DEI On Steroids + Future of the Census

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1:02and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends, and viewers. All right, our two of the Charlie Kirk shows underway, January 22nd. Lots of good news today. Lots and lots of good news coming through. And something we want to make sure that is not being overlooked is some of the behind the scenes work that's being done. To clear out a gut of terrible precedents that have been living. Just sort of behind the surface of the federal government for decades. And you brought it up when we had Kelly Laughler. And we're actually going to bring her back on because a lot of news has happened at a small business administration on something called eight a. Which if you had to summarize quickly, Blake, before we bring Ben on, what is eight a eight a is it's this giant morath's federal program to basically or orders. It's a program created by Congress orders the government to give a certain percentage of its contracts to businesses that are certified as owned by disadvantaged people of small businesses owned by disadvantaged people.

2:08And this being America, who counts as disadvantaged has grown to the point where you are disadvantaged if you're anything other than a white man. Yeah. So if you are a woman, if you are basically anyways, if you are from a national group that makes more money on average than white Americans. Like I believe Indian Americans. I've heard of Americans disadvantaged. They out earn white Americans. So here to help us explain this is Ben Weingarten, who is a newsmax contributor. He's also a real clear politics contributor and writer. Ben, good to see you again. Welcome back to the show. I think this correct me if I'm wrong. Is this the first time we've had you back since you know we lost Charlie. I always want to give the guests an opportunity to reflect on that as a first as a first step. Well, thanks so much for having me and it is the first time since being back. What a what a loss. It has been for the country. You guys have done an exceptional job picking up the mantle to the extent anyone can.

3:11And I think the way to honor his legacy is to fight with just as much vigor. Just as much intellectual honesty and heft. And with as impassioned a sort of drive as we can possibly have to overcome these forces of evil and darkness. That that conspired to take him down. So you know as you we say may his memory be a blessing and I would also say may his memory and his works inspire us to go forth and conquer in this war of ideas and for civilization on his behalf. Yeah, well said, Ben and you you've been a long time guests intermittently you have these great pieces that come through ever real clear. And I know you're also with Newsmax now and so congratulations on all your success and all the things you're doing. This is a huge story. Charlie was all over disparate impact. He was all over CRT was all over DI.

4:11Something we never talked about until just recently and Christopher Rufo has been talking about it as well. And we're going to have Kelly Leffler actually Laughler on the show tomorrow. She wants to come back on and give updates on what's going on over at SBA. But how big of a problem is this insidious little thing called eight a and what's being done to solve it. Yeah, well, thanks so much for this kind words and eight a really looks like the small business administration manifestation of DI on steroids. And even if you think that that's a political characterization, we need no look no further than the fact that hence focused by the Biden administration. Under its effort to infuse every single aspect of the federal government with quote unquote equity. And what they wanted to do was raise the percentage of SBA contracts to eight a firms eight a eligible firms qualified firms from 5% of contracts to small businesses to 15%.

5:21That's really all you need to know about how significant of a thrust this was and what does that mean we're talking percentages. But these are tens of billions of dollars in contracts every year that are steered towards purported socially and economically disadvantaged individually owned small businesses or majority minority owned small businesses. And so that's massive obviously when we're talking about no bid contracts or limited competition focus from federal authorities and this is really dating back years if not decades is on the fact that the program is open to massive amounts of waste fraud and abuse. There's a recent prosecution over in this case, of course a US aid administrator who was doming out contracts to the 200 to millions of dollars and receiving kickbacks.

6:21With these eight a firms, but beyond that the man allegations are that you have these pass through entities where a firm puts itself out there as being owned by a minority business owner and then sub contracts out the work to massive defense contractors for example so essentially the idea is that you have a front company that looks like a minority company and they don't really do any of the work. They affect the fees and then they shift the percentage of those fees on to a major company that actually does most of the work and that of course there's the idea that there are companies who claim to be socially and economically disadvantaged and in reality should not be based upon the criteria set up by SBA and there have been studies done by inspectors general to show that. One thing is the waste fraud abuse and that this is this looks like a racial preference program that is potentially right with fraud and that's led to all sorts of scrutiny by the SBA by the Treasury Department now by the Department of War according to recent announcement by Secretary Hegsiff and beyond the other aspect is is this thing legal in the first place and there are regulations underpinning.

7:44This program is actually executed that suggests that there is a rebuttable presumption that you are a socially and then economically disadvantaged business if you are a member of a minority group that presumption was challenged so basically if you are not a minority you have to prove that you're socially and economically disadvantaged but if you are you're assumed to qualify for the program unless there's evidence shown to the contrary. And that evidence is basically never shown historically that regulation was challenged and at least one federal court found that it didn't pass legal muster so to get around that rolling the Biden administration said okay we're not going to use a rebuttable presumption but under this program you're going to have to draft a socially disadvantaged narrative essay to show ways in which you've been disadvantaged. And so this is basically like a proxy for what the Supreme Court assumed that a lot of universities might try to do it again around affirmative action being prohibited which is just write an essay as a proxy for it.

8:52So we've seen that similar regulations have gone from the SBA and been applied by a slew of other agencies now in other programs. So while you had a court say this rebuttable presumption for the SBA doesn't pass legal muster and the Biden administration try to find a workaround the underlying regulation has been adopted by a ton of other agencies in in dulling out awards under programs to advance quote unquote socially economically disadvantaged individual so this looks like racial preferences that continue to exist. And so I wrote in this recent story about real clear investigations about a lawsuit that seeks to wash away this regulation and invalidate it not just at the SBA but everywhere it's been adopted across the federal government. Yeah, just to put this in perspective here because you you didn't brush over but I just want to draw attention to it again in 2024 the SBA awarded some 78 billion dollars or 12% of all contract dollars so they didn't even hit their 15% mark to so called small disadvantaged businesses often under no bid or limited competition arrangement.

10:08So that's 78 billion in one agency and to assume that there is some fraud waste and abuse in there I think would be a safe assumption the waste is picked in because you're just allowed to pay more for something you could get cheaper that's already wasteful on top of the literal fraud that you on top of that. And it's just interesting as the demographics of the country shift ban it's like how long are we going to keep up this ruse anyways. President Trump walked into a catch 22 when taking office do nothing in America would be staring at a ticking debt bomb the kind of crisis that could cripple our future instead he's taken action with strong policies to slow the train and buy some time. But the effects of past administration spending are still working through the system and experts predict dramatic price increases in market uncertainty Trump is doing all he can but no matter who's in office protecting your retirement savings is ultimately up to you. And that's why many Americans are turning to real assets like gold and silver preserve gold is our go to choice here at the Charlie Kirk show we use them because they make it easy to own physical gold and silver even inside your retirement accounts like an IRA or 401k.

11:17Now here from Charlie in his own words preserve gold is my go to choice for all my precious metal needs they are the real deal and I recommend them to my friends family and viewers get their free wealth protection guide now by texting Charlie to 50505. President Trump is fighting for America's future now it's your turn to help protect yours. All right Ben there is news also on the 8 a front that you you mentioned this briefly but it's kind of a program that's morphed and it's evolved and it's it's kind of spread to other parts of the government. And so Pete Hegseth came out and said that he's getting rid of 8 a how big of a chunk of money are we talking over a deal. But we're definitely talking about billions of dollars annually and the Department of Defense is among the biggest dollars out of contracts to 8 a eligible firms. So it's like DOD HHS or some of the the main agencies that contract through the SBA with these 8 a firms.

12:23And so there's been allegations of defense contractors oftentimes effectively winning business using 8 a firms as fronts essentially to get business they couldn't otherwise get and something that was mentioned that's really kind of perverse in this is. Is shouldn't all companies be competing a sort of according to their merits on their own qualifications and it's the same thing with affirmative action in school. Well the courts have said that these affirmative action type programs it was always assumed that they would lapse they would go away when we reach the place where discrimination wasn't rooted in all these different institutions and if it's been found in the schools. Certainly wouldn't we have found it in the private sector as well at this time and it's also worth noting by the way we're talking about 8 a in a federal government and there's questions about whether or not that can even comport. With the Trump administration's own executive orders against D.I. in federal contract and in a federal government but you also have these disadvantaged business enterprises so-called that get carved out contracts at the state and local levels so it's billions upon the federal billions of dollars that are involved here and there's a whole.

13:43Racket arguably associated with it in the law firms that represent these companies in the advisors of the court stands the people who write the studies justifying the continued use of racial preferences so it is a massive massive deal in terms of dollar value you can argue that it goes way beyond what it would mean to abolish affirmative action in colleges this is tens of billions of dollars at least just on the federal side every single year taxpayer dollars. Yeah well and I think that's really smart and this is you know some of this is wonky I'm sure the audience is kind of you know it's a little bit in the weeds but it's so critically important because when we have senators like Ron Johnson here say we got to get back to pre-COVID level spending okay which is what for four and a half trillion dollars now we're like seven okay six and a half seven. This is why it's so important because when you increase the federal budget like this and you got these eight a and this D.I. and this disparate impact embedded within the federal code and all these statutes you got to just assume all your tax dollars just going away and getting flushed down the toilet for stuff that really is illegal I mean I remember Stephen Miller was on a crusade before he got back into the administration

14:57suing a bunch of this anti white discrimination and especially as the demographics of the country change when when you got 50% white country and you got 50% you know minority country a lot of this a lot of this doesn't make any sense it's sort of like in Los Angeles there's school district has a special category. James Goodesky yeah he's on next about you'll create special categories where it's supposed to be they'll have schools where they're marked a special because their majority non-white and they get special privileges because the idea smaller class sizes smaller class sizes more money all these things and it's 80% of the schools qualify for this because it's only 10% of the students in L.A. or now white so what you're you're literally at the point where okay this is not a leg up for this disadvantage small group it's we just want to punish white people and it's spending it's so important. It's it's it's spending a lot of money here's Pete headsets on reviewing and rooting out a day within the DOW 398 so effective immediately I'm ordering a line by line review of every small business sole source eight a contract that is over 20 million dollars.

16:04I will look at everything smaller than that to it's a two-stage mission first if a contract doesn't make a small lethal it's gone. We have no room in our budget for wasteful DEI contracts that don't help us win wars period full stop second we're doing away with these pass-through schemes will make sure that every small business getting a contract is the one actually doing the work and not just some shell company funneling your money to a giant consulting firm. Ben final where do you this is similar to in Minneapolis you have basically government programs with limited safeguards and of course they're going to get abused and I think the really important thing is this. The Trump administration is trying to do everything it can using executive power to get out of the D.I. business D.D. can all turn right back on in a future administration. Yeah, I mean it's so true. This is why we got to win the midterms we got to win in 28. Ben Weingarten Newsmax contributor real clear investigations. Thank you my friend. This is Lane Schoenberger chief investment officer and founding partner of YRIFI. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with turning point and for Charlie to endorse us.

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18:18It always does actually. He always brings really interesting stuff. There has been a third arrest William Kelly who was this crazed lunatic. This guy was always wearing a beanie, barking at all these people, poor people in this church. He has been discharged and actually is an FBI custody. So yesterday he was there is a picture of him, real lunatic. And we have a video of him yesterday basically challenging Pam Bondi to come arrest him, 402. So you know Pam Bondi you want to come and arrest me, you want to come and give me charges, so be it. And for all the people giving me death threats, threatening my life, kill me. Go ahead, kill me. Because you know what, as Fred Hampton said, you can kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution. It's too bad this guy didn't go protest to church in Chicago because then we could have had William Kelly on to discuss William Kelly. That's a good point. So this guy has been spotted all over DC. He's a complete lunatic. This is what he does full time.

19:18So he said, come arrest me, Pam Bondi said, okay, deal. I'll take that deal. Now an update, apparently a magistrate judge blocked the Don Laman charges. So they, I'm not exactly, we're getting the details there. So Don Lemon has not been charged. Yeah, there you go, magistrate judge rejects charges against Don Lemon over anti-IS protest in Minnesota church. Okay. This is my guess here is that this is some sort of activist judge who didn't want to, you know, he just is treating Don Lemon as a, as an independent journalist. Don Lemon was not an independent journalist. He was, he was there as an activist. Okay, you don't kiss the main lead organizer has also been charged and arrested. You know, tell them, thank you for your service and defend their actions. If you're just an independent journalist, he's an activist. Okay, that's what he is now. Welcome back, Ryan James Gerdoski. There we got the housekeeping out of the way there, sir. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. It's good to see you. Thank you. And you said a crazy guy with a beanie was arrested. I thought Tim Poole was going to show off.

20:18But I mean, it's much better news. Yeah, as far as I know, Tim hasn't been raiding churches, storming churches. Although I wouldn't put it past him. He's, he's, he's unpredictable. All right. So you had this interesting take here. And I think we've got the graphic and we throw it up. But you, you basically break down the, the states that are losing population. And this is something that we've been on really for a long time, Ryan, where you say green states that saw net positive migration from other Americans, purple states are states that saw net negative migration. And you say this immigration is the only thing keeping certain blue states like New York, Illinois, New Jersey and California from losing 10 plus congressional districts. Take us back in time. Because this was a fight in Trump 1.0 where they tried to make it so that in the census, we would not have illegals counted in the census. What happened?

21:18Well, I mean, listen, when I say immigration, it is both legal and illegal. I think that has to be sat there and stated. From my recollection from the census thing, they, they brought up to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court said, no, that they have to be counted. Now, before that there was also a court case that said that only people of voting age and legality should be counted. In other words, children shouldn't be counted and people who can't be voted. The residents or the visitors or their legal visitors or they are illegal and should not be counted. Because that would at least make every congressional district of equal voting population. There are some congressional districts that have 100 or 150,000 more voters and other districts make so much more expensive, harder to win. So that was interesting, but all the court has been very pretty consistent saying they're saying, no, it's every person in the building gets counted. So with that, with that happening, especially because of COVID, there was a mass change in movement as far as people goes. California essentially has the same amount of people today as it did in 2020, right?

22:18American citizens are leaving that state, they're leaving New York, they're leaving Illinois, they're not willing to deal with the nonsense of failed government, Democrat governance. What is happening is that the 300,000 plus people who have moved to California from other countries have made up from the loss of population of Americans. So in the 2030 census, when California should be like, okay, let me say, how are the states doing? Where do people want to live? Where are people moving? California should lose five seats. They really probably should lose five seats. They wouldn't gain so many had it happened for illegal aliens over time, but they should lose five seats. It is only for legal and illegal immigration that they don't lose more. So it is very important in these four years where presidents are really cracking down on illegal immigration. He is putting up barriers for legal immigration that we sit there and we really reduce these numbers because in the 2030 decade, right? As it stands now, Texas, Florida, Utah, Arizona are all set to get Idaho, set to gain congressional seats.

23:20California, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Illinois will all lose or Washington, Oregon, so it's lose one as well. They will all lose. What does that actually mean as far as presidential polish go? It means that that decade will be the first decade where the entire blue wall does not matter. In other words, if a Republican wins North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Arizona, they win the presidency. And Ohio, I should say Ohio too. As long as they win Ohio plus those other states, they win the presidency. There is no more conversation of how Wisconsin is going. I mean, it will be important to win those states and to sit there and campaign there, but it's not necessary anymore. The entire climate changes and it becomes very difficult for Democrats to really climb out of that. As Florida is not a swings anymore as Texas is not become a swing state like they hoped it would be. Arizona, North Carolina, and Georgia is really, you know, they have, they have worked to do there to sit there and try to win. Yet, and still, they cannot count on these big blue states to deliver them because Americans don't want to live there.

24:22It's such a big topic, right? Because, you know, you have native-born Americans that are bandoning American states. They're, they're completely, they're opting out. They're walking. And it just, it seems like such a travesty that we have a whole tracks of this country that Americans find so detestable that they refuse to live there. It doesn't matter that they have families or parts of America. California was, let's be frank, it was paradise for decades. And paradise is depopulating. It is a place of the very rich and the very poor. You have to be a special kind of stupid to drive people away from California. You, you have to. Yeah, go ahead, Brian. Yeah, no, it's true. And think of, I mean, but think of like public schools, right? Public schools are literally free from people to attend and yet they still won't. Democrats will make something unlikable even if you give it away for free. That is how bad some policies happen. And think of all the millions who are literally trapped there who vote against its policies year in and year out. And they said they're, and they try to work their way to make sure super majorities maintain and the insanity continues.

25:26So I think it's very, very important that the whole country doesn't go down that route. And we are no longer held hostage to these big blue states anymore because Americans don't want to live there. And if we can cut off illegal immigration, start deporting people. I mean, we are, but ramp it up. And if we can sit there and reduce legal immigration on top of that. We saw, we, we'll see massive change to the tune of 10 12 seats at a blue states into red 10 12 electoral colleges. And it's a whole different ballgame. It's just a complete of the 2030s change radically. Well, the 2030s change. I think there's an, I think there's an argument. Listen, if we look at what the Democrats are doing in Virginia, they're going full Marxist in a D plus six state. And we can't get Indiana to redistrict. There's a, we are, we are taking a knife to a gunfight, if you will. And it's, I mean, we're just, we're still playing under an old playbook. And I thought we were past that. I thought in the ear of Trump, we'd finally learn to learn our lesson after 2024. We have not. We have not. And you know, so Ryan, you are the host of its numbers game.

26:28You're also, you do the nappop dot sub stack dot com. You're also the founder of the 1776 project pack. You're like one of those people we bring on the show. And I got to have all these different like titles ready to go. Okay. No, no, you're doing, you're doing great work all because. And so you are a numbers game guy. Talk about this deep mass deportations. You just said, we got to ramp it up. I agree. Then you got Axio saying that this is so unpopular. The Trump administration is looking at it. You got this story this morning or this five-year-old illegal that they're, the Democrats are spreading all this propaganda turns out the data banded him. How popular unpopular is it? And specifically with independence and minorities. So the New York Times poll that just came out this morning was terrible for Trump. It was horrible poll numbers, except on two issues, border security and deporting illegal immigrants. Now they're going to sit there and say, oh, the poll said that ice is unpopular. Yeah, they don't, people don't like massed agents. They don't like watching families cry. They don't.

27:28People are people like they have a heart. However, that doesn't mean that they don't endorse the deportation effort. It is the most popular issue still when they ask what is Trump doing right? Deporting illegal immigrants, it was popular among not only Republicans, but I think it was plus 12 among independence. It was positive among all age demographics over the age of 30. So only the very young were opposed to it. It was very popular among men. I think it was 50, 50 among women. It is the issue that people voted for Donald Trump. This and there was no like, oh, I wonder what he'll sit there and do. The signs were at the convention, the mass deportation now. So overall, yes, when they see the images in social media, they really don't like them. It's really given something they don't like what happened in Minneapolis. However, they still support deport doing mass deportations. If blue states would get on board with actually allowing prisons to up. So, you know, obliged by ice detainers and we get to pour them straight from prisons, which blue states are stopping right now. It would be a much easier and pragmatic approach.

28:30We can't have that. We should also be looking at finding increasing finance against employers at higher illegals. That's an easier way to do it. But the good thing is that the Brookings Institute and AEI looked at this. We're having a net loss about 100,000 illegal, uh, foreign-born citizens this year, this year and not citizens, but foreign-born residents this year and about half a million next year. It is working. It might be a little painful for the people who are queasy, but it is working and it's a good thing. Hey, guys, if you've been a faithful Kirk podcast listener for any amount of time, then you've probably already heard about Strong Cell. It was Charlie's favorite supplement. If you want to deal with your brain fog, fatigue, lack of energy or constant illness, then you have to try Strong Cell. People always asked Charlie how he's able to use mine. So sharp and his energy up and Strong Cell was his go to every day. I traveled the country with Charlie watching people ask him time and again if he really believed in Strong Cell. And I loved watching him tell him, yes, he loved it and he used it. And he made us all believers to here at the Charlie Kirk show.

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30:35Well, I'll tell you right now, the Trump administration, we reject that. We are going to get illegal criminals out of our country. And we're not going to let a few left-wing radical stoppers. So it seems like the administration is getting the memo here. Ryan James Gerdeski 1776 pack. Blake, read some of these numbers though on this New York Times poll. For sure. For sure. I mean, Ryan. It's interesting to me. So as you mentioned, he's strongest on the border. But unsurprisingly, people are annoyed about the Epstein files thing. But like, for example, he's only 41 approved, 53 disapprove on Venezuela, which we talked to Rick Ferris about that. It's interesting because Latin America does overwhelmingly seem to like it. And it seems it basically did work, whatever he was, what his plan was. And we didn't invade. We didn't have a war. So why are they unhappy about there? Or 3754 on the Israel-Palestine conflict, where it's imperfect, but they actually did get a ceasefire in that one.

31:36Which is one of the things he promised he would get. He's seen it's too close to BB, bro. Yeah, 34, negative 24, 34 to 58 on Russia, Ukraine. I guess it hasn't ended the war yet, but nothing catastrophic has happened either. But if you look at that, because if you look at the numbers, right, it comes down to the substantial thing of inflation and cost of living. Right. The only thing that he does worse than the cost of living on is the Epstein files. And it's kind of like something one thing has polluted, and therefore everything is polluted. It makes no rhyme or reason. Like on Israel, he did a great job on Venezuela. Everything worked out. Like so there's the negative negativity towards the issue of cost of living. And the feeling that he is not organized on the issue of cost of living. And that's not a priority. Pollutes everything. The one caveat I will say by the time. So I'm not a, I'm not a poll truth there. But the one caveat I will provide for the times issue is when they ask independence. Do you lean Republican or Democrats overwhelmingly Democrats? So there could be some maybe a little, maybe a margin of error in one way or the other.

32:39But I think that the idea is that the priorities are not there. We want to really focus a lot on American, American stuff and making sure American jobs are coming back. And I think that that is just creates negativity across the board on everything. What is driving the, so people say cost of living affordability. Is that a vibes based thing? Is there something specific they see? Because I just thought I was looking up. And I know rental prices in a lot of big cities are stagnating or falling. So housing, especially for people. Health care is a big part of it. But also it is one of the worst times when to be young and looking for a job in our country. Like that is just the truth. I don't know whether it's AI or the job is being moved overseas or whatever the case is. You hear a lot of things from a lot of different people and you kind of parse through to find the truth. That though is a really big part of it. And the number one group that is set there and turned on Trump are young people. It's people under the age of 30. His numbers are very stable for people over the age of 30. I mean, they're really not horrendous.

33:40There are some numbers that could be off. It could be better. However, the numbers under 30 where you're seeing the biggest U-turn against him. I kind of think in part part of its vibes and its social media and people getting outraged over every kind of nonsense there is. And part I think is one of the worst times to be a young person to try to find a job. I will tell you, we had a bunch of turning point students on the show not too long ago. And I was struck by how much they kept going. And again, these are conservative kids. All right. Okay. So it's a selected bias there. But I was struck by how much they talked about H1B. And listen, H1B is actually a small fraction of a much larger legal immigration to some extent. But it's what they talk about. Right. Cause it's symbolic for them. Because they feel like, you know, yeah, they do have the AI onslaught coming. That's an entry level job killer. AI is going to take a lot of analyst jobs. It's going to take a lot of, you know, data jobs.

34:42So they look at H1B as a truly symbolic problem for their generation going into the workforce. I think they need to do more on that. I think they need to do more on legal immigration because legal immigration is actually structurally. I think one of the biggest problems facing the country. Yeah. And listen, President Trump is going all in on AI. He's making a really big bet. He says it's going to create more jobs and it takes away. Maybe it does. And maybe we're just in the pain period. I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball. However, if he is wrong, it is a generational consequence. Like there's, I don't know if anyone sat there and said, Mr. President, what if you are wrong on this major, major thing? And you're looking at a generation where 20% can't find a job. I think if that's a real conversation that Democrats on the left are having. Rokana is having that conversation. Democrats are saying, what are we going to do about AI in a real way where we redistribute wealth? Speaking about it as a solution towards socialism. AI is the gateway to actually get real socialism in America in a way that we have never felt it.

35:44They think that that's the answer. And I know the internal polling that they have flagged the president says the numbers on AI are not great. Like they, most Americans are worried about it. They're not concerned. You are the AI president. I think that that's something that they should be sitting there and trying to calculate and say, okay, what are, you know, what are we doing? You know, I saw David Sacks was flagging this over at Davos and he was talking about how China has, you know, the Chinese population has like an 80% positive rate, you know, when pulled about AI. And in the United States, it's like 40, 41, 43%. I think the president is right to go for AI because it's not even whether AI will create jobs or not. It's that AI will exist. And do you want it to be in America? Like, or do you want it to be in China? And we lose whatever job that takes. And regulate it at all. That's the question is like people like, like Sacks will say, oh, we need a federal regulation. And then just Sacks, okay, what's the federal regulation you support? And see if he says anything because I have yet to see when we when you ask Silicon Valley to police themselves, they fail.

36:46Do I mean, we can just go back to 2020 where they were literally on board with every single far left extreme thing that there was. And then Trump was popular and won and now they're all on board. They believe us again in 35 seconds. They don't care. They have no loyalty. If you ask, what is the thing you're willing to sit there and actually get hard federal legislation on, what is it? And I don't just tell me, you know, children, child pornography. Well, tell me real concrete thing. Yeah, I mean, I listen, and I know there was a bunch of back and forth on the one big, beautiful bill. And there was that one clause, which it was going to, you know, put off any regulation of the state level for 10 years or whatever. It made sense because California was in New York or so large. Their economies are so large that they could basically dictate a patchwork of woke regulation at the state level on AI. And it would screw everybody else. So I understood the sentiment. It got demonized and villainized. Yeah, 20 seconds. But Andrew, but remember Tennessee was what killed that part of the bill. I know. Tennessee did it. It was in New York or California. Texas has AI regulation.

37:46Florida has AI regulation. It is not just the thing is, yeah, we're going to end up with patchwork because there's no federal response. Either make a federal response and give up something instead of asking Silicon Valley for advice. Give up something that the taxpayer, the voters want, or you're going to see just states continue to do it. You can't have a both ways. Ryan James, you're asking really good conversation. We'll have you on back again soon. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieCurk.com.