EMERGENCY POD: Chicago Cubs FINALIZING DEAL With Edward Cabrera From Miami Marlins! | CHGO Cubs

0:00Hey, Chicago, what do you say? It is an emergency edition of the C-H-G-O Cubs podcast. Can you believe it? Here we are. Unlock the possibilities with Xfinity. Learn more at Xfinity.com. Xfinity. Imagine that. The Cubs are finalizing a deal. First reported by our guide, Michael Ceramie. Finalizing a deal for a front line starter and Edward Cabrera from the Marlins. Luke Stuckmar, Joey Christopoulos with you. Hopefully people are finding out about the emergency pot here and jumping on the live YouTube chat. We've got a lot to talk about. First of all, I'm just happy that there's a functioning heartbeat. That's something to talk about that we don't just have to say. They're thinking about it. No.

1:01Everybody says now this is just pending the medicals. Get it done and get Cabrera in the building. This is all happening in real time, Luke. So I will tell you right now that like I am exactly feeling that you're feeling. I began the show on Monday saying I think we might have hit rock bottom in the off season. And now I am the rocket tier with a jet pack stretched my back, hurtling into the stratosphere. I feel like a chia pet that has water and it's starting to bloom and blossom. I have cables connected to my nipples right now. And why come on baby spring training right around the corner. Look, this has been long rumored. For the people that are jumping in the chat, thank you so much for hopping in our resident guy in the chat Gary Ross has been saying all along that he wants. Or he believes the Edward Cabrera was going to be a Chicago cub. This is something that we talked about last summer. And now it is on the one yard line. It is on the doorstep. The Chicago Cubs get what they want.

2:05A controllable arm with we'll get into it some really nasty stuff. And also Chicago Cubs fans get what they want a starting picture that can maybe a one to be a one to punch with Kate Horn. It's great news, right? It just not done yet. Very, very close, but why not be excited Cubs fans get excited. Listen, I said in our resolutions yesterday that if the Cubs can get a frontline starter done still. And they can still get a bat that they are lacking. Those are the two biggest things still missing obviously. That's not a perfect team, but like those are the two big things they have to accomplish the soft scene. If Jed can still do that, I won't question him the rest of the season. I'll say go with it. And Cabrera is not perfect. We will talk about the possibilities of what's good, what's bad, what could happen, right? And of course we got to wait and see the names are going back, but I've seen Jesse Rogers say no top tier pitching prospects are going back that way.

3:07We assume we assume that Owen Casey is going probably to the Marlins because the Marlins wanted him last year when this deal was talked about. And we should point out that while it's finalizing, right, and everybody's first to a ceramic. Then it was Rosenthal and bang, bang, bang, bang, everybody started reporting Heyman. We should point out that they had a deal that was very close for Jesus Lazardo with medicals. Same team last year didn't work. We didn't get him and he ended up being great last year for the Philly. So here we go, what do we have? And what would we be acquiring in Edward Cabrera? Well, of course you're going to want to hear this week from the pitch doctor, Brendan Miller. Now we're who may or may not, may or may not still join this show, Luke will say he said bathroom working on it. He's trying to decide if he can get to a parking lot, a bathroom stall, the back of a cab. He's going to try and jump on. He's going to need the one that you're going to want to hear. So even if you listen to this whole podcast today, you're still going to want to find out what the pitch doctor has to say on Thursday.

4:13Okay. That's one thing for sure. But this guy has something that Cubs pitchers don't. And it's one of the reasons they focused on him. He's electric and he throws heat. Now, when a guy throws a change up that's 94 miles an hour, that's different than anything the Cubs are throwing out there. It's completely different. And when his forcing fastball averages 97, that's something that Cubs don't have on a regular basis either. And he's, by the way, he's right handed. He's totally different. He fits in perfectly in this way and he's under control. Now, remember the pitch doctor will tell us the fastball is somewhere where he could still work a lot, right? Joey, like there's a lot of work to still be done. But just gut reaction to it is, I like the deal when we talked about hearing about Cabrera. And this will get to this throughout the podcast. He's going to be 28 in April. He's under control for three seasons. So the Cubs love that. And that doesn't come at a small price.

5:14So for those of you that are going to cry about Owen Casey, if he's part of this deal, which most likely he is, you got to give something up to get a controllable high end arm in Major League baseball. That's just a fact of it. Now, if they have to give up somebody else that you're not happy about, I understand that. But the names that I've heard so far seem very, very reasonable. Yeah, 100%. And even a player like Jefferson Rojas, I think there's some differing opinions whether even even in the deal too as well. A 20 year old player who's flew through the Major leagues has a really great hit tool. People worry about his ceiling in terms of power and defense, but a guy at 20 years old that's accelerated through the minor leagues. You got to like that as a hitting profile. When we talk about the trade package going all the way back to last summer, I think that was some of the fear, right? Of if you want to, it's not even prospect hugging to say it would worry you a little bit. If you got rid of your best corner outfield prospect, your best pitching prospect,

6:18or your best corner in field prospect, which was Max Shaw at the time, two of those three in a deal would make you go, man, this guy better be worth it. But if it is just own Casey, that is the price of doing business and the price of doing business is bringing in Edward Cabrera. Let's stick with the pros for right now. Got an hour to do some of the cons and some of the worries and we'll dive into all that, right? But you mentioned the 97 mile an hour fastball. You mentioned the 94 mile an hour change up the change up that he uses most. He throws a 26% of the time and he uses a devastating curveball just skimming through baseball, Savant Luke. I told it to you pre pod. You threw 531 curveballs last year. Opponents hit 142 against that curveball. They had a whiff percentage of 45%. And a K percentage of 44%. We call that back in the day and out pitch. Yeah. And if that and if the 14 fastball 97 is only 13%.

7:19I would love to see what the sequence and situation of that is. Is is that a kill shot pitches that just when he rears back and and pumps it up a couple extra miles per hour. So there's a lot to like about Edward Cabrera from the sense of just being a pitcher. He had a rough first month of the season with an ERA over seven. The rest of the way barring one month, which I believe was a four ERA. Everything else was sub three. I mean, this guy can be paired with Kate Horton as a one two punch. And not to get too far ahead of ourselves either. When we talk about Edward Cabrera now in the fold. I think as a Cubs fan, it is fair to expect and get excited about the anticipation of now. The Cubs should have enough money now to go out and acquire an impact that via money. I think a lot of fans were a little hesitant, even cynical that buying a pitcher and buying a hitter seemed not very likely that the trade and the and the sign route was maybe the way to go for the Chicago Cubs. If Edward Cabrera, this deal does get finalized.

8:19This then opens up that door for Cubs fans to now get excited about maybe. So this isn't just one deal when it goes through Cubs. This could be multiple deals, which is great news for the Cubs and getting them back to where we wanted them to be when they finished last season, which was one Game away from the NLCS. Yeah, I mean, it's, you have to give up something to get something. And the Cubs have pushed their first major domino of the off season. It was nice that they were spending 30 million dollars in rebuilding the Cubs. the bullpen and going with some different guys and all the adding a guy from Japan. All those things are nice, but and some may prove to be big, big deals once the season gets going. But we know that they had to make a couple major moves here this off season to improve this team and take them above the brewers. You can't keep saying we're doing small things and hoping to catch the brewers by just keeping

9:20your head above water. You've got to lean in and you've got to go for it. Now, I've already seen one person in the chat say, yeah, but now if Casey's gone, who's going to play outfield in 2027? We can't have it both ways. We can't make fun of them for talking about the health of the Cubs in 2032 and then say, worrying about who the outfield somebody may give you a nice deal and say I'm willing to stay. One of your young outfielders still may develop is El Contra are going to be in this deal. I mean, not if Casey is in on the deal and you start to look at other players in the system and you look at other players that can listen, you can find corner outfielders. What you can't find for the 2026 season is a young pitcher under control with some asterisk next to him because of the health, but unquestionably makes your rotation better. Now, when you look at that rotation right now, and you mentioned it, Horton and Cabrera, there are a lot of guys, this is what I was saying about it.

10:22We were taking a lot of what ifs and hopes going into this season with the way it was currently set in the rotation because of injuries, because of past injuries, which are generally the best way to say, well, this might happen moving forward, right? And so that that same can be said of Cabrera, I'm not saying that's not true, but look at the list, Cade Horton finished the year with an injury. Cabrera actually finished the year with an injury. Boyd has never thrown that many innings in a long time. Steel, and when he comes back, he'll be coming off of Tommy John, Tyone was healthy. You're waiting on him and not going to try and fix things. But look at the list of guys, they've started to build that starting pitching depth. And when it got done at the end of the season, guys, it was the biggest problem. They didn't have the starting pitching depth. So while each guy on this list may have something where you could say, yeah, but, yeah, but

11:23you can also, because the list is so big, you can have more of those, well, what ifs in those names? Because there's not just five guys anymore. You could go Horton, Cabrera, Boyd, possibly steel halfway through the season, Tyone. You realize that's five. I haven't even mentioned to Emanaga being back. Colin Ray, Javier Assad, I have N Brown, Jackson Wiggins, and we don't know who's all going back, but it sounds like it's not Wiggins. I'm just saying, if you're talking about guys that are proven at the major league level, Horton, Cabrera, Boyd, Steel, Tyone, Emanaga, Ben Brown, I mean, like, how many guys do you want to go down? It's, this was a move that Cubs had to make. And that's why you have to bite, bite the apple and say, I know this apple could be bad for me, but I'm willing to trade Owen Casey, who we've developed for a long time, because this is who that team wanted, and they have something we want.

12:24Did it come down to the fact that maybe if you were trying, if McKenzie Gore was the other name, did they want Jackson Wiggins? And that's how you push to this level, right? Like, if he's not involved in this deal, then what, okay, he's got less, he's not, he's not as healthy as McKenzie Gore, but you're also not giving up Jackson Wiggins possibly either. Well, so guess what? So, first of all, 2027 left field, all right, Tiasca Hernandez, Ian Hap, Nikas Dianos, who cares, okay? Like, let's live in the now right now, because this is the window and a solid Cubs core with about eight guys that are in walk years next year. So the time to win is right now. So let's just focus on that. The second part is Luke, I remember we did a show in the waking hours or days after they got eliminated. And you said something that the Cubs are now in position to do. You wanted so many starting pitchers on this team. Yes. That one, if a couple of them go down, no big deal. But two, guess what, Luke, I mean, I get it, it's January right now. But if the Cubs ever wanted to go back to the table for a McKenzie Gore situation and

13:27Edward Cabrera checks out, guess what? You could put Jackson Wiggins and Javier Assad or James and Tyrone or whatever into a deal and now get that done and maybe do a Horton Cabrera Gore situation if you wanted to. You now have depth in ways that you did not before. And for the Chicago Cubs and their farm system, they have done a pretty decent job of at least developing or locating through maybe via trade, bats, offensive players. They've done an okay job. They don't do a great job with the pitching. You'll see if Jackson Wiggins can live up to the Cade Horton, but Cade Horton is the first that we've seen quite some time. And Ben Brown is an either or from he heading into this year. So the Cubs seem to be pretty good about developing offensive talents. So I'm not too worried about that. And then the other part about this is Luke, think about it also like this. Oh, in case he was in the U-Darvish trade, you know what I mean?

14:29And now the U-Darvish trade has not only come to fruition, maybe not in the way that you thought with these prospects come up and they become, you know, staple guys in your lineup. And when we don't know about Christian Hernandez and everybody else, but Owen Casey has now turned into Edward Cabrera, a guy who's going to make $3.7 million this year and then his arbitration control eligible for the next two years after that into his age 30 season. So you know, it's funny how these things roll over a little bit. But if you're going to start worrying about the 2027 Cubs, I don't have anything for you today, man, because this is about the 2026 Cubs. And if Edward Cabrera checks out, then that will also fulfill your 2027 wishes too as well. Because that means you got to top at least a number two or number three starter in your rotation for years to come. Waiting for the medicals to be finalized Cubs potentially have a big deal to breaking news edition of the CHTO Cubs podcast. Take a quick break to mention some of our sponsors when we come back. I want to know from the chat what's your grade for acquiring Edward Cabrera here on

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17:35Back on the CHGO Cubs, emergency podcast edition, Michael ceramic, the first report that Cubs finalizing on the one yard line, a deal for Edward Cabera pending these medicals which not necessarily nothing, I don't want to put that on there. So let's get to the medicals part of this and then we'll take a look at what some of the chat is saying. It is time for your taking the temp segment, huh? How about that? Taking the temp, your trust to local experts, four seasons, heating, air conditioning, plumbing, electric, visit four seasons, heating cooling dot com for all their special offers and money saving coupons, four seasons, heating cooling dot com. How do you take the temp? I'm running a little hot, Luke, running a little hot. I'm going to say that. Listen, I've taken my temp plenty in the last three weeks, okay? So I'm a little bit of an expert about stuff like this. There is one major question mark about this deal and everybody knows it's the medicals.

18:36Because like I said, the best predictor of what's going to happen in the future is sometimes what's happened in the past doesn't mean all the time. But here's a player. There's two sides of it. It was a career high 26 starts he had for the Marlins last year, but the list of injuries and when I say injuries, mostly arm injuries, that's what's really sort of scary about this guy. And I've seen some people in the chat saying, a control, our guy runs here, so a controllable front line starter three years at a low cost, it's an A, I would agree with that. But anything that knocks it down to a B would have to be because of these injuries. Now, he's had shoulder impingement. He's had apparently a slight tear in his UCL now. He pitched with that at the end of the season. He was on the injured list plenty. You know, he's had knee injuries, ankle injuries, migraines, shoulder injuries, elbow injuries.

19:37I don't care about the migraines. I don't care about the blisters. I don't care about the ankle. I don't care about the knee. What I care about is the arm. And that's what they have to finalize and make sure they're okay with. But there's, we know there's some risk with it. You know who else had a ton of injuries and there was a risk? This deal reminds me of Rich Harden. Oh, yeah. You know, yeah, like this reminds me of getting Rich Harden high upside. He can fit in your rotation. And you hope they don't throw in Josh Donaldson, you know, and they hope that we hope they're not throwing in Josh Donaldson in this deal. In this case, maybe Owen Casey turns out to be that guy. But if this player ends up being healthier than Rich Harden was and delivering it, you won't care that you traded Owen Casey. Trust me. If Cabrera pitches up to his potential and stays relatively healthy, you will live with the fact of whatever Owen Casey does, even if it's spectacular.

20:39Right. We've got, I see here right elbow tendonitis in 2022 shoulder impagement in 2023, 24 and 25. This light UCLA tear, you see, you see hell tear, excuse me, towards the end of 2025. You know, the part that you worry about a little bit is, I don't really see anywhere on the internet of him having, you know, the two letters that we don't like to hear, right? You always kind of, you always kind of, you know, you always kind of worry about that a little bit. The good news is though, prior to our previous segment, let's say, you can't just say it's all roses going forward and maybe it's something that he deals with from time to time and along majorly baseball season, maybe he is arm, whatever it is, it's tired and flamed. He feels a little discomfort, whatever it is, they have to back off of him. Good news for the Chicago Cubs is the depth that we just talked about previous section where Javier Sade could come in, other guys can take his place, Colin Ray can take his place. The bottom line is for 2026 Luke is the Cubs and Edgar Cabrera need to do everything

21:43that they can to make sure that he's 100 in September and October. That's it. Yeah. If you got to back off of him in July or August or whatever, we should have the reinforcements to be able to do that and still go off and win baseball games. The bottom line, at least for this season, and I think the reason why you're making this trade beyond the controllable years is this guy needs to be ready to roll in September or in October. And that's what's so funny about Kate Horton was they were actually doing a really good job. I feel of pitch count trying to back off of him a little bit. They were managing his innings. He had never been through it before and then whatever. The guy smokes a cigar coughs too hard and then he breaks his ribs. You know what I'm saying? You can't you can't predict that injury. I think there is some maintenance and some preventative care that you can do with Edgar Cabrera to try and get him through a season. But that's the whole thing, man. You need your horses when you need your horses. And that's the only thing that I'm really thinking about when I think about Edward Cabrera.

22:46I don't need him to make 32 starts. I mean, that isn't something that typically happens with pictures these days, right? But you just want to make sure that it isn't something that is a larger issue with him that could take him off the field for a really long extended period of time. Yeah. I mean, guys, I think going into the being in the season, I think last year we still felt like they were short and arm and that was before steel went down for the season. Yeah. What they have built, even though a lot of guys have arms that could be tired, they've rebuilt the bullpen. So they're not rolling the dice necessarily on all the same guys in the bullpen. And maybe somebody that's in that bullpen will be the sweetener on this deal. We don't know. We don't have the names officially from the Cubs. What it was that sweetened it and got this deal across the finish line. But when I look at a playoff series and I can go, let's just say everybody's healthy.

23:48And Cabrera Boyd, Horton Cabrera Boyd's steel, we're not even talking about having Emanaga who could bounce back and who was arguably your ace, right? Like, you're not even talking about him and you're not talking about Tyrone and you're not talking about Ben Brown and a lot of those names, if they're still on the team, can go into the bullpen, they can help you in the bullpen. I'm not looking at a situation where you're saying, am I pitching Colin Ray or am I going Javier Assad that that's not what we want in a winner takes all game going against some team in a playoff series, especially if you're in one of these short series with the Padres. You got to go bang, bang, bang. And with the way some of these hitters are locking in now, pitching is one of the ways you can compete with a team like the Dodgers, having forbid if you get to some point like that. But I think it's also a way that you can step on a team like the Brewers, go all in in

24:49one part. I don't know if the cup, I don't know what the next move is. But this is a nice first domino to have in your back pocket. There's room to fix the offense. And Joe, you mentioned at the beginning, I'm still not against this like I'm not still against like the idea of steel turns out to be healthy and legit. And that's what we're all hoping for. And Emanaga does fix whatever he was going on at the end of last season. And now you have steel, Emanaga, Boyd, Cabrera, Horton, maybe Jackson, Wiggins comes up. And guys, as much as I love him, you would have Tyrone on expiring deal. You'd have him in a gun and an expiring deal. A lot of teams would be anxious to add one of those pitchers and you can restock the farm system that way, or you can go get that bat that you still might need, or you might go get that closer that you still need. What they're doing is stockpiling. I saw somebody say this, this screams of a six man rotation.

25:51It does when steel comes back. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I don't think I'd be upset with that. I wouldn't talk about with an eight man rotation the way baseball has gone. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't be mad if we started pitching these guys because their arms are so fragile. And there is no. I don't believe there's any data that tells you a guy is going to stay healthier because he pitched four innings instead of six. But if you started doing lots of piggyback starts, I wouldn't be against trying that as a new philosophy and baseball. I've said it before. It sounds ridiculous. But if you do have a lot of starters halfway through the season, I'm not against it. You just saw it multiple times throughout this last post season. And you saw it a lot in the world series. You saw guys like Chris Bassett coming in for the fifth and sixth inning of games, right? And I understand that Daniel Plensia was an outgetter and a fireman in our playoff series. So we had to bring him in in the fifth or sixth inning of games.

26:52But I'm right there with you, Luke. And if you're talking about we just did Cabrera, maybe a little concern there. David Horton hasn't finished a season healthy in a couple of years and you're still asking yourself, you know, what are the limits of his in-count and workload and burden that you could put on him when you talk about Justin Steele coming back from injury. You talk about Show to Imanaga and his hamstring. We were having conversations about his Matthew Boyd out of gas, the calf strain of James and Tyone. It's all hands on deck, man. So if you're telling me that the Cubs can suddenly become a trendsetter and maybe start stretching some of this out a little bit and doing some rotations of a six man rotation. If Craig Council is going to sit here and say, I believe in outgetters, I don't believe in rules. Well, then guess what? Five man rotation isn't something that needs to necessarily be in our lexicon, right? Right. And again, and my other one is again, we don't know the pieces. I've heard some stuff, but I don't want to just throw in names out there.

27:56If their mothers and fathers are watching and they're going, oh, my God, my young prospect kid is going to some other say, you know what I mean? But if it is only just Owen Casey and as the headliner in the prospect deal, the probably going to be three, four guys. And if there is a sweetener, maybe there's a fifth, keeping your powder dry still with a guy like Jackson Wiggins or even a guy like Matt Shaw, provides you an opportunity still to go out and get really creative towards the deadline again. If you really wanted to go overboard again and bring somebody else in, I mean, you have an inventory now. And if that, when this deal goes through, if this deal goes through, it will at the very least when Jed says we're going to be focusing on pitching and starting pitching in the offseason, he wasn't joking around, right? I mean, that was, that was a very transparent comment. And he's going for it, right?

28:56Like I will always have a bit of a pushback on the way they go about it to try and make the money work because you are the Chicago Cubs, you should make the money work for you as in throw it at a bunch of great players, have them win a ton of games at Wrigley Field and watch the money roll in, which it already is rolling in, right? They just had their fifth best attendance record in the last 25 years right next to the World Series. They just had their third, they just played their third most playoff games of the last 25 years are honestly probably the last 50 or 60 years, because if you look at it, Luke, you've got 2015, 2016, and then I think they wait, 2015, 2016, 2017, and then this season for the most playoff games they've played, it's probably the 60s or 50s, dude. So I'm always going to push back on that, but bringing in this type of player that obviously

29:57was coveted that they've been looking at for a long time to huge win for the Cubs and it provides them a lot of flexibility and versatility on that pitching staff now that suddenly got really interesting. Excuse me. Yeah, we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, I'm going to tell you the only way I see this deal being a true mistake. What would that be? Join us on the live YouTube chat, give us your comments, but first a word from our sponsors on the CHGO Cubs podcast, emergency edition. The folks from game day men's health stop by our office the other day, just great people had great conversations with them and they helped get us on the track to being healthy, whether it's peak performance or becoming a better father, better husband, better man, better dog dad, game day men's health wants to support every men's health journey through personalized care tailored to your goals, not somebody else's, your goals, very easy

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33:03here. A coworker's blowing it up right now, so he's doing the best he can. He's working his magic here, he says stand out pitches that change up 95 miles an hour on average. If he's coachable, a lot of paths forward to pitch to optimism, his curve is nasty. The Cubs may try to work that fast rework that fastball because that was really his biggest problem. And if you match that fastball, fixed up a repaired forcing fastball, if you can match that up with a change up and the curve, now you're talking about potential, right? So I mentioned only ways that this turns out to be a big mistake. It's not the Cabrera injuries. Your price is lower already because of the Cabrera injuries. That's most likely the scenario, okay? In case I understand, people will say you have to go, but that's the price you would

34:05pay for somebody like this. In fact, I thought it would be more than some of the names that I'm hearing. If Jackson Wiggins were in on this deal, that's the only way I would hesitate about this. Their top pitching prospect. Now yesterday we talked about it. They've done it before. They've traded Chris Archer away. They've traded Andrew Cashner away. And to a certain degree, both of those work just fine, okay? It's why I've said Jackson Ferris was okay because look what you got back. You got back Michael Bush who could be playing first base for a long time and could be your superstar player over at first base. The reason I wouldn't trade Jackson Wiggins in this deal and I don't believe the Cubs have. Nobody has said, right now Jesse Rogers is saying no top pitching prospects. The reason I would agree with the Cubs not doing that is because of the injuries. You can't risk. You can't risk the injuries versus the control of a top arm pitching prospect.

35:11It's not an apples for apples, but if you're telling me it's somewhere where you can go with own Casey and you can find other outfielders and that might mean you're bringing Seya back and he might be in right mobile or could you be your DH or what we've heard. We've heard about the possibilities that the Cubs are checking in on Kyle Tucker again because he's still out there. Yeah. I mean, if you were to tell me that the Cubs brought back Kyle Tucker or added Boba Shett or added Alex Breggman, one of those four players, if one of those four players was added to this team, along with Edward Capraire, I would say and you read on the bull pen, I would say job well done. It doesn't mean it's guaranteed to work, but I would say job well done. So I just am glad they didn't trade their top pitching prospect yet for a guy with a lot of injuries. There's a reason to make this deal, a lot of them. I would agree. It's an A or a B deal, but that would be the one player I would have been hesitant to

36:17give up. Right. Yeah. Wiggins. That's why I feel like I've been fairly, I've been fairly midwarm. I would never say lukewarm, by the way. I think that's an insult. I think I've been a little midwarm about the Edward Capraire situation because every time we hear it, we're saying KC plus Wiggins or KC plus Shaw. And that makes me go, and that is a stiff price for a guy that man, he's got great stuff, but he hasn't really. I mean, last year was the first year that he's really kind of done it for 26 starts. And even then he had a couple of shoulder issues. So I'm 100% with you. But the fact that if it is only just KC and some other pieces, I am more willing to live with that and get more excited because also these things in a vacuum, these things all come with risk. Like I get it, it's the Los Angeles Dodgers, okay? So giving Blake's now 100 million dollars, he's got injury history, Tyler Glass now

37:21has injury history, Michael King on the San Diego Padres has injury history, okay? And all those guys are getting 20, 25, maybe even 30 million dollars a year. The Cubs decided to not go that route, but they are going a similar route with a guy that they believe has huge, huge, huge upside, but also has a, can he stay out there, kind of, stay out there a little bit. And if you look with all those guys that I mentioned, the three that I mentioned caused Bukku Bucks and all of them didn't necessarily make 30 starts, right? The idea is to have those guys when you need them the most. The part that I keep thinking about Luke and I wanted to pose this one to you and I think we're ready to do it is what do you think the Cubs think of Owen Casey? He keeps popping up, baby. I mean, I get it. There's a lot of supporters of him out there. I believe he's 139 WRC plus in 99 games last year at AAA with 22 homeruns, 55 RBI's,

38:24those numbers are great. A lot of swing and miss in his game still very young player is time to develop, but it seems like over at least since last July, Owen Casey's name gets attached in almost every single trade linked to the Cubs. So at the end of the day, just maybe now that he possibly is moving on, what do you think it is ultimately that made him the number one guy in all these trade pieces for the Cubs? If you could just speculate, because yeah, you know what my speculation is, I don't think it's anything against Owen Casey. I think he's going to go on to be a really good major league outfielder. I think he's going to be a left handed power guy and he's going to strike out a bunch because that's what power guys do and it's tough to close that hole that he may have in his swing, but he's still going to hit a lot of homeruns. He's more athletic than I thought when I got to see him play in the outfield last year. Yes. But the Cubs are trying to acquire top end players via these trades.

39:27This isn't getting a mid-level pitcher. This is we're looking for near the top of our rotation type guy and there are some risks because of the injuries and we may have to fix something. He's not a perfect player, but you can see a path to this guy being a dominant pitcher in your rotation for three years. And you can't get that player from somebody, a controllable for three years guy who's making almost nothing this season. You can't get that player without giving up something of value. And the thing that other teams look at in the Cubs system right now and value, they say, okay, who do I want? I want Jackson Wiggins, I want Owen Casey, I want Mo Baller, I want Cade Horton and the Cubs probably said no, no, no, no, no, on Cade Horton and they probably said no on Jackson Wiggins. So now you're down to Mo Baller and Casey and it doesn't mean that the Cubs valued one more than they valued the other.

40:27It means this is what it took to get the other team to bite. The other team might have said the same thing that some of us have said about Mo Baller's high ceiling. He doesn't have a position. Owen Casey does have a position. He could play a corner outfield spot for you. I do believe either either of them, either of them. So some teams may value that more than others, you know, and they the Cubs might have been dangling Alcatra in this and trying to hold out and say, no, no, Alcatra. Or it's possible that they were waiting for Jackson Wiggins on the other side. And they said, no, and the Yankees aren't going to go up as high as we are. So here's the deal and you're going to take it and we'll give you this sweetener. We don't know the sweetener. I see a Toyota super chat. It says from Ryan Gross-Nickel. Does it sound like anyone on the MLB roster is traded, Shaw, Nico, Alcatra or all prospects. We don't know that answer. I heard, I heard about, I heard about, I heard about one, I heard about one guy that I'm not going to name and it won't shake your foundation.

41:32It's not match-up, right? But it is a guy that you'll go, oh, yeah, not a position player. But one guy, I heard on the Major League roster that you would go, oh, man, okay. But I don't want to say. But it's, they're not, I'll be floored. I'll drop over and I'll change my mind about the whole, there's only one way this goes bad. Listen, they're not including Nico and Owen Casey to get this deal done. That's not happening. There's too many entries on the other side. That's not happening. I don't believe that Matt Shaw is included in this deal. That's an episode in the upside down, Luke. We're like, we're happy right now. That is the opposite of that, we're, if that were to come. Then we'll have a whole nother podcast that everybody can rant and rave about. But thank you for the Toyota super chat, Ryan. Yeah, can I just have, can I just add this on Casey, just like I don't think it's really against Nico Horner that is not that other teams are asking about players that they think

42:34you might have a tiny reason to deal, but that are good and would fit their team. We've said all along about the Nico rumors. It's because he doesn't hit for power and he has an expiring deal. Everybody loves everything else he does literally everything else he does. But that's so do other teams. And that's why they're just checking in to see if like you think maybe, well, if we're not going to reassign them and we could do this and we have other options. Could we pull Nico Horner off your roster, I think that's the same thing with own Casey. Cubs were listening to just about anything, but they didn't have to go necessarily probably all in on this because there were some medicals on the other side that arm and elbow that make you say, ooh, let's not go all in on this. Right. I think that's a great perspective because I feel similar to that in the sense of, and I'll reiterate something I feel like I've said on the show where I think Owen Casey has

43:35a lot of potential. I don't think the timing is lining up with where the Cubs are with Owen Casey, right? I think Owen Casey would benefit from 450 to 500 bats in the major league level and go like this all season long. And yeah, man, strike out 160, 170 times and try and bash your way to 20 bombs and get through it, warts and all learn a lot and then see where you are on the other side, right? I think the floor for Owen Casey can be a guy like Gavin sheets. I don't know what his ceiling necessarily is. I just know it didn't exactly line up with where the Cubs are right now because they've made this decision, right? They have a veteran core of players sprinkled in with a few young guys that they've enveloped into the team over the last couple of years. Matt Shaw, Pico Armstrong, I'm still going to say Michael Bush is a pretty young player because this is only, he's entering only his third major league season, Cade Horton, Daniel

44:39Polensia, Miguel Amaya, all those guys at one point or another had to go through some trials and tribulations to get to where they are now. And Matt Shaw still has a way to go. So having said that is adding another one onto the plate with maybe even adding another more baller onto the plate and bringing in Jackson Wiggins next year. It just gets a little dicey for me for a team that's in a cycle right now that should be competing and getting really serious about making some noise in October, which they did just this previous last season. You want to build upon that. So I don't think it is so much to do with Owen Casey is maybe, yeah, they, they, they targeted and valued him as the kind of guy that we like a lot, but maybe he can be the person to transact and extract value that we need in another area right now, which turned out to be controllable pitching. And I think that's maybe just sort of where that lands with Owen Casey. I mean, I wish him the best if he is in the deal and he moves on to be a Miami Marlin. And I hope that they gave him a lot of really good run, but it might have a little bit more

45:42to do with timing than anyone else. I got, I got one for you, because he's just fresh on our mind right now. And when or if this deal gets finalized, um, all things considered, do you like this more than giving Tetsuya my 54 million dollars? Yeah, I'll throw, I'll throw three names in there, right? Am I doing the deal for a my? Is this is this a pivot after a my didn't sign with the Cubs? Or is this something they actually potentially preferred, but couldn't quite get done without that sweetener? And in my was the, my was the backup plan, because they're like, you know, we're banging our head on the wall. Man, that's right. And when that was off the table, they said, all right, we're going to do the sweetener. We got to get this done. Let's go get Cabrera. That's more risky. Bringing a guy over that a lot of teams are not sure about the throws a hundred miles

46:43an hour and is coming from Japan, but you're not sure and locking him in for three years at way more money. Or rolling the dice on these injuries and losing some prospects that you really like. I always have said I would rather go spend the money route because you're the Chicago Cubs. And this particular apples to apples, I would suggest that there's just as much risk in my, and this isn't second guessing, I'm just saying like, if you're just talking about player coming to you, there's just as much risk in my, maybe more because you're talking about big money contract with an opt out. And you don't know how it's going to play a lot of teams aren't sure how it's going to play versus a guy who has proven he can do it at the major league level. Might need a tweak at a fastball, most importantly, needs to stay healthy. And the third name I was going to throw in there is the other one we've heard about

47:46the Marlins over and over. Would you feel better about this deal going for El Contra than you would for Cabrera? Let's say whatever this, whatever this package is. Let's say the same package was being asked or offered for El Contra. Now more proven, but coming off of Tommy John. Now he wasn't perfect of it last year, but you could see signs that maybe he was coming back, which would, would you rather have a guy that's already had the Tommy John? Or would you rather have the younger guy who's got the high upside in his under control for three years? I can't answer that, but I now in hindsight, when I look at it and I say, am I and the money? Normally I'd say I would always want to spend the money. But this move now allows the Cubs to spend that money on the bat they still need. Go get one of the bats that you need with your money.

48:50So when we talk about a my versus Cabrera, I think the one thing that's indisputable that would give me more confidence in Cabrera right now than a my is that the thing that's indisputable and the thing that I know is certain is Cabrera's change up and curveball play at the major league level. And oh, baby does it play. I mean, the numbers are eye popping. I'm a 99, a 97 mile an hour fastball and a 94 mile an hour change up that moves in and right, right handed bat side that almost works a little bit like a two seamer. It's nasty stuff, right? I mean, that's, that's, that's a known, that's a known commodity. In terms of sealing, it's hard to project right with a my having said that though. When you talk about Sandy, Hacantra, that known commodity is also a guy who's a sion candidate when he's right. Yes. And a guy who also let's not forget in 2020 when no one was in the stands at Rigley Field,

49:54mystified a Cubs office towards the tail end of the cubby core. I mean, so he's been in, I mean, at least you could say he's been in some sort of postseason action. And he's also a guy that I know out of that James and Ty on mode of the Chicago Cubs. Sandiel Contra gives you six, seven, eight innings. He's going to take the ball and he's going to go deep into games to great luxury to have. So all things being equal, I probably would take Sandiel Contra. The question is now though, when we get into the baseball nerd stuff, is what is my confidence and faith level in terms of sealing projection with those three players moving forward? I can't sit here and tell you definitively, I know the answer to that question. But I would tell you that if the shoulder stuff wasn't a thing with Cabrera, this would be an easy call between him and am I an easy call? I think it's slam dunk personally because my confidence and my faith that his ceiling moving forward as he's entering his prime, especially with those two pitches, I would just

50:57trust that more than to see am I coming over and I might possibly be wrong. But when you talk about Sandiel Contra and certainty and knowing what you're getting, the way that he finished out his year, it may give me, it may give me a little bit more confidence than Cabrera, right? But again, these are all questions. Those are three pitchers that are going to be fascinating to watch next year of where they go and how they perform. And hopefully for the Chicago Cubs, it's Edward Cabrera coming out number one out of those three. Yeah. And if you're the Marlins and you have Al Contra and you think he is going to pitch at that level, then that's not the time to necessarily trade him. If I were them, I would roll the dice on Al Contra having a great season and then completely stocking my farm system by trading them at the end of the year. That's what I would do without Contra. If I were them, this wouldn't be the time. Cabrera, you're able to trade him now because you don't know what his season is going to be like.

51:58He just had 26 starts and most he's had and he's had some armed problems and if you can get this across the finish line, you might be able to get certain guys. I do want to talk about just the potential since we're near the end of the podcast, like who could be in on the deal. I'll throw a few names out there. Yeah, quick shout out 463 people in the chat right now. This is awesome guys. Thank you so much for tuning in and sports over everything. All that good stuff. It's great. It's a good day to be a Cubs fan. It's a good day to be a die heart too because this is what we do. If you don't know, this is what we this is what we do. And when there's news, we break in and do a podcast. We do them all the time, do them every day, but like here we are. And there's a playoff special right now for 36 bucks, introductory offer to get you the die heart deal. It's basically three bucks, three bucks a month and you get the die heart card and you get a free t-shirt which, you know, you can't get too many t-shirts for like 36 bucks right now. So the Iceman t-shirts out there, get ready, get ready, whatever shirt you want, you

53:01can put it on there. But that's the deal. 36 bucks, introductory offer for the first year. And it comes with all these stuff written by Jared Willis. It comes with all the stuff written by Hogue and Johns and Jay Zewoski. So every team in town, it's not just, you're not just getting a Cubs membership. You're getting a Chicago sports die heart membership and you're getting a free t-shirt. And the die heart card I tell you about. The die heart card comes in, it's part of the pro, it, listen, it's instant credibility. You show it to somebody and they're like, I want to date that guy or girl right there. Look at that die heart card. You put away the gold card and you just hold up the die heart card and they're like, wow. Are you doing the wild, wild west trade card guy right now? This one's really gotta go on and I'm dropping the losers. Now I've got a die heart. I tell you right now, I don't look good deals. Get by me, baby. 36 dollar initial offer. I'm in. I've never seen that guy before. He's amazing. Yeah.

54:02Okay. So as for, and by the way, we have the tailgate going on Saturday for the playoff game. 2 to 6 PM. That's gonna be packed. Dude. Packed. I'm gonna be bouncing, bouncing people left and right. I will be there. Come hang out with me. You're gonna high five. I'm all for this deal. We even though we don't know the names and that's why I can't give it a grade yet. But if everything we're reading is true, then we don't believe somebody like Nico is in the deal. We don't believe Jackson Wiggins is in the deal. They're top pitching prospect. So most people have speculated and we'll go ahead. We're a podcast. What do we care? We'll say, let's say it's Casey, Jonathan Long who had a really nice season, but probably doesn't fit unless he's some sort of backup on your team this year and may, may be a really good for a player or might turn out to be a good major league player, but isn't considered a top two prospect in your organization.

55:05And I don't know. Maybe they throw everybody's wondering, well, aren't they going to want pitching back, right? No, maybe a top 12 top 15 guy. I would think the Marlins are going to go for lower level prospects that they want to hit on, right? Like they're hoping you trade them somebody that still has room to grow. They're not really trying to win this year, not if they're trading Edward Cabrera. They're thinking about the future. They're thinking cheap. They're probably thinking there might be a work stoppage. So maybe it's some younger prospects. I've seen a lot of people asking the question, is it going to have to be Wix or Ben Brown or somebody else? That's a good question. And my question back to you would be, if you had to trade a pitcher back to the Marlins in this deal, would you rather it be or had Ben, Ben Brown or Jackson Wiggins?

56:14I can't answer that because I haven't seen enough of Jackson Wiggins. I can't say yes or no. But I still believe in Ben Brown, especially as part of the potential in that re-built bullpen. Like we're talking about, yeah, they could have eight starters. Well, Ben Brown could fit into that mix too. He's shown you some of that, but he also could be part of this re-built bullpen that could give you the closer that you're looking for or the setup guy that you're looking for. I, I, Daniel Polensia is not going to be in this deal. I'll be shocked to see where in this deal. So would you rather have Ben Brown? Would you rather have Jackson Wiggins? Would you rather, if Wix is in the deal, I would say you've run your course with Wix. It's not that I don't like him, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if they put Jordan Wix in the deal. And I would wish him well, and hope he goes on to have a great career, Assad. Would you be upset if Assad was in the deal?

57:15I think the name that would scare me the most putting in the deal would be Wiggins one, but then it'd be Ben Brown. I think just the way that this, the way the game works, right, is Jackson Wiggins right now is an ascending prospect coming through the ranks that they anticipate graduating at the major league level and beginning his process as a starting pitcher. And they're going to see where that goes. I think that holds the most value when you come to the table and you start bartering over the different chips that you have. Ben Brown, now while graduated to the major league level, there are a lot of question marks about him as a starting pitcher. We've seen it in the first inning of games. And I think a lot of people now realize that if he doesn't refine or find some sort of third pitch that people can respect and honor, his curveball and his fastball is kind of it. And we've gone over with Ben Brown before that the quality pitches the fastball in the

58:16zone is what bothers me the most and what gets him into trouble. So as of right now, even though Ben Brown is a major league baseball player and he, I like him a lot and he does have value. If I had to put it in a box right now, he is probably trending closer to bullpen and he is being a rotation guy. Jackson Wiggins right now, his projection remains in the starting rotation. So even though I'm not, have as much intimate detail knowledge of watching every single pitch of Jackson Wiggins career, I would say his value is more. I think, I think Javier Assad is the third one in that piece, even though he is more accomplished at the major league level than the three. So that's what makes it kind of funny is, is what do you value? How do you project and what do you, when you get something back, what are you trying to extract over a course of time from a player? I think Javier Assad is the most accomplished, even though he would be the third in that ranking. Let's go over time. What do you say? Yeah, it's cool a bit. Let's do.

59:16Too good to stop the conversation. Gotta keep going. Offense. Uh, yeah, Ben Brown's an interesting name. I haven't heard his name in the deal, right? Again, we heard maybe lower level prospects, I think most people think Casey's in on there. We've heard a Cubs reliever possibly being on the sweetener. There's a whole other podcast once you know who all the names are that are going back. But you have to be satisfied one way or another with the Cubs have added a possibly really good front line starter and somebody in the in the chat here at the live YouTube chat mentioned, hey, what if, what if everybody was back? Like what if steel is back? What if boy is great? What if Emanag is awesome? What if yada yada yada? What if Horton's the real deal? I could see Cabrera moving to a bullpen roll and being like, okay, well, I'm not saying

1:00:20rally cake, rally cake, rally cake being a lot of rally cake, if that's the case. And I did see there was a Marlon's fan in here that said, good deal for you guys. I just missed it. I said, as a Marlon's fan, good deal for you guys. You got yourself some bulldog. I hope so. I hope so. I also saw potential there. I also saw Christina D'Nocola, I hope I'm pronouncing her name correctly. She's a beat writer for the Marlon saying that this deal might not be finalized until tonight or tomorrow too as well. So this might be, we might be waiting a little bit on this. And yeah, I mean, look, I'm curious, I think it's a trade that could possibly help both teams, right? And those are the best kind of trades to make. And, and again, like, it does open up the door now. He is, I just want to hold on, I just want to pull it up here so I get it right.

1:01:21He is scheduled to cost next year $3.75 million. Edward Cabrera with a 94 mile an hour change up and a curveball with a 45% width rate, $3.75 million and then he'll be arbitration eligible for two years that are controllable years that'll obviously jack that number up. But for just next year, Luke, $3.75 million. So I'm not a math whiz right? But if you look, a lot of people say the cub has had anywhere between, I believe it was $34 to $37 million left to spend before they're starting to nudge up against that luxury tax. That means, Luke, they have at least $30 more million left to spend. Where do you think that leads them? Offense. Yes. Offense leads him to spending for a bat. It leads him in that direction. We asked what's the way to, what's the way to get it done this off season? Well, the easiest route is to step on all the teams in your division because you have more money. And just start spending money while the Cubs don't appear to want to do that, right?

1:02:26They're spending more money than everybody in the division, but they don't want to spend like the J's or they don't want to spend like the Mets, right? They don't want to go that crazy. So now that they've made this the most likely route for acquiring what they need and if we know it, let's hope they know it. I'm sure they do. They know they need a pitcher and they need a hitter. It looks like they're pushing the pitcher finally across the finish line. They're going to finally move some prospects and go get a control because he's controllable and because he's not a high money guy, now you have the money left to do the other side of it. You do both. You use your money and you use your prospects. And for anybody that says they should only use the money, I hear you. I'm with you on that, but it's not reality. It's not what they're doing. And so let's look at it. Let's just accept it. This is the way they're going to run it. Okay. Well, now, now they can go spend the money and it doesn't have to be a massive deal.

1:03:33It looks like some of these might be creeping back into their zone. I don't know who it's going to be. I don't know if it is Breggman. I don't know if it is talker coming back or Belinger or Boba, I like all four players. I really do. All four players would be a nice ad to this Cubs team. But they would accomplish what they could do with money. They could accomplish what we asked them to do going into the offseason. They could have a starter, a high-end starter with a couple of questions. Adding starting rotation depth, they would have Emanaga back. They would have Cabrera back and now on the team and they would have Steelback at some point and then they would have added this bat to fill the hole that possibly is created by Tucker. And if I can be greedy as a Cubs fan, yes, if you could be greedy, what would you do? I got to get one of those more players. Yeah, yeah. One of those four players and I'm going to add something to that.

1:04:33Do not trade Niko Horner, okay, just, I just, I want, it wouldn't be an embarrassment of riches, right? But this would provide depth and versatility that I think we've rarely seen on a Cubs team. And I think it would be a team that we would be proud to root for as we celebrate the 10-year anniversary of ending the 108-year drought with the Chicago Cubs. If you add an impact back and you keep Niko for one, that one more year through the walk year, whether you extend him, whether you end up trading Matt Shaw, whatever the situation is. I just want to roll in opening day, ready to rock guns blazing, a lot of scenarios and a lot of things that you can, that you can solve if things go sideways for you in different ways. That is really exciting to me. I've been pretty much bang in the table that I think Alex Regman is the guy all went along.

1:05:33I'm feeling a little froggy today. I'm feeling a little frisky. If I had to rank them right now of just what my choice is, and these guys are all sitting out there, I will tell you that now that maybe a possible 27 soon to be 28-year-old Edward Cabrera is now in the rotation with two years of control, and we talked about Justin Steele, Kate Horton, all that good stuff. I'm still rinking Kyle Tucker number one. I'm still rinking Boba Shett number two now, and I got Alex Regman number three. The 27-year-old Boba Shett, hitting in the middle of that lineup, surrounded by gold glovers, defense be damned, is very, very, very intriguing to me. The comment from earlier about who's playing left field in 2027, that could be Boba Shett, it's also you figure it out, because now you're starting to just collect a young core, again, a new cubby core, right? I love Alex Regman, he's 32 years old. But again, you're going to have to capitalize on at least those first three years of whatever

1:06:38that four or five-year deal is before you maybe start seeing diminished results. That's just father time. The Boba Shett thing now is very, very, very intriguing to me. I keep Kyle Tucker at one, not because of it being realistic. I keep Kyle Tucker at number one, because I just think he's the best hitter of the three. I just do. I still think he's the best hitter of the three, and he's 29 years old. He's still sitting out there right now. He doesn't have the deal that he wants. So if it isn't the blue Jason all around player, and yeah, I agree, and we saw what happened what he does with the lineup when he's out there and he's in there, and you don't really have to change a whole lot, right? And Mo baller better learn how to be a catcher, like, okay, you know what I mean? Like figure it out. So those three, I would probably rank those three right now as the guys that I would most like to see. If it ends up being an A.U. Hennios Suarez or something like that, okay, fine. The Cubs got better. But now you have that $30 million.

1:07:39Please, please, please, do not just carry the space, and we're going to spend it the deadline and stuff, because you already said that that didn't work last year. Don't anticipate it's going to work this year. Take that $30 million right now, bring in that impact bat, and please, please, please, make that not mean you have to trade an equal honor. Just one year, guys. Just go for it. One year. I promise you, Jed has done a good job. You're going to slide right underneath and have plenty of money to spend and plenty to space to think about financially. The flexibility is there. You've planned for this. This could be Jed's opus, if you will, if you were to try and land an impact bat at Edward Cabrera and keep an equal honor. That is my final salvo, my final pitch for what's going to happen moving after this. Eventually, you got to trade prospects. I'm not into the idea of keeping every prospect and hoping that the ones that hit make their way up to the Major League level. You lost Brennan Davis. It didn't work out. You can go through a list of guys that they should have traded at some point when they

1:08:43had a chance. They're finally going to trade some prospects here, and I don't disagree with Brad and Live YouTube chat that says, a couple of their young guys have to become stars. That is true. But that's true whether you make some of these deals or not, and everybody before you dog on but shits defense, remember, one way to make them not play too much defense is A, he could be your D H, B, have a pitcher who's just going to strike out a lot of guys, and they're adding some of those guys too. That's another way. I think if once this deal goes across the finish line, assuming the medicals are done, it will make the Cubs better, and it sets them up for domino number two. It saved them at Cubs convention from sitting there having done nothing. Not that they cared about that, but now everybody can see a vision of this is this is closer to being adding on to a 92 in team that was one win away from going to the NLCS.

1:09:45I can see a path right in the path. And small ball queen. Welcome back in the chat. Two days in a row. And Caledon can streak going together. Thank you for coming back in. She said Kyle Tucker wasn't the best player on the Cubs last year. Okay. That's fine. That's good news. Yeah. And where the money gets tossed around like that's none of our concern, right? You want to add good players back into this lineup. And I also just say that I always go back and remember, it isn't apples for apples. But if you remember correctly, Moises allew was absolutely terrible his first year of his deal with the Chicago Cubs. And everyone was sitting around saying, what are we doing? What are we thinking? And he came back and he delivered two or three really great seasons. He wasn't a good, he was a great player, was not a good Cubs. But again, I'm talking about production only right now that some guys, you know, sometimes you have the year from hell, sometimes it doesn't work out the way you want to. I believe in the totality of the resume of Kyle Tucker, more than I do the final two or three months of the season of last year. All right. I think we've done enough because we don't know the players coming back yet.

1:10:45Yeah. I brought out the Michael ceramic for first getting this news across that the Cubs are trying to realize this deal, a deal for Edward Cabrera, who would slide right into the top half of their rotation and make them much better. Once we know what's going on with everything else, don't forget Corey and Brennan also have the Cubs related podcast coming up tomorrow. Can't miss. Can't miss. Can't miss. It's doctors going to break this down with so many heat maps and graphs. You want to know what about this picture? He's going to have, he's going to tell you about the millimeters between this release point and that release point. He's going to have heat maps all over the place and it'll probably have to sponge himself off because he's going to be so fired up about this. I got, I got heat maps everywhere right now. If you're going to need through X-ray, I am just, I'm fired up all so long. Thanks, everybody. The joint is in the live YouTube chat for this breaking news edition of the CHGO Cubs podcast presented by our friends at Xfinity. We hope to see you back here and we know more.

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