Boys will be boys – politics at play!

0:00In this political calcium, we slay the rising beast with a fateful sword of truth that transcends hypocrisy and censorship. It's time to unleash yourself from the tyrants of media propaganda on the America Out Loud Talk radio network. This is Unleashed the Political News Hour. You're listening to Unleashed the Political News Hour. I'm your host, Mayor Deb. Today's guest is someone who I've had the pleasure of knowing for a while now. Former CIA senior intelligence officer, Jeffrey Sanau. Before I bring Jeff in, I just want to talk a little bit about his background because I think it's important as we move forward in this discussion today for all of you to get a glimpse as to what type of background Jeff comes from.

1:13Jeff is a globally recognized expert in intelligence, risk management, and strategic leadership. He has over 35 years of experience spanning international operations, security, and creative education. His career has really bridged continents and sectors. He's definitely somebody who I would call a seasoned traveler, and he has been following CIA service. He started out in the Peace Corps, and since then going to the CIA, he has transitioned into defense contracting, leadership consulting, and corporate training. His leadership as the general manager of Uganda's third largest security firm further underscores his ability to lead people, lead people well, and lead with complex multinational operations background.

2:21In addition to that, Jeff is also the author of several books. So Jeffrey, thank you so much for joining me today here on America out loud. It's my very great pleasure. Thank you for the honor of having me. So what I thought we would do, I want to get in today, and later in the show, we're going to be talking about something that maybe you will be better able to explain to the listeners about the importance of what is taking place right now in the Middle East, specifically Syria. And I also want you to touch on the importance of Damascus, not just from a geopolitical standpoint, but also from a Christian world view as well. So but before we get there, I thought it would be fun because you have had such a background in one of the most famous three letter agencies in the world, the Central Intelligence Agency, the CIA.

3:28And I thought it would be fun to just kind of start here with US politics for the first segment of this show, almost like a speed dating. So I'm going to throw a topic out to you, and then within a minute, I'd like for you to just give me a quick bird's eye opinion of that topic. What do you say? Are you ready? You're the boss. Let's go. All right, first question. The Minneapolis, Minnesota ice is there as we all know, and the protesters are pushing back. What would be the best thing for President Trump to do to address that situation? It's a messy situation. You've got people up there from all parts of the world making it messier, people from all over the US and all the different political spectrums making it messier. And the president is going to have to make a decision to clean up the mess, no matter what he does.

4:32And he has my sympathy because there is no right decision. It's going to be messy, no matter what he does. If he lets things as they are, half the population will get upset. If he goes in and tries to remove people and fix things, the other half of the population is going to be upset. So he is truly stuck between a rock and a hard spot. And I suspect, or I guess he's going to pick going in and cleaning out Minnesota as his solution to solving the problems and having federal law enforcement take a very close look at all of the activities that are ongoing up there. And in doing that, hopefully we can get some kind of resolution. Of course, I believe everybody has the freedom of speech, but you don't have the freedom to assault federal officials law enforcement. And now the one guy that got killed a couple of days before he was seen basically damaging a vehicle that had multiple federal agents in it.

5:32So if you're going to poke the bear, the bear is going to wake up. And that's kind of what's happened up there now. So hopefully springtime will get here. It will warm up a little bit. And people can have calmer minds and come up with good solutions that are good, not just for Minnesota, but for all of America. All right, open borders, you know, Joe Biden's administration. We obviously saw that the borders were wide open. And that has really what's led us to what's happening in Minneapolis right now. So it was there a better way. I mean, you know, I don't know, I've never been to the border. Was there a better way to handle this illegal, you know, immigrants coming into the U.S.? Every country in the world has laws concerning immigration. And illegal immigration is a violation of those laws.

6:35And every country I've ever visited or ever lived in. And I think I've lived in seven or eight and visited 30 or 35. I have to have my passport. And there's nothing. I'm subject to the laws of that country and to their immigration laws that if you want to get kicked out of a country quick, just go in here and say, well, no, I'm an American. Here's my passport. So until your laws don't apply to me and you will find yourself in a bad situation very quickly. So we have every right and every responsibility to enforce our immigration laws. And that means that it is not walk across the border in or the country. That's not how we do it. That's not how any country in the world does it. And so for people, it's complained when we quote, quote, close the borders is just kind of silly. What that means is we're putting people through our regular immigration methodology and practices for when they want to come into this country.

7:35When I come into the country, if I've been overseas, I still have to have my passport. I still have to go to passport control and they're going to check. They're going to put in whatever they're going to put in. They're going to ask me some questions to see if they can trip me up. Where's your home address? And if I can't, if I have to think about it, then they're going to ask me more questions. So that's all the assessment process that is done to every person that comes into this country legally. Why can't we do that to everybody? And if they can't enter and we send them back home. All right, and I just want to clarify, you know, and I know you agree with me on this point. You and I were not saying that these people are, we're not terming them illegals from a humanity aspect. We're simply terming them as illegals from the fact that they came into this country illegally. They didn't go through the process. So that was just one thing I really, you know, want to make sure listeners understand. All right, next question. Leadership style of Trump, you are somebody who goes out, you speak in front of large crowds, you talk about the importance of leadership.

8:42Let's wrap this first segment up with Trump's leadership style. Good and bad. What can, what, what does he do? Do great. What could he use some improvement on? Well, I think that's two sides of the same point. What he does well is he engages with people directly. He speaks to the media. Is it every day? I think he does or almost every day. And that's the great thing about his presidency is it's very visible. He's very visible. Now what's wrong with that is he's very visible and everything he does is very visible. So he opens himself up to a lot of criticism. That's why I said it's two sides of the same coin. What he does well is he gets out in front of people. There is no hiding Trump. He's out there in front of people. Again, almost every day if I'm not mistaken, he's talking to people, whether it's a formal press conference or something else. I mean, I saw a story where he's walking through McDonald's this past week and some guy said, hey, can we say a prayer together?

9:49He stopped and said a prayer with the guy in McDonald's. So he's very approachable. He's very reachable and the downside of that is he's very approachable and he's very reachable. So people can get to him. Sometimes they get under his skin and sometimes he reacts in a way that we all might react if people were getting under our skin. And so that's the downside. Like I said, two sides is the same coin. I'm obviously just I'm sure you can tell I like Donald Trump, it's who I voted for a lot. I admit that and I just hope that he can continue to do things which are generally to the benefit of all Americans. I do really think that that is what he has in mind. All right, so the World Health Organization, I know that is something I believe we have pulled out of the United States has pulled out of good, good or bad.

10:51There are multiple United Nations institutions that were established with the best of intentions and those intentions have been misdirected for people's political gain. So what Donald Trump is saying is this is no longer in the best interest of America to be part of this organization. I don't know his reasons behind it. I haven't followed that closely, but that's what he's saying. And as I said, he is doing his best, I believe, to always put the needs and requirements of the American people first. He does that better than any president in my recent memory. He's very good at that. And so that's why he's doing those things. Yeah, and I love what you said, putting the needs of Americans first, these organizations that were instituted 50, 70 years ago, the United States took part in them and has been part of them since. And it's just kind of something that I've heard and you've probably heard it in leadership, when you've gone in to make a change somewhere, people will say, well, we've always done it that way.

12:01I hear you're laughing because you hear it all the time. And so when people who are change makers come into an organization and say, hey, let's look at doing this a different way. There's always a lot of pushback. And I think that that's what we're seeing with institutions like the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum, and the United Nations. So on that point, let's jump into a break. We're coming right back. And I'm going to pick up this conversation where we left off because I think there's a few more things I need to discuss with you. All right, stay tuned. Thank you. This is Dr. Peter McCullough. You know me from America Love Pulse and the McCullough Report, while I'm inviting you to join me in Nashville, July 2nd, 3rd and 4th, for a truly historic experience in 2026. America Love News, 250 slash 10, Nashville. I'm calling all pages to be a part of this unforgettable weekend, packed with inspired entertainment, incredible fireworks, and nationally recognized speakers who proudly stand for freedom.

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15:13Going to jump right back in, Jeff free, where we left off before the break. You know, I was talking about how I've seen in organizations when people who are change makers come in and they suggest different ways of looking at issues or problems. I think that's what President Trump is doing, and I think that's what we're seeing with a lot of the pushback with who, the WEF, the UN. And so I want to get your perspective on this because you are what I would call a change maker. You used to work with the CIA. You then have transition now into your own business. You're also an author. Tell us, you know, when people have said to you in the past, well, we've always done it that way. What does that look like for you? So when I first started working at the agency, I had a group of people working for me, and we were monitoring the movement of weapons of mass destruction and affiliated materials.

16:27And it only took twice for me to kick people out of my office. They said we've always done it that way. We've never done it that way. They were very unsurmoniously and some would say rudely told told to get out of my office and come back when you know how to think. Because change is what makes us to say we've always done it that way is say we don't want to change that there's no better way. So how long do you think espionage has been around? When did Joshua send the spies into Jericho? Was that four, five, six thousand years ago? I don't remember exactly a long time. So that particular trade has been around a long time. And so we can only continue to be successful. If we make changes and we make improvements and we look at how we're doing things and we say can we do it different, can we do it better?

17:32Not doing it different is going to make it better every time, but it is going to make it better some of the time. And so you have to at least be willing to accept change. And so I agree with you that Donald Trump is going on in and saying, okay, we're going to do things differently. We're going to try a different approach. I pray that they work. They don't all work. I know that. But last of times they do work and frequently they work in ways that we just don't expect or understand because we don't see all the ripple effects of the changes that we're making. And when we do sometimes are very pleasantly surprised by those effects sometimes we're not so pleasantly surprised. That's the risk we take. But it's important to change and accept change. Yes. And I agree that Donald Trump is coming in and putting forth the courage I'm going to call it to look at something and say, you know, we can do this better. And sometimes it's going to succeed, succeed. Sometimes it's it's not. But you know, it's a far cry greater than the auto pen.

18:41Oh, absolutely, absolutely. He's he takes everything personally. I think if I understand correctly, the man works hours that I couldn't keep up with. So he does put into time. He does listen to people. He doesn't always agree with them. And sometimes he very publicly disagrees with them. As I said, it's such a change from the previous administration where we never saw him unless he was tripping going up the stairs. So he does try to engage people except he's not perfect. Doesn't have all the answers, but he has answers and he's going to do the best he can. And I truly believe he's doing what he believes is best based on his background and experience for the American people. And I can assure you that my very own wife disagrees with me, be it mainly on that. She lived in New York for a while and he was up there. And so she has a very different perspective of Donald Trump and obviously lots of people do.

19:42But I like what I see him doing. I can say I think he's trying to do what's best for the American people. And as long as he continues to do that, I will continue to support him. And I think most people will. Yeah, the one thing that stands out to me about President Trump is that unlike in my lifetime, every president that I've witnessed speaking, there were always speaking from a teleprompter or notes in front of them, you know, on the podium. And the one thing that Trump does is he is just this, I'll call it plain speak, right, for maybe there's a better word for it. But he gets up there and, you know, I was watching him the other day and they were, I believe it was in the Oval Office and somebody asked him, you know, why he was there. And he said, well, I'm just here for the for the coffee or something to that effect. And I chuckled because I in my lifetime, you know, my 50 plus years here on this earth, I've never witnessed a president who speaks like that.

20:46It was just always very scripted. And that's why I think he won two terms. I think people were tired of the, you know, the fancy suits, the teleprompters, the speeches written by Harvard graduates. And they wanted somebody that they feel they could relate to that really was talking their talk. And I know you understand that when I say that, talking their language. And he certainly is. And sometimes he says things that he probably shouldn't have said. But then other times when he says things, I think how endearing that those words came out of the president of the United States. I think that the last president that spoke that way was Ronald Reagan. Okay, interesting. He was also very plain spoken. Yeah, didn't necessarily use teleprompters. Sometimes he spoke out of turn. But he didn't really care. He was, he was the president and he did also again.

21:47Do what he believed was in the best interest of the American people. And sometimes those off the cuff comments got him in trouble. Okay, that's the risk that you take. I would much rather have someone a president getting trouble for off the cuff comments that he probably shouldn't make than to have them always boxed in. And that was the thing about Biden is that he was always in this little shell. I'll take a president that. Fumbles once in a while. They're playing the game. And in reality, they're more like any of us, a president, the fumbles once in a while, because who of us don't? I mean, we've all mispoken. We've all have things in our in our past that we regret. We wish we would have done a different way. And but that's what makes us human, right? Until there's until there's a, you know, an AI president. I, you know, everybody has a past. Yep. And most of us are running from it. Good point.

22:47All right. Well, I'm going to segue now into Syria and Damascus. You and I are both Christians. We both are familiar with our Bibles. And we both know that within the Bible, there is prophetic language that talks about Syria and Damascus. And so I want to just jump off there and let's see where this conversation goes because you've been there. You have been there several times. You have recently written a book about Damascus. So I want you to just explain to listeners why we should care. If we don't live there and many of us listening don't, we often think that's some far off country in the Middle East. It doesn't affect my day to day life. It doesn't affect me going to Starbucks or the grocery store. Why should I care about it? Explain to us why Jeff.

23:52So Damascus is the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world. There's a little point of reference there. And we are a Christian nation. If you go back, we were founded as a Christian nation and we still are today. Damascus is the second most important city in Christianity. First is Jerusalem. Then there's Damascus. And so for us, for Americans to simply act as if Damascus doesn't exist as a mistake. Because it is so important to our cultural history. I've been there more than a few times. And one of my favorite Bible stories is Acts 9, I believe, where it talks about Saul's conversion to Paul on the road to Damascus. And one of the neat things about Damascus that I've been able to do is if you read the Bible story,

24:52Avanias has a vision. Bishop Avanias has a vision where he is told to go to the street called straight to see the man from Tarsus. The street called straight still exists. It's in Damascus. You go through the gate of the walled city. You go through there and you're on the street that runs straight through the city. And it's the street called straight as named by the Romans. So to be able to walk down a street that's referred to in the Bible, for me being raised a Christian, that's significant. And we have a shared culture and history of being Christian. And so it's so important that we understand the role that Damascus played. When Saul had his conversion, he was lowered over the wall of Damascus to escape the Jews that were trying to kill him. And today they have a chapel there at the spot where they believe he was lowered over the wall.

25:56So again, you're reflecting on things that are written about in the Bible. And that's one thing that Damascus can bring to you or brings to me is all those important memories of what we read about in the Bible. And to walk down a street that's written about the Bible, that brings the Bible alive. Because the street exists that adds truth and fact to the stories that are in the Bible. And for media, that was all very important. Just off the street called straight into Damascus, about 700 or 800 feet down a side street. You come to St. Paul's underground church. And you can go in there. And I think it was the Jesuits. I think we're the one caretakers for that. And it doesn't cost any money. You just go in and make a donation if you want. And you just go in, you go down a circular stairs and you're in this beautiful small, because it is underground church that you can sit and pray.

27:01They still do services there. And it's just an amazing place. Every time I went to Damascus, I went to St. Paul's chapel and I lit a candle. Now keep in mind, I'm raised a Lutheran. Lutherans don't like candles. You have to do it. So I kind of just guessed along, going, okay, God, I hope this works. Please make sure I get home safe. And obviously it works. So that's that part of our history that we deny when we don't recognize how important Syria is, how important to Damascus is. And I'm not going to disagree with anybody that says, well, right now, it's just a complete mess. And I agree with that. For many years, we had the dictatorships of the Assad family. Hafez al Assad was the father, Bashar Assad was the son. And he was removed from power somewhat violently about a year ago. And they've been struggling, they were struggling with the civil war since I think 2011.

28:05So the people of Syria have been fighting this war. And they seem to be close to achieving some form of peace for Damascus. And that's very, very important for us. There are places, as I said, not just in Damascus, but in Syria that again are so important to our culture and our history. You have the best maintained crusader fort in the world. It's called the Krakta Shavya. And then that's located about an hour outside of Damascus. And it's an amazing fort. Well, you can agree with the crusaders or disagree with the crusaders. That's not the point. It is historically very, very significant. You have our lady of Sanaya monastery. That monastery is over 1400 years old. It was built by Emperor Justinian I. And, you know, I love America. Obviously, they're pro-American. But here we come up to our 250th birthday and we're having this big party.

29:07We're the little infant on the block. And when you consider some of the other places in a city like Sanaya where you have the monastery. And then I went up into that monastery. You can go into it and you go down into the basement. And in the basement, you can write a prayer wish on a small piece of paper and you stick it in the wall. And they will also. This story about Sanaya is they were carrying a bat of oil up the stairs into take it into the monastery. And some spilled on a step. And you know how sandstone steps get these weird depressions. In one of those depressions, they had a vision of the holy mother. Since then, that bat of oil has been sacred. So, what you do is you go in, you go down and they will dip a piece of cotton into the same bat of oil. And put a little Ziploc bag for you to take home so you can take home some of this blessed oil.

30:07Now, I think it's probably kind of dilute from all the years it's been going on. But that's not really the point. The point is the symbolism, right, taking something that reflected the holy mother many, many years ago hundreds of years ago. So you have that kind of Christian culture and influence in Damascus specifically in Syria writ large. And so it's so important to us as Americans that we appreciate that. And we try and help them come to some understanding as they're hopefully coming out of this terrible civil war that's been going on. Lately, recently, they seem to be trying to come to peace. The U.S. policy has changed there a little bit where we are tending now more to support the government that's in power. I think the guys names all all shut up. We are trying to support him. We're trying to get the Kurds to stop fighting with him.

31:08I think they just announced literally yesterday that all Kurds can now have Syrian nationality and Syrian citizenship. They've been denied that before. And the Kurds are kind of a problematic population with Turkey and Iraq and Iran and Syria and everybody around there. So they have made the concession to give them a citizenship in Syria. And so the Syrian government is trying to move towards peace. The U.S. is supporting the Syrian government as opposed to I think they were called the SDF, the Syrian defense forces that they're pushing back against. So we are no longer being as supportive of them because we also see the need for peace. And it will only come when the fighting stops and people have to accept that. Do you really think that after thousands of years of sparring, warring, fighting going on in the Middle East that peace is even possible?

32:18I know we talk about it. We would all love to see it. Everybody would love to see world peace. But is it even something that is obtainable? Well, is it obtainable? Yes. Now, how do you get there? How is it obtainable? Is it the harder question? And in every conflict, they're almost every conflict. You have a winner and a loser and nobody wants to be a loser. And I think what Donald Trump has been doing quite recently is he is pushing the parties to settle. And he's pulling back some of his support, I believe, for the courage, which I think was the Syrian defense forces. He's pulling back on that support and is telling them to make peace with the government in power in Syria.

33:19You got to play nicely with these people. And so I think at the senior political level, I think it is possible. I think everybody is actually trying to do that. As I said, the Kurds have agreed to some of the terms where we will have problems as you correctly stated. You have a gun fight that develops in this neighborhood or in that city or in that town. And everybody gets upset again. And so we need to minimize that possibility as much as possible. I am not advocating for US troops to go in and be peacekeepers in Syria, although we do have a military base there. And much to my surprise, I think it was about, well, it was in December, I think, when two US soldiers and a translator were killed on a joint patrol with Syrian military forces. And it's a tragedy that any loss of tragedy, especially US soldiers.

34:20But by participating at the grunt level, if I can use that term at the very soldier level, the guys are out walking. We will make friends, we will be able to establish our reputation as honest military volunteers, people that are working truly for everybody to have peace. Okay, so you think it will be possible. It's going to be somewhat messy getting there. Let's take a break. And when we get back, we'll pick up where we left off. And I don't know, maybe we'll jump back into our speed dating also, because I think that that was really great hearing from you on all of those topics. So stay tuned. I'm Mike Evans, author of The Sprout Book. And I've devoted my life to helping people reconnect with food at its most alive stage, The Sprout. When you germinate a seed, you're not just growing food, you're activating potential.

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37:27Jeffrey, I want to jump in before I forget. I want you to give listeners the name of your new book about Damascus. The name of that book is Damascus City of Shadows. Okay. And one of the points that I want to discuss now is in chapter 12 of that book. You wrote a very what I thought important quote that I want to share. And I think that it's not only relevant to Syria and Damascus, but I think also throughout the world, when we look at what's happening with politics, you are discussing in this chapter of Bashir, who is the son of Assad and how Bashir is now going to assume power. And you say that this is on his father's paradox, and you're talking about the way that he will rule,

38:30that the stability through fear, strength through silence, and endurance through repression. And I think that those are such a powerful synopsis of what we're seeing going on over in the Middle East. But I also think we see a bit of that elsewhere throughout the world. So just looking at that quote, is that something that you see with perhaps the previous presidential administrations even here in the US being flexed? Yeah, I think all politicians flex that at some point in order to get their policies across, especially if they're not successful politicians, let me put it that way, because they have to make their benefactors happy. And let's keep in mind that all US politicians and probably all the politicians, but certainly in the US, have benefactors,

39:34people who donate to their campaign. Trump is kind of an exception because he was a billionaire when he started, but almost all of the others are not. They have benefactors, people who donate to their campaigns. And so the politician unfortunately has to keep their benefactors in mind when they're making those decisions. And that's where sometimes we can get into trouble because that may or may not be in the best interest of everybody. Yes, and I want to say that I think that that's just the greatest problem with politics is these behind the scenes benefactors who have their own agendas, perhaps based on what their business is, perhaps where their investments are. And so they're then donating to the politician and their interests then become the interests of the politicians. So it's this, you know, trickle down effect, I'll call it where those decisions aren't always for the best interest of the American citizens or whatever country you live in and are a citizen of.

40:44But I do want to say that I think that because Trump didn't make his fortune by climbing the political ladder, I think he is a bit of a different beast with that. I agree entirely he doesn't depend on other people for his wealth or his success or a happy retirement. He has what every maybe I'm a god on limb here, what every American boy would like. He has all the money he could spend. He has a beautiful wife who just made her own movie. But no one could deny that statement. She is a very beautiful woman, a very interesting woman. And so I think for a teenager to aspire to be like Trump would not be the worst thing in the world now. Like that statement's probably going to annoy lots of people. But I would rather they aspire to be like Trump than then perhaps like Jimmy Carter who I will give credit was one of the best ex presidents in history of this country as opposed to when he was actually president.

41:57And again, most people agree with that statement. So we have a strong president and he does know how to play the game. He doesn't depend on other people for his wealth. I mean, when you've got that much money, you know, he's already got his own airplane. What else could he possibly want? So I think that puts us in a very unique position. Yeah, and I will say I love how you are just so plainly spoken as well, you know, you just throw it out there that he does have everything that, you know, I think the average, you know, young person might aspire to have. And I will say Melania is absolutely gorgeous. You know, I just had every time I see her, I just think to myself that is just one beautiful woman. And you know, even just just her exterior obviously is beautiful. But I think and she is she's very quiet. You don't see her out a lot on the circuit, you know, giving interviews.

43:01When she does speak, she has this warmth and genuineness about her that I think even adds to her beauty for for me is, you know, when I see that as a woman, I that adds it to me. Maybe for men, it doesn't, but for a woman, it's, you know, it certainly adds that perhaps men are thinking different thoughts. You know what? I think they are. I think they're men are, let's just face it Jeff. I mean men are really focused on external beauty. And it's, it's kind of this nature. I want to say, you know, just if you look at even animals, the way things are, are made in our world, I just think that, you know, men are very much external focus. And I think women tend to be more connection driven internally. And that's why I mentioned her spirit as being attractive as well. Yep. I think everybody, I think generally speaking, because of how she's maintained herself over the last eight years, 10 years, I've worked many.

44:07I think most people, maybe they don't like her for whatever reason, but they don't disrespect her. I think she's pretty well respected by almost everybody, because of the way she carries herself, because of her profile or public persona. And, you know, we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. Maybe she'd be rates down on one side and down the other. We don't know and we'll never know. But certainly in public, she does present as a very glamorous woman. Yeah, definitely. Well, I think the whole first family, it's just when I, you know, I remember seeing that, you know, during the campaign times, having them all on stage. And I, I just think to myself, that is one good looking family. You know, a lot of times many of us have families, and I know we can all really wear, you know, you have one or maybe a few people in the family who are really good looking.

45:07But that family, genetically, I don't know what is going on, but, you know, you look at that and you think, wow, they have set the bar really high here. Yes, they did on many, many respects. So, all right. So let's go back into something that you talked about earlier. You mentioned the importance of cultural history. So I want to focus on that for a minute, because I do think, you know, as a Christian and the fact that our country, the United States of America, was founded on a Judeo Christian values. And our constitution is written as such. So when I look over at the Middle East, where many of our Judeo Christian values here in the US today were founded and they originated, as you mentioned, we're just, we are turning 250 years old this year, which is just a kittens compared to the rich history of thousands and thousands of years over in the east.

46:13And this cultural history, though, that we have here, I feel as though I've seen previous administrations really wanting to tear that down, both figuratively and literally literally in the sense of tearing down statues that were emblematic of, you know, showing what our history was. And I just want to ask you this, what happens when we try to erase the history that got us to where we are today, when we stop teaching it, we stop valuing the importance of it, will we be making change for the good, or are we making a major mistake? As with any structure, when you do not care for the foundation, or even worse, you remove the foundation, that structure becomes unbalanced and may collapse of its own right.

47:18So we have to be very cautious, as we look at our history, and we're not perfect, we've had movement made mistakes, I mean, nobody I know of think slavery was a good idea, no, no, no, or any of the other issues that led to the civil rights movements, you know, I consider and tell you, and I think you've seen my wife, she's as I said, just like my coffee, hot black and bitter. And, you know, it's the kind of world I live, it's just because I was raised that way. So I think most of us were, I think many people realize that we have to have a strong foundation. And if we choose to go back and start chopping up the foundation, which is the constitution or the bill of rights, the net is going to impact how well we stand. So we have to use a great deal of care, if we want to go back and try and quote, undo things, I don't think we want to undo things as much as we want to repair things going forward.

48:18The civil rights movement is a good example of that, where through mostly peaceful actions, they were able to get laws passed that aren't forced today. And I think most of us support today, where we are all equal in the eyes of the law in this country, regardless of our background, our ethnicity, whatever. And I think that that's something that is kind of unique in the world. Many countries don't have that. They still have a very tribalistic perspective. And, you know, if you're from my tribe, you're okay, but if you're from the tribe across the river, then you're a terrible human being. But we don't do that. We let the constitution protect everybody. And sometimes that's hard to accept. Sometimes it's hard to accept that, let's pick a tough order. But proud boys, maybe they have the same constitutional protected rights as my church has. And that has to be applied uniformly and equally, or it's of no value.

49:23And so that's why we have to be careful as we're looking for ways to improve our country culture. And there are always ways to improve. We have to be careful of what we might be undoing. And we have to not saying we shouldn't undo some things. But we have to be careful in the ripple effect. The ripple effects is what catches us. Okay, so on that note, do you think this DEI initiative diversity, equity, inclusivity, do you think that that is potentially leading us to unravel the civil rights movement and the steps forward that we took with that because sometimes with DEI the way. I'm not saying the way everybody implements it, but I've certainly seen, you know, instances where it's a reverse discrimination. So we're not, we're no longer measuring everyone equally, but we're actually looking at someone by the color of their skin, whether they're white or black.

50:35And we're taking those with the white skin and we're putting them down to somehow, you know, level a playing field. So what are your thoughts on that? I think when it comes to leveling the playing field, you have to be very careful of the harm that you may do to others who are already on the playing field. I think that, well, conceptually, DEI is a good concept, and I think it's something that should be encouraged, should be taught, should be respected, but you have to be really careful when you put it into law. Because once it becomes law, then it becomes more subject to abuse and interpretation. And I'm sure you've read enough law books to know that, you know, they just go on for page after page after page of each clause because they try and cover everybody when an actual fact they never can they try sometimes they get close sometimes, but they can't cover everybody.

51:41So I think that DEI is certainly something that should be taught, just as the civil rights movement should be taught. The leaders of the civil rights movement, we're great men, certainly President Johnson had his hands full and he didn't run for a second term for a reason. So we have to be careful once we enact the law, you can't get around it and it is so hard to undo a law. So that's why we have to be so careful should DEI be taught as part of our culture and our climate and good business management, absolutely. I think any any business man any business leader any manager or HR person that doesn't consider that at least as a consideration is kind of missing the boat because that's that's be honest sometimes there are people that you may not want to hire, but in fact when you hired them, you realize it was the best decision.

52:48And you were all blinded by our biases we all have biases I do I know everybody does it's just the nature of how we are. That doesn't mean we can't overcome those biases work around those biases so that we can get the best out of ourself and other people and that's what we have to do and that's why yes DEI is important. But I don't believe you should put it into law because once it becomes law it can't be changed or modified that's the problem right and I agree with that I think conceptually DEI is an excellent idea. I think that the problem though with anything you know it comes into law I think that is an issue, but I also think that it's a tight rope of walking where we're not dividing each other even further than we're divided. So right now I think we're the most divided I've ever seen in my lifetime Democrats Republicans right left red blue black white and I think that you know the DEI initiative if not done appropriately can lead to this this race war this this baiting of us pitting one another against based upon our skin color whether we're white or we're dark skinned or medium skinned or.

54:14You know we're from this country or that country and and that is something I don't think is ever going to be healthy and good for us. No we always have to be careful how we make decisions and we get it when we get away from making them on logical grounds then we get into trouble when when those biases start creeping in and like I said we all have biases I do I expect you do yeah it's important we have someone can whisper our ear and say no no you don't want to do that here's why. Yeah absolutely we all have biases and there's just that is part of human nature it goes back to the whole Melania the the male female you know observations of that's just how we're wired. I want to just take a few minutes now before we wrap up I want you to tell listeners you have a couple of books I know you've been busy on the circuit talking to audiences.

55:14So tell people where they can reach you what your books are give us a snapshot in the next couple of minutes. I have one books already been published it's called human for humanity that was the first book that I wrote and that basically looks at many of the places in the world that I've been to visit the most Americans can't find on a map. I always use the comparison of Whitney Houston and Lebanon. The reason is for hundreds of years they root was considered the pearl of the Mediterranean and it had North African influence it had Turkish influence it was a French colony so it had French influence it was just a very wonderful place to visit. Much like Whitney Houston when she first came out wow could she sing could she dance was she not smoking hot you may not have considered that but I did. Of course she did. She was fabulous and then much like Beirut starting in 1985 Whitney Houston did not have a good end Beirut and Lebanon has not had a good end.

56:24And that book tries to explain to people here's why that's a problem and so I go into some of the many different countries that have been into yes man. So that's that book and then the second book as I said is about the history of Damascus going back several thousand years but also moving forward to where we are today and frankly every time I read the news. I have to go back in and and and retype my last paragraph for the last page because everything changes. All right and where can folks find you where can they reach out to you on my website is Jeffrey S. So J. E. F. F. R. E. Y. Thank you so much for joining me today here on unleash the political news hour I really just love your insight somebody who has such an incredible interesting background I will say as you so thanks again for joining me today.

57:30It was my pleasure thank you for allowing me to come on. All right and until next time everyone be good to each other and God bless.