Beyond the virus: The damage America still refuses to confront

0:00Welcome listeners to Doton by the Kool-Aid on Kim Kennedy, one of the hosts on this program and we're so glad that you're with us as always. Today it is my great pleasure to introduce April Walker and Joy Beers who have been guest on the program previously and they're going to be co-hosting and you're going to enjoy their programs. They bring a great depth of guest and today I'm going to turn it over to them so they can tell you a little bit about what we'll be discussing on today's program. Great, thank you Kim. Today our guest is Julie Devono and we're going to be talking about the pandemic. I'm just going to point out a couple of facts here and then Julie can tell us what happened on Long Island. I think a lot of us can recall that we probably first heard of COVID in December of 2019.

1:06In March of 2020 the lockdowns started in America and then in December of 2020 a so-called vaccine was rolled out and Julie was a nurse, correct, on Long Island during this time and I think that you can jump in but when I met you you told me that you heard a calling from God and he asked you to do a thing. Yeah I really feel like I explained it as my moral compass started spinning and up until that point I had never thought that could happen. I had always been someone who thought the moral compass always pointed in the same direction as the laws of our nation and I would never experience what it feels like to have your moral compass point one way and that being a different direction than what the laws of your government pointed you to.

2:09And so I explain it as all of a sudden my moral compass was spinning and I don't think you know unless you felt that what it feels like is I feel it's like God's trying to push you to do something and you don't want to do it. And the way I describe it it's like being on the worst carnival ride of your life you just constantly feel dizzy and nauseous and distracted and until you're just finally like okay I will do whatever it takes to just stop this feeling even if it means knowing that I'm breaking the law because by abiding by the law right now just feels physically worse and sick all the time and as soon as I started pointing or following the compass, the moral compass all of those terrible feelings stopped. Right. And I would agree like what does a person do when you feel as though the laws of man

3:10are running contrary to God's law? It's so confusing because kind of like a child you grow up believing that the laws are always just and good especially in a nation like ours found Christian principles. So there's just at first a lot of confusion and a lot of this cognitive dissidence of being in denial of it being true and real like well I must not have read that correctly. Wait let me talk to my lawyer and get some clarity on this. And it was especially frustrating when at that point I have a master's degree as a pediatric nurse. At that point I was 25 years into my experience. I had worked for over a decade as a they call us a picnic a pediatric and neonatal intensive care nurse. After my hospital experience when I was settling down and we knew it would be starting a family I knew that I see was not a good fit for that. So I started working in primary care.

4:13Got married had a son and decided to start my as I got more and more frustrated with mainstream pediatric medicine and working for mainstream doctors. I decided with the help of the midwife that I had with my son I opened my own practice and it was I get to do things how I want to do it. It was an integrated practice. I would tell people I just pull for more than one toolbox. I offer vaccines if you want them if you don't that's fine. If you do choose them let's talk about the pre-tox and detox and what to watch for. And you know let's get specific on what was the thing that ran contrary to your understanding. And I believe it was a requirement of like vaccine cards to be able to what go to the grocery store or well that is the kind of the pinnacle. It started with before even COVID in 2019 New York took away the religious exemption and

5:17at the same time created their vaccine database. Well they had already had a statewide vaccine database but it had always been optional and voluntary. Part of the law that took away the exemption was they made it mandatory. And we were part of a I was part of a group of medical providers. And some of them were very pro vaccine but we were against this being mandatory based on hippo laws. Some doctors would even say look if this is putting us between a rock and a hard place because the state is basically saying if you don't comply with this database, if you don't put your patient's personal medical information into this state database you're going to get fined by the state. But if you do cooperate with the state to avoid the fine you're breaking federal hippo law and your patients can sue you. So put you in this legal rock and a hard place. So we were trying to fight against that. And the whole time I was in this confusion of wait, don't they know about hippo?

6:22I thought medical information was supposed to be private and protected. And isn't it coincidence that this was all before anyone ever heard of COVID, New York was already creating this vaccine registry. And then people suspicious that there was a record plan behind the scenes that the rest of us were not privy to. And then COVID started and then it started with the mask mandates. And yet I was an IC nurse that had mask training and 95 mask training. And we had to be trained and we learned that they work by static electricity, not a barrier which means after 45 minutes they don't work. You have to replace and put it, you have to leave the patient's room, do another mask fit test, go into the room and set a timer for 45 minutes. And yet they're telling me that children two and up have to have a mask forced on their face when we know it's not going to do any good. It was all kabuki theater and virtue signaling. And like, you know, this intervention is causing too much stress for us to do something for

7:26the sake of doing something even if we know it's not going to work. That's not science. And then I hear the experts saying, they're the science, trust the science, trust the science. I'm like, I have a pretty good basic understanding of science and this isn't it. And then working in the pediatric realm, I started seeing, especially with the school shut downs and the lockdowns and seeing the way it affected children and teenagers emotionally and psychologically. And when we tried screaming from the rooftops about that, no one cared. And I was very fortunate that up to 2020, I had never had to attend a patient's free and roll. By 2023, we had 2014, ages, commit suicide. Oh my God. And nobody cared. Oh my God. And what made it and all that we kept hearing was, well, yeah, they can keep committing suicide, but we got to protect our 86 year old Aunt Pami, who's in a nursing home from

8:29dying three months earlier. And it's like, this is what was kind of the root cause of these suicides was that they felt isolated. It was such an extreme isolation. And remember, part of the lockdowns was in my opinion, fourth screen addiction. If you take a person and strap them down in a chair and shoot them up with heroin every day, three times a day. And then two years later, say, hey, you're addicted to heroin. What's your problem? Why are all these young people so addicted to screens? And my reaction is, well, because for two years, they were locked down and forced fed screen time for schooling, for scouts, for socialization. You can't force something on someone that you know is addictive for two years and then complain that they're addicted. It didn't, but nobody cared because we had to protect the elderly in the nursing homes. And I also say, you know, we had a very different COVID experience.

9:31My community, my husband's a police officer. I was a nurse. Our community were all first responders and essential frontline workers. So for a year and a half, while the rest, we weren't home sitting, you know, doing Zoom calls on sour, you know, baking sourdough bread. We were getting up every day, going to work, getting exposed to COVID, getting COVID, getting over COVID, coming home, exposing our family to COVID, and then rinse and repeat over and over again. So after a year and a half of that, I think what happened was our fear of COVID was lower. Right. Sure. I really resonate with you. I'm really on the conviction part of, you know, you're seeing this, this going against the moral morality, like violating people's rights under God, under the law and really feeling this conviction to do something, but there's like a fear there. But then, you know, you step out and do it and, you know, joy and I got to know each other. We became friends because I had taken a constitutional live class and then, and I cried.

10:36I cried the whole time through it because I realized, wow, I didn't know all of this. And then now I need to do something. And then, so I started the first thing I started doing was going to school board meetings and pushing against the mask manate because here's my vibrant, young son who, you know, thrives on activity and basketball and sports and being with his friends. And this is all being stripped away from him and then, you know, forcing the masks. And so I went to advocate against that and brought forth studies, you know, from the NIH and declared, you know, declared the truth. And we had administrators laughing at me, literally laughing at me as I'm doing this apparent concern for her child and saying, look, you cannot force this. This is a medical device and you have to have a written note from a doctor to force this on them and then really fought against the narrative and really tried to mobilize parents

11:38to stand up as well. And really to say, look, you know, you can't take away their sports. You've taken away everything else. You cannot stop the sport. So, you know, I think God we did, you know, joy was on the board at the time and thank God we were able to have then where it was voluntary, the masking. I mean, there was a, we did have a lockdown at one point, of course, but they didn't stop the sports and then joy of course approached me to ask me to be on the board. I didn't want to do it. And I know what I went through was nothing, it's just scratching the surface compared to what you did. Well, it's like, but what they were starting to do that I started seeing, which was like really evil influence is it, your first instinct as a parent is say, well, we're just going to, we're just not going to comply. We're going to refuse vaccination. We're going to refuse the mask. But then you start seeing what, what that's doing is making your child, especially the teens and the preteens socially isolated. Yes. And then you start seeing the emotional and psychological degrading and you start thinking

12:43maybe, you know, getting the COVID vaccine will be better for him because he won't have to be socially it is sort of like what's worse, the damage from the social isolation or the COVID vaccine. When my son was locked down on Zoom for everything for two years and then they finally allowed him to go back to his in person scouts and boy scouts was his passion. He loved it. Oh, well, you can come to a scout meeting in person, but you have to wear a mask. Now all of a sudden, I'm like, am I, you know, noncompliance to this masking of my child for me when what would bed be better for him is to comply with the mask and allow him to socialize and hug his friends in person. And then when he hops in my car after the meeting so elated with it, you know, you did have to wear a mask, but he looks at me and says, Mom, good news. They're going to have Boy Scout camp this summer.

13:44And I know how you're going to feel about it and I know what you're going to say, but I want you to think about it. We have to have the COVID vaccine to go. I understand this problem because during the pandemic, I had a lot of friends who lived in cities and they were all getting vaccinated. And I felt a lot of pressure. You know, they were inviting me to parties and, you know, after things were easing up. Luckily, I went to my regular doctor who had been my doctor already for years. And I said to him, basically what you were saying, like maybe I'm, maybe I'm bonkers. Maybe I need to just get this vaccine. And my doctor, God bless him said absolutely do not do this thing. He said, you know, he's a learned man. He said that he had been following the development of mRNA technology for decades. And he said for the last 10 years, they've been trying to find a purpose for mRNA technology.

14:51And he said that every test was failing. Every test was a disaster. And he said, this is experimental. It's failed every test. And he said, don't, don't do it. Don't do it. And so I feel like he saved my life after, you know, you hear some of the stories of people having, you know, vaccine injuries. And this is after going to some underground backyard unofficial illegal funerals for teenagers because of suicide from social isolation that starts becoming real. Like maybe a little compliance so that like what's worse, losing my son to suicide or taking a risk with the vaccine and masking and all of that. Sure. Right. Right. It's a Sophie's choice. Right. Right. Yeah. I give you so much credit, you know, for the work that you've done and the stance that you took.

15:52I really empathize with that. You know, and, you know, we were talking earlier before the show about the church and we're going to get into that in a little while. But, you know, one of the disheartening things was we, you know, had a church full of people pretty much everyone believed, you know, believes like we do in our rights. That God has given us our rights and it comes only from God. And yet they just coward to the lockdowns. And even when President Trump declared that churches were essential and to open them back up, they still coward and they would not. And I just remember going head to head with the church leadership and begging them pleading with them, look, stop this. You can have church. We can do this. We are obedient to and we must submit to a higher power than the government. Yes, we are said to submit to government. But when they in fridge on our rights to be able to assemble together, which, okay, 20 seconds.

16:52Sorry. Kim, go ahead. We can't hear you. You're muted. Finish your thought and then we'll all announce the break. Okay. So, you know, what God commands us to assemble together. And so when the government is infringing on that, then we have to submit to God first. But even what then when they tell you, well, the church is seem to be closed, but the strip clubs can be open. Right. Yes. Your children can't go to school, but protests in the city magically causes it affect you if you're protesting. Right. It's like, don't splash water in my face and tell me it's raining. Guys, I hate to interrupt. This is an amazing conversation, but we must go to a break. So folks will be right back after these messages. You're sitting to don't invite the collate here on the America LL network. Your heart is the most crucial muscle in your body. Are you doing enough to keep it strong? Introducing the wellness companies break through healthy heart formula designed by Dr.

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20:56Welcome back and to Don't Embive the Cool Lake in Kennedy. Here one of the hosts for the program and today I am so delighted and pleased to have April Walker and Joy Beers who will be joining us on a consistent basis hosting the program, bringing some really great guests as I know you're enjoying the conversation today. So Joy and April I turn it over to you. Thank you. So we're talking to Julie Devono and she is talking about her experience as a nurse during the pandemic on Long Island. You want to get into the you want to tell the big? Yeah. I can't help you got into trouble with the law. Right. You know, we can spend all day talking about how all the different things, but you know, so flat where we left off fast forward a year and a half of cops, nurses, firefighters working in during EMTs working during COVID. Then all of a sudden going from hero to zero, all of us were basically in a situation where

22:01we were told there's going to be vaccine mandate dates coming up. And you're going to have to have the vaccine by those dates or you're going to lose your job, which for most of us meant our health care, our pension, our livelihood. And not only would you lose a job, if you're going to lose a job because you're refusing the COVID vaccine, that basically means you're not going to be able to find another job. So you weren't just quitting one job and say I'll find another job. You knew I'm going to have to live without income for the long, for the historical reference in mid to late 2021. That is when vaccine cards started being created in cities. And that's when the federal mandates for government workers and military started happening. And then in 2022, this is when the federal government started requiring vaccine cards to travel, right to fly.

23:03So I had already had the experience I mentioned with my own sons trying to allow me to let him get the COVID vaccine so he could go to scout camp. And then all of a sudden it became a crash of police officers, firefighters, EMTs, nurses having their careers on the line. I did have this experience that I call like a breaking moment where one of the fathers of my patients came in. He was a firefighter. He was the picture of a tough guy. He was like 250 pounds. He was like 62, oh, I'm muscle, big tough guy. And he made an appointment for his kids and he came in without his kids. And I'm like, where are the kids? He said, well, I wanted to talk to you privately. He explained the situation. His wife was a nurse. She had already quit her job because she was pregnant with their third child and did not want to get the COVID vaccine. So now all of that was on his shoulders that he was the sole income provider.

24:05They had a mortgage, they had car payments, they had kids. They needed the medical coverage for the pregnancy and that delivery. And he was told that he had two weeks to get the vaccine or he would lose everything. And he was five years away from retirement, he had a pension. He started crying. And to see a guy like that cry broke something in me. So I said, all right, what are you here for? Well, if I got to get the COVID vaccine, I want to at least get it from someone I trust, I want to get it. So we made the appointment and at the, and that was that moment where I'm like, there's just me and him in the room, wink, nudge, squirt, done. And even though you tell people in the beginning, look, I'm just going to do this for my patients, close family friends like the people that are safe. I guess. I used to think that when you were talking about trusting someone, it was all about the, is this the potential for being malicious? I trust this person because they, I, I've assessed their potential to be malicious.

25:11What I've learned since then is that's not what's dangerous. It's how much courage does this person have. So I could see someone now through my new, my new eyes who would never harm a soul in the world. They don't have an ounce of negative maliciousness in them, but I don't trust them because I see their lack of courage. Yeah, I think, I think Julian Assange, me, and some kind of a quote that I really resonated with several years ago. I mean, we all know what he went through with wiki leaks when he leaked the, you know, the Hillary Clinton debacle. He said that he had always thought that intelligence was in short supply, but that he has learned that it's actually courage. Yeah. That's in short supply. So I think what happened was good, well-meaning people who wanted to help others days. Before I knew it, I would come to work and there'd be a hundred desperate crying people lined up out my door. Wow.

26:11Yeah, I mean, people have empathy for other people. But Julie saved my neck and I didn't have to, you know, have this experimental, you know, potential poison put into my body. And then probably another person was crying to them. Right. Way that man was crying to you and they divulged your name. So I knew I had to, I was at a crossroads. I either had to stop or figure out a way to do it the right way. So I decided, okay, I am going to help these people, but I am running a business that's pediatric primary care. I don't want this going on while kids are there getting their checkups. So I wanted it to be intentional and planned. So I reached out to my trusted allies, another nurse, and another person really to work as a secretary. And I said, okay, I'm going to open my office for two shifts. So the day shift is pediatric primary care. COVID vaccines are only going to be between 4 p.m. and 7 p.m. at night.

27:14So that way we don't have the two mixing. We have an hour there over primary care and then COVID vaccines start an hour later. And because I'm also a mom, my husband's in New York City cop, so he isn't home. That's sometimes like being a single mom who can't date. Like I couldn't work two shifts. I would leave. And then the trusted nurse would run a COVID vaccine clinic from 7 or from like 4 to 8. And we had a system in place of referrals. Oh, you had to tell me who referred you. And then I would call that person. Did you refer this person? We tried to make it as safe as we could, but I think just the sheer numbers of people were so overwhelming that things were maybe cut corners. And before I, you know, but for a while, we had, you know, from, from like June to the following January, we were, we just had this going on. Now when you, so you were not vaccinating people, but you were giving them a card saying that they were vaccinated.

28:14Well, we would bring them into the room and we would score it in the sink. So there were because you got to remember there was a vaccine registry in New York. The cards were not what was needed in New York. You had to have the doctor, the nurse put the vet lot number in the registry, a name in personal info. And then there was an app on the phone called the Excelsior app. So if you were going to go to the grocery store or you're going to go to the restaurant or you're going to go out of your house, you had to hold up your phone and it's up. Let me check your, except that you're vaccine for it. So the cards really weren't what makes it even more fishy. I mean, people talk about these batch numbers and their conspiracy theories that go with different types of vaccines and that people were all guinea pigs and stuff like that. New York had already moved well past cards. It was the value wasn't the card because you could go to the store. Oh, here's my card. You got to show me the app. Right. Got to show me the lot number on the app. That sounds like what they did in Israel.

29:16Right. Yeah. In European countries. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so that was running along, but then I also had to be prepared for if I'm going to hire a nurse and put her on a salary and a secretary to put on a salary and I'd have to hire more gloves and alcohol sobs and syringes and like running a business, whenever you give something for free as a business, it's actually not free to the business owner. They're taking a loss. Right. Yeah. So I had to charge something to cover to break even. And this is where I get a lot of negative, you know, comments from people who will say, oh, well, I supported her if she did it for free, but she charged money. So that was greedy. And I'm like, the going rate for a COVID vaccine card in New York at the time was $1,000. Out in Eastern Suffolk County, you could get maybe one for 500. Everybody knew six different people that could get them COVID cards.

30:18They're coming to me because I charged half that. I charged $220 per vaccine and a lot of my people, they were telling me, well, I can't afford $1,000 per vaccine. I can't afford 500 of vaccine. I can afford 220 of vaccine. And at the time, I did the math and said, okay, well, I'm going to charge this to cover my costs. That's right. Even sure. I thought I might sell a couple hundred. If you had told me at that time that so many people were so desperate to avoid the vaccine, that they themselves engaged in knowingly breaking the law, that at $220 per person, it added up to over a million dollars over 400, over 4,400 people. I would have been shocked. Oh my God. That's like filling a football stadium. I'm like, so when people tell me, yeah, but I heard you made over a million dollars.

31:19I said, well, no, we brought in over a million dollars, but flip that math equation around. Yeah. $220 per person. It added up to that much money and shows you how many people were so desperate to avoid this vaccine, that they chose to pay someone to engage in breaking the law to do it. And they didn't pay that much. Just the volume was so high. I would have been the last person to expect that. I would have told them they were crazy. You also have to remember when I talk about how I was treated by the justice system differently because it was political, I can prove that because I did my research. I'm also a certified legal nurse consultant. And I did my legal research prior to this, every case of any medical provider who was caught falsifying vaccine records. They were given a fine of somewhere between $30,000 to $700,000. And their license was put on a probationary basis for three years.

32:22So I thought, if I'm going to go into that, what's the worst case, what's the worst scenario? And am I up to the challenge of facing that? And I was very thoughtful about, well, if I set aside the money coming in to pay the fine. And I can handle a probationary license for three years. I will engage in this. I am up to the task. There was even a midwife that was caught after I was arrested, after I went to trial. In the very next town over, a midwife was caught falsifying pediatric vaccines. She was given a $750,000 fine and her license was probationary for three years. She never stopped working. And she raised that money from her clients in less than a month. Oh my God. Wow. But for some reason, I had to be targeted with multiple convicted felonies, nine months in an ankle monitor under house arrest.

33:22They seized all my bank accounts. They tossed our house. They took every penny down to the pennies in my wallet, all the money in our gun save that was half of our life savings, the bank account that was the other half of our life savings. And in the end, they said it's not enough. We're going to seize your home and they put a lien on our house. Yeah, I would. Yeah, you sold the house, but they got the money. They got all the money. Yeah. And what I learned was I got, I went down some rabbit holes and how to hide money because you think this is like scrubs means breaking bad. I got to learn how to hide money. But then I realized in the end, they don't need you. There's no point in hiding the money because what they do is they put a fine over your head that's so extreme, you bring the money to them. Wow. You don't need to hide it because they're just going to tell you. And then so in the end, I was sentenced 850 hours, 840 hours of community service, five

34:23years probation. I'm two and a half years into that probation now. I was thankful that I got help getting the community service hours. And now I'm just trying to finish probation. And then a year ago, I get a knock on my door and it's two guys in suits, four cops in bullet proof vest with their weapons drawn in tactical positions on my property, Ruby Ridge style, who served me a subpoena for a civil trial. It's called the New York double tap. They did it to Daniel Penny. Daniel Penny, they did it to Trump. They do it to anybody who's charged criminally. And you're living in Pennsylvania. Yeah. And they came to Pennsylvania with guns drawn. Well, they got Pennsylvania cops. Like the two guys were from the New York Department of Health. They called Pennsylvania police and said, we're going to have to serve a warrant. God knows what they told these cops. Right. They were led to believe it was going to be dangerous. And I opened the door and my, you know, I'm in my pajamas, my robe, my husband.

35:24That's great. And we're like, can we help you? And they're like, well, we're here to serve a subpoena. You're being sued by the Department of Health in civil court. And we're looking at the cops and we're like, okay. Like, and we had our flag out. And it was who serves a subpoena with guns? I mean, well, that's what he was when they left, I closed the door. I look at my husband. He was a New York City cop for 20 years. I said, is that how you serve a subpoena routinely? And he was just like, absolutely not. Yeah. So we went through the civil trial, which when they say civil trials are a joke, they truly are a joke. And they're evidence for, oh, well, we're now suing you in civil court for pediatric vaccine forgery. Their evidence was, well, she was convicted of a felony from forging COVID cards. So we think she also forged pediatric cards. Oh, my word. That would be an April. And Julie, we need to take another break. This is a fascinating conversation. But folks, you are listening to Don't And Buy the Kool-Aid here on the America L Radio

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38:34I'm Kim Kennedy, one of the hosts and today I am very excited to introduce returning host April Walker and Joy Beers. If we have some time at the end of the program, they are going to tell you a little bit more about themselves. I'm very glad to have them with us. I'm looking forward to more excellent guests such as Julie. I don't want to steal any more time, Julie, because this is incredible. This reminds me of J6, what happened to some of the people and their treatment. Without further ado, April and Julie, I turn it back over to you. Thank you, Kim. Julie, you were saying about your life. Well, yeah, when we think to what extreme will they go to punish you? What I learned is there is no end. One of the things I think about is they even went as far as driving across three states, five hours, dressed up as animal control officers, knocked on my 72-year-old mother's door,

39:36and she thought they were animal control. She's opening the door and she's like, oh, did PD jump the fence again? I'm so sorry. She didn't. Then they pulled the jackets off and proceeded to try to interrogate her. Luckily, she had the fourth thought to call, instead of talking to them, she called me and I called my attorney and he told them, you know what you're doing is not legal. Go Pound San. But what they do is they do stuff they know is not legal, but they just hope that you either won't have the knowledge or where we're going to fight it. That's what I felt intimidated, right? Yeah. And one of the things that I really don't want to lose the opportunity to talk about because in every other interview that I've done, they didn't want to talk to the spiritual side and you want your own pandemic talking about the spiritual side. I had been, you know, a casual, I grew up in a little Bible church, you know, but went off to college like so many young women do, fell away from the spirituality and the religious

40:38side. I would call myself like a B&E Christian, like, oh yeah, I'm a Christian. I go to church and I put up a Christmas tree and I wasn't going to church every week. I was letting that kind of fall away. I think part of this is, you know, it did bring me back to God. I don't know if that was God's intention. I think God had bigger plans all around, but the good thing to come out of this is it brought me back to church and it brought me back to my spirituality and my relationship with God. And that's because sometimes some people like me are so stubborn, they need to see legit, especially science-minded people. When you see miracles happen, you got to pay attention. And one of the miracles that was the first taste of like, wow, there's something on another level happening. Even my lawyer was like, there's some weird stuff happening here. And the first one was, of course, I did start going back to church for the support. And you know, I needed it. I was talking about my moral compass spinning.

41:40Now I was following my moral compass. I decided I needed to be around other people who understood that. And to be honest, people who were kind to me, you know, my husband said, why are you going back to church every Sunday now? Like it's nice to spend a couple hours with people who don't hate me. And so it comes to the night before my indictment. And I go to church because my pastor assembled a prayer team to pray. And we prayed. The next morning my lawyer calls me, says, the darnedest thing happened. I'm like, what's that? There was a massive cyber attack against the government's computers. There was a computer virus. They can't even process a speeding ticket right now. So your indictment's been postponed for until they work this out. It'll probably take a couple months. And I remember thinking, well, that's interesting. But what would be God's, what would be the point? You're just postponing the inevitable.

42:40And I'm like, oh, we'll see what happens. Well, six months later, I get assigned my court date for my indictment. And it's the same day that Trump was indicted and Manhattan. And I remember my lawyer saying, it's such a good thing that that coincidentally happened because it took all the media attention off of you, which was really needed because at that time, my son had been suffering from tremendous all of that media attention and all that negative attention from Long Island in general. It was really starting to wear on him. And I just felt like the last thing you needed was another media blitz about mom. And Trump's indictment brought that off. And I get to tell people, Trump and I have something in common. We were both indicted, but we work on the same day. So that was that little miracle. The next miracle fast forward, they had to postpone my court date because they arrested the Google Beach Zero Killer. They needed to put the chief prosecutor on him instead of me,

43:43because it wouldn't be a good look to have the chief prosecutor on me when they have a serial killer to prosecute. My lawyer is like, OK, they postponed your court date by month. I'm taking my family on vacation. We're going to Dominican Republic. You're probably not going to be able to reach me easily. But I don't foresee anything happening. Well, a week later, they cops show up at the door there to arrest me for missing my court date. And my husband tried explaining to them while I'm furiously trying to call my lawyer in the back of the kitchen. He's trying to explain to me. And he's saying, look, I'm a cop. I know you hear this all the time. There really was a mistake in this case. You were the ones who changed your court date. We have the document right here. Court date, rescheduled. Well, yeah, but our computer says otherwise. And we always call the computer, so nobody deals. You'll spend a night in the holding cell. You'll see the judge in the morning. No, that would be all for the night. Yeah. Wasn't the first time. And so then I went to the first where

44:45the police officers delivered me to the holding cell. And they said, oh, no, the computer says that you have an arrest warrant, which is a bigger deal. That's like you've already been tried and convicted. And you're running away from your supposed go to prison and you're escaped. So that's a big warrant. So then now the computer system is a full-of-logic information. Then so they're taking me to Riverhead a correctional facility, a prison, and putting me in a jumpsuit and processing me as an inmate. And I had one quick phone call to my husband. And my husband was like, well, that's not right. I saw the warrant. They showed me it was a bench warrant, not an arrest warrant. I didn't even understand why he was upset. But later I learned, this is a big deal. You basically are being, you're an inmate in prison. Then I'm getting processed. And the woman said, well, this has you listed as you're assigned to solitary. I'm like solitary.

45:47I haven't even been to trial yet. Yes, greatly. Well, but that's what our computer says, and that's what we do. I'm the leader, though. So they give me a plastic bag with clean sheets in it. And they put me in a solitary cell that had really suspicious stuff all over the walls. It was like really gross. And I just basically took the clean sheets out of the plastic, cocooned myself, wrapped myself in a cocoon, and just curled up and just cried and cried and cried. And I was at, like, when they talk about the depths of despair. And then I felt like, you know how as human beings, we feel the presence of someone in the room with us. I, before I even over my eyes, I felt the presence of someone in the room with me. But then at the same time, the cognitive dissidence was, well, but that's not possible. I would have heard them open the prison cell. But there's someone in the room with me.

46:47And I already knew before I knew it was Jesus. And I know that's going to sound me, make me sound completely crazy. And I knew this never alone. And I knew that the science might of people are going to say, oh, well, your grief was just causing hallucinations. But I knew it was Jesus. And I even felt someone sit down on the bed. And I opened my eye, like I opened an eye to look around to say, well, how crazy is this going to be? Am I going to see things? I didn't see anybody. I didn't hear anybody. But curled up in a ball, I know Jesus was sitting on the bed. And I knew he was talking to me because in my mind, I could have, I had this whole conversation with Jesus in my mind. And it was about, you know, I don't understand why you're here. I left you. Like I don't deserve this.

47:49Like, you know, I'm not somebody who's a good Christian, who's religious. I'm a terrible person. I'm a terrible Christian. I've been like, saying, like I am not looking for a relationship with you. And the message I got was, yeah, but I've always wanted a relationship with you. Let's talk about having a relationship. And, you know, the time passed. And I just, it was so comforting because, you know, and I still hear people joking, saying, oh, well, I would prefer to be in solitary if I was ever in prison. It's safer. I'll be left alone. Well, you don't realize about the real trauma of being in solitary isn't that they're requiring you to be alone. It's that you are now unsafe. Remember, this was the time of Epstein. Like, remember, you went back into Epstein's suicide in him.

48:49Oh, yeah, yeah. All of a sudden, I am completely at the mercy of whatever abuse or danger. They want to inflict on me. And there is nothing. They wouldn't even let me have my glasses. I usually wear glasses, but the shine was drives me crazy when I'm doing zoo. They had to take my glasses away because they could be used as a deadly weapon. But then they handed me an inmate manual that I needed to read. And I was responsible for knowing. And I'm like, I can't read. I had to sign documents that, but they wouldn't let me. And I would tell them, I can't read these documents. I can't see. I need my glasses. Well, you can't hear glasses because you could use them as a deadly weapon, but you need to sign this document. I'm like, I don't know. The document says, well, you need to read it. Well, I can't read it. I don't have my glasses. Well, you can't have your glasses. Like, it's just this. And it was the danger.

49:50But I felt Jesus there with me. I knew he would keep me safe. I knew he would get me through it. The next day, I saw the judge in the morning and the judge said, oops, our bad. It was a mistake. You're free to go. And I had another, like a defect, what do they call it? A regular defense attorney, like, you know, a counsel, a public under. And he even said, okay, well, you can meet your husband out front. He'll pick you up. And okay, great. And if I've learned anything, never let your lawyer walk away while you're still in handcuffs. The judge and the man told me, here's your release papers. We're doing it on paper because our computers are still, you know, they could take a while. But if you get pulled over or someone comes to your house to rest, you just show them these documents. And I'm like, okay. But then I was still in handcuffs. They brought me into another room. They put me back in a cell. And then they put me back on the bus. And they put me back in through me back in solitary. Oh, my God.

50:51And the whole time, I'm telling the police officers, well, the court officers, no, no, no. The judge released me. My husband's waiting for me out front. Right. Well, our computer says otherwise. Oh, my God. But the judge is in the other room. You could ask him. Right. We don't feel like it. And then I get back to the job. I'm like, can you make a phone call? Because this is a mistake. The release papers are in my pocket. You could read them. We don't feel like it. The computer says otherwise. Oh, my word. And so I went back in the cell, back in solitary. And then finally, at eight o'clock at night, I traded an apple and a container of milk to a really sweet young girl. I call her a young girl because I'm old. I mean, I'm sure she was like 1819. But like whatever. She seemed very young to me. Yeah. And she was very sweet. And I said, can you make a phone call for me? Can you call my husband? And she's like, sure. And so she called him, he knew the answer

51:53because it says this is a prisoner. And then through this young lady, I got this conversation by husband of, where have you been? You were released at a level of clock this morning. Everybody's looking for you. I've been on the phone with the lawyer. He's been on the phone with the judge in the district attorney and the prosecutor. And they're all saying you were released at 11.30 in the morning. Oh, my God. They're looking at nobody knows where you are. I called the prison. I called the courts. They said you were released. The prison said that you weren't there. I'm over. So for nine hours, I was like, you know, non- Look how they can lose you. Look how they can lose you. Non-habious corpus. You know? We don't have the body. And for eight hours, my husband was trying to figure out what happened to me. And they were denying that they had me. And I was suddenly lost in the system.

52:57And the fear is when you're lost to your family or your legal protection, they can do whatever they want. My husband literally said, you know what? I am driving my car and sitting it outside the prison, watching any van. If I see a van take off, I'm following it. It could transfer you to another prison upstate. They could like, so it's that fear. Yeah, but the second miracle was, you know, Jesus was in that cell with me and we had a great conversation. And that was pivotal in a lot of my, you know, bringing me back to the, you know, to God in the church. And then the third miracle, which fast forward again, I finally decide, I'm out of money. They're stacking charges, which means instead of one felony, now you've got to fight three. And oh, by the way, it's $100,000 per trial for legal defense.

53:57And I already spent a quarter million dollars of our life savings that they didn't take on legal defense. And we were out of money. So they said, okay, well, you take a plea deal, but you have to admit, guilt on all of the charges in the plea deal. And instead of 21 years in prison, you'll go to jail for six months. And I remember my lawyer saying, look, I was really hoping I could avoid you going to prison. But I have gotten to know you, you're whiskey and a tea cup. You seem like a delicate flower on the outside, but inside you're strong. You will be able to handle six months in prison. And then this Thursday we go inside the paperwork and you'll be put in prison. Well, that night my pastor had another prayer team meeting. We had another prayer circle. And the next morning my lawyer calls me and says, oh, that night actually 10 o'clock at night, he calls me. I got the email with the plea deal.

54:57They sent the wrong one. I don't know what happened, but I need to meet you at the courthouse at 8 a.m., you need to be first in line. Once the judge signs this, there's no going back. And he was so flustered. I'm like, well, what are you talking about? He said it doesn't say prison time. Oh, thank you, Lord. It says 840 hours of community service instead. He said, I think they sent the wrong plea deal that they wrote up a couple of them. And this is the one the DA said to sad that he's electronically signed. And he's like, I think they sent the wrong one. I'm a stake in your favor, finally. Finally. I totally, I gotta ask, this is Kim. Can I ask you a quick question, sir? I sense that there is far more to this story than in the very small amount of time we have left. Are you available for part two of this? Yes. Sure, that would be great. I'm assuming scheduled on a different day, because yes. Okay, I have no work right now. After that, I actually am a friend

55:57of my co-workers covering for me, well, I'm gonna be a little late to work. That's okay. We will send an email with dates like we did before and find another day. I mean, there aren't so many constitutional law breaking for lack of a better term going on here. People need to be held accountable. People need to be sued. But the problem is I can't find an attorney to take the case, because they don't want to find it in New York. Well, listen, here's our challenge for really over time, but you ought to take this podcast and send it to some lawyers who would be interested in hearing about this. But Joy and April, we did not get a chance to talk to you. How about on the next program we do that and do a little get to know you better at the time? Absolutely. No problem. Thank you, Julie. Thank you. Joy, April, wonderful, wonderful program, much needed information. Glisters are out of time. We must go make it an excellent day.