Beyond the headlines: Jobs, justice and public trust

0:00It's six eastern. It's three o'clock Pacific. This is a president of action. Coast to coast and around the world from the America out loud talk radio studios. If he says he's serious about something, he means it's time for the Truth Be Told with Booker Scott. There was a big jobs report released on Friday. It's great news for Americans. Maria Barteromo is out at Fox News and the Clancy trial is over finally. I'm Booker Scott. This is the Truth Be Told. Thank you so much for joining us tonight and every night, especially here on this Labor Day. I know there is a lot going on in your life with friends and family this weekend. So thank you for taking the time to listen live. If that's where you're listening. If you found us later on a podcast. Thank you so much for doing that. As always on a Monday, even on a Labor Day, Maplumbo is our guests. He's not going to be here the whole hour this this time. He does have an important dinner with the Albanian Prime Minister former Albanian Prime Minister. Maplumbo is here.

1:13I apologize. Yeah, we have a lot to cover, but you got summoned to New York by the former Prime Minister of Albania and I should tell everybody that Matt is the best selling author. He wrote Spygate along with Dan Bangeino. He wrote, Maplumbo, I'm the curtain about George Soros, the air about Alex Soros, fact checking the fact checkers. He's written 11 books and a new book that he has been working on now for what a year and a half to use. It's been a year and a half to use it like fully writing it, but it's been a concept for about four years or so. You've been finished with it for six months, but sort of a never ends truly never ends. This is the official autobiography of the former Prime Minister of Albania. What's his name? My whole desk is just everything related to this. But I met for so years ago. Actually, I think it was four and a half years ago. He was talking about me on TV once in his country. He liked my work about George Soros. He's had a history with George. It was not very pleasant in the early days when he was president back in the 90s.

2:15That's had a lot happened since then. But in the end, I got acquainted. I pitched the whole biography idea and we seriously started doing it about year and a half to years ago. It's been a good day since this first time in the US. I think at least five or six years. So, you know, very cool to see him on this side of the turf. I used to always be going out there. Right to Albania. You've been this year too. I think you get twice. It was just a couple of day trips. So that was a long trip to make. But when Matt leaves us here in this hour, we're going to be joined by Mike Turmont. If you don't know who he is, he was the vice presidential nominee for the Libertarian party in 2024. He had run four president. I had him on the radio show a couple of times. And I really enjoy conversations with him. He is going to talk about what he's doing now. And that is running for vice president in 2028 for the Republican party. He left the Republican party. I mean, the Libertarian party joined the Republican party and the national Republican Liberty caucus.

3:16So he has a whole idea about running for vice president and trying to get the delegation involved. And he will be in Texas for the RNC convention to try to sell this idea. He's going to try to sell it to us coming up here in about a half hour. But we've got a lot to talk about. And I think we should start writing. And we're hitting hold on to your seats, folks. Non-farm payrolls for the month of August up 162 K 162,000. That's basically three times what expectations are. Now here's the fly. Now he was going to go on and say the fly and the ointment was the fact that the average of the last two months was a negative number. And then he corrected himself. And I guess I should have continued to play that. The numbers revised from last month. Now make it about 55,000 jobs added last month. I think we covered the numbers last month when they were down. But we had we had the qualifier that there was 40,000 temporary jobs from the world cup that went away.

4:21There was also a decline in government employment that I believe was larger than the total decline in unemployment, meaning it was a it was the private sector shrink. The public sector shrinking, which is a good thing. The those jobs will eventually be regained in the private sector. And then be the world cup jobs going away, which was going to happen no matter what. So the fact that they were revised and it's now positive just goes to show how much better they are now as for this past month. One of the things too we noted was we are deporting, you know, let's just say a hundred thousand people a month. Maybe it's maybe a south of that. I think it's maybe 50 to 60,000 physical deportations plus self deportations. But I'll just be so let's just say a hundred thousand. So whenever you see the job numbers, you also have to factor that a lot of those illegals that are now leaving were employed and they are opening up jobs for the native war. So it's you know, you can really add a hundred thousand to all the job numbers you're seeing because there is an artificial drag on them that isn't being handed for.

5:28So that a lot of great things are happening in the economy when you look at the earnings on Wall Street that came out over the last couple of weeks, their record earnings. And that kind of adds to some frustration to people at the kitchen table, but it also indicates that there are great things coming in the economy in the future. If we can just hang on to be patient and continue to pay $4 gallon of gas until this Iranian thing is over and we're going to have a little bit about Iran. But good news there for the job support 162,000 added in August. I think they were expecting about 55,60,000. So yeah, three times almost. And we should say, you know, I totally understand someone who feels like they're kind of stuck in a rut and seeing corporate profits hit high and think to themselves, well, this is unfair because they're doing so much better while I'm kind of stuck or just moving along, but also consider the opposite. If you know, if corporations are doing terribly, well, your situation would probably then, you know, be worse than it is now. So you do have to view it in that in that light.

6:33And hourly wages are still a little bit behind inflation. And that's something that needs to be addressed and it will be the Clancy trial ended in a mistrial. At this point, I'm going to declare that the jury is deadlocked and I'm going to declare a mistrial. All right. I just wanted to make a comment. And I'm not going to let it make it mad because he talked about Winston Churchill. And I really couldn't understand exactly what he was talking about. And I don't think anybody watching to this watching this would would understand it. This judge, I don't think he handled this case right. The jury should have been sequestered in my correct. There's so much craziness here to deal with how it is. And you know, the thing too, we're like, the kind of people who support this woman, you, it's something you have to be insane to do. And if you're a juror, you do have to consider my address will probably get leaked at some point. I am going to get identified by chance.

7:35Somehow they're going to figure out who I am. I'm sure. In fact, there was a woman who got, I think arrested for trying to, yeah, she gets a bizarre name. That's 20 years possible. So that is something dangling among her head is like people who support a child murderer are going to be angry at me. What do those people? What would they do to someone if they're okay with a child murderer? So that is there. I mean, it also and some people were saying that, you know, the way Massachusetts laws are, they are liberal into the extent that they do help someone like Lindsey Clancy and that, you know, some of those jurors that were going to vote not guilty by insanity were. By insanity were following the instructions and it could be the case of the one guy who set put his foot down and said, no, technically speaking wasn't following with the law says the Massachusetts, but decided for himself. The law is insane. So I'm going to do jury notification and say, no, I'm going to do the right thing despite whatever crazy liberal laws you have here. That is, I'm not saying that's necessarily what happened, but it could have been in that.

8:37I just don't understand how else you got 11 people saying not guilty by insanity or it's at least implied that that's. I mean, we actually don't know for sure what the split was. It's just the defense was really angry at the one whole about which implies the other 11 were going to go his way. The jury makeup was nine women, three men and I've seen the same thing that it was one person that held this up and there is a hearing coming up September 29th. I believe to decide the schedule for another hearing if there is you think that maybe there won't be hearing and I'm not sure about that. Well, I guess I'm technically not sure either, but it's, you know, when it is 11 to 1, you are going in with knowing that the bias is going to be in favor of the defense assuming it's the same defense lawyer and assuming it's the same prosecution. As we were talking about this before the show as well, the prosecution didn't do that great of a job, which is just bizarre, given the circumstances of the case, but.

9:39It's not a great job though, defense. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, he's a horrible human being, but he just could at his job for sure. I see you have to be the most defensive turnies are. Oh, they're barely human, but there's phenomenal other job. But good ones are yes, but maybe she'll get over to plea deal or something like, you know, maybe a second like a manslaughter kind of thing or some lesser charge. But I mean, I think she's trying her and she's running around in society. You know, we had Jeffrey Dahmer out here. He was running around eating people. Yeah, everybody can say, okay, we know he's crazy, but he ended up in prison. Yeah, this lady is the same thing, but what is the difference? Why is she potentially going to be walking free when someone like Jeffrey Dahmer is was in prison until he got killed there. I have seen someone's I see Matt Walsh had quoted a study that women who plead insanity or insanity, please among women result in an acquittal at 50% more than among men. So I know it could just be a natural bias and favor of her. She's viewed as sympathetic more because she's a woman and she's supposedly struggling with mental health.

10:48But I will say like I just don't care about the mental health defense. I don't care about the insanity defense. I think if you're too insane to be in charge of your actions, you're too insane to be in public. It's so bizarre to me that, you know, I could. There could be a situation where I kill someone and then argue to a judge. No, you don't understand your honor. I'm completely insane. I have no self control and just the slightest thing sets me off and makes me guilty. When the judge goes, oh, okay, you're mentally ill. Cool. Go ahead and go ahead and society that it's just so bizarre. You think it would be an enhancement. Like if someone can't control their actions, I'm sorry that biology has betrayed you, but oh, well, it's not going to be at my expense. Yeah, and you're not going to be out here with us. Yeah, you're locked up and yeah, unfortunately, it happened again. You know, there was a lady arrested Friday for hanging her two-year-old son in a tree who, you know, was fully invested in this trial and was watching it. So who knows what the, you know, what people think and what it will make them do. But unfortunately, a two-year-old boy has been killed as a result of another woman that's doing exactly what she's already chronic claimant insanity thing of.

11:59Oh, I thought he was the devil and I had to kill him or something. I think there was actually a man who claimed that. And one of these like parallel cases people are bringing up and it did not work for him. But we'll see here. I mean, it's just because I don't see how it could be the case that you were radicalized or influenced by this trial. So then are blaming demons or whatever. It's just too, too coincidental that that would happen exactly as you're fixing it on this trial. I don't know. It's, let's move on to Maria Bartoromo. A lot of people watching this probably watch Fox Business and the other programs that Maria Bartoromo is on. She's one of my favorites. The way it's the way I was running every morning was with her and she was with Fox for 12 and a half years. She is no longer with Fox. And I think we're starting to piece together what this was and why it happened. And I say she's no longer with Fox. Fox is denying that. But the way that works in the broadcasting industry is they just keep paying you. That's what they did with Tucker Carlson. That's what they will do with her. That keeps her off the air from going anywhere else.

13:02So they didn't fire her. They just took her off the air, which they have the right to do. The guy you see there in the picture is the senior vice president of Fox. His last name is Jordan. And he made the decision and the decision that was made was when Donald Trump did the press conference about Chinese stealing all of our information and data and how it affected the elections. She was going to do a story on it. Her and her executive producer. This is what I'm understanding. The threat is well operated. Yeah. You're reading it also. Okay. She's denying it. But this is the means the dominant narrative I'm seeing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there is. Yeah. She was told not to do the story. And she wanted to do the story. She told the White House that she was told not to do it allegedly. We'll say that all of this is allegedly so that I don't have to keep saying. Yeah. She sent a message to the White House, which I would assume is probably not a good idea when you're under contract with Fox that you send internal conversations to the White House. That's what Fox is claiming.

14:03And I guess allegedly it's been brought out. And so that's what happened, I guess. And we'll see you. They, you know, both sides have attorneys. And you know, I put this post out on Friday, Matt Fox news. A lot of people are upset with them. Getting suck. Yeah. Getting rid of you won't be back on now. Oh, no. You used to be a regular. But you just, I don't know. I just. I. I'll. Well, I'll keep that for a couple of years. I'll keep it for off the air. But anyway, you know, if you go back to the 2020 election and they called the Arizona, raise at APM, who do you think benefits most from having Joe Biden, Gavin Newsome or Kamala Harris in the White House? Well, the opposition always does better in Fox news because they're ratings go through the roof because everybody's pissed off that what's happening in the White House, because the Democrats have it. So they're ratings go through the roof. They're, but their money, their revenue goes through the roof anytime the opposition is in power. So it's a good thing for them. So keep that in mind when you watch Fox. I'm not telling you not to, but just keep that in mind because that that is important.

15:09I have this observation the other day that like the left wing media is almost unintentionally right wing media if you're, if you're happy about the things that they're historical about, because if you go on x it's all these like people who are like I think they call it doom or is. where every post is like Trump's not deporting enough. He's duck doing enough. He sucks. He promised all this stuff. And then you go on like CNN and it's like the fourth rake is here and Trump is fewer. And I'm like, okay, so so if I want CNN, Trump's doing all these things I wanted to do is supporting everyone. I turn on right wing media. He's not deporting enough people. And I'm like, the left wing media is the most right wing media. If you agree with what they're complaining about. That's it for a long time, Matt, that somewhere between over there, CNN, MS now and Fox, you'll find the truth. It's somewhere in between both of the states. Let's go into some polls here. Trump polls. I saw CNN had a poll that Donald Trump's approval rating is a 37%.

16:12Not good right now. No, it's not good. That's as low as it has been since January 6 after January 6 with the quote, the introduction. Yeah, the case is just a couple hours of may fun. Anyway, there is good news. And here is some good news because if you pay attention to the polls, they can look bad, especially when it comes to generic balloting. However, here's one that shows something a little bit different. Doesn't matter. Yeah. And you know, I should clarify this is kind of an outlier among a lot of the polls, but it is a poll that generally leans left. I just thought it was worth highlighting. I don't want to set up unrealistic expectations or anything, but the polling error does tend to favor Democrats most in the summer. There's actually, I think we might have covered this last week, even. There was an analysis of 3,000 or so Senate polls. And on average, something like 70 plus percent overestimate in the Democrats favor.

17:15And it was an average bias at four points in favor of Democrats. But then they also showed the bias peaks in the summer that comes down near midterm. So this, you know, when I saw this, I thought, maybe that's just what's happening is the polling error is declining. But it could, listen, it could just be an outlier poll. And that most of the other polls I'm seeing are not saying this, Mark Mitchell, who used to run RISP, used to reports told me he sees Democrats having like an eight point lead in the generic ballot. So, so, so, you know, take this with a great of salt. But it is some good news. And I thought we should, you know, and a sea of, so, so, you know, not so great news should at least highlight it. Do you know Mark Halperin? Do you know who he is? Alfred Nuttham. Why don't who he is? But I don't know. Well, I mean, me too. But he was on news nation the other night. And he was talking about the many polls that are out there. And the Democrats think that they could, you know, flip 34, 35 congressional seats in the House of Representatives. And they also feel like they can do four or five senators, which would give them the power. That is a possibility.

18:16Everybody's got to go vote. But out of all of those things in this interactive poll that I liked, it's this. And this is what I tend to look at more than anything else. And that is momentum within the same poll. And you can see here from March to July, it changed two points. And then you, you see in August, it's changed four points in actuality. So, yeah. And you see that momentum changing and the important part is these are likely voters. So these are people that say they are going to go vote. And I think it's important to see momentum within the same poll. And that kind of gives you an idea better than just looking at poll numbers. And this is, that was a six points swing amidst the whole Iran situation, which is obviously not too popular. So it's a good news that has happened. I saw another, I saw another poll that was very positive for Donald Trump and the Republicans in general in handling Iran. That's good. That's two percent. That surprises me then. All right. Good. That's good news. More Truth Be Told With Booker Scott in Minutes on America Out Loud.

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21:21I'm happy to report that American patriotism flows freely once again. America out loud dot news is that place to awaken your heart, soul and mind to the out loud truth. We have a special guest in here now and he's a guy that's been on the radio show with me a couple of times over the last few years. He ran for the president of the United States for the Libertarian Party in 2024. He ended up being the VP nominee for the Libertarian Party. And along the way in the last couple of years, he left the Libertarian Party, joined the Republican Party, which he had been in the past. And he more importantly joined the Republican Liberty Caucus.

22:21And you may know Rand Paul is part of that. And also John Dennis is the national chair for that. And he has been on the radio program with me a couple of times every year when those Liberty scores come out. But that's the organization that Mike joined. His name is Mike Turmot. He is an economist. He has worked in the White House. He worked for the Bush quail 1992 campaign. He's been around politics for a long time, but he was also a policeman at one time. And I always enjoy our conversations. He usually makes me think and stretch a little bit. I know he has some issues. And I'll tell you, one of them was abortion. He kind of changed my thinking. He's a pro-lifer. He's a Christian pro-lifer, just like I am. He didn't change my stance on how I believe about abortion. Just believe in how we should go about getting people to change their hearts and minds. And the way sometime in the future, when we're all gone, the society then is going to look back now and say, what were those people thinking? There will be medical contributions and technology.

23:21We'll make a difference where abortion won't even be a thing that anybody talks about in 100, 200, 300 years. And that's what Mike put on my head on the last radio show. I think you are all maybe the first one. But anyway, Mike, I've talked enough. Welcome to the program. Glad to have you. Thank you so much. It's great, great to be with you again. And I must say in fairness and full disclosure, I think of you as someone that makes me think hard. Well, it's quite a compliment to hear that I made a contribution to your own stretch. Well, I think it's important for us to listen to one another and think in a different way sometimes. But you also have to be willing to listen to other people. And when you do that, you might find that there's a different way to think on a lot of different issues. And that's really why you're here tonight is to think about things in a different way. When it comes to electing a vice president of the United States. And Mike, I think it's important for us maybe to give a little bit of history on how we elect a president in America.

24:22I think most people know now that at least for the last 200 plus years, the president gets to the nomination and he picks whoever it is that he wants to run with him. And the delegates just go along with him and say, okay, here's the ticket. It's a, you know, so, but if you go back to the beginning of this country, it wasn't done that way. You know, the first couple of presidential elections, it was George Washington that won. John Adams came in second and back then, a lot of people don't know that the electors voted twice for president. They didn't vote for president. They didn't vote for, I mean, they didn't vote for a vice president. They voted for two presidents. And in the cases of the first two elections, George Washington was a blowout. So he easily won. John Adams easily came in second place. It was the next election that there came to be some problems. Let's talk a little bit about that just to give some context about where you're going with this. Sure. Sure. I appreciate that. And by the way, if you didn't come in the top two, that was a personal insult because everyone

25:24did vote twice, right? Yeah. And quickly became apparent that having a president, a vice president from two different parties, and we didn't have the party system when it was George Washington and John Adams, although it is famously true that they saw some important things, not eye to eye, right? And the party system immediately grew up around these guys, around the founding fathers. And it became apparent that it wasn't obviously an easy path. I'm not going to pass judgment on whether or not it was a good idea, but it was certainly not easy and comfortable to have a president for one party and a vice president for another party. And with the 12th amendment, we changed things around. Which was in 1804. Not a ticket representing parties. That's, you know, that's with with tweaks here and there. Some flavor, some version of that has been the way of it in the United States ever since.

26:28The problem that we see, the problem I see, the problem that my campaign sees, is that the way that we pick VP nominees, right? The nominee of the Republican party, the nominee of the Democratic party. Set aside the libertarian party. Lover Terri and party is the only one that has this right, right? They don't think I'm picking the vice president, Shilamani. Spike Cohen told me so. So it must be true. Look, I've had Spike on the radio show before. So okay, well, ask him. He'll tell you the libertarian party does a good job of picking vice presidential nominees, but the major parties, the major two big parties, do not, right? To your point, we have a primary process in each the Republican party, the Democratic party to choose the presidential nominee. And once the presidential nominee is chosen, it is by tradition, not necessarily even by rule. It is just by convention

27:33that each party defers to the presidential nominee. It allows the presidential nominee to express his or her in Hillary Clinton's case preference as to who should be the vice president's nominee to form a ticket with the presidential nominee. And then we go to the national convention and the conventioneers, right, the national delegates in 2028. They'll be in Houston, by the way, the national delegates vote because legally they are required to vote. The party is legally required to hold a vote among its delegates in order to select the vice presidential nominee. And what happens is the chairman of the convention goes to the podium, stands on the stage and says, all in favor of, and then names the one person that the presidential nominee selected, right? So

28:34whatever your favorite example might be, John McCain picks Sarah Palin, all in favor of Sarah Palin, I all opposed crickets. And to be fair, Booker, I don't even know what happens if you vote no. I think you probably fall through a hole in the floor of the convention hall, right? It is not acceptable to run against that vote, to vote against the preference of the presidential nominee in terms of who the VP nominee should be. And I think that this is a problem. And it's a problem for a couple of different reasons. Some, you know, your viewers may consider important. And some, your viewers may consider relatively unimportant. But some of the things that go wrong, first of all, it's not good for the party. It's not good for the Republican party. It's not good for the Democratic party either. I'm sure the Democrats aren't going to listen to my advice

29:34anymore than the Republicans are. That's for sure. But it's not good for party building in the sense that it's not good for fundraising or grassroots to have a certain proportion of your party feel that they have been ostracized, disenfranchised, right? No matter who you pick, no matter who you pick, you could pick the greatest candidate in your party. There's going to be a certain proportion of your delegates, a certain proportion of your party to think this is a dumb idea, right? And there is no mechanism by which to resolve that. So if you're of a mind that you don't think this is a good idea, you're just told eat it and shut up and go away. And that's no way to to resolve conflict much less run a political party. The other things that go wrong are arguably at least as important. One is that you don't always get the 18.

30:39I'm not going to name names, not going to name names, but I think we all have in mind a few examples, probably several examples, where the selection was made by a grand total of one person, sometimes there's a little bit of a process, but frequently there's for practical purposes, no process at all. We all have examples in our mind where the president and I mean, you just unilaterally pick someone and to put it gingerly, it would be difficult to make a strong case that that was the representative of the 18. Okay? Let me just put it that way. You don't always get the best candidate. And whether that's subjective or objective, I will leave it up to your viewers, but in many cases, I think that our parties have demonstrated you couldn't do much worse by making almost any change to the process. And we believe that a national public vetting

31:44perhaps a competitive process, but at the very least, at the very least, the people who are voting should give this some thought before they vote. In other words, what we're really advocating is for this to go from a one-step process to a two-step process. You've got a vote, we're suggesting you think and then vote rather than just merely vote. And if the delegates, if the people who are going to be national delegates at the convention, would signal in advance that their intention is to vote their conscience, their intention is to take matters into their own hands, they're going to think about it. They'll caucus, they'll weigh costs and benefits and they'll come up with someone. If they will signal in advance that this is going to be a more legitimate process than in the past, then we could avoid this becoming a source of contentiousness with the presidential nominee.

32:49What we would like to see is the presidential nominee pardon me, defer to the convention. And that hasn't happened for a long, long time. I want to go back to 1800 and that election and why in 1804 the 12th Amendment was ratified finally and what it did because you hit it on it just a little bit and I think there's a danger in what you're proposing that some of that could come back. And in that third election, you had who? John Adams and Thomas Jefferson was that the two and or was it Alexander Hamilton? Anyway, they didn't like it. They were Thomas Jefferson and John Adams. And they didn't like each other. One of them was a Federalist. The other was the Democratic Republican. So just imagine for a moment, if we still did this the way they did it prior to 1804 and the 12th Amendment, you could have ended up with Kamala Harris and Donald Trump president and vice president.

33:51Yes, you could. Yeah, it would be. And so now you look at either one of the parties in the Democrat party right now, we have the Democrat socialist of America. And then you have, I guess there's still some blue dog Democrats. There's somewhere moderate Democrats. I don't know where they are. Yeah, they're hard to find. I think they're all in the same bug at this point. But I think they're there. And I think some would would come and try to run. And maybe they find a centrist to run for president in 28. The governor of Kentucky comes to mind Andy Beshear. It seems like he's trying on the fringes to get out there, but it's not going anywhere because the Democrat party is continuing to go to the left. But let's assume for a minute that it let's take the Democrats. Andy Beshear is there. And then you have a Democrat socialist of America being the vice president. How do they work together? And in the case of the Republicans, we have many different factions. You know, you have the Liberty caucus that you're a part of. But you know, there are people that are all over the place

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37:00have now presidential nominees pretty much pick people who are unlike them, not people who are like them. Remember that the typical format is that presidential nominees pick someone who is either ideologically different, on demographically different, or geographically different. Right? The most famous case, of course, I shouldn't say of course, one of the most famous cases was John Kennedy picking Lyndon Johnson. John Kennedy's brother couldn't even be in the same room with the guy. And this was because they were so ideologically different. They were also demographically different, stylistically different. I think they're different, which is the reason he was chosen. And what you're saying is that Kennedy needed Texas as an example. Kennedy felt like he needed Texas and brought Johnson in to do that. Regardless of ideology. So your argument

38:04is we're doing that already within the party to pick up. I wouldn't even characterize as an argument. It's just an observation that seven times out of ten, these people pick someone who is different from they are as opposed to someone with whom they anticipate working well. In most cases, the vice president doesn't really do anything important. Nobody would argue that Joe Biden picked Kamala Harris because of what they had in common. Right? They knorted Barack Obama picked Joe Biden because of everything that they had in common. They're both kind of brain dead. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden both are kind of brain dead. Well, they had a good point. They did have some important things in common. And it is true that the White House wanted Harris to play a role in certain aspects of, I don't know if I'm called governance, but aspects of at least public relations. And a couple of things turned out to be true. Number one, she was resistant to those. And she wasn't very good at those.

39:08And that created all kinds of awkward situations. I don't think there is any reason to believe that if you let the delegates choose, rather than the presidential nominee choose, that you're more likely to get someone more different. As a matter of fact, it may be the case that you're more likely to get someone more similar. If it's the case that the delegates think more about who they want, rather than strategy. And maybe they would be more strategic. Or maybe at some conventions, they'd be more strategic. And at other conventions, they'd be less strategic. But I don't think it would be easy to argue that the delegates would be worse at this. Given many of the choices that have been made by both parties, it's a little bit easier to pick on the Democrats. But I think that we have had our weaker links in the Republican party as well. The other thing that I think is worth mentioning is that it is not obvious to me that it is a good

40:17thing for the President and Vice President to be in lockstep. I think the most important benefit that could come out of a more democratic process for choosing the VP nominee is that subsequently, when one of these two people, either the VP nominee of the Republican party or of the Democratic party, when one of these post-general election becomes the Vice President, the way that it typically works is that they immediately become mini-me, right? They fall in line with the President, no matter what the President says. And I think that that's a problem. And I think that it's in irony as well. It's an irony in the sense that the VP is the one person in the executive branch who can't be fired by the President. The one person whom you would expect to have his own political base, the only other elected

41:18official, it's the one person that you would expect to be able to express a little bit of independence. And the founding fathers did not assume that that would be a bad thing. They didn't go out of their way in the early days to make sure that these people got along with each other because it just wasn't one of their objectives. And I don't think there's any real powerful argument to suggest that we'd be better off if we just continued on with someone reporting to the other one when they're both elected officials, particularly in this day and age in which the executive branch has gained so much power relative to the other branches. And even more power than that due to the unified executive theory, which most folks believe in now, which is to suggest that the President

42:21in the United States rules every inch of the executive branch in total detail in all situations without any check within the executive branch itself. And I'm not suggesting that the VP become a pain in the President's butt. That's not what this is about. They would be from the same party. They would be chosen in more similar fashions than they are now. Right now, you have one selected by a primary and one selected by one person. What I'm suggesting is one continued to be chosen by the primary, the other be chose in a more democratic, more legitimate, the deliants. Well, we have the RNC coming up, which is really weird. We don't have those in a midterm, but it's coming up after Labor Day in Texas. You are going to that to try to sell this idea to some of these delegates that would need to come along and vote for that. What's your pitch to them?

43:25Going to be is it what we just heard? Is it something similar to that? And then how do you get this off the ground? Because right now, I guess you would win the vice presidential nominee. Nobody else is running for vice president. I think you're the only one. I suppose that's true, but the delegates can pick whoever they want and I wish they would. They already have the power and the authority that is need to ask for it. The big pitch. Well, how does that process going to work though? Yeah. I mean, you literally could have a thousand people that people talk about being a vice president. How do you whittle that down? Is it like they do an Iowa caucus with, you know, there is a process. Yeah, there is an existing process in the Republican party. It's known as Rule 40, which is to say five states have to ask for a floor vote. If five states ask for the chance to vote for someone, they'll be given a chance for that person to be put forward in front of the entire convention and included in a in a in a floor vote. As a practical matter,

44:33you asked about the pitch. The pitch is yes. Much of what you and I just discussed. But it is also recognizing that the national delegates already have the power and the authority to do this. And they should be empowered to take advantage of that authority to express themselves. You know, these people are by and large smart. They are elected representatives or in some cases, otherwise selected representatives of their Republican parties from their home states. They are people who presumably have been around the party for a while and are good at the sort of thing, thinking through not only strategy, but who would be good for the future of the party. And these are people who, in my view, should be empowered. Most of the delegates that I have spoken to, especially at the state level, I've been to the Indiana State Convention, I've been at the Texas State Convention. Most of the delegates to whom I have spoken love this idea. In Texas, I would

45:39go so far as to say they all did. I didn't get pushback boo from a single state delegate. The reason they like that, of course, is they're the ones being empowered. Right? I think the people who are going to stand in their way are going to be the elected officials, the state leaders. That just came to my head is, you know, most of the time to run for president, I think in some ways, if you get to that point in a political career, you have a pretty good ego. And that ego is going to want to pick the person they want for the vice president with the help of the people around them choosing it instead of the delegates. And the president, the nominee for the president is going to be the one to say, okay, I'll let this fly or not. Isn't that right? I mean, it's got, he has to give up that authority and that power to allow this to happen. It certainly would help. It's not critical, but it was certainly be my preference if he or she would

46:43yield to defer to the convention. The last time that happened was 1956. That's a long time ago, 1956, the Democratic presidential nominee deferred to the convention. And interestingly, the convention nearly picked John Kennedy, which it did not. Kennedy obviously goes on to become president. It states four years later. But it was a fascinating convention. I'm told no youngsters, I'm not old enough to remember the 1956 convention. Norma. And but no endowed that about you, you know, I'm told that it was fascinating. It would be extraordinary TV these days, wouldn't it? Sure. And so there are interests other than ego at stake. I agree with you that a presidential nominee surely is going to have sufficient ego to want to pick his own or her own presidential nominee.

47:43You know, he's going to have the political powers well within the apparatus and establishment of the Republican or Democrat party. In no small part. However, the other considerations, besides just having a fun and interesting convention and having a little legitimate process that gives you a first mover advantage competitively against the Democratic party, both of those are important. But in addition to that, you don't want a situation which you pick someone and then the convention isn't having it, right? That's to be avoided at all cost. Much better to just defer to the convention rather than have a contentious convention after you have expressed an interest. And that brings me to one of your implied questions, which is, you know, how do you get the idea off the ground? Sure. Over the next two, over the next 24, I should say, say 20 months.

48:46That's 20 months. You better do it in 18. Yeah. I will be introducing the delegates to this idea, right? Now, for the most part, the reaction has been and I believe will continue to be, that sure sounds terrific. But, you know, whether there's an opportunity for that to happen, you know, maybe not so likely, right? Okay. Fine. The goal is to make sure the delegates understand that they have the power and the authority to ask for a floor vote in that Houston convention in the summer of 2028. And for them to understand that, when the time comes, because in the spring of 2028, the time will come. Yeah. And I believe that it will come in the form of at least one state delegation. Remember that they vote by states, not by individuals,

49:47when asking for a floor vote at the convention. I believe that there will be at least one example of a state that is not 100% sure that they like the idea of going along with the old way of doing things. And that can be for a number of reasons. It could be that they're not happy about how the platform has gone. It could be they're not happy about who the presidential nominee is. It could be they're not happy about who the presidential nominee is rumored to likely select. Imagine floor to not being happy if they don't get Marco Rubio as VP, right? In the state and county would explode if they thought that Marco Rubio was going to become the VP and then they learned all the sudden that the rug was being pulled out from under them and they're not going to get Marco Rubio. There are plenty of imaginary stories that you can come up with that illustrate why one state

50:49might be grumpy in the spring of 2028. Okay. All you need is one state to start a rumor, not intentionally, just someone says to a reporter, even off the record. Yeah, it's not clear that we're going to defer to the presidential nominee this time. We might ask for a floor vote. We have some very specific thoughts on who the VP nominee is. That's all you need to say. And you only need to say it once. You only need to say it off the record and you only need it to be said to one reporter. And all of a sudden you've got a conversation you didn't have before because none of the other state delegations want to be in the extremely awkward situation of being left behind when one state is taking the lead. If one state rumors that it's considering doing things differently doesn't have to commit to it, doesn't have to go on the record. Every other state delegation is

51:54going to be asked, are you going to defer to the presidential nominee no matter what he says? And that's a very difficult thing to which to say yes. In advance, when you're the representative of a whole bunch of delegates, you know, what if you're in California and you represent hundreds of delegates? Are you going to ask them in advance before answering that question? Are you going to answer that question without asking them? The process of asking them would ignite a fire storm of conversation around the Republican Party across the nation. And that's all we're looking for is for delegates to know that they have the authority and to lean into the power they already have. Mike Turmont is running for vice president of the United States. You don't hear that very often. It's been a while hasn't it? Yeah, you never hear without any more at least in my time.

52:56Maybe in yours, I'm not sure, but it's been a long time and Mike, it's always good to have you. I really do appreciate it. We've come to the end of our hour. You will be in Texas at the R&C this coming week after Labor Day. And I wish you luck to spread this word and let the delegates in Texas for the R&C know that this is a possibility. And I think just having the conversation get things going in the right direction. In that sense, I'm really grateful, Booker, I'm really grateful for the time that we spent together. If anyone listening and watching is going to be a delegate there, reach out to me. We have a free breakfast on Thursday morning sponsored by the Republican Liberty Caucus of Texas, a great organization of which you all should be members. Yeah, they have what they never say. Yeah, yeah, thank you, Mike. Thank you for coming on the program. I really do appreciate it. Next time you come on, Matt will be here. He won't be having dinner with the Albanian former prime minister. We may have to meet him in Albania. He's been a few times over the last couple of years, but Mike, thank you, as always, I really

53:59do appreciate our time together. I really do. Thank you. A big thank you to Mike, Termott, as always, for coming on this radio program. I appreciate him. I appreciate the fact that Mike thinks outside the box there. I know he has his hands full in trying to get the delegation of the Republican party to change the way that they do vote for vice president. I don't think that it's necessarily a bad idea. I just think he's going to have his hands full, but I wish him luck at the RNC this week in Texas, which is going to be interesting. I think as we look at that this week, the attendance is not supposed to be great. The RNC or the event coordinator is now opening it up and giving tickets away to those that would be positive to the Republican message. So that is coming up this week. We will watch for that. Also, something we can talk about real quick before we end this hour. You had Steve Whitkopf and Jared Kirchner making a trip to both Russia over the weekend. And then they are going to speak to Zalinsky as well as they try to put together

55:06some sort of peace process for that war that has been going on for almost five years. In February, it'll be five years already longer than World War One that conflict between Ukraine and Russia. People are still dying every day over there. Donald Trump now is stepping in trying to get them to fight, quit fighting actually. And maybe we should quit fighting in Iran before we start going over and telling Ukraine and Russia to stop fighting. And we'll keep our eye on Iran this week and what happens there. In a lot of ways and some back channels that I'm hearing, the people of Iran are starting to fight back. And the upper echelon of that regime is maybe showing some cracks right now. So we'll keep an eye on Iran. And I know the economy is terrible in Iran right now. And how long will those people in Iran be able to put up with it with inflation at 200% and unemployment and all the things that they are dealing with as Donald Trump and America continue to try to really

56:11choke out the Iranian regime and hopefully have a replacement or maybe just someone they can work with and work with all the Arab nations and Israel in the Middle East to keep some peace for a while so that we can stay out of there. And then maybe we can stay out of the Ukraine, Russia, things and we can bring it back to America first. America first, that's where we should be. I'm Booker Scott. Thank you for listening tonight and every night. And don't forget that you were told 2,000 years ago that you are the salt of the earth and salt without flavor. It has no value. So whatever you do, keep being salty. Have a great night. There is only one truth. You've been listening to The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott on America Out Loud.