Clay Harbor gets us ready for Bears season (Hour 4)

0:00Gunn South has been a podcast about crime in the American South, but for our new season we're widening the lens Follow and listen to Gunn South season 5 available now on Apple podcasts Spotify or wherever you get your shows What times I actually saw a clock over Time for play harbour Lane from Wimbley Stadium 90,000 sold out crowd London and for some reason my heart's beating getting out of a limo to go Dates and girl that what's first off what's wrong with you football analyst for Chicago sports network Fulmer NFL play not a quarterback. I'm a tight end, but I've watched a lot of tape I've been in meeting rooms with Tom Brady Been in meeting rooms with Drew breeze. I've been in meeting rooms with Michael Vick Quarterbacks know what they can do and what they can't do and I know what a quarterback can and can't do and when you're supposed to Expect them to be able to be successful play harbour with high and pain on 104 3 the score Welcome back happy Thursday morning. You're listening to Holland Peyton Chicago sports radio 104 3 the score

1:00Jared Peyton David Hall here until 10 o'clock and we are pleased to welcome in my colleague from the Chicago sports network Man about town and a guy who does a little bit of everything on a lot of different teams play harbour Hey Clay thanks for having me and I got a little bone to pick. I don't know if that was Dustin But I thought we're done with the bachelor you know entrance here man, you know come on We tell me it was fine. He was okay. It's okay Yeah, you got a bracelet. Yeah, I've been trying to run away from this thing for probably I was 10 years now since I did it, but no, it's fine. It's fun. Well, we get like new now We can get like color analyst work on northern Illinois football right and I you football baby. Let's go Huskies Let's go. Yeah and Illinois State and I SU campaign rise a lot of games Yeah, National runner up so I want you to keep checking how many games you call this year because you're gonna be a lot of them and then the state championships This year for the IHSA as well. You're a busy guy, but you also are immersed in Bairdom So you know what's going on at House Hall and this week

2:01I would call it a saga and it's ongoing and we've talked about it before on the big pro football show And the Kyla Gordon saga took another turn on Wednesday When he released a video of him working out and looking fit and Cutting and doing things and showing explosiveness in a way that doesn't depict a player who is injured or even hurt clay the That seemed to be to me early in the show I called it a middle finger to the bears who a day earlier had Ryan polls essentially call him out publicly and label him soft What did you think of what Paul said and the way that yesterday Kyla Gordon responded? I Think this is Kyla Gordon sending some form of a message I'm not sure what that message is because if you're healthy You would figure that he would be ready to play so it's it's interesting It's something it's a mess. You got to decipher it's like a code message. I don't know what he's trying to send JP because

3:05Obviously the bears need him at slot and slot is one of a five to rank my top positions on the bears roster that I'm worried about right now It's slot corner. Okay. I think Malik Muhammad is going to have a good career You got to realize this guy played 95% of his snaps at Texas and outside corner You guys know how difficult that is to move inside the NFL and he's he's gonna take time I hope I hope bears fans give him that it's gonna take time for him to become a good professional slot cornerback I think don't think him in that he played a little bit in there He's he's you see the range you see the speed you see he's picking up things in his man-to-man coverage this preseason It has not looked good. So that is a position that they really do need help if Kyla Gordon's healthy You're gonna want to put him there. We all remember Dennis sounds opening press conference when he comes here I'm looking forward to to see Kyla Gordon this guy can do a lot of things. He plays in the run game He's physical he can cover. I don't understand the message. He's trying to send he does look healthy Obviously there's a big big difference between posting an Instagram video running and playing football, but

4:09It's it's confusing and I think there's just a really big disconnect between the team and him But Clay my It's hard. How do you kind of mend this this fracture that's between the player and the organization? Because when you listen to Ben Johnson talk, it's like I don't know that guy and to me there has to be some type of trust Factor here the bears are hoping to trust him and at the moment. They just can't trust him at the moment Yeah, exactly JP He's gonna have to to build some trust. He's gonna have to get out there He's gonna have to start practicing. He's gonna have to show that he's bought in that he's willing to do whatever it takes to get on the field And I don't think that's something that he's willing to do and he's one of these guys It looks like he has these outside Trainers and you know you get into trouble when you work with these outside trainers because they might see things differently than the training staff that this organization pays a lot of money to make sure that these players are ready to go are okay

5:10And they will tell you when they are ready to go there's a lot of money invested here There's a lot of imaging. There's there's a bunch of stuff that goes on here And when there's a disconnect it makes the the GM and the coach really really concerned I've heard this before in guys that I do know where they do have that outside Outside team that's working but that outside team is working hand in hand with the team at Hallis Hall That's not doesn't seem like it's going on That's not happening and that's that's the problem not only is the that it's an issue between the his team and Has he made a place for it's also between him and his organization. I just don't see how that fixes I don't see clay you spent nine years in the NFL. I just wonder how common that divide is among players who I know you played several years ago, but I think in the last 20 and I've covered the bears for the last 23 I can remember this as far back as 2006ish sevenish there were players who had their own

6:12teams and their own people they trusted and then they had to integrate that with the teams training staff So there's going to be conflicts of interest and maybe But seldom do you see it gets at this point where it's played out as publicly as this has become It's strange and when you when you hear polls saying I don't know if he's going to play for us again this year I hope and then you see cattergordon post a video like that That's a huge disconnect because to me that video looks like he's at least close polls are saying I don't know So for me it feels like there is something else going on here that I don't think we know I'm not sure exactly what that is if it's just the confidence in his body if he If it's just he thinks he's more injured than the bears do that seems like something that that this is really Been blown out of per out of out of proportion if that's the case So for me, I feel like there's got to be something else going on here because firstly JP as you know NFL coaches and gms if a player is injured they don't they don't give you a lot of grief for this

7:13You they know this is a physical sport. This is tough players are going to get injured They're not going to go out and say hey you got to get on food They're going to let you get back But the disconnect happens when maybe he's not doing the recovery right Maybe he's going somewhere else and he doesn't feel like he's at a point to where the team does What it seems to me Said he doesn't want to be here That's what it seems to me. I mean just flat out honest Because if you did you would you would be back you would be around more I just Doesn't seem like he wants to be here, but okay. I get all that understand defensive line though has changed a little bit And so you you have some you got band and bird six round pick you have some undrafted guys They got rid of dr. Vandexter you kind of saw that meaning that Ryan Poles felt good about the guys that he actually has inside of that room moving forward What was your take on dexter's departure to Atlanta and the guys that you've seen that are still in that room Hey, it's Jen hatmaker. Here's what I've learned in midlife joy isn't the reward you earn after all the work is done

8:18Joy is the work That's what this new series on for the love is all about the sacred Yes, it's choosing delight rest and pleasure on purpose because saying yes to yourself That's the thing that finally lets you fill your table with everybody else come find your sacred yes with me follow and listen to for the love wherever you get your podcasts I get both sides of this take and I don't mean David went at a little bit on the big pro football show Which makes sense you got a guy that has played a lot of football for you at six acts last year five sex the year before And he's guys got good pass rush. I look at dexter. He's big. He's six foot six. He's a good look He's that first dude off the bus tie issues standing up He's got a little wiggle too or he can get that pass rush to get him one on one You know what he can't do at six foot six He can't stop the run when you're six six inside there. It's hard for you to leverage and just watching this year's preseason tape I posted a couple clips on X Of dr. Vandexter getting pushed over five six seven yards on a double team

9:21He doesn't anchor as well is loving or Van and Burke he doesn't can tavey street even novel galimore That's not what he does he does other things good But he can't anchor the same way these guys can so that makes him a lot You know makes it so he doesn't fit Dennis. I don't scheme. I told David this I think maybe on the day that it happened It was more of his pad level you look at the other guys that you name they get off the ball of pad level is low The one thing with dexter always came up too high Which goes to your point getting pushed back a little bit and when let's guys put their hands on your chest and your numbers to move you back Guys, he was I get it. He wasn't a Good run stuff or necessarily because he didn't have the body type I get it that there were times where he wasn't the all pro caliber Probo caliber defensive tackle that you wanted to see I guess I pushed back a little at you clay on the big pro show was because Number one he did show up every Sunday number two He's a second round draft pick that you are

10:24discarding dismissing giving up on And the number three thing is that you don't have You're not dealing from a position of strength I understand that they like their depth. I understand they want to come at the teams and waves But when you have a position group where you can add a six round draft pick and an undrafted free agent and a journeyman In contavia street who is on his fifth NFL team and you're happy with that Okay, good luck, but I do think there's some risk involved in getting rid of a player that was as durable as As javon dexter was last season This is this is why I like this. This is because they they are watching the film and the tape and they're saying I don't care who you are. I don't care where we drafted you Does this make Ryan polls look good? You think he wants to get rid of javon dexter? The last thing he wants to do is have Chicago say you just got rid of your second round pick you can draft anybody That's that's why I'm laughing over here with a smile on my face Because you know what it's a new regime

11:24And the big dog upstairs Ben Johnson he's watching going Snap what I want you just demoted Ryan polls. I'm just I'm just saying if we're gonna give I believe in my heart He's the one making someone making all the money. He's the one probably making all the decision He wants now when you put it that way. I will I will say this You don't get the sense in watching javon dexter even though we did show up 19 times that he has it same sort of maniacal focus That Ben Johnson brings exactly. He is not that same type of guy. And here's my jaden loving story. I told you guys. I was gonna tell you um You know I go to lifetime fitness downtown Chicago. I didn't know that I mean you never talk about your workouts. JP this sure isn't that tight. I'm just my arm is big Okay, you know this is just you know, I'm saying I can't This is a real story Couple days ago. I think was it yesterday was a two days ago. I'm on the treadmill I'm doing my normal treadmill walk. I walk uphill. I do uphill forward and I go flip backwards for a minute I do this for 30 minutes. It's tough cardio if you guys are looking to get in shape out there try it out

12:29But here's the funny part. I'm walking in my forward session. I turn around I flip on the treadmill to do my backwards session I just see a big body on the on the stairmaster right behind the treadmill It's jaden loving on the bear's off day Strenched in sweat. This is true story that yesterday two days ago. I'm getting old on the stairmaster on the bear's off day in lifetime fitness Getting extra work in on the stairmaster. I did like a quadruple take and he looks at me like I'm crazy I just pretend like I didn't see him. I'm like that's dead loving and I go and ask my boy from lifetime He's a trainer Josh. I was a Joshua Josh. Do you know who that is? He goes yeah, that's jaden loving a kid from the bears I go okay. I'm not crazy. That's the type of guy that says this is an off day You just make the bear team do you ask him to work out too? No, I was just impressed I left him alone, but that's the type of worker that you want if you're the bears and to go back to decks are real fast Okay, David said he's not good against the run Okay, I obviously I can tell you but this add some context JP

13:30Prof. Paul focus David loves him. I know it's not the end all be all He had a 44 run defensive grade that was when 108 out of 134 qualifying Interior defensive line and he's dang near on the back of the of the boat there This guy was not good at the run and then let's look at the bear's rushing numbers They gave up 134 rushing yards of game 27th in the NFL five yards of carry. What's two runs of five yards of carry? That's a first down 2019 the league a 29 runstop win rate which is 27th in the NFL rushing the passers-of-privilege if you even want to rush the passer you can give up five yards of carry So give me some guys that can clog some holes and a lot of defensive line play comes down to Desire, I mean you need to have the traits you need to have the strength You have to have the leverage and all the technique. I get it But you have to to begin with have the mentality and maybe that's what is the most inditing thing about Jaland Dexter is that they in in essence

14:35Labelled him by trading him a guy that doesn't meet the standard that way. Yeah That's how it looks it looks that way and that they believe in all these guys and to believe in a guy like Grady Jared that's gonna be there and actually be serviceable for an entire year which you're asking a lot of a guy that has a lot of miles on him Look at all the guys that Ben Johnson has brought in they're all the same type of players They're maniacal football players. It's like he said if you take football away from the guy these guys What else are they gonna do and like Dennis Allen sent his press conference yesterday? I guess effort is a talent and you look at loving you look at Van and Berg you look at even James Lynch They cut they bring him back these guys were given all types of effort James Lynch not the most talented guy He say that I see him. He said you say that. He said absolutely talent That sounds like a billboard or a t-shirt. It should be and James Lynch line up at nine technique I see him at six. I see him at three. I see him at nose I go how are you gonna get rid of this guy who's giving you effort? He's pressuring you he just gives you a lot of versatility

15:36So I know people haven't heard of Neville galmore they haven't heard of Contavia street Obviously Van and Berg's becoming a folk hero already in Chicago but When you see these guys effort their pad leverage their stance their get off It was much better than Jervon Dexter and guess what he was on a contract next year He wasn't even a b here. So let's get a fifth round pick Let's get a cornerback that can maybe help in the slot Even though he's never played slot in the NFL. I looked up the numbers He's played like 10 total snaps NFL. He played in college. That's a different game When you play slot in the NFL first college I get that but they're gonna pick on you But would you feel more comfortable having that instead of going with a rookie? Yeah, because he's actually had some experience in last year I think he played in one game because he torn his triceps or his pack or something like that So you're it's some give and take here, but he is a guy turned on a little film Phillips I think he's got good short area quickness He's a guy that you could you see the traits where we could play inside. He's five nine He's probably a little small for outside But he makes up for it with his competitiveness and that's what the bear is like

16:38Alright, so we heard from Dennis Allen yesterday and obviously the defensive line is full of guys that are either Overachievers or they like the mentality you we know what he thinks about Jalen Johnson because I thought that his compliments were Intentional and also I think they probably landed very well on a player that every now and then doesn't mind hearing house How much he's needed as a leader and in that secondary? Where are you on Monta Sweat? How realistic is it to expect him to take a step forward this year and Increases sack production. You've seen him in preseason. Yeah, I training camp Where where's Monta Sweat? They haven't even told me the same thing about Monta Sweat for the last three years since we've been working together And I think Monta Sweat is a solid Good solid professional ed rusher. He's gonna set the edge He's gonna give you some sacks. He's not a guy that you really have to double team chip in and they if you watch it Take people say oh he's getting chip because there's nobody else in he's not you're not double team and you're not shipping them Not even sliding to him that much

17:40If I turn the film I mean, I you know watching it like a tight end and I see sweat I go okay He's solid, you know if I turn in the film I see micro Parsons I turn in the film I see Miles Garrett I turn in the film I see some it's not even close right? So I think sweat is a solid defensive end ed rusher He's a guy that I think is sealing his 10 sacks. I think you can get there solid ed rusher six foot six long arms We know Dennis Allen likes those big guys that can tie their shoes standing up But he is not a guy that is gonna carry a defensive line group To a bunch of sacks. He's gonna be a solid ed rusher. All right We got to talk about tight ends because the tight end in residence is in the building clay harbor here From the Chicago sports network and big profile show we'll get to more of the roster more of the bears keep it right here on Hawn Peyton Chicago sports radio 104 three the Have you ever felt like you were living just a B or B plus life He's so dangerous to live that more dangerous than a B minus or a C plus life because when you're living a B or B plus life

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19:47Jaden loving is an example of that, but I think as you pointed out before Before the uh break They have a defensive line and full of guys like that because that's what they were seeking and ultimately They're gonna have a roster full of guys like that because that's what they're going to want Yeah, and I think Going back to my football career and David you at Ball State JP you and NFL in college like for me the hardest guys I played against the guys that hated going against were those effort guys the guys that got the pad leverage The guys that got underneath you the guys that were relentless it didn't stop you knew your buckle up your chin strap And those were gonna be some hard days like I know there There's talented guys you play against me say you're probably gonna give you a few tough reps But I would rather play against that guy than the guy that you know is just bring it 100 percent Every single play and here's the other two other two things About these defensive tackles Jordan vandenberg jaden loving. I don't know how they got where they were Because you know you watch their film

20:47These guys are players on the field JP you can see so many traits athleticism Then I go and I look up everybody knows about Jordan vandenberg his razz relative athletic score the second best out of 2300 combine Invites for defensive tack why look up loving I go this guy's got to be pretty good too He's 18th all time this guy at 310 pounds ran a 478 40 a 162 10 which is insane 33 reps of bench press had a 35 inch vertical at 310 pounds jumped 93 in the broad jump in a 715 that's a tight end That's a wide receiver running that that three cone These guys are freak athletes with size and they give effort though the right type of guys You talk about in the film room. They're picking things up Why would you even think about getting rid of young guys like that that you have control of for four years? Yeah, you want to you want to be a good team Your practice is better be harder than the games

21:48Just very very simple every place that I've ever played Where practice it doesn't matter the talent that you had but you want guys giving maximum effort all the time You want practices to be harder than the games when you get there becomes easy And to have those guys that are pushing that tempo It's some of those guys that aren't the drafted guys the guys that are six round picks that are pushing other guys saying holy cow This guy's trying to make it I got to pick up my game and so that's where that whole everything's and that's what Ben Johnson is clearly looking for That's football character Yeah, and I think they have it Are they getting more of it throughout the roster? They certainly have it Let's switch to the offensive side of the ball I think Braxton Jones is football characters high. It's one of the reasons why he started as a rookie It's why the one of the reasons he's come back from the injuries he's he suffered I think he's a guy that obviously want to point out he's a weak link on an offensive line fine But he's likely to start week one clay how has how would you describe the way that offensive tackle competition

22:50Which you've played close attention to has evolved and as somebody who was very high on jedrick wills early in camp What happened to him was it just a early Flash was it something that he because of the injury couldn't actually make us a strong enough challenge How did you see everything unfold? To start with jedrick wills. I thought it was just the consistency factor because he would make a play that Maybe the other tackles couldn't make he you see the first round pedigree and I would see it But then consistency he would be extremely laid off the snap count He'd get up a sack So it was just it was like this give and take toward you would see it for five straight plays like man This guy can play left tackle I've played played with a ton of left tackles Jason Peters Ryan Ramcheck Winston-Jossess a bunch of guys and he was one of those guys. I'm like this guy can play and It's just the consistency never came. I think he'll get picked up somewhere I don't know if it'll be in Chicago on a practice squad And I think we haven't seen the last of them Obviously it shows you guy the former first from pick to come in in a battle for a job. It shows you he is a right type of guy

23:53um, and as far as bracks and Jones is concerned. I think We forget last year with Theo Bennett it the bears went five and two With with bracks and the bears went three and two when he was hurt with a broken leg They've won with these guys before so they can win with them again Especially when bracks and is better he beat out Theo in the competition So I understand why people have this concern about the left tackle But also you got to know you're with Ben Johnson and when you were the coach like him And I've been with say Josh McDaniel's when I was with the Patriots They're going over every single matchup in the in the game So okay, you know, we our left tackle is gonna have a tough matchup this week We're going against the Texans when they had JJ what you know, we got to make sure we give him some extra help Ben Johnson knows every matchup. He knows what his men his players can and cannot do He is not going to put bracks and Jones on an island Against who they playing the first week they they got the Carolina Panthers They just signed jaden fill up jalen Phillips

24:54They're not going to put him on an island against jalen Phillips much because they know this is a tough pass russia We don't want bracks and to put us in a bad position. Well, you know what you can do You can use help man 13 personnel you could bring a running back down to ship help out a little bit before they get into the route So definitely uh having a guy like Ben Johnson you know he can scheme Around having some issues there and matchup problems speaking of matchup problem So I said yesterday on this show that I think this is the year that we see colson lovelin turning to a superstar How good can he be and also that whole entire tight-end room David's rolling his eyes right now because he knows I'm the I'm the leader of the colson lovelin fan club Here in Chicago and jp. I've said it once he said it twice colson lovelin is so special and especially in this Ben Johnson offense because look firstly holistically every tight-end Has a similar skill set there obviously colson's is a little bit more advanced and they're receiving but they all block They all can pass block run block especially they're good on fitting in their double teams

25:58You can put them on the front side of zones you can put them on the front sides of powers that it helps your your Play action passing so much because a lot of these tight ends that are actually receivers You go to zackers guy played with you go to evan ingrom you go to some of these these receiving tightness Travis Kelsey You think you're putting Kelsey on a d in front side of run play? No Not if you want to get blown up three yards deep. You want to put them on a power? You ain't getting no movement there from Kelsey Kelsey wants to split out. He wants to run Maybe you sift them back side you arc release them to a safety You come up with ways to maybe pull out a defender or or get rid of them colson coal in sam roush even sam roush watching the tape are all physical blockers But That makes it so much different more difficult for a defense because now you got to make that choice AP are we going to put the big personnel in or are we going to put the the nickel in if you put the nickel in They're going to run the ball down to throw to put the big personnel in colson level is too fast and Ben Johnson What i've noticed he's moving him around a lot. He's shifting him. He's motioning

27:01He's starting him in a half back at fullback motioning to the left motion to the right side motion him to x or z Sometimes people think you can guard a tight end because you know he's going to be on the line Is grimace right or left? It's going to be easy to jam him get him in some traffic Ben's moving him everywhere. He's going to be a mismatch nightmare for defenses. Can you imagine what it's like for defensive coordinators as the season goes along You see all this movement to try to figure out. Okay, how do we stop this? Isn't that it's crazy to think about it's crazy and let's look back to that Packers game when they came in and they they had three tight ends in the game The packers who all they're going to try to run this one because Ben Johnson will run it on Dirt down on two-point inversions and they bring in their big package and then Ben goes Okay, let me split colson out to the left outside That's for super and run a fade stop which first of all for a tight end That's 255 pounds trying to fade stop you know the degree of difficulty there and to be able to have the ball skills to turn around and make that catch That's that's insane and I haven't and it worked

28:03So you're going to have a lot more of that the guys moving around a lot and that just shows you how much he knows this often So they kept four tight ends Hayden large going on injured reserve But they have three that they trust they only kept five wide receivers But that was partly because of the versatility with Khalif Raymond and also Xavier and Thomas the other night on The big football show in Clay's corner you designated Xavier and Thomas as the winner of preseason maybe the bear who made the most Covered the most ground Figured to really and literally because of his 97-yard touchdown reception in his first play as an NFL player Why do you think that Xavier and Thomas can make an impact this year? So I'm going back so I'm I'm talking about from the day he was drafted until Now right Xavier and Thomas you remember the discourse. Oh, they reached on this guy This guy was a seventh round or he's a sixth round or he's a gadget guy Maybe he can return punts. He's valus Jones

29:03The re-coming of valus Jones David you remember I went out to the first rookie minicamp I came back and said this guy can play wide receiver You can tell right away when a player can catch the football if he's a natural hands catcher looks then It's just effortless for him and that's just the first thing I saw I go he's good in and out of breaks He's a natural hands catcher like David played safety because he wasn't he couldn't catch the ball clean So Xavier Thomas can't hold your back Watch out. Oh great safety because he couldn't catch the football But Xavier and Thomas from seeing where he started rookie minicamp the routes Did you you saw that route where he looked like he he pressed a turbo button 10 times? On that stop and go that wasn't the only one the one that impressed me the most was the was the slant route When he he wiggles gets inside presses vertical breaks across the face inside catches the slant get some yak And I go this dude looks like a real real threat as a receiver And then who's he look like when he's returning kicks and I'm getting carried away David hated that I said that's what everybody's saying

30:09I'm so sure he just looks I'll just say this he looked really good Catching punts in throughout all of camp every day. I was there. He didn't drop one punt or kickoff Okay, I love how excited you are about my cousin. So my family I love it. How much of an impact can he have on this squad this season you think on the offensive side That's the tough part right because you got Rome you got Luther you got Colston Then you got Cole commit obviously got cleaf Raymond jade walker was one of my guys that had an underrated training camp This guy is smooth He's six three great balls skills caught everything you can see put an extra time with Antoine Randall If he's on another team he might be a number two receiver at least a number three here He's looking at like a four or five, but this guy can play so Ben Says he loves getting Figuring out how to get every ball. He's gonna have to figure out ways to get saving them ball

31:10And I think what you're seeing is they're starting to trust him more that was my only question you see the ability you see you can catch You see you can run can they trust him to line up. Okay, you're gonna be slot now now you're Smooshing here shifting here Ben loves to confuse defenses and do that you got to have smart players Xavier on the smart player. He's a guy that believes in football I think it's gonna be tough for him to overtake cleaf Raymond early, but I think at some point As much as I like cleaf Raymond had an excellent camp the guy was was lights out You can't teach four to eight and the four to eight shows up on film like that explosive with vision You're gonna have to get him the ball somehow last thing. Let's get into the safety Who is the rookie who is the guy that I wanted them to draft and they did Dylan Thiniman Has had maybe some mixed results in the preseason there have been times where you see those instincts that were on display at Oregon and earlier at Purdue They're all that leticism you see what the bears saw whether it's a combine or what in the private workouts struggle a little bit against the the Titans and had some issues maybe in play recognition

32:15How quickly can he make an impact and how susceptible is he to making some rookie mistakes Here's what I've seen this is my thoughts on Dylan Thiniman I've watched and studied a lot of safety you know tight ends we play against him a lot so we have to look at him I think when he's back there deep as a deep safety the guys got some very incredible range She's got uncommon speed that gives your cornerbacks a lot of confidence If you have a guy that you know has got the range to run out and if if you get beat on a deep ball He's gonna be there. He's got that he's got that that's important He's a smart guy. He's gonna get physical in the run game. He's not afraid to tackle. He's not afraid to hit anybody The questions I have is if he gets caught in man coverage I think his man coverage right now isn't what it needs to be I think that last preseason game I saw him three times four times He didn't have that play over the top where he deflected that ball Going for car null tape thought that was a good play But in man-to-man coverage when he drops down in the slot He was guarding the tight end. I think three times during camp. I'm thinking okay You know he's playing in his colson leveling like this is he's gonna get easier matchups during the season

33:18But it showed up again. I think he'll get better. He'll figure it out He'll be able to see when a tight end stems you inside. You don't have to jump inside He's probably saving room for the now tied breaking route. He's gonna learn that You know college. You don't teach you as much. You're kind of running the spots and a fellow You're tricking these guys with your releases your stems get a little wiggle at the top And I think he's got to get better at that so I think the range when he's deep I think the run game help being able to be a guy that goes in there and fit people up He's not scared of contact but the man-to-man coverage skills is where I see him needing to improve And tackling you think he's a good enough tackler. I think he's I think he's good enough tackler I think yes He got ran over a couple times in camp. I remember one played dandry swift Trucked him and stepped in his face mask and just kept going and I was like oh my gosh I'm glad this wasn't this isn't on film somewhere because that's one of those you ain't gonna live down But he's willing. I'm not saying he's gonna deliver any bone crushing hits here But he's a guy that is going to throw his body in there. You know, he's a little bit undersized

34:21But once again, he's one of these Ben Johnson type guys That are just manic about football football is everything. He's not going out. He's not doing it He is studying tape. He's making sure his body right his entire life is football and playing safety and in my history those guys have a very High level of reaching their full potential and his potential is is really high once he cleans up a few things great stuff You got a game Saturday no game this Saturday then I got 13 straight Saturdays Wow, you did a quite a barn burner last Saturday didn't you 79 and nothing Illinois State over St. Francis Interstate rivalry right there rocks back on his revenge tour after finishing second in the FCS rocks back is back Let's go. So it's Clay Harbor. Thanks for being here. Appreciate it guys. We come back. It's time for transition with Rahimi and Grote Layla and Mark will join us next on on page Chicago sports radio 104 3 this score. I'm Dana Carving. I'm David Spade flying the walls back There's another season now on audio and video every Monday and Thursday so many incredible guests will be joining us

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