Breaking ICE / Interview with Sonali Kolhatkar | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

In this episode of DeProgram, Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas sit down with journalist Sonali Kolhatkar to discuss her new book Breaking ICE: Community Defense against State Terror and MAGA Fascism.

The conversation covers the on-the-ground reality of intensified ICE operations, workplace raids, surveillance, and detention conditions, then shifts to the organized pushback she documents from Maine to California.

Kolhatkar, an award-winning multimedia journalist based in Pasadena, hosts the nationally syndicated program Rising Up With Sonali. Born in the UAE to Indian parents, she previously worked as an astrophysicist before moving into broadcast journalism in 2002. Breaking ICE collects her interviews with organizers, lawyers, labor leaders, artists, and scholars. The book traces both the human cost of enforcement and the tactics communities are using to protect neighbors, document abuses, and challenge the broader policy direction. Kolhatkar places particular emphasis on Los Angeles as a testing ground and a site of resistance.

Join us for a discussion about U.S. citizens mistakenly detained, linking immigration policy to earlier U.S. interventions in Latin America, and abolitionist frameworks applied to ICE—while arguing that the current moment will shape whether the country moves toward a more open multiracial democracy or a more militarized enforcement state.

The episode includes listener questions.

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