Corporate Vagina: Star Stone on OneTaste (Part 2)

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3:15But no. Click cult. What? Welcome back. Oh, welcome back to part two with star stone. If you didn't listen to part one, I really encourage you to do that because it will set the stage for us and stick around to the very end because if you're lucky, you're going to hear a little excerpt from star show coming soon to a theater near you. Check our show notes for all the details, thanks for listening and enjoy part two with star stone. When you look back, so you know, this is where we pull the value out for our listeners, what were the red flags that you had along the way? And we've talked about some of them inconsistencies.

4:18Coursework with no graduation. Yeah. And no syllabus. What were some of the other red flags that you now see looking back? I think that it has to do with how they handled when someone would violate the container, right? So we're talking assault. If you know, you're putting yourself in a a sexual environment, even if it's, even if they want to market it to you as superclinical or try to paint it as this is very business like very transactional, this is just for your personal development, this is just for your empowerment, this is so that you can live it quote unquote, turned on life, right? This is for the woman. This is for your pleasure. That's like what it is. But okay, you can say all of that as much as you want. When it comes down to the bottom line, is this a safe place for women? Is it a safe place? How do you handle accountability? What happens when someone violates the container? How do you show up for someone who's paying to be here? Right? And like how they handled that showed me everything. I mean, there was no protocol in place,

5:25not during my time. If someone violated the container, when I was having a difficult time, a challenging time, a, when my safety was put in jeopardy with one of the other members there who volunteered his time regularly with, with your organization. I don't even know if he was on their payroll, but when he was acting out of integrity and acting in ways that were, you know, violent towards me, and they knew that and there wasn't any accountability. There was no safety in this space. So if you're selling sex and consent and accountability and safety is not a part of your programming, then, you know, we need to get the fuck out immediately. How would they say that like, I mean, that seems like an obvious thing they need to put in place? Would they, do they, is there no, there's no like, if this happens, then this, there's nothing like that. There's no protocols for

6:29during my time, there was not a, and I can only speak for when I was there, but when I was there, and in my experience, there was no consent talk. There was no protocol or support. When I spoke to a staff member about a private home that I had, you know, her response was very much like, yeah, that happens. I wouldn't worry about it. Yeah, in order, so we're a boundary, it was crossed. Well, the problem is if you're going to go put guardrails and architecture to this, you're going to have to be transparent about what you're doing. And it's going to require you to go through the rigors of some sort of process of what is this? What are you selling? What's the thing? What, you know, and it seems like they were allergic to any sort of protocol and criticism. Yeah. And investigation of like, what is this? Yeah. Yeah, investigation. Yeah, which is ultimately what you found out in your own way. Right. I mean, I was having experiences with people that again,

7:35were boundary violations. I had even asked some people around this one person. I was like, okay, well, has this happened to you? And they said, yeah, of course, many times. It's like, okay, so this is just happening here. And I remember I tried so hard to reach out and to share my story and on women's group chats within the organization. I was, I didn't understand what was really happening. I was very confused. And it was the first time it had happened to me in my life. Like, I didn't know to call it rape or assault. I didn't know what because you're a consenting adult, you're engaging in a sexual practice. It was confusing to me. I'm like, is this, do I report this? Like, I didn't know what my options were. And therefore, I stayed silent, right? Like, I didn't talk out about it. I mean, like, I brought it to a staff member at first, thinking like, hey, shouldn't I tell someone about this? But ultimately, I didn't really understand. I didn't know what to do, how to help myself, how to support myself. And I tried my best to communicate to others, what was going on. There was a lot of like spiritual bypassing and gaslighting happening

8:36from people in the organization, not from staff members, but just from other people that were there. Because I think it probably was really rampant and it happened a lot to be other people too. And I guess for their own sanity. Because I'm sure this probably happened a lot. But yeah, I think that was my story. My story with them has a lot to do with confusion, lack of accountability, not being safe with the members who are engaging in these practices. And beyond practices, right? There was this thing called a make out that they had, which wasn't something that was strictly a course. It wasn't something that they really taught or talked about. But it was one of those cultural things that happened there that I think was brought in from, or like grandfathered in, but like, it was like carried forward from their early days. And a make out is kind of like the one-tease practice only it happens with sex. So that's another container. So there was a 15-minute

9:40clitoris joking practice and there was a make out, which was like a timed sex with a person. So there were all these different ways in which we were engaging with each other within community. And yet boundaries, consent, sexual health, there's so many safety things that were missing from this organization. So like you could ask somebody to do an own with them and then it turns into a make out and that would be a problem if that's not what you asked for. Well, no, there were different things. So you could, yeah, so an almost one thing and then like a totally separate schedule or totally separate time would have been a make out. There wouldn't be, there would have been two totally different moments. Quick, shameless plug for our book because there's a very exciting update. The audiobook is officially out and it's narrated by us. So you can now read the book however you like,

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17:01Those are definitely some heavy red flags. Was there a particular specific time that you packed your bags and got out? Or was it as slow with Dural how to do exit? I mean, it's so both actually, I think trying to get out happened a few times, as I think maybe that happens like when you're in a unsafe environment, it's a little challenging when you've made it your world. But how many years were talking this to at this point? About two and a half ish, not fully the whole time, but around that time, two and a half years. Because the coaching program was really when I was like, what is this? I need to leave. I just got that clear moment. I pulled away then, but I went to a place called the land. They had acquired land in a remote location in northern California. And honestly, getting to the land, I have seen a lot of cold

18:04documentaries. And they all end up on land, right? And once they're on land, you're at flag. Once they're on land, the land, and it was called the land. Is that very creative over there? Are there? You turn on the make out, the land. Do you want to do it? Turn on or I may go to the land? What was the land? The land. Wow. I just felt like it was like, I mean, I think cinematically. So I was like, this feels like a man's in documentary. This feels like Brian Jones on Massacre. I was just thinking I was scared. When I got there, I was like, this doesn't feel right. Something is terribly off. That's all I could think about. Because I had just seen so many movies and documentaries about land and the creepy things that happened on the land. So when I got there and I felt that, I knew I needed to get out. I didn't get out like the movie. Like I felt like something like that was going to happen. I was like, what is this? And

19:07so the land had animals. It had like a cafeteria. I mean, it had it seemed from the outside, it just looked like a cool place farm, you know? But energetically, I was having an experience of must get away as soon as humanly possible. Like I just felt so creaked out. There were cabins. There were a lot of people there when I was there. There were programs and courses happening. Was the idea that you were supposed to stay and work there? I live there or was like, what was the plan? No, you know, it was again going back to what I was saying earlier around the secrecy and kind of like hidden things and things being revealed over time. The land wasn't something that was promoted or openly disclosed. Like it was very much like you needed to be invited. And kind of in the inner circle or like signing up for something. And there were lots of things I didn't know about. Maybe some people had paid to be there. I don't really know what everyone's personal history or relationship was. But I had an in with someone who was already being invited and going

20:10to the land. So they brought me. And the way that it happened was when I was there, yeah, they just had courses and we're talking. But I didn't understand what are we doing? Like there wasn't a there were no pro it wasn't like programming. It was just sort of we were all just there. And I didn't understand why that was. My experience in one case was constantly like, what is the purpose of this? Why are we doing this? What does it have to do with anything? How are these things connected? Why is it called orgasm meditation? If there's no orgasm, no meditation, but yet you want to have an orgasm, be it your saying it's school is practice. Like what is happening? And I felt like the same thing was happening here where I was like, what is this land being used for? What is it really being used for? Because this doesn't seem right. They didn't exercise with blindfolds at one point and I just took off the blindfolds and I left. They didn't want to know what the blindfolds were for. It was like, I'm done. I'm good. So what was your escape? How did you get out? I moved cities. I moved I mean, because at that point after my teacher training in the Bay Area, I just ended up staying in the Bay Area and working

21:11there and living there. And then after this, I picked up my life and moved back to LA, which is where I was before all this started. And that was really hard for me and really scary and very isolating. It's a very difficult time in my life to leave that. And I was still kind of connected. The staff was still reaching out to me. They were still texting me. I was still trying to stay connected. They had a one-taste, they had one-taste in LA as well. So there was still all of that going on. But I just really needed to rebuild my life and get away from all of that. And so yeah, I moved away. What did you tell them? I didn't tell them anything. I just left. And they tried to get you back. They were just texting me like all was well. Yeah. And checking in on me. Did you do any more in LA or did you make a clean break from it all? No, I went to some of the LA things because I was still connected with some people and they were coming down to LA. I think because of support or working for them or there were some,

22:12I don't really know how it was working with their staff at that time, but they were coming down. Some of the people were coming down from the very to LA to do things. And so, but eventually I cut all of that off and gotten to therapy and moved my life away from that. And when did you make the cult connection? Well, I'm wondering. That's a great question. When did that happen? So I think I kind of always knew because of the way that I stayed away from them at first and the way that they were approaching people at events felt very much like Jehovah's Witnesses, like when they were in the subway in New York. And just there was a lot of similarities between Harry Krishna's and I like saw I kind of felt energetically. I felt all of that before I even joined. But it was like my intuition protecting me. But I was like, I've got to just know and I had this drive and I had this desire, I guess, to just be in it and to find it out and to seek it out and to know all the things. So I overrode the original meaning. And then so later on, I think it was when I started working, started being in

23:15therapy. And I watched something on Netflix about a Gama Yoga and I'm trying to remember the other cults that were in that documentary. But I kind of put everything together and kind of reminded myself and realized, whoa, this is bigger than I thought. I had a bigger experience and I thought I seek it to myself a little too far. Yeah. What was that? Tell me about your therapy and your healing and why you decided to write a show. Yeah. I ended up moving back to New York with a different show I was working on. And therapy had supported me so far. But I still hadn't I think made peace with the parts of me that were very alive during one taste and before one taste. And I think I just some parts of me just didn't exist or I isolated them. I exiled them. And so I moved I was living in Costa Rica and I was living in community. And I hadn't really I had really stayed away from that word from

24:19anything community related for a very long time. But I was in this community in Costa Rica. And it all kind of somehow being in the jungle, being in community brought everything up to the surface that I had been ignoring about me and about my experience. And it was brought to me in such a way that I couldn't ignore it. And so just for like a year and a half living in Costa Rica, I was reliving in a very visceral way and a very somatic way. I was re-enhabiting my body in a way that therapy wasn't doing for me talking about it. And through that process, I ended up writing a writing the show. And also what's really interesting too is that I was working with the social media team at the time. And someone on my team was like, hey, did you know this is happening with one taste? They knew and they were talking to me like, hey, you should like make some content around this and talk about your experience because I think the New York Times is covering Nicole and I was like, wait, what?

25:21And they were like, yeah, you know, they're going to be in trial. And I was like, what? And it was around the same time already that I had that intuition or that I was healing and doing work around this topic. And I was already ready to talk more publicly about it. And then yeah, that kind of helped me. And then I just wrote the show. And then more interesting things happened. I wrote the show. We premiered it in New York fringe. And Ellen, who was on her show, right? She reached out to me and she was like, hey, do you remember back way back when you were saying that you were going to write a show about this and you really wanted to talk publicly about it? And she's like, yeah, I wrote this book and you're doing your show. And it was happening at the same time. And she was in town for the trials. She was able to come see my show. But it was just interesting that all of this came up at the exact same time. It was so interesting that all of this happened simultaneously. And I was really happy about that. Like it just felt finally like I could talk about it. I had processed it.

26:25It went through my body. And through writing the show was the most healing thing I could have possibly done. And I'm so grateful. That's great. What specifically was cathartic about it I'm asking is a fellow theater performance major BFA from somewhere else. I know you don't would do. But like writing this is a solo show, right? Like it's just you. Yeah, it's just me. Yeah. What did you come to terms with that you hadn't before? I found how hilarious it was. I was like, wait, this is actually like really funny to me. Obviously there was a lot of trauma. But I mean, when I think about it from just a person who didn't go through it first, but I'm like thinking about it in the third person. I'm like, wait, what? Like I was just like, you know, corporate vagina, corporate vagina. I'm like, wait a second now. Like this is silly. And like the fact that I can laugh at it and that I can tell this story

27:25and that I can have fun with it, it's just like the like the way in which it's so wild and so out there and so over the top and so unbelievable is it's just somehow to be able to laugh at it. My director said that comedy is trauma plus time. I really always say this. I feel like this is my quote now of hers because I really believe that's true. Like there's something funny about this whole thing that I like had a bedmate and that I was in this like sex cult and you know, it's I don't know something about it talking about it and making songs about it. Did you write the song about? I did. I have a collaborative too. Yeah. I wrote a collaborative. Yeah, we made original songs for this. That's what I was going to say. You wrote a song about oh about vaginas. Oh. Yeah. That's what rock and roll is. Let's be honest. I wrote it. Yeah, I wrote a song about that. But I

28:27also I have a song called Red Flag because I have a song about narcissism and I have of course I have a song about coming because yeah, that's important. Or not coming as. Oh, it's not always. Right. What's the audience's response been like? I mean, it's been all over the place. I think that there's a lot of people say that I'm brave for talking about it. There's been that feedback around like just the bravery that I have for sharing my story. The importance of talking about this and talking about you know, in a way because I think in a way it's helpful because of all of the ways in which spiritualized intimacy is can be dangerous. And there's a lot of influencers and people that are kind of taking advantage of people online a bit. And these spaces are very prevalent now. They're not all cults. But they're still a lot of cults. A lot of cults. They're still they're still exploitative. They're still predatory environments. They those are still happening.

29:28And there's a lot of people who are in positions of unqualified have no credentials. They're in positions of power. They have platforms. And a lot of these people have gone through one taste. And I know who they are. But I'm not going to be out. We have a similar experience in our space of people who are like trauma therapists who trained in landmark. Time to have a little word from our sponsors. This summer we decided our Vancouver condo needed a serious glow up. And Wayfair was our first stop. Mostly because I have zero patients for wandering 17 different furniture stores. Wayfair verified products are hand vetted by actual specialists using a 10 point inspection. So you're not gambling on some flimsy end table that looks great online and then collapses the first time someone sets down a coffee mug. Nah, Saiyan. They've got thousands of products across

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34:38Landmark. Wait, sorry, I got excited. Did you do an opposite of Lindmark? No, no, no, no. I'm not much. Yeah, because I like went to Landmark once. I've done a lot. I've been in a lot of cults, actually, but only once, like only one time going visiting and going K-Earth, Colton, I left. But yeah, I went to Landmark for a mic. Did that? Yep, went there one time. This before one taste. One before one taste. Yeah. I was like, what is this? But it's interesting because I had the exact same experience at Landmark that I had at one taste. Only they weren't offering a sexual path. And I was interested in the sexy stuff. So see, that's why everyone's got their hook. Everyone's got their area. Yeah, we all have, well, you had ours. No judgment. You know, we all have a hook, right? We all have the thing that we do. The all the groups exploit in a way, it's money, sex, or power. Exactly. Or all three. All of them. Yeah. Speaking of the unregulated wellness, industrial complex, yeah, it needs to change to protect people. Well, there needs to be regulation. I think that there needs to be

35:41something in place to regulate what's happening, especially because there's so much access now, because of social media. There's so much knowledge without people being vetted. There's not a proper vetting system anymore. It's not like a lineage-based. It's more like, I have a platform here I am. And you know, people can get away with charging, however much they want to charge. They feel empowered in that way. And yet, so there needs to be something to be done. Yes, some type of regulation. And because we can't just say discernment. I mean, I would love to be like, yeah, everyone, just be discerning, discerning with your dollar. But like, but we need process. Yeah. I'm very connected with, sorry, I was going to say, have you ever connected with the people that seek safely? Yeah, I haven't, you know, I signed up for their conference and then I ended up not going with an online conference. I'd really like to connect with them. Yeah, I'd really, I would like to. Yeah, they're doing important work in this space. Yeah, I'd like to see them do something in person too. I really, yeah, that's how I feel very,

36:41I'm very, I feel very strongly about these things. Totally. Good. And so if anyone's listening who is drawn to sexual wellness or spiritual communities, because nothing wrong with either of those things, yeah, what would you say that they ask themselves to give them some tools to listen to their discomfort? So they have an out. Like, what are some tools for the tool belt for the spiritual or sexual seeker? Yeah, well, one, if you're saying, no, and your know is not respected and they're turning it around and saying, lean into your discomfort. This is an edge for you. Let's play with your edge. Let's play with your growth. Your turn off is actually your turn on or, you know, your adversity, your adverse response is your turn on. That's where you should lean into so that you can grow and, you know, move that edge. You need to get the, don't do that. Your know is your know. Your know is your know. No, period. There's nothing, know is a complete sentence. No. That's number one. Number two, I think we've got to be able to,

37:44when we walk into a space, especially for giving money to somebody. Okay, how do you handle consent? How do you handle my safety? Like, what are your protocols? Ask questions. Find out what their accountability looks like. What is what are their, what are their approaches include? You know, find out where they trained, where ask questions, like find out their bio, their real bio. Don't just talk to people who've gone to their courses and have maybe potentially, you know, really believe in that person or advocating for them, but start to be a little bit more, I hate to use the word discernment because it's just, it's so much, you need so much more than that. People can think they're being discerning and then, right, franted with the, some of the things you talked about. Well, so you can be lied to. So there's, right. But there's, there's needs to be more like accredited institutions that have stood the test of time that are not these like fringe institutions, but are more like, like, like, croc like cross reference things, like have any scholarly or like universities, platform, these people, and even then sometimes, because, you know, Nicole had a TED talk. I mean, like,

38:49but you've got to like, like, there has to be some level of vetting. We know, we have to, it's tough. It's tough out there, but I feel like we've got to, we've got to try to take care of ourselves because that's the most important thing is you've got to take care of you. I don't know a lot of people will. Yeah. Well, I hope that people come see your show tell. Yeah, for in New York, which we probably will be at some point this fall, where, when, when, when, when, as your show and where? Yeah. September, 10th and 11th at 10 30 PM, because it's a sexy time for the show at understant marks. So it's playing two nights only at Narodica Festival at understant marks. Tickets are available on my Instagram bio, the link for tickets or on frigidod and yc. And then it's playing again at Brooklyn Comedy Collective on October, October 4th, I believe, at 7 PM, which I think is a Sunday. And tickets are available for that on Brooklyn Comedy Collective website. Yeah. Is there anything that we didn't ask you that you wanted to say? That's

39:52important to. Yeah. I have something I forgot to mention entirely is around like wire people drawn to organizations like this in terms of like seeking out ways to deepen your pleasure and learning about bodies and accessing pleasure as a woman, I think is something that I just wasn't handed to in my upbringing. There was a whole lot of education or access around that. I think that now generations now have so much more access. But at the time, it was really something I was seeking out. And so I think that that's important to include in my story because it sounds, I think what I was sharing previously was, yeah, I was intrigued by like Fimo Empowerment, but it was really also, like I really did want to have like multiple orgasms. Like I wanted to be an orgasmic woman, that was really intriguing to me. And that's exactly what my show is about, like that journey to orgasm. Do you mind me asking me to cut this out if you don't want to be public, but just as I'm curious about our age, or age, I'm, yeah. So like I was like 28 when I got into one taste or 27, and I'm 40 now.

40:56Okay. So age 20, there's some difference. Yeah. But like when I was really like wanting to deepen my sex, wanting to like that was late 20s when I was like, hey, actually, like I want to have the best sex ever. And if this place knows how to do that, then I want to be in on whatever that is. Absolutely. Well, I think you've given us lots of juicy stuff. And so we're going to send this to you as a thank you for being on the show. And I think that you'll find, I hope that you find some extra layers of healing and yeah, you will bonus nuggets that we sum up in the book. Pretty well, I think. Thank you. I hope that the show goes well. I hope this does well. We can maybe do something on our Instagram too that might. Thanks. I was looking at your Instagram right here. And we can maybe repost the dates or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. If you tag us, then we can put it in our stories too. Okay. I will. Yeah. Do that. That would be yeah. Thank you so much, Stark. Good luck with the show and keep in touch. Thank you, Stark.

41:58Thank you. Thank you for having me. Bye. Welcome everyone. Welcome to turn on. Who wants to get turned on tonight? Well, then come on up here and join me in the hot seat. Well, somebody, Egor Hanna's. What does that name type say? Jessabat. No, Jessabat, have you ever done a hot seat before? No, of course not. I'll demonstrate for you. How do you like your tea? Huh? Warm. With honey. Which lemon?

43:05Good. Now top of down, Jessabat. Who's got some questions for Jessabat? I thought it was here to learn how to come. Not their communication names with the program or Facebook. Why can the corporate team know what was this? And no one even batted in the eye. Everyone was way into it. Oh, and by everyone I made the tech roast. Now this was a decade before the crypto tech roast that you need in Costa Rica and they ask you to join a mastermind in Man's Maniai, the phone into you. No, this was below social skills, khakis and polo's tech rub. Well, after this, one of the staff members named Jenn I mean, she cornered me. So hard. Come closer to my table. How was it turned on, breathing? Love your mind. I think you'd be perfect for our intro to Oons Saturday. That's our orgasm meditation demo. And it's only a hundred bucks. Nidah, so now we have one spot

44:11remaining. One spot just speaking available. Any believe that? Are you in? Welcome everyone. Injian, hadn't seen all. And today you're in for a real treat. It's truly an honor. Please put your hands together for Rachel. Thank you. Thanks everyone. Thanks Jenn. Thanks so much for joining today. This practice has truly changed my life. And I know that it'll change yours. So in a moment you'll be witnessing this practice. Oh, mystical is practice. And as you're watching, I want you to focus on sensations that you feel because as you do that, you'll be hearing that when you owe yourself.

45:13And you'll also be connecting with me up here. I will also be focusing on my own sensation. Well, I can't just smile. Okay, so everyone we're going to take a little while. We'll retell transitions. Everyone just come and put a brief. Okay. The rollout is steel table on wheels and Rachel gets the minus table. And then a man in business casual tire puts on gloves with loop. And I watched him stroke her clitoris through 15 minutes. Do you have so many questions? That. That means you. I could why I was it called our gaseous meditation if there's no orgasm and no meditation? Yeah. Exactly. But if this demo was a breadcrown, I was brittle. I just have to try it. Just to make sure I'm going to do is nothing I was missing.

46:17Okay. Everybody, I hope you enjoyed that special two part in the interim. Something kind of cool happened that I wanted to share on this episode. Clip coat? No. I like saying it. It's got to it's got to redo it. Clip coat. One of our all time favorite listeners and long-term listeners, Nancy, just sent us $200 to basically purchase books for our guests and for people in different cults that maybe can't afford to buy it. So we want to do a special shout out. Nancy Kiri, thank you so much. This is a real gift. Anyone who wants to follow suit, please DM us and we can figure out how to do that. The first batch of books went to the young women who survived

47:17Sam Bateman's cult in Utah. Thanks to Christine Marie and the fine filmmakers who made Trust Me, the false prophet. Those ladies got the first batch of books thanks to Nancy Kiri. So that's some exciting news. Hope you enjoyed this episode and that little update. We'll see you next time on a little bit Coltay. Yeah. If you're finding this podcast helpful, please do us a solid, drop a rating, leave a review, and hit subscribe on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. And if you're feeling extra culty, join our Patreon at patreon.com slash a little bit Coltay for early, ad free episodes, and all the bonus content.

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