Derroteros: Dobles, con Sabina Urraca (CARNE CRUDA EXTRA)

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1:04The end of the story is going to be unpotering baby. I like that, honestly. I saw that and I thought that there was only one thing in the computer that comes to the hair of what we are going to talk about. Well, in fact, you have a little bit of the other side of the screen. Yes, well, we all have it. Yes, yes, yes. Well, I was talking about the double because the other day I was watching a video clip from a group that I do not know if you know, that it is called Kiev when I was new. I love it. My friend Javi, here he is. It is one of the music songs. And then in that video clip of this song that is called Opinion, which I love, there is a moment when they are in an iglesia, to all the characters, an iglesia of the forest, I think it is. And there is a moment when there is a girl, one of the characters that looks like a fox that is in that iglesia and looks like herself.

2:07And at that moment, without knowing why, they jumped me to tears. Where? Then I wrote Javi and said to him, hey, I have passed this and he told me, there is something strange there, because he also provoked me as a strange emotion, that scene. And then I began to think about this kind of strange attraction that causes us the idea of doppelganger. doppelganger is a German word, which defines this double-fantasmagorical or, in general, you are wrong about a person who exists, doppelganger means double, and ganger is, that is to say, it would be a little like the one on the side of our. And obviously, you can't avoid thinking about this idea of the evil gem, of this person who is the same to us physically, but it is like our bad part. And also this idea of the location that someone exactly the same to us, is in another place. In some way, the doppelganger is like this, I am a ghost, or it can be a reflection,

3:07or a shadow that increases or that benefits. We do not know this first thing that we believe, that we are us. Obviously, all this was based on a certain feeling, Ego Latra or Ego Maniaco, because we are the original and the other one. Well, there is the terror increase, who are we? We are the copy or the other. We are the original. We are Jackie Lohaib. Exactly. I am very happy because Jackie Lohaib was asking my friends, because I started to think about this topic and I told them, who was evil and who was good? Dr. Jackie L. Mr. Hyde, fast. It was like, no one knew, because Dr. and Mr. give a sense of security to the titles. And also, I have always been told, Jackie is a word that seems more to me to be heard. To be heard. Yes. Lohaib is a game to hide. It is to hide, of course. Yes, yes, yes. But it is true that Hyde supposedly is evil. Well, it is evil in the story, but it would be true. Jackie Lohaib is worse. It sounds worse. There is a certain confusion. If you ask someone fast, you will never know. It will be like a specialist.

4:07And he has it very clear. That is to say, the Doppelganger, we are the same. And I think there is something of emotion in that being seen from outside, but at the same time, the theoretical result. It is always doubtful. It is also us. Or it is another person who simply has our aspect. Or it is a disadvantage of us. It is to say that it has to do with us. But it can be back against us. And this is important too. And there is a connection with another idea of double that I remember that was very present in my life. I do not know if this has happened to you once. Let you have a scene in which you are present. For example, a party. Or for example, your own house of childhood. In my parents' house. Where I grew up in Erife. There was a patio. There was a patio. And from that patio, my room was seen. And sometimes, when I was studying, I went out to the patio and looked inside. And the only thing I needed in the room. At night, with the extended lamp. It was me. But whenever I looked at it, I looked at a fear of seeing myself. And it gave me fear.

5:07And at the same time, it gave me freedom. Because at that time, it was so dumb that it was the essence. And these obligations. The mathematics. I'm going to talk clearly. And the bronches with the parents. And this kind of kind of short of freedom. It is that we feel that everything is happening to us. I thought that if it is something else, it would remain. And I was going to be free for the end. That is, the Dopele Ganger can also deliver us from the task of being ourselves. Totally. I think that's the most fascinating idea. In fact, there is a movie from a Spanish director Andrea Jaurieta, who is called Anna de Día. And the premise is precisely that. It is Ingrid García-Jonesson, the actress, who, after a few days, looks at herself from outside, taking her own life. And then she takes advantage of her life. There are not many examples of this Dopele Ganger, like Alivio. I think it is particularly interesting. Well, the last series in Superstar, there is a part of Dopele Ganger. Well, it is true. Look, and besides the same actress, it is Ingrid García-Jonesson. Exactly.

6:07There is a hole. Look, I had forgotten. And I have it in my presence seriously, because I liked it a lot. But it is true that this hole is one of those two possible lives. Yes. It is fascinating. It is curious that in the Nordic and Germanic legends, for example, Verald Doble is not Alivio. It is a hole of death, of bad luck, of illness. There is also a critical of art and literary, not called Mario Praz, it was called. It was connected to the figure of the double with other popular figures of folklore. Here we are again from Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, the man of the tree, as it is the tree, the beautiful girl who hides in her interior is not a demon, the woman related to the evil, like if that angel of the place could transform herself soon in a demon, but this evil tree, as it is very present in the folklore. And he is also thinking about the double with lipidinoes,

7:07as always in mythology. Zeus, for example, took the appearance of Anfiterion to join Algmena, and there is also a British, named Utter Pendragon, who was converted into a double of the marido of Igrine to be able to do with this woman. In other words, until you are the couple of that woman to be able to deal with her. You are mistaken. Yes, it is about taking the identity of another, to convert the double of another precisely to replace it. Of course. Of course. Yes, well, and then, also, for example, Yuvia Dorada, which is very present in mythology. There is a lot of question. There is a lot of this question of the disdoublaming for always confines, not sexuals, to deceive someone. You think that it is a help that is falling on you and in reality, Zeus, that is faking you, that is, the absolute tramp. And if you could say to take the past of the day, well, nothing like that, because you don't know it, because Zeus has taken this double-ganger

8:07in the form of something that does not seem to be human. The moment in which it starts to be interested, it starts to be interested by the double-ganger is in the romanticism. But always, as the materialization of this dark and mysterious side, Yunglo calls it the shadow, the shadow of the same. And here it is curious, and we are going to talk about, almost, Dr. Yekyll and Mr. Hyde, and we don't know who is, who is the good, who is the bad. We always call Frankenstein to the creature. If you say Frankenstein, do not think about Dr. Frankenstein, who invented the creature, do not think about the monster. You have to say, Dr. Frankenstein, and the monster of Frankenstein. But if you say Frankenstein, do not think about the monster. In some way, this represents how the Frankenstein monster is going to be an invention of Frankenstein. It is not easy to be like a waste of its soul, to invent your character, like when people ask you. And what character

9:07of your novel is you? It is an autofixion. And I always tell you, I am all the characters. Of course. All the inventions. They are my children. Then I leave that and then an interview, a man said to me, how are your children? I don't have children. If you said that your children were your characters, well, you can create, but well, it is to say that everything you create, in some way, does not let you be of a dark and perverse way or your role. Well, in fact, your own words can generate a double with which you do not feel identified at another moment. That happens a long time. It is going to happen in that interview. Maybe I said, well, yes, I said that. Maybe I don't remember. Yes. In general, I have to say that the titles that are taken in the interviews generate a double-ganger of the real person. Well, when you have a public figure, an image in public, there is a certain double-ganger of what you are, that is the intimacy and what you are publicly. Well, I would say that, even now, all the subjects, to have social networks, to have several social networks, some people. And use them for different purposes. In reality, we are developing our personality

10:07in different characters. To the double-ganger, it is very, very present and currently, especially having in mind that the artificial sciences are supposed to be taking data from us and that they could implant us at a given moment, or convince someone, right? That we are the ones that we are writing or talking about. They can even implant us at a physical level in a video. And it may seem that it is our voice. I am hearing some things, right? Like small tips to know when someone created for artificial intelligence is not real. And they said that it was very important to look at the inside of the mouth. Because that should not be repeated yet. Good artificial intelligence. Like the friends. Let me open my mouth. Yes. Let's see if it is real. Open your mouth to see if it is yours. Yes, yes. It is a kind of cappuccine of the low-diffraced of the ball. Yes. That hands are big. That the inside of the mouth is not defined. There are many books that... No, that... that treat this

11:07issue of the Doppelganger. It is the Egliksiris of the devil of Tahofman, who is a romantic author, who, in the protagonist who is called Medardo, suffers a perception of a double, which sometimes has a body and which sometimes is a part of this kind of medardo. And it is very curious because, after the middle-difficult of Italian language, we have been read this trilogy of Italian language for me, it was very important in the adolescence. No, no, no, no. Well, it is the middle-difficult of the rampant bar. The rampant bar? Yes. Well, it is also the middle-difficult of the rampant bar and the existing knight. It is very curious how Calvino plays in this trilogy, but I am going to talk in terms of the middle-difficult because it is also called Medardo. The protagonist, I suppose, who is taken of Tahofman's novel. The protagonist is divided into two, due to a rock ball, this Medardo of Calvino, and both parts survive in an independent way, and only at the end, after a fight, he gets to join them and he goes to the complete man. And it is very curious because he is the good-for-nothing

12:07and the bad-for-nothing. And he says at a moment, in the book, if you once become in the middle-difficult of yourself, and I wish you, you will understand things that escape to the normal intelligence of the entire brains. You have lost the middle-difficult of you and the world, but the middle-difficult remains. It will be a thousand times more profound and valuable. I like it because it seems to me that you have small teeth as a help car, right? At the moment, when you break your life, in a way, it can be that piece of cloth that remains for you, it becomes more intelligent, it becomes more experienced, learn things that are whole and without starting to learn. And then, the first Medardo of Eta Hothman, who spoke a lot of the mental illness, I think he was more interested in psychology and spoke of schizophrenia. Yes. That influence, too, Steven is when Jackie Hain, right? Yes. Very from that moment that you are studying. Yes. In addition, I think that both of them would say that there is this question of the potion that is taken.

13:07And this is important because it connects with alcohol and drugs, right? Of course. With drugs in general, I don't know why I say alcohol and drugs. With drugs in general, with these substances that make us in another way, that can be that they release something that is within us, that can be generated something new. I don't know. And that many times I have to put a book and the treatment of every day of that original that I can put a heavy load in some moments and in other moments is that Mr. Hyde that surges I had to think about. That Mr. Hyde that surges to take substances can be contrary. That can be converted into the true load, right? What did he do at night? Who went to night? Who was it? He scared me. What was able to do. It is very interesting that these books that have been generated myths, right? Jekyll and Hyde and Frankenstein are protected by doctors, by doctors. Yes. They are the doctors that create that double, those that generate

14:07that other possibility. That obsession, I think, of the romantics, right? Because everything that was in the body, what is inside the body, what is inside the mind. Yes. In reality, they could be writers, because they also generate or a character, right? But it is interesting, right? That Mr. Frankenstein and Dr. Jekyll could see them as owners of the ability to create material and give life. Or the gods. They could be a sculptor, they could be a writer. In reality, well, a sculptor and a writer would not sell evil, because he is very happy. Many examples. Masculines, now I'm going to talk about Cortaza, inevitably, because Cortaza was very obsessed with the double ganger. My favorite, my favorite account of Cortaza in which is used, the phenomenon of the double ganger is distant. And it has been said that he is a young who lives in Buenos Aires, which is called Alina Reyes, and that in a minute he begins to dream with a double soul that lives in Hungary. These visions are being noticed in a diary. And they are not all hallucinations, because they are,

15:07at the time of communication that this Alina Reyes of Buenos Aires has with this another Alina, another Ella, who lives in Hungary. Alina Reyes in Buenos Aires comes to feel the snow in the shoes. And it is very curious because what they do of Cortaza is that they amplify the world of the original character, well, of the character that speaks for at least. There is no position at all. There is an employee of the world. There is an employee of the psyche. In fact, it is very curious because Alina Reyes sometimes and sometimes loves this double ganger in Hungary. From then on, this double ganger is a very important part of his life. He says in a moment Alina Reyes sometimes he knows that he is cold, that he suffers, that he gets it. I can only hate her so much, avoiding the hands that fall to the ground and also to her. To her is still more because he gets it, because I am and get it. And then he tells how this sensation

16:07that she has of the double ganger that is in Hungary with her life and how the difficulty or the easy sometimes helps her to get rid of her life. And it is curious because she says Alina Reyes is a kind of anagram this name, right? Yes. Because within her they give other combinations. And her name Alina Reyes can be in the other and it is the queen. And it is the queen is an anagram of Alina Reyes. That is, the letters are disorganized, right? And they suggest this idea that finally lies in the encounter of the sovereign, which would be Alina Reyes and the impostor, which would be Alina Reyes of Hungary. In the end of the story, Alina Reyes goes to Hungary and is in a bridge with his double. He gives a hug which is very exciting. I remember perfectly the first time I read it. But the union is very brief. Alina stays in the double, directing without having the cold of the snow and the double becomes full of some kind of understanding that she goes back to good airs in the body of Alina. That is,

17:07it produces a space of souls. Yes, yes, yes. So it is very interesting how to cut here. Here you can see very well of this amplification of me. There are several stories that I like very much, too, about the yellow flower in which the character finds a child in the bus that, in some way, feels like a reincarnation in his life of a next life. And then he opens up that this child is dead, then he is desperate and he goes to the bus constantly looking for that avatar like he is going to plant it in a life. No? Future. I understand. Is it in the book of the stories of the state? Of course, if it is not remembered. Yes. These are these complete stories that are like four tomatoes. They are all these stories are in them. There are several more. In fact, there is one called the secret weapons that is calufriante, because it is a young francés who repeats, without knowing it, but remembering a little vaguely

18:07something that has already been done. They are the act of a soul that seven years ago biologist from this young francés. His girlfriend did not tell it. He is going to see it for this kind of like the queen of kings for this kind of division that they are coming to him. And at some times he is repeating certain acts or movements that he did this soldier to the man who saw him his girlfriend. It is very perverse this, because through a terrible action as he finds a union with that other person. In a way he is also within him. Well, there are one of the first that I remember that I saw playing this video of the Prince of Persia. There is a moment when the Prince of Persia jumps through a mirror and comes out a figure like him, but as more disdain, that runs towards the other side. You keep playing and you pass screens, you pass levels, and in a moment when you reach the end,

19:07you have to fight against yourself. And I remember the frustration until I said the technique that I had to be given to myself, I received the same impact and lost a life, too. I remember, but really, to take almost the tears, being desperate until I discovered a manual, inviting and asking that I had to be right to a tecla. At a given moment and then you jumped through a mirror and that double disappeared. It was very curious. And it is very perverse. I imagine that story that you were fighting against yourself and you were destroying it. Because you could be attacked if you didn't discover that tecla that you had to be. You were always attacked. Yes. And there is something that I didn't know. There is a scene called Grymon Press, which has a movie called Devil Take. It is supposed that in a moment this man wanted to make a movie, protagonized by someone who appeared to Hitchcock.

20:07He wanted it to be protagonized by Hitchcock. So he did a casting. This first scene came to be. But from this casting he emerged a type of Romburrets that found identical to Hitchcock. But it was very similar. And he was doing Hitchcock since more than 20 years in different shows, documentaries. And it is curious because between Hitchcock and Romburrets there were many similar vitals. With 14 years Romburrets worked as a hotel of London, which is the same in which Hitchcock was the favorite restaurant of two of his fetish actors. And there is a very curious thing. It is that then I discovered that Hitchcock did not have a watch. For a domino that they did they did not have a watch. So this led us to think that Romburrets, perhaps, had a watch was the original. And Hitchcock was a colon. And that is why he did not have a watch. Clearly.

21:07Clearly. Well, there is infinity of questions. I highly recommend reading a book of Naomi Klein. The last one. The last one. It is called Pell Ganger, not a trip into the mirror world, like a trip in the world of the mirror and there talk about this fascinating phenomenon. In which many people began to confuse Naomi Klein and the declarations. And to believe that there were declarations that she did with Naomi Wolf. Those are two women who have even physically said that in a first moment, you can think that they are the same person, right? But they are, well, very different. Naomi Klein is the author of No Logo, that is, it is a woman, as a contestant, right? Activist. And Naomi Wolf has been taking more and more to liberalism, more salvage, right? Anti-vacune, anti-mascarism. And then, Naomi Klein began to find a moment that was guilty of the declarations and of the ideology of Naomi Wolf.

22:07And she could have done anything to dismantle it and be able to destroy this embryo. So, it is very fun, as she talks about this doggy and the other Naomi, who is intellectual who has jumped out of the liberal feminism to this activism, anti-mascarism, anti-vacune, and that is also betrayed by Steve Bannon, the ex-assessor of Trump. So, well, it is fun to see how, it is very fun to think about what we talked about before, right? In our doppelganger in social networks, for example, our doppelganger in the internet, are, for example, the most beautiful versions of us or are the most violent versions of us or the most coward of us who are these people, who can read them and that we are at the same time. It is like a kind of

23:07character creation that we do in social networks. Absolutely. If someone comes and he tells me that he does not know to create a character and he directs social networks. So, yes, you know to do it, right? And there is something of the retractor and angry in all of this. Because that's a doppelganger also. The doppelganger is in the language and allows you to do the writing in a in a double that takes the part bad. The purple part of all of this while you are young and eternally beautiful. This is curious because in the means that if you look for a photo to put it without permission, you can illustrate it and do not ask you in general take the photos in which you are younger. And when you tell that you are wrong, thank you. But it is better that we have

24:07the reality and we do not feed this in the retractor of the angry that one day you are going to run the curtain and you are going to horror and save the reality. Well, there is something of the doppels that is that kind of horror that produces the gemelars. There are two people in the world that you have a double in some part two people that make the horror a kind of horror like the resplendor. This is a kind of attraction and horror. When you have not ever met someone and suddenly you say, I have a gemel identical. At that moment you are installed and the desire to continue to talk with that person until you present your gemel and you can see that strange magic. Well, this is strange magic that you say to feel sometimes the same things or perceive something together suddenly there are two characters that give many keys to the story that are two gemelos. Because there is something

25:07of the horror story and the gemelar sometimes produces that sensation and because, well, it will be a way to make our doppels in the comic. You are playing this horror. Well, you will see two new methods. Well, and a theory that I had and when you enter a starbox or in a franchise similar there is a doppelganger that is producing instantaneously through a bubble in a other starbox of the world. A person who is just like you who is taking the same coffee. In my case, something very strange was in New York very little. And this is a story. I was talking with a friend of mine and he was in town of Sanabria. I was in New York and he was in town of Sanabria. And then I said to him in New York which is your name and I told him it's easier then he said Sabrina. And then he said how? And I said okay. And suddenly, when they called me to

26:07give me my coffee, they said Sanabria? Oh! He left me because my friend just sent me an audio and I had not pronounced Sanabria. My friend sent me an audio saying I was in town of Sanabria. And of course, I have a photo of that background in Sanabria. A connection as if. Impressive. Yes, yes.