Col. Larry Wilkerson: Iran Just Changed the Rules– Preemptive Strikes Are Now Their Default Strategy

0:00Hi everybody, today is Friday September 4th, 2026, and our dear friend, our workers and Eastio with us. Welcome, Aclair. Good to be with you, Neymar, as usual. Larry, let me start with what's going on with the SCO summit and how did you find all these countries coming together, talking? And one of the main concerns on the part of the SCO is how to, because it was mentioned in the joint statement, one of them was the war, one of the main concerns, they want to somehow avoid these endless wars. Considering that region, Eurasia, West Asia, one of the major focus of the SCO, the other point was the sanctions. How did you find it? I think we have, let me back up and say, this is going to go on, has gone on for the last

1:06five to six days, and it's focused on whether you look at a lot of bus stock, you look at St. Petersburg, at Sotchi, you look at Modi and India with the BRICS coming up, there are going to be more and more focused on, among other things, what I call the ASEAN model of comedy, cooperation and collaboration. That ASEAN model has no real substantive security aspect to it, other than most ASEAN members would like to be left alone by states like those that want to persecute them with sanctions and or military power, read the United States of America. That's a huge motivation, I think, in addition to the motivation that is genuine and at the core of it all, which is this inexorable movement that I've talked about with power, and they realize this, after all, many of them live cheek and jaw with it, of movement, monumental,

2:09power movement. I'm not talking so much about the hard power aspects of it, military, it's there, but it's not leading. It's not even in the forefront. That China and its accolades now, I include Iran in that, and I certainly include, I think Putin has made these decisions, even being might have some more things to say about it, but as long as Putin is giving China access to that 53% of the opening Arctic for shipping in a maritime route, I think Putin will have a real house to be in, so to speak, with regard to Beijing, and all these Westerners talking about it, I won't last very long, because China is a traditional and tip-the-for-russia, and they're just playing Putin along. Wrong! This is a genuine movement that is not marked out by military power and sanctions. It is marked out by ASEAN-type comedy, collaboration, and cooperation. China happens to be the magnificent

3:12power of that. I mean that at the center of it, because it is now dwarfed the American Empire, and all elements of power accept perhaps financial control of the world's system, and that's going. Many of these conferences are beginning the conversation, serious conversation, on how to expedite that happening, because they understand their idea of this comedy and collaboration with regard to financial regulation in the world, and with regard to the exchange of goods, with currencies and other things involved, has been stagnated and ruined for them by the American supremacy in that regime, so they're going to take it away, and they're going to form first their own sort of basket of currencies environment. Some of it will be cyber crypto, some of it will be regular paper, some of it might be precious metals and things, but they're going to eventually craft something to completely replace the

4:12post-war war to financial regime, which belongs to us. Of course that is going to deepen and make more of her found the collapse of the American Empire. So that's what this is all about, and it's peaceful, and it's wonderful to watch it developing in its full dimensions, because look at what they're doing. Japan has observers, I'm told, and sometimes even higher than observer status, like Assistant Secretary of Treasury Equivalents, at each one of these conferences, because they finally understand, and here's where I come to what I was telling you off air. An Asian scholar, whose views I respect, just wrote an article, and he used an analogy in that article that I think just sums things up, not just for Dorothy Stasio, but for the world. And he did it very simply by saying Ukraine-Bart and Russia responded. Japan-Bart and China responded. Who taught the dogs to bark, whether the United

5:16States of America, of course? He's absolutely right. And these countries, Japan in particular, in a quandary right now, as I told you, I'm going to talk to them this afternoon, I'll see what kind of quandary they expressed to me, but Japan in particular, but also Western Europe have answered these barks in some ways, deaf ways, Europe in particular. But Japan's answer has yet to be seen. And I don't think the Japanese are going to roll over and play dead and try to stay in the US security relationship, because I think they realize what's happening. And as Japan goes, because the biggest trade partner for Korea, and they have a bark that China yet, I don't think they're going to announce even what they're doing to Japan and the yen and other aspects of Japan that China is really just ruining right now, I think Korea will see the wisdom of eventually saying, get off my peninsula to the Americans. Donald

6:18Trump won't have to say Kim Jong Un is my buddy, and I'm going to take my forces off the peninsula, because South Korea is going to say, get your ass off my peninsula. That's what we're looking at in Northeast Asia, I think. Reality finally striking, and these dogs have barked a little bit too much, and they're beginning to realize who's giving them the dog food and who's provoking them to bark. It's Washington. So that's what we are now, I think. And these conferences are in part a response to that, but mostly what there are is to make it more refined, more powerful, more all-encompassing, the movement that is establishing the East, if you will, as the place to be reckoned with for the next 100, 200 years. And that's what we're fighting so hard, we can't stand this anymore, and I don't mean just Donald Trump and Thune and Johnson and other idiots like that. I mean, there are some powerful oligarchs in this country. I'd say probably a hundred of them with 10 to 12

7:23really counting who are moneyed to the hill, think about them as the Rothchales of the modern era, who are trying to figure out right now, if we're going to succeed in this effort, are we going to fail dramatically in this effort? In which case they're going to jump ship, mark my words, they will go away, they will go somewhere else where there's a haven for their riches, and another country they can exploit. Good luck with China because China has a habit of hanging people like you, and Xi Jinping has been fairly constant and faithful in not only reading himself of Chinese who have this idea, but reading himself of foreigners that have this idea. So good luck on finding your place in the world, you Rothchales of the present age, but that's where we are right now, and on top of all of this, look at the irony, Neema right now, the abject irony of what we've done. We have, through our actions, caused a country that is a tyranny power excellence that had a hand

8:32in the attacks on 9-11 on the United States of America, that is probably in money terms the greatest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, Saudi Arabia, whom we, while we were fighting Iran to prevent them, allegedly, from getting a nuclear weapon, which they have promised in our own intel agencies, have said they aren't pursuing or at least did before. We have prompted Saudi Arabia, and are going to help Saudi Arabia, now to become a nuclear weapon state. At the same time, we're fighting Iran to keep it from becoming ostensibly a nuclear weapons state, and irony of irony is we've prompted Canada to make a statement that maybe it needs nuclear weapons. So look at what we've done, and we did this. This is solely blaming blamed on the United States and the empire that it represents. We've done this. We've made the nuclear weapon situation in the world gravely dangerous, and even more dangerous than it was before, and possibly going to produce several

9:38more states who want nuclear weapons, and ultimately we'll get them in that. The top of that list is the most nuclearized state in the world in many respects, and capable of going to a full up triad, if you will, overnight, and a full up, very powerful nuclear weapons complex, Japan. China would not like that. China would not like that, and we're talking about creating a real dichotomy of interest and a real tension in a region of the world, which has shown the tensions often break out and more, with the help of the empire, of course. I argue if let's assume China and Russia and Iran together, and we know how dependent Japan is on the straight up or most, and during the war we've learned that, and if they decide. Incidentally, one of the main reasons Carter made the statement he made when he made it,

10:41and I think 78 about it being a vital interest, it was not a vital interest for us, and was increasingly not a vital interest for us, but it was for Japan. And that's why Japan has been all along pestering us almost every year about buying oil from around. Japan didn't want to cut off oil from around. Do you think that you mentioned the case of Japan, but there are so much their help to Ukraine and the way they were trying to accommodate somehow to the West position, or the NATO position in Ukraine. Is that going to change? Larry, is that going to, how soon that would be in your opinion, this new understanding to Japanese leadership? I think if this Prime Minister stays on the present track, such as it is, and I'm going to watch a webinar from Stimpson on the 10th of September, I think. That one's on North Korea,

11:44and I'm watching one right before that on Japan. Stimpson has some really good experts on North Korea and Japan too, and generally speaking, 50% of them are Japanese or Korean. And I think this Prime Minister is short-lived if she doesn't get her act together, because I think there are people in Japan who are in the background, if you will, money to people. I won't call them oligarchs, but people who influence, immediately the Japanese, died and ultimately the Prime Minister, who are of several minds right now, and once that jails into a single mind, she's gone. If she doesn't respond to, there was. Larry, the war in the West Asia with the new attacks on Iran and the Iranian response, then Iranian preemptive attacks on Kuwait. Where do you see the war going? Do you see escalation

12:48happening before the midterm elections, or do you feel that Donald Trump tried? Because there was a new report yesterday that Donald Trump is trying to keep the tensions low as, because of the midterm elections. He wants to focus on that, then after the midterm elections, he's going to get back to some sort of military operations in the West Asia. It's really hard to say since I think I learned definitively that the two people in the administration who now dominate his thinking and dominate his production, if you will, including these idiotic things he puts out over the web, or Steve Miller, the deputy chief of staff for policy in the White House, who is far more powerful than his name and title designate. He's far more powerful than Suzy Wilde, for example, chief of staff. And I've been told he's more powerful than anyone in the cabinet, like Marco Rubio or even the Vice President, Fadi Vance, or certainly Higgseth.

13:51I'm told from fairly reliable people, I won't say they're 100% reliable, but and they have their own axiogram and several of them are Biden people. But I'm told that the dilemma in the Pentagon now is becoming so acute that Higgseth's time is numbered, his days are numbered. I would hope so because he is in particularly, particularly he's destroying the army, but he's also got a deleterious effect on all the services across the board. But Miller is number one. No question in these people's mind that Miller is number one, that even Vance and Rubio shy away from contradicting him. And then the other one that surprised me a bit, although then I began to think about it, he was the main architect of Project 25 at Heritage, is Val, the budget director. These two people in very strange places to have this kind of

14:52national security influence are more effective with and more commanding of Trump's attention and direction than any other two people in the administration. I can't figure out what that means in some respect except to look at Project 25 and shutter and then to look at Miller and his past and his rise to power and how he got there and think, good Lord, how mercy. A deputy chief of staff for policy in the White House, I mean this, this kind of power, Nima, equates with the kind of power, if it's, if what I'm being told is accurate, it equates with the kind of power, for example, with a national security advisor, like Zig Bergenski or like Henry Kissinger had over their presence. That's the kind of power I'm talking about. You know, for example, when Kissinger says two weeks before the real meeting on Chile with the director CIA and looking at Santiago and

15:55on the end day and Kissinger says Latin America is not worth more than spit. I mean, that's essentially, that's not, that's a paraphrase, but that's essentially what he said. Two weeks later, he's in the meeting, he's figured out where his president wants to go and he's going to put his power, which was formidable behind his president and does and all of a sudden we have what we had in Chile, a terrible coup that, you know, produced a terrible person and it's terrible roof or Chile for a long time. That's the kind of power I'm being told that Miller and Val have. Val in terms of the project 25 and what it meant and says and anybody who hadn't read that hadn't read that or at least the the kind of executive summary should and Miller because he speaks for the president and with the president's impromotor no matter which direction he speaks in. That's really crude, but I think there's a lot of truth in that. So who knows where we're going to your question. I think you're right.

16:59I think people like Miller and Val and others, they, the advance comes to mind immediately, had Rubio's supery occupied with trying to get rid of Lulu in South America and trying to take over Cuba and trying to take over trying to get something out of Venezuela other than just peanut butter. They have really hit the bottom with Venezuela. I'm told that there were people who were apoplectic when they found out that Venezuela and the oil would cost them probably an exonmobles estimate of $100 billion just to get to the point where they could get a bit of oil out of there that was usable. And no one has the refineries other than Putin to deal with this kind of oil because Putin has some of this oil too in Russia and so he has the capacity to deal with. So look for some phone calls to Putin maybe over this because did you see diesel this morning? It is not going to stop there. Diesel right out here outside my house was over $5 and I guarantee you it's headed towards

18:05eight or nine. And we're talking about a lack of jet fuel in critical categories and a lack of diesel at a time when for example the US wheat production is estimated to be down considerably and this is because of some mistakes we made in the farming community but mostly due to weather at least that's why I understand it. And we're not going to get any wheat out of Ukraine and we're not going to get any wheat out of Russia because Russia has said no chip into the North Africa where people are starving and needed not going to ship to anybody else. Okay guess what the price of wheat is going to do and the price of bread and things they go along with it. So we're just seeing the beginning of what we have done to ourselves and what Iran very astutely with its strategy is augmenting and deepening and could augment and deepen a lot further. They finally get that I think at the Pentagon and they get it in the White House now. That would say your analysis is probably true.

19:09My poll ratings are through the floor. I'm the most despised president in American history certainly since World War II. I have no following left except the core of my MAGA group and even that is beginning to splinter a bit. I'm literally looking at maybe losing one house significantly and possibly losing two houses in the midterms if I don't cheat majorly and bring the bear force on some of the battleground states and I'm preparing for that by the way and Higgs F is all for that which is one of the things that might keep him around through the election at least because he's willing to do all this. So you're right I think Trump would like to put this on a back burner. It's done what he wanted to do with a very critical issue which is get rid of Epstein. When have you heard about Epstein of late? It's all Iraq now or Iran or it's other elements of that conflict or it's Ukraine. You don't hear about Epstein anymore and that was a significant debacle for Trump.

20:16Like Clinton and Monica Lewinsky and his 90s or some days against Serbia and a war that didn't need to be all mostly to get the nation's attention of the Monica Lewinsky scandal domestic politics again impacting national security. In this case it's impacting a very frenzied situation inside the United States. So we have to wait to see how this unfolds but I'm going to be a pessimist and tell you that I think it's going to be a disaster and Trump is trying to prevent that now. A prize of it probably mostly by JD Vance but also John Thun and I don't know if Mike Johnson is seized of this in the way he should be. Mike Johnson would love for JD Vance to step down so he would be number two in the queue because I think he anticipates Trump won't make it through another two years medically mentally and so forth. I don't think he will either. So all these factors are playing right now and they're playing with the empire at a time when the empire's power is receiving at a

21:21rate that is startling even to someone like me who's predicted it all along. What do they know Larry in your understanding what is the assessment on the power of Washington as time goes by and Iran is using the other day I was listening again to Donald Trump basically what he's talking about we've destroyed Iran in Air Force, Iran in Navy which we know at least 12 times he's destroyed him at least 12 times. But the question is Iran is fighting in the region is fighting with missiles and drones. They have never brought about their Air Force or their Navy. Don't forget mine. Mine's have a mistake all their own. I don't know if I've talked to you in depth about this. I can't remember I've done so many podcasts but mine warfare is something that people just do not understand professional military people even don't understand it.

22:22All you need is the specter of mines. One or two hitting a ship that's all you need and you don't have to put another mine in the water because insurers want insurers and shippers want ship not until you assure them that every inch of that water they're going to float through it very slow speeds is for your mines and that's extremely difficult to do. When we did the petroleum disruption exercise in Beijing in 2009 one of the biggest impediments to restarting everything if you will was the people there representing the Lloyds of London and AIG and others who played their parts right. Shippers don't ship unless you can assure them that there are no mines. Now it was easier in 2009 the time of that simulation because we had a very powerful Navy at that time still and we could guarantee that things would be cleaned up fairly rapidly and the

23:23Iranians in this case didn't have that much capacity in order to al-Qaeda to keep mining and to keep the fright in everybody's mind. Ain't true now it simply isn't true whether you're using surface mines like the Old World War II probes you know or what that's the one that hit our ship and we had to tell our all the way back to Norfolk Blue Hill Interest big as a kitchen sink. A DDG is our call. When you look at this from the perspective of what mine warfare once initiated does in comparison for what its potential is actually it far exceeds that and they've they've established that now that that's been established there's no one who can ever for time to come until Iran says guarantee there's nothing in the water to hit your ship. So they've established not only that mystique over the Persian Gulf and its entryways but also they've done enormous

24:26damage and you know I found this out this morning too Barry McAfry revealed it I think it was very I was listening to it about 4 a.m this morning. What they've done what we've done but they've done because of what we ordered to do is all the commercial satellite people have shut down and aren't giving anybody the satellite imagery of what happened in Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and other places. If you could see that that that video is what the general was saying you'd know how much damage and how many deaths and wounds Iran has inflicted on not just Jordan not just Kurdistan not just Kuwait and Qatar and Bahrain Bahrain Bahrain has been devastated but you'd see how many casualties they'd created for us. Huge casualties and we're not reporting them. Not only are we blocking commercial satellite images of the damage

25:29and such we are also hiding the casualties. They're using different missiles Larry. Last time I talked with Professor Postal he said all of these missiles that you see they have those fins with with the warhead and they're maneuverable. There's difficult to be intercepted. This guy better shake on or how do you say it the castle breaker I read all the dimensions the range the altitude at which it makes its decision or decisions then the altitude at which it disperses its munitions the speed it comes in with we cannot defend against this. That's what's got to Pentagon up in arms. I mean you got people in the Pentagon now admitting this they're admitting it without attribution but they're admitting it they're admitting it to the Wall Street Journal they're

26:31admitting it to the Washington Post we cannot bring these missiles down except largely by accident. One of the problems is we don't have enough to saturate the air you know fire 20 patriots up there and hope one of me it's the other problem is the capabilities and the speed and the maneuverability of this missile and the other thing I'm told I don't know if this is true you ain't seen nothing yet they have more and better and the other aspect of this particular missile according to the Wall Street Journal I think it was and maybe some others some people from the Pentagon is it's very very quick on the ground as I say you don't have to do very much you mount the trestle or the you pull the elevation mechanism up I assume off a truck bed you fire and you hide that's about it

27:31most everything else is self-contained now a lot of this is being attributed to China frankly this is state of the art stuff and people were saying including some of these analysts that this this is mainly due to technology shared with the Iranians be a China but also augmented and indispecably so by Chinese over it because that's what they're guiding it with that's what they're at this point in time from what I heard they are untouchable in that regard now they're working on it they're trying to figure out a way to go after that link but so far they've been unsuccessful and that link is to a Chinese satellite they said this particular missile that you mentioned they call it castle breaker or in Persian they call it rebar shakan it means it it goes to yeah the latest version of it which was produced in 2023 if I'm not

28:37mistaken it goes to the range of it is 2000 kilometers at least officially that was mentioned 900 statured miles on this one that they've used on Jordan Kuwait, Mahrain, Saudi Arabia, Prince Sultan Air Base 900 statured miles is what I'm doing and that may be because they want a fast or firing so they don't put as much propelling in it because it takes a few minutes you know to do that so they want to quick out of the cave whatever it is up fired fuel it fired so that might be why it's less than a thousand kilometers now or less than a thousand miles now that was statured miles so roughly a thousand statured miles and the other thing they tell me about that not just the maneuverable warhead and satellite guided but it was the one that they used with devastating success on Fakka Salty I guess you say that King of St Air bases in Jordan and this

29:41was all a response and they used this missile exclusively some drones went into to the US attack on Larry Alon I think that's pretty good until we have a photo of that Larry here you see they hit you know the Prince has an air base on September 1st you see the runway and the hangar the guys who had seen the guys who had seen the photographs of the Jordanian base said it was extraordinary because what happened in some cases was real time direction in the last three minutes of flight so in other words the satellite or something detected that the target hadn't moved or was enclosed somewhere where we didn't you know they didn't know and they directed in the last moments of flight the missile to change and it hit the target zero on

30:47I mean this is really incredible when you figure out how fast it's moving and how far it's travel and the fact that you can maneuver it via this satellite in seconds just short of the target if the target has moved or is not quite where you think it was and they have video that they can demonstrate this with I'm told and this is this was being reported in the Wall Street Journal Washington Post in New York Times other places too there were two attacks on Jordan in the last three days the first one we've seen the interceptors going up they have used for Iran set Iranians said that they have fired 12 missiles stored Jordan and for these 12 missiles they have fired 87 interceptors to then Donald Trump came out and said nothing

31:50has happened the you know one or two missiles hit the target and nothing of importance has happened the question is the question is is that his lie or is that what he's being told I think it's the letter I think hexeth is lying to him that means probably Kane is lying to him too that's dangerous that's extremely dangerous I mean I saw that with regard to Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction the second attack Larry you see nothing happening in Jordan basically no interceptors the muscles going in and hitting the target and nobody's talking about it they shot him up they probably shot him up that's it no more left I think Israel's in that vote too I think Israel's being very

32:51boastful about what he can do cats for example we'll bring such pee on Iran if Iran attacks us again we're going to do what we want to do in Lebanon by God and if Iran attacks us again we're going to destroy them we're going to destroy them he's only going to destroy them and metaphorically speaking if he uses them for weapons because he ain't got anything left to defend himself with and if he does something short of nuclear weapons you know hundred planes strike or whatever I don't think they can do that because I don't think he has the jet fuel to do that but were they to do that Iran would devastate them so I don't know what they're talking about nothing how increasingly is convincing me he's ready to use nuclear weapons and cats and all the rest of them too yesterday he said that he wants to do regime change in Iran banjamin adni yes right dream on dude David Borne has already been proven so badly wrong this morning how

33:59rats had a headline that I love it said you think Netanyahu is bad baby Netanyahu is bad you should see his wife that was that was not some headline in our answer I don't know Larry if you saw the video that Ben Givir published and there it's it's so much outbreak the video is unbelievable when you look at the content of that video here is what he published yeah what does that what does that remind you of what does that remind you of it reminds me of Treblinka Auschwitz the Kyle that's the Nazis putting the Jews through the door with the chamber waiting for them behind it

35:06Ben Givir has got to be I mean he is a freaking born again Nazi criminal and smote it's just as bad as he is I read a headline the other day just inadvertently picked it up I think it was another it was might have been the Jerusalem poster some other paper they're just reporting they tend to report a little better on the domestic scene because they're not controlled by Netanyahu so much on the domestic scene but one of the things that reported was that in the year before Ben Givir was the head of you know all the national security domestic security on that there were 100 murders in that year in Israel there were 300 this past year with Ben Givir in charge so that's what's happening on the streets of Israel with Ben Givir in charge and he loves it apparently I didn't look at the breakdown of deaths in these murders but I would almost bet you many have more Palestinian Arabs there were talks between the the people who are in power in Syria

36:15and Israelis it seems that all those talks have failed so far because Israel is asking them or you know to or let's put it this way they want Israel to withdraw from Syria but Israel's conditions with the off from Syria is just unacceptable for even for a jolani no and these people around him I think they're basically asking Turkey to leave or to just get out of Syria and they're asking for a governor or for a you know the head of Syria would be a governor or a mayor of Syria with no capabilities with no power with nothing and they're going to stay there to you know they they're going to keep the buffer zone as they call it in Lebanon they call it the buffer zone they go in country and where do you see that Larry how well everybody knows on the other end of the

37:17power if you will that the buffer zone that Israel establishes in a country like that Syria, Lebanon, whatever I suspect it's coming for Jordan too if we let it go on it's just a jumping off place for the war they're going to start as soon as they feel it's conducive to their interests and take your hold down country that's the real plan that's the real plan and every now and then you'll hear people like cats and bingiveer and smotritch and others let that out of the bag you heard it coming and it wasn't just campaign rhetoric from some of the people who were trying to beat Netanyahu or even worse than he and what they believe particularly about Palestinians but what they believe about greater Israel and it's written to take over everything from Turkey to Africa as far in as the Sudan I mean that is the greater Israel project and it includes everything in between including Iraq Jordan and Egypt and I think there are people in Israel people of

38:21consequence at the present time made partly that by us and the money who believe that and want that and are going to pursue that come hell or high water and hope their children pursue it if they die in the process that's what dealing with we're dealing with a colonial state that has a colonial mindset that is perfectly happy creating a holocaust for the Palestinians much like the one they themselves experienced and they're some interesting psychology and in a grandizing as much territories they possibly can including portions of Turkey this is all in their plan and they think they're proceeding a pace people like bingiveer and smotritch they think they're proceeding a and I'm sad to say a lot of the people that we call members of the Kinesh are the same

39:22Is there Larry looking at Israel today let's assume where do you see that grand strategy because you see Israel right at the new partnership they have with Greece and you know the tensions between Greece and Turkey recently there was a meeting between the Turkish representative and the Greece representative they talked to each other and they tried to you know to resolve the issue between the two countries that's part of the game but the way that Israel is going to Greece and they were mentioning that they want to solve air defense system to Greece I don't know what sort of air defense is so that it's going to be iron dome after we make them you know you should have Dennis Fritz on again he I don't know if you'll talk about it in great detail he can't break confidence is but he was invited to a meeting where they talked about in

40:24words that concepts that really stunned him I mean he was associated with space command for a long time and other aspects of the Air Force broader mission if you will and they talked about the golden dome for us with Greg relish this is going to be a money pot par excellence this is going to be a superb defense this is going to be the future and he was stunned he was and he'll he'll say that on air but he won't go much further than that but he will tell you that it was very very difficult for him to sit through this briefing listen to these people talk to why they were talking so you've got the same thing apparently in the US Air Force you have and you've just suggested in Israel that hey man technologies are barely we we can do anything just come with us and we'll protect you and by the way after we've protected you we'll take over your country

41:31in this business of stirring up all age-old animosities between Cyprus Greece Turkey is right out of massage game bag I mean they learned it I I used to think that the Israelis taught CIA I think it's the other way around I think CIA taught massage and to a certain extent SIS or MI6 they call it now in Britain there was a reason the CIA station chief sent cable after cable back to Langley right after World War II and protested mightily I think he was in Beirut that the enemy Langley is not Russia I can count on my one hand the Russian agents who are prowling my streets in my country the enemy is Britain trying to reclaim its empire hmm guess who Britain turned that over to after they got bombed in the King David hotel

42:34they turned it over to the terrorist terrorist who were founding Israel you don't want to do history on the Levant Britain comes out terribly and we come out now in particular even worse how do you see the rules today Larry with the manipulation that is happening with considering the Kurdish people the Kurdish people are in Syria in Turkey in Iran in northern part of Iraq and we know that Masad is so much involved in that where do you see the cooperation between MI6 and Masad together I think you probably got a concerted effort to I won't go as far as to say overthrow the regime in anchor but I will go as far to say overthrow the regime in anchor and have the

43:34Kurds be the people who do that and in my military estimate of that if you will after having worked somewhat with the Peshmerga and particularly the Kurds in northern Iraq but also a little bit in Syria is that be careful what you wish for you might get it if you unite the Kurds and unite them significantly enough to change the regime in anchor not only are you inviting a civil war in Turkey that will be fierce and furious may backfire on you ultimately so it's I don't think this is going to happen because the Kurds are the last people in the world I think they can be united they simply don't have leadership that's interested in being united they are interested in making money they're interested in their own fiefdoms in northern Iraq they're interested only in the Peshmerga as the element of security if you will they can be controlled

44:37and it's a pretty it's a pretty for for militaries in the region or you know security elements in the region it's not bad much better than say the Iraqi state military not a lot but better and I just don't think you're going to unite them so I think that's a fool's there and for Israel that won't stop them for message look at what Marneas said what Marneas said apparently to Trump was it'll take about a week in the regime will collapse that's from Assad I'm sure he didn't crawl out of the limb and say that as his own individual self he was taking the considered opinion of those that he trusted and that were working on the situation in Mossad so there's bad as CIA in terms of predicting real outcomes how could you make such a mistake and be such a faunted intelligence agency well read Philip

45:41Knightley's book the second oldest profession and look at the mistakes colossal mistakes CIA SIS MI6 Mossad the French equivalents look at the mistakes they've made and just grown bigger and more moneyed in the process I mean those stakes are just awesome were were one more were two Korea the situation's the empire has been in since then which is about 12 separate hot wars if you want to look closely including things like the Libya CIA has been they've prospered even when they were dead wrong they prospered because they have developed ways to shift the blame they've developed ways to shoot back at the politicians and get them to suffer some of the blame and they develop ways to keep on going and to cover their own tracks

46:46and to cover their own mistakes that book is a jewel Philip Knightley's book the second oldest profession you know horrors prostitutes the world's oldest profession have more honor than CIA MI6 MI5 Mossad foreign concept to them is honor foreign concept to them really is accuracy in the intelligence that they supposedly produce what is their main preoccupation by far is covert operations covert operations that many times they fund in addition to government funding on their own like they did with the conserves in Nicaragua where they sold drugs all over the place in order to take the revenues and finance their operations against the sandinesis which almost got wrong Reagan impeached

47:47and that's what we're dealing with now big time in both Ukraine and in the Levant I really think that c17 that Ratcliffe flew to Russia at coffins on it or was picking up coffins that had CIA and possibly even American military in them coming back to clandestinely to America for whatever burial ceremonies they will have I guarantee that it won't be public if it was I think Putin killed some Americans in those strikes that were very pinpoint and on facilities in Ukraine that he knew how's NATO NATO member members actually working with Ukraine and I think he's going to hit more if if this doesn't shut down pretty quickly was Zelensky making pronouncements like he did about civil aviation somebody's going to take him out

48:50I mean this is this is piracy this is tyranny this is I mean you can't invent a term for this somebody that would say I'm going to use drones and shoot down any civil aircraft that flies over Russian territory within the range of my drones so don't anybody fly over Russia this is next level al-Qaeda ISIS absolutely absolutely you couldn't do better at al-Qaeda I mean Ben Ben Laden would be cheering this is good stuff I'll put a fought while we've learned that the word cup and judge cushion are going to go to Russia to talk with Russians do you see anything happening with Donald Trump Donald Trump is so the guy is just repeating insult over and over again talking about the lensky and Putin they don't like each other they hate each other you can from you can believe how much they hate each other this is the same thing

49:57that he was telling us you know in January 2025 and repeating over and over and you see Zelensky is getting more radical the attacks on civilians where do you see Larry do you think it's putting the United States side this is a region that is of major concern for Europeans and for Russians and since the war started I was asking over and over to my guests including yourself if Ukraine would finally end up being an ISIS form of you know forces or destabilizing force in the region it seems that they're heading toward that point I think the Nazis amongst them who are quite prolific the Banderra local likes if you will are just that and I think that's the route they'll take even if if there is a reasonably enforceable peace agreement whatever it might be 10 years in the longevity thereof or whatever I think they will continue to perpetrate as much as

51:01they possibly can in the way of criminal activities on Russia I think Putin knows that too which is one reason why he wants to have a real hand in crafting whatever is the agreement and make sure that that is not a latent possibility in a way that he can't handle because he knows it's going to happen he knows it's going to happen I mean these are the people who were harassing and killing the Russians and in the Donbass and elsewhere in Ukraine where they were stealing their ability to teach Russian in the schools and so forth these are the same characters and Zelensky now represents them and I think that's maybe it's a part of his personality and who he is but I think it's a forced relationship right now because he's desperate he's absolutely desperate he knows he's beaten he knows Ukraine is beaten he knows his rep goes out the door tomorrow morning when this all becomes clear and the Europeans are so feckless that they're still putting forward 90 90 billion

52:05I think it is euros towards an account he can draw on and so this these people were insane particularly Germany France and Britain they're they're insane I got to run because I got another okay event before I go downtown with the job thank you Larry thank you so much for being with us today great pleasure as always I'm a miss Larry I hope you're saving a good time yeah he's he's on his way yeah boy it must be that must be a hell of a flight at least the judge flew first class you know good lord I can't imagine what that cost all that distance first class 20 hours in the air it's difficult thank you thank you thank you Larry bye bye