E163: Dive Deep—The Root of the Mind Is in the Heart

0:00and juggerative, trimesters. We really talk about to work with the mind and the heart and the daily process of life. You have to start with the small stuff. It's the simple little things that your body is off about. And then people write me and say, yeah, but there's big stuff. There's a lot more small stuff. The things that irritate you, the driver in front of you, the weather, the rain, what somebody said, what somebody didn't say, which you thought somebody said, what do you remember? Somebody said 10 years ago, and I don't know what they meant, and what are they doing now? What are you doing? If you do that with your mind, it's going to cause disturbance. It's going to cause you not to be comfortable. Why? Because it's making you not comfortable. Here's to say this, what if I took a headset? Now a day is going to be earplugs. But take a headset and put it over your head. And I'm going to take a microphone. Don't let me do it. I'm going to do that stuff inside

1:01your head all day. Oh my God. You forgot. You forgot what you said the other day. I wonder if she's still thinking about it. She'll call her. No. Guess she's probably not thinking about it. I'll bring a minor of it. And then how does it like me talking to you that? That's what's going on inside your head. Do you understand that? All the time. Don't you dare say it's not. It's just these thoughts are popping up and feelings and thoughts of future feelings and all this stuff goes on. Witness consciousness is not stopping that. It's not about stopping that. So being aware that you are in there watching that. And eventually you'll watch it and you'll say, whoa, no wonder I'm not okay. No wonder there's so many problems inside of me because I'm making them be. Well, that's the small stuff. So tonight we take a moment because you write me all the time. What about the big stuff? It's irrelevant. I'll do it, but it's irrelevant because you can't handle small stuff. You're not going to handle the big stuff. Not chance in the world. If you can't

2:05handle the fact that it's raining, when you don't want to be raining, you're in trouble. Because then if somebody leaves you or somebody dies or if you're sick or something happens, there's no way you're handling it. Not chance in the world. If you can't handle this hot out and complain all the time, whether it's going to be so hot or the fact that you saw something you didn't like, oh my God, I can't believe how disgusting the color combination was. That's ridiculous. They want a car like that. What are you doing? Has nothing to do with you? It's just something that's happening inside your mind that you're not paying attention to. And it's letting you get upset, letting you bring your down. That's what creates your moods. What about the big stuff? What you want to find is the big stuff is way, way harder to do with. And the way you're trying to do with the big stuff is to make a stop. Not to handle it. To make a stop. I can't believe you said what you said. I can't handle it. You need to stop it. You need to apologize. In other words, I can't

3:08handle it. There's no way I can handle it. If I can handle it right in front of me, if I can handle the weather, if I can handle it, I got a skiddle bite. These dumb things that there's nothing to do about other than that can handle it with you. All right. Now you have something going on, which which reminds me of a little crazy and a horse going crazy. And it's going to talk about every single time, everything it's talking about is what I do about this. How do I stop this? You don't realize that. Somebody said, you do something and you get jealous over what the skiddle bit other did. And what are you trying to do? How do I stop this mess from going inside of me? How do I stop the feeling of jealousy? How do I stop it? How do I deal with it? Not why is it happening? Not is it real? It's just what I need to do to stop it. I need to drink. I need to smoke. I need to drugs. I need to yell at somebody. I need to I need to do something. I can't handle this energy. Well, you're going to find, but you're not, unless you're ready,

4:12unless you get a little small stuff, I don't mind talking about it because that's like graduate school. If you can't handle on to grad or high school, you're not going to be able to handle the big stuff. I'm telling you, if I had my way, I would only talk about small stuff because you can't even handle that. You don't let yourself be okay with things that make no difference at all. Like what happened to you 10 years ago, or somebody might have said or didn't say, or somebody might say in the future, you should make it up in your head causing trouble for yourself. So while it's you causing trouble for yourself, I highly suggest you're not going to do that before you handle a breakup, before you handle somebody dying before you hand to get fired. That's not something you're doing. It's something you have to deal with. But if you're going to continue creating in your mind, these disturbances that are only there because you put them there. It's true it happened 10 years ago. Has it happened since? No. But I'm embarrassed of what I said. I was in high school and I didn't know what I was doing and the whole cast left of me. I was 10 years

5:15ago. Why is that still in there? So that's a situation what I'm talking about. That believe it or not is small stuff. Why? There's nothing to do about it. You're not going to go back and make it not happen. You're not going to think of some way. So what you're doing, all you do then is try to figure out how can I deal with the fact that this is going on in my head. And I can't deal with it. It's uncomfortable. Try to call somebody should do that. Like I said, it's right. Drinks. I smoke. There's drugs. Should I try to go run around or is it partying? It's so loud that I can't see myself straight. What do I need to do to not have this stuff be bothering me? And the truth is what you need to do is every minute of every day of your life is keep watch. Not stress. Just notice are you causing yourself trouble? The world doesn't have to do anything. You're perfectly capable of doing it for yourself all the time. Do you hear me? Are you aware of that? Do

6:17you know that's going on in there? Like the vast majority of all the stuff is going on in your mind, other than your intellectual, purely intellectual flaws, which you wish you could have more, particularly distracted by your personal flaws, or vast majority of these. Are you just popping into your mind to cause trouble for yourself? So I want to talk about the bigger stuff, but it's irrelevant. It's truly irrelevant. If you can't play tennis with a ball thrower or with a coach, you ain't playing in the back of the row or the wheel of sisters. I guarantee you. But if you want to, you can practice, you can learn, you can do things that will make you better and better, but we don't do it. We just let ourselves create all this mess that is meaning this. I ought to call it meaning this because it's not still happening. Either it didn't happen and you made it up and it's bothering you. You like that one? All right. How many things have you worried about in your life that didn't happen? But I wish you could take inventory. You freak out.

7:17I'm telling you, it's 95% of every single thing you ever worried about did not happen. You're not going to be sure to worry about. You might think, sir, wherever it is. No, this is more important. No, no, that was important. You're worried about what you should worry about. It gets really weird in there. Have you noticed? Okay. All right. Fine. I did my job. That's where your work is. There. Learn. Okay. How do you do it? Just learn to look at that and say, that is a waste of my happiness. That's a waste of my love. That's a waste of my joy. I'm creating trouble for myself and then try to figure out how to make it go away. How about don't create it? And you do that by letting go. It's always letting go. Just relax in the face of it. Yes, it's hot out, but I can handle it. Yes. Somebody says something or maybe somebody will say something I don't like. That's a better one. You're pretty nutting in there. Can't you? All right. Relax. Okay. Now, let's say you're ready for graduate school. Whether you're ready or not, you're going to hit it. I think

8:19a while to talk about it. How do you handle when the mind is disturbed? The mind is having trouble with something. And that's generally down to something. Not a whole went to little things every few minutes. Like it was hot. Oh my God. What did he say? No, it just stays there. Doesn't it? You know, stays right night. It stays when you look up in the morning. It's there for the rest of the day. Anybody listening? Everybody got that? This thing bothered you. It was not low hanging fruit. It caused disturbance inside. It could still be something that happened. That's depression. It could be something that happened twenty or thirty years ago that you can't let go of. It just keeps coming back up. I mean, you can't get it out of your head. You know that, right? So the first thing I will teach you is very deep. It takes very deep years of meditation to see this. The root of the mind is in the heart. It is because it is disturbing your heart that it is creating all this mess

9:20inside your mind. If something happened and two people are standing there, a one person doesn't have a relationship with the person that caused you trouble. They're not having trouble. It's not the event. It's what it hit inside of you. And generally, it's fear. It's fear. It's fear of being rejected. It's fear of being hurt. It's a fear of whatever it is. It's just fear, right? And that fear manifests as logic in the mind. The mind figures out, why do I feel this fear? Well, because I could get fired because this could happen or because that happened. Nobody could handle what happened to me. It's just, it has a problem in the heart and it manifests in the mind. Do you understand that? There's a very important step because people try to work on their mind. If you can't work on your mind when it's really disturbed, when it's just bothering you every minute about the same thing over and over again, you can do what you want. I used to, what mantra used to mean to me when I started this journey was a sledgehammer. Okay? He's in there doing this, bothered.

10:23I'm grown, grown, grown, grown, grown, shut up, grown. That is not doing mantra. That's basically trying to find a hammer that can beat this thing down. See, there's the deal with it. If you succeed, it will come back. That is just suppression. Call the mantra and give it a fancy name. It's suppression. You're taking the energy you can't deal with. You're trying to beat it out of there. Yelved out. Where's it go? The energy didn't go anywhere. You didn't let it. What you did is try to shove it away so you don't have to experience it. Not a good thing to do because it's just going to come back up. By the way, it doesn't always come back and look at the same. It's just like a virus and a computer. You don't always go next. Next thing you know, you're taking out of the dog or the kids or your husband or your wife or a job. You don't need a job anymore. It's that same stuff that you push down there and the heart did not work it through in any way, shape or form. Now all kinds of trouble goes on. But that disturbed mind, the real disturbed mind. It's root is in the heart. And so the great ones, they don't try to work with the mind. It's not a matter

11:26of quieting the mind. If the mind is noisy, there's a reason for child's misbehaving. There's a reason. It's not our sentence in a room and tell them to shut up without dinner. You didn't deal with what happened today. What can we work with? Okay. And so instead, just then you're saying, I'm not going to deal with the cause. I'm just going to deal with the effect. Okay. Yes, you'll go through so many stages, but I guarantee you that will never work ever. It does not work with the effect. It works with the cause. Go to say work at the root. So the root of the mind is in the heart. The heart is having trouble and expresses itself to try to relieve the heart. Nothing's against you. It's all for you. It's just like when your body temperature goes up because you have a bacteria or a virus. The body temperature is a few degrees. It goes up. You know, a hundred or one or two. It's not trying to make you sick. It's trying to make you well. All right. That raising temperature is because those viruses and bacteria can't always handle the higher temperature. And so the body naturally tries to take care of itself. But that's the root. So basically,

12:29it is the same thing inside of your heart. If the heart is having trouble and you feel fear or insecurity or jealousy, which all of the fear, but what is the security fear? It's funny. If you go down to the root, it's always fear. Can you want to do that? What is jealousy? Fear of loss. If you don't care about the person, you don't have a jealous about them. They're running out of somebody else. Who cares? But if it's your dude or drutus and they're running out of somebody else, you're afraid of losing something you think you need. And so jealousy is fear. It's not evil. It's not bad. It's the heart attempting to release the fear that is generated inside. What is insecurity? Fear being rejected. You say, Oh, it comes out of fear. It all comes out of fear. It all comes down to fear. The root of all this stuff that's going on in the mind is the heart. There are people who are afraid of failure. What's that? Is anybody driven by fear of failure? Has anybody

13:30realized when you get published, publish your parish or I want to make enough money and your people retry? You're just expressing the fear that you're feeling your heart. That's something wrong or something will go wrong and you won't be okay. The real fear is I won't be okay. That's what will happen. If I knew I didn't need the relationship so bad, as they ran out for somebody else, I'm not so bad. I might not feel jealousy. But it's the fear. Let's not have that. The fear that I might not be okay. How's that? And it doesn't say might not. When his mind says you won't be, it already knows. And so then what does it try to do? The heart, which is just emotion, it's just energy. It tries to get rid of that energy. It doesn't want it. Just like when it tries to get rid of the bacteria or different things or any other natural healing process the body has. It's trying to fix you. It's not trying to hurt you or punish you. The heart does not want that stuff in there. It wants to feel love. It wants to feel shockedy. It wants to feel God. It does as this natural state. So when all this messed up energy gets shoved

14:31down there, it tries to push it up. It tries to get rid of it. And that expresses in the mind. I could talk all night on it. I've watched it for 55 years, right? It tries to release the energy through the mind, even if the mind is saying terribly negative thing. People say to me, but you understand something I have terrible, terrible thoughts. I don't even like to talk about them, about hurting people or about doing something that I would never do, but it just comes into my mind and starts thinking about it. That is the problems of the heart, not knowing how to deal or release the energy. And it's just shoving it up there and expressing itself as crazy. This, that, and the other thing. And then you will get afraid that you're doing something wrong. So now there's guilt. It just spreads. But the key, if you really want to work with it and you have to be ready, and I still go keep going back, if you can't handle the small stuff, lowering your fruit, that, which if you are being bothered by it, there's nothing to do about it. That's what heat is. That's what drive in front of you is. That's what, oh my God, I dropped some catch on my pants.

15:33I have to go back to work. If you're not bothered by it, nothing to do about it. It doesn't matter. So I beg you to think that it matters to deal with that. Those are the place where you work. But okay, what happens? At some point, trouble, then it hits you and it's the mind is going to get disturbed. Very disturbed. Can I get disturbed? You can get very disturbed. Can it be disturbed for more than a minute? How about an hour? How about a day? It can get, I'm being honest. It can get disturbed. So the only hope you have in truly working with it. Yes, you can quiet it down, but you didn't get rid of the root. It's to take a look at the heart, which is hard to do in the mind. The mind distracts you with all of its talk and all its solutions and all its problems and complaints. And you know, why did I have to do that? Why did he have to do that? Then, then I'd be okay. Can't believe he did that. It's just, it's just chewing at you. You know what I'm talking about? Don't you? All right? I'm telling you, you get to a point where you don't look at the

16:34mind. Say, okay, okay, go on, express yourself. Go on. I'm going down here. And you follow the energy down to the heart. And you realize that is coming up just like if you have a spring, you know, we have all these springs around here. If you go there, you'll see that water comes up and it ripples all over. It makes your current, right? As it comes and hits the top, that's now where it comes from. If you dive down there, you're going to see it gets narrow and narrow and narrow and narrow, but it's hard. It's pushing up really hard, the closer you get. And there's this hole down there and the rocks, right? And that's where the spring is coming up. That is the relationship between your heart and your mind. It's coming up out of the heart. When it comes up as disturbed energy, it hits the mind. And then you know what disturbance looks like. And I'm telling you that when you get ready, you're welcome to work with it. You realize messing with the mind is not dealing with what's wrong. But wrong is the fear in the heart is the problems in the

17:36heart. But like I said, the current gets stronger and stronger as you go down there. It's hard to push past the noise that's coming up, so you can go down to the root. But you guys are great yogis and yoginis, all right? It's fine to do at least here that if you're in there saying, my mind should be quiet, you're wrong. How's that? It is not natural for the mind to be quiet until you've gotten rid of that junk that's inside your heart. It's going to come back. Leave a good meditation and tell me how long before you have problems. Do you hear me? And then you're told, well, pay attention. But no, yes, fine. Do whatever they tell you. I don't want you to listen to me. The question is, why does that happen? Why if you go deep in meditation, you feel peace, you feel God, you feel love, you know, within an hour, you're worrying about the phone call is and what somebody said yesterday. And what am I supposed to be doing? Okay? It's not what I do about that. It's why is it happening? It's always why is it happening? Go the next layer down, not try to solve it

18:38at the level that's happening. There's not a real solution levels happening. Well, there's a cause coming your scientists. Okay, you have to deal with the cause, not the effect. The disturbed mind is an effect. If you're sitting there trying to make a disturbed mind be quiet, good luck. I told you once, I don't like to say it, but it's true. Mayor Obama, a great avatar. Well, the highest being all face the earth, used to tell us disciples. When your mind's in that state and it's totally disturbed, don't meditate. Because all you're doing is struggling and fighting with all that disturbance. You know, cook, play all for it. Do a hobby, express yourself different ways, but don't suppress that stuff. Okay? Nobody tells you that today. Right? That's a great master teaching you. It's not excuse not to meditate. Meditate is a wonderful thing. But if you're just going to go in there and ruminate over the problems that it's trying to stop them and argue why they always not necessarily all that stuff, you're just creating more commotion. How do you solve

19:39this stuff? It's not easy, but you remember it's in the heart. It's not in the mind. It's in the heart. And you try to look, your consciousness tries to look past the noise of the mind. Not easy, but it's doable. You just relax past it. You understand? That noise in the mind is not the problem. It's the result of the problem. And so what am I doing? Struggling with that? Why don't I struggle? Get down there and deal with the problem. And so you start watching your heart. And what you're going to see is that the closer you get, the more you bring your consciousness, as you're doing, you're bringing the awareness of your consciousness, your consciousness out of this higher center, the mind, mental plane, down to the Shakti, the energy level, that plane. And you're going to see the energy is very, very strong. In fact, most of you have never gotten down there and don't want to go down there. And it was your mind is trying to tell you how not to have to go down there. Apologize. Say you're sorry, but you have to mean it. Say at least 15 times, right? In other words,

20:41what can I do? So I have to face myself. Better yet, what do you have to do? So I have to face myself. You just blame everything out there. That's why you blame because you need to push it out there and find a way to make it be quiet inside. So if you said something bothered me, even years ago, and I don't mind it, AA teaches, and I really respect a lot. A lot of people are going to help with this really beautiful teaching. They teach that when you see something in the past that happened and you hurt somebody or do something, grow down and find them and apologize. Okay? That's fine. And I'm not going to say no. Okay? You know, it does not teach that. It teaches. If you see that something stuck inside of you, that's over. This is not over inside of you. It's over, right? Go deeper. Go down and see why this is still in there. I'm telling you, you check it out. There are times that you go try to straighten this stuff out from years ago. They don't know what you're talking about. They didn't have a problem with what you did. They forgot

21:46about it instantaneously. You got all guilty about it. And now you feel like a fool having brought anything back up. So basically you sit there and say the solutions inside, not outside. I'm not telling you not to do that stuff. You do whatever worked for you. I'm telling you what's said and done. You look at those problems in the mind. It's time to come from the heart. Whether you see it or not, whether you can trace them back or not to its yak moments, it doesn't matter. The noise that is ending up in the mind is like the spring coming from the heart, hitting the surface of the mind, causing all those ripples. So what do you try to do? You try to dive down. It's like diving down into the heart. You have to go past this current that's pushing up. How always is the same answer. Relax. I don't know why we're talking so deep. I hope you can use it. Relaxation is always the answer. So when you start all that noise in your mind and you see or so try to go out to solve it to stop it, you try to play billion with your thoughts. If

22:46I have this thought, it will offset that one. She didn't really need what she said. By the way, it's not bothering me anymore because I don't think she even heard me. No, she didn't hear me. What are you doing? It's for rationalization. You're trying to throw one thought in another one so you can neutralize the thoughts. They ask, it can help. Yes, do it. Do it. Every you need to do. We're said and done. There's this dive down into the heart and you have to be able to relax through the noise that exists now because it's not the problem. It's the result of the problem. So are you willing to just say, okay, I hear it. I know it. I feel everything. I'm going to relax so I can go deeper so I can go down. Not just in meditation. You get to the point where you're doing this during the day, anything. Here's learn to let go. That's what letting go means. People tell me letting go means not dealing with the world. It does not mean letting go of the world. It means letting go of the noise inside of you so you can go deeper inside, accepting. Even acceptance doesn't mean accept everything that's going on. It means accept that this

23:50noise is going inside of your mind. You know where it's coming from. It's coming from your heart. So there's no reason to fight with the mind. So I accept that the mind is doing this. It's not its fault. It's not against you. It's not evil. The mind is not evil. To understand that. Period. I don't care. I hit or anybody. That mind was really screwed up. That's because where the heart was. It's serious problems. It came up and he got the ultimate solution. It's such an amazing. I'm Jewish. It's an amazing example of watching how disturbed that can get. It's all of a sudden the mind is saying, this is a solution. Kill everybody. There's a solution. Wipe out a whole race. There's a solution. Holy macro. Blow up the world and take it over. That's the solution to the fact that I don't feel secure. I need to own everything and power everything. You understand that? It's very good to look at these streams. They help you see what's going on. Don't ever be afraid to look at these streams. They're very good teachers for you, but they're hard to handle. Aren't they? You want to say, oh my God, no. So the answer is, relax through the disturbance.

24:55It's okay, mantra can help you. But it means relaxation. Things will help you, but relax. Don't think that's the end. Relax doesn't mean it stops. Relax means you don't get caught in it and you're able to go deeper. And when you relax, pass the noise in the mind. It showed you doesn't mean it stopped. Okay. When I go dive down to those springs, and I get past the ripples on the surface, and I start feeling the force coming up, those ripples did not stop. Did they? I just went past them because I focused on going deeper. So you relax through the disturbance in the mind. My advice is, it's funny. When I did the interview with Oprah on the other soul, she said that one of her favorite chapters was, let go now or fall. Let go now or fall. Does that mean the moment you see that this is getting disturbed, could deeper. Let go. Otherwise, it can get good and disturbed. And the more disturbed,

25:56it gets the harder it is to stop. Do you know that? So your path is, you notice what's going on? You understand this whole thing that the root of the mind is in the heart. You're going to deal with it. So you just, I would love you. Just notice right away, this is the heart emanating, the disturbances and fears. And they're coming into the mind to try to solve them up here, try to intellectually come up with an answer. But you get wise and there's no answer up there. That's not where the problem is. You're not going to stop the ripples on the top of the water by smoothing them off or capturing them or carrying an iron in there, right? There's a cause. You have to go down to the cause. I would love to at least reach the point that you understand all the time that the root of the mind is in the heart and you're wasting your time to try and stop all that noise by dealing with the mind. But I'm not saying not to do it. There's a technique you can do. You'll get helps and meditation helps and stretching helps and all kinds of things help. It's wonderful. But understand that that's you're dealing with the resolve, not the cause.

27:00And so you try to start going down. Ramdas used to be something beautiful. You said, make believe that your heart that center right there has a nostril just like your nose does. You can breathe in and out through that nostril. Breathe in and then blow out the disturbance. Breathe in. That's a wonderful technique. You're working directly with the heart. You understand that? You work with the energies of the heart rather than the noise of the mind. So that type of technique or anything, anything works for you. There's so many techniques. I don't teach techniques. Why? If you're sincere, you will know what to do. If you catch on and you know that noise gone on your mind, but that worry, that that's coming from the heart, you will wisely go down there and you figure out. You figure out how to keep your relationships. If you're out of make money, if you're not losing your job, you figure out lots of stuff, don't you? Okay? And basically you can't even figure out what to do with the fact that your heart's full of the garbage you shove down there. That was full of fear. And you will. Like giving some techniques,

28:02breathe through the heart is a very powerful thing. But the main thing is your consciousness, your awareness of being willing to not get stuck in the distraction of the mind so that it can go down and you'll feel it. You'll start to go, no, push it back up. You'll start to go down. I thought, we'll come in next thing and go, oh my God, I've been thinking about that again. I tried not to. That's wonderful. That's wonderful. That's like practicing tennis or playing your scales on a piano. So you'll be a better pianist. You're practicing going down. You're practicing dealing at a deeper level. Of course, it's going to pull you back up. Don't get judgment. Don't judge yourself. Don't say it's wrong. Don't feel guilty. Don't give up. Right? Just say, okay. I'm learning tennis and I'll play with four of the balls going on on that. That's what they do when you don't have a play. But every time you hit that ball, it's, you can do better. And so that's what you're doing here. You're practicing diving down, diving down deeper. At some point, deeper you go, it's not that the mind isn't, I don't know. They say,

29:03if a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears it, didn't make a noise. Oh, that was a nice coin. Who the heck knows? There was nobody to hear it. Same thing here. If you start diving down into the heart, does the mind stop? Or do you stop listening to it? Guess the answer is, what did it make? It doesn't make any difference at all. The point is your consciousness is not being distracted by it. Therefore, it's fine. Don't go back and check it out. I wonder if it's still talking. No, don't do that. Just keep concentrating your awareness down toward the heart, down toward the heart, breathe through the heart. You can go through so many. Some people use discipline, concentrate, Zen. I started with Zen. That's the first thing that somebody gave me a book on Zen when I was trying to stop my mind required. And they didn't talk about the mind at all, or the heart. They talked about what's in yoga called the horror, which is just below the belly button. There's a center, a powerful center, an energy there. And they taught concentrating

30:05on that. There's concentrating on that. There's full concentrating on that. It's very powerful. So the key is, pick your focus. The heart is a wonderful focus. How you end up dealing with it, because Zen tends to be strictly power. You're using the power of concentration, to focus, total focus. The heart is much more gentle than that. And so when you're working on your heart, you get to like, say, you breathe, right? You get to treat your heart as a little child that's been abused, because it has. You shoved every single thing ever bothered you down into your heart. Those are some scars. You've patterned them all in the heart. So now, of course, there's fear. Somebody rejected you in fifth grade. Somebody did that. Your boyfriend left you. This happened. You got hurt. So you just shove it all down there. It ends up in the heart. And that's why it keeps coming back up. You say, there's a mind. No, it comes back into mind. It's the roots of the heart. And so you learn to relax through the mind, relax through that. They shouldn't distract you, relax. The opposite of relaxation is resistance. You're fighting something as opposed to it. It's

31:11very hard to relax when you're resisting, isn't it? Okay? How long have you said to me? Just relax. Shut up. I'm gonna relax. How long have you said? Okay. But if you can relax, all of a sudden, it's not the center of your attention. So as you work your way down toward the heart, you're gonna feel it. Pull you back up. You come on. Just come on down. No guilt. No shame. There's no better. There's no worse. There's no supposed to. There's just this is what I'm doing. I'm learning to not get distracted by the noise in the mind so that I can begin to dive. Take that dive and cry. That's a serious dive into the heart. And we'll talk a little bit about what it's like as you go down in there. So as you let go, it gets hotter. Of course, it gets hotter. Just like the spring gets stronger when you go down into it. Let's say there's your bonfire. We have a new receive. There's smoke that comes off. Some people can't hear the smoke, let's say, right? So they give up. They walk away. Unless you make it through the smoke, you not get into the fire. Saints always the same thing. They have a root. So if you're not willing to go down into the heat

32:16of the heart and you go running back up to find the solution in the mind, the mind will always have a solution outside because they can deal with the outsides, right? There's enough trouble dealing with self. But you just keep going down. Just keep going down there. And it's noisy and it's problematic and it's strong that the mind makes mental and visual noises. The heart is just pure shocked. It's just giving energy. It's vibrations of energy. So you have to learn how to deal with that. And so basically you keep letting go and letting go and relax and let go relax. Just dive deeper and deeper and deeper. And as you do, I'm telling you, it's not easy. It's not meant to be easy. When I'm finished with this, I'll tell you some of the Bible talks about this, right? It's like you just relax through it. That's all. You're just your commitment is this what your commitment is if you're a serious spiritual seeker. I'm going down there.

33:16I don't care. That's where the problem is. And that's where the solution is. And God's on the other side of all that fear. And that's where I'm going. So I just tell you the Bible. I was getting her from Passover way back where Durga is still living out here at my daughter. And we would kind of look up some special stuff and talk about the Passover talk, when I give a talk. And we ended up in Genesis in the Bible. And I'll never forget what I read. It said, after man was thrown out of the garden, God took a cherubum for the flaming sword and set that angel at the east gate of the garden, less man figure how to get back into the garden. And instead of tasting the tree of knowledge, taste the tree of eternal life. That fire that you're going toward as you dive toward the heart, you wait. You'll see that is

34:19that cherubum. That is that sword. And I remember thinking God didn't have to put something you're afraid of, rattlesnake the divorce. He put fear itself there. That'll get you out of there, wouldn't it? Right? Let's see who can make it through that. And so as you go down, it's hotter and hotter. That's all. And you have to want to go. You have to say, I don't care. And it's the medium of my life. It's to pierce the heart chakra. Is that making it through this stuff that I stored down there? And there's another line in Star Wars when Yoda was teaching Luke that he had to go into this cave. You remember that person, right? To go to the cave. And Luke turned around and said, because all covered in vines was dark. Luke turned around and said, but what's in there? Yoda said, nothing you're bringing with you. You're bringing yourself into there. You're bringing your stuff in there. Nothing you didn't bring it with you. You're going to work it through. You're going to work through yourself.

35:21Okay? It's all said and done. You're not solving this stuff except to work through it. And let it go. And so as you dive down, there may be shadows that come up. You know, they're different with the deal with it and push you back up there. Oh my god, there was a divorce. And so I broke my arm and it's like it's just starts coming up. But it comes up as energy, not as words. It just comes up as a pattern of energy that got stored down there. And somebody just spit you right back out. Do you hear me? You know what I'm talking about? You have to be committed and to be willing to say yes, but I'm going back. I'm going back. When I don't care every single time I can. That's all. Tire a short life. I'm going back. I don't care what it does. I told you once, Master had this beautiful poem called The Hound to Heaven. He didn't write it. My understanding is when devotees would go to live with him in the ashram, he would have them read his books, which of course they do. You want to get confused, but they would have them read this poem that that was a poem he was committed to.

36:25And I'm not going to go to the old poem, but it's The Hound to Heaven and God is The Hound, and you are human running away. Why? It's scary. No, I don't want that to happen. No, I don't want to get the words. No, I don't want to do that. Right. Just running through all the quarters of your life, trying to be okay, trying to be okay. And at the very end of the poem is so beautiful. It says, I'm cornered now. The Hound has got me no place for me to run what I do. And then the final lines are something like, oh my. Is it possible that the darkness I was running away from my entire life was the shadow of your hand reaching down to pick me up? Which I do. You're going to look deep tonight. That's what it is. That heart is trying to cleanse itself and you're running away from it with your mind and with your actions outside to try to be okay. Which is why I teach, which I don't care if they like it or not. Is there a law of attraction? Of course there's a law of attraction. Of course you can attract

37:27yourself if you meditate and focus on it, but you want. I don't highly advise it. Why? That's basically saying, I got problems. Mine came up with a solution. I need a new wife, I need a new husband. I need more money. I need a new house. I need to be accepted. I need to be famous. Now, I'm going to attract it to myself so that I'll never go to God. It's not about getting what you want. So finding out why you want it. You're wholly complete within yourself. You're a great being. On the other side of that fire is the divine consciousness, but you're not willing to go there. So you run out and you try to fix the world and fix people so that the way you want them to be, you don't have to deal with yourself. That's the only reason you want anything, other than your basic food clothing shelter, is because you're not okay. You build a self-concept of yourself. You're not getting what you want. You don't feel good about it. So how can I get what I want? So I feel better. It's not very deep. Pretty shallow. You're basically saying, I don't want to go down there and deal with my stuff. My stuff has emanated that stuff and my mind came up

38:28with solutions. Good luck, by the way. Then even know what it wants. I came up with solutions. Then it changes my every day and it comes with a solution. Then it tries to make them happen. I don't carry it trying to make them happen. You work inside. The answer is inside. Deep inside. It doesn't mean you work with the outside. You're going to work with the outside. Life is an interactive sport. But the purpose of your life is that dive. This is a heart. I need to keep your eye on that. And when things flare up at night, it's about to have a day. You remember that's coming from here. I can't do it right now. I'll do what I can to be okay. No problem with that. You're going to be good. You used to say, throw the dog a bone when they were talking about tolerization. Fine. So have an ice cream. All right. It's better than all this stupid stuff you would do. But ultimately, the pole star of your life, the entire meaning of your life, is that dive down through the energy, the structure that's coming up, causing all this noise in the mind.

39:30You're diving down into it. How? I'll tell you how. Relax. I've no other techniques. I don't care. You put help us on your head and throw lights and do all kinds of weird things. Do everything when it's said and done. Relaxation is the only thing that will let you go to the next level. You have to relax through where you're caught, after relax through it's pushing up. And it seems so hot. Fine. So as you go down there, believe it or not, everything feels more and more beautiful. Because you become capable of handling what you were afraid of your entire life, like that how to have a thing. You understand I don't want to run for that shadow. That shadow is the divine trying to lift me up. I want to help that. I don't want to run from that. But you still will run from it. I told you it's a stairway to heaven. It's not a leap. And so you just keep relaxing through it. And whatever you have to go through, you go through. But what if I'm doing really well and all of a sudden this thing happens outside in a person that was leaning on it, they left me when they died and that happened to me. Now I'm for years. I'm not

40:31okay. Right? You needed to go through that. How do you know? Because you went through it. Because you had sincerity in your heart and mind that the entire purpose of my life is working through this stuff I stored in there. And I was doing really well. I really felt some divine consciousness and presence. And then this thing happened through me for a loop. No, it didn't. It's that shadow reaching down to pick you up. But it was strong. You got knocked off the horse a little bit. That's good, not bad. The question is, are you willing to get back on? Are you willing to as soon as possible? Sit there and say, I have a journey. I devoted my life to. And yes, this was difficult, but I'm okay. I can handle it. I'll go back. Some people never go back, which I don't want to talk about that either, which is why you're given many tries. Do you understand that? It's not a one shot and that's it. Right? Even during your life, you're given many tries, aren't you? You just use each one best you can to go the next layer.

41:35And what happens is once you can handle the heat and the pressure and the push of the shock of a given layer, you can get comfortable with it. Just like you get comfortable with things in your life or with your mind. Your ego figures out. I don't be okay. But before I say about the ego, between the in the body's drives and the super ego societies, the ego tries to find a place of compromise where it can be okay in between all of that. You don't want that compromise. You want out. But that's what Freud talked about the ego. It's the eye that finds the balance between society and in pressures, right? This is my self-concept. It's okay if I do this, you'll get it not okay. I'll do this. I'm just kind of trying to make it be okay. When you go deeper, it does become okay. That fire, that heat, you become comfortable with it. And it turns into shockedy. It is shockedy. It turns into it is shockedy. But you're pushing it away. You fight with it and it bounces off. It causes all kinds of trouble, right? But when you relax in that presence, you start feeling this energy coming up and it encourages you to keep diving. That encourages

42:39to stay there. People say that. Oh, he's doing so well. And then all I write them back say, good, thank you. I'm glad to happen. You understand that? Do the best you can. And then step for as long as you can and come back as soon as you can. Step as long as you can, come back as soon as you can. As long as you can, as soon as you can, and pretty soon, you become a staffer and see yourself. The distance, the gap between going down and coming back just gone. And you're just there. And you continue that dive. And remember what the heat is. And you will come to a point, you come to a point where you thought you knew what he was like. You thought, no, it felt like to have somebody die that you love. You thought you knew what it was like to have lose everything in your life. No, no, this heat is way past that. Those heats still had red and blues. This was white. Way down, right? The center, right in the center of your heart. Like a black hole, but bright, burning star. And you have to say, I'm going there.

43:41I don't care. I don't care what it is. I'll go and pass that. And that's when you break past. And once you break past that point in the heart, it's over. Life can do whatever it wants to do. It's sure, of course, you have little ripples, right? But the mind doesn't say anything. And she says, well, this is not so much fun. There's as far as it goes. Because it knows, well, I'm going to play with that. And you get to stay at that point, the shockty changes direction. I talked about it once before. Right now, you don't realize that you're being pulled down. Your mind is distracting you. Your heart is distracting you. And as just basically, you're being the shockty is pulling you down, down and out, down and out. You look for solutions outside. You can pull outside, outside. If you pulled into the strips of the heart, you can pull down to the strips of the mind, down and out. That's the true fall. When you pass that pierce that I'm talking about, you know, it's rare, but it's very hot and it's very serious. Shockty changes direction. From then on, she goes up. You have to do anything. People talk about

44:45Master, you're going on. It's all about will. It's not about will. Well, there are many stages, right? There's a point of it. It's not about will. Because will is something you exercise. And you will get to the point where there is not enough you there to be touching anything. There's just awareness of being being pulled up. The shock is pulling you up. So now there's just a letting go. That's the ultimate last act of will is the willingness to merge the willingness to let go. This is a journey I'm talking to you about. This is the journey of your life. This is the entire purpose of your life. Your life has a purpose. It's not happy. Yes, you have children. Yes, you get married. Yes, yes. By all means, go through it. You need to go through. Live your life. But the meaning of your life is not something that comes and goes. It doesn't go away because you die. Where are your children? Where's their gone? It's happening is you're trying to build a life out here to make yourself be okay. You know, it has it has a termination time. That doesn't mean you die. It

45:46means everything else goes away. The shock, he stays, right? I'll try to scare you. But your business, your relationship, the buildings, your name. I love it. They're all my name to last. It's just the world. It's not the meaning of your life. You need your life's liberation. Your life is freedom. Jiva Mukta. You're in there and you're caught in there. You see this journey. Just talk to you about. And when you pierce the heart chakra, when you pierce that center, the shock changes direction. Now she's feeding you instead of pulling you down, expressing herself as all the disturbances you have. You start to feel love all the time. We had all the time. What do you mean all the time? When I feel love, wave your hand over the fourth chakra. It's love comes from the point of your mind. He's like, any chakra you wave your hand across, the energy comes flying and feeds you blessed. I'd like to live there. It doesn't mean an interact with the world. I told you the difference is you're not interacting with the world because you're not okay. Interacting with the world because you

46:47are okay. You're taking that love and that inspiration and that beauty and that compassion and expressing it into the world. Now what you're expressing is the attempt to manipulate people like some things to be the way you need it to be. So you have to deal with yourself about blaming you, but you understand that, right? That's what your whole whole thing is. Why don't we just let go? Let go of ourselves completely. So there is no ego in there. There is no personal self in there. And there's just the shockedy pouring up inside of you, feeding you, and feeding everybody else. You go hang out with a great saint. That roar is beyond your comprehension to stand in that from way, way across the room. I told you, I've been in the room with a great master of great being thousands of people in the room. It had been in the room us. And there's a darshan lying all the way back. I couldn't walk into the room. It was like a magnetic force of two, two negative poles or positive poles of magnet pushing it. You know, every step I tried to take forward. It was like, oh my god, who is this? That's who you are. That's not who they are. That's who you are.

47:50But you've taken all that shockedy, all that energy, all that consciousness, which expands out throughout the universe. And you took it down and focused on your mind. You focused the whole thing on your mind and your heart and your body and your little family, your little life. Why don't you make it so small? They have an ingrown toenail. You have an ingrown mind nail. And you don't know how to get out. Well, we just talked about how to get out. We talked about out, too, didn't we? It's quickly to know this. That's why they're masters. It doesn't matter if they're in the body or not. That's why there was a Beethoven. That's why there was a Mozart. That's why there's a Monet. That's why the great ones. But they were only great at one thing, art, music. You're saying that? The master of great at life, great love, great at God. Right? And so yes, you take inspiration from them. You know, worship, you shouldn't do that. They get it wrong. And we don't worship the masters. You pay respect for the state they reached. The worst of the masters is to not lose yourself.

48:51You basically sit there and say, this state that they reached, Christ said it. He said, as I sit by the throne of my father, the throne is not a golden seat somewhere. It's a state of consciousness. As I sit by the throne of my father, so you shall sit by my throne. And these things that I do, you should do these and even greater things. Check it out. So you shall sit by my side, saying this state that I have reached of merger of my father, I have won. You're right next to me. And that's what the yogis teach. That's the great ones to teach. That's who you are. And you learn that's the purpose and the meaning of your life. And so you take this dive. I don't care how long it takes. I don't care how much it hurts. At some point you stuck up, look, childbirth hurts. I remember a baby. I remember a baby. I hear it hurts a little bit. And they go back for seconds and thirds. And it was worth it. That's what this is. This is soulbirth. You're birthing your soul.

49:51And you're just willingly relaxed through it because it takes you where you want to go. And the shocked it will show you. You're turning the fear into love. It's an alchemy. You literally, that was just down there with no fear. I told you, it's just fear. You can hold jealousy, holding security. It's fear. As you go down there and you face it. But I'm facing myself strong and I'm facing it. No, that's not strength. You just relax. It's not strong enough to do it that you will lose that. No one's strong enough for that, right? You just relax. Just relax through it. That's the greatest strength. The willingness to relax through it, whatever you're experiencing. And it will take you. It will take your home. You have to figure it out because then what is in my path? That's your path. But you didn't tell what to do. It's not for me to tell you what to do. If you don't understand who you are and do what you need to do to get back there because you will find your way. And everything in your life will unfold, helping you pull that through that. But if something goes wrong, you say,

50:53I went the wrong way. No, there's no wrong. There's no right. There's just growth. There's just situations that life present you that help free you from yourself. If you look at that way, where do you see how deep you can go and how fast you can go? All right. I told you to have your faith out of the stock delay. Very deep. That's good that you're here at once. It's good that you know who you are. It's good that you know how to go there. It's not over there in the home volume somewhere. It's not over there in the washroom. It's in here, deep in there. It's here. It's here. It's here. It's here. It's here. It's here. It's here. It's here. It's here. You've been listening to the Michael Singer podcast, produced by SoundsTrue in partnership with Shanti Publications. For more information on Michael's body of work and all back episodes,

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