Chappell Roan Controversy, The False Prophet Documentary, and Rhode Island Housewives!

0:00Welcome to a cookie jar episode. I'm your host, Chelsea Devantes. I'm a TV writer, comedian, filmmaker, other, and sometimes I'm in stuff too. And normally this podcast is discussing memoirs, but we also discuss, you know, trash to elevate your life. And in the cookie jar episode, we take everything that doesn't fit into our books episode, our books, our memoirs, our literature, our literary episodes, and we discuss them all in one cookie jar, anything that fits into the glamorous trash universe. And so today, we're going to follow up on the health and trauma books that we were looking for in the Christina Applegate episode. We've got a new smut corner. We're also going to talk about Chapel Rowne. I did watch the FLDS documentary on Netflix called False Profit. We may discuss some sports, some sports adjacent cheating that has caught my attention and made

1:02its way into our world. As you know, I am joined by our co-host for all of these episodes. It's Christina Lopez. Hey, Chelsea, what's going on? Hi, hi, hi, hi. Are you ready for today's cookie jar? We got a weird little grouping. Yeah, it is a little weird, but you know what? I'm down with the weird. I'm here for the dried. Let's go here for the ride. Let's go, BP. Well, let's start with some news from glamorous trash, which is that you have put together another book club event that where we do like a real ass book club. We did this last year with Girl on Girl because it just felt like such a book for us. It was nonfiction and it was discussing how the 2000s basically ruined our lives through pop culture, which is a thesis I carry with me every day. And we did like a Zoom book club where basically I had some slides and something to take us through, but then we heard from everyone and their thoughts on the book. It was so great. We put the episode out as a recording on Patreon. And so it's just for the people who like really want to book club, everyone is so fun and smart and thoughtful. It was one of my favorite episodes,

2:04and I didn't talk at all. It was everyone else. And now we're doing it again with what book, Christina? It's called Ask Not, the Women, the Kettities, Destroyed. And essentially we've been asked to do this book before. We've kind of had iterations of plans on doing it. But I think the Kennedy drama has come up quite a few times in the latest rounds of memoirs that we've done over the last like six months I want to say. And also there was the Love Story series that talked all about JFK Junior's romance with Carolyn Desette. Yeah. That was Ryan Murphy. Did you watch? I watched I think four or five episodes. I didn't make it all the way through. I think that's right. Yeah. I also watched. I'm not I think the Kennedy fascination is odd. And and so I actually did not know a lot at all. Okay. So I would say there was a part of the episodes that were really interesting because I was just like, what? But then I had to go and read like, Oh, Gerald Hannah didn't act like that. And so I am very interested in this book because it's a perspective on the women which

3:07really gets ignored in Kennedy history. Yeah. So especially like women in their own family, their sisters and also the women that marry into the family and all that baggage that comes with it. Ever since we did Cheryl Heinz memoir and Olivia Newsies memoir and then the dueling memoir episode, that's where my Kennedy fascination comes from. I know that's no one else has it from that. Everyone else has it from like Jacqueo. But my fascination is via Cheryl Heinz and I'm excited. Okay. So can anyone join the book club? Yeah. So for our sugar cookies, it'll be free for those members. But anyone could be able to join the book club. We'll price it at around $10. And for $10, you can sit in on the book club, the Zoom book club. And like we said for the Patreons and for subscribers, we post the audio. So you will get it if you can't make it to the book club that day. Yeah. But if you want to read it and have a great book club discussion, we will have that coming for you. And the book club is on May 17th and we'll put out the Zoom link. All the info will be on the Patreon. The last one was so great. And also you don't have to,

4:10if you're just more of like, I want to listen or you start reading the book, but you don't finish, you can come and just listen and take part because you don't have to speak. There's no pressure. Yes. It's cozy. It's a cozy. Yeah. It's a cozy book club about the women who were destroyed in America, which was also our last book club. The material is so harsh, but we all showed up in pajamas. I think it was like 90 of us. Yeah. Yeah. It was great. It was shit. Yeah, we should do this way more often. I'm so glad you reminded me to do this. Yes. And we'll have the link in the show notes for this particular one. Yeah. And I don't believe you have to be a member of Patreon to join, but even if you do, there's like a free option. So you just click it and it's easy. Yeah. Okay. Speaking of books, Christina, so in our other Christina episodes, the Christina Applegate episode. Oh, man, editing that one was a trip. I bet because you're just hearing your name constantly. No, that, but there are some overlapping traumas that we have. And I'm like, oh, no.

5:13I think I do. Yeah. I'm so sorry. Christina, you're a hero and a warrior in a champion. Well, a couple updates from that episode. So one of the cookies, K, they looked up the study that Christina Applegate had cited in the book. I read it verbatim from the text. So Christina wrote about this study where if there were three specific traumas that occurred in childhood, your percentage of being diagnosed with MS later in life went up exponentially. K, one of the cookies noticed this because it really unnerved them, you know, people go through these things and like, what does it mean for your health? And actually looked up the study and realized that Christina had printed the analysis of this study incorrectly. So Christina Lopez, will you read what K found? Yeah. So according to K, Christina Applegate's quote said, a 93% risk rate for MS with all three forms of childhood trauma, that is not what the study says. It says 93% higher than the non-traumatized

6:19population. So if one in 100 normally develop it, around two in 100 in the three traumatized population do, unless I misunderstood a quote, it startled me a lot as someone with all three. So I pulled up the study. Yeah. I also cited some studies when I was running my memoir about donor conceived people, which it's also tough to because some studies only have small pools of people or they were funded by certain places, like you usually want like a broad swath of studies in order to, you know, talk about things like this. And it is hard when it's like one in four versus one in a blue blood. So I'm glad K looked this up. It looks like it's a two in 100 chance versus a one in 100 chance. If you've experienced childhood traumas, like the ones Christina described. So that was interesting to notes. Also in the episode we talked about the book, my chiropractor had opened that was like, you know, things you go through in life that create your disease. And how to unfat your childhood, I think it's where Joe said is that's the title, which is not that is not the title of the

7:23book. I put out a call. I was like, has anyone ever encountered this book in life where, and it was huge. It was like the size of webster's dictionary. And you could look up specific diseases and it would connect to the trauma that created such disease. I say this all with what I want to say this with. I'm going to be very honest with y'all. I 100% absolutely believe and know that things you go through in your life can create physical illness for you. You can look up studies like a trauma study where if you've experienced poverty and food insecurity and things like that, you were that much higher on the trauma scale. However, that's because it's not that poverty creates trauma. It's that poverty is trauma. But again, this is a little convoluted, which is all to say, I don't have the science to explain this. I can't exactly say what this is, but I get so worried talking about this and reading about it because it feels like walking a tight rope. Yes. And if I make one wrong move, I fall into maha and all of a sudden I'm like putting

8:26robbie on my face. That's what it feels like because I'm like, I know there's truth here, but like one wrong move and I'm a fucking goner. I have a friend, well a long-lost friend who the medical community couldn't heal something she was going through. And she was writing about like the jab and like really racist doctors who were at the insurrection. She was like reposting their medical studies. So it was like literally a doctor at the insurrection with like their accent hand posting like that person's study. And so I just always feel so worried discussing stuff like this because I'm just like, I'm going to what, don't slip everybody out there. Let's discuss this, but don't slip. Yes. And what was surprising to me, Christina, as I said, has anyone ever encountered this book? Many people wrote in with different books. And I had this idea that I would get these books and check them out and like really vet them. Some of them are like a hundred dollars. Some of them are out of print. And at one point I said,

9:28I can't, I have a job. I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't go into this. I've said we're jobs honestly. Too many jobs. But I am going to tell you all the books I heard most. One was metaphysical anatomy. The other was messages from the body and their psychological meaning. The other one, and this is one I'm real worried about, heal your body, metaphysical causations for physical illness. I'm already out on a book that's like, you can do it yourself. Yeah, I can't. I have a hard time with that, you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm really worried about that book, but someone said maybe that's it, which would be very concerning for me because again, someone referenced this book when helping me with my, the tumor on my ovary. And then who's the matter with me was another one and a final one, the secret language of your body. I'm a little, I think this might be like astrology where like there's some astrology books that are like sick. Awesome. Yeah. And there's other astrology books where it's like, AI wrote this.

10:32For funsies, because people would buy it. I could totally see a proliferation of that happening in the next couple of years too. Oh, completely. Yeah. So those are the books. Are you going to check any of these books out, Christina? I want the secret language of my body. Yeah. I get to know them secrets. I think the one I'm most interested in is messages from the body and their psychological meaning. That was the one that's a hundred dollars and looked to be the size of the one that was in the chiropractors office. That's the one that most looks like my vague memory. Yeah. So if I ever feel like that's worth a hundred dollars, I'll go down that lane. But if you, Chelsea, you got a birthday coming up. No, God. There's other things I want for my birthday. Yeah. So those were our updates on that. Okay. Christina, should we talk about Chapel Rowne? Yes. Let's get into it. Okay. We're going to take a quick break right now and we'll be right back. So I have a big event coming up. And in the Patreon, someone had posted about the

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14:44I think part of it, there are a lot of, well, let's dive into it. Okay. Yeah. So just a brief overview in case you missed it. A soccer star and his wife, who is also Jude Laws ex. Yes, they worked Jude Law in the headline anyway they could. For sure. Their child, which was her child with Jude Law, was around 11. We're at a big fancy rich person hotel and their child thought they saw Chapel Road and went to go spy on her in the garden seating and see if it was her and came back and she was like, I don't know if it's her. And then a minute later, a security guard came up and was apparently very rude and was like, doesn't your child know how to behave? Don't look at celebrities. You little monster. And then they put videos out online scolding Chapel for being such a bitch to their precious child. I'm speaking about it this way because even if Chapel Road had sent her security guard to do that, which quantifiably, certifiably, factually, she did not and we have

15:47all the proof now. But let's say she did. I'm sure it definitely sucked for their child to be reprimanded. Yeah. Also, does you destroy a woman online make that feel better for your child? Like you're doing the exact behavior that you're saying shouldn't happen to your child of being destroyed and criticized and yelled at for no reason. They got the masses of the internet to be mad at Chapel Road, which they love to do. People love to be mad at this woman more than other pop stars. And it made me really, I was already mad at them of just like, this is so gross to use your power to do this in the name of being nice to women. Yeah. LOL, you assholes. Then they made more videos being like, Chapel Road said it wasn't her security guard, but like, I probably was. Like, but who knows? And so they were just loving the drama. Then the security guard who actually

16:48did it has to make his own TikTok. And he's like, no one asked me to do that. The Daily Mail apparently found out that he was working for Sabrina Carpenter, allegedly. But also, I don't trust it's the Daily Mail either. Yeah. I'm thankful whoever pressured this guy to come forward did it. And also, yeah, it sounds like he's hyped up on power, bro. Yeah, he basically said some of the things that had been happening around the meat of concert. I think it was like a lollipaloo so that was happening there. Caught him to elevate and escalate, you know, the threat risk that was happening. And it cost him to overreact and responsive to how this girl approached Chapel or looked at Chapel or whatever the situation was. Yeah. Whatever. Then the soccer star, I'm being so rude by not saying his name. The football star. What's his name, Christina? Georgineo. Thank you. I'm sure so many people just heard that. They're like, but I'm sorry. And because I'm mad at him, he even put on his Instagram story, a statement being like this matters close. I'm so sorry for the suffering that my daughter and Chapel Rowan went through. And it's like,

17:51it actually was just Chapel Rowan. Like, Chapel Rowan was never behind your daughter suffering. You were fully behind Chapel Rowan's suffering. And you used your celebrity and the fact that your daughter's a child to punish this pop star that she looked up to. I just hate it. And then they would post other photos like other pop stars were really nice to my very rich child who we buy backstage passes to take pictures with. It always so gross to me. People were digging up videos where like Chapel was talking about how miserable it is to have a child and then leveraging that into her larger sort of belief he hates them around kids and stuff like that. Yeah. I think what really pains me about this is that one, she's just extremely talented. Whether you like the music or not, you cannot say that the song she wrote and performed for herself are not stunning and beautiful. And when people come at her for, well, this is a drag queen's aesthetic. That's kind of a historical misogynist argument that women cannot participate in the performance

18:53of gender. So that bothers me. But mostly like Chapel has always been so politically active. When it was found out that like this guy who I forget his name, just one of the many men who was involved with Epstein who ran her label was involved with Epstein. She immediately left the company and put out a statement. Not all famous artists did that. She's spoken about health insurance for artists. And while she may not be perfect on every issue, she's done so much and so much more than other artists do. And that has made her a lightning rod for the conservative party to want to bring her down. And then there's a bunch of liberals who jump in on it for just like the love of using a woman as the internet's trampoline of just jumping up and down on her. Well, also add into the mix that there were some bots involved. So Gidea or Gidea, which was involved with some Taylor Swift, but analysis couple months back with Rolling Stone also flagged to Buzzfeed that they had looked at a hundred thousand posts generated by fifty four thousand

19:56unique users across seven platforms about this Chapel Roan story from March 20th to March 22nd. And they found that 4.2% of the users contributing to the Chapel Roan conversation at the time were non-typical i.e. were likely to be bots as well as that being a high percentage of bots in and of itself. They accounted for over 23% of the posts. And we have a link to this Buzzfeed report in the show notes. And the podcast Spitfire news also covered this. So we'll have a link to that too. One of the cookies actually posted this link in our Patreon chats and access to cover this. But in addition to all of that, the thumb and the scale, you know, how other sides leverage that, there is also this critique that she clearly doesn't want to be famous and she can accept all the things that fame entails, including people's desire to access to her, whether or not she's performing on her off time, basically. And there's also, I think pushback you can give into how much

21:01people expect access to famous people, just by virtue of them being famous. And I think it leans more into how pair of social people have become with famous figures, but also people have made the argument that if she didn't want to become a famous icon but still wanted to release music, she could have gone to Sierra where she was hiding her face. Yeah, like that worked out so well for Sierra. Yeah, exactly. Or daft Punk. No, I can't wrap my header on the fact that it's the same people who have watched, discussed, analyzed. And to this day, take in how this exact behavior destroyed a woman like Britney Spears, among many others, has destroyed her mental health, has destroyed so many things about her that she suffers through. How we took a pop star and just shredded her for our benefit. And to see a pop star come up now and try and draw boundaries and stand up for herself and show anger. And to be so mad at her for that instead of

22:06being happy that maybe someone's trying to change our relationship with fame, the same fame that killed Princess Die is trying to change the way media treats young women. And to be mad at her for it, yeah, it makes me infuriated. I don't know enough about Chalberon to be like, she's perfect. I don't even I don't if she's like fucked some shit up like fine, I don't think any young woman in the spotlight deserves this. And I know she's getting it more because she's put up boundaries and has shown her anger. And I just hate that. Yeah, it's a little bit unfair. I think a lot of it unfair to project all these desires of access to people just because you're a fan of their work. I don't know. It feels like it's really gone into really stand culture, you know, parasocial territory. But again, it, you know, the kid maybe shouldn't have been yelled at. I don't know. I don't know. Definitely. The kid definitely shouldn't have been yelled at. That's horrible. What I think is wild is that they said our kid was unfairly yelled at by the team of this woman

23:10she loves. We know. Let's harness the internet to ruin that woman's life. Yeah. They surely are powerful enough to have contacted her directly. They're powerful enough to have gone to the hotel. There were so many means in which they could have rectified the situation. And they chose the one that they don't want their daughter suffering. Well, and then he took out and said that chapel did try to rectify the situation. Yeah. And they just continued it. That's what I think is, yes, the child should not have been yelled at. But then she just blamed a random woman and people loved to do that. And again, they did on the internet. They did it to punish her. And now this child who loved, loved, loved, loved chapel Rome now participated in trying to destroy this, this girl she looked up to. Not by her doing it, but her parents did it. I just think it's cruel. Yeah. Wow. Wow. I was way more heated about this. I know. I realized. I was like, I'm sure we'll discuss chapel Rome. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay. Let's pivot again. Let's go to a little

24:11smut corner with our smut corresponding Claire, who is going to tell us a smuddy book they recommend. Hello and welcome to another round of smut corner. And as always, I am your genderless guide through the world of smut, Claire Linnick. Now listen, I see what's happening. I get it. The world is crumbling around us. I think it's time we get a little bit more silly into the smut world. I think we take one more step into madness with our escapism. And in the spirit of that, I today, I'm doing a Ruby Dixon deep dive. Now you might have already heard of Ruby Dixon. We use her as our scale, but also she really kicked off the smut craze during the pandemic with ice planted barbarians. If you haven't read that series, I cannot recommend it highly enough. And if you're like, you know what, there's just not enough out for me to

25:12be reading there right now. Guess what? Babe, it's like 22 books in one series and there's so many shoot offs. What I want to talk to about today is a lesser known series of hers, which are the anchor series. I got to be honest, it's overall not my favorite series, but there is a book that I believe stands as a standalone book and is one of my favorites in lots of all time and it's called Serving to the Spidey. Now, if there are little ears listening or maybe you're with a partner or a coworker or anybody, now's a great time for you to fast forward through me and come back later when it's time because I'm going to go ahead and tell you what happens a little bit in this book, just to warn you without too many spoilers, but buckle up. This involves a human anchor to three fates, almost like gods that need a human to anchor them. And this woman signs up for this, and I think that's important for everyone to remember throughout the book because it does get a little walk of doodle. It is consent. Everything's gorgeous. It does kind of become, I'm going to give a little spoiler. It does kind of become a love story, but it's wild at the start because the

26:13fate she's tied to are you guessed it? Spider people. It's my favorite book ever. It's wild. It's beautiful. It is so steamy. We've been doing like three out of fives over here, maybe a 3.5 out of five. I'm going to go ahead and give this a 4.5 out of five. If that's what you're ready for, if that's what you're creating, this is where you have to be. I'm obsessed with this book. I've read it multiple times. It is a thrill. I want to hear from you if you've read it. I want to hear from you if you don't read it and it's too much. I'm at Claire Linnick on Instagram. You know, guys, I'm going to get out of here. Just enjoy it. How fun! Coming up of that, Christina, have you watched this new FLDS documentary on Netflix called The False Profit? No, but I knew you were going to watch it. I was like, okay, yes, I know the basic premise where, you know, this non-mormon

27:17couple got access to this so-called profit. They befriended him, they gained his trust, and then they followed his scent to become like a profit leader. But I'm sure you have more details around that. This is your overalls, though. I know. It's FLDS, so that's Latter-day Saints, Mormon communities, of course. But it was, it's also the fundamentalist Mormon community. So it was this community whose leader was Warren Jeffs. There's another documentary on him called Keep Sweet, Prey and Obey, about stating where he was using his power in the church to be a pedophile and marry young wives and have all these, like, really intense, non-consenting, underage sexual activities, sometimes in groups. And he finally was Sinterprison. And it left this community of FLDS communities, specifically the ones in Arizona, really vulnerable because they had this leader who was in jail. And they were still following him as their profit. And he was obviously always doing horrible things. But then what he was putting out from jail got really weird. Like he started

28:22putting out messages of like, since I'm not having sex, none of y'all should have sex. And so this community like stops having children when they were raised to believe like a lot of these women were told like you should be having one child a year. This is also obviously a polygamist sect of Mormonism. And I've stayed in Colorado City, Arizona. This was like one of the hubs that was set in. Anyways, this couple, this guy who directs music videos in this woman who's had a wild career that they cover in the documentary, move there. And I have to say I really hated the documentary at first because they are the stars of their own documentary. And it really is clear at least to me that they went there to get some shine off of getting like cultish figures on camera and like being the leads in this, you know, we're going to get these women out. But it's like clear that they're like he directs music videos. And if he just wanted to randomly document what was going on there. And then it became a documentary. It's like

29:24that's just so unbelievable. He's also not a documentarian because the footage is really this woman straight to camera telling the story because the footage he captures, you can tell he's like talking through it. And like doing all the things like you were not supposed to do in a documentary. Yeah. And other documentaries will tell you but like when someone surprisingly makes themselves the lead of their documentary, it's almost always a red flag for a bad. Yeah. Like something's gone awry. Yeah. There's journalism to this. You're supposed to be too much agree. I feel like it's been really diluted over the last like especially in the streaming era. Yes, it has. And this was a big case of like that. And so I'm not a documentarian. I would be so curious actual documentarian's opinion. But when I look at it from a film perspective, I'm like, this is terrible. Yeah. This is like found footage kind of strung together through this one woman. I hated the poster of it because she's like in this like hot little cowboy outfit with all of these women in classic FLDS clothing, which is like kind of the classic polygamous hair style and braids and like the Chloe 70 character from like glove, if you

30:29know. Exactly. Yes. They're all dressed like that and they're facing away from the camera as she's in like her little cowboy hat in the middle like saving them. I just hated it. And so what I will say is that because they did capture this footage, it does offer something very special where this profit was leading profit, LOL was leading a group of 50 people. Very small. Once again, it is a loser like it wasn't even their best Mormon man. Yeah. They were like, this guy sucks his wife left him. He can't keep jobs like known in the FLDS community respects him. He's a loser. And then one day he showed up with a trailer full of new wives demanding respect. He wears a white leather jacket. It is, and yeah, and it's just, it's a keythroenery. It's like this dumbass is leading the cults. It's always a dumbass. Yeah. When I saw the trailer, I was like, him? Him? Yeah. It's another one of those. I instant up really loving that I watched it because these incredible FLDS women

31:34get to speak on camera. And you see a side of these women that I have never really seen. You've seen women who've left the church, but like there's one woman who very much believes in the religion wants to stay, but still came to this realization that as a woman she should be allowed to ask questions. Yeah. Or that what they're doing is wrong. And when you're absolutely trained to never ask questions and you're not given education or resources or information, how do you think for yourself? And some of these women go to jail. And for some of them, it's the best thing that ever happened to them because they're not receiving the programming every day and begin to have their own thoughts. Well, and also just imagine the different walks of life that they're finally, you know, they're breaking out of their community bubble. Yeah. Yeah. And it's crazy to think that prison and jail, but a couple of them are like, prison sent me free because I didn't receive this indoctrination every day and like was given other books to read and other people to talk to. And you meet other people. Yeah. Yeah. But you

32:38also get to see how some of these women really support each other. And so I think that part of it was stunning. Some of them get free and this man who was a pedophile goes down and that's extremely fulfilling. I could never kind of get over that these two people had just like wandered in and decided to be undercover. And I think we're enjoying a lot of that attention. And are still like, I went undercover at the bloody, bloody, bloody. So that grosses me out and they're so fumbling. And some of it's caught in the footage where he's like the guy her husband or fiance talking about it. He'll be like, we got to help this child. I'm parking the car. I'm trying to park the car. I can't hear or grab the camera. Like it's so Mr. McGoo. But a part of that was also inspiring in that like, yeah, there's just two people who showed up and they did do something. And they really made a difference in some of these people's lives. And they weren't high tech or savvy or especially

33:39studied in this and were able to make a difference by being in these women's lives and offering one woman in particular, someone to talk to so that they could help her go to the FBI. So in a way, it was inspiring. And I was like, you can always help. And in another way, I was like, was it all for the documentary? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. So would you recommend the cookie? See it? Or 100%. 100%. I just recommend you also finish it. Because really the last two episodes are when we really get the testimony of the women and some of the people who were in like following him in this cult and then got out of it. And you get to just really hear their perspective in their thoughts, which I think is so beautiful. Because the first two episodes are the people who came to town sort of telling you the story because I don't have the footage. Oh, I was watching. I was like, a documentary that's great gets the footage and the interviews so that you watch the story unfold from the subjects themselves. Yeah. You watch the story unfold from her perspective of saving them

34:41and then it flips. Okay. I'm going to check it out. I'll let the cookies know on the chat what I think about it. Yeah. Okay. So yeah. Like you said, ultimately, if they went in there with great intentions, the impact was a net positive. And so maybe, you know, it balances out the skills of like, you know, them centering themselves in the narrative. Yeah. I think so with the caveat, it is their documentary. So I don't know what we're not seeing. I don't know if stuff was edited out. I don't know if something's going to come down the line, but I am hoping for the best. Okay. There was a good outcome. Yeah. It does seem to be like a couple of years out. You learn, oh, they left this whole other thing out that actually proves something else. Yeah. Very odd. Okay. Let's do a little pivot to just remind everyone because I didn't because I haven't, I don't know if I've said this enough. When we have put out episodes that are for subscribers or Patreon members only, there's a video that Christina makes that goes up on the Patreon. So we just did Liza Manelli such a good episode, such incredible guests. That was for subscribers

35:42only. So if you want to subscribe, you can do that easily on Patreon. It can connect to all of your podcasts apps. And then once you have Patreon, you can play the video. And Christina edits it and puts in like the photos we're referencing and like the imagery and like the video is fantastic. And I just need to tell people that that exists because I don't feel like I talk about it enough. Yeah. So we haven't been doing it for all of them, but there are good collection of videos that are there for subscribers for sure. Yeah. Once you become a member of Patreon, the whole collection is like in this little folder and you can watch all of them. Yeah. And I think we'll do more. Yes. We think for sure. Okay. We're kind of still around Mormonism. So let's talk about how Taylor Frankie Paul from Secret Liza Mormon Lives charges are not being pressed against the new domestic violence allegations. So I should make something clear that actually was not clear to me when I was watching the show. Okay. Which is that from that incident that is in the pilot episode where she's charged with domestic violence by Dakota, she pled guilty and has been on probation for three years. And they've been filming the show around her like she has to be sober. She can't be at events

36:45that have alcohol around them. Like she's been on a three-year probation filming this show. Which I think they obviously did not make a focus of the show. So I forgot about it and never realized that she was like actively on probation. Now these new charges here is a quote from the Guardian. Prosecutors said some of the mist and meaner offenses occurred more than two years ago and fell outside the statue of limitations. Other incidents quote do not rise to the level of criminal offenses and that quote the remaining incidents lack sufficient evidence to support filing criminal charges as quote such incidents lack specificity as to win and what actually occurred or corroboration. The office also noted that multiple attorneys reviewed the cases due to the high profile of the defendant. So these new charges Dakota filed will not be prosecuted charges won't be pressed. But the original charge against her which everyone knew about before she was cast on the bachelor and the video that accompanied it which she sold to TMZ when the bachelor was coming out. All of that obviously still stands. But I do wonder with these charges being dropped if her season is going

37:47to come out after all. That was just about to be my question. Chelsea, what do you think? I think no, but I think maybe in three months. Interesting. Okay. I think they're in a current custody battle for their child. They both have temporary protection orders against each other, which I'm so upsetting that I know this. But when you file for a protection order, you get it. It's temporary. Yeah. Then you have to go to court in which they can throw it out or they can put it into place. Different things come with it of like how long it lasts and what the stipulations are. That's decided in court. So they both have those temporary protection orders against each other. That just means they've filed it against each other. It doesn't mean we know the outcome of what's happened. And they are fighting over custody of their child. And so I bet a lot of that would have to be settled out. Yeah. It's one of those things where it's like a train wreck that you don't want to watch, but have a hard time looking away from. Like if that season came out, I'm like, God, I don't want to see that. But also, how would you not? Well, here's my question. We kind of know the outcome of it. We know that she didn't exactly find

38:51love, right? So then what would be the incentive to like watch the car act happen in slow motion? Or like Nick via L season was spoiled and you still watch it through. You know what I mean? You're there for the journey. You're there for the journey. You got to be there to watch it for the right reasons, Christina, the right reasons. Yeah, I don't know. All right. That being said, the Taylor Frankie Paul thing was put in the chat as something to discuss. And I looked it up, but I have untethered myself from that content, have not been following. She's been posting through it. There's I'm sure there's a much you could say, but as I sat on my state of the union, I am taking a step back. I think I'm waiting for her dramatic news interview that she does with someone on GMA or some other like Cardatti or something where she goes on. And she's like, here's what really happened that night or something that effect. I actually really love interviews with her. I listened to so many when I did my first episode when season one came out. I listened to niche interviews on podcasts that have five followers

39:52that she did years ago. She is honest to a fault. And so if she ever did do an interview, like you get everything from her, including details that I know from her interviews that they would skip over on the show. Yeah, I don't know if she's going to like pop back up soon and offer. She's taking time away from she's not taking time. She's posting every day. She also left the Mormon church as official as you can by posting on your Instagram stories. Wow, what did she say? She said, my faith is within me and my heart and it doesn't align with the church. I'm basically not a Mormon anymore, but I am spiritual and still have my faith and no one can take that from me, but I'm not like a part of the Mormon church anymore, which I had been coming for so long. I think given that in this most recent season, her mom was still talking about the book of Mormon and lessons that she had taught her about Mormonism, that she should be following that was angering

40:52her mom. I do think her officially saying, I'm not following this anymore is probably a really big deal, even though it's a long time coming. Wow. So her life is no longer secret nor Mormon, nor is she a wife. Some could say the entire title of the show is moot. Nullenvoid. Nullenvoid. And that mom talked the invisible force that binds them also, Nullenvoid, which brings me to something I started last night. Oh, I was a wife of Rhode Island. I wasn't going. I love it. I, okay, when people said they couldn't tell the Mormon wives apart on the show, I was never a part of that. Maybe because I was raised in Utah for some time, I have no idea, but like I always, they were always wildly different looking to me. Watching Rhode Island, I can't tell the part. I don't know if it's because I'm not from that part of the country, but I'm like, oh, you all look exactly the same. A lot of them share the same surgeons and plastic surgeons. They set it on the show. I love it. If you watched the bachelor's I did in the prime millennial years to do so,

41:58you remember a little lady known as Ashley I. And Ashley I was the infamous very hot virgin who cried all the time. She was like, I'm a virgin. She looks like a Kardashian. And she was just like begging for love. And it was like, Ashley, my girl, it is your personality. Like, it is extraordinary to have a personality. This intense. It really pushes everyone away from you while being that extraordinary looking. And so she's just crying, crying, crying. And she gets obsessed with this guy who was on another season named Jared. And they go on, there's like bachelor and paradise things they do. She's just always in love with them, always crying. He's always saying, no, I even remember there's some bachelor wedding where like sometimes when they have like the it couple, they air their wedding and pay for it and make it a bachelor special, there was one of those weddings where Ashley's on it being like, Jared's here, but he loved without me. I love him and she cries. Okay, one day Jared gave up and they're married now. They are now on real Housewives of Rhode Island. He is from Rhode Island. She is on the show

42:58new to all of them. And I'm like, I gotta see what Jared and Ashley are up to. Like, how is this marriage going all the time. I gotta check this out. I am loving it. It is just enough silly, ridiculous boating drama that I'm having fun. I'm only one episode in, but they all seem like they don't realize the consequences of their actions. And that's fun to watch. Okay, the next cookie jar. I'm gonna have to check in if you're still on the boat with them. I will laugh so hard if you watch it. How would you rank this in the current iterations of, you know, Real Housewives? I would say it's a thousand times better than Beverly Hills. Okay. Not enjoying Beverly Hills this season. I am really enjoying Rhode Island. Share your Real Housewives power rankings with us on the Patreon. I used to watch New York back in the day. And I used to love it, but you know, now they're all terrible. Yeah. Yeah, it's going through a lot. Well, I think I grapple with like

44:02wealth differently now than I did back then, too. Yeah, I completely agree. It's like, not. It's fun. Well, that brings us. I don't even want to talk a lot about it, but Lauren Sanchez base of Cease Himian article covering her, where basically she was like, why can't I be happy? I'm rich. And I think the part of the article, one of the parts of the article that infuriates me the most is that she called out this TikTok or Instagrammer Blakely Thornton who made a bunch of videos about her wedding being a disgusting oligarchy. She called him a bully. And anyone who is a literal fucking billionaire using the word bully, not describing themselves, really misunderstanding what the word means. And how a power dynamic is involved, you can just like, you're just such an idiot. I just can't pretend. Yeah, I saw it. I was like, Chelsea, she's added again, because we just

45:02had the year anniversary of when she went to space. No. Here we are a year later. Look how much is James. I just pray to God one day that should I find myself even remotely near a mile radius within a mile radius of that kind of wealth that I just fuck off forever. I hope you never hear from me again. I hope I am rescue and dogs, donate into charities and like in a hot tub. And you never hear from me again. And if everyone's like, she's a bitch, we hate her. I don't know because I have money and I'm not on my Instagram. That's what I hope for myself. Yeah. I don't understand why this profile happened. It just, it's like the attention and being liked is more powerful than billions of dollars, which I, I'm just like, go do great things with your money. And if you want to be a movie star, go write and direct your own fucking film. Go save the earth, go do some things. But like, why do you need to be in a magazine being like, that guy was meancing me online. Yeah, it's, I don't understand. Okay. Welcome to being a woman on the fucking

46:07internet. Yeah, that kind of circles back to some of the chapel rooms and stuff that we were talking about. Yeah, but it's like, bitch, are you crazy? Like great women, Miss Rachel gets hate on the internet. Do you really think that you were going to come in and not get a negative comment? I don't know what she wants, like public adoration. Like I don't. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I think because she comes from Hollywood, she's like, we're all just friends, right? We're all just artists. Am I extra angry this episode? What's going on? I don't know what's going on with me, but it's coming out. I feel like some zodiac cookie is going to be like, it's arizes and blah, blah, blah. So that's why. Let me know friends. Let me know. Maybe I should get the medical book and just be like, I rate on a podcast and see what childhood drama that links to. Okay, let's end with some sports talk. All right. So this is a story my husband has been regaling me with. He's been sending me. I truly tell him like, I have to, there's times where I'm like, I got to watch my yasser TV because I'll have 10 videos. He sent me throughout the day and like,

47:09just like sit there and watch them and laugh and respond. And again, we see each other all the time. You guys, it's not like we don't talk. It's like we're talking and I'll open my phone and they'll also be a video there. And he was sending me all these videos about Diana Rossini, who is a sports broadcaster. And to my shock, Christina, when you put out a call in the picture on asking for hot topics to cover on the cookie jar, multiple people said cover the Diana Rossini story. That was like one. Yeah. And my husband Yasser had said, Chelsea, I feel like this could be for a cookie jar. Like, I know this isn't a normal talk, but I think this could be for you all. So here we are. Diana Rossini, sports broadcaster who just freelance and like does all kinds of other shows and is a host. She was caught being cradled in coach Rebell's arms. He's a coach for the patriots. And they are both married to other people. And there was like hot tub vacation photos where it's like, if you're just friends, you have a weird friendship that has crossed many boundaries. Now, as some other great podcasts and people have pointed out, there's so much sexism in the way

48:13this is being covered. I don't follow sports enough to know, but I am a person in the world. And that seems exactly correct. That men who've been caught outside of their marriage or fraternizing with people, they're supposed to be covering an internalistic capacity in sports, have not been treated as harshly as Diana. I'm sure that is true. However, there is something extra to this, which is that Diana has multiple clips that people have put in compilations, and we're going to put some in this episode right now of her talking shit about her husband, slash just clearly really not wanting to be married that she has said throughout the years. I don't even judge the kind of party I was doing. I don't know what got into me. I just remember being down there. I actually like it was my last day on earth. You know who lets me know my marriage is falling apart my mom. So that's good. Oh, does she? Oh, you know what? I'm starting to think he's got a girlfriend. And you know what? Good for him. We've never been more disconnected in our lives. Mark text messages look like two robots. Hello, hello. I married to

49:16someone average. I don't post a lot about it. If I was married to someone beautiful, I don't post too. Now this doesn't seem nice. We have to be able to follow some Diana's husband here for everyone to see so you can make some amends on this. Together into what the worst part is, he sent me a text, touring that second, not watching because he actually works for a living, and he said, the luck today be great on get-ups. So the guy's got a heart of gold and here I am on a national TV, killing him. Look, we're at this together, but he makes me a ball of average because he married me. So I am so sorry. I need to really stop killing my husband on television. We're going to be divorced by Christmas. So it's kind of like, oh god, her poor husband. She just really, it sounds like she just really doesn't want to be married. And so that's what has made this, I think an even bigger story. And kind of leads me to be like, I'm happy all got caught because I think you need to be free. I think you need out of this marriage and you weren't going

50:16to walk out. And I think your husband deserves to not be in this marriage too. However, she then resigns from her job. And that's where I'm like, wait a minute. Like, does everyone have to resign when they're having an affair? Like, is it because they crossed some sort of ethical boundaries, in which case why isn't most of the NFL fired? I think, yeah, I think people could make the argument that she couldn't be impartial in her reporting if she was having a personal relationship. Right. It's just that like, since when did the NFL follow any ethical rules? Well, if she got fired, was it from her news organization or she resigned, which I guess, because it puts into question, like not only her reporting, but also her colleagues. I know it's just there's been so many other things in this world that they're like, no, it's fine. She resigned from the athletic with a defiant letter. Let's read some of that. Okay. So the athletic is, oh, this is important to note that the athletic is owned by the New York Times. Ah, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So they have very strict guidelines when it comes to

51:20like, we're Porter ethics. Okay. Yeah. I mean, listen, that, that makes sense. It's just, I feel like all right, it makes sense. It just feels like there's also a bunch of sexism in here. But okay. No, you could be right. Also, you know what I mean? Like both, both things are turned. Quote, I have covered the NFL with professionalism and dedication throughout my career. And I stand behind every story I have ever published. When the page six item first appeared, the athletic supported me unequivocally, expressed confidence in my work and pride in my journalism for that. I am grateful. And the days that followed, unfortunately, commentators in various media have engaged in self-feeding speculation that is simply unmoored from the facts. Moreover, this media frenzy is hurtling forward without regard for the review process. The athletic is trying to complete. It continues to escalate, fueled by repeated leaks. And I have no interest in submitting to a public inquiry that has already caused far more damage than I am willing to accept. Rather than allowing this to continue, I've decided to step aside now before my current contract expires on June 30th. I do so not because I accept the narrative that has been constructed around

52:20this episode, but because I refuse to lend it further oxygen or let it define me or my career. So this is talking about people being like, she clearly doesn't like her husband, you know? Yeah, I think it's a both end where it's like her being there was lending people to question the integrity of the reporting of her colleagues, but also her own reporting. Yeah, but yeah, it's it's also like, you know, they they denied that there's a fair that's like, there were six of us, we were all hanging out, like we're all just like fun friends. I obviously being paired with the other clips about her marriage is what makes it wild. Also, the way she's treating her marriage is the way a lot of male journalists talk about their marriages as well. But also, hey guys, we don't know. He could have a shame kink. I don't know. What if he has a shame kink? Young. What if he's loving it? What have you said home? Just loving it. No, I'm clued up in it though. In the report where she's like, no, no, no, no, he's great. I'm average too. She says, oh man, he just texted me before this interview telling me to crush it. And like, here I am being mean to him. So, oh, yeah, it's brutal. Christina, before we go, any

53:26habits from your life, any little updates? I found out my niece got into the school that she wanted. She's going to middle school. She got into middle school that she wanted to get into. And she did like a little audition for it. And so, we're just so proud of her. And it's just like that kind of thing where like when someone gets what they want and you're so happy. And she's like, you know, it's 10-11. And that's such a big deal though. It's such a big deal for her. And it is just like, and you get joy out of seeing them get joy. Because I was also prepared. We were also like, well, you know, it's not the end of the world if you don't get in, you know, like the actors don't go to professional training. I told her straight up. I was like, a lot of actors don't go to professional training before they become actors. In fact, some of the biggest ones have no training like at all. And that's the thing that you talk about going to college for. I mean, so I'm going to have you sit down with her before she goes to college. I would love to talk about a school, let your, let your family know that it's my team. Performing arts school. Yeah, she still would get a degree probably. But yeah, yeah, listen, if she's going to a performing arts school, young, she doesn't need to go to performing arts college. That's just a take. But it would love to talk with her. Yeah. Christina, I love that you're raising a little artist. I love

54:30encouraging her and like how she expresses her, you know, artistry. And she like does acting and she really loves it. And it's just great to be watching her grow up. And yeah, you know, at that age, I auditioned for a community theater play. I think it was the best crossed out worst Christmas page I ever. And it was community theater, but a teacher at my elementary school was the director. And I auditioned that day for the lead. Christina, I went home. I got the phone book. I looked up my teacher. I called her house. Her daughter who is in my grade answered the phone. I asked to speak to her mother and I asked her if I got the role. So this is a very important age for your dreams to come true. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's a humiliating story about me, but also Hutzpah. Yes. Go get her. I think it has a little bit of go getterness. Yeah. Lady who would later yell on a podcast. Lady who has no patience. I remind me of like when you got critiqued for

55:34over preparing for a writing job and like it seemed like you were too desperate or something like it's see it was it got desperation. I wish I wrote about this in my book. And it still haunts me. I'm sorry to bring up. No, it's fine. I'm up for something right now. And I told yester I was like I'm going to pull back in my presentation because you have to like do your pitch for it. I was like I'm going to pull back in my presentation because like I don't want to get called Tracy Flick again, which is what they called me. And he gave me a beautiful talk. He's like stop that. You want it. You believe in it. Go for it. Don't let these losers from years ago dampen your shine. That's like the Christina Applegate thing where it was like you're doing it. Yeah, but the thing with the okay, you know what? This has turned into therapy for me, but I need I need it. So I'm going to take a Christina. I'm going to make you continue guiding me. Here's the thing I have though. What I the reason I said I was going to pull back is not because I personally feel guilty. It's because I want the job. And if me preparing so much doesn't get

56:38me the job, then I'll prepare less, which isn't just another form of preparing. Yeah. And the reason why I didn't get that job, I remember my agent calling me and he said you made the other two male producers in the room look like doofuses. And they didn't like it. And they said you were delivering Tracy Flick. And I was in so much pain. And yes, I had really gone over the top for this job because I was also not qualified for it. I was up for a head writer job that I had no business being up for. And I thought the way I could show them how ready I was for it was to create an entire binder of their season. And the two producers didn't like that because they're like we haven't even done that. And so it wasn't the right move. And yeah. And but yeah, now it haunts me. What was your thing you wanted to share besides this therapy session we just had? I don't know that I wanted to share this, but I do have my arm wrapped in plastic, surround wrap right now. And so if there are any video clips from this podcast, you might see that. So maybe I should speak to that, which is that in about 15 minutes, I'm going to my second laser tattoo removal appointment because I'm removing this one tattoo on my arm. And I've had one

57:40appointment. And this is my second one. And I got to tell you, I do not regret getting the tattoo. I loved it for the time I had it. The only reason I'm getting it removed is because the tattoo artist changed the art that I wanted. And was like, this will be fine, right? And I was like, yeah. And then the moment it was on, I was like, this isn't what I wanted. But it did represent something beautiful. Then I came into a place where I was like, wait a minute. I'll just take this off. I'm going to do it. You know, let's just see. It is so painful. It is, yes, it is painful in the moment. It's painful for the two weeks afterwards. That's when it's the most painful. So that being said, I'd still go back in time and get it again. Guess what? I'm going to get more tattoos over it when it's gone. Well, I'm going to ask, are you going to get it and do it right and do it with an artist that you like particularly are fond of having gone through multiple tattoos? Well, and yet I will say I have the numbing cream on me right now. That's what's on me for this. But I'm not going to redo it with the art I want because I get tattoos to

58:41to represent symbolic meaning in my life to basically put something onto and into my body that I cannot possess from within. But I want it so badly. And so I try and symbolize it towards me. And I feel like I really, this tattoo gave me like so much power and so much life. And this is amazing to say, but I feel like I did it. Like I did the message I put on my body in the past five years, which was about coming through shame. And I feel like I did what I tattooed and it has done its job. And now it can leave. And I can put something else there. Yeah. That sounds amazing. Goodbye. I hope so. So you breathe now. No, I'm just kidding. Breathe. Live left love. Here, here for the right reasons. What if I just did a dringo sheet on my arm? Yeah. Henry Kissinger. Dringo. Actually, hold on. Maybe on something. We could listen. We could have some flash tattoos going out to the people. Okay. Well, thank you all for joining us for this cookie jar. If you ever have a voice note of

59:43something genius to say, Amelia, you got so many compliments and great feedback from her voice note about weathering heights. And so if you ever have something you got to say, email us, hello at glamourstrash.com. Yes. Where Christina will check your email because I've been logged out. But she'll get it. It's in the show notes. It's in the show notes too. And yeah, thank you so much for listening. And if you have any topics you want us to cover, we always take your suggestions on Patreon. And we're on Instagram at glamouristrashpodcast.com. We have, we're about to record Brandy's memoir. Yes. I'm looking forward to that one. My popular demand. I may have a fix for the Lena Donum episode because I'm not covering it. Yes. Because I have this other job I'm doing and that book is 400 pages. I just, I'm not the right person to cover it, but I think I might have a fix. And it might be hidden in your feed cookies. So stay tuned. Yeah, stay tuned.

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