Can Trump be shamed into supporting human rights?

After three decades at the helm of Human Rights Watch, the former executive director Kenneth Roth has written a memoir about his time campaigning against human rights violations around the world – including in the Palestinian occupied territories. As the Albanese government faces increasing public pressure to take action against Israel, Roth speaks with Nour Haydar about why he thinks there’s always a strategy to pressure governments into supporting better human rights outcomes