Better Late Late than never - Ryan Tubridy

0:00The Mario Rose stock podcast. Thanks to home. Finance made easy when you shop tech, electrical, appliances, kitchens, and much more. Flexible Europe limited trading is home is regulated by the central bank of Ireland. Coming up on this episode of the Mario Rosenstock podcast. I used to always love when you came on the late late show because I think you made me laugh more than anyone else that came through the door over the years. Because you know when your interlock at her on a show is genuinely laughing. Yeah, genuinely. Or is laughing out of politeness and professionalism. But with you, it was the former. And you knew that because sometimes you'd go completely off piece because you knew that you were on a roll. And I was losing my reason. And you were, you realized now we were the bowl boys at the back of the class. The audience were kind of the teacher saying, all right, boys, enough, but you couldn't let it go because you knew you had me. So full disclosure, Ryan Toberty and I go back quite a long way.

1:09I appeared as a guest multiple times on the late late show. And I had enormous fun doing it. He clearly seemed to enjoy it as well. And I have to say that for a comedian, he is a great interviewer because he was able to openly enjoy himself and laugh out loud. In the 20 or so years that I've known him, I've always found him to be a fundamentally decent person all school, sound, polite, and loyal. I haven't seen him for ages. But like you, I've been keeping an eye on what he's been doing. And I had loads of questions for him, including some elephants in some rooms. So I was absolutely delighted that after a little gentle persuasion, I finally managed to get him onto this podcast. And would you believe this very podcast was launched on the late late show on St. Patrick's Day five years ago? As you might expect, there was obviously one subject we had to talk about. And Ryan speaks very candidly and openly about it. We get properly stuck into the RTE controversy, the extraordinary media storm that followed, what he thinks he could have done differently, and just how difficult that period became for him personally. But there's a lot more to this conversation than that.

2:10We talk about why he really left the late late show, whether he misses it. What he thinks its role should be now, his new life in London, therapy, the changing world of broadcasting, and where he wants to go next. And because we've known each other for years, there's plenty of messin' around too. Old late late memories, gay burn, Russell Crowe, Michael Flaffey, Peter Brandy, and Ynor-Ghanna. And lots, lots more. I do not think that to some people it sounds unbelievable. Yeah, I do, but they're wrong. Right. I looked in the mirror and I said, I think I'm done here. Really? Yeah. And then I went out and meeting with my agent. We sat in his office and I said, I don't have another season in me. Did they say you're mad? They said you're mad, yeah. I've never sat in the audience for the roads of Trilis. Yes. I've never seen it. The interval act was River Dance, and it was the famous, d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d. And as soon as the head started doing the pointing, all I saw was you. All I saw was you as flatly. When they say they don't agree with it, all right? What do you think they're saying? Well, I think they're saying that I should have been

3:10a little louder in my objections to the way things were done. I agree. And there's truth in that too. But they had a Byzantine way of doing business. They did. And I probably should have shouted louder about that. Your brand new corner is really good. So when you were coming on the show, would you like to talk about your mental health problems, Ryan? We know he took therapy. Did you get really, really bad? Like, was there something on the night about you? Like, I remember Michael Howard and Wendy Kamae. And this is a Pond Simon song you picked as well. Is it? Hello, Doc. It's my old friend. OK, very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very good. And because I suppose a lot of our discussion concerns the late late show, I wanted to play you a little sketch I did some while ago about how RTE executives are planning or had planned or were planning to modernize the late late show. What would they do to make the late late show work? This was from my sketch on the Ian Dempsey Breakfast Show in April. RTE brainstorming, meeting April 20, 26,

4:12present myself Fiona McDada Opharter. And where is the McAnise, sir? Right, the late late show, Maurish. It's not working. No, it needs modernizing. Did you see it the other night for God's sake? Jesus, no, I haven't seen it in years. Why, what happened? Well, no, I didn't see it either. I wasn't watching it. You see, there's the problem right there, Maurish. What's the problem, Fiona? Nobody's watching it. Jesus, fair play. That's a good observation now, I tell you. Did the chat show has changed, doesn't it? The whole interview format situation is gone now. It's all about clips and clicks and memes. What are memes? Memes, they're there, they're there, that yolk that go viral kind of thing. What do you mean viral? Like a man James Corden, you know, that carpool karaoke. Oh, yeah, that's a noting now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right down, right down. That's what the late late show needs now, Maurish. Oh, there should be doing clicks and memes. What else? Have you heard of this thing? Hot ones. Hot ones, come on, one. Yeah, they get a celebrity, right? And they don't want to want to interview it all. They talk about Shaggyle. They just get the celebrity, they eat the hot sauce. What's the point of that? There's no point, but the young people love it. There's young people, write it down, write it down. What else, what else? Well, what are the kids want?

5:12Have you heard of this thing, looks maxing it out, Fiona? No, what's that? It's like a, when men are maximizing their appearance sort of thing, you know what I'm doing steroids said. Harmon's plastic surgery. What's the fella called? What's the same? Klavoik. There's a clicks in it, isn't it? All the kids? Yeah, just clicks and memes. Memes, yeah, what else? What else? What else? People don't want to hear the same old anecdotes from the same celebrities 20 different times on the go. No, what do they want? Right. Fight. That's what they want. Right. Far left. UFC, KFC, fighting, banging, shouting, rage, and clicks. Tonza clicks. And memes, great. Send them into it. I want this all sent over to the late late show. I want it on TV on Friday night. I'm Colin Keity now. Welcome back to the late late show. We have a great show for you tonight. Would you welcome, please, first of all, Marty Morrissey on Francis Brennan. Are you, Marty? How you doing? I'm primed for the new GAA season. Are you, Francis? How are you Patrick? I can't wait to talk to you about Don Storston. Well, forget about Don's and the GAA, because have you tried a hot sauce lunch? No, Patrick. No, no, Patrick. It's Super Mark's new ring of fire.

6:12Wow. Francis, you first. Get that idea. Sorry, why don't you mention it too? Just swallow the sauce, you too, Marty. Or are you doing? Get it, dear. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, Jesus, no. Oh, that's hot. Oh, my gosh. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. It's pretty hot. There you go. Marty's on the floor. Call a doctor for Marty, OK. Patrick, did you get a giant? And Francis thinks he might be dying, but that's OK. It's all up on TikTok, folks. Everyone's talking about the fun protests. T-Shick, me, Hol Martin is here, but not in studio to talk about an interview. And answer any questions. We went out earlier today in a car. Looking for fuel. We call it car fuel, OK. Well, me, Hol. Patrick, we've been driving around, Dublin, though, in a car. Looking for fuel. Oh, yeah. It's singing the few songs as well, you know. Go for it. Do you know this one on the radio? Of course I do. I don't want to talk down under the door. I don't want to be a home, like I do. I just don't. I can be bad or be bad or be bad or be bad.

7:14Here's a few stations now. How are you? I'm fine, fuel going to the office. Hello, go for it. Hello. It's a good one. Good luck. Better, be better. That's car fuel, okay, folks. OK, join us often to break. Where Daniel O'Donnell will be telling us about his looks, maxing journey. Have his own, of course, the steroids to get an eight pack and how he's broken his own jaw to try and realign it. And join us for Tommy Ternan and Michael Harding live in studio where they'll be beating the shade out of each other. I'm doing the break. We're running out of fuel. Rapidly, may all pull over into the four cotton blanchors tone. OK, do you know this one at all? Of course I do. Baby, where the hell is my diesel? Where the hell is my diesel? Where the hell is my fuel gone? Where the hell is my fuel gone? And that's get first aired in April 2026 on the Ian Dempsey Breakfast Show. And actually, it's because the late late show is starting up in a couple of weeks. It's very pertinent for not only today's podcast

8:15but for this month. And before we get into the show, first of all, if you want to contact me, you can. MarioRosenstock.gmail.com. Contact me about anything new guests that I should have on. New comedy characters I could be doing, sketches you would like me to do. Anything at all. Give me a blast. And of course, the reason we are here and the reason we are free to you is because we have a fantastic partner. A quick word of thanks to home, proud sponsors of the MarioRosenstock podcast. Home is all about giving you a bit more flexibility when you're buying the things you need or the things you simply want. Their flexible payment solutions lets you spread the cost of your purchases into smaller, manageable payments, rather than having to pay everything in one go. They've got over 30 years of experience, folks globally. And they work with a huge range of retailers here in Ireland. Helping customers make everything from those bigger, once in a while purchases to the smaller things that make life. That little bit nicer. And of course, as I said, they're helping us too. Home support means we can keep bringing you the MarioRosenstock podcast. For free, no premium to be paid with the interviews, the characters and comedy every week. And if you like what you hear,

9:15please just tell one other person about this podcast. That's all I like. That's all I ask. So a big thank you to Home for supporting the show. We're delighted to have them on board. Well, let's not keep Ryan Toberty waiting any longer. It was a long time coming. I hadn't seen him since, oh, since the scandal broke in 2023. But we finally got him into the studio chair and it was most definitely worth it. Enjoy the interview. Wow, welcome. Thanks, Mario. He landed the whale. The whale was evasive and you are a hub. And I was not avoiding the spears or the harpoons. It was just waters were peculiar. And eventually I got whacked in the back with one. And I said, great Mario, I used to always love when you came on the late, late show. Because I think you made me laugh more than anyone else that came through the door over the years as you know. Because you know, sorry, to mind if I jump in here. You know when your interlock at her on a show is genuinely laughing. Yeah. Or is laughing out of politeness and professionalism.

10:17But with you, it was the former. And you knew that because sometimes you'd go completely off piece because you knew that you were on a roll. And I was losing my reason. And you were, you realized now we were the bowl boys at the back of the class. Yeah. The audience were kind of the teacher. Yeah. I was saying, all right boys enough, but you couldn't let it go because you knew you had me. I thoroughly enjoyed it. All of those performances and Ryan would always meet you before the show beforehand. And kind of just get a look in your eye and look at the whites and your eyes and go, I hope for this and we'd see if we're up for the mischief. And it always used to calm me down. And I remember looking back at, you know, when I was growing up, I was watching Gay Burn and I remember going, God, he is a perfect audience to be interviewed by. Because he had that thing when comedians were on, he was brilliant for comedians. He had that fantastic thing of that wonderful wholesome laugh that he used to do. He was engaged with the comedian. Yes. And in fairness, you did that as well. Well, you have to even went further. You actually entered into the complete madness of the whole thing. Yes. You have to be a straight man interviewing a comedian

11:18and just let them off. You know, you have to be the Dean Martin to their Jerry Lewis and never try to compete because that's not your job. Yeah. You have to facilitate the comic and the comedy. And I love that because I always loved comedians. So many highlights from my own last 20 years from the late late show. People come up to me all the time and say it. But first of all, just a couple of minuses. Blondered, my wife says hello. She says her love. You know, I bump into her maybe in super value. Yeah. Or, you know, along the street or whatever. She's one of the golden people. Yeah. She's got the kindness eyes. Yeah. She has. I've always felt that. My daughter describes somebody as having, he's got kindness. Ever since then, I see them. They're one in 10, maybe one in 50, but she's one. She's kind. And he in Dempsey says, you know, this is all coming back to your eye. I'm saying I know. Yeah. You know, do you know what I still laugh about? Is the exchange you had with Ian? Whoever always loved him is an empty. I know you have. That is wife. And you love Tony Fenton as well. Oh, we can go into all of that now if you like,

12:19but with Ian and yourself, it was you were talking about the there. Yeah. Do you remember that? I do. It was a birdie talking about the band. It was the birdie. The day. It was just that. Ian lost his reason too at that. Ian had this thing called Fahrenheit. It's where an air conditioner can give you a bad voice, but it can make you sound as if you've been on the tear for two days. So Ian sounded particularly rough on the radio for no particular reason. He was down there somewhere. Yeah, yeah. And Friday, it was Friday. We were all going after the weekend and happy. And we top of the pops had had their 30th, it was ending. And Ian said, well, let's do party on top of the pops or something. I went, okay, I'll just do a couple of notes on that. And Ian asked a question to Bertie and he said, Bertie, what do you think about top of the pops or whatever? I mean, what would be your favorite band? And like a typical Bertie, a hard question. How would he answer that? He'd never pick a favorite. He'd go, well, well, there were a lot of great bands. They were approximately 10,000 bands on top of the pops. And Ian went, well, name one. Well, name one artist. We were off script here. Name one artist.

13:19And I said, well, what Kim Wilde for starters was, and he dispersed that laughing like, why did I pick Kim Wilde? And he went, forget about singers. What about bands? I just this came into my mind. What is the one band that would be a nightmare for Bertie for an aunt? And I went, well, well, I always enjoyed, did, did, did, and he didn't hear it at the beginning. And he went, what? I went, did, did, and then he lost it. I lost it. I he lost it. I lost it. And the listeners lost it because they knew it was real. It was real because when it's fake, people know. That's okay. Let's talk about that for a second, because Ian Dempsey was just what we were talking about at the start of our chat. He's a great straight man for you, because he's us. Yeah. That's what makes him so popular, and that's why he's been there for so long. And because he knows how to do that, in a very effortless way. When you say effortless in this business, it's actually effortful, but you don't see it. That's the nice thing about it. So that's that. But authenticity is the answer to everything. So when people were listening to you guys letting loose and kind of

14:23losing your train of thought and actually going off script and so on, then it's dangerous. I mean, it doesn't love a bit of danger. So that's the fun stuff. And people know that you're laughing at. And that's great. Yeah. And we never we would never do it unless it's real. So it's only happened about three times over the last 20, eight years. That's you what? That we've corpseed. That we've corpseed. I love a good corpse. You know, three times it's happened. Two times it's happened. I brought a mic when he first when I first did Michael flatly on the radio for him. You know how I feel about it. And he knew that I had this Michael flatly in the cat in the kind of the in my pocket. But he didn't know all the stuff about the Blarney I was going to say. Blarney is gold. And he started laughing as soon as I did it. But I had about another page of it left. Yeah. Which meant he knew he'd have to go through all of this. So I was talking about how how I had two dogs and everything. Our moya had two dogs called fiacn and falken and our I had two dogs called moya or something. And she was a bitch and all this sort of stuff. And he lost it and everything. And yeah, you're getting into the politics exactly. But that's all great. So yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was mad. But when you did,

15:28so I was at the Rosatrily last week for a time in 20s. Yes. And the interval act. I've never sat in the audience for the Rosatrily. So I've never seen it. Yes. You know, weirdly. Yeah. So I was watching it on fold. And I was so, because I presented it for two years in 03 and I know. Or and I was watching it. And anyway, the interval act was River Dance. And it was the famous diddle diddle diddle did thing. The big act. The the the Eurovision moment that changed the pop cultural landscape and arguably. And as soon as the head started doing the pointing, all I saw was you. Yeah. All I saw was you as flatly the point because you came on the show one night and you were in full regalia. Yeah. And as soon you'd appointed, I don't know what he's pointing at. Yeah. Or to whom. And either to see. Oh, why? But what? And either to see. And you're pointing there. And then you point that way. And I thought, you are, Mario is so embodying this. Exactly. In character that Mario Rosatrily is at home. And he's brought, you know, flatly with the point

16:31zero with him and taken out of a bag like Jim Henson would produce Kermit. You know, that's you're kind of that. That's the real. Yeah. But come here. Do you know what you say that flatly coming onto the show because I did flatly on your show in 2021, right? And it was the COVID one of the COVID shows where we had no audience, right? Yeah. And I danced on as flatly. And that was the night with March 17th that you, in a sense, launched our podcast. Was that the night podcast? This podcast that you're sitting on the first night. First day of the podcast was that day. And now it's five years later. And here you are round circle round circle. Well, landed. Well, landed. Thank you for having me on your show. And it's going to so well. I mean, this is it's good. It's fantastic. Right. And as you know, the world, the world of broadcasting has changed. Nobody knows better than you. But what I'm saying is I suppose in so many ways, the world of broadcasting has changed that you could be sitting here doing a podcast. I remember when I was doing a podcast years ago, there was so low key and so low, and so under the radar, everybody was doing a podcast. Anybody who did a podcast, it would go to number one in Ireland for the first

17:33week. Everyone, everyone went to number one. And then you go, I'm number one in the podcast. Then the next week, where are you? Number 148. And everybody and somebody else was number one. Then you sort of discovered there was no money in podcasting. And then you go, but I love it. So I'm going to do it anyway. It's a different site to yourself. Ever of love. And yeah, you're developing. And then finally in the last two years, it's certainly there is money in podcasts and people's the, the, the, the, the, the brands and all these people are circling. And then they're jumping in. So that world has changed. And it's, it's changed the extent that like, this is in a way, and you're part of this world. This is the new world now. It's, it, it, well, I think, what I think about a lot is what, what's going to happen to radio and TV as we know, as we grew up with it, because they're under serious threat. Terrestrial television is in trouble. Big time. Dare I say it, terrestrial radio. It's not in trouble, but steady as you go. And you need to start, you know, watch the liveness of radio. It's going to help. There's no data about it, but you have to, it's a protected species nearly. And you need to be tread and carefully

18:38watch. You have to think television is in trouble. TV is, is definitely, and it was when I was there. I'm not saying that as a sort of, oh, look at what's happening now. It was always, no, you're not, you're not to get, well, now that I'm not someone that's not the same as the world. That is the most lazy intellectually, you know, just to be good. It used to be going, I was like, it's not in the slightest. It was, it was going this way because of technology and the way that I was asking so many, I say, what radio do you listen to? You go radio. I say, I don't listen to podcasts. That's times. Yeah. So, and this was somebody who would have been a radio head once upon a time. You are a radio head. I mean, that's, I just have a couple of things. I mean, I, yeah, I go back with you from the very beginning. I mean, you did, you know, you, you, you did a show called Morning, wasn't it Morning Glory? It was a radio show, come morning glory. And then we did all kinds of everything. Yeah. So you did a morning show called Radio, or Morning Glory, yeah, which was kind of your big start and radio and RTE. And then I remember you did a TV show called All Kinds of Everything. And I was drafted into do a little comedy bit just to explain. That was my first taste to TV program. And it was a guy called John O'Regan who was responsible for real- Total legend, complete legend, lovely man. And he had said, so we do this quiz. And part of it was

19:44where you'd have the face of somebody famous and the mouth moved. Yes. And you were the max doing the voice. It was like a little American television precisely. We borrowed from it. Pony and with all of you doing it. Yeah. And the mouth would be doing things. And that was a great old quiz. Yeah. Yeah. Smart. And, and, and somebody had come into the quiz. And one of the producers and said, it's all me talking to the audience and said, okay, you should be doing something else. And nobody's nice. Well, it actually was Rosatri Leigh. Rosatri Leigh. Yeah. Two years, which I did. And then they saw me doing that. And they said, actually, you should be doing Chacho. Yeah. And I'm talking about somebody's nice. And Tobody's, and Tobody's, tonight is, um, let's kind of do the test in time because that had a kind of a vibe on us. It did. Yeah. It had a kind of a rat-packy late night. It did. It had a mischievous vibe. Yeah. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was, you could see that the people who were on Tobody tonight were definitely going out afterwards. There's definitely a sense that this was, this was the, the show where, you know, we were just short of having the, the whiskey and ash trays on the set. Yes. It was out of the fifties. Yes. And the look of it and the live band, which I always wanted to go back to our quartet. Yes. The brass, the sass. Yes. You know, it did feel like

20:49a nightclub, with some guests. And I really, really enjoyed, in fact, we all enjoyed that. And it was a bit, not, subversive, subversive, I should say, is too much. It wasn't that. It was on our tea for God's sake. It couldn't be a cheeky. But it was a bit cheeky. Yeah. And, and it held it down. Yeah. And it, and it would have survived longer. It had, I not been offered the late late show. And I, I do in some ways regret not having stayed on a bit longer. But I, I felt, this is an opportunity. I couldn't let go when someone offers you to present the late late show. You can't not take it. But I do in hindsight wish I had spent a little more longer in the nightclub of, at Tobody tonight and held my horses and matured a bit as a broadcaster and then got into the late legion. And you were so right about the producer of that John O'Regan because there was actually fun enough an article about John last week in the paper. Yes. And it was the guy who could have been or should have been the DG. What did they say? Yeah, picture a John and he'd be mortified because he's so private. Yeah, he is. And it's the guy who could have been should have been the next DG. Yeah, the sense in that. Oh, there is. Because not only did he do reeling in the years, but John used to control the entire political election,

21:51election 20, election 2020. John would be controlling the entire thing from the long for constituencies to water for to this Miriam in the studio. Cool head. He's so cool. Yeah, a very good, huge time for him and just a good person. I think he's gone now, but I'm sure I wish him well anyway. When we say gone, we don't mean it in the good fellow's way. Oh, you know, he's gone. What can I say? He's gone. Oh, Mario, we don't have a way about John anymore. He's gone. He's gone. What do you mean he's gone? He's gone. There was nothing we could do. There ain't nothing we could do. He's gone. And we mentioned the late late there, right? So let's talk about the late late. Because I remember you were on the, you were on something and you were talking about how you would have wanted to bring it down. You were hoping maybe to bring it down the road of being maybe more of like the old style kitchen parlor the national forum place where you would. Because Adlerissa and Paddy Colavan on the podcast, actually, and we talked for 45 minutes just about this subject. We talked about gay, we talked about you, we talked about Pat, we talked about Kielt,

22:53we talked about the, the expectation from the public what the late late, what the late, what the public might expect. We talked about what it delivers and what it doesn't deliver. We talked about, you know, the idea does, does really the Irish, are the Irish public really interested in, let's be honest, a sea list British celebrity who you know is face and he's just done a kind of little children's book or something. Are we really, really interested in that? Or should we use the late late show as a kind of something more important? I worked on it for 14 years and, you know, as you characterized it there, like all the heads I worked with will be really upset to hear you say that because they'd say it's not like that, you know, we'd have bigger guests and that and better guests than that. But there's a perception just because we might have the occasional bad guest. Now look, I've gone from it for I think three years now so I'm out of the loop. I don't know what's happening on the show. I don't have any bad vibes about it.

23:53I wish them well. But I did hear Patrick Hilti saying, and I don't know Patrick from Adam other than occasionally having said hello. But I did hear, I read something that he said, he wants to go down what you just said, then the road back to the town hall vibe on a Friday. And I think that he's right that it should, I'd go back to its roots where you did have probably a lot more challenging stuff, a lot more, maybe topical things. But I think my difficulty here is that I don't know enough about the show as it is anymore, so I'm probably talking through my hat. But if he's saying that, that's very telling, that clearly that he wants to show his. You talk, it may be ago you talked about the difficulties with terrestrial television. And I actually think funnily enough, I'm ironically enough there is an opening for that. I agree with you. So instead of kind of almost trying to reproduce what everybody else is doing, go no, use this hallowed place, 915, 930 on a Friday night. 935, 935, get it right. On a Friday night. I'm gonna hear the music already.

24:54To actually talk about what's mattered to the people of the country this week. Well I think that's what he's been, that's what he's saying. And I think that to, you know, people talk about Graham Nortenshow, Graham Nortenshow is, you gotta understand, it does so well, large because it's recorded on a Thursday evening. Within an inch of its life, three, four hours. And caught an editor down, which is a credit to everyone involved. I'm not having a go. I'm just saying that this is the different type of show. The lay lay show is, when I was doing this two hours, it's an hour and a half. Yeah. So that's a nice niche time, which I would have loved. Probably would have stayed on if they could have done that. But then it's either here nor there. Yeah. So, but it's live life. And what Patrick appears to be saying is, he doesn't want it to go down the kind of the Norton route. He'd rather went back to, yeah, other people were doing, Gave was doing, Pat was doing, I was doing it. Which is, one of my favorite, I've said this on my, when I was doing the show around the country, people were asking, who did you love on the show and whatever. I keep talking about Vicky feeling and I talk about Catherine Corlis and the heavy stuff.

25:54Then you talk about the show based off, of course, that's there. But the heavy stuff resonates all the time. So the idea, I think you've just nailed it, actually, where the idea that we do, we all want to gather somewhere at the end of the week to say, what was that? And I think the lay lay show always had that and then can have it if it wants it. Yeah. I think, I'm sorry, last point to make, is that terrestrial TV is gonna be saved largely by big event moments. That's right. Whether that's a sports event or a general election, or whatever, but a chattel has to sustain self-week in week out. Now it's a shorter run, which is of benefit as well. And that makes sense. Yeah. But by the way, when I said sea list British guests, that was very offensive. Yeah, but actually, but well, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'm having a pop at you. No, no, but I will, I will, I will drag more out of that. Go on. I would also say, I would also say, and that, like, even Tom Cruise or Will Ferrell, who both were on the show when I was there. Of course they were. Yeah.

26:55I would even go, like, you know, they're available so often, so many different places that I would, for example, would you prefer Will Ferrell or would you prefer, let's say, an absolute big barney about the M9 motorway crash? I know which one would rate. Yeah, well, which one? It's not Will Ferrell. Exactly. It's not Will Ferrell. And I wouldn't do it just for the rating. I do it because people would go, I can't get this debate anywhere else, but I can get Will Ferrell everywhere. That's it. That's it. Exactly it. The problem, it's not a problem, but the reality is once upon a time, you could only see Will Ferrell on a chat show, be it in the States, in the UK, or in Ireland. Now Will Ferrell might have an Instagram account. You see them every day, everywhere, all the time being intrude. There's nothing new in it. Yes, you'll come to Ireland. And it is getting a little bit, what's your favorite title? And we need to watch that, where's the best in this? And chicken roll? And that's all good. And it's funny, but it's getting a little repetitive. And 55 influencers asking about crisps.

27:56Correct. We need to hold a horses there because the currency of quality conversation is being debased a little bit by goofy questions about Ireland. So I've asked them, I'm guilty, and I'm saying it to myself. I think they have a place. They have a place. So we'll say that. But sorry, back to your point. Debate on the M50 versus Will Ferrell. I think you're right. This is our USP, and that's what always rated. I remember the night we had Tom Cruise out. I think he was outraged by something more local. Agreed. And that's how it works. Agreed. And people will be surprised to hear that, maybe. And also Ryan, I've said this as well on the podcast with Paddy and Larissa. It was, if you could get to a stage where you're not being afraid of being intelligent. All right. What do you mean by that? He says asking somebody to explain something about intelligence. A lot of people in TV and in media these days are afraid of being complex, are being intelligent. They're afraid their audience won't get it. Well, that's a great mistake. Yeah, it's a huge mistake because intelligence of an audience.

28:57Exactly. Yeah. I believe that if you make something that's smart and if you have intelligent contributors on something, your audience will find you. So for example, all the people, I remember Gay Burn making Yulik O'Connor absolutely famous on the late late show years ago. Yulik O'Connor. I mean, this is like very high-brow sort of. You were talking, it's like, it's like, you know, the Dick Cavitt, who was a very active enter in the States, who had had, you know, smart. Yeah, he'd have Bobby Kennedy, John Lennon, a Norman Mailer for an Aaron and a half and 20 cigarettes and three bottles of wine. Now, I have to say that, I would love a show like that. I'd love to bring it back. It'll be a little healthier, but yes. Yeah, so I think what, to go back to what you were saying a bit earlier on, Mario, the idea of the podcast, people said, oh, TikTok, TikTok generation, we don't have the appetite for three seconds, three, hold on a second, the greatest, the most consumed podcasts in the world at the moment. Our long, long-form conversations, which Chimes was what you were saying. People have an appetite, they have an ability,

29:58an aptitude and an interest in intelligent conversation. And that's why I don't miss the late late show, largely because, it's not the 10, 12 minute interviews were starting to drive me mad. Correct, yeah. Now I can do a bookshelf podcast, have somebody on for 45 minutes. Actually, very little editing because I want a natural flow of conversation, but mistakes and imperfections are good. Yeah, precisely. And it breathes. And I think that the audience are ready for that. Yeah, I agree with you. And I think that's what Patrick Keelti was saying was, can we go back a little bit back to the basics? I don't know if that's right, but I'll be inclined to agree with them. And radio, do you listen to our T radio or anything? Not as much if, no, in fact, no. I don't. Very honest answer. Well, it's honest only because I might listen to Shay Bern or Marty. I love Marty and Shay. Their shows are so different. Marty Wheelan. Sorry, Marty Wheelan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lovely Rika. Marty. Marty. I do him as a character on the radio.

30:59I know who doesn't talk. Yeah, just a, just a, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Everything can be communicated just to a couple of blustering. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Which he does. He does. Yeah. But I'm skeptical now. I listen to those guys. And it's largely, I tell you, that's not out of any animosity either. Because that is because I now work in British radio largely and it's current affairs radio and the station to work for is called Times Radio, which is linked in with this Times newspaper Sunday Times newspaper and it is really intense. Even though I only do one show in from London Bridge every Sunday. Three hours, three hours, one to four. But like this week, for example, that when we're recording our chat, I'm doing a show on Friday morning, Saturday afternoon, and Sunday afternoon, three hours each on my own, talking about the, you know, Andy Burnham in Kiev as he was this week, I'll be talking about homelessness in the UK. And if I'm not listening to all of that all the time, I'm not, I'm not gonna be a good presenter.

32:00I'm in bedded in UK. I read their papers. Do you listen to the stuff that I was telling you off air that I was listening to, did a lot of listening to James O'Brien and stuff? I listened to LBC quite a bit. Well, I listened to it occasionally, but I tend to be more like a company man because they're my clients. I listen to your own stuff. And there's a lot of content on your own. Huge, and it's a lovely station because it's, I mean, news hound. So if you listen to say BBC four, so you might get the archers or something, you just go, actually, I just wanna hear news. Yeah, so you know, you know you're gonna get news. So it's not the same thing as I'm really super strong. Of course, but it's, I just love the archers. You know, this brings me back to it. Then... Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. Are you sitting comfortably? Then let us begin. Listen with mother. Are you still here? Did you listen to all of this stuff? See my grandmother who I based my Michael T. Higgins impression on. Michael and my brother talked like this. And although she was from country of all sorts, she was something of a high synth bouquet in the sense that she believed she wasn't meant to be here. And she used to tell me about all these people who,

33:00Dirk Bogard, the actor, Hermione Gingold, John Gilgut. And now Mario, you listen to Radio 4. Alistair Cook's leisure from America. Nice. So I grew up, I was like seven in A's going into school in Waterford. Go on. Anybody here, Alistair Cook's letter from America, they are last night by Audi Archer's. And people in Waterford going, what a fuck in the ass. Are they living up in Greenfield? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in a pub here. I was in a pub here. I was in the archer's. That's so fun. And is that near the mental hospital? Yeah. Because it was called the mental hospital. And mental institutions were called the mental. But anyway, so, grew up listening to Radio 4, Ryan. Yeah. So times radio. I listen to them and read the UK papers. I kind of have passing in the UK's in a funny place, I think. Yeah, it's fascinating place to be. I do follow Irish politics, obviously still. And it's actually quite calm here in compared to over in the UK. But far all over there. It's seven prime ministers in ten years. Yeah.

34:01I mean, it's really interesting place to be. It's House of Cards and Wolf Hall, writ large, 2026, all together. And Burnham was the king of the North. Yes. And he made his way south. I mean, the drama is amazing. And then only recently you had their Wallace in Simpson. You had a Megan coming home with Harry. And that has the place to buzz. So they are obsessed. They are in Marcos. Now I met Megan for 37. You did, actually. That's quite a house. Well known, yeah. And we got a picture to take a better. I saw it, yeah. And then one of my colleagues in the late late at the time when she later ended up with Harry got the picture put on a mug with a love heart, our picture together with myself and Megan at the love heart, the happy couple. So I still have that cup. But the point is, I find myself on the radio saying over there when we're doing newspaper panels, we're saying, why do you hate her so much? And there's a serious point to be made here, which I'll say briefly. There was a guy, an academic he probably heard about who died by suicide recently. Jason Arde. Jason Arde. And there was a terrible pylon on him for one week.

35:01One week he was being hounded and hounded because he was plagiarizing and he was a bit of a fabulous and he was somebody from who kind of made his way to the top with peculiar means. And he had a difficult relationship with the truth by the sounds of things. Either way, no one should die for those reasons. But the pylon was pretty grotesque. My feeling is that the way they talk about Megan Markle, I don't care if you like her or not, don't stop. Just leave her. You don't have to take to the keyboard or write a really horrible headline. If you don't like somebody, I just don't like the meanness of the media coverage. It's still got a culture of, which goes all the way back to Fleet Street in the 60s, 70s and 80s. It's got a culture of, of, of nastiness in it. They would go personal. They go after it. Whereas in Ireland, I mean, I'm talking to the wrong guy here. Well, you are a little bit because they, we talked to the wrong guy here and I've taken an absolute bait and, yeah, Bush. Yeah, for months and months in a row.

36:03Yeah. But, but, but, but to tend not to, actually, I'm looking at the wrong guy. I'm still looking at the wrong guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Regardless of what side of my own. Do you feel resent, just jump in here and ask, do you feel, and I know you'll be honest at me, do you feel any resentment towards the Irish media for what many people would perceive as just an absolute? Well, I, I, I, I, I, on you. I would say, the, the, the, the misfortune in my case was that it happened in August. And like the story broke in June and it was, it was a summer story. So it was easier to cover relentlessly. Also, I think that there was, there was people do like to see the, the big fish in the pond taken out. So there's a kind of a, as a kind of peculiar joy to that for some people. Wasn't it the fact that there was an anger as well at the institution and that they just used you as the kind of, well, I would characterize it along those lines. Yeah, but it's funny. Is that a scapegoat? I, I, I think that's what I hear on the street all the time. That's what I think. Yeah. Well, that's what I hear on the street all the time. And there'll be others who don't agree with that.

37:03That's the side-panification of it. When they say they don't agree with it. Right. What do you think they're saying? Well, I think they're saying that I should have been a little louder in my objections to the way things were done. I agree. And there's, there's, there's truth in that too. And that's, I feel bad about that. Having said that, it's not easy for you to be a little louder about the things. So for example, they had a presentine way of doing business. They did. And you know, I probably should have shared a louder about that. Like anybody else, right? Anybody who works in entertainment or even any business, right? Sometimes you do a gig or sometimes you do a job and they go, so what we're going to do is we're going to pay you, we're going to pay you this. I'm going to pay you through this, this way. I'm going to pay you through the third bit this way. And you're there. Okay, it sounds a bit like, okay, right. But is it all above board? Yeah. Are we paying tax? Is everyone happy? No, in fairness, you're not a charge of the content. I can't, are you meant to monitor them for their own aim? My feeling was always, I was, I was fortunate enough to have people to look after that. So I just focused on presenting shows and then I was a bit taken aback way.

38:04But that was my naivety and stupidity in some ways. Somebody wrote, what could you have done differently then if you'd say, if you're saying it's your naivety and stupidity? If it happened to you again, no, I should have been more attentive to it. What, how could you have been attentive? I'm being read everything, looked at everything, taken out a calculator and then an ultimately such that this doesn't look right. Yeah, I don't like the look at that or something like that. They would have said to you, leave us to our job, Brian. They would have, yeah, they would have, and they're your goose, by the way. But I saw it one head the ball writing recently saying, he, I wish he'd stop talking about all of that. And I, I do, I don't talk about it. It's only because I'm asked about it. I don't get any great joy about going back talking about that time because it was very dark and unpleasant. But, you know, if you look at my, for example, my Instagram account, it's never mentioned. So I'm not going around talking about it. It's just when I do an entry of, fortunately, it's going to be one of those things that will follow me for a while. And I, I'm only answering because I presume, you are. I presume you understand that there are a lot of people, a lot of people out there who would think pretty much what I'm thinking that that, this utterly, utterly bizarre.

39:08But, the situation for somebody to find themselves in. Yeah, I was, but it is because you're part of a state organization, our semi state organization, that they, people feel that they have, they have a right to weigh in. But the thing turned into a really Kafka-esque situation. You must have been wondering at some stage. You must have been wondering often. And because I was wondering on your behalf, and that's not just because I know you, I know people who didn't know you must have been wondering on their behalf in the, maybe five or six minutes they might have given to you on a date to think about it for two minutes. What the hell is going on here? Hang on. Am I Liam Moller? Am I Ray Burke? What the, what is, what have I been made out to be here? Yeah. I mean, I'm, this has to have gone, been going on in your brain. I'm sure. Am I living in the real world here? Yeah. Well, I was in the middle of it and, and it was just very, it was deep job setting. And yeah, I was, I was bewildered and puzzled.

40:09My son gets, he's, he's, he's, don is leaving. Yeah. And in the last couple of years, of course, they're all so active on the, sort of, they see coming in the TikTok. But because I knew you and everything, he'd show me stuff at night, you know, just a dad, listen to this, what's happening to it? What? It's tobes. Yeah. What's going on with tobes? And he'd show me this video, right, of you going into a spar. Oh, yeah, that was before all of this. That was the guy who was with the, the vaccine. Yeah. And then you're on your way presumably, because I know you little, you know who's going, Donohus. Oh, Donohus. Oh, Donohus. You're going over to Donohus to meet people for a quiet pint. And, and this fella's there, ruining the whole body. You owe a lot of the answer for how you scrub. You know, there was two of them, by the way. Right. And they were probably in their thirties. I'd say a lot of time in the gym, beards and, they just saw me walk and pass them on the street and follow me into the shop. Yeah. And then speak to them because they were so angry and about the vaccinations. And that would, that happened after COVID, I became Johnny Vax and as far as they were concerned.

41:10So it's, it comes back to that. Like even when the big, the big or T thing happened, um, you know, people who didn't, who didn't, who maybe didn't like what I did anyway just went, Oh, now we have a real pro quality reason to dislike him or whatever. So it lots of people, you know, even before anything before COVID, people have the people thought you're paying the hours or T thing, half the people that you're in. So then the other half are people on the street saying, where are you coming back? We'll, we'll see you, you know, and it's really lovely. Must've read. Probably got amazing. It must have been thrown, it must have thrown you into mentally a very hard place. It was tricky. Yeah. I had to read up a little bit about you, even though I know a good bit about you, but I still had to read up a bit about you. And I believe that you did take therapy before any of this. Oh, yeah. That's right. You had engaged in therapy. I had, yeah, really good guy. And you found it clicked with you. It worked hugely. Yeah. It was very ten years previously and it didn't click. And then I met somebody and it did click and that was tremendously helpful. Yeah. Yeah, because I was making decisions, big life decisions at the time, including giving up the late late show. Yeah. And that happened then and I just wanted to talk it all through.

42:12Yeah. And yeah, that was great, really great. And did you continue after the, the, the, the, I continued for a while and you actually think, yeah, I did. And now, not so much now because I'm very happy and settled in the world as a, is, is, is a good place again. Yeah. I used to watch, when I used to come into the late late show, I used to, you know, meet you beforehand, as I said. And we, I do a few impressions for you. I'd always do gay burn for you. Yeah. And all and some, when you did the, when gay went off on his little Americanisms on the side, that, that always, yeah. Yeah. You know, that we do the kind of forties villain. Yeah. And this is, like, unfortunately, behind the scene story. I remember going to you once, because I'm always trying to think in new things and you said, how you fix tonight, how you doing? And you know, I got, I'm great. I have, I actually have a little idea for you around you. What is it? Yeah. And I remember, because gay had died recently. Yeah. And I said, I think there were three gay burns. And you went to go and tell us, tell us, tell us. And I was saying there was the original gay burn, and, which was a bit like the Aemon Andrews, and it was, which, welcome, please, the Beatles. That's right. That little, that little BBC, slightly, little BBC thing. Yes.

43:12But it's also trying to maintain the Dublin thing. Yes. And it's a little bit like that. I'm not leaving Dublin behind, but I'm also doing, site-received, site-received presentation, John George, and Ringo and Paul, the Beatles. Yes. Right? Yeah. And then in the early 70s, then he went into, obviously, American TV was massive. And he went, okay, let's have it going here. We're going to have a little rattled, rattled, rattled, do. He's going to do a little, did he? I'll do it all dance. Then how Roach is going to be on, do a little bit of, haha. And then after that, we're going to talk to Peter, used to know, tough, a runny, tough, a runny, tough, a runny. And then in the, I don't know why it comes from what it's there. Yeah. Got it right. And then what's the last one? Oh, yeah. The last one is the hooded, uh, what? The, the meaning of life. This is, do you believe in Satan? Are you Satan? Bottle, you are Satan. You wore the horns. If you meet Satan at the gate, what do you say to him? How do you do to anybody? Haha. The hooded eyes. Um, oh, it was okay. I would, oh, yeah. The hooded eyes and the, everything. So it all went wise and hooded. Yes.

44:13It went, you felt around the card or laughing at this and you went, let's do it tonight. Please. And then the producers went, no, they can't do it. They did soon. So it was always a bit like, yeah, big, big, very careful. I know who has that is, uh, you remember Wersel Gommage? Yeah. And remember he, yeah, exactly. And remember you go into the shed and you'd have all the heads. Yeah. So he's got like cake eating head or he's got the posh head or the intellectual head of the glasses. Yes. Uh, I think Tommy turnens like Wersel Gommage. As in, as in in his shed, he's got the, if he's got philosopher, Tommy head. Okay. He's got good back at that. Absolutely. He's got, you think Tommy? Yeah. It precisely, he's got all those different elements to it. And, uh, you know, we had him, he was very, he was a great guest for us on the podcast. And we did a live show in Galway. Yes. And we got, I was going to say, which head is coming in? Yes. And actually we got a weird licorice all sorts of a mix of all the best of him. Great. We got his greatest hits in it. Great, great. Uh, he was brilliant. The bookshelf, that was that was that, those, those sold out very well. Yeah, that was a great, and you've got another one coming up on Friday, the 11th of December

45:15in the pavilion. I've got two dots. Mother uni, we've got, I've got, look at that. Total pro, washed him down, turned him around, put him through the car wash, Eddie came, plug a runie, 11th of December, get on the tickety wickety master. We have, we're doing it. Actually, we're going to do a matinee show for kids that day. Yeah. Well, so it's four o'clock and eight o'clock because a friend of mine's daughter said, why don't you do one for us? I said, that's a good idea. Let's do one for that. So I'm looking forward to that. Yeah. Kind of kids and reading. They're all the rage now. Do you know the matinee's? Are they? Yeah. So, um, I'm going to do them as well. So, you. The world of live entertainment has changed. So, the first person I saw doing it around this neck of the woods was Jimmy Car. Jimmy Car will come into Dublin and he'll do three nights of the Olympia, but he'll also do Saturday afternoon and Sunday afternoon. That's so clever for childminding and. No, exactly. So, some people don't want to get drunk all the time. Correct. Some people go, do you know what? I like Jimmy Car, but I want to, I want to see him in the afternoon. I don't want to drink. I want to go home in the evening and I want to go out to do something else in the evening.

46:17Yeah. That's really clever. The matinee's are now in. So, they'll go wealthy. I'm an accidental zeitgeist. Yeah. That could be a chapter title. But anyway, back to the late late just for a minute because, uh, can I, can I, can I, can I, you'd have to sort me out on this one. Go on. I feel like Colombo here, right? Because you're going to have to get that late. Just one more thing. Okay. Or just one more thing. Okay. I'll take about the late late late. I can buy it. I understand. Believe it. But what, the one thing I can't understand, you're going to have to sort me out. I'll try. How did you give up the late late? And then just a few months later, all this stuff happened. Do you not think that is the most staggering coincidence in the world? Yeah, I do. Yeah. Yeah. I do. I do. But they're wrong. Right. Um, I perverse. Well, I looked in the mirror in March in the dressing room and I said, I think I'm done here. Really? Yeah. And then I went out of meeting with my agent and his number two, and we sat in his office.

47:21I said, I don't have another season in me. Did they say you're mad? They said you're mad, yeah. They said you've got another year in your contract, you've got to finish it out. And I said, I don't think I physically, mentally have it in me. Yeah. I know this sounds punk-res, but it's true. I believe it. Um, and you have to because it's true. Um, and they said, Jesus, okay, and they looked me in the eyes and I was kind of getting upset and they were saying, is it that bad? I said, yeah, I think, I think COVID sucked the life out of me doing that show. You were on it for two or three years. And I think I want to go exploring things. And if I could finish it before my 50th birthday, it just feels right. So on the day before my 50th birthday, I did my last late late show. There was a message from Paul McCartney, all of my colleagues and staff came out on the show. There was no hint of anything. I went to Conomerah the next, I was, you know, madly in love with my new, relatively new girl from part of it. That's the stage, Claire, named my wife. And, um, about a week, about two weeks after I finished, I said, great, and I was kind of plotting and scheming. Where two next from here, I was really excited about the world opening up and going, okay, I'll go to London.

48:24And I might do, my book's podcast, which I've been dying to do. I felt this great relief and this great sense of, neck, what's next? And it was lovely. It just, it was a lot of, I just, I loved it. I loved that I'd given it up in, in good time. I felt like a right decision, despite what, what I'd been advised. And then I got a phone call to say, there's something brewing and I say, well, I don't know what you're talking about. And that, and that's what happened. So yeah, yeah. Um, I'm sorry for now. Yeah, I know it's a bit. No, it doesn't. It is. Yeah, I have nothing more to say about that. Yeah, I think you, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, what can I say? That's just, you asked me for an undiluted, truthful answer. And there you go. And no regrets leaving it. You made the right decision. I made the right decision. I think if they had, if they had agreed to make some changes, but that's what it was. Yeah, yeah. You know, I thought the link to the show, the link to the run, I was saying, could we have a look at that? And there was no shifting on that. And it's fair enough. Um, well, if you can't, well, then I really don't have that in me. And then that was the end of that. So no, I don't regret it at all.

49:24I don't miss it at all. I loved it, but I don't miss it. Yeah. You know, I miss probably the radio side of things a little bit. I like, I love where I am now, but I did love my, my audience and the listeners and the conversation. Yeah, a lot of it you were very suited for because you, you are a kind of, um, it's very much myself. You come alive at night and you're able to get up for the show. Yeah. You're able to get up for a show. You're, you're, you're, you're a showbiz kind of person. I have a showbiz. I don't mean that in a bad way, but some people who are, some people are good at what they do, but they're not necessarily showbiz. Yeah. You like showbiz. I love it. I love it. You love to smell like Reese Paint. I do, I do, but I don't miss TV that much. I think I'm going to get into some documentary making. Yeah. I'm going to get into some more, where I'm at. I don't want a TV show or such. Documentary making is, I was saying to the audience, it's, it's, it's a pretty cool place to be. Well, I hope so. I mean, I got, I mean, I love the books in history. It's history. Yeah. You know, it, it lends itself to it, you know, so, you know, and so that's probably the next plan. And of a book or two floating around the back of my head too.

50:25So it's, it's all, it's always plotting. And yeah, I described it as being like for 20 years plus I had, you know, six pack of Mars buyers. And they were tasty and they, but it was getting a little samey. Now I have a selection box. So I have a different bar of chocolate. What about the 9 to 10 in the morning? Did you enjoy it? Which did you miss that? Yeah. Yeah. I did miss that. I thought it was a great slot. I thought, did you like that particular hour? I did like that hour. And I thought it was very good. And do you ever do, do you ever think I would have wanted two hours or no? No. And it was, it was often talked about. I felt it was a very neat hour that we nailed. So we'd open with the monologue. Generally one interview. And one interview and then audience coming. I just felt a lovely connection with the audience. Like really nice vibe. But that, that, that, that radio gold for your former club like you have with Ian, where you know your listeners and they know you and there's great trust. And you said, don't go to that film or do read that book. And, you know, and I, and I really enjoyed that connection. Consistency as well as important. My, my Ian's always talking about that consistency. Yeah.

51:26Like we go, for example, not to blow our own trouble. We go good numbers the last day. Congratulations. Yeah, big ones. I want to go cheaper. This is great news altogether. We're texting each other and this is, is it ever going to stop? This is fantastic. Up and up you go. And Ian just went, look, maybe in a world gone mad consistency is, is where people are coming back to. Yeah. Yeah. And back to, you have a very authentic show as well. And I think that's really important. That authenticity. And, but yeah, consistency is a good word. People just, there's, there's so little, that's why I got the Christie sold so many books back in the, in wartime because people had no, nothing to rely on. They had no consistency. But these books in the course of 200 pages said, here's the problem, here's the solution, here's resolution. And at last they had this in little books that they could read. So that's what it, people like that, whether it's a radio show or a book. Very good. And you were very nice actually. Sorry. And this is meant to be about you, but you did say, you did say that you're enjoying some of the new characters that I've been producing. Yeah. I think you're Ivan Yates. You've, you've known, you've honed in on Ivan brilliantly.

52:27And when you bring it, this is how, when you can pirouette from Ivan to Matt with, without, you know, batting an eyelid, that's, that's part of yours. Oh, I love that. So Matt, Matt became a popular character recently as well. And it was just, it's just a high pitch thing. I used to do them as a pigeon years ago. I remember. So I used to do all these years ago. You, who, who, who, who, who, and now I just talk about Sahurde and what we're going to do. And Ivan, Ivan, Ivan, why would you say that? Well, Matt, here's the thing. Everything I say, Matt, is important. And Patti Power have the odds out now. The big question is, will Ryan Tuberty grow a beard? And people are saying that this beard could be personally catastrophic for Tuberty. This is so good. But I find it, I love the personally catastrophic, but yeah, yeah. Why would a beard be personally catastrophic? But the way you say my name as Ivan is really good.

53:29Tuberty, you know, whatever the way you did it then. And the other one you were liking as was Brandon. You're Brandon, your Brandon Connery is, is Erie, Erie, really good. So when you were coming on the show, would you like to talk about your mental health problems Ryan? We know he took therapy. You know, you know, you love kind of Mara, but like what I want to talk about is how dark do you get like, you know, you're in reigning that or just just dark, you know, you're nearly late before the fall or the dawn, the dawn before the dusk of darkness. How dark did it get? You know, the band called the darkness. I believe anything kind of. Did you get really, really dark? Like, was there something on the night about you? Like, I remember Michael Howard and Wendy Cammie. I mean, did you ever think about it, Ryan? No, don't go there. Okay, we won't go there now, but actually I'd like you to go there. You know, we're on thinking about the ratings now. And I'm thinking about the front page. Is my tomorrow having written a jet, but you could do that for me. Maybe you could scream a load of you dark, dark, very dark or read, dark, right? I actually like your cast. Yeah. Okay. And this is a part Simon song you picked as well. Is it? Hello, dark.

54:29This is my old friend. Okay, very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just made that up on this path. It's not that long. Very good. Just riffing. I'm just riffing, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great. So you like brand, you like brand? I think you do great brand and I think you do great Ivan. Okay. Couple of friends of yours. Russell Crowe. Oh, Russell. It's hilarious. Love that. I think you like your ten-stomachian and that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's became, you mean, you, you looted to earlier on how there was a bit of a touch of the kind of where we go and after the show about hard, late and regularly we'd go out on the, the tear and Russell and myself went out one night with a few of the team and he was kind of chatting away and we were getting on fine until I said that I had written a letter to a former Australian prime minister called Gough Whittland who was sucked by the governor general in the 1970s and he said you're out of Gough Whittland. I said, yeah, he was really popular between the, for the Liberals and I was in college studying history and I did Australian history and literally they think it would come back as you'd say, why the hell am I studying in history? Yeah. Well, because one day you'll be talking to us.

55:30Oh, hello, he's here. You know what I mean? And, and I was saying to him and he must have been so blown away with that. He was blown away because you know the name of that prime minister. Yeah. And, and I said, I'm, and Mr. Whittland wrote back to me a beautiful letter with some documents that he was working on and he said, mate, we got us to that. Right. And we had pines. Now he was having, he likes tequila. Tequila. Yeah. So he was having tequila. I can't drink. I love my pines, but I didn't only have a few. Yeah. And I was having pines again. And my team were seeing me getting a little bit, you know, going and, and I also like, and what they were doing is they, I get to the half a pint. Yeah. And they'd reach in, take out half a pint, put a fresh one in. Yeah. So I wasn't, so it was the never ending pint, but it was, so it just kind of to temper me. They were brilliant. And then, so we stayed and touched. And then he was over filming the pub's exorcist in Dublin and met him and he said, will you come up and play tennis up in the house? There's the house that Matt Damon, which is. Yeah, back at cans, yeah. Yeah, back at cans. And so for about eight weeks, eight Sundays in a row with myself and Ross and his partner and some piles of played tennis.

56:31I've seen good few interviews with him and he is, he's very interesting fella. Bright. And well informed and curious. He's very well informed and he's very curious and he's very loyal and he's got a great kind streak to him. And we meet in London sometimes and we stay in touch. He's a great supporter of a brilliant guy who I now love called Dave Lofts singer. He's going to go, I think, all the way. So that's kind of nice. And he's inviting me out to his place in a few times now in Australia, but I haven't had the chance to go. But I'll just finish this rustled bit by saying I was sitting outside a pub in Docky as it happens one night with him, the couple of piles and a little person was walking along by the pub, the place was empty. And I said, I think that's Shenaito Connor. And I said, bear with me. And I went up and she was very small. And I said, she made and she said, Ryan, I said, how are you? She said, come here.

57:31I said, we're hugging. As we were hugging, I heard the footsteps and I look over my shoulder and it's Russell. And he goes, can I meet Shenait? I said, yeah, of course. Shenait, this is Russell. This is Shenait. This is a bizarre story. And they hugged and she disappeared into his gladiatorial arm. And but it was very warm and sincere. And I said, would you like to join us? We were having a pint. She said, yeah, yeah, I'd love to. So she came down to get a coffee and a couple of smokes and we were talking and suddenly Russell had been holding court. And Shenait then became the lion. And we became the mice and she held court even with her diminished. It's not diminished, but diminutive. Diminished. And she held court and we were all blown away. And we had a lovely conversation. And off we went, the next day, Russell sent me a text saying, that was just so lovely to me. Shenait, I really enjoyed that. And Shenait sent me a text going, oh my god, Russell Crowe. Is he single of what I have to shave those who give us a break?

58:34And I said, I said. Yeah, no, and I'll find out for you. But yeah, and then she passed away probably about a year or so, not long after that. But yeah, it was one of the weird encounters. Yeah, nice encounters. And he was a fabulous one. Sounds brilliant. It's a good picture you picked painted as well, but the depiction, I saw only saw clips of it. I didn't see that of Herman Goring. Yeah, to see that. Yeah, it's good, wasn't it? Yeah, it's good. Yeah, really good. Really good. He had the build for us and the steely stair. Yeah, I think it was well reviewed as well. Yeah, I enjoyed it. Terrific actor. Was it the insider as well? Was it the insider? Yeah, it's a terrific reminder back in the day. You've been mind you. And obviously glad to be here. But the one with I think Denzel. Oh, yeah. No, gosh, I can't remember, but he's brilliant in that as well. Yeah, really good. And so, like you look for you know, you're on camera, but you're also on audio.

59:35You look well. I feel good. Yeah, you do look well. Yeah, well, I'm. Because you know what, I sometimes meet you at the late late show, right years ago. I'd be fucked. I'd be band-jacks. Oh yeah, because you had a hard week. Yeah. It's a late night TV, it was really, it was rattling and it's flying. And you would sometimes look, now your energy would be great, but you'd be tired looking. But I'd be tired looking as I was. Your fresh looking now. Yeah, no, I feel better now. I started running a few years ago. Okay. But I'm not going to talk about it because it's so boring, but I really enjoy that. Do a little bit of that. What do you mean it's boring? Running isn't boring. I think it's boring. And I eat cake. Do you eat cake? I've done two ways to do it. Running and cake. No, no, I don't. Well, don't infernously he was running a long time before. How about we start a podcast XRT Legends? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you can't even write. What? Rain, Ryan. Rain, Ryan. Run with the rain, Ryan. Run with Ray and Ryan. Let's do it. Anyway, fair play. So, and Pierce Morgan. Yeah, Pierce with him. Well, I don't know. I'm sure he's a character. Overstate the case. He's like myself, a cure at the egg, or at least he describes himself as being quite

1:00:36like Mara might. And I know that, you know, that's what happens when you're in the public eye. One of the biggest journalists in the world now. He is. And he's, you know, I know you had a great conversation with my pal Mark Little and this podcast. Yes. And he was talking about, you described as being ahead of the curve. Actually, Pierce Morgan's ahead of the curve. He gets a bad press, but sometimes from people who I think don't listen and closely enough to what he has to say. Because actually he's more reasonable than one I think has been. Do you know what a comment, do you know a comment comment you see on, oh, back here's Morgan on the internet. No, I don't. Hate Pierce Morgan, but couldn't agree with the more about this. What a thing to say. Isn't that a funny one? It is a funny one. So, in other words, he does actually land, he does actually land at a reasonable positions on a lot of big issues. I think there's possibly some historical, maybe just the historical stuff. And that's fine. You don't need to quit him. I only know him as somebody who I've met a few times socially and he's been extremely

1:01:37welcoming to me in London. Really, really kind. And he sees himself as Irish. Well, his dad was Irish. Yeah. I know, but he almost identifies the Irish. He died when he was one. So he was, yeah, but he does love his Irishness. But yeah, yeah, he's a good guy. You all well? Yeah, really good. Good. I mean, I'm heading off to London now after this evening. Yeah. I've got interviews tomorrow with Mark Gatus of Dr. Who and Sherlock fame. And with Robert Harris, one of my favorite authors, New Book I've called Agrippa. So I'm going to be chatting with them and I'm meeting some interesting people over the next few days. And by the time this broadcast goes out, I'll probably be on my holidays. I'm taking a couple of days off in a few week or two off in September. Cool. So much needed. Well, thank you. And from a personal perspective, I think it's absolutely great to see you. Thank you. It's a fun kind of relationship because we had a lot in common. We have a lot in common and we go back a long way. And you know, Jeepers is just watching from the outside.

1:02:39Yeah. Some of that stuff. I think you're a bit flabbergasted by it. I am. Flabbergasted by it. And it's a bizarre situation. It was very peculiar. I've ever experienced it. But I've tried to. But on my own, why don't you go completely? I just want to try and see it from maybe hypothetical outsiders' point of view as well, who we might have been asking questions. But we got through that. So that's fantastic. So thank you. And it's brilliant to see you healthy and well. And in all sorts of areas, thriving this. Okay, plug a rune again. Friday the 11th, the December the 11th. Yes, Matt and I. At four. And so bookshelf podcast live, me and a guest. I do the first 20 minutes is showbiz stories. Yeah. Like a gaze to do that. Just like that. And their story is about different shows and different guests. Good. And questions are beamed up from the audience on the bar. Brilliant. So that's quite a QR code. And so that's quite an, it makes it quite interactive. And then the guest comes out.

1:03:40And also questions come from the audience. So it's in the round in that sense. And it's lovely. And the Pavilion in Delirium Dublin is a beautiful venue. It's just a nice size. And it's just a really lovely human connection. As you well know on the stage. I do, yeah. Lovely. You can reach out. Lovely stage. Lovely raked seating. Hey, thanks for having me on the show. Thank you for spending so, giving of your time, being so generous with your time as always. Thank you. Personally, brilliant to see you. You look great. Sure, yeah. And let's stay in touch. Onwards. Definitely. And my thanks to Tobs for coming in and talking to me and good luck in everything he's doing. And with the interview, we said, let's stay in touch. And hopefully, we will. My thanks to you, the listener, the most important element of this podcast for listening. Tell one other person about this podcast. MarioRose and stock at gmail.com. Thank you to Home. Our great sponsor for getting involved. And I'll see you, same time, same place next week. The MarioRose.com podcast. Thanks to Home. Finance made easy when you shop tech, electrical, appliances, kitchens, and much more.

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