Congress Names Epstein’s 'Filthy 14' (Part 2) (9/2/26)

0:00What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In this episode we're picking up where we left off, with Jeffrey Epstein and the filthy 14. Less Wexner may be the single most important person in understanding how Jeffrey Epstein became Jeffrey Epstein. Before Epstein became the mysterious billionaire with the Manhattan Mansion, Private Jet, Island, Ranch, and Endless Collection of Powerful Contacts, he became deeply embedded in Wexner's financial life. Epstein gave Epstein's sweeping power of attorney, Epstein managed substantial portions of his money. Epstein acquired access to the enormous Manhattan residents, that later became one of the most recognizable locations in the entire scandal. Wexner's business world included Victoria's Secret, and Epstein's name would later become tangled with allegations that he misrepresented his influence over modeling opportunities connected to the brand. Wexner has portrayed himself as a victim of a world-class con man who betrayed him and

1:03allegedly misappropriated enormous sums. Maybe Jeffrey Epstein conless Wexner, but somebody should explain how the con became so intimate and so spectacularly successful. Wexner didn't merely hire Epstein to rebalance a retirement account, he gave him an extraordinary degree of authority. That relationship helped create the appearance that Epstein was a serious financial operator trusted by one of the richest businessmen in America. People noticed that kind of thing. Wealthy people. Notice who other wealthy people trust. Banks notice. Social circles notice. Young aspiring models, notice when a man appears connected to the owner of Victoria's Secret. Epstein's proximity to Wexner wasn't some meaningless decoration that sat in the background. It was usable credibility, and Epstein was very good at turning credibility into access. Wexner can say that he was deceived, but the full history of how Epstein acquired that

2:03position deserves to be ripped apart line by line. And the newer FBI material has only deepened the need for those answers, released investigative documents reportedly placed Wexner under language identifying him as a potential co-conspirator, while also noting that evidence concerning him was limited. He is representatives have stressed that prosecutors later indicated he was not considered a target or a co-conspirator. That doesn't make the earlier investigative interest disappear, it means the government should explain what investigators saw, what they pursued, and why their conclusions developed the way they did. This is exactly the kind of unresolved government record that's poisoned public trust in the Epstein matter. One document says one thing, representatives cite another conversation saying something else, and the public is expected to stitch the story together from scraps. Wexner's connection to Epstein was too important for scraps. If investigators cleared them, show how.

3:04If questions remain, ask them. David Copperfield's appearance on Matt Seas list would have seen bizarre to people years ago, but newly released FBI records made it much harder to brush off. About 2007 FBI memo reportedly described the clear connection between Copperfield and Epstein, investigators were looking at whether further inquiry was needed concerning possible referrals of victims between the men. That's not cocktail party trivia. That's an FBI investigative concern from a period when Epstein's conduct was actively under examination. Johanna Schubert also testified that she encountered Copperfield at a dinner at Epstein's home. She recalled him asking whether girls knew that other girls were being paid to recruit girls. Copperfield has denied wrongdoing and his representatives have disputed descriptions of any close relationship with Epstein, but an FBI memo talking about possible victim referrals is precisely the sort of thing that deserves answers rather than celebrity damage control.

4:09Copperfield has spent a lifetime professionally mastering misdirection, but there should be no misdirection here. Not exactly did federal investigators believe they were seeing in 2007 who provided the information were witnesses interviewed were potential referrals traced did prosecutors receive the findings. Why did that investigative threat apparently go nowhere publicly? Those questions are not answered by saying Copperfield was famous or that he denied wrongdoing. Massie put his name on the house floor because the release government record now contains something far more serious than gossip. The DOJ possesses that underlying material, let it explain what happened. Lapo Elkin is different because of the publicly available materials surrounding him as thinner, but what exists still places him inside Epstein's social world. Correspondence indicates that being familiar and having a relationship that Epstein himself seemed willing to describe as friendship.

5:10Now that alone doesn't tell us what Elkin knew about Epstein's behavior. What it does tell us is that another member of an immensely wealthy and internationally connected family appeared in Epstein's contacts and correspondence. Epstein collected people like this obsessively. He liked recognizable surnames inherited power billionaires royalty CEOs, scientists, politicians, and anyone else who made the room look more impressive when he entered it. The Agnelli Elkin world certainly met that standard. If Massie has seen material that caused him to elevate Elkin beyond social association, then that material needs daylight. Thomas Pritzker's name carries more weight because Virginia was asked about him under oath. Virginia testified that she believed she'd been sent to Pritzker once, while expressing uncertainty about whether there had been additional occasions. Now Pritzker, he denied wrongdoing, but there is something infuriating about how allegations involving billionaires often become frozen in exactly this posture for years.

6:14A woman makes an allegation under oath. The man denies it. Everybody retreats to opposite corners. Then somehow the investigative portion of the process disappears from public view. And I think this is where the government's behavior deserves as much contempt as anybody else's. Virginia named people while describing what she alleged was trafficking operation directed by Epstein and Maxwell. Investigators should have treated every identifiable allegation like a lead to be tested. Establish the date. Establish the location. Pull the travel records. Pull the communications. Identify who was present. Determine whether anything corroborates or contradicts the account. That's police work, not persecution. The fact that some of the men named were wealthy enough to own chunks of corporate America should have made absolutely no difference. When Dubin likewise occupies a long standing place in Epstein's story that cannot be erased by calling everyone an acquaintance. Dubin and his wife, Eva Anderson Dubin, had a relationship with Epstein that extended

7:18across many years. Epstein remained connected to their social world even after his conduct had become a public scandal. Virginia alleged under oath that Clayne Maxwell directed her to provide Dubin with a massage that Roberts understood to involve sex. Dubin has denied the allegation. Maxwell also denied sending Roberts to him. Yet, this is once again a specific allegation from a central accuser. Not somebody on social media, matching names to flight logs. It deserved a serious, investigative response. After 2008, there's no excuse for pretending Jeffrey Epstein was simply an eccentric financier with a complicated reputation. He was a registered sex offender. Anyone who continued allowing him into a social circle made a choice. Maybe they believed his excuses. Maybe they believed the criminal case exaggerated what happened. Maybe they liked him enough that they simply didn't care. None of those possibilities are flattering.

8:19And when that continued, relationship later sits beside a specific allegation from Virginia. Investigators should not be timid about demanding answers. Now Freddie Fokai's name has become considerably more important because Sarah Kellyn brought him directly into congressional testimony in 2026. Kellyn alleged before house investigators that Fokai sexually assaulted her after inviting her to participate in what she said was supposed to be a hair show in Maui. She alleged the hair show did not exist. Fokai has denied the accusation. But Congress did not simply release the allegation and walk away. The oversight committee called for the Justice Department to investigate allegations Kellyn made involving Fokai and others. And that's where this matter stands now. A former Epstein employee and co-conspirator sat before lawmakers and placed a specific accusation into a formal congressional record. I think that deserves a little more than a carefully worded statement from a publicist.

9:22Now when we talk about Frederick Fokai, that connection is big. Because this dude was providing beauty services that appear throughout Epstein's handling of women. Hair appointments, clothes, travel, modeling opportunities, education, gifts, cash, and promises could all become part of the atmosphere surrounding young women who entered his life. Nobody should twist the existence of a haircut into evidence of trafficking. But investigators are not examining one isolated salon appointment. There are examining relationships among people moving through Epstein's world and allegations coming from a woman who worked inside that world for years. Fokai's response can be tested. Kellyn's account can be tested. Records can be subpoenaed where they exist. Witnesses can be interviewed. What can not happen again is another serious allegation involving Epstein landing in a government file and quietly aging into irrelevance. Eduardo Tio Durani-Fabri represents another relationship that becomes difficult to stomach

10:26because it continued into the years when Epstein's criminal history was already public. Release correspondence is shown of familiar relationship involving travel, social plans, and conversations about women. Fabri moved in wealthy European circles and belonged to the extended Agnelli family world. Epstein loved exactly those circles because they gave him what he craved more than almost anything else, entry. The message is reveal a level of comfort that makes it reasonable to ask what Fabri understood about Epstein's appetite for young women. Massie plainly believes the underlying files justify far greater scrutiny. Well, scrutinize them. Go through every introduction, every travel plan, every mention of women, and every visit. The worst possible response is another decade of everybody staring at emails while pretending nobody has authority to ask what they mean. And again, the day matters. Anyone corresponding closely with Epstein after 2008 was corresponding with a man whose

11:28sex offense conviction was not buried in classified indeligence, it was public. People can choose terrible friends. People can choose reprehensible friends. People can convince themselves that a predator has been unfairly treated or has rehabilitated himself. But those choices become relevant when the same correspondence involves discussions about women. Fabri's name shouldn't be turned into a criminal verdict through insinuation. It should be turned into investigative questions. Massie has now demanded exactly that. But the answers be as public as the association became. All right folks, we're going to wrap up episode 2 right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.