle and I got really, really sick and people go, oh, no, that's interesting. Yeah, you're right. I didn't know ax body spray could do that to a person. Yeah, and did you know the reason why they call it ax

41:07is because the owners of Unilever are descendants of the people who hid from the French Revolution. They're the ones who didn't get their heads chopped off and they're in control of the scent satellites that beam down unpleasant odors and tornos which requires us to, and then you go, dude, like you have me in the first part, right? You show me a news article, this does kill people, but it's used improperly and then you just started on with this weird conspiracy and that does happen a lot. It's very interesting, like, stop at the W. Don't move, don't keep walking towards the L, but it happens all the time. There wasn't a crime conspiracy between Walgreens and Unilever to poison him, but it's possible that he did get poisoned or he suffered some very serious, physical effects from ax body spray. Now does that mean he deserves $100 million? No, but I think that he might have had a lawsuit on some level, but he just took it too far

42:07and didn't file the paperwork correctly either. So interesting, right, Max Kramer? That's the only story we're gonna cover today. I was gonna cover some other stuff that we've run along. Interesting, Max Kramer, lore, right? We have the Reddit lawsuit, we have the clam conspiracy, that'll be added to, and then we have the fact that did you know that ax body spray can kill people when used improperly? And as a weapon, did you know that if your teacher is sensitive to it, you can spray it all over them and they'll have to quit work. Now we got two more episodes of Max Kramer month, and I'm telling you, I'm gonna give you guys a little hint. It's building up to something, we've been having a lot of fun with Max Kramer, but it's building up to something pretty dark. Like I know what the next Max Kramer month episodes are gonna be, and the third one is just kind of a goofy one again, but the fourth one is actually a little alarming. It's a little worrisome. We have all these laughs, but we may not be laughing much

43:10at the end, there's been some recent development, recent news, we might say concerns about Max Kramer, but that will be how we cap off Max Kramer month, so stay tuned. We're gonna have one more episode this week, we're gonna have a bonus episode after that, and then I'm gonna take a two week break, coming back in time for the Oregon Ghost Conference, March 27th through the 29th in seaside organ, ticket information is in the show notes, that is also when we will wrap up, Max Kramer month. I appreciate you guys listening, it's always a lot of fun recording the show, even though now I have, I'll tell you, I'll be honest, I did multiple takes of the X-body spray because I wanted to pick it up on the mic, and I, you might have heard me spray it three times, trust me, I sprayed it nine. It hasn't been comfortable recording the rest of this episode, but, you know, sitting in this poisonous gas this whole time, but at least I smell good. DeadRabberadio.gmail.com is gonna be our email address, you can also visit us up at Facebook.com slash

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