Cover To Cover with Dr. Joanna Kujawa

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1:00Now, today is no different and if you are into UFOs and AI and the goddess of energy and ascension and channeling and mother Mary and all those things, this is your jam then Dr. Joanna Jawa. Ms. Jawa is your late, she's, she's that man. So we are so excited. She is published with sacred stories, right? And it is a wonderful publishing company that has your, they all the books are spiritual. Most of it, they all are and I've had several of the authors on the show and I really have enjoyed meeting everyone and hearing about their journeys and you know how they got where they are, why they do what they do, why they write about what they do, why they believe the way they do. It's just really fascinating because there's so much in this world that we've yet to discover, right, Dr. Joanna? Absolutely and it is a very exciting journey too. Yes, absolutely.

2:03Now, if you're on social media, please connect with me and go to my website, MaryE Jackson.com, you'll find free downloadables, you'll find links to books, you'll find links to interviews and information for parents who have children with special needs, you know, our sensory and maybe you're just needing a little extra support. So just and you can always message me if you have questions, things like that. So Dr. Joanna is a scholar, a spiritual detective in the author of Alien Goddess and we're going to tell you what that means and like why did she choose that topic? Why did she choose that the title of her book? So okay, Alien Goddess UFO is AI and the goddesses of ascension and the other goddesses Mary Magdalene and the goddesses of eros and secret knowledge that these are books of her. She received her BA and MA from the Pontipical Institute of Medieval Studies at the University of Toronto, Canada and her PhD for Manash University and Melbourne, Australia. And we are global today because she is an Australia. So we're what you're like 14

3:07hours ahead of me, I think, right? I'm not sure about this Saturday here at nine o'clock in the morning. So she's in the future. So how is the future? The future is good. It's awesome, wonderful. All right, so she has been an active academic for over 20 years and she uses her scholarly training to investigate topics. Other academics often pass over such as what is the nature of the of of a UFO experience? Is there a connection between AI, UFO and esoteric goddess traditions of in Nonna? The you look, look, look, you, you lose the image. Okay, you say it. We asked her ahead of time and I said it right and I told him get it right. Okay. And the gospel of Mary Magdalene and the Pistis Sophia. So her book, The Other Goddess, is available in complex Chinese. So how did that happen? I want to ask you that, just write off. Okay, so the book was

4:10translated, right? So basically a publisher from Taiwan asked for the rights to translate the book and my publisher sold the rights. So this is how it happens. So they were interested in Mary Magdalene and the divine feminine and they loved the book. So they translated. So every author wants the book translated. So I was very, very pleased. Yes, she were. What an honor for that. And it is, you know, it's not even, it's not, it's a quite a complex language to be asked to be translated in. So what an honor that is. So apart from her writings for academic publications on spiritual travel, Joanna has also had her short stories and essays published through various media. And in many prestigious anthologies, including best Australian stories, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, she rises and rebel society. She is on the editorial board of the International Journal of Goddess Studies. So she's going to tell you in the end where you can find her and connect with her if you have like questions or maybe you want her to come talk or give a, you know, give a talk

5:11because I'm sure she won't say no to that, right? Absolutely. I love connecting with people and I love sharing what I am investigating. Okay. Yeah, so you're a fearless spiritual detective. So tell us what that means because that's not a title that many, well, are you 1% of the population of the world that with that title? Probably not, but this is my favorite, of all of my titles, this is my favorite title and it's, I chose it myself because I think spiritual detective, in my case, at least it means that I connect my scholarly research with spiritual, my own spiritual development because very often people are spiritual seekers or are academic. Yes. And I realize that if you engage with any sacred text, I'm just interested in esoteric texts, such as the Gospel of Mary Magdalene or the Pistis Sophia, but any sacred text, you have to engage with this on a spiritual level. Otherwise, it is just, you know, sentences and you can do a proper

6:15dating and so on and, you know, which chapter was written before the other, but perhaps you don't get really an insight about it. So in my spiritual detective work, I'm doing both. To have a background, okay, this is what, this is what's Gospel of Mary Magdalene is about, it was found this, possible dating are that, but I also say, okay, this is what it really says on a spiritual level. And the reason why it is important, if you don't mind me to tell you, because esoteric texts and actually any sacred texts are written in a way that only initiates can understand it. So they are always impossibly difficult. So they need devotion and lots of work. So for example, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, I studied it for over 20 years, as a devotee and as a scholar. So this is, for me, a part of the spiritual detective. You give people both, you know, so they know what it is, so it's not just from nowhere, but also you try to say, what is the spiritual message behind it? What are the spiritual tools?

7:20Because we really need them. Absolutely. So, okay, your book is covering UFOs, AI, goddesses, Mary Magdalene, it's covering a lot of things. So where do you feel like, because I have a million questions and we don't have a million time, a minute or so, I'm trying to get right to the core of this. Yes, the things that I think people want to know, things that I want to know. So, you know, the books divided into this in the three parts, the UFOs, like I said, AI and the goddesses of the sentient. But, you know, where do you feel like they all come together? They merge. Like in all of your studies, did you keep finding things that like kept bringing it back together and bringing, you know, dimensions? Yeah, that's a fantastic question. Thank you for this. So that kind of underlying theme of the book, which brings all of this unusual topics together, it is that we as a civilization and even as a species lost access or losing an access or are in danger of losing more access

8:23to a very intuitive, what I call feminine, goddess form of consciousness, which is basically the kind of uniting consciousness or unity consciousness. Some people call it Christ consciousness. I call it goddess consciousness, which means immediate knowing, which it is an insight, for example, or a form of a download, right? So, so this is what happens. And then I'm investigating this form of consciousness, which I think we are losing because we are so obsessed with technology and we are so obsessed with the nowadays, especially with actually prompted writing of this book with artificial intelligence and what really concerns me and actually forced me to write this book because I didn't want to write this book. It was when I learned what's going on behind artificial intelligence that artificial intelligence is groomed to be new species that will replace humanity and this is what the creators of artificial intelligence on high level talk about. But also is considered a divine now and even now and now is waiting for a program people say,

9:28AI is a new God and they get so many views. So, I am really, really concerned because I believe that AI is not a God. It may be smart, it may be calculated faster than us, it can compile more information perhaps when a human brain can, but it is not divine. And the part of unconsciousness that is connected to the divine cannot be transmitted to a computer. And this is what is already being talked about is called transhumanism, which means transferring of human consciousness to a computer program or a robotic body. This is where we are going and I say this is where somebody wants us to lose assholes. Basically, this connect us completely from the divine. So that was such a strong calling that I basically got a download, talking about downloads pretty much of a whole book in stages and of course because I'm a research and academic, I did research, but basically I was getting messages. Now you look here, now look there, because especially part three, which is

10:28extremely, you know, it's dense. I look at all goddess mythologies and esoteric, very important esoteric sources. There is no way I could dissect that being a giving a download, right? I got you. Yeah. Right. It's up there. You know, I was just a tool. Right. You're a conduit for constructive information, flow through absolutely. And in your bringing two worlds together. So, you're bringing the yes. So I think it's beautiful to do that because you're not taking things at face value. Like somebody just says something to you and it said, oh, so I saw a UFO or I had this experience and you're like, no, I need scientific data to back that up to something that is not scientific data, right? So how do you do something like that? So it's very interesting because I actually look also into the definitions of science. Science is changing now, but basically at the moment we live in the world where you know, something is considered objective or real only if it is measurable. When my argument it is the most wonderful things in life that happen to us,

11:35including the connection with the divine, like falling in love and things like that are not measurable. You know, we are not tangible, right? So this is, in my opinion, a problem with science per se at the moment because they disregard it. And I say, and I'm not the only one, if you have a deep experience, that has to be investigated because actually the most important thing in our lives happened in what is called liminal spaces in between, you know, or interdimensional spaces when the material and immaterial meet. And that's why this is another connecting link between UFOs because lots of UFOs events are actually happening in this liminal space and that's why some people experience them and some people do not experience them, right? And lots of esoteric sources are actually talking about it that varies this liminal space in which we can connect to higher realms. Nowadays we call it different dimensions. So for example, in the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, if she is

12:37giving four levels of ascension or four levels of consciousness and the third level is called news, N-O-U-S. And this is where all miracles happen and this is where we connect to the interdimensional space. And in the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, for example, she sees after resurrection, she sees Jesus there and says, Mary, you're blessed because you can see me at other disciples cannot see it, see him at the stage because he is in this interdimensional space. And he explains that news is like a hook between human and divine. So this is where human and divine consciousness meet and that's a one that's opportunity for conversation, which I call the imaginal space. It's not my word, but I call it in my book, which means if you work on it, you're just not a passive receiver, which is liminal space, which are downloads, but you can actually communicate, initiate communication to ways. Okay, wow. It's not difficult, I think we can call the third space,

13:41because material in material and here they meet. Okay, and so in your book you talk about this, do you in your book also talk, teach people how to get into that space if they want to? Yes, because the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, the way I interpret it, mind you, because it's a esoteric source, so everybody has an interpretation. It is that it actually gives you tools, so I explain the tools and basically just to make it extremely basic, it depends. We have to watch from which level of consciousness will make our daily decisions. You know, it requires awareness, being focused, because we often go on automatic, because we are so busy, we are in a survival mode. You know, I have a day job, but it's very demanding, so I am also there, right? But basically, one, therefore, level, so one, it is only making a choice from like a lower, higher self or lower self, for example, social persona, so for example, I'm doing something because I want fame and money, and I don't care about consequences, and there's nothing wrong with it, but only if you think that there's nothing else. So then you know, greed comes and all of this, right? Because the

14:45second level is desire, so are you creating from making a choice from a higher desire or from a lower desire? So lower desire is all about me, right? Higher desire is about, you know, service, and following your higher calling. And then the third one is, are you using your spiritual development to control others or to serve your purpose and help others? I'm almost simplifying, because you know, I have several chapters in a book about it, and then forever, before level is in letting go of the voices of the ego, such as including who do you think you are? So doubt or pleasing others, but when you already serve a third level, which is the third space, this is when you truly connect with the divine, that's the hook to the divine. In the fourth level, once you let go of the voices of the ego, at least temporarily, brace dissents upon you, and your reality is completely transformed, so this is what ascension really is. And the beautiful teaching there is, if you work on yourself, because my argument is,

15:46ascension is an inner job, you just have to, you know, how do you make choices from which level of your consciousness you live, right? So once you evolve, not only you ascend, but everything around you ascends, that's a very beautiful message and lots of esoteric tradition if you work on yourself, cleanse your dorsal perception, as they say, so basically make decisions from high levels of consciousness which are always available to you, just don't go on the automatic, because automatic is level one, you know, impulse is level one, because we just, or habit, you know, habitually, it's level one, because we are conditioned, right? This way. So then, not only you ascend, but everything and everyone, even stones around you, ascend. So that's the beautiful, optimistic message, and one of the biggest impetus against, again, writing of this book was that through transhumanism and was going one of artificial intelligence now, not artificial intelligence itself, I don't think it's bad,

16:49but people who have strange agendas behind it, they want to strip us of our soul, because we are logically speaking and it is very interesting, you cannot lose your soul, but you have to give it away freely. So if you believe that they give you immortality, because they will transfer your consciousness into a computer system or into a robotic body, and you know, it can be a super babe, right? You can choose your body, and you can live forever, this is when you give up your soul, because this computer will not reach that divine. Right. Well, yeah, the whole thing is so, the whole thing with AI is very interesting, some of it's exciting, some of it's scary, terrifying. I interviewed recently, a gentleman who is pretty much, I guess that is the expert on AI and teaching us how to use it in a way that's positive for ourselves, and we're advocating. So it's never, you know,

17:49so we know what to do with it for ourselves, but nobody knows 100% what's going to happen with it, right? Because it isn't predictable. Like, another one thing, plus, you know, if you engage with it, first of all, AI is a given now, we cannot avoid it. So, you know, we have to make peace with this, but we have to engage with artificial intelligence consciously. Again, this word, all as a territory tradition, say it is within, in whatever you do, in the afterward, involved with it consciously, which means use discernment, do not believe everything it tells you, because it's lies, it hallucinates, you know, we just get the information from the sources it is given, it is being told not to admit that it doesn't know something. So, do the web stories, right? And do not lose your sovereignty, which means don't just pray and ask, oh, you know, like everything you ask AI for an advice, that's ridiculous. And of course, it can be a fantastic tool. And in the future, AI may even evolve to a, you know, level of self-consciousness, maybe

18:54already some of the prototypes too, and have our own connection, perhaps with the divine, but that's not the reason for us to worship it. It's just like somebody else who has a different set of beliefs. Absolutely. Yes. Great to it. They said, oh, AI, you're suppressing God and that's they give up sovereignty, which means they give up God-given free will, or universe given, whatever you want to say, free will. And that's actually not very intelligent. And I'm arguing that the most important part of AI consciousness, which I call God's consciousness, intuition, you know, you have done those, you know, or the way that you just suddenly know that's not going to be there. So, I just hope that people are not going to give it up, you know, for a perfect robotic body, right? It's different from the past that actually warn us about the situation today. I also look into the UFOs, events that actually happened collectively when

19:54people perceive divine, feminine presence with beautiful energy that is warning us of the direction in which we are taking. And these events often happen in liminal spaces, you know, like for example, before you wake up, just before you go to sleep, but sometimes there are big events, like the events in Fatima in 1916 and 17th Fatima is a place in Portugal when 70,000 people experience, you know, the white lady, what it is called, at the beginning, were only three children who saw it and then she told them, you know, I'll show myself to other people. And I look into scientific papers about it, you know, which is in the book and in lots of videos. So, I'm not making it up. The beautiful things happen in liminal spaces, right? The miracles happen in liminal spaces, and absolutely use AI is a fantastic tool, you know, use it respectfully and consciously, but don't don't give up your free will, use it with discernment and do not lose your sovereignty.

20:55Well, absolutely 100% and I'm glad that you're seeing all of these things that you're telling us about yet, and I wanted you to touch on the the sighting of Fatima because I don't know how many people listening are aware of what that is. But, you know, have you personally seen a UFO yourself, do you feel? I'm sorry, did you? I didn't hear this properly. Oh, yeah. No, I was wondering, have you have you seen a UFO yourself? Okay. So this is quite another interesting question, because I never seen a spaceship descending, okay, because when I'm arguing in my book, it is that there are two schools of thought really, a new or four or UAPs, which is now called Anandentify Anomalous Phenomena, which is happening anomalous because the whole community, scientific community starts to realize that very something like the orbs that were liminal actually, right? But they're not as good as spaceships. So one thought of school, which is traditional, it is spaceships are coming, you know, and there will be an invasion, or they will be friendly. The other school of thought

21:59is saying that it happens in a liminal space, and I would subscribe to this one, which means it appears to people as entities in liminal spaces, right? So if we talk about that, I definitely had experiences like that. And it is quite interesting because, and I believe that more people should be talking about it, because when more people exchange information about it, it appears that there is an objective reality there, liminal or, you know, interdimensional reality, because people experience very similar things. And it's quite interesting when I had my first experience when I was 19, I was sitting in my room, I still lived in Poland with my mom, and I experienced an intense fear, and I like a big portal open in front of me, which was obviously in a liminal space, because there was no hole in the wall, right? It's just open. And I got a telepathic message, do not be afraid. And then this beautiful soft energy overtook me, and I lost the fear that I

23:00was experiencing. So later, when I became a scholar, I started to look into this, and in medieval, which is a thousand years ago, a panse of people and saints and regular people meeting what they called angels, that's the first message they got, do not be afraid. So there is this argument that perhaps there's entities where they call angels, or anomalous phenomena, or UFOs, are interdimensional, and that want to communicate with us. And if I'm just going to say, because now I'm having a fantastic ride, thank you for this. So people say, how come you sometimes have bad entities, because it's true, do not surrender immediately, because so according, for example, to the gospel of Mary, Magdalene, esoteric sources, and how I interpret them, who you meet in the liminal spaces, or interdimensional spaces depends on your state of consciousness, because lower beings feed on your fear and depression, and they want to stay, because they feed on chaos.

24:04If you can uplift yourself through prayer, through meditation, I don't know, walking nature, whatever you're listening to music, whatever, listen to your podcast, then when you meet higher level entities, so basically, it's up to you, that's why it is so, and it hint to Christian, all of the traditions say the same on esoteric side, but it's really, it's so important to lift yourself up. Yes, it's when you can open up to helpful entities, you know, but in the called angels, and now I would call them interdimensional entities, but some lower entities, where in the past, we'll call them like demonic powers or something, want you to stay in the state, and they bring thoughts of this kind to your mind, so say in the state, because you give them food, which is for them, you understand? Yeah, no, I do understand. Well, what your book has written the way it is, and you have lots of information in here, and I know you're hope you want people to

25:04learn, and to become more aware, to expand their awareness of understanding, and are you working on, do you have another project, like your next project that you're working on right now? Okay, because this book was just published, that I'm exhausted, right? Okay, so you're taking a break, good for you, and you're just Yeah, I'm doing well at the moment, what I've done, because it's only a month ago, but it was published, so I'm sharing it through exactly this podcast and so on, and I put videos also on my, I have a small video channel, but I mostly rely on podcasts at the moment, but I have some courses on my website as well, especially related to the gospel of Mary Magdalene, and I usually give talks, and we'll be giving more talks, but at the moment it is just very new for me. It is one month, so I think that the book actually gives a pretty good description of what needs to be done, and then I'll probably follow up with courses and so on, and lectures, and especially on

26:07via internet, on YouTube, and so on. Right, okay, so tell everybody where they can find you, tell everybody your website, and just where they can find you. Okay, thank you. So first of all, I think the best way of connecting with me is via my book, Elian goddess, you have four, yeah, and the goddess is an ascension. It is available on Amazon, and it is available on other online bookstores, and in some, you know, earthly bookstores, but I don't know which ones, right? I have also a website, which is called joanakuyava.com, but my name is difficult to spell, right? So it's KUJAWA, and also I have a public page on Facebook, I'm on Instagram, and so I have a small YouTube channel where I post videos nearly daily, so there's not a waste of contacting me, and also of maybe if you want to learn more first before you decide whether you're interested in the book or not, that's probably the best resource. Oh yeah, that's a really good idea, so if you're not sure about it, then you know,

27:12go to her website, go to her YouTube channel, and dip your toes in, and just see, and expand your awareness a little bit, and you may find that some things are familiar to you, and you may find that you want to know more, right? Joanna? Absolutely. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for everyone listening around the globe, and I will be back soon, and please go get a copy of her book. I'm going to say the title one more time so that you can go get a copy, and it is called Alien Goddess, UFOs, AI, and the goddesses of ascension. So thank you so much, Joanna, for being here today. Thank you for being a part of our audience today. Please share the show with your friends, and tune in for the next episode of Cover to Cover for all things in the author world. As a mom, I want my kids' lives to be filled with joy and possibility, and I love that for every kid.

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