CFT 97 - Performers of the Season

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2:06For anyone starting a small business, the biggest thing I can tell you is it doesn't have to be perfect. Shopify can help you build upon it. Start your free trial on Shopify.com. What is happening? The episode of the Craft My Name is Nick Pollock. Today is September 9th and we're going to talk about the Craft of Pitching of course, because EnoSeries is in town and I say in town virtually. Hi Eno, what's up? All right, that's a weight you can get right. Yes, it's good radio. If you listen to the last week's episode, we initially plan to go into this whole conversation about the hype 7 entering this year and then also trying to figure out who are the next wave of hype 7, really just trying to understand the great performers of the season and understanding who is going to translate into a good sophomore year next year. That is what this podcast is. We're going to really actually push it this time and really dive into those.

3:06As always, we talk about the guy we cannot get out of our head Eno. Who is that guy for you? Well, I've just spent a little bit of time really diving into Freddie Peralta. He's on a good three game stretch with the raise. It's supported, I guess, by strikeouts and walks. Those strikeouts are not where they used to be. It's supported by some changes. His extension is up with the raise. Back, almost to where it was before, not quite fastball Freddie, but closer to last year, at least the closest he's been to last year, this year. There's extension there. They dropped the wind up. There's some good notes from Lance Prostowski on this. I was a little bit more interested in the change up because the change up has gotten harder, a little bit less drop. Those aspects along with a ridiculous change in usage, he threw as many change ups with

4:12his first, as many right on right change ups in his first start with the raise as he threw in the four starts before that when the man. Then you look and you discover that the raise have thrown more same handed change ups than anybody in baseball. It's not even close. They've thrown like 400 more same handed change ups than the... This is kind of interesting too because they got Brian Baker from the Orioles. They have thrown more than a thousand more same handed change ups than the Orioles. That's the whole thing with Brian Baker. They brought Brian Baker over. They said, please put that slider away. It's hurting you. Let's throw this change up same handed and he became Brian Baker closer. I wrote about that today. That will be up either tomorrow or Friday on the athletic.

5:15But one, the most interesting aspect and I can't just give it all the way. Okay. Okay. You know. But is this article come out though? I am 90% finished with it. I think hopefully tomorrow. Hopefully tomorrow. Well, you know. If you haven't read, you know, his article yet, go read it. Oh yeah. Tomorrow. It doesn't work like that. Well, the thing is, I think there's a benefit for both because I can put this to you and they can see the answer that the numbers provide in my piece, which is just that if you were to guess what shape, what type of change up would produce reverse platoon splits in stuff plus what type of change up might be best suited for this work for same handed work. So is there something to talk about? Well, when you're saying tight, you're talking about circle change versus like a Balkan change.

6:15I think more about like characteristics of the pitch, big drop, big bellow. Okay. So I go to the old school, Foshball of like Felix Hernandez and Zach Granky of like, those guys were able to throw them constantly and didn't matter. That's likely where my head would be. I mean, the thing of Walbert or Anya right now throwing a super hard one and having success with that radio. He has reverse platoons, flit and stuff plus. So you're on to it. I hope there's still a benefit to read in the piece. It's interesting to see it on. Well, that's a whole article and really a really whole podcast that just about that kind of pitch itself. I believe in you. I think it's right. So it's not a whole thing of grips too because you see his website is so cool. And I love that they had the Foshball. They had it in there. And the Foshball is what I threw in college. I threw two types of changes. One was the Fosh, which is honestly, my coach told me as this, you have the two seam or grips. So down the railroad tracks as Lewis Thorpe would say.

7:16And then you just push up further, not to a split, not getting really in there, but just just a little bit more. So now it's like in your hand, but not, you know, it's not all the way down in and all that does is just it pulls off spin, just pulls up a little more spin. I thought the distinguishing characteristic of the fall was that it like so they call it like the sort of dead fish that it sort of comes off these weaker fingers. Oh, interesting. So like having three fingered. So a little bit less than like coming off your two fingers like this, yeah, that it's almost like where you've got this and it kind of comes off here. Oh, okay. So you're pointing at the ring finger. Yeah, yeah. So that it like it, you kind of grip it like the Gossmann's kind of like this. Oh, yeah, yeah. And and and and linseck him. So it looks like a it looks like when you look at it, you're like, oh, that looks like a splitter. But then when you talk to them, they point out that like it sort of slips out that way.

8:17Like that's interesting. It slips out that way like that. Yeah. That's not my translation of a foshball. I could be very wrong with this over the years. Well, that was the idea of like being fish like it comes off like a dead fish. It kind of like, okay. That's not what my understanding of the gnomey creature is. That makes a ton of sense. You know, what I'm for you, it's like something between the splitter. And this is what I always kind of envisioned was what granking and Felix, I know Felix actually a little bit different. But the way that you get to see the last show he has gritted, oh man. Yeah. I mean, look, it's a very personal thing. You know, it's a very specific craft. Being a princess. Others are just like here, here, here, whatever man. No, the thing about it though is that you are just throwing it like a normal fastball, but you're not trying to like a circle change. You make the a o case of ball that you make. Then you throw the two seam or the force seam with your middle and your ring finger, right? And that's why he might sort of. So then it's really into your hand. Like you cannot see the bottoms of my fingers here.

9:18You only see the center of my palm, right? But the fosh, the whole idea of it in my view is that you still see, you still see it. Like you see how the ball is inside those two fingers in that. It looks more like a fastball. So it feels and it feels like it too, but it's still further down my finger, right? It's not like loose like this. Like right, if you look at this, you can see this whole gap. Yeah, we want to rip a fastball. Like a fastball, you're like finger. You barely, you don't want any of your hand touching it. Yeah. So you have as much spin or the fosh then gets a little bit and it reduces it slightly. And I remember my coach even telling me about this. I was like, what? It sounds ridiculous. It just sounds like I'm throwing a worse fastball. And you're like, that's kind of the boy. And then I saw it once. And I remember throwing it once and then having it, like I had a really darting horizontal sinker and or I guess two seamer. And then when I threw this, it was like, it was a good like five, six miles per hour slower, but then had a little extra faith. And it was just completely different.

10:20And I felt like it was anxious because I was all seen as ball like float. You know, no, no, no. No, it was really effective for me. It looked the same. It looked everything. It was just that extra, you know, hesitation. Okay, so check out that. I would need Rasmussen. I'm curious what Freddie Peralta's change of his like. And you're going to find out in Eino's article because you have to go read that still. I'm a huge fan of this and we kind of had the idea that maybe the raise would push it. And I'm seeing it right now like the previous five games, 4%, 3%, 9%, 3%, right handed change ups to from Freddie Peralta. And then the next five games are 24, 27, 7. It can't fall tomorrow. We're just kind of funny. You just mentioned that it was then 32 against Baltimore, 25 against Detroit. And he didn't actually use it too much yesterday against the pirates, oddly enough. He was still some scouting in for action, you know, there's probably Freddie Peralta. Freddie Peralta. The more advanced scouting in ports now probably are saying that these shapes against these hitters,

11:24you know, don't do these shapes. So there's still. That's a whole argument. That's a thing too that I mean, I ran to it about it before of like, okay, these shapes against these hitters great. Can you start just by locating where you want to locate it in general? And we can talk about Robbie Ray throwing a sinker to your donabras. Like the prime example of like, why is that just sliders away? But Freddie Peralta, yeah, I still go back and forth on, yeah, I remember actually when you first learned a slider, I was doubtful that Freddie Peralta would be great because this problem wasn't a pitch. It was command of his forceymer. How am I supposed to expect him now to have a different slide? And that was wrong. Like that slider opened up a huge. And now it's almost gone. Yeah, it was 13th thrown yesterday through those actually 30% of the time against right handers had a lot of whiffs, but also a few strikes. So yeah, he's trying to find the slide. That's the last bit. Oh, I mean, I just think that he's an interesting cat because if his in like a fantasy context

12:27or whatever, but like if he's cheap, I'm in when he gets expensive, I'm out because he has these like great stretches, white hot stretches and terrible and terrible first halves and great second halves. And like in this context, if I were the raise, I would have picked him up in a second because worst case scenario, he bumbles along a little bit and he's just one of your pitchers and you don't have that many pitchers. Like the raise secretly are paper thin, I feel like. Yeah, yeah. But, but you know, then you get him there. And if you you try this, you try that, you know, some of this stuff he's going back to, he did throw more same hand of change up earlier in the year with the mess. So some of that's just going and like getting the extension back, like I'm sure the mets wanted him to get the extension back. I'm sure they were aware of that. I was wondering if I should bring that up because I only saw 6.7 feet of extension for Fredy Perol to recently, like 6.6. Most of the games, the year were 6.6, right?

13:28And he had some moments of 6.4, which probably brought down that average a bit. And then June, it was just at a bottom. So there's just, I think something happened in June, like either health wise or something. Yeah, he just didn't push himself as hard. His arm angle was at its nadir in June. It was interesting. So like he's been pushing his arm angle back up and getting his extension out. So he, these, you know, sometimes the raise will get credit for things that they were already working on. You know, yeah, well, that's so, gosh, welcome. Welcome to analysis of coaching stabs. I know. The first time the raise were like, hey, we think we want to get your extension out there. He's like, what's extension? The brewers and the meds never talked to me about getting the ball out there. What do you mean like my contract expiry? We want to throw some same-hand change. What? No, I never told me to do that before. So like, you know, but when you throw like 400 more, same-hand change ups in second place, then you, you obviously made it of whole strategy that you're doing, you know.

14:30Yeah, that's the thing is that this first three starts. I mean, he did, I mean, went through what Kyle Blend coined the green mile, which is so good, which is going from cores to sacrivaled. Oh, it's good. It's just like completely like a demand problem. Yeah, if we get, if we get, if we get Salt Lake City, Vegas, yeah, we can still use that. Oh, my gosh. Like, I just always say he's going to be great. Like, isn't that also terrible elevation? Yes, it is. Why? Why? Why would just go to another place that's really bad for baseball? Yeah. Oh, gosh. It drives me nuts. But last point, yeah. I should've gone for a second. Yeah. Was that right? He did those games early that were just bad matchups. And we saw three where it was a struggle for proletters, including that one against the Orioles in Tampa Bay. The thought process in my head was like, all right, yeah, he wasn't really going to do well. Anyway, in those situations, at least the first two, but he still kept doing the same thing. And a lot of times things click after you just do the thing a lot.

15:34What do you know? More than 11. You practice. You get better. And it's my whole theory about minor leagues and how development should be done. But what I will say about paralta is that he is crossbody. Jonah Tongue, crossbody. These are the guys that are going to look good at times. They're going to look amazing. And then you say, well, today is a wonderful day. I have no idea what tomorrow brings. Yeah. You've been a little bit skeptical of your savage as well, right? Oh, yeah. I spotted a couple interesting things that I want to bring to your attention on those. The rates of barrels listeners may have heard of this, but we talked to a guy who did some research on injury. And then I poked around with the open command stuff. We talked about that a little bit. And open command, the highest arm slots had the worst mist distances had the worst command. That is fascinating. And in the injury thing, higher arm angles created more injuries.

16:35Okay. Sorry about that. Okay. So. Those are probably related. You think about it. If you're doing something that's going to hurt you over time, then how great are you going to be at commanding? So I have two thoughts. One is there's a natural arm slot, as you know, right? And when you pitch, you can always change your arm angle, but that means you have to change your entire body with it. Right. You know, right now, if you're watching on YouTube, you should, he's doing a wonderful stretch down his blood. He's like, that does his leg. So that is arm is pointing at 12 o'clock, right? And it's right. So that's what you have to do. You have to tilt your entire body and the more that you tilt your body to an obnoxious level. Well, you're not going to want to do that a lot. And you generally don't want to move your trunk as much as, you know, just didn't really shoulders as top hat. Do me feel like that? So I get it there. I have in the past, I guess it's, I guess it's mostly just about being as flat as you

17:36can with your elbow on release. Like a parallel. Mark of man with your shoulder to your elbow, right? As opposed to being up or underneath or just making that 90 degree angle as best as you can. And the reason for that is just that you can turn over easily. And it's going north, south as opposed to doing it at an angle where then you're coming across this way, which is more like four or five degree angle. And then if you do this, inherently, I'm looking at your rotator cuff. Oh, right. The shoulder. But that's why I haven't flacked yet. But my point is I like when your arm is going from 12 to 6 in general, because it means that the adjustments for the strike zone are easier to make from going north, south as opposed to the timing of it going right to left. That has always been my thought process. Maybe say 45 is the ideal one because it's what's the difference a bit. And there is a thought process about the trebuchet of like James Paxton, for example, if

18:37you know him, right, going over the top with it, generally what that means is that the arm lags longer because it's lower for longer than like if you're on the side, right? So it's going down. There's a general thought that shorter arms, arm paths in the back are better. Yes. And this is actually something for I, it's a hundred percent agree. I mean, when I was young, it was like, well, yeah, if my arm is closer to my release point, that means that's the less distance to the work. Yeah, I must work to get here. You know, and remember, and the only reason I didn't do it was because I was told that it put too much tension on my forearm. That like going back, I held this position and I was already tense before I was supposed to loose. And I don't know if I agree with that. I mean, you saw Louis Lucas, you lead, I have his breakout campaign. When he finally pulled it back like this, we saw it with Robbie Ray. We saw it with Shane Bieber at a time. And I actually, I am in general more in favor of that almost that cocked back arm than I

19:40am. The big over the top, the arm, I mean, tell your glass now, you think he knows where he is forcing was going? It's that's the perfect thought process I have of like a perfect example of just the giant over the top that you get over the top. So it conflicts with multiple things a little bit of like I like the idea of arms going from north to south, more than going east to west. And also there are other complications of it. It's probably, yeah, it's probably why like three degrees is the normal arm. Yeah, 337 I think is average, but like, you know, the the actual results when I was looking at them, the the correlation values aren't super strong. However, it was significant. Like it wasn't due to luck. So they were he found something. It's just not it's not like, oh, if you're over the top, that describes, you know, like 40 or 50% of the variance in injury, it's not like that. Right. Yeah. It's just like, you know, the closer you get over the top, the little bit more like the art of the art.

20:40Yeah, sure. And in an open command, I found actually a little bit of the extremes on both sides. Oh, yeah. So bad command on the extremes. Mm. And so like the kind of army, but yeah, yeah, so I might have to speak a little bit to your side side thing. It is probably true. You're coming in from the side. You have big sideways pitches. You have less, like you have less play to work with. It also explains then why the guys that are super at the top are on the side. Like some of them, they can be amazing because if they have the right strikes, consistently, the one that has the command, right? Yeah, right. And then there's all the ones that didn't it didn't work out. Yep. Well, I have a, I have two guys and I'm actually really curious who you like more. Cause I don't really know yet. They're, I think they have a collective three games started between them. And they're from you're nearby town. Um, and we'll talk about them after this break. How do you want to split it? Actually dinners on me. Okay, big money. Well, I got a Venmo balance that I can spend with my Venmo debit master card.

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23:47So don't settle for just any insurance. When it comes to getting the help you need, state farm is the real deal. Like a good neighbor, state farm is there. You know, do you prefer little Caesar's pizzazz or Anthony Melilla? Who is Caesar Prado Mo? Oh, Prado Mo. I haven't looked too closely at Prado Mo. I did look at Anthony Melilla. One thing I liked about him was that his fastball shape isn't necessarily ideal. It's something great as fastball, but he has some velocity. And if you can hold that velocity, he's done some relieving and some starting. If you can hold that velocity, he has two good breaking balls. So I think in terms of, you know, ceiling, he's probably limited with by that fastball shape a little bit, but especially if you like gave him an open or something, I think he could be very effective. But actually, the reason he's bounced around from being a believer to being a starter is because he needs to outvillow that shape.

24:54So he needs to be 95, 96. If he gets down to 94, 93, I don't think he'll be a good starter. So I mean, he has a, he has a high anti-melina. It's like 50 degrees and it's 18 to 19 vert, which I don't, it's hard for me to have the correct calculations of like arm angles. It's like the expected. Yeah, but that seems like it's pretty close to what's expected at that. And it does have some cut to it. Sometimes it doesn't. His command of it was really impressive to me, especially against the Metz. Really did not miss it down in glove side as cashew is just having a field day right now. And come on. Okay. Sorry guys. Now my master band for my own. Oh, yeah, they are. You send me a text randomly. I'll say, oh my gosh, okay. That is an emotional moment. I'm so sorry for you. But you said that Melina has two breaking balls that you like. And what I see in this is an 88, 87, 88 mile per hour slider. That is kind of like a cutter though with a little bit too much vert to it.

25:57It's like an eight, eight vert. And then you have a curve ball that is really a gyro slider with extra sweep at 84 85 84 actually rather. Because it's a zero vert and negative four negative five horizontal. And that's fine. The change up is the interesting one to me because the change up was an 80% strike rate. And almost exclusively thrown against lefties. And you locate that thing beautifully into them. And I'm not super in on Melina. But I see a, I've seen this actually from two guys now. Christian Curtis, who I think is going today. And also Melina are like discount Logan Henderson's. Like they are the four seamer and the change up. And then they have this like cutery slider. Right. You have the big batter. Oh, Melina is like bigger or something. But I mean, Henderson's better. Like it's a better flat. Because it's a flatter. And has good movement based on the arm angle. The change up is.

26:57The lead, et cetera. But I'm just thinking about kind of the mold of the four seamer change up kind of cutter. Not the greatest overwhelming breaking ball. But like it can work. Breaking ball. And I'm just I'm curious how plays out good park and all that kind of stuff. Well, Caesar, Predomo. Is your swatch type trying to do everything you can. It's to survive as a lefty without good velocity. And it was 93 against sedmets. He nailed it. We nailed the blicks. Now blueprint of four seamer's up. Change up down. Like the swatch lifestyle is a left hander. I mean, that was really cool. He could have thrown better sliders. They didn't really get away from lefties as much as I wanted them to. But he knows his. What he has to do. Right. And it's a 16 to 17. Verts four seamer at 93. He kept it out of the zone upstairs. So much so there's only 44% strike rate for Predomo. But that change up just cooked. I mean, 20% swing strike rate 30 thrown is phenomenal. I'm 73% strikes. And did not miss in the middle of the plate very often against the mets.

28:01I don't know if he's going to go again. I mean, he could not. We don't know. I think he's pretty interesting. And look, you deal away. Tell her, Malie, you deal away. Robbie Ray. Blade table isn't doing so well. Adrian Howzer off synch at her Carson wisdom and concert. You're like, who's left here? And then the Giants just spit out Malina and Perdona and they do well against the mets. And it's like, what's kind of cool? I know I do who these guys were. It's pretty fun. The I'm just investigating the Malina Henderson connections. Kind of interesting. They have by dead zone vert delta. So like the difference between their fastballs vertical movement and what you'd expect. Given their arm angle. They have almost exactly the same number. Really? Yeah. It's one one point six, Frantady Malina, one point five for Logan Henderson. There you go. Okay. Where they differ though. And I wonder how much this matters. Is that Malina's horizontal movement on the fastball is closer to dead zone at six inches.

29:04Logan Henderson gets 11 inches of horizontal break. Yeah. And that's more than average. Yeah. And that 11 inches pairs really well with his change up. Right. Yep. Has that minus 19. So I think his fastball and change up look more like each other. Yep. Then Malina's because Malina has a minus six on the fastball and then a minus 16 on the change up. Yeah. I wonder if hitters can spot that it's more of a horizontal pitch. Yeah. And also Logan Henderson has a 1.5. I did just a VA on that. Forseamer a lot. Like he has a flat one. Well, it's 0.8 for for Malina, I believe. Yeah. I mean, I that's height adjusted to interesting. Yeah. Right. So I'm all about height adjusted because it's about where you throw it. Like it's if you throw it down the middle. What I would have just figured you showed up in in dead zone. Say it again. I would have figured this would have showed up in dead zone delta.

30:07Yeah. But oh, the VA the vertical approach angle. Yeah. But Logan Henderson's VA a a a a on Alex Tamboons is. I you know, there's a lot of acronyms. I would just say your your analysis is right that there's some similarities here. I appreciate that. He's not quite. He's not as good. No, no, no. Very important to say discount guys. I mean, I mean, I mean, I get it. But you know, 93. I think actually, maybe more important, even than the fact that his fastball is 93 is that that gyro slider. He throws his 86. I don't know. You like think about like Connor prelet who. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That's not a good one. But it doesn't have great fastball shape. That throws his slider as you know, as as part time fastball. His slider is like 89. Right.

31:07And he's having his own amount of trouble. So predominantly just looks so. You look sort of like a swatch. Yeah, but like not a good one. I mean, the change of the I mean, look, they'll I'll say this. You located well. Right. And like as a rookie, like making your first start to locate well like that and actually show intent. That to me is always some signal of you know, you're not just like chucking it and hoping for the best like you're actually. That's true. The change ups right off the bottom corner slider slider. The left. In the zone. Yeah, I don't like that one. It was more about the fourth seamer and change up combination. For some real. Yeah. Yeah. But we're going to move on to the me and potatoes of this. There he is. All right. You see potato. Oh, the potato. And we got to talk about first the rookies, the young one who became a thing this year. And then how we feel about next year because you know what? Sure, we can have conversations. Oh, would you rather have came slip or you know, like, okay, doesn't matter.

32:10This isn't fancy football when everybody's focused on the first three rounds and all that matters is draft position. No, we're not doing that. You know, okay, I'm not going to have. Well, next year because it's going to be the first two rounds. He's great. And the idea was that last year, the hype seven was very fruitful. I mean, even, absolutely, even you savage being the worst and she and being the worst of them. They were useful at times. Bubba Chandler. And five, I don't know that I had bubble in that group. The real hype seven. I don't think so. The hype seven was. I didn't, I didn't have him like in my in the top 20 in the in the top 30. I don't think it was. What life sign. It was slip the McLean Mizorowski burns. Burns. Savage. You savage. She. Yeah, maybe. I mean, Kate Horton exists, but he's not. Horton, I think. But no, but Chandler was hype more than Kate Horton. Hmm. I had, I had Chandler, like, at 35 or something like that.

33:10I paid at 40. Along those lines or whatever. I, what we're trying to get at everyone is identifying the exciting ones now. And saying, okay, this is someone that actually is, is worthy for next year. And I, I know that you have a list here that you want to imagine, you know, yeah. I have bubble 35. So my hype seven, what, oh, you're a dude, you're. Well, you're was, is okay. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So mine, mine was like guys that I had before 30. So if I had before 30 is Yuri, is she in Burns McClain, Schlittler. And see, I would have put Chandler in there and not she in she in. I got seven. Yeah, Chandler was 35. So he could have been in there. But anyway, mostly what they were were pictures that had shown us something. Yeah, mostly rookies the year before.

34:11And that had shown us enough that we thought in terms of stuff that they had ace like upside. I mean, that's the key for me in when we're discussing today. Because I don't think there is a hype seven this year. Because I don't think we can come up with seven guys every year that have ace like upside and are ready to go in the same way. And it's going to be a distinctive place because, okay, so first of all, Parker, Messick. Best rookie, best rookie pitcher this year, right? I think I even said it last week was like you put, you know, you put every pitcher in a bucket. It's one third of the time they're great one third of the time they're bad and one third of the time you don't really know what they're going to be. That's shapes their season. Messick just like hasn't had the bad. And he shouldn't bank on that. So he's the ultimate holly to me. Like he's not an ace. He's having a career year right now. And I'm not paying for it next year. If it's like top 20, that's 25. Right. I was like put Parker Messick on the mound in your head next to chase burns and Jake. Yeah, right. Well, okay. So it's okay.

35:11What is the list though that you have right now for this of like the ones who are capable and not necessarily being seven of them. But who are the ones that are going to be toughest for us to. I actually think there might be one. Who is that? I think we're going from hype seven to hype one. Is that Logan Henderson? Peyton Toley. Okay. Yeah, fair. I mean, like Logan Henderson should be a Logan Henderson. Yeah. All right. We're going to go to the hype two. Yeah, one in each league. All right. So who would you rather have? Peyton Toley or Logan Anderson. It's actually a very interesting conversation. I'm going to go with Peyton Toley. And I mean, I figured that's what you were going to do because he said one. I said it first. Yeah. But also, you know, one thing that is weird for me about Logan Henderson is. And he's going to be a little bit more honest. This journey of the sweeper. And him. His health.

36:13He threw the sweeper a little bit. And then he was like, nope. Not going to throw that again. And it looked like a pitch. He looked like a pitch that would help him in terms of arsenals. And he's like. Just. And he's like, like toley sturdiness. Yeah. It just looks like. Everyone. Everyone. I mean, like a, a, a, a, a, so yesterday or perhaps, but he just has the thickness that I want. I'm a little bit worried that Henderson is going to go down with injury next year. Sorry. I just have to quote my cousin Veny when every here, the thickness. But. Okay. So what's actually interesting is what I'm seeing as I'm going through a lot of these pictures just in my head right now. is we're seeing not a hype seven, but like a, I have a couple I'm going through my head, I gotta decide. Let's go with a type seven. Cause they're the boring ones who are gonna be typing instead. And the desk, but they do good work. Okay. Or yeah, or, or, or, you know, there's gotta be like the false, the false hype seven, you know?

37:15Like, like this might be it. This might be, if you, if you try to follow last year's blueprint here, you might get some control. Oh, I see what you're saying. Well, okay, if you asked me guys about Logan Henderson, the hype two, right? Who do I like most in the hype two? I'd say it's Kate Kevall. Hey. Kate Kevall should be included in I'm out, but I think a lot of people are because of the inconsistent command and it's because it's too velocity dependent. And this is a, this is a lesson of like, I'm trying to follow as much as I can. When I get excited because velocity increases. And like, that's the reason that like I'm in, and I have to be in more than like top 50 or something, like that's not 40. Cannot do that because we all know they show up in a camp. We're not excited because of the cutter. I mean, the cutter, yes, but the, I mean, I'm more in on Kate Kevall than I was in the preseason because of the cutter. That's, he's a better pitcher, but he's not in ace unless he's throwing like 86, 87-mout-power curve balls.

38:18And 97 plus on his fastball, right? We've just seen that truth for a while. We're not having it. Have success in 96. Well, but Arania's on my list. Okay. He is, I was, I was the next one. I was gonna mention, okay, good stuff. Does he have to throw that hard? He's not a velocity focused one. He's a command focused one. And I don't like that as much, right? Because it's like you have a sweeper that can be very good, but I don't know. The change up is there, but the forcing and the forcing, the forcing, the forcing, the forcing. I think we see you go out all the time. Making it work, but like, you see in these games, you just lose the batter sense. You go, oh no, I don't wanna trust that. I don't wanna lean on this in like a, you are going to be an ace type. There is one more though. One more who I think many players and fans and managers would say carried them through very, for the depths of the summer. And by the way, you used Nate Deer before. Beautiful, he needs to be used more. He's in it. Nate Deer, it's great. Great pairing. No more peaks and valleys everyone.

39:19Griffin, Jacks. If you want to talk about he's upset. That's a weird one. That is a really weird one. Cause it's not really in the spirit of the thing. Right, let me get started. And like what 19, sorry, 2018 or something like that. Yes, it's not a hype. It was like a, it was supposed to be like a hype rookie discussion. You know, I forgot everything about mattresses with Griffin Jacks mid season, right? Like this is just a different person in front of me. Griffin Jacks. Griffin Jacks of Boba Chanemann. Griffin Jacks. Just because I've seen Griffin Jacks do it. And honestly, even as last time doing it was so good. Griffin Jacks was not good, but it was a still ill. And then you have Boba Chanemann was yesterday. Yeah. Did you watch any of it? I haven't, guys, I know. I know I have been much later with my roundups. So sorry. They're all, my life has been busier than ever before. And it's just one of those things where I just need to make choices

40:20and whatever it'll be fixed. But Boba Chanemann went against the White Sox. Not a good offense. It is actually ranked worst tier by PLB projections right now. And Boba Chanemann, I've, if you've honestly said on this podcast, he has a curveball and he has a slider. Really, it's a slider and a cutter. And he said, those more. He did not. It was just forseemer dominance. And even watching him, you know, those games where you have announcers or try, you know, they're doing those greatest they can, I totally understand it. And they give, they, they always have to give credit to the player, right? Something good happens. They give them credit, which is the right thing to do. But also, I think they know, many of the time, like it was not what they were trying to do, but it worked out and everything's great. That was what Boba Chanemann was, because I was hearing, oh, yeah, he's going inside, outside, upstairs, you know, and it's like, no, he's not trying to do a front-tip sinker, but it landed there, you know, and then it goes away.

41:23He's trying to go up and in and he lands away and he's striking out 99. And it's like, they did him his favors too on, on fastballs above his own. Oh, yeah, they certainly did. So this was a massive whiff game on Boba Chanemann's four-seamer. And yet, I'm not going to tell you that it was a four-seamer that just stick. He did have an 11-strike out game this year, guys. And then the end, double digits. Otherwise, he hasn't. This was eight. So no, I'm not buying that game from Boba Chanemann on Wednesday night. And I won't until I see actually surgical, you know, command in a game to execute a game plan and get them out from sequencing effectively. I mean, or save if he doesn't have that, then I would like to see him fill up the zone with dominant secondaries because he theoretically has those. He does in games, though. That's the thing. He sometimes, like, he generally has strikes on sliders and curves, most games. And he just doesn't have the thing to pair. It's almost like the Jackson Job problem, you know, of like, yeah, you have the things,

42:24but how are you using it? How are you going about at bats? Are you? There's these little hidden elements about these guys that are, I don't know, Troy Melton. They feel like it should be much better than this. It's not. And yeah, I can't put, like, you know, if the line is like last year's hype seven, and so that means that the worst picture that you'd want to include was, you have to be as excited for them as you were last year about either Emmett, she and Tray Savage or Yuri Perez or even K-1 or last year bubble, right? So I'm not as excited about this year about what's last year that's clear. And so even Urania, I'm a little worried about the strikeout rate. Walk rate, you should be scared of. I mean, obviously, but even given what you said, I'm not sure. Yeah, okay. He seems more of a sinker guide than the guy's going to get strikeouts. You know, and then you have like Jake Bennett and Parker Messick

43:24and guys who had success this year that, you know, I still just don't, I don't rate their stuff as highly. Like I think they are going to be top 40 pictures for me or something next year. I might just be wrong about Jake Bennett. I mean, he's a strikeout rate isn't there. The Vibilo isn't there, the stuff isn't there, but he keeps doing it. Maybe Messick and Bennett will prove me wrong next year and I should switch gears and just go for like these mellow dudes that can command it, you know, don't have as much stuff. Maybe that's part of this. And the reason that we like to go for younger arms, in general, is because there's more opportunity for them to improve right then developed to actually do something we don't expect. Like, oh, we all have some, you know, now we still want to slide her. And like, oh, look at that thing. It's great. And what I try to do, and I still fail at every year, of course, are go for the ones who I feel have a foundation that is just great, awesome, and they can do more with.

44:27See, that could be, what if that cutter thing, that collider thing, you know, what if he comes here and telling you, it's the way to go. If he comes, the slider, but that shares the same sound as slider, so there's only one difference anyway. Yeah, but it's fine. It's, if he comes back anyway, he becomes back throwing a slider. That could be a real big leap forward. You know, that could almost be like the, the forcing for a, for Jake Bennett, you're saying for sorry, I don't know, you're in. Oh, he just doesn't at night to nine, like if he throws another pitch, fine, whatever, you're still that same guy, I don't think he's going to turn into to more. And then Parker, Messick already throws all the pitches. Yeah, Messick's also already pushed his velocity. That's the thing too, is that his big jump this year, in my view, was going to 94.85 on the force, instead of 93. And then I was like, oh, oh, oh, okay. But that's cool. Yeah, if they drop in your, in your, in your drafts, like I don't, I don't think I'll have them out of my top 40,

45:29like the decent pitchers, they're all decent pitchers. But, and so if they drop because people are going after bigger stuff, but I think maybe the play next year might be to take, you know, big stuff guys even late, like way later, that are interesting. Like, I don't know, like, like the Hagen Smith, I like Gage Jump still, you know, and I know that's a bad park, and I know he's a hipster though. You know that he has it, whether the force team or in the side or can be 70% plus strike pitches, and he gets strikeouts. I just feel like they're good. I don't know what the, the like the tweak is, like maybe it's just like more command in the second year. Maybe it's, you know, he's just more consistent. He's had great games this year. Oh, yeah. So, and that's the thing is like, when you see that kind of peak, I mean, that's kind of why I like Connor Prelim is, you see him execute a beautiful at bat. You know, he took redeemer's, what four or five years to finally consistently execute a slider throughout a season, right? And sometimes it just clicks like that. We have other guys we want to talk about too. There are some of the,

46:30some of the guys who did perform this year, and we're already, you know, who had great performance and maybe slowed down. We'll talk about those for next year, like Sean Burke, for example, Noah Cameron, what do we do with that one? We'll talk about many more after this break. Life happens on your carpet, spills, muddy paws, mysterious stains, but keeping it looking fresh is easier than you think. At the Home Depot, you'll find a wide selection of carpet that lives at the intersection of quiet luxury and remarkable resilience, so durability is a worry of the past. Whether it's everyday dirt or a bigger mess, you can trust your carpet clean easily and stay looking and feeling great. Plus, use home services to get it installed by local professionals. Find your life ready carpet at the Home Depot. Do you remember in school when your teacher had a favorite of everything, a favorite marker, a favorite element, and yes, even a favorite student? Who wasn't me, so let's move on. I want to talk about their real favorite thing, Kleenex tissues. According to teacher lists,

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49:34Whatever. Yeah, no, no, listen to you know, guys, what happened? Is this curveball in a slider have been terrible? Yeah. I mean, those are those that is what has defined Burke's success this year. And they've just not lost a little bit of yellow on the slider. Did he? Yeah, today's roundup is going to be a crash in Burke. I'm seeing my wife 87s and 86s and some 88s from Burke on a slider early. That's good. And then recently it's 85, 7, 85, 5. Yeah. It's a bit of a tick. It's a gyro, right? Yeah. Yeah, maybe this is fatigue. And this is something that I think about. I don't actually calibrate for enough is it's September. You know, August, September, guys, we haven't really gone through the full season consistently in the majors. Like, yeah, you get tired at times. Especially if you're feeling great and you're rolling with this and you have all this energy for it. And then you hit a bump in the road, all of a sudden your body

50:34feels it. It's possible. It's just that. And that would mean to me that John Burke should be great to draft next year if people are just saying, ah, look at how he burned down. And he's not very good. Well, he's going to be fresh at least next year. That's the argument. If that's what you believe it is, it's fatigue. I don't know. It's they won't tell you that. So it's hard to tell with with John Burke. He's a perfect example though. We want to talk about guys that could easily be outside the top 50 who are very much worthwhile early in the season to say, all right, this is someone who is doing what we want them to do or not. And they're not that I move on instead of just taking a Toby or so. The other name I mentioned was Noah Cameron. And we talked a lot about Noah Cameron. And I remember being in early in the year before the year started as a go boy. And then finally, something clicked with him. And he decided to call his own pitches, you know? And Noah Cameron, I got to say, thank you.

51:38I will rant forever that every pitcher should be calling their own pitches. Every single one, if you don't have that skill, then you got to learn it. Because if the catcher is calling it, they don't truly know what you're feeling or not. They don't know if you are aware of the adjustment you have to make for that last slider to nail it this time. Or what you're capable of doing in that very moment. And if they're just saying, well, cool, we got the sinkers inside of your brain. And you're like, yeah, I can't. OK, I just think of Nelson Figuero, throwing that slider that he didn't throw. And it became a grand send of voices of Lou, because he was told by the pitch and go just throw a slider. They didn't have a curveball. So Noah Cameron, I'm loving it. He's in an amazing groove. If he's really cheap at the end of drafts, I'm going for it. I don't believe that he's all of a sudden unlocked himself as like an ace. But this is great to see. And I think we're just doing that. I'm going to have like a baby grows up. And you're like, oh, this is someone

52:40that I put my finger on. He was good. And like I told you he was good. And this feels great. And you know, I remember Seth Lugo. Yeah. You know, and then you're like, but the dog get too excited. He's doing it. It's 92. Right. Exactly. So, you know, I wonder if just really quickly back to Sean Burke. I was running a Claude search while I was talking to you. And I asked, I wonder to myself, I was like, what about pitchers where their fastball is their best pitch by stuff plus are these guys under underrated? Oh, interesting. Yeah. And so I asked who give me all the pitchers who's four seam grades as their best pitch by stuff plus. And who also have a location plus above 100. So good command, good fastball. You know, we'll see about the secondary. Brandon Young. Weirdly, no, the list is very short. It's Cam Schlippner, which that's cheating.

53:41Will Warren. Oh, that's very interesting. Yoshi Nobu Yamamoto. Yes. Oh, like, you know, what has been my bit for three years now? Is this fastball is his best pitch? No, that he should be throwing it upstairs. Oh, right. Yes. He is good command. Tyler Malley. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Sean Burke and Casey Meis. Casey Meis. Really? He's got a over 100 stuff plus fastball. Oh, but this is, I asked for all six. This is just this year. I want all the whole window, please. All window. I would you just ignore me. I asked Claude to do it for all five years that I put in there. And he's like, well, here's this year. You know, struggles with AI. Why? Let's check in. Let's see how he's doing. I'm outside of reporting. I've seen a monitor co-out the window.

54:41Brian Wu. Yeah. Of course. You say Kikuchi. Yeah. Brandon Woodruff. Zach Gallen in 2022. Sandy Alcantara. Yeah. You've been saying you're right. No, no, no, no, you're with the location though. Ryan Nelson, of course. Yeah. Chris Patik in 2025. Yeah. Ryan Nelson's on the phone. Oh, but that was relief. Relief Patik. Yeah. Lance Lynn. Lance Lann. Of course, Lance Lynn is the patron saint of this. Yeah, yeah. Chris Babitch. Adrian Hauser. Miles Michaelis. Sean Versaugh here. Multiple times. Jake O'Doretti. I would say this group is necessarily under underrated. Well, what's interesting is that the stuff part, like I would not think of Michaelis as having a high stuff for Samaribos, probably like when it was 95 and not like 92 when you're seeing it. It was early in the sample, yes. Okay. But Burke is on that list at the very least.

55:43And the difference also is that I don't want to say that Michaelis has great secondary is Paul. I would say that Burke's are likely a higher quality. Yeah, I mean, this is this is model specific. So this is just asking stuff. Plus what are things? But I think he kind of he does remind me a little bit of these guys where I mean, a little bit like Ryan Nelson where it's like, well, right. It's fastballs. Clearly his best pitch. Yeah. You know, and then he's trying the other things to like sort of make it work around the fastball. Exactly. It's worked better than Ryan Nelson. So then a man for Ryan Nelson. I think, I think, you know, I think I might actually have some shares with Burke next year. There we go. We got a little person stock baby. Cameron a kind of doubt because I know that people, people who are younger than me, the way that I would like to draft Cameron is almost like in a draft and hold as like a like a seventh starting picture where I'm just like, he pitches for me sometimes. He doesn't pitch for me all the time. He has a good home park.

56:46Good division. Mm-hmm. Right. I mean, there are other names to to throw out that I am curious to hear what you think of because again, these are ones who performed well this year or at least around roles at the moment. And we're assessing who are the ones that are more than just like a Vargas rule, more than like, okay, the Cal control right now, which is just okay. Or the war right regas, which is just white on earth, even though by the way, 120 whip throughout like all of this. It's still one. I do. I do. Do you know that he doesn't even really get it? They've asked him and he's like, yeah, I don't know. I just make my mind. He is executing and commanding really well. Changeups and forcing him. Yeah. He's doing well. He's a swatch. Yes. Oh, yes. He's sometimes you just got to go with it. Sometimes. So I guess, you know, it's not a hype seven answer because yeah, right. Well, no, this is this is from hype seven. This is more about like just what about the strategy? Yeah. As a strategy aspect, you know, have a swatch on your team. Oh, gosh.

57:46Yes. No, just make sure you have a swatch. Yeah. Left a left ease dominated last year out of nowhere. It was just like all lefty, lefty, lefty, lefty. And I needed the term and I went through all these with I think that has actually taken a step back a little bit and may have something new with ABS. Oh, lefties are not quite as dominant this year. Yeah. And yet we do have of course, as you mentioned, Eduardo Riga's. There's the Nick Martinez, Vargas rule two that we're not going to really accept. And Michael Walker once again, he's just like, I won't go away. And next year will be the time I actually have a couple shares of this year because in draft and holes, I was like, dude, he's alive. He pitches in Kansas. Yeah, right. Right. Why is this available? That is, it's incredible. I know I should for you though, this could be that could. It's not hype seven, but like I've heard some more positivity from you than I'm I might necessarily have about this guy. Uh-huh. So tell me about Quinn Matthews. Okay.

58:46So this was actually a funny week. I'm fully skipped over the names that we mentioned the last week who would be in hype seven. Yeah. Andrew painter, Kate Anderson, you mentioned Quinn Matthews. Yeah. And that's it. Right. And since then, Andrew painter just had a really bad ining, I think it was. And then you have and the four-seemer stuff is going worse. Kate Anderson slowed down and you know, Jerry still out kind of we we need to see him get his feet wet. Not making the case like a chase burns and gosh, no, no, no, but he's like he's showcasing himself as as a premier swash type like he's like a messic almost kind of thing. And it was a little bit more with ability, I think. I actually am thinking of it's funny. I'm seeing a lot of these lefties and this includes Quinn Matthews. All pause who are taking the next step to throw sliders up, set handed to back foot sliders. Those are the ones I'm starting to get really interested in because redeemer's finally did it.

59:47You see the ability to get strikeouts with it. Matthew Libertor has like a 30% K rate over his last eight games, even though like the ratios are not amazing. But it's because slider usage, the right handers went through the roof. And not a big surprise. I couldn't mean that more walks happen. He's not necessarily throwing past. For a homeers, probably for a homeers walks and strikeouts. But right. So it is something at least to monitor that this is happening in Quinn Matthews is best pitch in the minors and why I was crediting his incredible run this summer. Why what I credit his run to rather was that slider facing a lot more lefties than he would in the majors because they wouldn't care about poll tuning in the minors. And Quinn Matthews change up is not nearly as good as it. So Quinn I think does have a good fastball. Something I really do take to heart is when I watch this guy pitch, does he feel like he's actually executing and and able to throw a fastball on there and it's not just going to get crushed and it's going to either fell off or it's going to he's going to find a

1:00:49strike here and there and he's like battling every single time. And quit Matthews. I feel like does that. He's on a good defense of a team and in a good home park. And the change up is really the main element that I want him to focus on this off season. But I see those three items. I see that good enough fastball like it's not bad. You have a slider that does its job. It should at least against lefties and can be weapon or eighties. And then you have the change up that I think actually perform pretty well against your giants. I think the forcing was the one that lacked it could be wrong there. But that is interesting. Like give him a little more time and there definitely could be something with Quinn Matthews. I'm in. I think he's going to be relatively cheap too next year. And he's the kind of guy that I would go for. Yeah, I think here's the thing that's kind of interesting is that he has some similarities to Burke in that the secondary's aren't that good. I noticed you like kind of went through the checklist, but you didn't really talk about the slider in the curve, which were. I mean, I think the slide is the best pitch actually.

1:01:51But he throws it. It's an 85 mile hour gyro. So yeah, from a lefty that's not actually so bad if you can look at us. And then it's not. And then he gets it down and in effectively tops the handed batters and against lefties, like lefties down. The curve is 75. Oh, the curve is a show me. I didn't mention the curve at all. Yeah. Do you know the same change up gets a little tighter is it's got a big movement pattern. So maybe he figure something out about the change up. I don't know. I don't know. And what's also weird for me is why are his walks high? Location plus is fine. I remember watching him in college and thought that's actually pretty an easy answer. Was that because he's a rookie? You know, oh, he's getting squeezed. No, he's nervous. It's like, I think there are these guys that when you see a higher strike rate and a

1:02:51higher walk rate than you expect, that to me is a showcase of consistency of execution. White though. What's up? 99 innings in Mono League this year. Yeah. 17% walk rate. Okay. That's where they go. So you're telling me you got me there. Do you guys have 70% of the stuff? Yeah. 16% walk rate. Well, I mean, what I'm the point of trying to make is that generally do you steam or elevated walk rates from rookies because they're not necessarily polished to always execute consistently. And like they'll have the like innings are killing it. The killing and then adversity comes and they're not as good as veterans to make the adjustments on the fly. So you have like the back to back walk innings or you have like the, you know, you'll have those. No, I buy it generally. I mean, it's really interesting because in the low minors, he didn't walk anybody. And even like his fangiraffes, a prospect report has, I don't know how long I've seen this, 35 present command, 50 future. So there's this idea that like he will grow into his command.

1:03:53His location plus is 102. When I watched him in college, I thought this is a polished guy with a big arsenal and great command. And so I don't know, even when I watched him this year, you know, there'll be an impact. I'm like, yeah, that's him. And then right out of that, I'll be like, what happened? That's what I'm referring to. Yeah. And I feel like you see that more and more with rookies because obviously they're just not that's not going to be. They're not. Yeah. And that's part of the process of being the majors and coming into your own a bit. Well, I just wrote, I'm just not sure the ceiling. I mean, the 937. Yeah, I guess that. I'm sure the way I see it is I see a I see a arm that's like, this is, this is fine. This is a Toby at worst. You know, like I don't think I think in 12 team, when X here, you'll be fine having Quinn Matthews. I think if I'm picking between Matthews and painter as an example, I'm going to take painter. I think I agree with you. OK. Yeah. All right. I mean, it's just please don't.

1:04:54I don't know that fast. Well, just be the one that we liked. Not that happens bad. Is there anyone else before we wrap this one up here that you feel that we haven't really touched on who are like Troy Melton a little. We don't know what to do. Jackson Job. I'm just. Oh, I think it's a full entry. It's a possibility for the hype seven. He's kind of boil line. We just didn't talk about him because he's been hurt for so long, honorily early. Oh, I mean, I've such a soft. Is he more is he more Jake Bennett? He part of the message or is he more totally? He is. Yeah, he's the perfect bridge between them because he has a little bit more stuff outside. He's probably not fully realized yet. Completely not. No. And I will give the nationals credit for it does seem like they are improving their coaching staff from like the old days of it. It doesn't matter how hard you throw ball for. So I have more optimism than I used to just remember to throw ball for.

1:05:54Yeah, right. But I was yeah, Connolly early. Connolly early was like almost like the unicorn. You know, he's got like the Col Reagan's type of being having all these pitches and then was throwing 95 and you have with ability while also being hard to hit. And then it wasn't as good when we first started this year and then he got hurt and now we don't really know what the status is. I would like to be interested in our next year. Yeah, you know, in terms of team context, he's out of that park. I mean, that's part of the bridge either. Yeah, but I think Boston. It's the Boston. Yeah. And then and he's out of that division, which is always a murderous row. Yeah, actually, I'm going to say this. You got your hype three right there. High three. High three, baby. What's up? High three. How many early above kid Cavalli his teammate? Yes. Even though the injury pays.

1:06:55Kid Cavalli doesn't have the injury. Well, I mean, Connolly early, I don't even know if he's going to return this year and what his like is okay. There's a high two and a half. All right. We have to have to get more information. I mean, I'm not going to pick him if he's had Tommy John, you know, is it what hype? Like that's two and a half. As many peas as they are in pre-lib. Yeah. All right. Oh my gosh. I mean, kind of for you though, but to be is you should be considered inside of this. I make able when he returns. I'm a huge fan of early injury, man. I think it's just the hype to it's a hype to and then these are all teachers that you have to remember next year. And of course, we're going to go through them. I mean, I'm going to take pain tolling. I'm taking people if there is a guy that I've got my top 20 next year that I would take and have the people might say, but he hasn't done it for a full year. It's it's telling him. You hate what people say that so much don't you? I don't know.

1:07:55It's just I mean, I do too. I do when it's like that, but that's it. It's not he says he hasn't done it for more than 10 innings. And I'd be like, yes, that's a good point. I think I remember ranking DeGrom, like I want to say fifth after coming back from Tommy John or something like that or whatever it was. Maybe it wasn't that high, but it was something I was like, yeah, this is whatever. And then I heard someone say he hasn't thrown more than blank innings in X amount of years. And I'm like, he had Tommy John. Yeah. I mean, that's going to okay, like that's yes, we know that. Those are the kind of arguments where it's just like, yeah, okay, that's not and we know this is clearly taken into consideration. I mean, if he did, if he had just a bunch, he'd be number one. Right. He would be one. But anyway, I, oh, man, I feel like there's just one that is just hanging out there screaming for us to include the me know. I feel like I had the rookie filter on.

1:08:56So there might be somebody who's not a rookie that's been kind of going through the wilderness that they were not thinking of. I mean, you can maybe put Yuri Perez back on. I know there is one, you know, and you are going to hate. You forgot the Braxton X crafts in the five sessions. That's it. Braxton has crapped his last. Because Braxton, you know, was like, yo, I want this guy and I was like, I cannot believe you. And what do you know? Absolutely killed it. Now the second half has been weird. They've also I feel like they're limiting him and he's not going at it. You know, it's just a different feel for accident craft. I don't care what you say. They could be how do you know, Jared Jones could be like, you know, like, I was probably excited about Braxton, Ashcraft and Jared Jones next year as I was about Bob Chan with this year. So I think those guys will be in the 30s somewhere. OK. But hash graph has got to get a little bit of a ding for the injury. I mean, this is a huge workload for him.

1:09:57And he's had like multiple surgeries, not all on arms. Like he the red legs and other body parts involved. But you know, it is part of his story. And we're not touching Cal Harrison. I think I think that's a big injury, man. I think there's something, something not good there. Flexor also flexor injuries are precursor Tommy Jones. Yes, they are. They absolutely are. And I think I think I've exhausted. I mean, Jared Jones, Jared Jones just drives me up the wall. I'm sorry. I don't believe in his command enough. I don't feel like he can just do the thing and it's great and cool. Awesome. He could be incredible. And maybe not. It's he's the one where like guys, I can't give you analysis. It's really just on him to just do the thing or not. And I cannot at this point. He's totally my cat. Which means that he's failed me in the past. Like, he threw at him and failed me in the past. But I just, you know, I look at a 27% strikeout rate for his career, 28th this year. I look at a 98 mile hour fastball. Even location blesses it's not terrible command.

1:11:00But I get you. I mean, I've watched. Right. It's like the kind of thing where he might miss in the zone. And it's just oops, like that's a bad miss, even though it's in the zone. And it might not get credit is such. Can we read a M. It's she in. Yeah. Let's give it another go. But see, even if we're like, we're kind of shoe horning some of these guys in the back end of the I've seven. It's not it's not quite the same. No, it's absolutely not. Christian Scott Brandon Sprote, those two. It's there. And that I'm I'll take them. I'll get into them. But they're more in that age jump. Like, you know, like they've done something interesting and I want them. Maybe, but I definitely not put them in my top 30. And then you have two cardinals from this year. Kyle Leahy and Dustin May. Yeah. There you have it guys. Yeah. It was about Friday, probably go and do that.

1:12:00Next we, I mean, look, we have two and a half weeks left of the season. So my goal, I'm trying to do it now, which is I say it every year and I never do it, but I'm going to try as hard as I can this year to actually already have rankings for the following season, ready the week of the off season. So the first week. I'll just try to have a look at my first pitch Arizona. Okay. So what I would want to do is to wrap up this. We have two episodes left of the regular season. Two weeks we're going to have a rankings podcast. So you're going to make me do mine? No. I'm going to make you be prepared to quiz me. Oh, okay. I got you. Yeah, we'll do it. Yeah, the other way around. I get to yell at you. Yeah, you get to yell at me. Oh, that means that it will get me into it and preview it. Maybe I got to adjust this just that so that I can be ready for Monday. But that is it guys. So thank you all so much for listening today. Well, forget what we're going to do next week. Don't worry about it. Our favorite streams on the stretch. It's cool.

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