Cults & Cons: The Manson Family

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1:00And then he turned them into killers. The summer of 1969 changed America forever. Welcome to Crime House 24-7. I'm Vanessa Richardson. Twice a day every day we bring you the best, most timely and gripping cases from across the entire Crime House network, all in one place, right here. And every Saturday is cults and cons, where we get into the cults, cons, and larger than life characters who deceived and manipulated their way into infamy. Now we're turning to the Manson family, the second of today's two cases, and decades later, the case is moving again. Surviving Manson family members continue to seek parole with Leslie Van Houten's release and subsequent legal battles keeping the murders in active court proceedings. As the last witnesses to those August night's age out of public life, historians and prosecutors are racing to document what really happened inside the family and whether anyone else should

2:02still be behind bars. Our community exists because of listeners like you. Want even more? Join Crime House Plus for every episode of Crime House 24-7, Add Free. Not only that, but you'll get complete access to an exclusive limited series every month. And early Add Free access to all Crime House shows and bonus episodes go to CrimeHousePlus.com or on Apple Podcasts tap Try Free at the top of the Crime House 24-7 page. Now, I take you inside the life of Charles Manson from a terrified child in a West Virginia prison visiting room to the man who ordered nine murders and shattered the countercultures last illusions. Charles Manson's life was chaotic from the beginning. He was born in Cincinnati, Ohio in 1934 to 16-year-old Kathleen Maddox.

3:03Charles never knew his dad, but most people think he was a local con artist who seduced Kathleen, then abandoned her when he learned she was pregnant. Before Charles was born, Kathleen married a man named William Manson. That's where Charles' last name came from. But Kathleen wasn't interested in being a parent or a wife. Instead of taking care of Charles, she'd leave him with a babysitter so she could go out and party. William divorced her a few years later, but even then Kathleen didn't change. She continued to party, and now she added a new bad habit to the mix, committing crimes. When Charles was four years old, in 1939, Kathleen and her brother Luther were arrested for robbery. He went to jail, and Charles went to live with his aunt and uncle in West Virginia. Charles' uncle Bill would frequently take him to visit his mom at the West Virginia Penitentiary in Moundsville. Bill probably had good intentions, but little Charles was terrified of the prison. He would scream and cry every time they went, which Bill took to mean that Charles was

4:07a sissy. Charles also cried on his first day of school. He said his teacher had been mean to him. Instead of comforting Charles, Bill made him wear a dress to school later that week. Bill knew Charles would get bullied for the outfit. That was the point. He wanted to toughen Charles up. Charles did not appreciate the lesson. He definitely didn't learn from it. Young Charles Manson is remembered as being a horrible child, lying, snitching, beating up classmates, and stealing from them. But there was one bright spot. His aunt and uncle had an old upright piano. Charles would sit there for hours and try to pick out tunes. Apparently he had a natural ear from music, but he didn't get to cultivate his abilities for long. In 1942, Kathleen was released from prison, and eight-year-old Charles moved back in with her. Kathleen spent the next several months looking for work and a new husband. Charles spent that time skipping school and stealing from grocery stores.

5:09Eventually, Kathleen achieved one of her goals. She met a traveling salesman from Indiana named Lewis Cavendor Jr. They were married within the year. In 1943, she and Charles moved to Indianapolis with Lewis. Charles didn't see it as a fresh start though. He continued stealing, but now he wasn't just taking stuff from his classmates. Soon, he stole a bike and then a car. It got so bad that in 1947, Kathleen and Lewis sent 13-year-old Charles to the Jibalt School for Boys in Terrahode, Indiana. It was described as a refuge for wayward boys. It was his first time in a reform institution, but it certainly wouldn't be his last. Over the next several years, Charles was in and out of these reform schools. Sometimes he'd escape only to get arrested for another petty crime and get sent to a different facility. In 1949, 14-year-old Charles went to the Indiana Boys School in Plainfield.

6:12He thought it would be just like the other places, but it was even worse. According to Charles, he was repeatedly attacked and sexually assaulted. Two years later, he and two other boys escaped and stole a car. They got caught in Utah and arrested for driving a stolen vehicle across state lines. This was Manson's first federal offense, and he was sent to a juvenile correctional institution in Washington, D.C. because of it. There, the 16-year-old was examined by psychiatrists. They determined that he was illiterate, anti-social, and emotionally traumatized. His experiences made him extremely hostile to other people and violently opposed to following the rules. At the same time, he was very smart. His IQ was higher than average. The psychiatrist recommended he be transferred to a minimum security institution in Virginia. Instead of turning over a new leaf there, Charles only became more violent.

7:14In the past, Charles had been the victim. Now he was the aggressor. In 1952, the 17-year-old sexually assaulted a fellow inmate while holding a knife to the boys' throat. Over the next year, he racked up several more offenses until he was moved to a maximum security reformatory in Chilacothe, Ohio. After all that, it seemed like Charles finally realized he needed to clean up his act. He took classes in reading and math, worked on vehicle maintenance, and followed the rules. It was enough to get him out a year early on good behavior. In May 1954, the 19-year-old was released. But he wasn't free for long. Charles spent the next seven years in and out of jail for forging checks, selling stolen cars, and acting as a pimp for sex workers. In the midst of all that, he had a short-lived marriage and a child.

8:14But becoming a father didn't change Charles. By 1961, the 26-year-old was back in prison. This time at the Federal Penitentiary at McNeil Island, Washington, he'd been sent into ten years for forging a treasury check. And that's where Charles Manson really came into his own. By that point, he'd been in jail or institutionalized for most of his life, and he'd had a lot of time to reflect. Not on where he'd gone wrong, but on who had wronged him. Charles believed all of his problems stemmed from his mother and how she'd abandoned him, but he found a way to process those feelings while in prison. One of his fellow inmates was a talented musician and offered to give Charles guitar lessons. Charles wasn't very good, but he didn't care. For the first time, he felt like he'd found his calling. Charles thought that if he could become a famous musician, he'd finally get everything he wanted. Attention, praise, and maybe even a family to call his own.

9:17But this time around, he'd be the one calling the shots. Before it ever existed, the cult known as the Manson family was born in Charles's mind. So when he was released on March 21, 1967, the 32-year-old set out to make his dreams come true. Charles moved to San Francisco where he experienced the outside world for the first time in seven years, and a lot had changed. His 60s counterculture was in full swing, especially in San Francisco. Young people were experimenting with communal living, eastern philosophies, and psychedelic drugs, and Charles was desperate to be a part of it. There were certainly aspects of the movement that appealed to him, especially its focus on individuality and flouting society's rules. But the truth was, becoming a hippie was just another way for Charles to attract attention, and he dove right in. He started playing guitar for change near the University of California in Berkeley.

10:20Soon, he was preaching eccentric philosophical nonsense to pastors by. He praised the idea of communal living, encouraged the use of drugs like LSD, and tried to get people to join what he called the family. His first recruit was a 23-year-old librarian named Mary Bruner, an environmentalist with a middle-class upbringing Mary had never met anyone like Charles before. When he told her about his life story and his fraught relationship with his mother, her heart softened. She let him move into her apartment when he had nowhere else to stay. A couple of weeks later, Charles invited another young woman to move in, too. 19-year-old Lynette, who pronounces her last name, Fromey, and who Charles called Squeaky, had been kicked out of her parents' home for doing drugs. She was living on the streets of Venice Beach when she came across Charles. Within a few months, there were 18 young women packed into the tiny apartment. Nearly all of them were social outcasts who were searching for purpose.

11:23Charles promised he could give it to them. He'd honed his manipulation skills by then. He knew how to pit the women against each other and how to use their insecurities to his advantage. The huge amounts of LSD he gave them also helped. Soon, the lines between reality and fiction blurred. The family was willing to follow Charles wherever he went, and while all the women worshipped him, Mary had a special relationship with Charles. Soon, she had quit her job, become pregnant with his child, and helped the other recruits steal credit cards to fund the group's lifestyle. It seemed like everything was going according to plan, and in late 1967, Charles announced their next move. They were hitting the road. The family stole a school bus. They painted it black, replaced the seats with pillows, and made it their new home. They traveled around California. Charles played his music, begged for change, and tried to convert others to his lifestyle.

12:25Meanwhile, the rest of the family lied, cheated, and stole to make ends meet. It took a few months, but Charles got the chance he was waiting for. A friend arranged a meeting for him with an executive at Universal Studios named Gary Stromberg. Gary listened to some of the songs Manson had written in jail. They were eccentric and experimental. Even so, there was a certain magnetism about them, or at least Gary thought so. He brought on another executive named Terry Melcher, and they arranged a three-hour recording session. But Charles had never been in a studio before, and the final product was rough. Gary and Terry refused to sign him for a full deal. Charles was livid, but he wasn't giving up yet. In 1968, he and the family settled in Los Angeles, hoping to find a studio willing to sign him. The group moved into an abandoned house in an area of the city called Topanga Canyon, and that April, Mary gave birth to their son, named Valentine Michael.

13:29After a lifetime of searching, Charles Manson finally had the family he wanted, but inside a deep insecurity remained. He needed to know that his followers would do anything for him. Even murder. I'm Claire Buckley, and if your idea of relaxing is listening to seriously unsettling stories before bed, then you are going to love my podcast, Pretty Scary. From terrifying true crime, haunted ghost tales, creepy alien encounters, and anything weird, it's the stories that lead you staring at the salient afterwards questioning absolutely everything. Lock your doors, get comfy, and prepare to dive into the darkness. Just search for Pretty Scary with Claire Buckley. By mid-1968, Charles Manson and his group of loyal followers had settled down in Los Angeles.

14:29At that point, Charles's main focus was his music career, but he still craved power and control, which meant recruiting more people to his cult. Although most members were women, Charles allowed a few men to join. The first was 20-year-old Bobby Bosele, who quickly became his right-hand man. Together, he and Charles told the women what to do, where to go, and how to act. By then, Charles had completely convinced the family that he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, so he rarely got any pushback. That coupled with a steady diet of LSD, speed, and alcohol made his claims sound a lot more reasonable. The young women treated Charles like a prophet. In return, he used amateur psychology to diagnose their insecurities and childhood trauma. He told them there were hidden messages and songs by the Beatles. Most importantly, he told them the family was destined for greatness. And he saw only one way to get there, he needed to become a famous musician.

15:33To do that, he'd need to make some important connections in the industry, but he was apparently too busy to go out network. Instead, he ordered his followers to make it happen. It was a big ask, but the family pulled through. In May of 1968, two of Charles's followers were hitchhiking. The person who picked them up was none other than the drummer for the Beach Boys, Dennis Wilson. When 33-year-old Charles found out, he was ecstatic. The Beach Boys were one of the most successful bands of the era. Their 1966 album, Pet Sounds, was heavily influenced by LSD. It was exactly the kind of music that Charles wanted to make. So that same afternoon, he showed up at Dennis's house uninvited. At first, Dennis didn't know what to think. Like Charles worked his magic before long they were friends, and the family was crashing at Dennis's home. By August though, the family had overstayed their welcome.

16:34Dennis's bandmates didn't like Charles. He was dirty, unreliable, and creepy. Plus Dennis had decided that Charles wasn't cut out for the music business. And so the two parted ways. The family moved out to Spon Ranch, a dilapidated film set on the outskirts of LA. In exchange for free rent, Charles's followers did chores around the property and performed sexual favors for the owner, 80-year-old George Spawn. With a new home base, the group continued to grow. Charles attracted a dozen or so new members during this time, including 24-year-old Tex Watson. Like many of Charles's recruits, Tex was young and looking for a purpose. He'd grown up in a middle-class family, graduated from college with good grades, but questioned the normal life that was supposed to come after. So instead of following a traditional route, he became interested in the counterculture, and then one day he picked up a hitchhiker who introduced him to Charles Manson.

17:36When Tex joined, the family consisted of around 30 people, and to feed that many members, they had to commit more extreme crimes. They stole cars, credit cards, and dealt drugs. In addition, Charles convinced many of the young women to become sex workers. But no matter how much they brought in, it was never enough, and Charles knew getting involved in so many criminal ventures was bound to come back to bite them. The day of reckoning finally came on July 1, 1969, when Tex Watson stole money from a dealer named Bernard Crow. In other words, Bernard called the ranch and threatened to kill everyone there, unless he got his money back. Charles drove to Bernard's apartment where the two of them got into a heated argument. It ended when Charles shot Bernard in the stomach. Charles fled the scene, believing he'd killed Bernard. In reality, Bernard was still very much alive, but when Charles was watching the news that

18:36night, he learned the police had discovered the body of a black panther. The panthers were a left-wing black power organization, and for some reason, Charles believed Bernard was a member, and that he'd just murdered him. Charles was wrong on both counts, but in his mind, his plan was falling into place. This whole time he'd been telling his followers that a race war was coming. According to Charles, this war would cleanse humanity, only he and his followers would survive, because he knew of a secret place, a hole in the desert that led to the center of the earth. He would lead the family there, and when the fighting ended, they would rise and become rulers of the world. In Charles's eyes, Bernard's supposed death was the first step to creating this utopia, but first, they needed to win the war. The next battle came later that month, on July 25th. That was when Charles's right-hand man, Bobby Bosele, bought some masculine from a PhD student

19:41named Gary Hinman. After some people at the ranch complained that the drugs were bad, Bobby confronted Gary about it. They got into a fight that left both of them with injuries. When Charles heard what happened, he showed up at Gary's house in Topanga Canyon, and attacked him with a Confederate army sword. He slashed Gary's face before fleeing the scene, but Bobby was still there, and he knew Gary desperately needed medical attention. He patched him up the best he could and spent the next three days debating what to do next. Eventually, Bobby felt he had no way out. The second he let Gary out of his sight, he was sure Gary would call the cops, so Bobby decided to stab him to death. Ty on drugs, adrenaline, and Charles's deranged ideology, Bobby panicked. He staged the crime scene to deflect suspicion, using Gary's blood to write political piggy on the wall. Then he drew a paw print symbol.

20:43He hoped this would make the police think Gary's killer was a black panther, but the authorities weren't fooled for long. A few days later on August 6th, they arrested Bobby for stealing a car. When they searched his vehicle, they found the blood-stained knife that had been used to kill Gary. Bobby claimed he witnessed two black men kill Gary in a drug deal gone wrong. The officers didn't buy his story. Bobby was locked up on a murder charge that same night. When Charles learned what had happened, he was furious. He considered the members of the family to be his possessions, not the states. So he ordered the group to get Bobby out of jail. To do that, they would commit a spree of copycat crimes that resembled the murder of Gary Hinman. They hoped that would be enough to convince the authorities they had the wrong guy. On August 8th, two days after Bobby's arrest, Charles sent four of his followers to 1-0-0-0-5-0-0-CLO-Drive in Los Angeles.

21:44Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, Linda Kasebian, and Patricia Crenwinkel. Charles thought the home belonged to Terry Melchur, the music executive who'd refused to give him a record deal. Charles had been planning his revenge on Terry, and he ordered his followers to kill everyone inside as gruesomely as possible. Tex, Susan, Linda, and Patricia arrived sometime after midnight. First, Tex shimmied up a telephone pole and used a knife to cut the phone lines. Then the group climbed over the gate. As they did, a car pulled up outside. The family hid in the bushes. As someone pulled in and opened the driver's side door, it was an 18-year-old friend of the groundskeeper named Stephen Parent. Tex emerged from the bushes and fired four bullets into his chest, killing him. Then he pushed Stephen's body to the side, got in the car, and drove everyone up the driveway. The family broke into the home by breaking a window.

22:46Before anyone inside could react, Tex charged into the living room, but he didn't find Terry Melchur there. Turns out, Terry had moved to Malibu months earlier. Instead, the house was being rented to director Roman Polanski and his wife, actress Sharon Tate. On August 8, 26-year-old Sharon was eight-and-a-half months pregnant, and Roman was in Europe shooting a movie. While he was gone, Sharon had friends living with her. An aspiring screenwriter, 32-year-old Voichek Freikowski, and his 25-year-old girlfriend, the coffee-eris Abigail Folcher. A 35-year-old hair stylist named Jay Sebring was also at the house that night. The change in targets didn't make a difference to Tex. He found Voichek in the living room first and held him at gunpoint. Meanwhile, Susan and Patricia split up to look in the bedrooms. Linda stayed by the door as a lookout. A few minutes later, Jay, Abigail, and Sharon were all led into the living room and tied

23:49up. While Jay was being restrained, he complained about the rough treatment. In response, Tex shot him dead. As he fell onto the carpet bleeding, Sharon started to panic. Abigail Folcher, on the other hand, stayed calm. She offered the group money and led one of the family members to her wallet in the bedroom. There was only $70 inside, not nearly enough to appease Tex. Tex told the remaining hostages they were all going to die. When Voichek heard that, he tried to fight back. Voichek overpowered Susan, even after she stabbed him repeatedly in the legs. Voichek didn't stop until Tex leapt on top of him and beat him unconscious with the butt of his gun. In the chaos, Abigail got loose and ran into the backyard. Patricia caught up with her before she could get to the fence. Patricia and Tex stabbed Abigail to death outside. Then Tex went back inside and killed Voichek.

24:51That left Sharon Tate. She begged them to let her live, at least until she had her baby. But the family had no remorse. They were only loyal to Charles Manson. Tex stabbed her like the others. Next it was time to stage the crime scene. They wanted to make it look like the same killer who murdered Gary Hinman. Susan wrote the word pig on the front door in Voichek's blood. As adrenaline and drugs surged through the family's veins, they made their way back outside and hopped in the car. Linda drove them back to the ranch where they told Charles what they'd done. Step 1 was complete, but their mission wasn't finished yet. On the morning of August 9, 1969, the bodies of Sharon Tate and four others were found at her home.

25:52The news plunged the city of Los Angeles into chaos, but the police struggled to understand the motive. The authorities thought maybe it was a crazed fan or a drug deal gone wrong. Meanwhile, 34-year-old Charles Manson was riding high. He was loving all the attention the murders were getting. There was just one problem. The police hadn't drawn a connection between the Tate murders and the death of Gary Hinman, at least not publicly. If the race war Charles had predicted was going to ignite, the world had to believe the black panthers were responsible for all of the killings. Which meant the family had to strike again. Early the next morning, at around 3am on August 10, Charles and six of his followers made their next move. He'd brought along the four people who had participated in the Tate murders. Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, Linda Kasebian and Patricia Crenlinkle. But now he'd added two others, Leslie Van Houghton and Stephen Grogon.

26:54The seven of them drove to the Los Angeles home of a grocery store executive, 44-year-old Lino La Bianca and his wife, 39-year-old Rosemary. Charles knew the area because he'd attended a party next door earlier that year. More importantly, he knew the La Bianca's were wealthy. They could kill two birds with one stone, get people talking about a Gary Hinman copycat, and score some quick cash. The Indian Tex went into the house first where they tied Lino and Rosemary up. Then they went back outside to get Leslie and Patricia. After that, Charles drove off with Linda, Steve and Susan. Meanwhile, Tex, Leslie and Patricia were left to commit the murders. The three of them robbed Lino and Rosemary, then stabbed into death with a bayonet. Tex carved the word war into Lino's abdomen before going upstairs to take a shower. While he did that, Patricia wrote rise and death to pigs on the walls in blood.

27:57Afterward, she stabbed the dead bodies with a carving fork which she left in Lino's stomach. It was all part of Charles's plan to pin the murders on the Black Panthers, but he also reveled in the horror his followers had caused. Maybe that's why he wanted to keep going. While the La Bianca's were slowly bleeding out, Charles drove his three other followers to the apartment of an actor named Saladin Nader near Venice Beach. He ordered them to kill Saladin, then hitchhike back to spawn ranch. To this day, it's not clear why Charles targeted Saladin. He may have brush shoulders with him at a Hollywood party, or maybe he just chose someone whose death would make headlines. Either way, by that point, Linda was having serious second thoughts. When she first joined Charles's cult, Linda was lost and looking for greater meaning. She thought she'd found it in the family, but then Charles forced her to participate in the tape murders.

28:58Linda was horrified by the senseless violence. She'd considered leaving the group then and there, but she had an infant daughter back at spawn ranch. Linda was worried that Charles would hurt her if she tried to walk away, so she did as Charles asked and accompanied him to the La Bianca's home. Now, she and the others were at Saladin Nader's apartment, but this time, Linda refused to go through with another murder. So to avoid killing him, she deliberately knocked on the wrong apartment door and woke up his neighbor. The thought of a witness seeing them spooked the rest of the group. They decided to call the whole thing off and head back to spawn ranch. When they arrived, Charles was disappointed to hear Saladin was still alive, but he was more than satisfied with the brutality of the La Bianca murders. At around 1030 that night, Rosemary's 15-year-old son found the bodies of his mother and stepfather. He immediately called the police, and after seeing the crime scene, the authorities started

30:01to wonder, maybe there was a connection between the La Bianca, Tate and Gary Hinman murders. That was exactly what Charles Manson had wanted all along, and the revelations seemed to make him even more confident. Back at spawn ranch, Charles's preachings were becoming more apocalyptic. He announced that it was time for the group to find a bottomless pit hidden somewhere in Death Valley. There he claimed the family could lie low until a World War vanquished civilization. When the smoke cleared, he promised the family would return to the surface world to rule as kings and queens. But that obviously didn't happen. Charles and his family spent over a month cruising around the desert and stolen cars and dunebuggies, searching fruitlessly for the entrance to this fabled underground city. But their new age lifestyle wasn't well received outside of LA. However, by residence, complained to the police about a group of rowdy, thieving, drug-using

31:05hippies. And on October 12, 1969, two months after the murders, Charles and over 20 of his followers were arrested for car theft in Inno County, California. That's when the police started to connect the dots. Bobby Bosele had already been arrested for Gary Hinman's murder. After questioning, several of Charles's followers admitted that Gary was just one piece of the puzzle. They explained that the group was also behind the Tate and Lobbyonka murders. They also made it clear that they were acting on the orders of Charles Manson. But authorities would need more if they wanted to prosecute Charles. Luckily, one former member was ready to talk. After the Lobbyonka killings, Linda Kesebian had fled to her family in New Hampshire, but she'd seen the news. She knew Charles and the others were in custody and figured it was just a matter of time until the police came for her, too. So she decided to turn herself in.

32:08By December of 1969, Linda had agreed to testify against Charles and his accomplices. She would prove to be a star witness when the trial began in June 1970. In court, she helped the prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi focus on Charles' apocalyptic beliefs. He said the crimes were part of a grand conspiracy, one based on a philosophy that Charles called Helter Skelter after a Beatles song of the same name. Vincent told the court that Charles believed an apocalyptic race war would soon break out. When the smoke cleared, the Manson family would emerge from their hiding place in Death Valley and take over the world. Vincent argued that Charles ordered the Tate and Lobbyonka murders and framed the black panthers to kickstart this war. Patricia and Susan adamantly denied this theory. They claimed that Charles Manson had rambled at times about a race war, a bottomless pit, and secret messages being sent to him through music. But they insisted this was not the central focus of his preachings.

33:12He mostly spoke about the value of individuality, living without rules, and taking copious amounts of psychedelic drugs. As for his attachment to the song Helter Skelter, Charles claimed it only meant chaos or confusion to him. It had nothing to do with his prophecies about the apocalypse. Charles himself insisted the murders were done to deflect suspicion from Bobby Bosele. None of this exonerated the family, but it undercut the prosecution's attempts to make them look like a crazed cult. I definitely don't think I believe anything Charles Manson says. But I'd love to know what you all think. Is Vincent Bugliosi right? Was Helter Skelter always the main goal or was the Manson family really trying to get Bobby out of jail? Let us know what you think in the comments. Whatever their real motives, Vincent Bugliosi's arguments were effective.

34:13In January 25, 1971, Charles Manson, Susan Atkins, Leslie Van Houghton, and Patricia Crenlinkel were found guilty of murder. They were sentenced to death, which was commuted to life in prison in 1972, after California temporarily banned capital punishment. Meanwhile, Tex Watson wasn't tried until August of 1971. He attempted to plead insanity, but in the end he was given the same sentence as the others. Since then, Charles Manson's legacy has only grown. He became the prototype of a cult leader, an unhinged, remorseless ruler who controlled his followers like puppets. Even after he was locked in jail, he frequently stayed in the news with attention-seeking stunts like carving a swastika into his own forehead. This behavior lasted until 2017, when he died in prison of a heart attack at age 83.

35:13As for his family, not much remained. In 2009, Susan Atkins passed away in prison at 61. Tex Watson, Patricia Crenlinkel, and Bobby Bosele are still locked up. Only 75-year-old Leslie Van Houghton ever walked free. She was led out on parole in 2023. As their convictions, all of the family members have distanced themselves from Manson and expressed remorse for their crimes. Decades later, Manson's impact is hard to overstate. Not only did the Tatla Bianca murders put an abrupt end to the counterculture movement of the 1960s, but they also set the stage for what was to come. In many ways, the satanic panic of the 80s and 90s was a reaction to cults like the Manson family. And while they were unique in their level of violence, there are plenty of other groups that emphasize the apocalypse as a way to lure recruits.

36:15In cult watch this week, I'm highlighting a group called the Shinchonji Church of Jesus. Shinchonji was founded in South Korea by a man named Lee Mann-hee. It claims to be the one true religion whose leader will shepherd the chosen into heaven upon the second coming of Jesus Christ. Since its inception, the church has been accused of infiltrating Christian churches to try and secretly convert members. Recently, they've been targeting low-income pastors in parts of Africa by offering free Bible studies. Once new recruits have been indoctrinated, they're reportedly encouraged to cut off their loved ones, donate money to the church, and isolate themselves from the outside world. These practices have led to widespread public outcry, like Charles Manson. Shinchonji has been accused of manipulating vulnerable people with stories of an impending apocalypse. Speaking out against this kind of rhetoric can protect unsuspecting people from falling under their influence, and hopefully prevent another Manson family from coming to life.

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