CORY MORGAN SHOW: Poilievre shouldn’t take Alberta’s support for granted

0:00upbeat music Good day. Welcome to the Corey Morgan show as we make our way into September. Good to see a few folks already making comments in the comments. I like this being live means we can be a bit interactive Angela North run greater Louis and David all checking in there and offering some comments on Yeah, well for the most part on Pierre Paul. I'm gonna speak of in a bit here and of the federal party in a little while as well as a guest. I can have Jeff Knight on it'll be his first time on He's been our reporter in Ontario and Queens Park. Yes, the poor man has to watch or Doug Ford at a regular basis and try make sense or whatever the hell he's doing

1:04Should be a great conversation. He's been putting a lot of great stuff out from that Eastern perspective So be sure to use that comments growl discuss things with each other I don't necessarily read all the comments out But I do read them all and just keeps things flowing along. So getting to what I entitled this about I mean, this is one of the problems actually a shortcoming of Alberta. I don't like talking about those off But Alberta is political Achilles heel federally is our electoral predictability Well, provincially the situation has been volatile leading from progressive conservatives to NDP to UCP in the span of a decade The purpose is always given a strong majority of its seats to whatever the conservative party in the day is federally And that tendency is led to Alberta being taken for granted by federal parties The Liberals don't pay much attention to Alberta because the likelihood of gaining seats here is pretty slim But Albertans tend to punch above their weight within the conservative party of Canada because the province is always served as a fundraising hub for the federal party and an incubator for conservative politicos from candidates to strategists When the federal campaign comes though, Alberta's quickly forgotten is the federal entity starts to try to win the electoral love in Laurentian Canada

2:12You know what it isn't even personal. It's just math. No federal party can win guffrey We aren't in the middle of a federal campaign right now but we're seeing a great example of the federal dynamic in conservative politics as the CPC has kicked off its conservatives for Canada campaign This campaign ostensibly is to reach out to Albertans and tell them why the federation is just spiffy and they should set aside notions of the state of the country If online reactions to the campaign kickoff or any indication the response from conservative Albertans to polyabs overtures is flat at best Albertans are sick of federal politicians telling them what they're supposed to think and that includes politicians from the conservative side of the aisle The CPC knows their campaign won't make much difference in the voting intentions in Alberta in the referendum The campaign isn't targeting Albertans. It's targeting Eastern voters. It's polyabs way of trying to distance his party from the sovrentists who like it or not are dominating the conservative membership in Alberta

3:21just as they dominate the united conservative party provincially. He's trying to assure Eastern voters that if he were ever to become prime minister he wouldn't act to change the federal status quo on behalf of his western support base Polyabs said earlier this summer that all conservatives will be campaigning for Canadian unity in Alberta. Many members of polyabs caucus have kept their campaigning rather silent actually through the summer if they did so at all While voters from above maybe pressuring them to wrap themselves in the Canadian flag orders from the membership of telling them Albertans have had enough The CPC unity campaign began with some CPC MPs posting canned statements about their indivisible federalism on acts and other social media spots but it wasn't terribly well received Beyond that a website for conservatives for Canada was launched and MP Dane Lloyd was named the point person for the unity campaign At present the site offers a little more than a copy of a press release from Lloyd and a strong plea for donations of course While it's politically understandable why the CPC must campaign to win Eastern Canadian voters it should also be understood that alienating the western voter base doesn't come without potential consequences

4:27The federal progressive conservatives under defen baker won every single seat in Alberta in 1958 and the progressive conservatives had a solid lock on Alberta support for decades It seemed as if the PCs would maintain their hold upon Albertan voters forever until they didn't Mulroney dislodged the liberal government in 1984 and his government was strongly supported in Alberta When it quickly became clear though that Albertans had just switched from a liberal government focused on Eastern Canadian needs to a conservative government focused on Eastern Canadian needs the reform party was born It took two election cycles but the reform party wiped the progressive conservative party off the western Canadian map federally forever There were many other factors that led to the collapse of the federal progressive conservatives after Mulroney's time But taking the support of western Canadian conservative minded voters for granted was one of them When the reform party was ascendent the usual lines about votes splitting were to be heard and it was said that a liberal victory be assured of the west went reform and indeed it turned out to be true Crutch ends liberals won three straight majorities was gotta be understood though is that when the federal liberals and conservatives become indistinguishable from each other western voters will shun them both

5:32The burdens would rather have opposition MPs who could speak for their province than alleged conservative ones in a government that's gagged and beholden to Eastern leadership Nobody expects the conservative MPs to come out and support of option two on question 10 on October 19th The CPC is a federal party and its members have no mandate to dip into such a divisive local issue They shouldn't have waited in with a full-throated campaign in favor of option one on the question either though It's a provincial referendum and having a federal party meddling in the affair want to impress the Alberta voter base Paulie has the risk of pissing off Alberta conservatives is worth it if he can signal his party's commitment to federalism to Eastern Canada effectively You'd be well served to remember how quickly the reform party rose and what it did to the federal progressive conservatives in Alberta October 20th there's going to be a lot of engaged activists and voters looking for another project to protect Alberta's interests And it could come in the form of a new federal party careful pair All right well that's what's got me going today that came up better that is much better than last one That's I gotta go back to writing him over two days not blasting it up six in the morning

6:32Exactly Lesson learned way way way better so you just tell me you've had a B Exodus I did tragedy what happened they call it Obscending one of my hives Well I'd said before I had done a harvest a few weeks ago and that hive went really hot They went crabby and they were attacking me whenever I come close it for days and And suddenly activity just started getting lower and lower with it and finally I checked on it fully yesterday I left the lead gone All the bees were gone the only activity was other bees coming in stealing the remaining honey and everything out of there So how many bees would be in there? Probably would have been 40 or 50,000 Oh really? Zero now So where do they go? I don't know Well go their separate ways or never had the traveling issue no they go travel as a swoon They're going to swarm and I guess typically when this happens this late in the season in fall I mean their chances of survival isn't very good. They're not going to find a new spot to shack up and make it through the winter so That's a shame It is We blame Donald Trump on the trade war if I saw try I don't want to blame myself for my poor beekeeping No of course nothing's your fault But yeah it's just another lesson in the beekeeping

7:34So on with the news The weekend saw seismic turn of events in Germany with the alternative for Germany party getting their highest vote ever Trump replied today a good for you guys Finally Germans have had enough of the immigration and they're going to make Germany great again So not mega but Mugabah Something like that Close sorry Oh I suppose it maybe Jericho translate that Yeah Yeah on the pipeline Closer to home we've got an Indian temple That's being shut down up in Edmonton for Disgusting conditions in the kitchen and bathrooms and stuff like that so it's not a very pleasant story to read Got a fun one out of a B.C. A taxi is zoomed down the highway on ski-discay highway and got pulled over doing 131 in a 80s zone And it turns out the passenger in the taxi had just had his car impounded for speeding in the same traffic zones

8:41So I guess they're both sitting on the highway with their with their thumbs out City of Calgary's released their preferred green line option. It's the above ground one which is the cheapest Got a B.C. Realtor whose name is Case-Mathwoman. He's in Langley He was posting about indigenous affairs and how it was ludicrous that national parks are being shut down In areas being shut down just for indigenous use. Well the B.C. Realtor's association Clanked down on him and gave him a nasty letter calling his actions polarizing and inflammatory so now the Canadian Constitution Foundation has got involved And their lawyers have given the B.C. guys 30 days to get rid of that nasty letter they're going to sue Carnie is talking we talked yesterday about the Basanctions and the urge everybody to vacation in Canada see the glorious sites of Canada has to offer

9:42I'm making no mention about the fact that he suffered in Tuscany in Italy So I guess what's what's good for the goose is we're to have the investigation I guess taking those local wonders the exact name Speaking of trunk but last night he banned community booths are mentoring the United States And also derries and motorcycles and as we manufactured motorcycles I think it looked up that was some of an e-triker some odd thing it's an unusual knee-shade them But looks at boozes is a big one the the boss of crown oil says they saw more crown oil in Texas All of Canada combined so it's gonna hurt it's gonna hurt that sector and there's a lot of small craft Burries into stillers in Alberta that will also be heard Well, I mean you know brand loyalty is big with those sorts of things like liquor people get used to their things They drink and so on I mean as my former drinking days when I start working in the States

10:43I got to admit when I started moving on to bourbon from Canadian rye That kind of like the bourbon better I don't know if they want to switch all those Canadians off the crown royal that you're not gonna get them back that easily No exactly And two studies out today showing that as of January 1st Albertans are gonna save 15% on their car insurance Believe it when I see it Yeah, I bet you don't I mean if it's plain to me why I'm paying you know $2300 a year for a 10-year-old Honda Civic I believe it when I see it Yeah well, he's an insurance company You know there are two areas where they're mandatory you know you can't get away from them in life But in both cases you feel more like you've got to ask them to do things for you rather than being the customer And it's a... Exactly Yeah, insurance probably So you got Jeff on later? I do He's good We'll have to ask him about a story that yesterday's been doing very well about a mother of a convicted ISIS terrorist Yes, running for schoolborn And her reaction to Jeff when he asked for a comment

11:46Oh well I have to see what that was That was an interesting story I saw that yeah I mean Gee that's the one I want managing and the reason of our children She did such a fine job with her own With her own side Yeah great She blames mental illness Corey Oh of course well I mean hey I'm nuts too but I haven't gone and tried to blow anybody up yet Oh the days jump True Alright well thanks Dave I'll let you get back to the newsroom And we'll talk to you at the pipeline You will So yeah as you can see as always loads and loads of stories coming out there on all sorts of things national international And across the country the reason we can do it So we're going to nag guys get on there Western standard dot news slash subscription It's only ten bucks a month come on it's next to nothing Use one of those cheesy things There's less than a cup of coffee a day And it keeps us independent Keeps those reporters across the country So we can get unique content and it gets you past that pesky paywall so check it out grab a subscription if you have already I really do appreciate you're having taken one up Let's look at a couple of comments here before we roll around

12:47Joe Mills pointing out you know Mr. Harper was a great PM And he elected it we've elected a great prime minister from the West before we can do it again Yeah it's not impossible again I'm not trying so much to shoot at polyev I'm just pointing out the political reality of things And when you look at prime minister Harper I mean he was good but he didn't change anything he can't He wouldn't have stayed in even as long as he did if he'd changed anything substantially he wrote the Alberta agenda the firewall him and some others And then once he became prime minister all of that stuff when the window had disappeared All I can say is conservative prime ministers tend to be less bad for the West than liberal ones But they don't make any substantial changes And then Kathy said basically the same thing did some things that were not good for Canada when others able to get consistent to make changes to the constitution or equalization Yeah well that's the problem is there it's the system guys it's not just the party in power and it's problematic And the gamble as I'm saying with what's going on with with polyev I wouldn't expect or want I think well I mean I'd want it as a regionalist I am

13:54I never would expect the concern is to come out and support the independent side and the upcoming referendum It's not their role and as a federal party they shouldn't But I don't think they're being terribly wise by jumping in feet first and taking a side on the federal side actively campaigning on the ground starting an advertising group for it Guys 60 you know we've seen some of those polling when you're talking membership bases and so on 60 to 70% support within your membership base are independence friendly And you're pissing them off and I don't know I'm a student of history to a degree I started you know when I had my long hair and no grays But as a young reformer in the reform party Albertans will change and turn their attention elsewhere I don't know Mr. Paulie has been enough time in Alberta to see the Activism the activism and the galvanizing of conservatives that's it's been happening in this last couple of years here You don't want that activated crowd to turn their guns on you after this referendum is over

14:58You haven't hard enough time winning things as it is All right, let's bring in our guest Jeff Knight from Ontario. He's been writing on the situation in Queens Park and all the great stuff happening out there. It's about time we got you on thanks for joining us today Jeff Yeah, Cory, thanks for having me So if you heard it, Dave was mentioning we should get into that story you posted the other day on the mother of an ISIS terrorist running for school trustee What would inspire somebody so controversial to make a more public right? Yeah, Dr. Diga met Wally. Yes, I mean it was pretty interesting to see her kind of popping up like that I expect you know she's trying to get you know more sympathy for her son and a lot of ways and roundabout way In her correspondence with me she knows she referenced the the bring ab duel home website that she set up for him and stuff like that but I mean you know the guy even Wally was incarcerated like he stabbed an officer in the officer lost its eyes like I don't think there's a very good chance of him gaining too much sympathy regardless of how successful she is in her campaign

16:09Now you know this is this is Canada so she might actually have a decent chance of winning but yeah it was an interesting interesting car corresponds I had with her on email I was trying to get her to answer a few questions like for example when this first all happened she said that it was all Canada's fault that it had happened and that he had been manipulated by the RCMP and so I was trying to get her to see if she she still stood by that and she responded with the you know basically I can't say anything until I spoke with a lawyer and you know I'm very concerned that the framing is going to create a misleading and damaging impression about my personal character and stuff like that so you know she seems to kind of be leaning towards getting a little litigious there so you know I didn't pursue it too much further but yeah she seems pretty defensive about the whole thing I guess understandably so. Well did she at least explain like what does she think she can offer them as a school trustee I mean her kids are presumably grown beyond the school point he's in the you know he's been well educated in stabbing prison guards what motivation would there be because it's not like it's a you know a big paying job or something like that it just seems a strange path to go.

17:26I expect that you know her motivation is going to be around kind of controlling those types of narratives and being on the forefront of you know being able to have a say as to who's coming and going from the school system but she really you know the responses that she gave me were pretty much just like I you know I need to talk to a lawyer and you need to give me very specific. You need to get back to a very specific way otherwise I'm not answering any questions so she really you know I pressed her a couple times but she hadn't really go beyond that she seems very concerned with the legality of what she's going to be saying. Well it'll be an interesting race to watch I guess if nothing else maybe I'll pivot back to something you know more recently wrote and of course it's the dominant story has been for it's she already seems like forever with this ongoing trade war. President Trump is banned right a number of items coming from Canada United States now that's quite a development I mean that's not just a tariff that's a blockade.

18:27Yeah the outright ban on what is it it's a dairy booze and motorcycles now you know I think the US take took something like $700 million in alcohol sales from Canada last year so you know it's it's a it's a substantial part of the market for us but I'm pretty sure it's a lot of money. Sure we actually hurt them even more when we blocked American alcohol so it's a bit of a it's kind of a bit of a tug of war with with Trump and and Ford here on kind of you know and they've gotten really down into the mud slinging with. Ford telling him to kiss his ass and Trump changing Lake Ontario Lake America and stuff like that and it seems to I you know I've been saying it's it's one of the best gifts for it's gotten a while because. You know I he's kind of like a bit of like a sailor you're right you'll you'll kind of point himself whichever way the winds blowing and it seems like Canadians are really a really on board was sticking it to Trump anyway that they can so. So I'm going to. To now be leading the liberals in the polls where he was kind of behind them a little bit it seems like this is this is a great gift for him to politically to kind of move his career forward and what I expect is the direction is aiming for Pierre Paulie at his position.

19:40Yeah there's like a lot of discussion on that yeah so you obviously don't start about hurt the worst because of the motorcycles and you know we have all the auto factories and stuff here so that's the biggest concern for us. So since you kind of went there and I you know I wasn't really thinking of that but I mean there has been sort of that sub campaign at least positioning himself you know Corrie's out there working on things BC's conservative leadership race sort of turned into a proxy race between eastern staffers going on. If it looks like Ford is kind of eyeing the federal direction what's happening within the provincial conservatives over the people up and coming under Ford I mean it causes more than just you know quite it causes quite a ripple effect of a leader moves on. Yeah absolutely and I don't know if he's even thought that far ahead I know that they've got the annual policy priorities setting session coming up tomorrow actually I'm planning to attend that and I think that's part of the reason he's been pre quiet this week despite all of the US banning of Canadian products and stuff like that is he's probably saving a little bit of his response for then.

20:57And also he's probably like you know he's probably spending a lot of time online and seeing what people have to say so that he can like I said plan his response according to what's what's popular right now. So I'm not exactly sure who kind of follow him up if he did jump ship but I think it's it's not a secret that he's got big aspirations on his mind. Yeah well he's got ambition there's no joke about that it's kind of ironic that that him and Trump are locking horns the way they are I mean if there was a comparable type of political style coming from Canada comparing to Trump I would put Ford actually kind of at the top of the list for that shoot from the hip maybe speak first and think later sort of approached it things I guess you can't have two people in the same room with that attitude. Yeah it's kind of our our big blonde loud mouth versus theirs. Well it keeps you lots to watch and report on I mean politics has certainly never been dull in Canada lately though I think Alex don't be still as a crazier thing to watch than you do at this time but there hasn't been a mass exodus.

22:04Another story came up Jean Crèche and surfaced they pulled him out of the crypt and had him speaking on using Alberta's resources and Saskatchewan resources for leverage. What's the attitude in Ontario about that I mean it's a very hot button out here is it even coming up out there though or well I mean obviously Ontario wants to leverage the energy out in Alberta and stuff like that but Daniel Smith has already essentially just rejected it outright. Crèche pulling Crèche out he looks better than I thought he would but he said you know that that this what Trump's doing doesn't hurt Lake Ontario because it's just a lake and all that kind of stuff and he's saying that they really do need our oil electricity and potash and get asked and everything really bad the way and to kind of attack them that way I think you know the sheer size of the U.S. means that really getting down and dirty with them ultimately is going to hurt us I think.

23:05More than it hurts them so you know the the nastier we get pushing these types of things forward it's only you know it's going to help the politicians who are championing it because you know Canadians love to fight with the Americans but ultimately it's it's you're going to be terrible for us I believe so you know no matter who says I Crèche and Ford or or carney it's it's I'm I tend to align with Daniel Smith on this that it's a terrible idea. Yeah well and when we do have you know Venezuela lining up and things such as that encouraging our biggest customer to start sourcing from other areas I mean there are other suitors out there could cause a lot of long term difficulties for us you know versus the immediate problem but. You know it's understood I mean it you know they they want something stronger than just liquor to go back and forth with even if it says I could symbolic victory it's just interesting how it's tied together I mean the timing of this referendum probably I got a feeling if there wasn't a referendum coming in Alberta they might have already made a move for Alberta an export terror for something of a sort.

24:11Yeah absolutely and the scary thing to is once we you know start to lose our auto relationship with the US then that just kind of opens us up directly to Chinese markets and you know they don't have the best reputation for their auto automobile industry. No or their corporate practices are pretty much much of anything but and that is an area that has been devastated you know is the auto sector in the parts manufacturing I mean this this trade war has hurt central Canada far far more than than the West I guess it could lead to a bit of you know regional envy or things like. Ford said at one point kind of implying that well Alberta Saskatchewan should be feeling some pain as well well the equal sharing of pain doesn't necessarily mean we're moving towards a productive end though. Yeah the whole like we're all in this together mantra that he's been promoting but you know it's really we're all we're all going to lose together in the end and so I think you know Trump Trump's the tough guy to work with I think you kind of just have to you know butter is bread a little bit and not get down in the mud with him and he gets satisfied so I feel like you know maybe the whole approach needs to be reworked here so.

25:24So I guess I'll pivot a little more to something that's big that's going on out there I mean it's the mayoral race is sort of heating up in Toronto Olivia Chow is out well out and hitting the hustings but the story put up I guess she she skipped out on an anti-semitism debate not that surprising I guess in light of things though is it. No I mean she's been pretty consistent with you know not being a huge fan of I think Israel in general and you know she's been a pretty big supporter of the Palestinian protests and stuff like that happening in the city so I can see why she's like strategically avoiding these types of events but you know Toronto has a pretty giant Jewish population and it's it's important for her to be a mayor for all her constituents right and so to kind of be rich. So I think she's been injecting these these types of things is sounds a pretty loud message. So how secure does she look going into you know the next municipal election I mean she's been difficult to dislodge some people says because of course we tend to have a lot of people split in that vote but is she sitting comfortably going ahead or or Toronto is finally kind of tiring ever.

26:38I don't think they're tiring over that's the thing is I think that this that her strategy is working like Toronto is a pretty left leaning place and you know I don't understand it as someone who lived in Toronto for a long time and has seen it you know in my opinion decline over the years but I it seems like the strategy is working for her I I'm not sure what her exact numbers are that she's pulling by but I think she's beating Bradford by you know pretty solid amount right now. Yeah well that's changing there we don't know those campaigns can be pretty wild when's your voting day coming. It's October 26 I believe okay so just ramping up maybe I'll pull a little provincial now this is something Alberta just dealt with a year ago there's I see an article of yours in the labor agreements have expired as students are going back to school is there much of a risk of a teacher support strike hitting and messing with the school year or do you think that's going to be a good deal. I think they're going to have something.

27:38Well I mean we love there are teachers love to strike here in Ontario so I expect it's it's something that probably is on the table I think the University of Toronto just voted against having a strike so you know there's obviously some conversations happening in back rooms that are really trying to make this not happen. Got some correspondence back from the from Emma Testani who is the sorry I'm just reading here yeah. Well yeah anyway I got a little bit of correspondence back to set at this early stage of bargaining the first step is to determine what issues will be negotiated at central or local tables those decisions are still underway with some unions choosing to bring this marriage the Ontario labor relations board. We respect their decision to do so and at all times are ready to continue discussions on the scope of central versus local issues before proceeding to the next stage of negotiations. You know so they're obviously trying to to smooth things out to avoid a strike but you know if you ask me I expect that there probably will be one on the horizon.

28:44I'll always make parents nervous when you know the kids might be missing on the part of a school year so I will be watching this pretty closely. So before I let you go you've been very prolific you got a lot on the go and it's fantastic with those stories coming from Ontario for us what are you working on and what sort of things should we be watching for in the next weeks to come here. Well I mean I'm going to be keeping a close eye obviously on what Ford's got to say on on this week's revelations so when I check out the priority setting session tomorrow I hope to have a whole video put out on that. So you know we can look forward to that on Friday if all things go well and then other than that you know there's been a lot of crime happening in especially Brampton lately over the long weekend there is a you know several break ends there is some knife attacks and stuff like that. So you know I've always got my eye on those types of things and stories that'll be interesting for an Ontario perspective. Yeah well there's that balance you got to take on with things as they break and then the longer stories and the bigger things Brampton is certainly garnering a reputation within Canada this last decade or so we sleep larger it's kind of.

29:58It's a bit of a it's a hot thing whatever I see Brampton show off I'm just like oh you know this will be this will be getting some views for sure yeah here we go again. Alright well I really appreciate you know the amount of excellent coverage you've been offering us from Ontario we can be too western focused here at the standard and the news out there is important to us too so thank you very much for coming on to speak to us today and I look forward to reading your stories going forward. Thank you Robin McCory. Alright thanks see you guys out in Queens Park in Ontario keep an eye on it that's Jeff Knight and. Easy as I said I pulled up the page before we brought him on and wow he's got a lot of content going on out there I mean that's the standard we are you know do have people across this country and he's been doing a great job out there and it all ties together you know we can't I'm a regionalist I'm frustrated with Eastern Canada and so I'm but I also understand that the politics so they're still end up impacting us out here that's part of what I was talking about.

31:02I guess I'll get back some of the comments you know Pedro fire style saying I don't think he's taking us for granted. I think the conservatives are but they always have and like I said I don't say it say it personally I just mean it it's the nature of things it's hard to lose seats in Alberta if you're conservative you know you can ignore Alberta a lot of those Alberta writings are going to vote conservative if you ran a tree stump they're going to vote for it and that leads to us being taken for granted not in a hostile way but just in we don't have to do that. We don't have to worry about that we'll focus on things over here. It's just sort of what happens but as I said we look historically we got to be careful because or they've got to be careful Albertans are very grumpy right now and we make new parties and I know that the Maverick party didn't go anywhere and the PPC isn't going anywhere but our atmosphere has been changing a lot and this referendum comes to a close people are going to be looking at different things to make change and if it looks like we're going to be able to do something with the government and the government. And if it looks like the federal party isn't speaking for Albertans they could be at risk of things you know with a grumpy electorate doing things we just going to watch it or at least Mr. Polly have has to watch it.

32:15Let's see what else we've got Joe Mills pointing out of the liberals rescinded any anti oil and gas policies no but Stephen Harper didn't get that much for pipelines built either. The mess that came with Trans Mountain for example that was already bunged up in red tape and a bunch of battles before Justin Trudeau got in there and really screwed it up and made it worse. Because Harper didn't want to get up and say look this is federal jurisdiction that pipe is going whether you like it or not the consultations done we're going full bore head. He didn't want to stir up the east so he didn't do that again it's not personal it's just the way it goes. As I said conservative parties tend to be less bad than than liberal ones but they don't change anything so we're going to accept the same system. Joe Mills a K asking if you were PM what's the first thing you do fine yes I would exercise my authority on this trade war if you really want to use oil for leverage it's not by adding counter tariffs which by the way Polly have supports in itself defeating.

33:20I'm not going to try to out liberal the liberals on bad policy or do Trump on bad policy find other customers that's the leverage sell more oil but sell it to somebody else that's when they realize there's somebody else who will buy it off you you would say this is in the national interest you could practically declare an emergency and say that's enough northern gateway every study was already done on every part of that right away to get oil to the coast over there you say that's it we're guaranteeing it. As a federal government proponents come in we will clear the way so you can get that bloody pipe in there and we can get a port going and ship to India in Japan and Singapore and all of those other places the Philippines that could use our oil and natural gas through LNG plants get it done but they won't federal ones won't do it and it's not conservative or liberal why they don't have the balls because they're worried about what Quebec will think they're worried about what Ontario will think. And that pattern doesn't change whether it's conservative or liberal I'm not saying go out and vote against the conservatives in Alberta no you still want to vote for the person is going to be as good for you as possible and there's a lot of really good conservative members of parliament most of them in Alberta are really good people but they're handcuffed so don't expect too much of them.

34:38I mean the biggest point with me federally if you remember a few years ago Quebec's population growth has been slower relative to the rest of the country so when they were rebalancing the seats it turned out that Quebec was supposed to lose a federal seat. Well of course Quebec and I tell you what Albertans got to learn from them Quebec said screw that we're not putting up with that absolutely not and they started raising a stink so what happened. The House of Commons got together and had a vote and basically exempted Quebec from representation by population and guaranteed they would always have a seat they could go down to have an only 75 Frenchman in that whole province they would still have the same amount of parliamentary seats thanks to that bill being passed. The conservatives didn't oppose it a bunch of them stayed home and avoided the vote a bunch of them actually voted for that bill and a handful voted against why. Because they take the West for granted and they want to win Quebec is as simple as that and that's the way it's going but it's not working. It's not working.

35:39What's this forever Canadian saying two court rulings of maintain the consent of First Nations is required that's absolutely wrong and untrue absolutely wrong consent. And consult or right next to each other in the dictionary have a look at them there's a big difference between this two and the Supreme Court has ruled many many times that First Nations do not have veto authority in Canada on projects they had there's an obligation to consent. But you can salt but no consent is not required and again having a courageous Prime Minister putting things in the national interest could fix that instead they maintain the status quo. And reserves become even more horrific in the conditions First Nations become even more poor and dysfunctional in Alberta First Nations men die 19 years younger than the average Canadian man here in Alberta but we're afraid to change anything we're afraid to take on the status quo that is hurting them why. Because we got political cowardice that's the bottom line. Let's see here.

36:42Do Asia is CBC CB fixes all saying it as you'll take as much oil as we can ship out but the feds are in the way yeah absolutely the customers are there the customers are there and we could put in a good question a two-hour super by the way thank you you know from Scotty saying so we run federal candidates and split the vote. Okay. Paulie has trailing by 1718 points already. What are you splitting? They don't have a hope in hell of winning right now. You're sinking. The I'm talking anyways the risk and I know you're saying it's going or anything the risk like it's still a fair question. But in Alberta if I'm talking to reform style party that party was only built for the west it was like the blockadecwa it didn't go splitting votes in areas where that's a concern. And in Alberta a lot of the writings you can split the vote three ways you're still not going to get a liberal in there.

37:43So though fair enough if another reform type party came in as I said earlier yeah you're pretty much going to guarantee a liberal party is going to be in there. But that's exactly what happened before. Maroni got in guess what he did he dragged his ass and getting rid of the national energy program he gave contracts to Quebec over Albertan contracts he just turned into liberal like. And we see the pattern coming from the federal party to that's the only way you can win. So we'll see I mean there's risks fair enough I don't think running for federal candidates across the country be good idea. I just like to see Albertan MPs to be able to stand up and speak just for Alberta. There's the things I admire for the blockadecwa they know they'll never form government that that's there. You know it's mathematically impossible the way they set up the form government. But they will vote either way on issues they're not beholden to the liberals or the conservatives they tend to lean left but they'll vote either way because their lens is always what's in it for Quebec.

38:50That's all that's the the number one question with any policy before it goes to the House of Commons or anything goes into committee their question what's in it for Quebec. And with a representation as we're supposed to have regionally and so on that's what our members of parliament are supposed to do they're supposed to speak for the local constituents not for the interests of the party in eastern Canada. But that's the way it's supposed to be versus how it is if you had a party that is only based in the west like reform used to be that'll be the lens they're going to look at things with. And they can vote either way on things but we'll see I mean that's getting ahead of myself we'll see what happens I just don't think it was very wise for polyeth to stir up his base by getting so active in the campaign with the referendum here in Alberta. This is one of those things where it's a domestic battle you don't want to start getting in the middle of it you're very potentially going to make it a heck of a lot worse.

39:50And one more time for this forever Canadian who's I think just trolling the thread but you say read the rulings and the actual constitutional efforts yes you're wrong man you're dead wrong you're a hundred percent wrong. And search it's very easy actually with AI or Google whether or not indigenous bands have veto authority over projects in Canada Supreme Court has ruled multiple multiple times they do not not have a veto consultant consent I'm sorry it's too confusing for you but you are forever Canadian person so I can understand it takes some slow explanations for you sometimes. William Rob saying ask yourself why polyeth is trailing so badly Canadian voters seem to seem as corny and voters minds they they might as well you know keep it the same and there's some truth for it like you've got to and I don't have the formula I would you know I would send the magic formula if I could but if you can't distinguish yourself in the party and power. People aren't going to switch to you they will go with the devil they know the whole Trump factor has been devastating for polyeth and it's not a polyeth fault really necessarily it's just bad circumstances and bad timing but Trump has presented himself as a volatile force outside of Canada it's made an outside threat and his insulting tone is 51st state stuff his governor stuff has really wrangled a whole hole in his head.

41:13He really wrangled a whole hell of a lot of people you know whether people like Trump or not I'm not a fan of a buddy either way that has made everybody rally around the party in power that made people stick with the liberals because again when you have a note site threat people stick with the known and they don't budge and polyeth just keeps parroting I mean he offers the same things. Colony says we should have counter tariffs polyeth says we should have counter tariff well then if there's no difference why would I bother switching they know what they got with carney I know we got with carney nothing a lot of talk but it's a tough spot for polyeth to be and he's got to find a way to distinguish himself and his party from the liberals while still appearing that he's going to somehow resolve this. Trade mess that we've got going on and you know it's a very difficult spot to be in.

42:14Let's see let's further with William saying in voters minds they might as well keep the same leaders in yet don't change the horses made street yeah it's exactly and and you say you're American great you know and that's part of it right when you got a crisis people aren't and it is a crisis guys again particularly in Quebec. And Ontario it's really hitting their manufacturing district it's really hitting them hard and people don't want to start changing leaders at this point they want something some sort of resolution some sort of fix I don't know what it is but it's difficult just a quick turn of a page because it's not one Cheryl van saying whatever happened to the gondag legal issues why radio silence. For those not familiar with that gondag's the former mayor of Calgary her and a few other counselors actually had their cell phones seized by warrant it looks like there might have been some inside dealing potentially or corruption gondag won't cooperate and they haven't been able to unlock her phone to find out what's in it but there might be communications perhaps is some inside dealing the last word was they got an extension in court because they think there's some new tech to be able to get into that secured phone because the police haven't been able to get into it.

43:20And find out what's going on in there but nothing's changed at this point that's not my so much radio silence I think in the sense of a conspiracy but just been nothing new to report yet so we'll see what happens it's very interesting though gondag was not a well liked mayor in Calgary she was one of the rare one term mayors and then kicked out on her butt but if there was corruption going on as well she could be in a bad place it doesn't say a lot because they seized the phone phones of a few former counselors and they were not going to be able to get into the city of Calgary. And the other ones cooperated so they looked in the phone said okay there's no problem they give their phone back but the mayors refused to cooperate former mayor has refused to cooperate so we'll see what happens the rest of the share of anything comes up we will report on it because I have little love for Madam Gondag and having it gone would be a plus. See Joe Melcing if elections called I want to hear it both sides would run on might be eye opening yeah it would you know we but we're not at a point of that right now I guess we got to talk more in broader terms on things and where the parties are going and they're more reactive to more immediate issues the as the commons is sitting again what two weeks see what actually starts coming along and coming through the the folks speaking in there.

44:35I guess just one more thing to note on it you know everybody's been late in their hair on fire over the election of that. At you know party in Germany you're not new so much but you know quite conservative. And I guess it's this run by a lesbian woman who you know is a non-white wife or something like that I mean so conventional ideas of what far right might be aren't the same as what they are. But what this what you're seeing in Germany in the people losing the crap over it and everything else whether this groups extreme or not. This is what happens when you kick the can down the road way too long in immigration you will get a pendulum swing the other way. And it could be a bad swing. It's better to adjust things now rather than wait until it becomes a crisis and then people push back in what might be a destructive way later so we'll see what happens over there but expect that in more more European countries as they can't get a handle on their immigration they expect more of it out here just to close in Alberta the first nine questions a number of them are on how to take care of things at least with temporary workers and things like that take some of that pressure off and that could reduce that pendulum swing that could go back the wrong way later on.

45:46All right I'm kind of out of time. Look the pipeline is going to be on tonight will be a I have a panel will break down a bunch more of those issues. As well Nigel Hanifred has his show and all sorts of news updates are coming up on here so be sure to subscribe like share do all that important stuff and keep in touch with things because it really helps us to independent reach out to you folks so thanks for tuning in this week guys we'll see you all again next week at this time.