Derroteros: Ladronas, con Sabina Urraca (CARNE CRUDA EXTRA)

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1:06Derroteros. Pensar paseando con Sabina urraca. Sabina feliz año. ¿Qué tal, Felizayo Violeta? Como te ha ido. Pues bueno, aquí estamos, vivas, siguiendo adelante. Sí? Y pensando, supongo. Sí, eso siempre, inevitablemente. What have you thought about this beginning of the year that I am sure you have thought about a lot of things, but I know that it is always a specific topic. Yes, in this beginning of the year I have thought a lot about the launch of positive things, and that has led me to the launch of Rovar, or the launch of Rovar. That is something that I have thought a lot throughout my life, even though I have perpetrated myself, especially in my youth, to talk about this later. That is, it is a topic that I have thought a lot, but this time I am going to read the things of George Perec, which is a book that is going to launch positive things, and I have also read the effects of the electronic Vincent Solatronico, which is a book that has been recently in Nanagram, and that, in some way, honra, let's open it up, because they say it in the book itself, but honra the things of George Perec.

2:18And then, well, this has made me think, also in the Christmas of this time, of having things to put, things to give, things to buy, I have been thinking a lot about the ladrones in Rovar, and especially the ladrones, which, of course, I have not been to the ladrones yet. So, well, as soon as I started to tell you a little about the logical origin of the ladrones word. Yes. Therefore, the ladrones word. As a result, in the old Rome, the ladrones word was used to name the soldiers who were called the emperor, or that if they had commanded them to study as some kind of value, what happened to these ladrones, they had a very long hand, and at a time they stole part of the merchant who was in charge of studying. So, the sonar, well, the trochinar, it would be the correct pronunciation in Latin, it meant to serve in the army, but finally, in that word of the ladrones word, this ended in the vocable ladrones that today we know,

3:22and that it was named this person who stole or who stole it. The difference between the stolen and stolen word. In principle, they had to save the wealth, but at the end, they stole it. But they had the handbrake and things were left, because of that mercancy they had to save. So, from there it comes, from that latro, from that trochinar, which was to serve the emperor, to serve in the army, they will finally see the word ladrones. Interesting. I don't know that the difference between stolen and stolen word was from 500 euros, actually, legally. Who is the ladrones and who is stolen, right? Well, this is a subject that also worries me a lot in my life, a lot of things in my head, because my husband has been stolen and I have been asked for advice, our real requests are not artistic. But for a band's name, a musical group, a lot of power. Yes, absolutely. So, well, these are terms that I have thought a lot, the trochinar that comes from the latro, from Latin, rap, saqueo,

4:27salt, and all these names that are given to the ladrones and the ladrones. I am going to summarize it all. The white guanteblanco drone, pickpocket, a malverser, a triller, a pilla, even if the pilla doesn't exist, they are not. It's not a term that has been used since then, with all the depth and the history of the pilla. Pilla, bandolera. I will talk later about the bandoleras. This is very curious, caco. If you pass it to the woman, it's caca. I remember telling me when we played the cacos police, being small, I mean, we played the police, not the cacas police and cacas. And it was clear that at the end of the day, it was transformed into something similar, a word close to shit, and it was removed from the cacola drone. Yes. I like it. Carterista ratera kleptomana. This term, let's leave it there, because we will talk about this, of the kleptomanas and the kleptomania. Yes. Descuidera, choriza, mangante, saqueadora,

5:28timadora, bandida, tracker, maleante, quaterera, osurera, stafadora, and truana, which is never called truana, but it should never exist. Never. Neither truana nor lady. Exactly. Neither truana nor lady. It's strong because choriza choriza choriza, which is said very well from the heat. What is left from the heat. There is a book called La Gonia de una Lengua, which is left from the heat in the habla de los gitanos, and it says that to refer to a drone, which is said choraro or una ladrona. And here, yes, there is a feminine term, which is said choriz. It's very beautiful. You know, that's a ladrón, a masculine ladrón is said choraro and a feminine ladrona, choriz. And there is also a bird called choriz choriz o choriz. And there is very interesting term, chorizo, choriza. Yes, yes. And there is a feminine term, you know. Total, in our adolescence, when this is a birth of adolescents, my mother was born in La Lucía,

6:30at least she did not say that they were stealing. She said that they were stealing. Look, you know, you know that term. I never knew it, but I never used it. So chorizo chorizo, in fact when they stole the substance and she said to my mother, which made a little bit of illusion that I stole things, I said to myself that chorizadre is. But I did it with affection, you know. This is good from afar, my grandmother stole things from me. I was a little girl, a little girl. A thriller, right? Yes. And this takes me to remember, right? Now that I mention these robots of adolescence and youth, for me it was very important, the collective and I love. I don't know if you know them or if they dream of you. No, I came to the head, I went to a rider, but I don't think it has anything to do with it. Yes, it has to do with it. Yes, it has to do with it because the collective and I love it. I wanted to give it a artistic collective, but it was in the robot and the work in the stores. It was a movement that emerged more or less as around 2002, although there was already something behind it.

7:31It emerged in Barcelona, then went to Madrid, and then in reality it continues to remain through webs, through different collectives with different names. We could say that all over the world, but there are many in Latin America that are still linked to those beginnings of Yomango. Yomango, this artistic collective, took the typography of Mango, the chain of clothes, and transformed it into Yomango. And in a moment, Yomango made use of Winona Ryder's figure, because Winona Ryder discovered it in Robano in this strange act by a person, with a lot of money, a Hollywood star, so that suddenly the piano, I think, is stealing things for more than $5,000, it was a little expensive, why do you steal if you have money? Yes. Well, on this, now we are going to earn a little more. But it was very curious, because Yomango was also appropriated from the typography of Mango, from the chain of clothes, it was appropriated from other multinational companies,

8:33because I steal it from the real world, or there are things that the money can't buy for everything else. Yomango, right? This is very well done. It's a very well-made, very well-made, very well-made. Yes. So, there were many issues of companies and transformed them. We had some books, which are the ones that I learned, great things like Chori Adolescent came to the capital, with a very, very little money's capacity, and with a great desire to earn my money, to steal it from the capital, I tell it to myself, I tell it to many other people who also did it. Yes. So, there were these two books, Yomango, which were the red book of Yomango, and the purple book of Yomango. The visible face of the purple book was all like glass, and mountains, seats, kind of fanciness, a very small book, that they sold, and I at least got it at the restaurant. It was good, a rider, right? Of course. So, there were some manuals that detailed you, with a lot of humor, how to proceed to these desserts. There were also, as a proposal,

9:33collective actions, the yomango, which was to steal many at the same time, in a great commercial surface, and to keep the pizzas, or the electronic circuits, that were, that were, the magnetic circuits, which, thanks to the Yomango manuals, we knew how to deactivate many times, but to keep them activated, or even get a circuit, I remember this, and stick it in the bottom of the shoe, without stealing, or leaving without stealing, and simply taking all the time to make sure of those great almaceners, or desks. Generating chaos. Generating chaos. It was a collective pizza, it was called. I remember being with people of Yomango to do this type of things. So you belong to Yomango, or some of your actions? I don't belong to them, but I followed their teachings, and some time I went to a workshop of them, I remember, even giving, giving, my secrets were, especially, doing it, doing the robbery,

10:33that is, perpetrating the robbery through evidence, that is, taking things and taking them directly in hand. Very good. That's how I was in my first experience of making money. For example. Oh, nothing small, either. Or something that was included. Yes, evidently. No, no. They were great things. Yes. One of the producers of WB. I remember. For my students, we were like six people living there, and this was very well activated. Of course, the producer of WB at that moment. And if I had to take it out and leave the door, it was curious. I'm not saying that I'm saying to all of this that I'm telling you. No, no. It's just what I did, okay? Very good. It's very good, and it's the opposite. Yes, yes. I had a feeling, right? I had a feeling, at least, now I'm going to think, not about why we did that, what needs to be answered, or what social questions, right? I'm going into a game in these roles of Juventud. Of course, of course. Of course, all of this makes me think that there was a relationship with my girlfriend, right? And then I'm going to think

11:34about her races, which are sometimes drones, right? Which is considered by Malaguero, curiously, her name is feminized, that is, there is Raka Sembra and Raka Smacho, but everyone is called with this female name, right? Yes. Also the garza, which is an animal that does not have that negative connotation, it is also her name is feminine, right? Yes. But, well, the Raka's robots take these brilliant objects as to decorate their nest, and this sometimes is provoked, for example, a crystal, a jewel, that the sun rays, no, like that, that they confluence in that crystal, and that it can learn fire, for example, a forest, so that is why Raka Sembrao is considered to be Malaguero, right? Not only because they steal, they can steal the jewels, but because they can provoke incendios. I didn't know that it was good that they imagine that they are beautiful. Yes, yes, it is strong, this is the truth. It is beautiful, it is beautiful, it is beautiful, it is beautiful here, decorated things, but at the same time, you know, it is good to have

12:34a provoked poor Raka. Exactly. So, I started thinking about the Bandooleras, in the figure of the Bandoolero, that, that, well, you as Cordovesa, you will have more formation in Bandooleroism than me. I, always, the Bandooleras, such as Curro Jiménez, we have these masculine figures, but there were Bandooleras women, right? In fact, in the Bandoolero Museum it is mentioned, for example, it is seen, Juan Alavalerosa or Margarita Cisneros that were some Bandooleras. And there is a writer and an English traveler called George Borro, who called it, called, what do we call it, Jorge, or something like that, because it must be a long time in Spain. And this man, between 1835 and 1840, he entered in contact with the door, which is not a woman of the top of the lion who dedicated to attract those who were hurting and there he went to his horse's horse with a horse like a brother. Wow. This is in this book of George Borro,

13:34which is called the Gita, not in Spain. And also in Galicia, there is a Bandoolera that does not know if it is a Bandoolera, or are many Bandooleras that would be in the same name, right? But there are some stories, I do not know, until the point is a legend, a real character. There are some stories that talk about the existence of a bandit called Peppa Aloba, Peppa Aloba, who said, what a beautiful Aloba is that is precious and directed to his own Bandooladrones, who were distributed by all Galicia. This all happened more or less in the 19th century, but in addition to the stories, there is a fact that it seems that the real existence of this Peppa Aloba, that is a mention that makes Arenal conception, the writer and penalist, that says that it was known in a visit of the Carthel de la Coruña. It is supposed to be an Arenal conception known to Peppa Aloba. It was visited with her and the existence. It is supposed to be coincidated and the same was taking place in the Carthel de la Coruña,

14:34and well, there it coincidated with Peppa Aloba. And then, there is another theory, as I said, that Peppa Aloba was many. A first bandit took this bandit and then, it was given to all Bandooleras that had for that area of Galicia. From then on, Peppa Aloba, in everything that I can find, is a woman who is an archetype of this Bandoolerism or a generous we can call it, right? Very extended in Europe, for example, as Robin Hood in England. But also, it is mentioned with a character that is Peira two wolves, which is like the age of the wolves, which are characters of the popular imaginary of the Gallega mythology. With which here, we know very well where is the limit between the true Bandoolera that existed, that lived in the forest, and a kind of mythological character of the forest, as it is this hybrid, right? of character that you do not know if it is real or not. Because the frontier is also between,

15:34that is, everything that is drawn to steal, to steal, to distribute, and to a greater justice. It is also dancing between this type of character that is drawing. Of course. It is always talking about someone, right? That the robot is not what we understand most as robots today, but it was not another type of robot, sometimes. There are many reasons to steal. It would be that, there is even a reason that is not, well, avarice or necessity, but there is also another reason, which would be a very known reason, and that it would be also the reason of the Victorian sladronas, which will develop more in the Victorian sladronas, because it is very interesting. And it is here, where the term of kleptomania, associated with the woman, at that time. So then, this robot, in some way, this pulsation of stealing, almost unconscious, or how, this way, this impulse of stealing, which is psychiatrist, which is the robot by part of a person who doesn't need to steal. I am interesting.

16:34On the one hand, there is this person who is guilty, because he has stolen, because it is the poor sladrona, that steal by necessity. And then, then, then, then, then, then, when the great almacenes are arrived, and these Victorian sladronas, which are bourgeois women, rich women, do not only begin to steal. They begin to appear in public space, first, which is when large almacenes are born, the woman appears in public space, thanks to the compels. Until then, the compels, take them to the grave, the poor women, the kids, and they will be the ones who face the world. And suddenly, the bourgeois woman, the rich woman, appears in public space, in large almacenes, which are this kind of scaperate park of attraction and then, then, they start to steal. Then, there, when, the pretzel is attracted, because a woman, because, you can not say, you are a thief, you are a delinquent, so, you say, well, what you have, is a mental disorder, a mental disorder, that you have to treat. And there, the term,

17:35Erectomania, this is very strong, right? For example, these are modern robins, which we know a lot, which is a Bonnie and Clyde, which is what we call an absolute icon, which is this is a Romeo and Juliet of the carretera. And it is very strong that, when, when they finally died, tiroteados, right? In their cars, then, or before an attraction, I don't have it too clear, there are many people going out. And here, everything is my tolerance. Around thiefs. Around robinjhs. Around, not. These thieves that, somehow, represent the fantasy of all society, of being able to have things, right? You could be free of everything you want, right? So, when they died, A lot of people went there, they took pieces of broken crystals, pieces of blood, they cut pieces of hair, of each of them, and if we take them to my room, we take them there. And if you put Bonnie Parker, right?

18:35Bonnie Parker, fashion, or Bonnie Parker, clothes, or Bonnie Parker on the internet, you look like a great, but a great amount of editorial that even today, Bonnie Parker is still unique in fashion, right? Of course not. Super present, in bogey, you know? A lot of editorial models that appear on photos based on this woman, Bonnie Parker, who in the 30s in the United States, was robbing banks with her in love, right? Like. Like. It's very nice because Bonnie also wrote poems, because if it was little, not like the myth, it's big. People who have it all, right? People who give it all to be a icon, right? Yes, it's very realistic, right? Well, I'm reading it here, because I do a search, and the second question is, was Bonnie Parker a cat? Well, we don't know, but with everything else, what else? Bonnie, no, but Clyde, yes. In fact, Clyde, for... Look, this is very interesting because what I didn't want to Bonnie and Clyde to work.

19:36Of course, you know, it was... At the time, it was at the time of the big press, I mean, at the end there was no way out where to take out, but Clyde, the girlfriend of Bonnie Parker, for not having to carry out the efforts that they demanded after the prison, cut a piece of stone. And then it was picked. That was true. In fact, I could not conduct zapatos for some reason, because I was missing a piece of stone. And then, I was driving in calcetines, which is curious, right? When they arrived to a bank, I was driving in calcetines, and it had to be calcetized in the zapatos, because I could not drive with zapatos because of this lack of the gold of the stone. I mean, I was willing to cut a piece of stone so as not to have to touch it. To touch it. What it indicates, as a declaration of intentions, it is an aspect, a whole society. That's right. It is very nice that Bonnie's tomb has a poem of herself, which is beautiful because it seems that it is dedicated to herself, right? No, it is like... It is a bit more suy in its tomb, which it says. As well as flowers are indulged

20:36by the sun and the rice, this old world is more brilliant by the lives of people like you. Wow. Without doubt, it had to be for her, I understand. Because, of course, who is not going to write that, if not... It is also nice for someone who... No, someone who reads it, who is going to spend the whole time and there is that message that refers to the person who reads it, right? At the same time. It is nice. This old world is brighter by the lives of people like you. Well, total. Around Bonnie and Clyde, there is a lot of my size, in fact, there is a festival in Louisiana, every two years, and there is a little stone where the people leave memories, right? From then Bonnie represented to all the workers in Paro, to all the women of that society delighted in the United States during the Great Depression. So, it was a icon of fashion and a icon of life. A icon of that rebellion that almost nobody could take care of it, and it was a bit like that exponent of that fantasy, it did not take care of it. Yes. And there are many cases of drones like this. It is curious because the drones,

21:38women, many times, they steal for questions. For example, Joan Haninton, who now has made a movie about his life. It is a drone, much more recent, that stole to recover the custody of his daughter, right? There is also a case. It is a woman who, I think she still lives, for a few years, she was 86 years old. That would be a lot bigger. It is Doris Payne, who is a woman with a great vital frustration because she could not be a dancer, because she was black. And at that moment, when she was a young woman, she could not have ended up in the ballet for the black women. And in some way, as she was talking in a documentary that there was talking about how she knew that she deserved something in life, something great. And there she began to make the drone of Hoyas, right? It is a woman who discovered she was already much bigger. That is, she was stealing Hoyas all her life, many of those Hoyas never found herself, and it is fascinating to see her, talk in this documentary that is called the life and the crimes of Doris Payne.

22:39Wow, that is, she did it very well because it was taken care of late and she lived. Yes, they never caught her. They caught her already, they caught her as a woman, who understands that as a woman, she has to be even easier, right? I remember my grandmother stealing, stealing Major, and nobody suspected her, she could beat her and nothing happened, right? Yes, that all the grandmother stole things from her, and all this. Yes, it is like something, right? I think, I have seen a lot of many Hoyas or I have heard of many Hoyas who stole small things. My grandmother, the phrase that she said, when she was stealing something, that was, we are going to do it wild, and I caught and I always wore the things. Wow, I see it. But it is one of the playable parables, it is the only one. But that phrase is enough to have a collective of... It is Yomango, it is the Yomango of my grandmother, yes, yes, totally, totally. It was sold, totally organized, and with a great dilemma. But it is very nice, well, very nice, and very interesting, and very sad for many lives. The amount of motivation,

23:39places that can be found when we are not in Herroba, and now you are putting in every story that is telling me, but it is very interesting, I think I have chosen to talk about the drones, because it is a much more broad world, I think, right? The drone. Well, it is much more interesting, because you do not know, you do not know where to put the drones. The drones, as it was more clear, but the woman, as always, I am going to say, in front of me, is that great mystery, which is supposed to be, it is that dark gray, which is the woman. So, among these great comies, we do not know what to attribute this, there is this relationship between the kleptomania, the hysteria, this terrible utero in which he was talking in the hysteria, that he was saying that the utero traveled to the length of the body, and that is why women were turned crazy. Of course, because they did not find a simple way to solve the mystery, like asking them either. Of course. Exactly, and why? How the angel of the place, which was considered the woman in that time, soon, was returned, this,

24:40this rapist, this burrata, soon. And what more types of robbery or history did you know? Well, for example, well, I wanted to mention Marny La La Drona, because it is a great example of the relationship between kleptomania and hysteria, in this film of Hitzcock, which by the way, offered him the character Agraiz Kelly, but Agraiz Kelly, she had already married with Ranero de Monaco, she was Reina de Monaco, or Princess de Monaco, and I don't, I don't know, how is it going to be? It's going to be related to robbery and sexuality and trauma, sexual in childhood, because the history of Marny is a very Freudian history, a woman who steals from a sexual trauma of childhood. A rigid woman, as in some way, focuses on sexual supulsions in the compulsive robes, and, finally, it is bleeding for the presence of a man, or for the, or for the, yes, for the clarity, and with an analytic of a man. It's curious. And again,

25:40the Victorian La Drona, and this is the characterization. There is a very interesting book of Naxomoreno Segarra, published by Nanti Persona, which is called the Victorian La Drona, kleptomania and gender in the origin of the great almacenes. And it speaks of this, which I said before, of the kleptomania, as an enigmatic condition, and it is one of the mental disorders, not the only one, one of the few, but not the only one, and now I mention the others. It's one of the mental disorders that are the result of the pathologization of a crime, we could say, what is possible that it is used as a defense motive, that is, it's crazy, and as in the case of the infomania or the hysteria, the kleptomania became a diagnostic eminently female, linked to female biology, and there is an impossibility to resist sexuality, absolutely. Sexuality, right? Also, always sexuality, and the brain understood of the woman, who always travels through there as a nutty, as you said. Yes, exactly. So, look,

26:40it's just in 1880, between 1880 and 1930, here it was the age of the jumps in great almacenes, well, it was the birth of the great almacenes, and therefore, the birth of the great almacenes, and here it is where the kleptomania appeared, because these births were produced above all by women of medium and high classes, right? And so, they had to invent this pathology of the kleptomania, right? Maria, why didn't they steal it because they needed it or to eat it, or, or, of course, they could use it and they needed that disease. Of course, they didn't understand, right? Why did they do it? So, they invented this disease, Maria Una Nue, who speaks in an article about this book by Nacho Moreno, says, speaks of the privilege that the privilege of linking with calm was only reserved for a few, right? Totally, it was well defined. Of course, but it is not about that the industrialization and capitalism promoted this highly consumer culture

27:41that became the great almacenes in this park for adults and, in some ways, women were acting in the way that the culture of consumption had taught them the culture of consumption took them out of their homes to those burgues women. Although, then, there were some types called Forty Cips, Quarenta Ladrona which were a band of English ladrons which were women of low class that were disfigured from women of high class to be able to steal to be able to steal and not receive the weight of the law, but the weight of the exercise of the problem. This is this is curious. Maybe in the past, there were some consultations that were useful. Although, it was never gratifying. But I hope it was that and not a lobotomy or an electro-choke. In fact, it was something that was still at that time and still with these women. Yes, not so recently, even though they were still there. So, we could say metaphorically

28:41the ladrona which needs to be stolen, not the one that needs economic but the ladrona which is stolen puts relief the absurd of a system that promotes that we work to generate money to spend on things that we don't need. And also, it also puts relief of this system to a person that is more and more insatiable that promotes capitalism. And there are other cases I would like to mention because they are very curious that are similar to the kleptomania cases that have been invented to put a name or a part or explain a great social pain. For example, the kleptomania or the epiopic anesthesia are an invented pathologies absolutely false for a psychiatrist in the United States called Samuel Cartwright mediados of the 19th century. The kleptomania made reference to the desire of African slaves

29:41to escape from their uses. It was an invented pathology. Why would you feel? Look, why? Why? Why would you feel a slave the desire to escape from their uses? What disease was so curious? What disease was so curious? In particular, the plans of the United States and the United States. It was a racist society. At that time, the slavery was a legal order because it was a natural phenomenon imposed by God. And what was found was that it had to be a psychic disorder. And it was also a diagnosis that was also reserved for the black slaves. And it was characterized by the path to the work and the cure of this pathology consisted of latigases. Here we see how the society invented pathologies to try to explain things according to the order. No? Marked by God they get out. From that direct path. To find out their own incongruence. Of course, totally.

30:41Not totally. To be able to close by all the vastness of a completely infectious system and unfairness. And to live, to live, to live. This, of course, are disorders that, with so many disorders, psychiatric has been abolishing as it was restored. That is to say, it was a certain justice. We would say justice, right? These discussions with the abolition of the slavery of 1865 were eliminated and it is very related to what we talked about, or we can comment about the hysteria. Of course, it is the same. It is the first disorder that was attributed to women. In reality, the story of the birth of the hysteria, as a pathology, is the story of torture, submission and sexual repression of women. It is very curious because from the paper the Egyptians are talking about this term of hysteria that comes from materialism, and the very

31:41platondesia. If the material remains without producing a lot of time, it is written and encolored. It goes wrong by all the body and in general there are diseases. There is the theory of the terrible hysteria, of all these wrongs invented for enormous grids. In the end, it was a constant desire to calm women in any kind of behavior and I say any kind of behavior that does not create or take care of. Yes, this is always because, of course, that it was rich or brutal. If you were poor, you were passed by the filter of the law, if you stole or if you were crazy. I wonder if you were in an hysteria attack. On the other hand, if you were rich, well, then,