Beyond Thinking: The Secret Wisdom of Heart Intelligence

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1:00And now from beyond our dimension, this is the Jeff Mara Vodgas. Here's Jeff. Howard, how long have you been with the HeartMath Institute? And how did you get involved with them in the first place? Well, I'm one of the original people who helped our founder, Doc Chulri Starless thing. I'm here in 36 years. And it goes back a long way, Jeff. I met Doc Chulri when I was a young man about 21 years old. At that time, I was a rock musician. I was a drummer, a pro level player. So I met Doc through the music business. And back then, there was at least in the middle of all the debauchery that we were involved in. There was an interesting spiritual thing, in pursuit of meditation or reading Eastern religion, books, things like that. And Doc was into that kind of stuff. And very early in my friendship with him, I realized this guy was a lot smarter than I am. He's got an awareness that I don't have. And so that friendship continued for a long time.

2:03Now 50 plus years from me with him. And in those early days, we were just young people exploring how we could be better people. And we were interested in things like how we'd expand our consciousness. What does that even mean? What is the bigger picture on things in life? And then down to how we're going to manage some of the normal stressors that people experience. I can be dance with that game better. And so we studied, we read, we practiced all the different things. But not long after we got involved in that, we seemed to be going on our own track. And we recognized that there was something about heart that was always being written about and talked about in all these different practices, but that hadn't been really understood fully yet. And so we began to take a heart-centric approach while using that term of how we were going to grow personally. We found that there was a lot there. That heart was not just a sentiment. It was not just something philosophical or something only to be held on the confines of spirituality.

3:04That it was actually an intelligence that we have within ourselves. That kind of approach in development and on-phomement went on for 15 years. We were living in Eastern North Carolina, which was a place where none of that was going on. We were sort of on an island ourselves within that world. And we didn't have any ambition to start anything or do anything or have an organization or to be authors or speakers. Any of that, it was just, we were people. And I got out of the music business eventually and made that my primary goal, my primary thing. It's about unfolding myself. It's not about the other stuff. That led to eventually realizing we had something to share. And so all the way back now in 1991, we started a heart math institute. Today, this heart math incorporated, which is who I'm with, and then heart math institute our nonprofit wing. And we were putting together a system based upon the power and intelligence of the heart

4:05that could be shared with anybody. And that could be utilized in mainstream applications. That's a pretty big task. We were basically starting a heart based system in an often harmless world. And we didn't have any real business plan at that point. We didn't have any money. We didn't have any of that. What we had was passion. We had mission. We had a desire. We wanted to create something that could help people. And today, global footprint. I want to call it a big little organization, employing like over 100 people. And we operate all around the world. And we've been successful at retelling the story of heart and putting it in a context that is helping people deal with the stresses of modern living, to help to regulate their nervous systems and to find more meaning and purpose than anything that they do. So it's been quite a ride for me, quite an unfit. I'm unfortunate. I have a leadership role here. I was able to co-author a book with Doc all the way back now

5:07and it's amazing. Still in print, 1999, called a Heart Mass Solution. That book did really, really well. And that launched me into a whole other era of my life as an author and a speaker. And it's given me so many opportunities like right now to be with you and have this opportunity to be on your program and to have a conversation with you. I want to look back at all that. I go, well, you know, hand it all this happened to a little Southern boy like me. And I guess I have to say I'd go back to one of those simple statements. We've all heard thousands of times in our life. And it's this. And I learned to listen to and to follow my heart. And as I've continued to do that, that life has awarded me in ways that I'm really, really appreciated by. What is your definition of consciousness? And can you talk a little bit about the connection between that and the heart? Be happy to. It's interesting about consciousness. If you look, there's no definition of, there's no real firm definition of what consciousness is. We believe in it, but yet nobody knows what it is

6:10or where it is. Amherstically, consciousness does not have a zip code. It's just something that we just don't know much about. I'll put it in this context. I believe what consciousness is is an infinite field of information that we are only accessing a minuscule amount of, the five senses that we haven't operate with, the sensory apparatus. Consciousness is an infinite field of information. We draw from it. And everything that there is to be known or ever will be known already exists in that field of consciousness. It's already there. It's already in the field. We access that field as I mentioned, there are five senses, but the primary access point, I believe, to the field of consciousness is actually our heart. That's the link between the two. We access information from the field that feeds back to us. And that's what we turn into what we call our reality. In other words, we feed the field, feel reflects back.

7:11This is what our picture of reality is in any moment and any given time. What's interesting, Jeff, is that's not what we think in our minds is what we truly feel in our hearts. It's where nothing's being fooled. It's not just thought patterns and random thoughts. It's really the deeper essence that we're putting into the field. What it is, we really are. What it is, we really feel. What it is, we're really trying to be. All of that is what's really feeding the field. And that comes from heart. Now, at a scientific level, and this is theory, this is not hard science proven, because we don't know what consciousness is for starters. The heart produces an energetic field. At physiological level, the heart is an electrical organ, producing by far the strongest sources of electricity in the body. 40 to 60 times more electricity being produced by the heart than by the second most powerful source, which is membrane. It produces enough bioelectricity that it creates a magnetic field.

8:12That magnetic field surrounds each and every one of us, me, you, and everyone who's watching us now, in 360 degrees. And it can be measured, extended outside of the body with the most conservative scientific equipment that there is to measure magnetic fields. They're called magnetometers. Using magnetometers, the field can be detected about three feet, one meter outside the body. Now, so we've creating this magnetic field, radiating beyond the skin out in the space, measured conservatively about three feet. Magnetic fields contain information. The greatest analogy for that, the most simple one is their cell phones. Their cell phones produce a magnetic field. We imprint that magnetic field with information could be the phone call, the text, the picture, information's feeding to that magnetic field. It's amplified through the cell towers that goes to someone else's phone, and their cell phone's magnetic field picks up that information.

9:15So the magnetic fields are what's communicating. Magnetic fields contain information. What the hearts field contains is information about what our emotional state is, what we're feeling. We can take the field and do what's called spectral analysis on that field. You're basically taking a snapshot of it, and then you're analyzing the frequencies in that moment time in the hearts field. What we see is that when we're experiencing any emotion like frustration, anger, irritation, judgment, those kind of feelings, we see what's called an incoherent spectra in the field. It's not coherence, not order. A bunch of frequencies in the field fighting each other, is what you see in that spectral analysis. When the emotional state changes, when we begin to experience something like appreciation, care, compassion, love, those kinds of emotions, the field changes. Now we see a coherent spectra in the field. The frequencies are ordered. They're working cooperatively together. So we're feeding that field constantly

10:17with what we are experiencing emotionally. Now, first of all, we're broadcasting each to every single cell in our own bodies, but we're also as I mentioned, broadcasting it out into space. Now, researchers and scientists believe that this is a very conservative measurement, this three-thete thing that is much, much bigger than that. That is much wider. And when researchers begin to ponder this hearts field through the lens of quantum physics, and let me say to you into every listener that I'm not a quantum physicist, but I do know this. I do know within quantum physics that you're playing in a different game. You're removing the normal boundaries of time and of space. So if you begin to ponder a field like that through quantum physics, which breaks up in the barriers of limitations like time and of space, it could be an infinite field. So my belief is that we are accessing the field of consciousness where we have infinite information available through the hearts field.

11:18Then information is coming into our system at the speed, at a super high speed, at a measurable speed. It's hitting us in the heart. The heart's taking an information in. It's then sent to the brain. The heart communicates with the brain. I'll talk about that later if you want. But basically we are assessing it through the heart, communicating it to the brain where we begin to experience it as thoughts, what we see, feelings, et cetera, like that. So consciousness is, again, totally don't understand it, but we believe in it. People that are on personal growth paths, like myself spend a whole lot of time trying to expand it, yet we don't know what it is. We're expanding our access to it is what we're expanding. Do you believe that our awareness is consciousness that's non-local, maybe floating around us? For who knows how large it is? And are you saying that the access point or the integration point from our non-local consciousness to our body is through our heart, not through our brain?

12:22I am saying that. And it's interesting too. You know, in my life, times of great insight, and let's call it a spiritual experience of some kind, it always occurred when I've been in a loving state. When I've been not trying to think my way into something, not trying to force my way into those kind of experiences, but when I've been caring about something or loving or when there's kind of emotional states, that's when those experiences have occurred. And so I think that, you know, that's when we're more in harmony with the field of consciousness with the non-local field. And yes, consciousness is very non-local. We have a consciousness in our brain, but to me that's an interpretation of something large here. So consciousness is a non-local field of information. I can't prove it with a hard scientific experiment of some kind. And by the way, as you know, as you probably know, we're very science oriented at heart math, you know.

13:24Everything we put into the world, all of the tools and techniques and training programs in our technology are all underpinned with rigorous scientific research. Today there's something like 275 peer-reviewed research studies on heart math and tens of thousands of listings of heart math research and other research literature. So when I make a statement like that on a program like yours, I'm saying it's a hypothesis or theory, you know. But it's also born, one that's born from my own personal experience. Low energy, unfocused, foggy, you might be dehydrated. Gatorade zero powders have been scientifically designed to help improve hydration balance in the body with a clinically proven electrolyte blend and no artificial colors or flavors. Great tasting hydration, no matter where you're going, shop now online or at retailers nationwide. Gatorade hydrates better than water. Is it in you? Symptoms noted are signs of mild to moderate dehydration, consult a healthcare professional if symptoms persist.

14:24Yamavar Resort Encasino at Sandman Well is bringing the biggest laughs to the stage. Break taboo is with Ali Wang on August 28th and 29th. Enjoy Ralph Barbosis dry humor on September 18th and 19th. And don't miss Nikki Glazer's unapologetic comedy November 19th. Tickets on sale now at Yamavartheater.com. Only at Yamavar Resort Encasino celebrating its 40th anniversary. You in must be 21 to enter. Theoretically, what part of the heart is the connection point between consciousness and our bodies? Well, I don't know if it's the connection point, but I can tell you this. Our heart contains the nervous system. It's a very complex nervous system. Next to the brain is the most complex part of the nervous system that we have. It's studied through a medical field called neuro cardiology. This nervous system consists of neurons, proteins, support cells.

15:28I use the word neuron just then. Maybe people noticed that neurons are generally considered to be brain in the brain only, but they're also in the heart. We have neurons in the heart. And that nervous system does communicate with the brain in the head. Through a nerve pathway that starts out in our heart and goes up into the brain, enters through the lower brain centers, the instinctive brain. You can use on into the middle level brain where a lot of our emotional processing takes place. And then continues on further all the way up into the neocortex, higher perceptual centers, executive decision making part of our brain. So the heart is sending that information to the brain through this nervous from this nervous system. It turns out that when you look at neurological traffic in our bodies that the heart is actually sending a lot more information to the brain than it's receiving. And that brain function is critically dependent upon the heart's information. So whether or not that nervous system is the actual physiological contact point, the conscious system,

16:29or not, I can't say, but I do know that it's an important part of our physiology that influences how we think and how we feel. Somebody's talked about how information from the field comes in, I guess, through our heart and then information back out into the field goes through our brain. Are you in agreement with that? Or do I have that backwards? I think both, I think, you know, essentially heart and brain work together. We're in integrated systems. So they both play an important role. So we certainly are, we're certainly sending information out into the non-local field through what we think, through what the brain's doing. I think the heart's a more palve source to that. But yeah, the brain plays a role in everything that we do. Heart and brain working together is what I call the ultimate partnership. You know, getting those in sync is where we become the very best versions of ourselves that we can possibly be. I would like to share something though, and if I'm age, if in the context of where our conversation is going about the heart receiving information,

17:30which would relate to the possibility of it accessing the field of consciousness. We did a study, published in the journal of Alternative and Commplementary Medicine, peer-reviewed study, very expensive and very big study. And we were looking at what we thought was precognition. We'd seen another study and we were taking that study and we were replicating it but expanding it. So the way the protocols of the experiments worked was this. We had test subjects. They were sitting in front of a computer. That computer had been previously loaded with images. Some of the images were intentionally horrific. Like someone getting stabbed, just like jumping out or whatever. And some were intentionally very, very beautiful and evocative, something that would be a positive rainbow, nature stains, rabbits, things like that. That would be more evocative of those kind of emotions. The test subject in front of the computer with a blank screen

18:32was then suddenly prompted to click a button. They would click that button and there was a six second delay and then a picture would emerge. And then the screen went blank again and then the prompt would come back up. So they were doing this over and over and over with clicking this button. And while they were doing it, we had a monitor. We were monitoring brainwave activity, galvanic skin response. We were looking at several different parameters of heart, heart rate variability and something that, you know, called heart rate, heart, heart, hearty boat potentials is what the name of the idea. So a lot of information coming back from the physiology as they were doing this back and forth with the computer. The images in the computer were being randomly selected by the computer. It was reading programming. Random selection in the computer. So they did that and we had, and then we began to analyze the data from that. And our scientists began to do that. They saw something very interesting was occurring. Is that in many, many cases,

19:33the physiological response to the upcoming picture was taking place six seconds before the picture actually showed up on the screen. Six seconds? Six seconds. Before the picture showed up, the body was doing what it would do if the picture had been there. Now, they analyzed it further and they found out that the first physiological response to the picture that wasn't there was the heart. A second and a half later, the brain began to do it. A second and a half, again, before the picture actually came heart and brain synchronized. They synchronized and then the picture showed up. Six seconds before it was heart, brain, heart, brain together picture, physiological response. So I was talking to the lead scientist on it, Dr. Roland McCready one day we were on a plane together and I was trying to get really clear about this study so I could do things like talk about it today. And then he made a comment, it was the blue my mind.

20:35He said, we said, but six seconds, it's just what the research protocol was set at. It could be a lot further out and time wise than that. And so what it says in the summary, the research paper, and this is a paraphrase, it basically says that it appears that we have, that the heart is sensing information from a non-local source that we've had this ability all along but that we never recognized it. And that as we do, we have a useful tool. I mean, that's a heavy paraphrase there in the study. But it's basically saying that it appears that we have these abilities, so to speak, to sense things in the future. And that the heart would be the first responder in that process at a physiological level. So let me start. Let me stop you for a moment. From the time they pressed the button until the time the image became visible, what was that amount of time?

21:36Was it seven? So it was six seconds. So immediately as they pushed the button, their heart already registered as something. Yeah, very quickly after the button was pushed, they started registering something. And then, you know, and this one's saying the button was pushed to the screen was blank for six seconds. That's the research protocol. What Dr. Roland McCready said is it's six seconds, what if we said it at 30 seconds? What if we said that, you know, it could be longer than that, you know? Was there a certain reaction measurable for a positive response to a, you know, a beautiful picture versus a different type of measurable reaction to a negative response to an unpleasant picture? Yeah, that's what they were looking at. They were looking at changes that recur. If you were experiencing this in real time, what was your body be doing? And they could break that down positive and negative, you know, the perfect pictures versus the pretty pictures and all of that. So they were able to see the patterns in response, relative to the pictures. That's what they were observing through the analysis

22:37of the data. They're measuring the frequency of the magnetic field of the brain and the heart. No, they're just measuring inside the body. What's happening with the heart? What's happening with the brain waves? What's happening with those kind of things? Not outside the body and not looking at measuring in the field itself. They were looking at physiological responses to the upcoming pictures. Is it possible that just pressing the button created anticipation and that could be in response that's being picked up? That was one of my first questions and the way in which they analyzed the data was taking that variable out. You know, they had, you know, in the data analysis, they were able to factor those things out of it to get down to the core data. It'd be too hard to explain exactly how that went, but they were able to filter it. Obviously, they were taking out anticipation. You know, they were figuring out that within the research protocol. That's pretty amazing. But that was a good question and I had the same one. You know, like, well, I mean, what if you just think it's going to be that?

23:38You know, well, you know, that's the factor. But, and again, it's an interesting study. It doesn't definitively prove that the heart is sensing these things or that, you know, we have a pre-cognitive ability. But it's a strong indicator. And the research study was done in a way that it was able to be published in a major journal. So this was a significant research. It wasn't just an experiment that we did and wrote about it. It was published in a major journal. So I think that's pretty significant that that occurred. So you did find that the heart responded before the brain to the actual picture. That's right. Let me do this if I may right now because people, you, the viewers probably say, we're working a little more about this. Well, if you want to go to theheartmath.org website, we have to.com and out org, click on the research tab. And you can find the study and read about it yourself. It's called the electric physiology of intuition. Published in the Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine.

24:39And so if you go to that heartmath.org website and go to the research tab, you can find that study and you can read all about it. I mean, it's in the very scientific terms. If you're interested in that, that's where you would find it. So I want to at least point people to the resource, so they could have a time to take a look at it themselves. How did the scientific community respond to this research? Well, I think, you know, there's a lot of interest in many sciences, a big deal. Let me cover so many different things. But there's an interest in trying to understand, you know, things that are nonlinear, you know, and to put it in a context where we can develop new understandings and therefore new belief in. So there's a lot of interesting research going on around things like that, like on consciousness itself, you know, sort of their conversation with that. So I mean, certain parts of the research community would write it off, it's not important to them. It's not the kind of science that they do. It's not going to be empirical enough, and that sort of thing. And that's fine, that's fair. And then there are others that are taking a different approach to what science is. And using it as some, I think, a way that's more adventurous,

25:44more creative. Science has to be done right. Science is, I believe in empirical science. And I think that there's a lot of pseudo science out there that can be confusing to people. But when science is done right, and when it begins to prove something definitively, it's very powerful. I've said before that, when science proves something to be true, it increases the power of belief. Science says, now I believe. But for that to be effective, we have to be careful about science. We have to make sure it's done right. And an inference in science is something that I'm not a big fan of. Too many things being inferred through a little bit of science. So I prefer to take a more conservative tack on that and say, let's take it slow. Let's prove these things out over time. So I think that HeartMass research has always been respected in the scientific community because of that, even though we've dabbled in things like that. I think it's important.

26:44Another example of science we're doing now that's interesting from an energetic standpoint is the relationship between energetic relationships between all living systems. And one of those fields of inquiry is actually involves trees. And when I found out about the tree research project starting, I was questioning that myself. So why are we spending time and energy and money to get involved in tree research? And what was explained to me is there are three tree and trees on our planet. They're the largest bio system that there is. And what most people don't know, our researchers need this, and is that trees also produce electricity. They produce electrical energy. And so they've been, they developed the technology placing sensors on trees to measure changes occurring in the electrical energy of the trees. And there's a network of these that our researchers, HeartMass research has around the world now. Monitoring electrical changes, voltage changes in the trees. And trying to correlate these things to planetary changes like solar flares

27:45or changes in the geomagnetic field. Those kind of influences showing the trees response energetically different. In one experiment done not too long ago, they had four trees on the HeartMath Institute property. A small group of people for I think of us five days could have been seven. We're brought there and placed in front of the trees, the four trees. Their instruction was, is to send love and care to one of those trees. They were told which tree. Send love to one of those trees. And what we saw was definitively different, electric, not magnetic, but electrical voltage changes in the tree that was receiving the love. Defensive. Then different than the other trees. So then they took it non-local. They had people that are involved in the tree research project around the world do the same thing non-locally and we saw a similar effect. That when love and care was being focused on that tree,

28:46it had a different electrical voltage output than the other trees that did not receive that love. So the point of that whole thing is like, we're all in this together. I mean, what's the big deal on all this? From me gets down to, it looked, we're going through a lot as a global society. This is a seriously challenging time. It's a time of great opportunity, but a time of great challenge. And I think very often we can feel a bit lonely in that process. The research we're doing now is showing that there's an energetic connection between all living systems. People, animals, plants, the whole thing, an integrated energetic system. And I think it's important to recognize that at times, for nothing else to give us a sense that we're not alone, that we're involved in something as a collective, that we're all in this together. How many volts does a tree output? I have to look at that. It's gotta be low, right? Yeah, it's putting out some electricity, but yeah, it's measurable. It's a measurable man and electrical voltage in a tree.

29:49Well, people talk about that they want to go outside and walk barefoot in the grass or go hug a tree and it's grounding for them. Low energy, unfocused, foggy, you might be dehydrated. Gatorade zero powders have been scientifically designed to help improve hydration balance in the body with a clinically proven electrolyte blend and no artificial colors or flavors. Great tasting hydration, no matter where you're going. Shop now online or at retailers nationwide. Gatorade hydrates better than water. Is it in you? Symptoms noted are signs of mild to moderate dehydration, consult a healthcare professional if symptoms persist. Yamabah Resort and Casino at Sandman Well is bringing the biggest laughs to the stage. Break taboos with Ali Wang on August 28th and 29th. Enjoy Ralph Barbosa's Dry Humor on September 18th and 19th and don't miss Nikki Glazers on Apologetic Comedy November 19th. Tickets on sale now at Yamabah Theatre dot com. Only at Yamabah Resort and Casino, celebrating its 40th anniversary.

30:50You in must be 21 to enter. Well, I think we all enjoy nature for a certain reason there. You know, why do people like to do that? Why do they hike? Why do they go camping? You know, why do they like to get out on the lake? I mean, there's an energy connection between all of that that we, that nurtures us, that we benefit from. And what's interesting about studies like this is we're showing us a two way street. We are influencing that as well. You can want to stay on the energetic so I can take it a little bit wider if you'd like. Sure. The Global Coherence Project, another one of our projects. The Earth itself produces fields. There are two primary fields and you probably heard of them. The Geomagnetic Field, which is what a compass measures. Also the ionosphere, which is a field that works in conjunction with the Geomagnetic Field. Slesse dance starts just above the atmosphere

31:52and goes about 100 miles up in the space. These two fields are protective layer around the planet. They protect us from what's generically called space weather. Cosmic rays, solar flares, solar winds, those type of influences. The fields are there because the protection planet allows life to be in existence here. Without them, there'd be a rock here. So they're protecting us from all of this. And they are being impacted by all these things. Like a solar flare comes and it lights up the Geomagnetic Field. A Royal Borealists all that is magnetic fields be hit by solar radiation. Now, for a long time scientists have been tracking the fact that changes in these fields impact human health and behavior. This is well known now and well studied by a variety of organizations and scientists. Coralating things that are occurring in people physiologically like the brain wave functions, their heart, a lot of different things correlated to changes in the field.

32:54And also research has been done in some societal changes. When there's a major shift in the Geomagnetic Field, for example, there could be more of them, there could be riots, there could be wars, there could be various things that have been correlating with. They've also correlated it historically with positive things showing that when changes were occurring in the field where there was more solar activity, for example, that the renaissance was taken place. So they correlated with both things, not with just negative effects, but also with positive changes. Now, so research has been done and continues to be done and we do some of it as well. On understanding the energetic fields relationship to us, there are influence on us. We've also started to turn around. We have developed and have deployed for the last 10 years now, sensors around the world that are measuring changes in these fields. And we have about six of them now, I think, that located places like this one in Saudi Arabia, there's one in South Africa, there's one in Lithuania,

33:56there's one here in California. We've got these sensors. And so we're looking at data all the time on that. The reason we did it, and we haven't proven it yet, back to how hypothesis if I'm made, is we also believe it's a two way street that we believe that we are actually influencing those fields through what we think and what we feel. That there aren't being in us on this planet, constantly feeling and thinking. And that's an energetic output that's going out, and that the combined energetic output of us, the human species, could be impacting the fields themselves. That there's a two way communication happening. Right now, we've been getting lots and lots of new information and data showing the impact of the fields on us, and the hypothesis we're testing is still going on. But it would be amazing if we proved that to be true. If it ever proved empirically that we are impacting the fields. As Jack Camfield, author of Jack Camfield said, I mean, one day he said,

34:57this could be the most important experiment in the history of the world. I said, why is that? And he said, if it ever proved to be true, if you guys proved that to be true, everything, every thought, every feeling, every spiritual practice that we've done, every meditation, every labyrinth walk, whatever people do, has a measurable, is making a measurable difference. And that puts us in a different position. I'm taking it to my understanding of that now, a responsibility. What we think and what we feel is important. We have a phrase here at Harmath, which sometimes will stop and ask herself, what am I feeding the field? When am I putting in the field of consciousness? How is that impacting the field itself that other people are experiencing too? The other people are drawing from. So these are all experiments in scientific inquiry that have a purpose. It's not just random experimentation, it's really building an understanding of consciousness, an understanding of our relationship to it, and understanding of each other,

35:58and our relationship to the world itself. And that's the purpose of some of the research we've been doing for a very long time now. The Institute's called Heart Math Institute. What is the math part of the name? That's not true, we are found, or the way he uses terminology sometime. He sees math as just a terminology that has the feeling of solidness and groundedness. So he felt that heart was something that people understood at a natural level, and certainly had been talked about for thousands of years, but he felt it needed groundedness. He felt it needed to be brought down and utilized in the way we live our lives and daily life. History of the knowledge would be taken hard from sky to street, from a peer with his heart, it's just a beautiful, wonderful thing, but then how does that relate to the bad email we just got? How does that relate to the relationship issue we got? How does that relate to concerns about our finances

37:00or our health, the things like that? Heart needed to be infused into all of that, it needed to be a way in which we live life. So the math part would be just grounding that, bringing that into a more solid relationship to how life works. So heart math is a term. It's an interesting name. It's one of those names that people don't quite understand, but never forget. So there's an asset and a deficit to it. The frequency that comes from the heart, it's measurable, right? Yeah. As well as the frequency that it comes from the brain. Yeah, you can measure brain waves. They go outside the skull a couple of inches. Outside you can measure brain wave activity. The electrical output from the brain in the heart's measurable as well is just much stronger. Is the goal of heart math then to make the frequency of each one of those the same frequency? No, no. They work independently. It's the best synergy between them, about the relationship between them, about the heart's influence on the brain primarily

38:02of influencing brain function. The heart influences a lot of brain function. And that's something most people don't know, but brain function is critically dependent upon information overseas from the heart. So it's about synchronization of those. And it's not only about synchronization, heart and brain is synchronization within the whole body and the whole system. We have done a lot of studies on something called heart rate variability. And that's important. You'll see a lot of that around now. You see we have our own heart rate variability devices. They're really cool, but you see it in other devices. Now, other wearable devices all have heart rate variability in them now. And we played a pretty significant part in popularizing heart rate variability. That's measuring synchronization within the autonomic nervous system. Autonomic nervous system is a major part of a nervous system that influences about 90% of every bodily function we have. Now, that system consists of two branches.

39:06Sympathetic, that speeds everything up. Parasympathetic, that slows everything down. So what you want optimally for optimal health and optimal performance is you want this, there's two branches to be working synchronistically together. What happens, however, when we live in this high stress world is they get out of sync. We get into nervous system, this regulation is called where the nervous system is getting whacked out. There's two systems are not working together. Primarily, it's because all the stimulation that we're under, it creates a lot of sympathetic activity. Sympathetic system stays dominant all the time. The speed that we're living at, the information that we're having to take in all the time, the ups and downs in our reactions to the news and all of that is just creating this massive amount of sympathetic nervous system activity. When that happens, the parasympathetic system begins to whare out. It's like it's the brakes on the car and it can't keep up, it begins to whare out. Nervous system goes into a dysregulated state,

40:08impacts us as human beings. So the anecdote to that is the synchronized state called coherence. Coherence is a highly-ordered state when all the major body systems are working together. It is a high-performance state. It's a state that feels balanced and calm. It's not just a sleepy time state, like a meditative state, which we're fine, but it's not just a meditative state. It has that calmness and that focus to it that meditative states have, but it's also very conscious and very aware. It is a state that promotes higher perception, brain function improvement. It does have health benefits to it. We train people in coherence. That's what we do at heart math. So the coherence is a synchronization of that whole autonomic nervous system in the heart rhythmic patterns, heart rate variability. That helps to synchronize heart and brain, going back to your original question.

41:09Heart and brain are synchronized when they're working together our perceptions, yes. So we see the bigger picture. We see the wider angle views on things. When it's not in sync, we go into a state called cortical inhibition. Cortical inhibition would be when the heart rate variability patterns are very chaotic in your regular sending information to the brain, higher perceptual centers in the brain begin to shut down. And when they begin to shut down, we don't think clearly. We can't see the bigger picture. We only see the problem. We only see the reaction. We only see the negative side of things. When we begin to bring that heart rate variability patterns into an organized flowing state, which we train people to do, and we measure that. We have technology that measures it. It sends different signals to the brain. We go into a state called cortical facilitation, brains opening up. When this opening up, we begin to widen our perception. Going back to the very beginning of our time together,

42:11we widen that perception. And what that perception widened in years is we're accessing more of the field of consciousness. We're seeing more angles of view, more possibilities. We're accessing more consciousness. And we do that physiologically to improving our heart rate variability sending different signals from heart back to brain, opening up higher perceptual centers in the brain, accessing more information from the field of consciousness. I was watching a video last night of a brain surgeon talk about thoughts and our brain produces thoughts without us actively creating the thoughts. The brain produces thoughts. And our reaction to them is a chemical reaction that what we may call an emotion like a happiness. Like happiness is basically a chemical reaction. And our brain is feeding us these thoughts and we can either pay attention to them or not,

43:14or we can just let them go. Do you think that our reaction to these thoughts would cause disc coherence between the brain and heart? They work together, it's back and forth, it's chicken and the egg thing, but you're right. And here's the thing, one of the most important skills we need today is learning how to better regulate our emotions. Every thought, every perception creates an emotional response. And those emotional responses trigger all kinds of releases of hormones, for example, into the body, that go on from every single perception we have. Every change of emotion creates about 800 by a light by a physical change, a hormonal change, every single shift of emotion does that. Now, when we are living a life where we have no regulation of emotion or a limited regulation, we're at the mercy of our emotions. Everything creates an emotional reaction of some kind. And many people think and believe

44:15that emotions are simply reactions. Not true. We have the ability to choose emotion. We have the ability to regulate our emotions consciously. And it's one of the most important skills anyone needs right now to live in this world that we're in today. It's learning how to better regulate emotions to be making important emotional choices. Yes, emotions are reaction back to the video you saw. These thoughts are sort of random, but in not controlled, they're going to create emotional reactions within us. And they are in a way biochemical reactions, like the doctor you saw in the video was saying, what people don't get those, there's a choice in that. Even when we have any emotional reaction, we have a choice of what we want to feel next. I get an email that upsets me. What am I going to do about that? Am I going to say, play that over and over again in my head? Am I going to allow the anger to just say there? I'm going to go out and talk to somebody else about it

45:15and complain about it to them. I'm going to go through the same mechanical psychological patterns over and over again that don't do anything but drain energy and never lead to a good result. Or am, and shortly after that reaction, am I going to intervene? And am I going to insert more of the qualities of the heart into that? Am I going to find something to appreciate about it instead? Am I possibly going to have some compassionate latitude for the person that wrote that email to me, not knowing exactly what they may be experiencing? Am I going to make an emotional shift and side myself that's going to regenerate me? It's going to allow me to be the best version of myself that I can be and allow me to experience the life from a different perspective. That's a choice. So emotional choices are important. And all the interesting research we do at Horror Math, all the things about the fields and those types of subjects and three research and geomagnetic fields, all that. All that's cool and it's important.

46:16It's a part of who we are. But what's more important to me is helping people understand learn how to better regulate their emotions and experience life differently. And to do it from the heart. You know, to engage this beautiful magnificent intelligence everyone has is born with. Dust it off. You know, bring it to the forefront of how you live your life. Bring those qualities and associate with heart into everything that you do. Life gets better when you do that. My story would be representative of that. I sure, in the beginning of our time, learn to listen to and follow that heart and then try to be a person that leads life with more of the qualities of love and care and kindness. That's the key, I think, to having better lives. Low energy, unfocused, foggy, you might be dehydrated. Gatorade zero powders have been scientifically designed to help improve hydration balance in the body with a clinically proven electrolyte blend and no artificial colors or flavors.

47:16Great tasting hydration, no matter where you're going. Shop now online or at retailers nationwide. Gatorade hydrates better than water. Is it in you? Symptoms noted are signs of mild to moderate dehydration, consult a healthcare professional if symptoms persist. For the first time ever, Yamavar Resort and Casino at San Manuel is giving away a new Rolex watch for every Club Serrano card deer. Play with your Club Serrano card and on September 20th, you could be one of five winners of a Rolex watch. Plus, all winners will advance to the finale at Palm's Casino Resort Las Vegas for a chance to take home a rarity. The second Mustang Dark Horse ever produced on September 26th, two properties, six winners, only at Yamavar Resort and Casino, your California to Vegas connection. Details at Yamavar.com must be 21 or older to enter participate. Please gamble responsibly. Is the protocol to balance the coherence between the two based on meditation? Meditation is a tool. Meditation can be very useful in that regard. There are a lot of different kinds of meditations. Some of the meditations, you would not necessarily

48:18see a very positive measurement from our devices from heart rate, very ability devices. By the way, it's called the heart math app and coherence plus sensors, the name what I'm referring to. So with the coherence plus sensor attached, so you'll run through our app. If you were doing a meditation where there was no breathing required, where you were trying to reduce the breath, where you simply were just like this, the heart wouldn't be doing much. So you wouldn't see a great heart rate variability score, coherence score. During meditation with that type of focus, but then engaging the breath as well as one of the ways you'll see the improvements. All heart math core techniques that we have in all of our training certification programs, there's a core to this technique. And it would be this, heart focus, which is focusing your attention in the area in the center of your chest, the area of the heart. Like feel your attention go there. Then what we call heart focus breathing, where you're breathing naturally and normally, but in a rhythm that's comfortable for you,

49:19deeper than normal, probably better rhythm is comfortable. And as you're breathing, you're imagining as if your breath is flowing in and out through the area of the heart. The third step in those type of techniques is to continue to do heart focus breathing and then make a sincere attempt to activate a regenerative uplifting emotion. Appreciation for the good things in your life. Care, love you have for someone, person, place, pet, sense of calm, sense of wellbeing, any of this type of emotions, you do that while you're breathing through the heart. And that begins to create these major shifts in heart rate, variability and the quality of heart brain body communication. Some meditations do that. And what I like about meditative practices is they do give people practice and learning how to focus and slow things down. I think that finding moments of stillness in our life is really, really important to do.

50:22The power of pause is something that we talk about here at Heart Math and we inject this into our business activities. It's like you pause. You just don't keep rushing around. You don't keep just doing the next message, the next email, the next phone call. Take a minute, pause it, bring it down. Slow things down a little bit. Find that connection to your heart. Pause, then go back into it. And doing that periodically during the course of the day allows the day to flow differently. And you'll make better decisions. You'll communicate better, all of that. But without that irregularization, without taking moments of pause or whatever practices work for people and injecting that in with consistency, then it's an up and down process, up and down existence that we have. And I think right now we need those moments of stillness, the power of pause and bring the heart into the process. Are there any supernatural or paranormal responses that people have noted that happens to them

51:26due to synchronizing the coherence between the two? Yeah, we've had people talk about that. I can't remember specifics, but certainly, we've had people have major changes in breakthroughs and insights and things that have come from practicing heart math and heart math techniques. Whether, and it depends, but I think Jeff upon their orientation, some people more oriented to look for paranormal, for example, something like that. And others aren't. There's some to see it differently from their point of view, but they see the shift. They feel the shift, they see the change, they see something bigger is happening in their lives or around them or in their perceptions than there was before. And so there's been people that have come to me, and when I may be out speaking somewhere, and they'll come to me and tell me about an experience they had, and whether they were practicing heart math, then they had an opening of awareness, and they had a download from spirit into their humanist and things like that. And they were described as things to me. So it has happened to a lot of people.

52:26I think it's, again, relative to their orientation with their after, hardest for everybody as I mentioned in the beginning. So I'm in a lot of different kind of environments so to speak, different societal sectors. A lot of my speaking work is in more of the purpose of growth in transformational sectors. So I'm going to track more of their people. They're going to tell me this story. But it wouldn't be the same if I'm over at a major corporation, having a conversation with people there, and they would tell me, yeah, the other day, I had this insight, and it was amazing. I was going to do this, and then I decided not to, and it turned out that was a smart thing to do. That's a different type of paranormal, you know, where they're getting intuitive insight into something, and making a change in how they're going to react or act. Sometimes when I'm lying down, about to go to sleep, I just get into a relaxed state where my body almost becomes more solid.

53:27It's kind of weird to explain, but it becomes more solid. My breath slows, and I'm not necessarily feeling good or, you know, but I'm just like, completely relaxed, but I'm very motionless and still. And like I said, the breath slows, and it feels like the heartbeat slows. Would that be getting into coherence? Does that kind of sounds like it? Absolutely. You know, we go into the state of coherence when we're in deep sleep, the deep restful part of our sleep. We measure people with 24 hour monitoring sometimes, and you can see in the deep sleep stage, they go into a naturally coherence. Coherence is so regenerative. That's what's part of what sleep is doing, you know. You just remind me of something in what you described. When I was a young boy, very young boy, I had an out of body experience. And it was almost probably, I don't know,

54:27I've been estimate seven, eight, nine years old, and I've been playing really hard all day out since the summer, and I've been running around outside, and I went inside and I laid down, and I laid down and I got this very peaceful place. And I watched my self come out of the body and looked down at myself. And just the most pronounced thing like that, it ever happened in my life, was then. And I remember when I came back into my body, my mother came in and I told her what had happened. She was so calm and she was a cool lady, but she just said, it happens with little children like you when you can really finally get relaxed. You know, she knew something about the innocence of a child combined with that relaxing state that had been born from playing hard, and I got this tired place and was gonna go to sleep, the creative at experience. So as I mentioned in the beginning, any experiences I've ever had of note, like that would be when I was in a loving place. You know, it wouldn't because I was trying to do it

55:28through a mind-based, ambition-based approach, it would be something that was more in a loving, more heart-related place. I'm glad you pointed that out. I think that's interesting that if you come from love then trying to force it, it doesn't really work that way. Yeah, it doesn't. I don't know if you do any type of meditation, but do you think sometimes when people are doing meditation, they're trying to force themselves into some state of being that it actually is counterproductive? I don't know about counterproductive, I don't know people for anything they're trying to do. You know, you're gonna take them and make them, give them a awareness shift. But yeah, they try too hard, it's a force thing, and you're forcing yourself into that. It's like the concept of going into total stillness, for example, would be a good example. And yes, I do meditations, and I meditate a lot. And I'm doing basically hard-focused work and I have the whole series of things that I do every single day.

56:29And going into the place of stillness, it's gonna be almost impossible to find a place where there are no thoughts that you can sustain for any length of time. If you're going to say, well, I'm going to go into stillness, I'm gonna have no thought, and then as soon as you get to a place where you begin to recognize you're not having any thoughts, you just had a thought. I stopped playing that game a long time ago because I realized it was not a game you'd win. It's about slowing it all down. It's about reducing the amount of thoughts, releasing the mind chatter and all that. But you don't do it to your point by forcing and trying and blocking, you won't have a fight with your thoughts. You know, you wanna help them ease down and slow down a little bit and find an internal flow that sort of feels more natural to you. But if you're constantly saying, I'm not doing my meditation right because I'm thinking too much. And you begin to fight it and you force it out, it doesn't work as well. So it's about gently bringing your tension back to that.

57:30And one of the heart-mouth techniques is called the heart lock-in technique, locking into the heart. And in that technique, that's what you do. You're bringing your tension in, you're doing the heart-focus breathing, you begin to activate that regenerative uplifting emotion and you try to stay with that. And as you stay with it, you wanna radiate it outward. But one of the approaches to radiate it outward relates to what you ask. You don't wanna see it like, I'm blasting a laser of love from my heart. You wanna feel it more like the glow of a lantern. It's the radiation that's happening. But it doesn't have to be like, I'm being, I'm being, I'm being, I'm being, love the world right now. I'm gonna do it from this power place. You need wanna make it gentle and see it as a radiation like the glow of a lantern. Same as two with meditation. I'm not seeing this detrimental, but I'm seeing relaxing into any of these techniques is how we'll find the most beneficial. I got an analogy.

58:31All right. This may date us from my age. Remember those pictures used to be around these holographic pictures? And look at them and they'd be a bunch of dots. Yeah, you'd see them like in, well, I don't know if you have them there, but we have Waterburger here. But maybe in like a fast food restaurant, and it would be like up on the wall, like in a frame or something. Okay. And then if you got to a certain place looking at it, the dots were turned into a picture, right? Yes, exactly. But to get there, what did you have to do? If you tried too hard to get the picture to show up and you were forcing, trying to force that picture out of the dots that never worked, you had to be intentional or wooden work either. If you just looked at it, it did nothing, it's dots. But if you found this place right in the middle between intention and relaxing into it, then the picture would emerge. It'd be like a three-dimensional picture, right? Yeah. Yeah. But I used to get ahead and look into those things, trying to get the picture to show up, you know? Because I was forcing, you learn to relax into it, and the picture would eventually show.

59:32Same is true of expanding awareness, expanding consciousness, having experiences. If people are interested in having spiritual experiences or paranormal experiences, I think there's a more relaxed way of achieving that than trying too hard to have them. I'll come back to this word, surrender. I don't know if surrender is part of heart math, but it reminds me of near-death experiences and a lot of them once they surrender to death, that's when they have the NDE. Well, I think it's important to surrender mind to heart, you know, let the heart drive it. So we're gonna the mind of the heart, let the heart influence it. The mind comes at a big winner in that game, but surrendering the mind to the heart would be an aversion of heart mass surrender. And then another way I approach it sometimes is belief and consciousness of course, and I believe that there's a larger self, there's a spirit, you know, and surrendering to the spirit, surrendering to that larger self,

1:00:33you know, not to my personality self, not to all the things that I won't based upon how I think I'm gonna come out or ambition-driven things, but surrendering to that higher part of me is something that I aspire to do. So yeah, there's an element of surrender, not necessarily in the formal heart math teachings and that we put out to the world, but in my own life, my own practice, surrender is very important, you know. Just surrender and just surrender to that larger self and surrender mind to heart. And so I think that's probably something that people do experience in a near death scenario. Just recognition is kind of all been about that all along, you know. Many of my guests talk about the chakra system and I'm sure you're aware of it. Does the heart chakra have anything to do with what you've been talking about today? Yes, like the master chakra. Think about this chakra system, you got what, seven of them, which one's in the middle?

1:01:34You got one here, you got three there, and you got three below it, right? Right. So it's the master controller of the chakra system. It's the master computer of that energetic system in our bodies for two to the chakras. And they're real, you know. And the heart runs the show. And so when you bring all those other systems into alignment with heart, that's when they get illuminated, you know, people like the focus on the third eye chakra, you know, the crown chakra or whatever. It's fine. I think they'll be working a lot better. You'll get more out of that when you bring it in through the heart. First, let the heart be the one that's calling the shouts on that, you know, and let the heart be what it is, which is the master controller within the chakra system. Well, what's the website again, if people want to go there and find out more about what y'all are up to? Well, I say go to heartmath.com and then where you can see the, these things like the heart math, coherence plus sensor and the heart math app. I think these are important tools for people.

1:02:34It's not a commercial statement there. I think that how you would develop more of your relationship to your heart and then apply it in your life to where you can better regulate your nervous system, better rate like it late your emotions. That would be something that would be a very useful tool. If you're sitting in scientific research, go to heartmath.org. So it's just for profit nonprofit.com and the.org. And there are a lot of free things there. And one free thing that I will point you to is called the heart math experience. It's a cinematic learning experience than in nine short modules. It was something that I had the pleasure of heading one of the lead roles in creating. Low energy, unfocused, foggy, you might be dehydrated. Gatorade zero powders have been scientifically designed to help improve hydration balance in the body with a clinically proven electrolyte blend and no artificial colors or flavors. Great tasting hydration, no matter where you're going. Shop now online or at retailers nationwide.

1:03:36Gatorade hydrates better than water. Is it in you? Symptoms noted are signs of mild to moderate dehydration, consult a healthcare professional if symptoms persist. For the first time ever, Yamavar Resort and Casino at San well is giving away a new Rolex watch for every club Serrano card deer. Play with your club Serrano card and on September 20th, you could be one of five winners of a Rolex watch. Plus, all winners will advance to the finale at Palm's Casino Resort Las Vegas for a chance to take home a rarity. The second Mustang Dark Horse ever produced on September 26th, two properties, six winners, only at Yamavar Resort and Casino, your California to Vegas connection. Details at Yamavar.com must be 21 or older to enter participate. Please gamble responsibly. Well, from one drummer to another, what bands did you play with and what kind of music did you play? Well, it started as an R&B drummer. Young, first band significance was an R&B Soul Show. It's called the Atlantic Coast Show. It was like the kind of music I absolutely loved. When I was young, I'd go to the Soul Concert site. James Brown and Otis were eating Sam and Dave,

1:04:38all of them, the thol. And this was that kind of band. Then later on, he'd ballad into rock. And it was a drummer and moved into the world of rock. And there were a lot, I was a guy that moved around a lot. I got fired a lot. And so I played with a lot of different groups. Lightam had records like Sal Buck and Pegasus. I was with a guy named Skip Van Winkle. For a while, Skip Van Winkle had a million selling single called Godloven Rock and Roll, the name of his single. So there were a million records. I was with him associated with some other bands that I would not say I was formally ever employed with, but closely associated like Bob Siger, Lennard Schenner, and I knew them all in their worlds. And then through that music business world, you'd associate with a lot. I've been around a lot of them, too many to mention, that either I was on the show with them or on the tour where we opened for them or on it goes. And so it was a different life, a different world.

1:05:41I got to a place where, in their longer felt right to me. I think my heart began to outrun that other awareness. It all felt very self-centered. It all felt, I don't know, just felt like it wasn't what I needed to do. I didn't have the courage to leave it. It was too stimulating. My identity was too wrapped up in it. And it finally reached the point where through a record deal situation and all the disharmonies that sometimes comes with those that I kind of got back into a corner where it became obvious I needed to make a choice whether I was going to be that guy or another guy. And it was a tough choice. Because again, when you're young like that, and that's all you've ever done up until your early 30s, what identity do you have beyond that? And what would life be without it? And you don't know the answers to those questions. But I got deep enough in my own heart and had helped from counsel from friends

1:06:42to talk to me about these things and realized that, even though I didn't know how things will work out that the right thing to do, the true mature thing, the finally being a man thing was to walk away from that and walk away from doing things that would be disingenuous to my true, you know, my own nobility, my own dignity. And so I left. And when I did, life did not treat me well. And some tough years in there, going up in the entertainment industry is a difficult road. I was sure you coming down as harder. But in the end, it worked out great. Me now, here I am, you know, with a role in heart, math, like I've had for over 30 years, best selling author, be hanging out with guys like you. It's like, you know, it was the smartest decision ever made. But one that was not an obvious decision, one that was tough to make at the time when I was young and still full of all that ambition. Do you ever play anymore or do you even have a kid?

1:07:42No, I don't. I used to, and I produced two records. After I got out of the music business that were successful. One of them made the Billboard charts and stayed on the charts for over a year. Wow. And so it continued on in a different kind of way. But over time, it just sort of began to go away. You know, the desire for it began to go away. And, you know, then it got to a point where when, I became an author and when that first book I wrote, became successful, that changes the trajectory of my creativity in a way. Because now that same entertainment energy was going into a different medium. Now I'm the speaker guy, right? Now, you know, now I'm doing that. And that was the even, in a way, more fulfilling, you know, to feel that energy, and to feel it as an individual, not as part of a band or not through the lens of music, but through what I was actually saying to people and had that response back, was actually another tier of fulfillment in that. So the creativity morphed and as it began to morph, you know, go back into music for what, you know.

1:08:44I've never been a guy who lives much in the past. My problem would be living too much in the future. It's supposed to be in the moment. I actually get feedback on that. I bet, you know, it's sort of being too ahead of things at times. But the past has never been an attractor to me. So going back into my music days and all of that, was not something that I'd felt I needed to do. And at the same time, I honor those years and honor those experiences and recognize the little drummer voice, always going to be there. Howard, before we wrap it up, can you leave us with a last positive message? When you're going through life today, and you find that there are times when you don't feel that you've done enough, when you don't feel that you're good enough, when you don't feel that you're ever going to get it, when you don't feel like you're a good person than the person that you thought you would be. I want you to pause and I want you to have a conversation with your own best friend, your heart. And I want you to offer, let your heart offer compassion. Self-compassion, recognize you're a good person

1:09:46doing the very best you can in an often challenging world. Give yourself that self-love, that self-compassion, going back into what you're doing and sort of move on out of all those old doubts and fears and self-judgments. Because you have something inside you that's magnificent and beautiful. Bring it to the forefront of life. That's my last message. Howard, thank you for your message and thank you for being my guest. My pleasure. Do you hear that? That's how I'm right. That means that summer's officially here. It means that grown adults just sprint into the street for a frozen dessert shaped like a cartoon. But this summer, Mint Mobile has a better tree. Every plan, including unlimited, is $15 a month. And unlike ice cream, it won't drip down your wrist or look nothing like the picture. Does anyone have any cash? Give it a try at MintMobile.com slash switch. A front payment of $45 for three months, $90 for six months or $180 for 12-planned plan required. $15 a month equivalent to Texas and P's Extra. New customer offer for initial plan to her moment greater than 50 gigabytes me slow and network is busy. See terms. Out. This knee is killing me.

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