Comparing Cena’s Heel Turn to Hogan’s. Plus, Bianca’s Role in Jade’s Attack. | Ringer Wrestling Worldwide

Ben, Khal, and Brian kick off the show by discussing whether or not John Cena’s heel turn was bigger than Hulk Hogan’s in 1996 (1:05). Then, David joins in, and they all discuss the following: Iyo Sky is the women’s world champion (13:47) Jade Cargill attacked Naomi and the role Bianca Belair had in everything (28:22) CM Punk went after his enemies and brawled with Seth Rollins (40:25) In Nostalgia Freakz, they look back at Goldberg’s 23-second win over Kevin Owens in 2017 to become WWE Universal champion (49:55). Then, they go to the Worldwide Hotline and react to calls regarding the best segments of all time and wild-card picks for the United States championship at WrestleMania 41 (64:03). Read David’s new piece on The Ringer, where he details John Cena’s long-awaited heel turn. For an opportunity to have your hot take featured on They Said What?!, leave a voicemail at (202) 417-8160, or drop your Am I the Heel? situations at [email protected]. Be sure to check out our videos on the Ringer TikTok account @RingerWrestling, Instagram Threads, and X. And don’t forget to check out the ’Worldwide' page on The Ringer! Hosts: Ben Cruz, Khal Davenport, and Brian H. Waters Guest: David Shoemaker Producer: Brian H. Waters Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices