Ep. - 1553 - SATURDAY SERIES: PAM CHILDS HUNT FOR THE MISSING: CHICAGO

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4:13that I sent you. Welcome back for another episode of Reality Life with KKC and welcome back to the Saturday series episode for today's interview. I want to introduce you to someone whose entire career has been devoted to the people many systems eventually forget those that disappear without answers. Retired Chicago police detective Pam Childs spent nearly three decades with the Chicago police department and 20 of those years were dedicated specifically to the special victim unit and the missing persons unit. These are the kind of cases that are emotionally taxing, deeply complicated and often heartbreaking. Missing persons cases rarely have neat endings. They linger for years, sometimes decades, and families are left suspended in a painful space between hope and grief. Pam Childs built her career working directly with those families. For 29 decorated years, she became known as a relentless investigator, someone who refused

5:16to let cases fall through the cracks simply because time had passed. Even after retiring from the Chicago police department, she hasn't stopped. She still works as an investigator with the state attorney's office, continuing to examine cases and help family searching for answers. Now you may remember her from the investigation discovery documentary disappeared the Bradley sisters. That case involved two young girls who vanished from Chicago's south side in 2001 and remains one of the city's most haunting disappearances. For investigators like Childs, these cases are never quite just files. They're real people, real families, and unresolved grief. Now she's bringing that work to TV in the new investigation discovery series hunt for the missing Chicago. This series focus on Pam as she revisits cold cases involving missing people throughout Chicago and the surrounding region. These are cases that span decades, cases where leads have gone cold, evidence is aged, and families are still waiting for answers.

6:17But the show is not just about the investigations. It also focuses on the families left behind and the immense emotional toll that a disappearance takes on loved ones. When someone goes missing, there is no clear path to closure. There are birthdays that pass, holidays that arrive with an empty chair at the table, and years filled with unanswered questions. Her mission is simple but powerful. Do not let these cases be forgotten. And the cases covered in the series are deeply unsettling. One of them is the disappearance of Kara Coles, a 26-year-old U.S. Postal Service Worker, who vanished from Chicago in October of 2018 while three months pregnant. She was last seen on surveillance video near her home in the Chatham neighborhood wearing her postal uniform. Even though she had called and sick that day, later that evening she was seen withdrawn money from an ATM alongside a person of interest. And those images are the last confirmed sightings of her. Her car was later found parked near her apartment inside of her purse, where her phone, prenatal

7:20vitamins, and lunch items that her family says she would have never left behind willingly. Despite investigations by both the Chicago Police Department and the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, no arrests have ever been made. Her family continues to search for answers and has even offered a reward for information about what happened to her and her unborn child. Another case highlighted in the series is the disappearance of Diamond, Bynum and her two-year-old nephew King Walker. Diamond was 21 years old and autistic. She was largely nonverbal and functioned cognitively at the level of a young child, meaning she required constant supervision. In July of 2018, Diamond and King were visiting family in Gary, Indiana. At some point they were reportedly left briefly in a vehicle, when relatives returned, both of them were gone. Witnesses later reported seeing Diamond walking with King nearby railroad tracks, but despite massive search efforts, including helicopters, canine units, and extensive ground crews, no confirmed trace of them has ever been found.

8:24The cases especially heartbreaking because family members say Diamond was extremely protective of upper nephew. Over the years, investigators have considered multiple possibilities, including accidental wandering, exposure to the elements ofduction or foul play, but more than a decade later, there are still new answers. Their disappearance also highlights a larger issue that investigators and advocates often discuss, the disparity in media attention when black children and adults go missing, and how that can impact public awareness and leads. Another deeply disturbing case explored in the series is that of Jericho, Jerry Laws. Jericho was 23 years old and living on Chicago's south side. She had developed mental disabilities and functioned at a much younger level, making her especially vulnerable. In August of 2015, she disappeared from the Washington Heights neighborhood not far from her home. Her family quickly raised the alarm because they knew she would not have been able to survive on her own for too long. For months there were no answers, and then in April of 2016, nearly eight months after

9:26she vanished, her body was discovered inside a freezer in an abandoned apartment building, only a short distance from where she had last been seen. Her death was ruled a homicide. The case deeply shocked the community and underscored the dangers faced by individuals with developmental disabilities, as well as the investigative challenges that can arise in missing person cases involving vulnerable adults. Things like these are incredibly difficult to hear, but they're exactly the type of cases that Pam Childs has dedicated her entire life to investigating. What makes hunt for the missing Chicago unique is that it doesn't just present the mystery. It shows the painstaking work that is involved in reopening cold cases. That includes reviewing decades-old evidence, re-interviewing witnesses, re-examining timelines, and sometimes uncovering details that had previously gone unnoticed. But most importantly, it gives those families a platform, because for the people left behind time does not erase the questions, it only deepens them.

10:26The series premieres this week on investigation discovery, and it also is available to stream on HBO Max. And so today I'm joined by the woman at this center of it all, retired Chicago detective Pam Childs, to talk about her career, the cases that have stayed with her, and why she believes every missing person deserves to be remembered. Here's my interview. It is a pleasure to meet you, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. I got to tell you, I got sucked into this series right away, and you are the most compelling part of it. I have to tell me, are you originally from Chicago? I was born in Chicago, that is my origination. I went to high school there, I went to college there. I joined the Chicago Police Department there. And that's my life, that's my place. Do you come from a big family? I come from a family of, I have three brothers and two sisters, and so I guess that would

11:30be like the Brady Bunch family. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you have any other relatives that were in law enforcement? No, I did not. My dad was a postal service employee. I'm the only law enforcement person in my family. And from a little girl, I remember when you get home from school, my mom had her set things on the TV, and then we would watch, like, you know, police shows, and as I got a little older, then came Angie Dickinson, and the police woman, and then I got into Get Christy Love and Pam Greer, and I was looking at these women like, wow, they are incredible, and I was so shy.

12:30Oh. As a young girl, I was very shy, very, very quiet. I didn't have a lot of friends, but I just admired these women, and I said one day, yeah. I want to be, I want to be a detective, and that is what the, that's the seed I planted, and as I got older and went through my life, I got the opportunity to take the test for the Chicago Police Department, terrible test taker. I passed, and they didn't have like scores. It was either very highly, or highly, or satisfactory, and I scored very highly. I was like, this is a time, yeah, that's my job, and I got that job, and I went through that police academy, and I trust you, the police academy is tough. And my biggest thing was running.

13:33Now I always exercise, but I never quite liked running, and we had to run. To get out of the academy, you had so many, so many minutes to pass a two and a half mile, you know, around the police academy building. I was determined, and I struggled, and I struggled, but when test day came, I just refused to give up, and I made it. Well now, if you look in reflection at your childhood, were there certain traits that you had that ended up helping you in law enforcement, or maybe even the circumstances of being in a big family? Were you someone who observed things that took, took time to understand situations and people? Yeah, you know, because by me being the baby girl of the family, and I had one brother younger than me, so everybody else was older, you know, I watched them, and they didn't include

14:34me in a lot, but I kind of watched, and you know, I picked up on, oh, she's doing this, she's doing that, you know, and so I never said anything, because who am I, I'm like the youngest of, you know, next to the youngest. And so I just kind of paid attention to what everybody was doing, and, you know, and, you know, doing behind mom and dad's back, and, you know, I had to keep quiet, because they would kill me. And so, yeah, you know, I just paid attention, and, you know, I never really said much, but, you know, I had already, you know, planted my seed as to where my interest was. You know, I went through high school, I went to college, and I never really got that opportunity until I saw that, that thing that says, hey, come and apply for the Chicago Police Department, and I did it, and I scored, and I made it, I refused to not make it.

15:40Well, what do your relatives think about, like, what do your siblings think of the fact that you've, this 29-year career, I mean, are they laughing, because you were shy? They, they, they, you know, as I got older, my shyness started to wane off a little bit, not a lot, but once I became the police, you know, my strength grew, and I guess my, my mental strength grew into more confidence, and, and I remember, I actually was dating a guy who's updating me, because he said, oh, you're not the Pam that I've once met. You know, because I was always nice in humble and, you know, but I was kind of like more as a matter of fact, you know, and to this day, we were very good friends, but, yeah, you know, and so, you know, my family, my family loved me. They would call me up if something

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21:54that you had to work on day in and day out? And still be so passionate about the work. Went before, you know, while I was a detective, CPD opened up this program called Peer Support. I enrolled to be a peer support, support person for officers and their families. And so you go through this training. And it's a heavy training. And it's for one week, every day, from like seven in the morning until seven in the evening. And what I learned in peer support training is I learned about some of the harsh realities that police officers go through in their lives. And then I learned how to decompress myself. Because on the final day of peer support

22:58training, you sit around the table with everybody that's in your group. And everybody has to talk about their lives. And so I sat there and I listened, I listened to 15 people tell their stories. And when it was my turn, I cried. I cried literally cried. Because I didn't realize that I had been holding in so much that had happened in my personal life, dealing with my family and lives of people that I had encountered. And everybody sat and they gathered around me and they covered it me. And they let me cry until I was ready to speak. And that was my letting go of things that

24:02I experienced that hurt me to my core that I never spoke about. And I let it out. And then it taught me, it taught me that we as people, we're like, we're like an onion. There's layers and layers and layers of us. And once you start peeling through those layers, that's when you're breaking it down. And that's when you get down to the core. And there you are. That's you, that's you, that you're that core. And now you're opening, you're free and you're naked. And everybody is looking at you. You have no shame. You have no guilt anymore because you've let everything go. And that's what peer support taught me. And so once, once I got through peer support, I mean, it was such a relief. It was like I took like a stack of bricks off my shoulder. And I was able to just look at

25:06everything just a little bit differently and a little bit lighter. And I learned to put aside one night a week for me where I could fill my bathroom with candles, fill my tub of water, hot water, and just be grateful. And that's what I did every week. Once a week, after my day at work, no matter what my job was. And I talked to God, my God, I talked to myself in the room. And I was grateful and thankful. I made it through a week. And I was able to let go. And I'm replenishing myself for the next week to come. And that was how I was able to just find some peace within.

26:15But however long it lasts, I found my peace. Well, coming out of retirement, I would think you were overjoyed to take a break and have some time. And then this opportunity presented itself. So, can you tell me a little bit about how the show came to be and that decision to go back into work? Well, you know, I did retire in 2018. And I took a little time off. I have a little country house in Michigan. And I spent some time there just relaxing. And I still, you know, when I was with CPD in 2011, there was a director that came to the police department. And we did a show called the first 48 missing persons Chicago. And I was in that show. And so it was a spin off from the first 48 that everybody sees watches on A&E. But we didn't do murders. We only did missing persons cases.

27:24So I did that. And I think we had two or three seasons. And so when that ended, I remained friends with the director of the show. And so did my partner. And, you know, we would get together every once in a while when we got the opportunity. And I think it happened in maybe 2021. I had Bradley sisters on my mind. I never forgot them, never could figure it out. And never thought that it was okay. So I started inquiring amongst my police women friends who were all retired. Who can I talk to, you know, because now I'm now I'm intrigued because it's not okay for a three year old and a 10 year old to just disappear. We know that people don't disappear. So they hooked me up and I got in contact with some really key people.

28:28And we started talking. We started gathering gathering information. And then one day the producer which is Gary Sherman contacted me and he said, you know, hey, Pam, you know, I'm thinking about maybe we can do something on a missing persons cases. And I stopped him. I said, that case would be Tiana and Diamond Bradley. And it just once I gave him that, it just grew from there. And in 2023, we completed the documentary that aired on the ID network. And we uncovered a lot of things that were never told. And I'm from from that show comes the hunt. Missing person Chicago, which is something that we decided to put together.

29:34Maybe in 2024, we started working on it, started tossing around ideas about, you know, different missing persons cases that should get more attention. And I really think that all missing persons, all missing persons cases should get more attention. And one of the key factors that they don't get a lot of attention is that police departments are so overwhelmed with murders and robberies and, you know, and it's just so many things going on in big cities. And maybe it could be and I'm not saying for sure, it could be that, you know, there's just not a lot of time to give to this when you get five shootings that happened in five hours. And so

30:36with with me and my team of retired detectives talking to each other and trying to assess how we can be hopeful. We came up with the hunt. Chicago missing persons. And we'll hunt for anybody. We will get out there and we will put boots on the ground. We will talk to people. We want to help. We want to give something back to people that have no hope to people that I meet who says, you know, I haven't heard anything from the police department in a couple of years. And so that's okay. What is it that you're looking for? How can I be of service to you? And one of the things that I also believe in is that

31:38every single human being on earth is a servant. We are supposed to provide a servant, a service to another. No matter how small, even if it's the old lady that's pushing her cart to her car. If I see her, I'm going to stop her. Get in your car. I'll take your cart back. Just relax. You know, just just a service. And if I can provide a service to somebody every day, I'm doing something good in this world that most people will probably overlook. Not to say that they wouldn't do it, but they would overlook it. Being of service to people is what we're supposed to do to enhance each other, to bring each other up, to make each other more trusting that, hey, you know, she didn't try to snatch my purse. She just wanted to take my cart back from me

32:42and avoid me to walk, you know. And I think those things are so important in this world today. When we deal with all of the bad things that happen, all of the negative things that when you turn on the news, you know, it's like a robbery, a shooting of this or that. And everything is bad, bad, bad. How about something that's good, good, good? And I think that that's important. And that's just who I am. One is something that people often misunderstand about a cold case or a missing person's case. I think that they misunderstand that police departments don't care. I think that they misunderstand that they're not focused on the vast amount of crime that's happening in a city that could keep

33:53a police department. I mean, they're going to take your case and missing person's case is a classified, okay? So if there's a child, it's a tender age, it's immediate. It's like all focused on this. If it's an elderly person, it's immediate. All focused on this. These are crimes against people that cannot really do all the things that they need to do to protect themselves, children, and the elderly. And if it's a crime involving someone else, I think that all missing person's cases are important, but there are classifications that, hey, this is an immediate action. And okay, I'm going to give you this missing case of this 17-year-old that's missing. You've got to get to it today and get the details because right now it's not an immediate action, but it could be.

35:01And one of the other misconceptions is that people are under the belief that they have to wait to make a report. And it's widely known that between the first 24 to 48 hours is crucial. Because a lot can happen in that time span if you have a legitimate missing person's case. What people don't understand is that you don't have to wait. There is no waiting period. If you get home from work and your child is not home, you get home from work at five and your child should have been at home from school at 330. You can immediately call 911 and make a report. And a lot of people are under the false belief that they have to wait 24 hours. Just absolutely false. And people need to know that there is no waiting period.

36:06You report as soon as you know. And that gives police departments and detectives the upper hand. And hey, let's get out there. Let's get what we can get because this can turn into something really, really bad. Or maybe we can find the kid at his best friend's house. But our goal is to get that kid home. But we don't want 24 hours and the family is under the belief. Oh, I couldn't report it because, you know, the police officers said that I got away 24 hours. Absolute falsehood. What advancements in DNA technology, digital footprints have changed the game the most in your experience over the decades that you've worked on these cases. Does it give you more hope? DNA is so far advanced. I mean, it's so far advanced. I mean, and even when I retired in 2018, and when I retired, there was a lot

37:16happening with DNA. And today, 2018 versus 2026, forensic studies and, you know, and this whole DNA process is like 10 steps ahead of what it used to be. And there are things that they can discover. I mean, and the genius of it all is just advancing more and more every day. And there are things that they can do that they can really get you some results. And less the time versus 10 years ago. I mean, you can get those results. I mean, it's not immediate, but it's going to be a whole lot quicker. And the technology that's involved in how they look at things and how they, you know, how you would comb the back of a car and, you know, the smallest thing,

38:20you know, you can find a hair in a car. And they might say, you know, 10 years ago, all that hair, there's just one hair we might need more. Well, today, we don't need more than that one hair. To really get down to where that hair came from, it belongs to. And then that gives the police the knowledge of, hey, let's go back. Let's find out. Why was this hair found in this location? Family, you got to explain that to me. So DNA is DNA is powerful. It's really powerful. And the advancement in that technology is, is to me, I'm going to say limitless because they're advancing more and more every day, but has it gotten 100 times better? Absolutely it has.

39:20Do you stay in touch with these families long after the cases stall? Oh my God, yes, I do. I do. You know, I become, and this is just me, and I'm not speaking for my entire team, I become a little bit more invested with the family. Um, I've cried with moms. I've held their hands. I've given them my phone number. I've received calls at 2 a.m. when they're crying. And I get up and I make coffee and I sit and I listen, do you need me to come with you wherever you are right now? Do you need me to hold your hand? Because you never know where a person's head is. And, you know, I mean dealing with,

40:24dealing with someone actually missing in your life, and I don't know if you've ever looked at it in your own life, or in, you know, from your own perspective to say that, hey, if my sister was to come up missing, what would I be doing? How would I be feeling? How would I be feeling about the police contact that I had, or the investigator that's helping me? You know, I want someone that's willing to really feel my pain. And somehow, I've been able to connect with people such as Kiera Cole's mother. I feel her pain. Jericho law's mother. Oh my God, I feel her pain. And it's, it's undescribable. And especially if you've never dealt with it

41:32before, maybe you don't really understand what, what, what plateau these people are at in their lives. But if you have dealt with it over and over and over, you have to year after year, as I have been a detective, and I've spent the time with multitudes of families, that years have passed by, 10 years, 12 years, you know, so many years have passed by. And when I sit, and I talk with these families, they remember it like it was yesterday. And that pain is as strong as it was when it happened yesterday. Well, I'm hopeful that with this series that there are some leads that you may receive, because maybe this is the first time someone has heard about this story,

42:32and in reflection, they think about something that they heard or that they saw. And I'm sure that you have had cases along the way where maybe it's stalled, but then some call came through. Some piece of evidence was presented and it completely shifted a case. Where can people, you know, find more information about the cases that are covered in this series and reach out to you as well? You know, people can always tune into missing and exploited. Children, there's a national base. People can reach me directly through a Facebook platform that I have. It's called unsettling the dust. I'm in spelling, UNSETT, ELING, the dust. And you will find me. And if anybody wants my help,

43:41if anybody, you know, wants someone to talk to to explain what's going on, you know, so that I can get, you know, an understanding of what's going on in their lives, they are more than welcome to send messages to my inbox. And I promise, I call everybody. You know, I don't leave people hanging. You know, I just get in touch with people and I talk to them and I meet with them. And, you know, and I want to be able to provide them some guidance. If it's no more than information, if it's, if it's me, you know, coming out and talking to them, and I got to make phone calls for them to various police departments to say, hey, detective, so, and so, you've got to call this lady, you know, you got to let her know what's going on with the case. I can do that. I can do that. And I think it's so important for, you know, us to be able to open up, you know,

44:46a, a, a real sounding board, a real, you know, voice of communication with everybody involved so that people don't feel left out. They don't feel like, wow, you know, my daughter's been missing for nine years. And why am I not hearing from the police department? Why am I not hearing from anybody? Why do I still not know where my child is? Well, I think that the commitment that you've shown these families, especially in cases that others might have long since, you know, set aside as extraordinary. And I think it takes a rare combination of strength and compassion and persistence to keep showing up for all of these families in their darkest moments. And so, I have enormous gratitude for you for the work that you do. And I'm so glad to see you in this series. And I'm hoping and praying that you get some new leads in some of these cases. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. I'm working on it. And I'm not going to stop. The hunt will

45:49always be on. And it doesn't, you know, I mean, it's the hunt Chicago because Chicago is a big city. There's a lot of missing persons cases there. That's where I'm from, but I will travel. Of course, don't forget bonus episodes on Apple Podcast and on Patreon at P-A-T-R-E-O-N dot com backs dot K K C. And lastly, follow me on social media. I'm on Instagram at at K K C-C-C-A TikTok at its K K C and Twitter Threads and Blue Sky at at K K C. Check back on money for an own new episode.