Daily Bread

0:00Recorded live at Tox and Tasting Studios, it's the Clarical Errors Podcast. The podcast that shows you what's behind the collar. Let's go from the Pox and Tasting Studios. This is the Clarical Errors Podcast. The podcast that shows you what's behind the collar. This is Bull Hagen. This is Vicar. Peter's here. A.B. How's everybody doing? Good? Yeah, pretty good. Doing well. Alright. I wonder how my football predictions are going. I don't remember what they were. That's alright. You don't even know who's playing. Yeah, I do. There's a game called Iowa State, this Thai Hawk game. Yeah, I'm sure this is going to be a very close game with really... Wait, wait, wait a minute. Peter, this is after the game. Boy, what a game that was. Can you believe that? Can you believe Iowa State managed to get a couple points? It was amazing. I never saw that happening. What do you think of the game, Vicar? I could take it a leave it.

1:01Hey, Iowa's got offense this year. Look at that. Yeah, they actually have a fast receiver this year. So I got a top public. Now, being a Vicar at Supervisor as I am, it's really easy to spot future seminarians. So I have 12 costumes that might help you identify whether your child is going to go to the seminary or not. Mm-hmm. And you'll judge it. Halloween costumes? By their Halloween costumes. So if any of these Halloween costumes is a good chance, he might wind up at the seminary. That makes sense? Yeah. Alright. Peter, play the intro. That's nonsense. It's time for Boogins Top 12. Number 12. A walking book of Concord. Yeah, I would say that's a pretty good kid to get.

2:04Number 11. A bottle of Tylenol. Number 10. A mocking, sanctuary screen. Yeah. Make. Number 9. A World War II soldier. Number 8. David's scare. Number 7. A papal bull. Number 6. Flame. Yeah, that one's pretty modern. Number 5. A chantone. There he go. Number 4. Jerry Kishnik. He is pretty scary. Number 3. John Eck. Number 2. Martin Stefan. Yeah. Number 1. Your whoever the district president is. Or of course, Matthew Harrison. Yeah. Hey, Peter, play that. Alright. Playing it. Hi, I'm Matt Harrison, president of the Lutheran Church, Missouri, Senate. And you're listening to Clareical Errors podcast. Big guys, no idea what we're talking about. No, I don't. I gotta say, if you do know who your district president is, then that's a pretty good sign

3:04you're gonna end up at the seminary. Right. But here's the thing. This is how you know when your child dresses up as a district president, you know he's going to the seminary. Because if he dresses up an admiration of the district president, not seminary material. If it is a mocking, then or how about this? If he's dressed up like the district president in an honorable loving, I want to be like that guy passion, he's going to the state Lewis. I'm in there. Yep. If he does it in a way that mocks, Fort Wayne seminary. So any of those, if he decides or she, no, he, this is a seminary students, right? He only. I should do a 12 list of that. She'll be a decadence. He can this. Yeah. I get in trouble. Ebra. Alright. So, so if your child dresses up like a, by the way, there's time. So you can think about this, right?

4:05Maybe dress your son up as some of the right. Because if you think I want my child to go to the seminary, you can slowly introduce these. Well, the next 12 years costumes. That's right. That's right. By the way, one thing that maybe we'll talk about this, but there's a story that I thought was funny that I saw. And that is apparently Walmart and Target and Amazon had to pull a costume off of their shelves because it was a World War II soldier. Yeah. The costume produced by what it was a tagline. If you're looking for a vintage style look for your next fancy dress night, why not try a 1940s theme. Okay. There's a thing about this. Try, try 1940s. It's the hip, it's the hip, right? You think.

5:06And I like how it doesn't take sides. Yeah. You know, I could see, you know, dress up like a soldier on D day, you know, no, but it's just like, well, we don't want just a soldier. Right. You know, just, you can add your own markings to it. Just a soldier. Yeah. But you know, I got me thinking about this though, is this is where on the topic. I know we're only a month away, but everyone's taught every where you go. It's already Halloween. Yeah. That's right. Anybody's been to Costco, right? But what I find interesting is if they had to pull that off of the store because a people were offended about a World War II soldier, like if you really think about it, how was that worst in dressing up like demons? Because they, because of what if you really think about it, well, that's too real to dress up like a soldier. Yeah. What is the inference made actually in a way that I think children are smart enough to catch on? Yeah.

6:06You catch my drift? Not us saying, you know, obviously, I don't have a problem with kids dressing up in scary outfits. Yeah. Right? That's fun. Right? But to say that, oh, that's more offensive than, you know, making fun of someone who robs people of their souls or devil or. But all of that's not real. It's just Halloween stuff. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They play rock down in hell. Oh, yeah. That's right. Right. So interesting. What do you think about my, my discussion there, Picker? Pretty good. Because you're, you're, you have a young parent. You have, you have all these years of dressing up. Does that ever tell you about a dream I had when I was the kids were little? No. Okay. This is actually kind of funny. Okay. You know how maybe you've had this, you, everyone's had a dream where they've done something by accident was really stupid that made everybody mad. Yep. Right? So I had in this dream, I was taking the kids out, trick or treating, and I was dressed up like the grim reaper. Yeah.

7:07And I got a last minute call to a hospice house and I forgot to change. Hahaha. And everyone said I was sick and twisted and how mean that was. I scared everyone. Like, oh, no. Hahaha. In the dream, it was an honest mistake. Hahaha. Yeah. So Picker, don't do that. Okay. Well, we should get to our preaching on, Picker. The Old Testament reading is from 1 Kings chapter 17. Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah, arise and go to Zerapheth, which belongs to Saitan and dwell there. Behold, behold, I have commanded a widow there to feed you. So he arose and went to Zerapheth. And when he came to the gate of the city, behold, a widow was there gathering sticks. And he called to her and said, bring me a little water and a vessel that I may drink. And as she was going to bring it, as she was going to bring it, he called to her and said, bring me a morsel of bread in your hand. And she said, as the Lord your God lives, I have nothing baked, only a handful of flour

8:10in a jar and a little oil in a jug. And now I am gathering a couple of sticks that I may go in and prepare it for myself and my son that we may eat it and die. And Elijah said to her, do not fear, go and do as you have said, but first make me a little cake of it and bring it to me. And afterward, make something for yourself and your son. For thus says the Lord the God of Israel, the jar of flour shall not be spent and the jug of oil shall not be empty until the day that the Lord sends rain upon the earth. And she went and did, as Elijah said, and she and he and her household ate for many days. The jar of flour was not spent, neither did the jug of oil become empty, according to the word of the Lord that he spoke by Elijah. All right. So kind of interesting how I think that Elijah here is the one who shows kind of a struggle because isn't this after the profits avail thing?

9:11I think it is. Yeah, that looks about right. And so he's in the mess of a state of mind right now, right? Yeah, just slaughtered all those beasts. And here this widow actually becomes an example of faith because she prepares it, trusting that, and I think it's interesting that how the understanding of hospitality and being a neighbor, even though you have a little, and then they're looking to share. Yeah. And that's actually the expectation of the Lord of her. Right. She has to show the hospitality before she actually gets to see that the bread and the oil won't run out. Right. Right. So kind of a beautiful example of faith and God's care. And it also places what we will see in the Gospel reading into context because that talks about worry about food and that kind of thing. And you know, you think about how God cared for them.

10:11They didn't run out of flour and oil. Yeah. Like to our minds, after about eight days of flour and oil, you know, you might be a little tired of flour and oil. Yeah. So maybe because we have so much that we would even be able to be right. Right. Right. Right. So that places, you know, Matthew six, which we'll talk about in a little bit in the context of, you know, we are so well taken care of that being anxious about what we eat, what we wear. We're so far removed from some of that. And yet I would venture to guess we worry more. Yeah. That we ever have. Yeah. God forbid we eat chicken and rice more than two times in a week. Well, that's that's good macros though. Yeah. Chicken rice and broccoli. Yeah. Standard. You're living the Old Testament diet. That's right. They probably had massive forums back in that. Yeah. That's right. That's a butter. All right. You have any comments on that? No. And you can also, too. Remember, Elijah represents a prophet, someone who speaks for the Lord.

11:15So there is an idea of the word of God being fed, the word of God being fulfilled. Because it said that the flowers not spent neither the jug came empty according to the word of the Lord that he spoke by Elijah. And so that's important to remember that the keeping of God's promise, which she was held to trust in, that she was trusting in the word of God. And so right along with seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, or the word of the Lord standing forever, you know, to even desperate times when it doesn't look like there's a solution. Yeah. The trust in and what God's word says. Yeah. And when you only have a little flower. Yeah. And Jesus uses this example of Elijah going to the widow of Zerapheth because the Jews were upset that he was, you know, going to the Gentiles, that kind of thing. And he says that Elijah went and visited only the Gentiles and he actually left all the

12:22widows in Jerusalem during this famine. So it's interesting here that the widow of Zerapheth knows of the Lord of Elijah as the Lord, your God lives. I have nothing. And then he says, well, this is the word of the Lord and then she still believes it. Right. A Gentile in Zerapheth. Right. Which actually is a good, we'll lead to our discussion. It's the answer to a question from an email that we had. Yeah. I think that falls right in line with that discussion. Would you say? Yeah. All right. Epistle reading. The epistle is from Galatians chapter 5. If we live by the spirit, let us also walk by the spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. Bear one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ.

13:25For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. Let each one test his own work. And then his reason to boast will be in himself alone and not in his neighbor. For each will have to bear his own load. One who is taught the word must share all good things with the one who teaches. Do not be deceived. God is not mocked. For whatever one so's, that will he also reap. For the one who so's to his own flesh, will from the flesh reap corruption. But the one who so's to the spirit will live from the will from the spirit reap eternal life. And let us not grow weary of doing good. For in due season we will reap if we do not give up. So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone. And especially to those who are of the household of faith. All right. One note, it's kind of the beginning of this kind of reminds me when I wound up preaching on that we didn't talk about the last five. That's right.

14:25Where the walking by the spirit, because the last time the epistle reading was walking about by the spirit or walking according to the flesh. And actually what I pointed out from also Solomon's words from Proverbs about thinking of it in terms of a journey or travel or walking. That you're going in a specific direction. And there are steps that are made along the way. And so, when we think of sin, we think of temptation, and we think of succumbing to sin. It's not just a matter of what is doing what is right and wrong. And then God forgives me for what is wrong, which he does. But also to bear in mind, what direction is this heading? And so when you walk by the spirit, that is not saying that you are walking as a sinless person, right?

15:25Because here is talk about correcting, growing, changing course. I think that's a, you know, and so here it is to seek to do good to everyone. He's asking, saying, walk in a specific way by the spirit, walking in that that has a direction. Whereas, you know, sometimes sin and its temptation also leads to a specific direction. And what they example I gave in this term it is sometimes it happens where people ask themselves, well, how on earth did I find myself doing things that three years ago, or when I was a child, I would have found a porid. Yeah. Well, it didn't happen overnight, right? It was a step by step journey. And what the walking in the spirit does is what baptism does, it gets you back, beginning, it's to reset your course again day after day. So that living and walking according to the flesh doesn't pull you away from Christ, but

16:27you're constantly being reformed to the Word of God. And also not just yourself then, this would also suggest dealing with others to God in transgression. You who are spiritual walking that way, restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Yep. I think that is very important because on the one hand, you know, gentleness doesn't, is an interesting word because, you know, you could say things that are right that aren't gentle. You can correct things that you could say, well, technically, oh, you know, I am right. This is what the Bible teaches, but you can do in such a way that keeps them from actually hearing the Word that you're trying to give to them. Yeah. And so that means too that you use, you know, your intellect that God has given you in your tact of how is it that I can restore someone, help them. Yep. And at the same time, keeping watch on yourself where you are walking.

17:30Yeah. And bearing one another's burdens means that if someone is weak, you help them in that means. You don't. And this is why it's can only be by grace because if it's by works righteousness, your neighbor becomes your opponent. Yep. Your, your salvation becomes how do you compare to someone else? And then it goes on to talking about sharing with the one who teaches, taking care of your teacher, right? And what you sow and reap. I think that goes right along with the walking, you know, because it's growing. Yeah. You know, if you sow something bad and you allow this bad sinfulness to continue to grow, and it will reap what it is meant to. Yeah. If you sow according to the spirit, what God gives, what His promises are, what His Word is, what He gives in His baptism and the way, because when you think about the sacraments aren't magic in the sense of, okay, you just do this and you're automatically bad. Part of that is repentance and turning along the way.

18:32It's not just, oh, here's my magic medicine. I took it. Yeah. You know, this would assume that there's a process of repentance growing, learning that goes right along with what God gives that that you do. So remembering your baptism, which we talk about all the time, is not just, oh, I'm baptized, I can do whatever. Remember your baptism means that, oh, this is who I am. This is what God has made me. I don't have to be a slave to certain things as I once was. And so that goes right along with that walking in the spirit and the way we understand the sacraments, how we understand forgiveness. And when it says by the spirit that reminds us that in that the spirit is the source of life and all of it anyways, as you walk, it's not you that walks, it's the spirit in you that walks. It's not your own righteousness by which you're saved. It is the righteousness of Christ, which leads you to learn to live according to what God

19:36has said you are. You know, kind of like when you were a child, Vicar, and he did something wrong, your dad would say, this is how you're going to portray the camp family name. You're perishing our name when you Peter cut that out. He said it was a bad thing. I'm testing the waters. All right. Any comments on that, Vicar? Yeah, I do really appreciate your discussion on walking because that does seem to be in keeping with what you were talking about preaching last week. This is sort of like you said, the checking of the other person, trying to turn them back to the way of righteousness and then not letting yourself fall into the way of unrighteousness while you're doing it. And then, yeah, so with the sacraments, we do actually have forgiveness, life and salvation, and that's a core or by the spirit who also lives in us.

20:39And so he's saying, yeah, we have all of these things and we have the promise of God of eternal life. So start walking that way. Right. Yeah. And then the connection, right, Elijah is the one who teaches the widow, Zerapheth. And he stays with her for a while, many days, right? And the Lord expects the widow at Zerapheth to provide for the one who preaches the gospel because he says, there's a widow there whom I have appointed to feed you. And so she actually, in faith, trusting the Word of God, provides for the teacher and thereby the Lord sustains her. And so we'll talk more about God's providence in Matthew 6. One of the points there is that because God actually provides everything for you, why do you worry so much about keeping money for yourself or keeping food for yourself as

21:43it was, as it were in this Old Testament reading? Because you are actually given to the people who teach you to supply for them. And also all of your other neighbors too. Let us do good to everyone, especially those who are of the household of faith. So if you're sort of looking at your bank account all the time and trying to figure out how you're going to make ends meet and you're not giving any mind to the needs of your fellow neighbors, that seems to be contrary to the faithfulness of the widow at Zerapheth and contrary to what Paul's trying to get us to do here in Galatians 5 and 6. Right. Because in Matthew 6, there is actually a discussion just before this about when you give to the needy. Don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. Well, if you're so wrapped up in what you need and providing for yourself for days, years, head to the point that you don't become very hard to give to the needy, that is an issue.

22:48So you have the spirit who gives you life. You also have God providing for you your daily bread so that you don't actually have to worry about those things. And you are freed up in that way to do good for your neighbor. Right. And this is how God actually works out his providence. For Elijah, he sends him to the widow at Zerapheth. And if she didn't give up what she had, then he wouldn't have eaten. Right. Right. So it's all sort of connected together. All right. That brings us to our gospel reading. Since we've already talked about it a little bit, let's go ahead and read it. The gospel is from Matthew 6. Jesus said, no one can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money. So you said the language that we talked about earlier, you can't walk in two different directions. Yeah. Essentially. Right. Or the flesh. Yeah. Of course they're contrary to each other.

23:48Right. Therefore, I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing. Look at the birds of the air. They neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? In which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life. And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow. They neither toil nor spin. Yet I tell you even Solomon, and all his glory was not a raid like one of these. But if God so close the grass of the field, which today is alive, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, or you of little faith? Therefore do not be anxious saying, what shall we eat, or what shall we drink, or what shall we wear? For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need

24:48them all. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow. For tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble. One thing that hit me when we are studying this in our winkle, and it's probably something that's only fascinated me. Is this is the same chapter where Jesus teaches us the Lord's Prayer. Teachers, this is how you pray. And included in that, we have two of the petitions. Give us a stay, our daily bread, and seek first the kingdom, thy kingdom come. And you have that discussion, which you could actually see this as almost a discussion of the Lord's Prayer in that way. Because when you pray the Lord's Prayer, give us this day our daily bread, because this is not long after we find that teaching in Matthew 6, you could then say, okay, give us that you're asking God to give us this day our daily bread.

25:51So even as you pray, he's saying, no, I don't worry about it. Pray is not worrying. Pray is trust. Give us this day our daily bread. I don't worry about it. God will take care of you. You are of more value than the day. You could even include our Father part of this. He is your Father who loves you and cares for you. And then that teaches us that, and as you pray the Lord's Prayer, who trusts in what he gives in the prayer. That so forgive us to stay our daily bread, or forgive us our trespasses. Give us this day our daily bread, believe me not into temptation, strength and temptation. All the things that you would include in the prayer, this would lead us to believe. Oh, and all of the things I'm going to trust in God who gives all of these things. He's going to give me the kingdom. He's going to keep me strong in temptation. He's going to deliver me from whatever evil I find myself in. And in faith, the Lord's Prayer then teaches you to trust that he is the one that will be the Father who will do those things. This happens to be an explanation of, give us this day our daily bread and the kingdom,

26:54which he promises, seek first the kingdom of God. So even as you pray that, will you trust him, that God will give you the kingdom, even greater than the daily bread? Yeah. And to realize too, all over in the Old Testament Covenant, so when you think about remembering the Sabbath, or the Sabbath year, or the year of Jubilee, of all those things where God had specific times where you trusted in Him that He would provide. You can think about bringing them out in the wilderness where they would certainly die unless God fed them. He goes out of the way of taking them into wilderness, taking them where they are not taking the given time, they're not supposed to work and all those things, just so that they know that it was God who was providing for them and not themselves. And I think that's an aspect that we remember about this too, is God is the one who provides it. You could talk easily about vocation in this passage too, because all the things that

27:58is done to put food under table, God provided that for you. And everyone who brought that for you was a servant of God with a realized it or not. But to me, what do you think about that idea of using this to kind of understand prayer and the Lord's prayer? Yeah. I think a really good further explanation about being anxious about food and drink, right? And so when you take this and you have the understanding that it's sort of ridiculous to worry about these things, then with that in mind, praying that the Lord would give you your daily bread. Again, you're not looking to satisfy it yourself or something. You actually do trust the Lord to give it to you because you recognize in all of these other cases the birds of the air, the lilies of the field, that He takes care of them and are you not worth more than, right? Right. So it's strengthens faith in that regard too.

28:59When you look at the examples of nature which Jesus uses to show God's providence, even for the little things. And so you who are so much more valuable than that that He even sent His own son to die for you, like how much more is He going to take care of you? And ultimately, He'll give you what you truly need and that is the kingdom of God, love and beyond the physical need. Right. Because have there been believers who have died of starvation? Yes. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And that's one of the big points I think that makes it difficult for some people is they say, well, God will provide for me my daily bread. And then they don't eat that day. And they say, well, what the heck, God? Right. Do you provide me my daily bread? Right. But remember, this is spoken by the one who was tempted in the wilderness by the devil to change his stones into bread in Jesus, voting, man does not live by bread alone, but by everywhere that comes from the mouth of God. Right. So that would remind us too that, well, certainly Jesus trusted in the daily bread even as He

30:04went hungry for a long time. Yeah. Right. And I think that it should show us that even in the midst of suffering and trial and temptation and tribulation, even when you're starving, it is should remain an article of faith that God does provide everything that you need. I heard a story once about these crusaders who were right before a big battle. They fasted for 72 hours. And then the Turks came on them after the three days and then they won the battle pretty handily. I don't think very many of them died. But it was again, one of those examples, perhaps, of like even when you don't have the food that you would like, you would think, well, the soldiers aren't going to be strong enough to be able to go ahead and, right, but like it's not about these natural physical processes right that are baked into nature. It's about God's providence.

31:04Yeah. And so like the Israelites constantly winning throughout when they were reclaiming the Holy Land, when they were trying to rebuild walls and then the Assyrians came down, huge army, but then the Lord sent his destroying angel and murdered, well, murdered, killed all of them. They probably deserved it. And like all of these should be examples for us of God's providence and help actually strengthen our faith. Even when God introduces the Ten Commandments, I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of slavery of Veejab. He begins a discussion on the commandments of these are given by the one who has done even more. Yeah. And so it all begins with trusting in God what he gives and what he says and what he promises. Right. And if you take in again Romans 8, always a really good chapter of the Bible, you have

32:06that all things work together for the good of those who love them. But we, we oftentimes just don't even recognize what would actually be for the good of us. And we go through these sufferings, these hungers, these tribulations and then looking back, we actually recognize how good it was for us to go through those things, right? Like we just had an example of somebody who got ALS and then that actually prompted he and his wife to go find a church and he became a faithful Christian for a year before he ended up passing away. Like God actually does control history and he does actually provide for his elect, right? Yeah. Yeah. So and it's just thing too that earlier in the same chapter, Jesus also gives instruction on fasting. Yeah. Right. Where we actually go through time where you go without right. And what is what is fasting to it teaches you how much we keep on how much you rely on on him.

33:07Yeah. Not intermittent fasting where you do it. Get ripped. So yeah. All right. So we got a question from a listener, kind of an interesting question. Yeah. We got a question that says, hello, Bullhagen, Vicarian Pete. I love the show and hope you keep it going for a long time. I have a question about homage. I live around them and they use English people's garages and shops to keep deep freezes in and their battery charges which they pay for but can't have on their property. They also pay to get rides to work into the store, etc. Is it against their religion for them to own slash drive cars and have electricity? So in looking at that, I think that would be like nailing gel to the wall because to say that there is one way to look at that is you have Amish and Menonite who kind of have a spectrum view of that. You know, there are some are well you can use as long as it's not on your property.

34:10There are some provisions made for these type of things. Yep. Within the Amish understanding. So I would say to answer that one, I'm not sure. Yeah, I think you really would just have to go and talk to the Amish people and figure out exactly what it is they believe. And go figure out what their codes are and how that actually plays into their religion. Right. So because the thing is like you might say, well, if you say you find out that that goes against their teaching, right? In a sense, you would be by allowing them to do that. You would actually be leading them to bare false witness. Yeah. You know, you are helping them live a lie and giving a witness that this is what I believe and this is what I think is right. And then giving that impression while they themselves aren't willing to do it. Yep. And that would be a breaking of a bearing false witness.

35:13Yep. So that would be something that you would consider. But so then how does it continue there? He continues. What I would like to know are the English who cater to the Amish damning themselves by helping the Amish break the ninth and tenth commandments repeatedly. All right. So I think you can answer that one. Our religion is not one of works. So when we're talking about, again, I think it's really going to be a discussion about are the Amish lying and are you willingly helping them in that lie? Right. And if you are, you should stop and go talk to your pastor about it and determine if this is actually a good thing for you to be doing. Right. I think the person needs to figure that out for themselves. I wouldn't just wholesale damn everybody who helps an Amish with a ride to the grocery

36:16store or something because it's not actually a sin for the Amish to get a ride to the grocery store. What would be happening there actually is the Amish sinning against his own conscience. Right. And so all does warn us repeatedly not to do that. And so we should love our Amish friends. And if this is actually causing them to lie and sin against their own conscience, stop doing that and try to talk to them about the law and the gospel. But if we just sort of like look at it at the surface level and say Amish say they can't have cars and they're using our cars, does that mean that the person who are letting them, the person who's letting them use their car is sinning? I don't know, man. Yeah. So I'll talk about something. So let's read the rest of it. And then they are coveting what they can't have in electricity in the house and automobiles for transportation. I would say that they're coveting because there are some provisions for that.

37:22Yeah. I mean, you know, you can have a ride without actually breaking some laws. It's like, yeah, you can have a stope on them because it's not connected to a line. You know, like a physical line, all sorts of different things that. So I think you, you know, I'm going to use casual street to answer some of these questions. Okay. And one of the things when you talk about casual street is is it kind of come down to the conclusion of how do you find what less likely via light, late the law? You know, because there aren't, we were kind of talking about this. We want to think that everything's just black and white, but then infiltrates everything where there aren't any clean cut answers the way you want. And so you seek to love your neighbor in a way and trust in the mercy of God. Because you know, you can go down the rabbit hole and super surgically try and figure all

38:23of these things out. And you can get to the point where it does become a works righteousness because. Yeah. It sounds like the same kind of reasoning that someone would have, well, Jesus, you healed someone on a Sabbath. Yeah. You know, where you're so worried about keeping the law that you forget the whole purpose of having that law. Yeah. And so that's something you have to think about. So the first place that you go through when you answer a question like this is the Ten Commandments. Okay. And I would say if the eighth commandment was to put the best construction on it for them, is it coveting that they want or they just need help? Yeah. Right. And like you said, the provisions sort of deal. They actually have it. Right. They get to use the cars and they get to use the battery chargers and they get to use the deep freezers because they're paying somebody else.

39:24So it's not like God has given somebody else the deep freezer and not and hasn't given it to the Amish. The Amish have chosen not to use it. And then they find ways to use those things. Right. So it's not like they don't have it in their coveting it or something. They do have it. The question is not so much of, well, they don't have it and they want it. Is that a sin? It's more should they be doing it according to their own rules. Right. Yeah. Right. So if you're in the Amish to me, better, 10 commandment usage in this whole discussion will be one, the first commandment. You don't want to participate in a false confession. Yep. Right. Right. But I would say, so I would say if you're helping them, you know, get that message out. There are certain things you can do to help an Amish where you are directly saying, I am participating in a false confession. Yep. Okay. And the next one would be the fifth commandment support in every physical need.

40:27Yeah. Right. And helping and pro, help improve and protect your neighbors income and that kind of thing. Yep. Because the Goods Barrettin is an example who is your neighbor. Now you could say, you could talk about the, the man who's beaten, maybe you shouldn't have been on the road by himself, you know, his own stilliness got him in that position. So you should help them. Yep. And I don't think so. Yeah. Right. Right. So ultimately when you look at the 10 commandments, you do not want to support false worship. Right. And do anything that would outthink, for example, allowing people to have a freezer falls into that category. Yep. And the other thing is, I would say just from a practical level, what you, what you mentioned about helping the Amish or doing whatever it could be said about every vocation, everywhere, you would not be able to participate in society if you were asking that kind of question. Because the majority of people you deal with on a daily basis are not Christian.

41:28Yeah. So going to McDonald's and he buy a hamburger from someone who has, you know, rejects the word of God. And then you're used, they're using that income to do something that they shouldn't be doing. Well, then how are you supporting their sin by going to McDonald's? Yeah. You know, you can't, you can't. And actually, we'll talk about how this is actually addressed by the Palsa Paul. And so you want to, on one hand, not support false worship, but also on the other hand, support your neighbor in his body and his possessions and income. Yep. Right. Now, even if you don't agree with, or the Bible doesn't agree with how they understand the scripture. Yes. Right. And I think that's the biggest point when you're helping them in this thing, right? And then say they, they believe that if they don't have phones and they don't have cars and they don't have deep freezers, that's how they get into heaven, right? Right. Then supporting them in this.

42:28And also in general, not preaching the gospel to them, that is going to be problematic for them because they're going to be stuck in their legalism in their, right? We use this code to get into heaven, right? Now if they don't think that, if they do think that the forgiveness of sins has won their salvation and they don't need to follow laws to get into heaven, but they choose to not own cars and not own deep freezers, but still use it, that's all man-made law, right? Right. So they chose to put themselves in that position and they also get to choose what rules they get to follow, right? Right. They want to use your deep freezer and you say, yeah, that's fine. Then it's not actually a problem for anybody, but it's, it's when you're, like you said, participating in a false worship, they are trying to like, lawyerize their own laws and get into heaven the same way that the Pharisees were, right?

43:32Then that's a big problem. But if they, if they are cool with the forgiveness of sins and then they choose to do different things, then it doesn't matter. I don't think sure there's like wisdom in actually following the code that you put for yourself, but like it's not about sin at that point, wouldn't say. Right. It's about being a neighbor. Yeah, right. You have the deep freezer and he chose not to and so he's just asking if he could borrow some of your space. Right. So going from the 10 Commandments to other kind of biblical precepts that we say we hear is, is I think there was something in our, our epistle reading that talked about, let us speak, grow worried of doing good. Now you guys can say it's not doing good for them to help them, I guess, but I don't think, I don't think that's what Paul is speaking of here, you know, of, of, of, of, help her. Now you don't want to help false doctrine, right? Yep. And so other, other kind of points and two is, you know, you know, along with that, you

44:34don't want to support false teaching and false teachers or receiving a false teacher. Yeah. Right. Right. But I don't think that follows that example. Okay. And so I think from the Bible, you could say there's a difference between a neighbor and supporting a false teacher. They're not the same. Yeah. There also it is different to help them like if you're renting a freezer for a man of participating commerce, that's not akin to church fellowship. Yep. Right. And so when mercy is not the same as showing endorsement of whatever they believe in. Yeah. Right. And so there's a difference between supporting someone a man in this household is family as opposed to supporting his doctrine. Those are two different things. Yes. Right. And now that if you are supporting a man in his household and he believes and teaches false doctrine, the conversation does need to come up. Right. Right. Exactly.

45:35If you notice that your false teacher neighbor is going to die if he doesn't get some food soon, giving him food is not actually necessarily supporting his dog. Right. I'll give you a kind of a beautiful example of this. Okay. It's when I was first a pastor, I had some members, I had members in Illinois, Missouri and Iowa because it was right there in the corner. And there's this wonderful family at the church in Missouri. They had goats and they had someone an Amish family not too far from there. And they had a baby with digestive issues. And the only thing that the baby could actually drink was goat's milk. Right. So they provided goat's milk for the baby. Yeah. You know, what a beautiful example of Christian love. Right. Because you could say, well, they couldn't they just get just formula or something like that. Yeah. You know, perhaps goat's milk was actually healthy with the formula anyways.

46:36Yeah. For sure. You know. So, but I think the best example that I could think of when it came to this is in first Corinthians where you have a discussion on eating meat given to idols. Yep. And the question was, can you eat meat that was given by, you know, part of a pagan worship? And Paul says, you know, on one hand, you can eat without raising a question of conscience. You know, are you supporting the pagan worshiping by eating the meat? Be actually paying for it, right? Right. Paying for the meat that pagans used for their worship, which they might wind up using that money. Yep. Even. And so, the way Paul explains it is, you know, you can eat the meat without binding your conscience to it. Unless it becomes a question of conscience. Yep. Unless there is a direct, the question is a sense brought up and people are worried about you being a thumbing block because you, you know, you are then supporting it.

47:38It becomes an issue where it is seen and understood as a way by others that could cause them to stumble where you are directly supporting that. And if it, if it, people take it to mean that way, that causes them to stumble, then don't. Right. So if it is a way that leads them to accept and understand a false teaching and it becomes a stumbling block to the faith, then don't. Yes. However, if it doesn't, go ahead and buy that meat. Go ahead and eat that meat. Yep. Yep. I think that falls directly in with what this discussion is. Yeah, exactly. Right. Because if, um, if you're saving the Amish from his own law, right, by renting him his deep freezer, your deep freezer, then you're actually, um, like burdening his conscience further with his wrong understanding of the law getting him in, in heaven, right? Right. So when, uh, when you're talking about it becoming a problem of conscience, there's, I think

48:43there's two different ways that Paul talked about that being an issue. In the one, it was a weak Christian who knows that that meat has been sacrificed to idols. And so he comes to you and says, well, you're like this really strong Christian kind of guy, but you're also just eating meat sacrifice to idols. And I know that meat sacrifice to idols is part of their whole liturgy. And that means if I eat it, then I'm commuting with the demons, right? Right. So then Paul says, don't eat the meat. Right. And then the other example is when you go to somebody's house and then they tell you, this was part of a liturgy for me to commune with demons. And I want you to eat this meat too so that you can commune with the demon that I was communing with or something. Right. Then you don't eat it because it's actually bad for that guy. Right. Yeah. And I think that that falls right in line, you know, right? You know, if they're, if they're asking you to help with the freezer so that you can arcane directly participate, which is, you know, the Amish don't do this as a mission

49:43project to get you to do this. Yeah. Exactly. They know it's a tough sell. Yeah. They are sadder different. Yep. And I think you can now if it becomes where they say, thank you. This really helps me to. Yep. And they express how this may be helping them or lead them in a way that is wrong. Well, then it's time to maybe change your tune. Yeah. And you know, you can use wisdom here too. And just having learned a little bit about the Amish religion, know that this is how they escape their own law so that they can get themselves into heaven or something. Well, have the conversation with the guy. Do you think that this, right? Right. And then if he, if he's actually leaning into it, then maybe you say, look, you don't have the right understanding of Christ and his forgiveness, right? We read the same Bible. Let's talk about it first. Right. And maybe he doesn't actually convert or something, right? But then I think you have to actually use your own conscience and your own wisdom there.

50:44Because there actually is some chance of actually having that kind of dialogue because it actually believes the Bible. Yeah. Right. You know, a faulty understanding it for sure. Yep. But they probably know the Bible better than you do. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. All right. And so looking at that example that we gave from first Corinthians, you know, a benefit receive that you receive from someone who is a false believer does not make that act participation in that necessarily. Right. Necessarily. Right. So I would say, so some other kind of things that we could say is closeness matters, intention matters. Yep. Like if you're intended to do this, so that they can do it. No. You're intended to help them. Are you participating directly in it? I think those are the types of questions that you can ask because when and when one in doubt, I think the Bible would say help your neighbor.

51:45Yeah. And maybe like a helpful comparison for this too is like you have a Christian in your church, right? Who believes in the forgiveness of sins, but he chooses to impose on himself not to have a smartphone. Right. He has one of those dumb phones that you can barely text with. And so then he comes to you one day and says, Hey, can I borrow your phone just to take a picture really quick and send it to my wife? And then you say, well, no, because you're actually coveting my phone, right? Oh, right. Can't help you do that. Well, no. Right. Maybe you can just let him take the picture. Right. Yeah. Right. And I guess the last point I wanted to kind of make with this is it's actually the confessions talk about this a little bit. All right. Can you guys, you're eligible to not declare the sale, right? That's an afect whatever it is. And that's an 600, right? So it got our dislike about blood. oris, it got that Scientists, they married, the hacking virus, and they meant...

52:50And that was? He gave you a divorce. Let's broadcast why my wife was supposed to be pregnant, I asked her and she all answered One of the only ways to get into heaven is not participating in civil life. That's a problem. Right. If you say I get into heaven solely by the merits of Christ, but we're all going to choose not to be involved in, right? And maybe they would still get to heaven, but you do have a matter of vocation in the two kingdoms to talk about with them. And part of the understanding of being a part of this is to realize you are going to have different thoughts on these things in your neighbor. Doesn't mean you do not participate with them in the daily lives that you don't take yourselves out of society. Because what you're doing is you're falling into exactly the trap that the almage jar. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Maybe your Pentecostal neighbor wants to actually take over the nation and make it like Christian nationalism. Right. Right. And enforce a state religion and all of this thing, these things, maybe that you don't agree with. Right.

53:56And maybe you think are very unscriptural. And so then you say, well, he wants to borrow my lawnmower. Absolutely not. Right. Okay. You can do that if you want. Actually, maybe your pastor needs to have a conversation with you about loving your neighbor and the like. If it's going to be against your conscience, then obviously don't do it. But so I basically took you through a casualstery, tent commandments, clear statements of scripture, political examples, conclusions made from that. Yeah. And also Lutheran professions. Part of that too. Yeah. I think that's a show vicar. Yeah. Feels like it. Thank you. By the way, thank you for the question. Right. Oh, so all right. That seems to be our show. This is Bullhagen. This is vicar. And may your child dress up as the Book of Concord this year. Thank you for joining us. This podcast is available on iTunes, Google Play, Spotify, or wherever else you get your podcasts.

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