Awakening the Intuitive Gift, Part One | Grave Talks CLASSIC

0:00Today on the Grave Talks, dealing with a dead conversation with Wes Forsyth. Wes Forsyth grew up discovering that he had tapped into an ability within himself to sense and see things that he physically otherwise could not place his people. But he never met. He would hold back on examining these abilities until later in life. He'd all started out watching too much paranormal TV, which led him to do investigations. They strove him into looking into psychic sides of the field. He'd soon find himself as a light worker and tarot reader. Today we hear his stories on the Grave Talks. My interest, I mean it started at childhood. I was a kid that rode the, uh, uh, read the really geeky books about Bigfoot and UFOs and ghost and all this stuff that was available when I was a kid, which was basically whatever was sold at the book fair.

1:02But I really, and I had a few, what I would call, paranormal experience, but just kind of cool stuff to tell stories about, nothing that, you know, was earth shattering. And then finally, um, I watched a lot of paranormal TV when it all became in the Vogue. And I finally decided to get out of my armchair one time and take someone up on an opportunity to actually go ghost hunting in a real purported haunted location. And that's what really kicked in the passion. Being out there and seeing it firsthand, what were some of those, some of those that you, you kind of brushed over there, little, you know, things in childhood that you thought were paranormal. What were some of those things? Well, I wouldn't, okay, it was mostly my teenage and early adult years, but I used to have, uh, basically very, very vivid dreams about places and or people. And I could usually tell if there was something special about it because the dream would

2:06repeat itself. It might change a little, but the overall theme in a special location would, um, would stay the same. And occasionally I would have the opportunity to meet the person or talk to him that I haven't seen in 20 years or whatever and ask them about it and come to find out my dreams were freakishly accurate. One of the ones that stands out my mind was I had a dream about going in someone's house while they were building it. And I actually got to watch how the house kind of came together. In other words, the order it came together. And what stuck out to me was the kitchen, which was, uh, open kind of open, uh, platform. And then the upstairs, the upstairs, I'm downstairs and there is painting walls and stuff like that, but the upstairs was fully finished. Well, a body year after I had this dream several times, I actually met these people for

3:06the first time in my life. I was a salesman and I was in their house and the house looked so familiar, so familiar. And finally it occurred to me where I knew the house from. And so after I found out I wasn't getting the sale, uh, excuse me. I started asking them and said, okay, you're going to think this is really, really strange. And I went on and described to them how they built their house, the order they built it, not only that, but yes, they did in fact finish the upstairs first. So that they can move in and finish the lower level at a leisurely pace. And were they like, okay, you're still not getting the sale. You've just creeped this out. Yeah, yeah, that was pretty much it. No, I did not get the sale. Yeah. It did not, they, it was one of those conversations. I, I, I'm not even sure that they took me seriously, except that there were things that I knew. So I, I, you know, they may have thought it was a stalker or something.

4:07I really don't know, uh, because I never met them again. But um, it was, it was something that really stood out in my mind. What was the significance of it when you look back, kind of retrospectively, I mean, to have the dream, like you knew this information about these people's home and the, the history of what happened. I mean, what, why did you have that dream? Is there some sort of connection or some sort of thing that happened there that, that you can put the like lay, you know, your, your finger on and go, Oh, okay. Honestly, no other than I do think, um, that I've moved into the, um, uh, metaphysical side of the paranormal world that I think that was my spirit guides way of keeping my interest peaked. Okay. So that I didn't just brush it all off. I think they wanted to remind me ever now, and then that there were things going on. And even though I wasn't in touch with them, we're talking to them, um, that, um, they

5:10were there and somebody was trying to get a message to me. Yeah. Just like showing you, you know, this may not have much of a significant or a message attached to it, but look what you can do, kind of a thing. Exactly. Exactly. That's the way I always looked back at it. Because when I actually entered the paranormal world, as just, once again, uh, moved from our entire investigator to real world, uh, ghost hunter, I really, people would ask me about, you know, well, are you psychic? And my answer was always no, not at all. And then, uh, things kind of progressed from there into people saying, yeah, you are, you really are, dude. Uh, but that, I think that was just once again, just wanting to keep my interest peaked enough that I would pursue the field that I ended up in. Yeah. How interesting. Did you have any other, I mean, when you had that experience, uh, was it confirmation

6:13to you that you had some sort of ability? How did you process that when you walked out of that house and started driving, you know, back home or whatever? I really, I really did. I took it as a confirmation that I wouldn't, okay. I would say that I didn't take it as a confirmation that I had any great unique gift. I took it more as a confirmation that, uh, or a, an interpretation that we probably all have this gift. But for some reason, I'm the one that noticed it. Yeah. You got to tap into it. I've never really thought that I was that special in that regard. It was just a matter of, um, I paid attention to it and I noticed it. And then that gave me something to kind of lean on when people started telling me, hey, you should really pursue that. Does something like that improve with time, improve with essentially tapping into it, using it being aware that you have this, this ability or this sense?

7:14The only thing I've noticed is that I pay more attention to my dreams and my, my, my, we'll call them best dreams, my, my most vivid dreams tend to have some less, something in them that I'm supposed to know. Some, something that's going to help me in either a life event or a paranormal event, a paranormal, um, type situation. So I, I, a lot of times I tell my psychic friends that anytime I'm having these, I feel like I'm in boot camp now because I feel like it's school for me. Something I'm supposed to be learning from that vivid experience. What were some of the other, uh, dreams that you had early on, vivid experiences that really, you know, kind of kept you going beyond that, that one, which is obviously fairly powerful. Well, the, the earliest one I remember like that, um, was, uh, I don't know, it had

8:18been a few years before that because I was a teenager and I do remember I dreamt, now I live on, I lived and still live in a rural area, farming is big and back then tobacco farming was big. And I had, now this was a friend I'd never been to his house. I'd never been on his farm, but I did dream about this person and his family, but I dreamt about his house is yard. And what made it interesting, I dreamt about his farm. And when I say that it wasn't so much the lay of the farm, it's the order and the location of certain fields when they were harvested that fall. Now I had no connection to the guy at the time, uh, my, the met him in passing, but he, we weren't close friends, but for some reason in the dream, I actually was, I was looking for him, I think in the dream and I went to one field and he wasn't there and they said, go up there, you know, so I was able, when I finally did see, I've met him at a, uh, a restaurant one night and I just, it in the curtain made that I had that dream.

9:24And so I went through it with him and I described his house, I described his yard, I described his farm and I described, uh, the people that worked for them in tobacco that year, the one that stood out was his grandfather. And, uh, he was kind of blowing it off until I described the order they kept their tobacco patches, uh, back then all the patches were very relatively small. And so when you would go up a holler, you know, they would, um, be cut in a certain order. And then I said, and the one patch is you got to it from the, you know, go, but I just went over the hill. He said, no, no, you can't do that. He said, you can't drive down through there. I didn't, I said, I didn't drive. I walked and sure enough, there is a footpath that they regularly use from the house to the last patch they cut. And he kind of freaked him out. Um, but that was one of the earlier ones. It was extremely accurate and extremely vivid. And just over the years, um, I've dreamt about people's houses that I've not been.

10:24Now, lightly though, those type of dreams tend to do more with the location. And sometimes I think there's an overreaching or overarching theme of it. But sometimes I think there's just something I'm supposed to know about that location, even though I haven't went to it yet. And, um, so, uh, there's a lot of them on hold, but they're in the back of my mind. And one of these days, I'll be on some public ghost hunt probably and say, oh, wow. This was that place. Why do you think you're getting, you know, information on these places? And what are you supposed to do with it? No, that is. That is a really good question. And I do not know the answer overall. Once again, I think sometimes, okay, I am a, I have developed into what I would call a light worker. So I think these are just things that are meant to keep that part of my,

11:25as the, the, the cliche is the third eye. In my case, because I don't use my psychic abilities all that often, it might just be an exercise that I'm put through to keep that part of my brain functioning, to keep me, uh, to keep me on track. Um, another case is, uh, you know, as a, as a light worker, I do go in sometimes and help people, uh, with paranormal problems. And many of my dreams have not been related to the case I'm going on in, you know, I don't dream about the house before I get there another one. Okay. But there will be, um, a, a, a lesson in a dream that sticks out of my mind, that applies to an upcoming case. Um, one in particular that comes to mind, I was going to a young lady, her son, we'd been to help her once before at another location. Her son was very young. And he was really, he was seeing little boy spirits and all this stuff.

12:27Well, later on, um, she had moved and she said it's not the same thing, but he's, he's having these experiences again. We all are. And so I'd already set up the appointment, but then I had a dream that something, in the dream was something very, very evil. Now I could not do anything to it, but I could hide from it and I could hide any, in the words, the people I could hide them. So when I got there, uh, to work with it, rather than do the normal house cleansing and everything that is associated with the type of work that I do, I said, you know, what? Let's hide the house. And you know, I did my little metaphysical bullshit, as I like to call it. Um, and, but the activity stopped. I, I think I was being told that that is something that I could do when whatever the entity is is not of a type that I can just bully around.

13:30How did you hide the house? What do you mean by that? I intent. Okay. I am going to be the first to tell you that I don't know if I just put on a really good show for people and convince them that I've done whatever it is I do or that I have some, um, otherworldly, uh, we'll call it magical metaphysical, um, ability to move energy around. Okay. But in the dream, um, you know, I tell you, tell me to use my energy to hide someone. And so basically that's what I concentrated on doing. I placed, um, I believe it was, uh, it was some little white crystal that I'd carry it around my pocket. And I used it on, on each corner of the house, but instead of thinking of it as a, as a any type of fence or a guard, I thought of it as a bubble, just a bubble that entities could not see through to find this family. And that's, that's what I did. It was all instinctual. It was nothing. I read in a book that I remember.

14:32It was just something came very instinctually to me and, uh, for, for better or worse, it worked for that. Yeah. So is it when, when you're doing that, is it a lot of, you know, visualizing with intent of, I'm going to put these crystals here and I'm going to visualize and send energy and in my mind, I'm going to place this bubble around this house and you're, you're thinking this, you're feeling this. Um, there's obviously no tangible way of showing it, but, but by doing that with your intent that, that ends up actually working. Yes. That's, that's a way I look at it. Now, I don't do it anymore because one thing, um, I just over the last few years, I've not been called on those cases. There's more psychics now that will take on the more scary cases. If you will, used to be there, your meetings and psychics wanted nothing to do with a family that actually wanted, you know, what felt afraid. Nothing might talk to their dead grandmother who stomping around the attic, but if they actually felt intimidated, you know, the psychics would say, I don't know

15:33about because they would fear that they would bring that home with them or whatever. So, um, but I, I was fairly busy for a while. And yes, I used to carry little rocks in my pocket, um, uh, a salinite, I believe the name of it. I used to carry a pocket full of them. And I felt that those stones absorbed enough of my energy just from being there, that they could carry that energy with them and then I could load them with my intent at the time, if you will, and carry that forward. Why did you choose to stop doing things like that? The main, okay, the main reason is I lost a lot of confidence, not in my abilities, but in myself, when my father passed away, um, I put all of my energy into making sure that none of the nastier entities that I encountered before used him to get to me. Now, I'm not saying anything told me I should do that.

16:34I'm just saying that's what I did. I instructed my spirit guides to watch over my father and to help make sure that when he passed, it was all peaceful, quick, easy, getting him out of the house, any moment's way. And I dislocated all of my intent energy into those last few months of his life. After he passed away, I did not feel as strong. Now, thank you for just pulling a psychic muscle. Um, however you want to look at it, I did not have that confidence going into it for a while. People would ask me, other, you know, psychics would try to, you know, would ask me to go with them on cases. And I said, I don't know that I'm ready. So, um, then it, that lasted a while, but then I, I had not to get back into it with a group out of Lexington, Kentucky, called spirit mechanics. I work with them still sometimes, but I've always considered myself a bit of a blunt object. In other words, I'm not the psychic that can come and, you know, uh, talk to the ghost directly and, you know, get those images.

17:40I am just, I, I am the blunt object. Um, I don't really take on, um, I don't do ghost hunting anymore. Um, if you think it's your grandmother visiting you, then I'm probably not the guy to call. So I got out of practice, if you will. Um, and once again, I didn't have to do it. People weren't asking me to do it as often. So, um, that kind of get put on the back burner and then all along now, I've been a podcaster for 15 plus years, uh, because I'd used it as a, as a learning tool. I was interested. Yeah, there, you know, there's still, there's only so many books and, and the, the people that write the books, a lot of times are just not the best sources, but I did feel like the people that are out there actually doing it, day to day, I could learn a lot from them. And so, uh, podcasting became a bigger, bigger chunk of a life. And I've kind of gotten to where, you know, it's a lot easier just to sit around and talk to him and give bad advice.

18:43Then it is to go out in the field and actually do the work. Tell me about it. Now, I mean, I, I never, I mean, I've, I've been curious about getting out there. I, it, it, it never has worked out for me time wise or children wise or any of that wise. Starting to do a little bit of it, but my main thing is always just been being the studio and, and hear the stories and kind of be the moderator for everybody to share their stuff over the years. It tell me about some of, of the nasty entities that you've come across. And let's, let's start with like kind of your first encounter with that. And then tell me about some of the other ones that, that you've come across over the years. Um, okay. First of all, I'm going to put out a blanket statement here and say most of the so called nasty entities that I have encountered are just basically douchebag ghost. Sure. There were assholes. We call them assholes on the, I like that. I like that. I'm going to use that go for it.

19:43Yeah. The, in other words, they were Dixon life, Dixon afterlife. Yes. Very first one, I encountered actually one of my first residential investigations. It was, um, in order before I even pursued my psychic side, um, the evidence we got, and the story we got from the homeowner, um, we couldn't find anything particularly evil. But she kept telling me, and she loved her ex-husband, but there was a reason he was her ex-husband. Sure. And so we did a little bit of putting two and two together. And, um, but the, the, the EVPs we got the evidence, what evidence we did capture in the field. And I had a psychic with me and she kept getting these emotions. And so, um, then, no, I got called back there a couple of years later after I had went into this part of the field. And then I was able to get a better grasp, at least from my perception of what was going on.

20:47And I just, once again, I just really felt like, um, he was a possessive dickhead in life. And that's what he was in the afterlife. Now, move forward, um, uh, Bobby Mackey's music world, famous haunted location in Kentucky. The, uh, the tour guide that used to work there, um, I and another psychic, uh, Terry Page, where they're on a, it was a public event slash ghost type thing. Um, but she, for whatever reason, she pulled us aside and, and picked us out of the crowd to talk to us. And she was very impressed with what we had to say. We'd worked together a few times. And so she said, would you all come back and basically talk to the ghost, uh, if you will. In other words, Bobby, now she gave it a lot more demonic type framing. And though where she believed that there was a lot more going on in there than I did. But we would go back and anytime that the activity would get what she would call out of hand or violent, you know, people getting push, shubs, scratched, whatever.

21:54Uh, this other psychic in myself, we're called in to go in and give the ghost a good talking to. And the way I always put it, I was always the father in the front seat saying, don't make me come back there. You know, don't make me stop this car. In other words, I, I didn't do that much, but I did throw my weight around, if you will. And it would quiet activity down for a while. So once again, whether it's me putting on a good show for the audience or, or I do really have that gift, it really doesn't matter because I'm getting results. Sure. Sure. And with something like that, I, I, we're dealing more so with, you know, the ghost or the spirits of a human. That's very nasty. Like you just said, uh, as far as being able to reason with them, if it's something that's not or not was not human, can you negotiate and, and, and have that sort of conversation with something that is truly evil and wasn't just an asshole.

22:58Okay, I'm going, I'm going to go down a deep hole here in my own personal belief. Cool. The, okay, when you're talking about worldly spirits, the general rule is yes, you can reason with them, you can threaten them. Little thing I tell my fellow psychic friends is that if you ever want to cross the spirit and they won't cross over, call their mother. Just, just gonna leave it there. Okay. Um, but um, once you get out of the, the standard ghost definition, then there's just a lot of different types of entities, if you will, the, a lot of them are classified generally as elementals. Uh, that includes fairies and gnomes and trolls and all the Native American spirits and a lot of those don't respond to the normal, um, reasoning that you might have because my general feeling on elementals in particular are they're not evil.

24:04They just don't care. In other words, they do what and if you piss them off, you know, it's not a grudge. It's just a matter of well, you piss me off. It's kind of like, you know, the old analogy of, you know, stepping on an ant. You know, they don't have anything against the ant personally, but, you know, um, they just don't worry about it. So now in my own personal belief system, I believe, and this is through dreams and meditation and even a couple of psychics that have told me that, um, these are what are following me around. In amongst my spirit guides, I am also blessed to have, um, a Native American spirit. And I do believe that basically when I encounter something that falls into that category, I just call on him and he handles it for me. Um, I believe that I have a fairy that that follows me around. Uh, when I encounter something that's more of that realm, I can ask the fairy to handle it for. Uh, I'll give her the instructions, but I don't, you know, I'm not bossing her by any means, but for whatever reason, I believe she has been assigned to me to do God's work, if you will.

25:15And, uh, so, um, I've never encountered anything that I would call demonic per se. Now, I do believe that certain human spirits. We'll go, I've called it devolving. In other words, they, whether it's making a deal with the devil or something natural that happens when you have a really shitty personality in life, I do think certain ones of those manage to get certain. Um, abilities in the afterlife that we can interpret as being, uh, evil or demonic. Okay. And so when, but though they still, they still seem to respond to the same, um, energy gifts that I believe a light workers like myself are blessed with. So in other words, uh, you know, I can, uh, my own thing and this goes against what a lot of psychics will tell you people can and cannot do.

26:20But then I take the psychic with me on an investigation and they say, well, maybe you can, but I believe that I can take an entity, in particular ghost, a human entity, I should say. If I don't like where they are, I believe that I can move them. And the, that comes in handy when you're trying to communicate with them and they don't want to communicate. And the other thing is, I think it kind of freaks them out sometimes. Well, it's interesting when you think of it, uh, if the idea that a deceased human being, that's on the other side. For example, uh, the Native American one that you were talking about. Um, I'm assuming you're referring that they were once living here on earth before they passed. Right. Correct. Okay. So if they can, uh, basically get abilities in a positive way of, of helping that they did not have in this life on earth, uh, one would assume that based on choice, if you're an asshole and you just can, you gravitate toward negativity in life and you continue to gravitate toward negativity and death.

27:27Maybe there's some bonus powers over there too on, on the opposite end of where the Native American is doing this in a positive way to help. Maybe there's things where, yeah, you know, the asshole uncle George over there. Uh, he, you know, did all these horrible things in life, but now yeah, he does have a little bit more power in death and able to do things and he could have done here. Doesn't make him demonic, but it's, he's just, he has more powers in death of being an asshole over there. And, and a lot, and, and now this does go to, um, certain TV shows. A lot of people, and honestly, uh, in full disclosure, a lot of churches teach this also. But a lot of people may encounter anything they don't understand that needle already get this swings over the red zone into the demonic zone. Sure. And so I, you know, I see that a lot. Um, that's not my personal belief system. It's not even something I was taught in church growing up. And I do have a very despite these little weird tangents I go in.

28:27My belief system is very, very Judeo Christian based. And so, um, but yeah, that's, um, with, with Native Americans, a lot of times what I felt that I've encountered is they weren't particularly happy with the white man when they passed away and nothing's happened in the meantime to change your mind. So, and that's what my spirit guides for. So there's still that, that feeling of, of what life was like for them and rightfully so of, of feeling, um, walk down and use. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where, and even, even short of that, just if you see somebody throw litter in the street, most people don't like that person at that moment. Now, if you're locked into that mindset for, we'll call it eternity, but I don't know the definition of what the afterlife is. Um, so yeah, if you're locked in that mindset, well, the, the, the white man came in here and, and pushed us off our land.

29:28Well, now if we can cause a little trouble for him, you know, screwing. Sure. Do you think it's just an opinion, obviously, always a pinion of, because it's all content. Oh, yes, no, that's what I believe says. Factually tell me what this has happened. Um, the, um, do you think that, that one on the other side, you said, you know, they, they almost devolved. And then there's people that evolve on the other side. Can one on the other side that has devolved, uh, have a awakening, if you will, and say, you know what, I've done a lot of horrible shit. I've been a bad person. I've been a bad ghost too. Can they change their ways at some point and go, I'm going to go back the other way. As I always like to say when I'm on, uh, investigations and I don't know the answer, I'll just say that's above my pay grade. Sure. My job, and then when I say my job, I don't actually get paid for any of this, um, my job given to me by, uh, God or the angels or however your interpretation might be, yeah, is to alleviate the problem.

30:35And this popped into my head one day. The golden rule of the afterlife is the dead may not interfere with the living. Now that's not, that's not the same as saying that they can't interact. They can't do whatever. But if their interaction creates a hindrance, then they've broken that rule. And people said, well, they broke a rule. No, you people speed all the time. People break rules all the time. But my job is at that point to be a, is, um, Mary, do you see it called me another psychic? She calls me a soul shareer. She says, deep in your heart, you know the laws. You know the rules of the afterlife. And your job is to enforce them. And usually when that happens, I call upon my guides and angels to. And for lack of a better word, arrest them. I never actually use that word when it happens, but, but to remove them in order to, some people crawl spirits, sometimes I just get them removed.

31:38And then what happens once they're removed, once they're through the light is none of my business. So when, when you're removing your spirit from a home that is essentially breaking the rules, right? It is interfering with human life. Uh, and you remove them from that home. Do they just go to another home and find somebody else to screw with? Or are you crossing them over? So to speak. I am, I concentrate on crossing them over. Now, my first line of, of, of interference, if you will, is just to go in and say, look, you don't want me to come back. Just shut up. Mind your, mind your manners, behave, whatever. Usually that works. I've got a restaurant here in town that called me and, uh, dishes were getting broken. They were seeing things, you know, it was really, uh, freaking them out. And so they called me in and I went in and had a good talk with everybody. And just for a spy and it's funny.

32:39Okay. Now, the entire story is, yes, the activity died down for quite a while, but the night after I left, the next morning, there was a broken, a bunch of broken dishes. In other words, it was kind of a, okay, fine, you know, temper tantrum on the way out. Now, did I remove that spirit? Absolutely not. I put no effort into removing that spirit. I just wanted them to behave. Then next time I came back, I, and this was probably a year later when they called me back in, this time I was more forceful with it and I did actually, I didn't remove anybody, but I, um, close some portals, if you will. In other words, I closed some doors so they couldn't come and go freely, um, around the neighborhood words. I can find them. And that seemed, and for, now, all the stories I got was that seemed to work. That seemed to make them, uh, the, the spirits realized that I could exert a certain amount of control. Now, whether they left their own volition, I don't know.

33:41I just know that I didn't get called back there. Interesting. Well, this is something that we kind of, uh, you, you've addressed or you've talked about many times here at our conversation, but we never really addressed it for the audience. Being a light worker, what, what does that mean to you? Okay. Now, I call myself a light worker because actually I, I, if it was left up to me, I would say I'm an energy worker, but if you go to psychic fair and say I'm an energy worker, people will ask you for a massage. Okay. And I just, that's not in my wheel. I don't like giving massages. Okay. I'd understandable. But as a, uh, but most time that there's kind of a crossover definition, and light worker doesn't, uh, bother me as much. I feel like I work with energy, but at the same time, one thing I do to cross spirits over, if you will, is I show them my light. Or I carry a light with me. God's light. Have you want to look at it? Sure. And so when I actually cross the spirit over, I concentrate on that light,

34:43getting bright enough, they can see it, they can see the doorway. And so that's why I've kind of embraced that term. A light worker in general, that is very similar to the definition. I think most of them would use that they are just there to bring God's light or spirit light or however they want to define their own theology to the deceased so that we can make it easier for them to cross over the way they were intended to do. You got to remember, see, part of this, and that might be why God chose me. I just had, I've always had this attitude that if ghosts were real, based on my Judeo Christian theology, that basically that's just people that didn't follow instructions. When it gets right down to it, when the light, when they passed away and the light shined, they just said, now I got other stuff to do. Okay. And, and, and I, now this is a personal belief, I believe, that further you are from death,

35:44the harder it is to find your way back to that light for whatever reason. They can't see it, they can't feel it. I do think it's always there, but they tune it out, if you will. Okay. And it's something that's always interested me of the whole idea that the dead need a person, a living person who has no experience on the other side, or at least conscious experience on the other side, that we're able to go and say, okay, hey, by the way, I know you are over there, but just go to the light. It's all good. It's like, like, there's the suggestion suddenly creates this portal and Scott Bakula walks out of it and says, yeah, come on in. I don't feel it said it's suddenly created. I think it's there and my job is to maybe enhance it. China flashlight laser pointer, whatever. And like I said, and then I found that calling, and I based this on the old ghost stories where, you know, when people would have a near death experience or a big, brought back, they'd say, well, my family was there, you know,

36:47you know, beckoning me, telling me, or telling me I had to go back, whatever. And I'm thinking, okay, if the family's there, then if I got to get rid of your ass, then let's call the family. And I found, and I just found that mother seemed to work even on the nastiest spirits. How interesting. When you have an ability like that, it's, is it something that you think, obviously, you said that, you know, you've learned how to tap into this. Do you think it's something that everyone has that just most don't ever tap to it? I think asking that is like asking an artist if everyone can draw. Sure. Sure, you know, yeah, everyone can draw, but yeah, but can they draw to that level? Right. And so, and now I, once again, I've never really, I've never really come to, in words, I've kind of taken it as a gift horse, if you will. Okay. I just, I just accept it that it's part of me. And, and, and do what I feel I'm asked to do.

37:50Can anybody do it? Probably, but once again, I didn't have the mindset that a lot of people just, like a lot of psychics, and I alluded to this before, say that, you know, you cannot cross over an unwilling spirit. I had, I had a psychic friend that he not passed away a few years ago, but he had heard my stories and he'd seen me in action, doing my stuff. And I always thought that, you know, he thought of me as a spiritual warrior, if you will. But then I caught an interview that was somebody asked him one night, and he said, no, you cannot cross an unwilling spirit. And it kind of hurt my feelings to be honest with you, because I felt that, you know, I could do that. I guess you could get into the language of it. You know, when, when, when they're truly unwilling, am I actually crossing them, possibly not by his definition, okay, removing them and crossing them may not have been the same thing.

38:50But to me, in order, but the, sometimes I can say, you can't make a ghost, do anything you don't want them to. Maybe I can't per se, but I have friends that can. Interesting. We were talking a little bit earlier about locations and, and places that you kind of store in the back of your mind that maybe you'll arrive there someday. Have you ever had a situation where you, you knew where you were looking at in this dream, but yet you have never been there yet. That is on the list of, I want to see how much this dream matches up to reality or, or other locations that you see, non-descript enough that it's hard to say where this was. I, because I've done so many, any residential, so when it gets right down to it, most houses look alike. Yeah. Sure. The one mistakes out of my mind that I still have not been to is I keep dreaming about some place.

39:50And it has like, I guess it would be like smelting furnaces on the lower level. That's fairly big place, but it has these furnaces and they're not for heating. It doesn't seem it seems like the more industrial, but, and I've, and there's several of them. I've never stopped to count them in the dream, but they're scattered around the lower level of whatever building this is. And I do feel like one of these days I am going to be walking in there and there's something that has been in those dreams that I haven't really picked up. I haven't really picked up on that is going to come in handy. But that's the one that sticks out in my mind as I dreamt about it probably hundreds of times and still have not been there physically. Do you plan on going sometime? Well, I mean, if I'm invited, yeah. That's another thing because of my the whole podcasting thing and then I work for the Scarefest Horror and Peronormal Convention doing their weekly YouTube show.

40:53I get a whenever I don't get invited to that many places as a celebrity, but when I do it's usually on that level. And so I'm like, I'm really expecting one of these days to get invited on the B or C card of some paranormal investigation. In other words, hey, it'll be Jason Halls and then three other people that you've heard of and didn't meet down at the bottom. Yeah. And yeah, but I and it'll be someplace and I'll go in there and yeah, you know, and it'll all ring true to me. And then that'll be another story that I'll have. Sure. Sure. That wraps up part one of our conversation with Wassin for two. What does being a light worker mean as he ever had a dream of a location? You know where it is. I've never physically been there and the ideology of it's the devil or demonic overuse quite a bit. Does Wessie any difference between trying to communicate with the dead through a Ouija board versus other modern tools?

42:02And how did Wess discover his ability to read tarot cards and what was his attitude then and now until next time for all of us with the Grave Talks. I'm Tony Versky. Thanks for listening. You You

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