Brass Band Brouhaha: Clancy Trial Gets Heated Before Judge Declares Mistrial, Plus Blue Collar Boom with John Carney | 9.04.26 - The Grace Curley Show Hour 1

0:00Sugar, spike, and everything. These were the ingredients chosen to create the Grace Curly Show. Radio TV, print, Grace Curly does it all. I'm waiting for the door for my Pulitzer. She's in the video. She's just the worst. Yeah, she's a wacko. She is, she is the devil. I'm in hell. Now here's the millennial with the mic. She still leaves me both breathless and speechless. I love her. I love her. She is the best. Something we'll ask you to say Grace. Grace Curly. Hey. Hello, hello, hello, hello, and happy Friday to all of you. A beautiful Friday here at the Grace Curly Show. We had a lot of movement today in the Lindsay Clancy trial. Today marked day seven of deliberations. The jury again, telling the judge they're deadlocked,

1:00but there was a lot of drama in the courtroom. The four person sent a note to the judge yesterday saying there was one holdout. So now we know the breakdown. We had all speculated what's the breakdown. What's holding things up? God, maybe it's six. Six. It could be anything. Nine, three turns out it's 11. So one man, Lindsay Clancy's attorney, Kevin Reddington, let the cat out of the bag with that one. I kind of think it was on purpose, by the way. One man was holding it up. Those other two men are weak. You know what I thought was strange, though. Is they all keep saying, like even the four person who wrote the note, you need to re-explain reasonable doubt. He's not getting it. And I make the comparison to like when you watch a movie that someone loves and you go, I didn't really like it. And they're like, you just don't get it. You don't get them. You don't get the theme. And you're like, no, I get it. I don't like it. It's like when I man's playing to you. Yeah, I feel like they were, they were femme-splaining. I feel like this jurors sitting there going, no, I get what reasonable doubt is. I had to sit through this whole thing too.

2:01I listened to the instructions. I just came to a different opinion than you. Then Reddington says, well, we don't like his opinion or we don't like his verdict. So toss him out and replace him, which you guys know I love to use this, this guyco commercial all the time. But that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. I mean, I'm no legal beagle. Oh, yeah, I'm the furthest thing from a legal beagle. But I know that when you have a jury, just because one person, I mean, is anyone seen 12 angry men? Either version? Is anyone seen the play? You know what one of the YouTube comments was below the 12 angry men trailer, which I watched today. Someone said we did this play in high school, but we only had six people. So we had to be twice as angry. I thought that was funny. All right, we're going to talk Lindsey Clancy though. If you're tuning in and you're like, grace, you talk about this every day and now you're not going to start with it. And you get the opportunity to get John Carney on the show to talk about the economy. And when there's good news on the economy, you take that opportunity. You don't miss that shot. Okay. So John Carney joins us now. And we're going to play him in with some beautiful sound from my favorite, my, the only

3:03other person I love more on the economy than John Carney is Rick Santelli. Give me a kiss. On your seats, folks, non-farm payrolls for the month of August, up 162K, 162,000. That's basically three times what expectations are. Now here's the fly in the ointment. The two month net revision is minus, excuse me, it was minus 103,000 last month. It's plus 55,000. All right, John, give me and we'll get into some of the specifics here. But give me your first reaction to this jobs report. This shows that we have been dramatically underestimating the strength of the labor market. As even Rick Santelli, who I love as well, he initially said, well, there's going to be a fly in the ointment, right? The revisions will be bad from passbubs. Third fact, very good.

4:05The negative jobs number that we had for July, that everybody said, oh, no, you know, bad things are happening. We actually got revised to a positive number. We had 55, if you had the June and July revisions, both positive, we had 55,000 more jobs coming into this month than we thought. We added 162,000. You add that together and we're actually, and people thought we were only going to add around 50,000 jobs. We're actually around 200,000 jobs higher than we thought we would be. This is a very strong labor market. And tell me what these jobs are because that's another big part of this story. Absolutely. We are having a blue color boom in America. We've added 58,000 manufacturing jobs since December in August. We added 16,000. That's a very good month. Construction added another 22,000.

5:06So this isn't coming from the retail side. It's not like people getting hard time jobs for baristas. This is actually full time employment in manufacturing, in construction, driving the boom. Yeah. And you've written about a manufacturing renaissance before a job. But what is driving that? What is helping the manufacturing industry so much right now where we are seeing all these new jobs? There are three things driving it. One is the promise that we are no longer going to allow manufacturing in the United States to be destroyed by China, by trade deficits. We are providing businesses with the reassurance that America is going to be in manufacturing nation and that this is going to be important to the future. That allows more investment in it. And that's leading to more hiring. That's leading to more output and it is leading to higher productivity.

6:06The other thing is that the tax code changes that we made that allow capital expenditures to be expense rather than have to be depreciated over years. That also encourages investment. That's really driving things as well. And then finally, I think it's an animal spirit thing. I think that people, we've been told for decades, we just got to get used to it. We're not going to have a manufacturing economy anymore. We're just going to have a service economy. Your wages aren't going to grow very much. You'll have to go to graduate school if you ever want to job again. We're changing that. And I guess the one other thing is we also have an AI boom going on in America. That is feeding a lot of demand for not just the high tech AI stuff, but there's a lot of construction going on and that requires things like refrigeration.

7:07It requires equipment to move earth and to build things. So that's also feeding it as well. I was going to go to the Fed, but because you brought up AI, I do think that we should note that Scott Besson had some comments about AI recently at a meeting in North Carolina. And he said they've done a horrendous job of explaining themselves to the American people. I've often felt that AI has bad PR because depending on what you consume, a lot of it can be very negative. AI is going to destroy us, AI is taking away all the jobs. And then you'll hear from some people who have a more positive spin and they'll say, no, it's going to make us all more productive. It's going to create jobs. It's going to stop eventually car accidents and it's going to help cure cancer. So do you agree with Scott Besson and also talk a little bit if you would, John, about his fear that the benefits of all of this AI and all of the AI adoption will not accrue to a small group, but will actually help everyone and kind of lift all boats type thing. So I think that's right.

8:08First of all, the AI people really have done a terrible job and not just a terrible job of PR. Many of them were out there saying, well, we think we'll eliminate all the jobs that have ever existed and nobody will have any work to do. That isn't what is going to happen. I'll just say that. This is we're not going to have AI replace all jobs. In fact, what's more likely to happen is AI will create extra demand for labor because as you just said, it will make workers more productive. It will shift some jobs. A lot of jobs that I will call and particularly jobs that I'll call and I used to be one of these keyboard monkey jobs where your job is to just process small pieces of data and write emails to other people. Those are going to contract because AI will take away some of the busy work from offices. But that will mean people will be able to actually have far more productive and far more

9:09useful jobs. So, AI is going to be a net positive. But frankly, the AI people are not the best friends of their own business. They should have, I mean, look, they're spending trillions of dollars in AI investment. They really should just think about spending a few million dollars to hire some people, help educate people about what's going to happen. One problem is I don't think the AI people are really great about economics. I don't think they understand how the economy works. So they may genuinely believe in fact that in some ways it will be bad for people, but they're not right about that. Technology tends to actually help the mass amount of people. If you think about people are so much better off today than we were 100 years ago and a lot of that has to do with technological improvement. AI is going to be the next step in that. John, switching gears here, tell me obviously Iran affecting the price of oil, affecting

10:14a lot of the economic outlooks of Americans right now. Tell me where we're at in this war. Can we win this war economically through these sanctions, through just kind of destroying Iran's ability to pay anyone, let alone proxies? Is that enough? And are they really feeling this tension right about now? Do you see this being enough to kind of break them to where we do gain control of the street of war moves and things can kind of start to get back to normal here? I do think it will be enough. We are actually making very important moves around the world, including most recently an announcement from the Treasury Secretary that we are cutting off Iran's financial ties to Turkey. That's really important. And but I think it's better in fact for us to be doing this economically rather than kinetically, right? The bombing had a big effect. I think it really may have been possibly necessary in the beginning moving towards the economic

11:18stage of this is better, but it probably requires some patience. It will take a while. However, I do think that the price of oil will be in the future less and less dependent on anything that happens in that region. Trump is encouraging massive investment at home and oil production, but also in Venezuela. Venezuela is something like 14 to 20 depending on what estimates you look at. Of the world's oil reserves, it only produces 1% of the world's oil. It can become a major player, but now that we have free it from the tyranny of Maduro and the US oil companies are actually moving into the region they are going to invest, bring that on, that will make Iran's, whatever happens in Iran much less important to the world economy, to the US economy and to the price of oil. My last question for you, John, is how do you think the Fed is going to react to this jobs report? What are they looking at?

12:18What are they concerned about? What are they happy about? So it definitely increases the odds that the Fed might hike interest rates. Not for any bad reason, but for the good reason that they no longer have to worry much about the labor market and economic growth. That part of their mandate, they have a dual mandate, which is maximum employment and price stability. We've got the maximum employment part. So they are now going to focus on inflation. Inflation has been coming down, but if they raise interest rates, they will view it as an opportunity to make inflation come down even faster. It's good. And frankly, the thing that people are most worried about is what will that do to mortgage rates? I don't think mortgage rates go up very much if the Fed raises. They may come down because the long term inflationary picture gets better. And so people will say the Fed raising rates now may mean lower rates over a longer term,

13:19which will bring down mortgage rates. But people may be surprised. They say, oh no, the Fed hiked. That doesn't mean higher mortgage rates. A big thing will happen next Friday. We'll get the next week we get the inflation reports out of the U.S. government. That will really be what decides what the Fed does when it meets later this month. John Carney, I thank you so much for joining us. And I really encourage everyone to sign up for the Breitbart newsletter. It's Breitbart.com, Backslash Newsletters. It's free. It's a really great resource. And you can also follow John on ex at Carney. Oh, John, wait, one more question. This is just me being a gossip and you don't have to answer if you don't want to. But I know you're close with people at Fox Business. I know you go on there all the time. Any scoop on what happened with Maria? I'm getting a lot of conflicting reports out there. You know, I don't have any deep insight into it, but I do have to say, look, Donald Trump has a job opening. He needs suppressed secretary. Maria Bartolary. Imagine a person more qualified to promote the president's agenda than Maria Bartolary.

14:25She would be amazing at that job. And it is a tough job that most people could not do. Maria Bartolary. Rome is one of the hardest working people in American journalism. I think if she wants that job, it should be hers. Absolutely. Yes, I agree. Thank you, John Carney. I appreciate you coming on such last last minute notice. And we really love having you. We'll be right back. I'm more to get to after the break. The Grace Curly Show will return. This is the Grace Curly Show. So today is last day for preorder, right? That's right. So if you want to get mass corruption volume two, if you want to preorder it and get that discount with the preorder, go to GraceCurlyShow.com. And click on store. Before I leave the office today at 6 p.m., I am canceling the preorder sale. You're shutting it down. So if you forgot or if you've been meaning to do it, this is your reminder.

15:27And by the way, it's all about Karen. Well, not all about there's a lot of Karen reading here. And Karen was mentioned quite a bit today, not only in the coverage of this, but I think Reddington brought it up too. We're going to get to Clancy in just a minute. But I wanted to give a little update on Maria Bartolary. Because I was really sad about this yesterday. I like Maria. I like watching her. It's great. And I was surprised. And there's been some rumors of like why she was taking off air or what's going on. I know the rumor about she's going to be Trump's press secretary. I don't think that's true. But John Solomon did put out, and I trust John Solomon on this stuff. He said, the reports that Maria Bartolary was fired are not true. She remains under contract with Fox News and receiving her pay until 2029. She's been removed from the air and won't return. But she continues to remain with Fox at present under the pay or play provision of a contract, which is common in television. That's crazy. She'll be making it. And she doesn't need it, by the way. I think she's pretty set. She's being paid not to go to anybody else. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like a non-compete. Yeah.

16:28That's nice. That's kind of, I mean, she's raking it in. Now let's talk poll question. Because you're very proud of this poll question. And I don't blame you. We were trying to put, we were going to do a Clancy poll question, but we've kind of beat a dead horse here. There's so many poll questions we've done about Clancy. So Taylor put a little razzle dazzling. It's a Friday. It's a Friday. Today's poll question is brought to you by how we's new book, Mass Corruption Volume 2, The Text and More, The preorder sale ends this weekend. Say $5 by pre ordering your copy before the sale ends. Go to GraceCurlyShow.com and click store to preorder Mass Corruption Volume 2. Today, Taylor hit him with the PQ. Today's poll question, which you can vote in at GraceCurlyShow.com is, what's the best court remove. 12 angry men, a few good men, legally blonde, my cousin Vinnie, the verdict to kill a mocking bird or other. I remember watching to kill a mocking bird in school. I've got to rewatch that as an adult. It was, I don't think I was wild by it. Boring as a kid.

17:28Yeah. It was like you read the book and then the prize was then we get to watch the movie in class. And then you'd start watching the movie and you're like, God, bring back the book. This is brutal. At least the book was in color. Yeah. Right. This is terrible. I'm going to go my cousin Vinnie. Okay. So let me just update these results here to get the latest and greatest, most accurate results for this poll. I could, I could pick some, I love legally blonde. I love a few good men. You can't handle the truth. I love all of it. So when I started out the poll question just a few minutes ago, look to the results. My cousin Vinnie was at like 55%. It's dipped to 43%. Okay. Still in first place, second place, 12 angry men at 24%. Wow. I wonder which version probably Henry. Henry Fonda. Yeah. Nobody knows about the Tony soprano version. I'm getting the word out. I'm a disciple. I'm a missionary for the TV version. For the Jack Lemon James get Alfinney Tony Danza, Hume Kronin and so many others. It's hard to make a movie like that though when everyone when everyone's just in one

18:31room tied for third place. No, there's no actions. Just them sitting around a table. Tied for third place is a few good men and the verdict 12% killing a mocking bird at 4%. Nobody's voted for legally blonde. 6% say other. More people say other than here. Still. I'm never going to be good enough for you. Am I? Is that a line? That's really a blonde. We'll be right back. Kevin Reddington is or was asking the SJC for an emergency stay after Judge Sullivan moved for a mistrial. Now Judge Sullivan gave him one hour. That hour is up. That hour is up. The hour is done. The hour is done. Taylor is very strict about this. We should be back. We should be looking at. You were four minutes past deadline here, Judge. If an hour does not mean 60 minutes in court, what does it mean?

19:33But dude, it could be the hour is definitely up. The clock is done. But now it's a matter of everyone go to the bathroom, get your water or that kind of thing. That's more than an hour. They had that time to do that. No, the hour was until the hour was getting the stay. You didn't get the stay. Now the hour is up. There's no more stay. Well, we don't know that. Yeah, that's true. This is your. Well, let's bring on 18 because when they do resume, Nate has to leave. So we only have him for a very short amount of time. Nate, walk me through. Let's say the last 24 hours of this trial, it's been a roller coaster. Oh my gosh. I could play that again. I'm getting worried that people are going back into the courtroom. So your countdown clock may need to stop in just a few minutes. Basically yesterday, yeah, there you go. We learned about a juror, one juror, apparently a male who does not have some questions about reasonable doubt, apparently. And it sounds like this one juror is holding out for the prosecution side and the 11 others

20:34are on the defensive side. And so the judge called them in one by one by one, had them swear to understand that they would follow the rules. Kevin Reddington moved to have the juror kicked out the judge denied that. Then this morning there was another hearing about this very issue. We learned more that Kevin Reddington said this juror does not understand what reasonable doubt is. And because of that, the jury's, the jury can't progress. They're not able to continue discussions. And he again asked for the juror to be removed. The judge said no. They continued deliberations. And then about an hour ago, an hour and a half ago, the judge sent the jury sent a note to the judge saying we're very sorry. We cannot reach a decision. The judge said we're going to have to move for a mistrial. And then in the last ditch, hell effort. As you just mentioned, Grace, Kevin Reddington said no, I want to stay. And he was given one hour to file this day. And we'll see what happens any minute now. Yeah, I want to talk about that part about removing the juror, Nate, because you follow Nate is from courtroom inside East Idaho news.

21:34He follows this stuff all the time. How strange was that? That seemed very, you know, antithetical to what our justice system is about, to me, at least, hearing that because this juror, and you can argue, he doesn't understand reasonable doubt, but he might just disagree with the other jurors. So we don't like what he has to say. So we're going to remove him. Is that ever work? I know. I know that I know that it was unusual. Now if the juror refused to follow the rules, then yes, they should be removed. But all of the jurors saw that they will follow the rules. And the judge even said, I can't remove one just simply because it favors your side or it would favor the other side. That's what these discussions are all about. And what was interesting to me, Grace, is that this looks like it came down to 11 to 1. I thought it might be 5 to 7 or 6 or something like that. No, it was the whole room versus 1. And then the question is, if that one is so devoted to what they believe and what they

22:37felt, the jurors went home and slept on it. Then they came back today and they still cannot move forward. So even though they were sworn in, and when I say they were sworn in, Lindsay Clancy was feet in front of them. Kevin Reddington wheeled her up to the judges sidebar with the prosecution and the defense in the judge. So you're looking at the defendant right there and they're swearing, yes, we will follow the rules. And this one particular juror apparently just cannot, does not agree with the fact that she did this because she was criminally insane. They believe it truly was murder. Walk me through Nate, the claim from Lindsay Clancy's attorney, Kevin Reddington, that his emergency appeal was warranted under the Americans with Disabilities Act. What was his thought process there? And do you think it holds? I would be shocked as it held. I would be, again, I think it was kind of a hell marry. I think at this point in the trial, Kevin Reddington yesterday told all the press, I don't want to retry.

23:37That he said, he said, I beat the S out of them, the prosecution. He said he doesn't want to retry. This key witness, Dr. Reznik is elderly and not in good health. If this trial happens in a year, even six months, there's a question of will we be able to testify? Will they be able to call him to the stand? So he does not want a retrial, especially when you hear what we understand that the majority of the jurors were on his side. So he's going to do every single thing he can to get this jury to continue to deliberate, to get that one juror removed and get an alternate in there. Even if you have to start over, which they would have to do if this juror is replaced. The judge it sounds like he's exhausted all efforts and he's not going to do that unless it would be quite a miracle or quite a reversal if the order comes back that, sorry, Judge, may can keep deliberating. You recall, this is seven days. Seven days of deliberation, they've already sent two notes saying we can't reach it.

24:39We can't get there. Well, a third note now this morning, I just don't see the judge sending them back yet again to do this. Yeah, and one of the moments that I thought, before all this mistrial information or the decision by the judge, which again, we're still waiting because of that appeal or that one hour asking for a stay. But before that, I thought the biggest news was kind of the back and forth between Reddington and the judge where Reddington is accusing the judge of being too soft and not explaining or not kind of yelling at the jurors enough with these instructions or kind of beating them over the head with it. But talk to me about that in a courtroom. I mean, is that really the judge's position or the judge's responsibility to kind of shame these jurors that they're not following the instructions or did you think the judge handled it properly? I think the judge. The judge's job is to protect that jury. And there's a relationship between the jury and the judge that is one of respect. Jurors look up to the judge. And the one that's the one person that talks to them every day gives them instruction,

25:43communicates with them. And so he did read the instruction yesterday. Very measured tone, very not one-sided, didn't wasn't animated. And Reddington comes in today and it's like, you weren't forceful enough. You were too soft. And the judge was irritated. The judge responded, what do you want me to do, bringing a brass band? I'm not an actor. I read it the way that I'm going to read it. Maybe it wasn't the way you would have read it. But no, I'm not going to do it. And you know, Reddington, he is verbose in the courtroom. He definitely commands attention. And that's why I think a lot of people love him. He's interesting to watch. He says what he thinks. But Mini, can I just cut in here? Because I have a question on that. Do you think, and from someone who's watched this from the beginning, I know a lot of everyone's watching it right now, but not a lot of people were focusing so much on it in the beginning? Do you think Reddington is feeding off of some of the support he's getting outside the courthouse? And maybe that's kind of leading him to be a little bit more of a showman and a little

26:43bit more in this judge's face than he would have been otherwise? You could argue that. The interest in this case has exploded. And because of that, the first few days, Reddington would walk into court. Maybe one or two reporters might follow him. There were days he'd leave, and no one would follow him. And then it gradually grew and grew to the point that it's like a mosh pit. And yesterday, if you saw the image, I mean, it was insane. He could easily go out another door. He could easily ask for security. He could easily not say anything and be watched to his car. He chooses to engage, which honestly is reporters. We like that. We want something. Because he's the one giving us information. He has fans showing up, though. You know, calling him Big Red. He's getting selfies with these people that bring him gifts. And so I think he's enjoying it. But he might be one of those guys, too. That's how it is. Where is the prosecution? They're far more.

27:44You don't see them. No one follows them. Normally, prosecutors don't talk in the middle of the case. The question now is, Grace, you know, so let's say there's a mistrial here. We'll hear it in the next few minutes most likely. What does the prosecution do? Do they decide to file the same charges? Do they change their case up? Do they offer a plea? Maybe instead of first degree murder, a second degree murder, and she does 15 years fix or something. I don't know. But to redo this trial, it's emotionally exhausting. It's financially expensive. To try to find another jury. I don't know. But they did Karen Reed. You're familiar with that. Who knows? Yeah. And one thing I keep thinking of is to put jurors or to put 12 more. And it's never 12. Oftentimes with alternates, but to put all those people in the future through looking at that evidence and hearing that phone call and a lot of trauma and a lot of, you know, emotional baggage you're going to carry with you for the rest of your life. That's a lot to put another 12 people through if you could come to a decision here.

28:45I do want to say, or I do want to ask you about the decision not to sequester this jury. This has come under some scrutiny. Now that we are here and it seems like the biggest hold up was the jury being able to agree on this. Is there any chance that outside noise did impact these jurors? And do you get instruction if you're not sequestered? Because like I understand that as a juror, you are asked and you are instructed and you are, you know, made to swear that you're not going to go home and binge like a documentary or go on Twitter and search Lindsey Clancy. But there is an element in today's world of things just kind of coming into your life or, you know, you get bombarded with information that you didn't necessarily seek out. What are the rules on that? Is there was a mistake in other words to not sequester the jury? I was a little surprised they didn't sequester. Some states are going away from that. Some states are adamant on it. Other trials I've covered, they are sequestered. They're taken to a hotel for deliberations. Now, a whole trial can be, that can be a lot, but at least for deliberations, they

29:50can to a hotel. The remote controls were removed out of the room so you couldn't turn on a TV. The phones were removed out of the room. You're given one or two books that you bring that are pre-approved by the court. And there's a guard. There's a deputy guarding the hallway so that you can't do that. We out of habit is humans pick up our phones and go to our favorite social media apps and scroll. And I don't know about you, maybe because I'm so deep into this case, every post seems to be about this case. If you're in Massachusetts and you're a juror and you went home last weekend and you have two days off and you go to relax and you pull out your phone. And you're scrolling and suddenly something pops up about this case. How do you avoid that? I mean, do you click into read? I go, I'm a little curious, no big deal. Or do you swear off your social media for now six weeks? So yeah, that's a big question. It'll be fast when these jurors come out if they decide to talk to the media and to speak with the one who was firmly convicted that no, I was the holdout.

30:51And at that point, does it become, I don't want to say a bullying thing. I know in the Scott Peterson case years ago, the jury, jury four person asked to be released because he said he was being bullied by his former jurors. We haven't heard that in this case at all. But how do you go back in the room when you know it's the one versus the 11 and try to continue to compromise? And it sounds like they are to the point they just simply can't. And just to clarify this, because my, I get kind of bent into a pretzel in my brain trying to explain it. This one juror did not believe that there was enough reasonable doubt that she didn't know what she was doing was wrong. Do I have that correct or am I misinterpreting it? Well, we don't, we don't know if it's those specifics. We do know that the juror had an issue with reasonable doubt based on Kevin Reddington's response in the courtroom. And some little hints he dropped this morning. Yes, you could read between the lines and say, that's it. That would be the scenario.

31:53But we didn't, they didn't flat out say this juror has an issue that she was in, they just has, doesn't believe there was reasonable doubt because the instruction was about reasonable doubt. So yeah, you could read it, but you know, we can't say 100% for certain until we talk to this juror. When these notes come back from the jury to the judge, sometimes he reads them. And often he will call a sidebar and discuss it with the parties, which is what he did. He did not read this specific note yesterday and Kevin Reddington stood up and he's the one that told everybody what was in the note. And then we learned a little bit more this morning, like it was a male juror. Well, there's three of them on there on the panel, three men, nine women. So you can kind of maybe guess which one I know my producer who's been in the courtroom thinks she knows which juror it is based on body language. And then you can, you know, assignee from there what the issue was. I imagine today Kevin Reddington will address the media and probably go into more detail about it, maybe the prosecution will too. But you know, the other thing is look at the calendar, Grace, it's a three day weekend.

32:54So to have the jury go home over a holiday weekend, we're going into a new season. It would kind of make sense that it has to end today, but we'll see. Yeah, right now the media is waiting in the hallway. There's no word from court according to Fox News. I'm reading the chiron. One of my last questions for you is that one of the arguments I've heard that says this could be better for the prosecution if they just have to do this trial all over again, is that now they know the defense is case and they can change their case. They can change how they work this, but the defense is case is going to pretty much remain the same. Does that have to be, does that have to be the situation or could Kevin Reddington given round two, change things up or change some of the accusations or some of the way he's framing it? Is it always at the defense kind of stays with what they did the first time, especially if he thinks he got this close to getting what he wanted? Does he do the same case all over again? I think he I think it could benefit both sides. Definitely the prosecution can fine tune their arguments could take a new angle, whatever

33:56Kevin Reddington could to, but he probably doesn't want to switch it up too much. Otherwise he could risk, you know, it going the other way. The one person I will say I was surprised we did not hear from Kevin Reddington as an expert on the drugs, a pharmaceutical person, someone to testify. We heard from psychiatrists for sure and psychologists and experts. We didn't hear from an expert to talk about these specific drugs that she was on and maybe he finds a pharmaceutical expert to add to his line of experts. Maybe the prosecution does that too. Maybe some of the stuff they focused on, they don't need to focus on. I mean it does give them a do over. They know what the defense is going to be. Maybe Lindsey Clancy takes the stand again, but there's going to be a hardship like with Patrick Clancy that 911 call, hearing the gruesome details again that that's going to be difficult, finding the jury could be difficult, but they did it in Karenry Granite. That one I don't think was as high profile as this has become and give it time, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a little bit of discussion of a plea agreement.

34:59Or at least, we'll see. Yeah, Nate, I have to wrap here, but I appreciate your time. Thank you so much for really being a great resource for us throughout this whole trial. And I'm sure we'll talk to you again. It's at Nate News now on X and make sure you follow him and make sure you follow courtroom inside and East Idaho news. Before I went to perfect smiles, I didn't realize how much my team J was affecting my daily life. But after getting my invisalign, it killed two birds with one stone because I have a beautiful smile. I think about do say so myself straight teeth and my jaw no longer feels tense. I don't get headaches. So it really it helped me cosmetically, but it also helped the overall health of my smile and my mouth and my jaw. So Dr. Tam at perfect smiles specializes in TMJ and he's got new patients coming in from everywhere from Vermont, from Maine, from obviously New Hampshire, but also Massachusetts. He's a professional. He's caring. He's the best in his field and he has the best team around him. If you're dealing with job pain headaches, clicking the clicking the dreaded clicking or tension, you can't seem to get rid of. Don't wait. Improve your quality of life. TMJ is something you want to address early.

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37:02Yes. You did it yesterday. You did it soft. You didn't do it forcefully and I'm asking maybe what it was. What do you want me to do? I want you to get a brass band. I didn't think and I don't need. Maybe it is very down the middle. So he's not going to say it. But I did. I do think Kevin Reddington getting a little higher in your own supply there. You know, isn't it kind of standard? You got to treat the judge with some respect. The judge. I've been critical of plenty of judges before. I don't think he's doing a bad job with this case. I think it's a long time. It's very mild mannered. It's trying his best. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, that's not a criticism. That's just his personality. No, no, no, right. I agree with you. Reddington is getting a little, do you know who I am? Kind of. Yeah. A little too cute by half, I would say. Like, all right, buddy, we get, we get that. And what you can do, the lack of decorum, thank you, Your Honor, or yes, Your Honor.

38:03None of that. It's been very off-putting. And you know what? You can't let the outside support you're getting and the crazies, the fandom start affecting how you, the court of public opinion shouldn't affect how you're acting in the actual court. And that's what I think is it's bleeding into his attitude in court. By the way, when I think brass band, you know what I think of? When Mary Holds your hand, you feel so grand. Your heart starts beating like a big brass band. Harry Toppins. Yeah, man. When we write back, we've got Mike Crawford from the Young Jerks. I hope right down the clansy's are with us. Don't go anywhere. What do you want me to do? Get a brass band?