Are You A Lion Or A Sheep? Lindsay Clancy's Case Declared A Mistrial

0:00This is a great show. Miss Trial. 12 Angry Men, the remarkable moment of a jury box where you have one lone hold out. The trial of Lindsay Clancy. It is Wilkane Country, normally streaming live every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern time where Wilkane Country YouTube channel, the Wilkane Facebook page, or you subscribe, Spotify or on Apple. And hang out with this at your leisure. Miss Trial. Fellas? Miss Trial. Okay, I want to talk about this Lindsay Clancy thing. So this is, I'm really hot to try on this for a couple of reasons. Right, I'm talking about reasons beyond the horrificness of the murder of three children and the public, whether or not we are going to live in a society where you face accountability,

1:04whether or not you get to say hormones and insanity absolve you of criminal responsibility. We've had that discussion, I'm interested in that discussion. We've also had the discussion of the public's reaction to this, how the public has consumed it, that there's a lot of people, the crazy people that are fully on the side of Lindsay Clancy. But even some of our viewers and listeners who get mad at me and say, I don't understand or empathize with her situation. We've had those conversations. This is what I want to talk to you about today. What the hell has happened in that courtroom, but more importantly, in that jury box. Now I want to tell you something. What I know, what we know, is largely predicated upon the words of defense attorney Kevin Reddington. Okay, Lindsay Clancy's defense attorney. Now should we trust what he's saying? Put that in your back pocket and you can return to it. Late yesterday and into today, Reddington has said in the courtroom that it's 11 to 1. He has suggested that the 11 are with him, not guilty by reason of insanity, and that one

2:09is holding out. Now if he is right, okay, then what you know is that one hold out is saying, I don't have reasonable doubt about her sanity. I believe the state has met its burden that she was saying, and by saying, we mean understood the consequences of her actions at the time she murdered three children, that the state has met that burden and the other 11 are going, no, they haven't. Now we don't know. Again, this is all predicated upon Reddington's, he's saying it in open court and outside the courthouse to reporters. He's also said that it's a male. The one is a male. Now there are some saying, where is he getting this information from? Well the answer is the jury note they sent yesterday, which I've had my staff by the way trying to track down, was that note read aloud in court because everybody's only relaying it through hearsay because he's read a lot into this note.

3:09He's read that it's a male, he's read that it is one hold out and that one hold out is keeping him from not guilty by reason of insanity. Almost every lawyer I've talked to is like, how can he know all that? He can't know all that. He can't know which way the 11 to one breaks. And in fact, the prosecution said that, but Patrick, he's so convinced that it makes me wonder what was in that note. And I really, really want to know how that note reads, right? Exactly. But the prosecution didn't feel that way. They didn't feel that way from the note. And a lawyer buddy of mine said, hey, man, just for the record, he could be doing a performance. He could be doing this. Yes, he could be doing that. Or he could be full of false confidence. He said, I've seen a ton of attorneys read jury notes as though they support their position. And he could be leaving there emotionally to that. Well, he is so certain that I've begun to accept his premise that it's 11 to one, acknowledging

4:13that I am accepting his characterization. And here's what I want to say, if that is true, I'm going to emphasize that again. If that is true, his characterization, that's wild. That's wild. Not that 11 people could come to the idea that she's insane, okay? But rather that one person would hold firm against 11. And you can flip it and I'd feel the same way. If there were 11 dedicated to, she's guilty of first degree murder beyond a reasonable doubt. And one going, no, I don't see it. I think there's a chance that she was insane and voting not guilty and sticking with it over six days. That's wild. Because here's what I believe. I believe that human beings are naturally heard animals, that we are consensus driven and that we are, and I don't mean to everybody is going to get personally offended when I say this, but okay, don't think I'm talking about you.

5:14It'll make it easier if you think I'm talking about somebody else. Mostly me. We're weak. We're weak. We give in 11 to one, we give in. I mean, I've played my mafia game. I've watched in the public sphere. I'm in the public persuasion conversation. I promise you. So I tweeted that this morning and one guy said something. Pervy goes, everybody says they do. Everybody says they're a lion until it's time to do lion shit. And this dude is a lion. Now this guy is presuming this guy is on his side of things. I don't even think you have to presume that. One holding out against 11. Just time to. I'm telling you. Like it. Holding out. Police and not budging and won't budge. It's like people confess to murder that they didn't do. That's why they didn't do nature stuff because they're sitting in a police station so long. Just to get out of there. Yeah. 100% people will sell themselves out on false confessions. Exactly. I'm just telling you this is so what's up?

6:15What if it's that? What if that one hold up is like my gas. No, I mean, Ed saying what if the holdout is doing it for the potential fame of it all? But if you believe something so hard, why would you change? I mean, you can potentially put that kind of motivations on this person because I'll tell you right now I want I want that person on my show. Everybody does. Everybody does. I want to talk to that one person for sure. But I can't rob them of conviction either. I can't rob them that they might believe this. In fact, I find it admirable. I find it admirable. Very admirable. Even if and this is the hard part guys. What if it's the other way? Are you going to feel the same way? Everybody's like time to do line shit because you think you're accepting Reddington's characterization that the one is going hell with this. She's guilty of murder and the 11 are like no, she's insane and not guilty.

7:16What if it's flipped? And I would tell you my position would be the same like wow, that one person stood there with conviction against the 11. That's still line shit. It might be wrong line shit, but it's still lying. I'm telling you man, and I have another friend who's attorney that responded to me. It's more common than you think. Honestly, with all due respect, I don't think so. I don't see it in my world. I don't see it in the world. You put 11. You put 12 people in the room and everybody's like, I'm a contrarian and I like you say that. You say that and you may do that online. That's not what I'm talking about. That's not the same thing. Being a contrarian, being a stick in the mud online, it's not the same thing as facing pressure and faces day after day. I'm just telling you, but that's a movie. Whatever drama is going on in the courtroom, what's going on in that jury room is a freaking

8:21movie. But say you have, you're that one person you have this opinion and you think she's guilty of murder and should. And then you just act, we asked the rest of the group just to get out of there. How do you live with yourself knowing that you still believe you could have done something about it that she should go away from murder? People do it all the time, Dan. So you just compartmentalize that for the rest of your life. Yeah. And that seems harder. 100% humans work. Well, they say stuff like my life's important. You know what I'm saying? Right. I got to get back to my life. I don't want to be here anymore. True. You know, there's all kinds of justifications for giving in. And the rest of the crowd will give you the justifications. The 11 will give them to you. Come on. Let's get out of here. Yeah. Come on, man. You know, this one thing. I'll give you every justification you need. Patrick, you doubt Reddington's characterization. Is that what you're saying, a minute ago, you're like, yeah, like why? Why does he know? I do think that the rebuttal is why does the prosecution not feel the same way? But here's the other thing, Patrick, he is fighting tooth and nail to keep this from

9:26being declared a mistrial. Fighting tooth and nail. And if it's 11 to one the other way, he should want the mistrial. You know, if he's on the verge of first degree murder, then the mistrial becomes a victory for him. So what happens next? If he's on, but if he's on the verge of not guilty by reason of insanity, if he's one vote away, then mistrial is a loss for him. And he's trying to get rid of that juror to get an alternate in. He is behaving. My point is he is behaving as though he is telling the truth. I just don't know how he has that information in the first place. Like, you know, I can also feel like this is this is jury intimidation in some ways, where it's like, you know, this person is actually standing strong for six or seven days. Yeah. How the hell is he able to know these things? Yeah. Right. I believe that's true. Now, they're admonished not to go home. They don't see a lot of stuff he's saying, the jury, theoretically, they don't see this

10:27stuff. They're not in the room when he's saying that stuff on TV in the courtroom. And they shouldn't be seeing his interviews outside. The judge would admonish them not to be paying attention to social media or television, but the reality of the world is right. The reality is they're seeing it all and it amounts to intimidation. That pays you back to how wild this is. That this one juror is like, nope, don't care. Not budging, you know? So totally wild. Yeah, what happens next though with the mistrial? I'm not familiar with this. Well, prosecution, the state would choose whether or not to bring it, bring the charges again, but they could just not what are they're already prepping it. They could not. They could not. That's for sure. Wild to me. Yeah, let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Wilkane Country. This whole thing is wild. All right, it looks like it's on the verge of mistrial in the case of Lindsey Clancy.

11:29Logic, I love logic. I love debate. I love rhetoric. I love the idea that one can spring an intellectual trap on someone else. And I love, for example, what we've shared in the past week about Will Chamberlain exposing the absurdity of reparations. I love to see someone's brain at work and to best, in like a chess match, someone else's brain. But then there are times when you're watching it unfold and you realize there's not one way to win. There's not one skill to master. Roy Swite, who's declared himself eligible for the WNBA recently appeared on a podcast, a podcast that often features people who are not exactly masterclassmen, chess masters at logic. In this case, this podcast has impaneled roughly half a dozen trans women, men who have decided to pretend to be women.

12:29And invited on this podcast as well is Roy Swite now identifying as a woman so that he's eligible for the WNBA going by her Roy, she's not white, dead naming her. Going by Roy, she's white. Here is Roy, she's white. OK. Well, you dated they've had also your relevant, your careers washed up and that's what you're doing. I'm sorry, what's your name? My name is Marcy. You're totally making your mocking actual, hardworking athletes in the WNBA, these hardworking women's and it's insulting to them, it's insulting to trans people who you're also mocking with your actions. What would you say first, you said I'm washed up in a relevant? Yes, you are. That's why you're doing this. You're doing it as a stunt, this is life crisis. How do you know? How do you know who I am if it's irrelevant? What? I only know about you because you're doing a stunt. It's like a gas, this is like a last gas, so if you're career, that's why you're doing this. Well, Roy, how's it going?

13:29Well, that's, that's, hey, wait a second, that's, hey, that's, hey, and that's, hey, why are you being transphobic? Wait, wait, wait, please, it's not disrespect a beautiful black queen like Roy, OK? And secondly, you appear to be white, OK? So watch your white privilege. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good question. That's racist, bigotry and not seizing. And it's, it's genocide. What you're doing is erasure and you got to watch your white privilege. Checkmate. He his technique was not a logic trap. His technique was not a masterclass in chess. His technique was to meet the debate on its own battlefield and he threw in genocide for good measure. He rattled off every single buzzword, normally marshaled by the trans activists and lobbed those grenades directly back behind enemy trenches. And there's nothing to say at that point. What is this trans white dude going to do when confronted with a bigger oppressive victim

14:32class who has now pulled out the white privilege, bazooka. His ramp up is a work of art. It's cinematic. That's hate. First of all, that's hate. That's hate. You are coming from a place of white privilege, which is not seism. It's really genocide and you have endeavored in an act of your erasure. Nothing left. In the game of oppression, you, my lady friend, have been checkmated. And you see the reaction is no, no, no, that's not what you're doing. No, no, no, no, that's not what you're doing. But it is. And their heads are just explode. I don't know what to do. It's a non-rebuttable proposition. And that's what's awesome about it. When trans or any victim class marshal these buzzwords, which amount to ad hominim attacks,

15:35they're non-rebuttable. People can often be reduced into a sputtering. I'm not racist. But no, not roisha white. Roisha white says you are the Nazi engaging in a racial and genocide. Defense, retreat, back to the trenches. Dunk. We all of a sudden realize our guns have no ammo. Run, retreat. What are they going to do when there's nothing left to argue? It makes me think like when I do debates all this. Like, you see, like, you know, Ben Shapiro is really good at it. He wouldn't have done this. You know what I mean? It's like, we've reached that that's the thing about it. Like, this type of adversary actually can't be beat on the logical battlefield. You can't spring the trap because they're not on that battlefield.

16:36They're on a different battlefield. And Roisha white brought the right weapons. Well, it's very much like the one that what Matt Wallace does. He puts people into these positions where they have to explain themselves out of it. I think it's different than what she's a logical. Yeah, what is a woman? You know, that's a logical trap that they get sucked into because they're incapable of following the logical strain. White just met at hominem for ad hominem. That's all he did, you know? And honestly, had he been white, I don't know that it would have worked as well. You know, he had to be from a bigger, oppressed class. Correct. But he even referred to himself as a beautiful black woman. And your white and you can't comment what I do. So stop it. Right.

17:37It's awesome. You didn't see the same level of intellect, I fear, from Ryan Reynolds was a new movie out and titled Mayday. I saw it last night. The reviews on Ryan Reynolds are really bad. I don't know if it's my social media algorithm, but the reviews on Ryan Reynolds are really bad. Like him as a person? Yes. Yeah, it's the black lives. Which is wife, it's like, lightly thing, but also like he's starting to seem a little more fake than what people thought he was. I think because. Yeah, it's not just the black, loudly thing. I think I feel like I've seen videos from people who were purportedly worked with them on set, purportedly carrying a lot of weight here. Right. But say, like ask the question, who's the fakes? And it's it's it's Ryan Reynolds, they say, you know, like he basically incorporated the Van Wilder character into his character at large, but it's not really who he is. What about the Socrates? Not so pleasant.

18:37I thought people liked him for that. I don't know, I don't watch that. Does he come off real good in that? Yeah, yeah, I think. Yeah, I mean, he's saved the entire like club and, you know, people seem to love him. And Rob McElaney is just a sweetest, so by comparison, and next to him, he seems that way. So I don't know, by all accounts, he in that regard, he is a nice guy, but who knows? He's also Canadian. Here is. Here is Ryan Reynolds on his promotional tour for Mayday. The 80s was a brutal, brutal time for people. It was a mess. And like, you know, people forget that it was like that was a tremendous strike, political tensions everywhere. You know, we're still like pretty fresh off like a Cuban missile crisis, which is only like 15, 20 years before. So, you know, it's a tumultuous period, but you look back at it now and you're like, oh, yeah, top gun cocaine. Like, no, it was like a really scary. So he's trying to make the point that we look at, we look through the lens of history

19:42and flatten it out and see it through the filter of nostalgia. And he's kind of trying to argue that the 80s weren't as great as everybody now pretends that they were. I think that he's wrong. Look, of all of us here, I think I'm the only one who really has memory of the 80s, who grew up in the 80s. And now I will tell you that the Cold War did still loom for us in the 80s. Like, did you guys ever live with the Cold War? Hmm. I was 88. I was born. Are you so, so yeah, I mean, technically, but not really. Yeah, but not really. I didn't know it until I learned that. I mean, I don't mean where you born. But, you know, I will say, I, I, I, maybe human beings do this about their own lives as well. You look back at previous time periods. Yeah, we all do this and say that was better. That was better. 90s were better. 80s were better. And so forth. But I think I'm being fairly objective when I say Ryan Reynolds is full of shit.

20:46Like, the 80s were genuinely pretty good. On almost every objective metric, the 80s were good. Um, the one thing I remember about the 80s that he's a little bit alluding to is the Cold War. Like, that was a thing. We were afraid of Soviets. We were afraid, we didn't say Soviets as much as we said Russians. And they were the bad guys in the movies, you know, Rambo, going up against the Russians. And we did have in our heads the potentiality of nuclear war, you know, that life. I mean, it was possible. I don't even remember Ed your mic. Did we do drills? I remember in school some type of drill where it wasn't natural disaster-related. I feel like did we like get under our desks or go like it's going to save us from nuclear fallout? Or was that all tornado related in Texas? Uh, tornado. Was it just tornadoes? I just remember thinking like, that's a thing. Like nuclear war, cold war, Russians, that's a thing. Right. And it sort of loomed in the background for us.

21:48But the illusion to the Cuban Missile Crisis. No, dude, come on. I mean, it's fine when we're talking about people. I remember not in the love of them. And in 62. Yeah, that's pretty good. Right. I didn't grow up really knowing about the Cuban Missile Crisis until I cared about history, you know, and started caring about. But like, it's not a part of your psyche in your life. Like, what is he talking about? We were afraid of getting aids. He was super rough because of the Cuban Missile Crisis. I mean, the AIDS epidemic too. But only in certain experiences. Yeah. Well, okay, so the AIDS epidemic comes long in the late 80s. Like, it doesn't really. Right. Unless you're gay. And even if you're gay, I think you were operating in mystery for a long time. Like, people really kind of didn't know what was going on. Right. But like, they didn't know what it was. It was late 80s. It was late 80s, early 90s, where like, AIDS became something super scary.

22:49Like, remember the story of the kid who got AIDS? Did he get it from a blood transfusion? That's what they said. heterosexual kid, obviously. I don't know why I say obviously, because the kid sexuality wasn't at play. And he got it, I think, from blood, Ryan was his first name. And then everybody was really scared. It's like, oh my god. That's straight care, you don't eat anybody. Yeah. But, no, even even, even crack. Yeah, it tracks another thing from blood transfusions. What? Now? Are they testing for AIDS? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, for sure. Okay, for sure. You can't even fight MMA without getting tested for it. Okay. Just want to make sure. Maybe those are hovers' witnesses are onto something. By the way, where are we on AIDS? Like, we're, I think AIDS is not a death sentence. The medicine for HIV is great where you can have no,

23:52you, it doesn't show up at all now. It keeps it on a non-transmissible, which I think they had for a long time. It was very expensive and not available to everyone. But now it's more widely available. So you can have, it is kind of while to think about how big AIDS was and how not, not, I don't know. But I think, I do see the commercials like you're talking about Dan Leichord. It's seen, I mean, magic Johnson, whatever we take from that. But like, you know, you can live your life fully with AIDS, not AIDS, HIV. HIV, right? Without it getting close to even. It's almost like, it's almost like herpes. Like, it's, I'm not trying to reduce its potential threat to the level of herpes, but I'm saying, yeah, you're going to have it. But it's really not going to change your life outside of this medicine you have to take. On a consistent basis, right? I do. And I don't know which, but I didn't have to see these commercial. If somebody's listening and knows and they're like, yeah, but do you know what that medicine does to you? Okay, that could possibly be very true. Could be a harsh medicine.

24:53You know, it's funny. There's a guy used to work with very lefty and he did a reaction video to this Ryan Reynolds situation. And from the lefty perspective, and he goes, if you, if your first reaction to seeing this Ryan Reynolds video is just that, well, what's he talking about? It's all about nostalgia than you're wrong because it's not everyone's lived experience. And so you're lucky you didn't have to go through crack and AIDS and all the stuff. I was just like, that's interesting. Yeah, but dude, we're speaking on the, even when I was talking, I was thinking, you know, okay, some, some 55 year old black guy who grew up in the hood, could be going, what are you talking about? Crack was a big part of the reason. In fact, the my life force, somebody who's gay, who's listening to be like, what are you talking about? HIV. And I get that and I'm not erasing your life experience, but we can speak on the whole. We can speak on the average, right? Like, you know, you could look at any decade and go, that was rough on that one group. So don't speak that it was great. Yeah, of course, you can do that at any time, you know, what it may be. But on the whole, on the average, for the average American, economically,

25:57rights, culture, like, I don't think Ryan Reynolds has a lot of ground to stand on to go. The 80s were really rough. Yeah, I think you needed a little clip for the movie for the. Maybe it was rough. He was in Canada, so it was probably much tougher. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can't speak to Canada was like in the 80s. Yeah, right. A lot of genes. I can't speak to that. Right. What was the best, what was the best decade? Well, I always grind these. I think the 90s were great. You know, it's funny. What is best for now? Because the greater economic problem. I think Patrick decided today that he's not going to be boxed out. Yes, he is just going to. That's what happened. We have things to say. A thousand. He's going to jump in in the middle. And I love it. I feel like a train that keeps hitting a pebble. Why is my train not moving smoothly? And it's that he has decided to be aggressive today. And it's making for a bumpy ride. Am I alone? Nope, you're right. Is it bumpy? Is it just me?

26:58Is it? Just trying to, you know, keep on. Should be heard, Will. Instead of like, you know, just moving off a topic that we have like tons of meat on the bone here still. Oh, wow. Instead of hosting. Instead of hosting. Stop hosting, Will. Yeah. Don't take control of the show. The 10-Foyle Pat Show featuring Will. Yeah. Like your favorite. Remember the delicious as best. Now I'm going to divorce myself from the previous analysis of on the average, on the whole for the average American. I have had nostalgia for a decade. I did not experience much of. And I always sort of had this thing in my head. I do too. That the 70s would have would have been cool. And I don't know why. I was alive. Like you guys were alive for the 80s. I was only alive a little bit for the 70s. But there's something about. And it's not the disco BG's version of the 70s. It's more like the. The marijuana. Um, Janice.

27:59Well, it's like the Janice Johnson show. 70s. Is that the country music 70s? Yeah, that's cool. Like I love that. Like Willie Whalon. That 70s. That's that's his 80s. Oh. Um, that's when it gets a little popier. I love cany, but he's more poppy there. That 70s country's rougher. It's outlaw country. Yeah, so you're going to ride a Harley with some tassels. Let's take a quick break. But we'll be right back on Will Cain Country. Like and they were making movies like the Godfather. Yeah. They think they think that's like they made really good movies. They came out with good music. On the flip side, I know that they had like. Gas lines. You know, you had to wait in line for two hours to get gasoline. And the economy wasn't great in the 70s. It's like, and all free love baby. And on more. Vietnam war was there for the first part of the 70s. So it's not like I can look at this on the average and go, Oh, yeah, I bet the 70s were awesome. But for me, the 70s feel like the frontier.

29:00Like you still could live a wild life. And then everything got a little tame after the 70s. That's kind of been nostalgia for me. I'm 60s. Rock and roll started that era. The birth of all types of music. Just being around that seems cool to me. I crave the 60s and just to be able to experience that seriously. You just want to not have to show. The 60s are a little too hippie for me. Not hippie. The 70s are there in the 70s. No, what do you think he was? What's what's the hippies like 72? 71. I think he could be 68. Yeah, one of the Beatles do the whole, um, like India thing. Like 67 68. Was it really? Yeah. So I think of them, I think of the early 60s, I guess, like the mod era and rock and roll starting like, Eric Clapton and see in my head it goes 50s into early 60s is quintessential wonder years. It's it's good stuff like this is actually what we want for society and what we want for ourselves.

30:05It's a family. It's madman. It's sitting around the dinner table. It's Kevin in love with Winnie Cooper. You know, it's that. And then the 60s start to like throw bombs into that equation. Yeah, now now the 60s yet feminism. You got some hippies. You got this rock and roll breaking through and it's tumultuous and it's also for some reason in my head a little Affeminate. It starts to come in and everybody's wearing their bell bottoms and their flowers and things like that. I'm like, guys were in heels. I don't think I would have I don't think I would have been an early adopter hippie. I think I look at that and I'm like, that feels a little effeminate. We're not doing the San Francisco thing. You're not the transformed version. Then what happens is all the like straight laced dudes, the captain, the football team kind of go. Some of these hippie girls are kind of hot and they're actually having a lot of fun. And they're like, I'm going to throw my hair out a little bit but I'm not going to stop wearing cowboy boots. And I'm going to take my country or my rock and roll and I'm going to jazz them up a little bit.

31:08And then boom, you got 1973 and I think that's where I land right there. 73. All right. You see what I'm saying? That's a good progression. Yeah, but the problem is all my all my heroes of that time. So like Chris, Chris offers. I think they did keep the lefty part of the head. What were the Cowboys like back then? Oh. Well, the Cowboys didn't start until what year like late 60s. But they were winning Super Bowls by seven. What was the first Cowboys Superbowl mid 70s? 75? For yourself a fan? 75 and 77. I'm actually back in 1972 over the dolphins. 72. Okay, yeah. You're right. I'd be great. I have to. Dawba Captain America 70s. Love it. Well, real quick. I don't want to leave any meat on the bone in Boxamau. What are you going with 90s? Do you have any? Hell yeah. You go with 90s. 90s make the most sense.

32:09Like, I'm already living. I'm a peak 90s guy. If you said what is your decade of coming up, mine's 90s, right? Yeah. That's 15 to 25 for me. And I liked the 90s. They were good. You got Nirvana and Grunge and Pearl Jam and all that coming along. Right? But I don't know that it could be number one. I mean, I lived it flat out. It was good. But why is it number one? It was fun. Everything was made for men. It was made for men. It was an era of men. His name was extreme. Everything was extreme. The colors were vibrant. The music was great. Even like if you think about the top 40 music, most of it was alternative rock in some regard. Technology was exciting. It was on the verge. We're getting the internet. We're getting beepers, cell phones. You know, that was starting. But it wasn't late 90s. Overwhelming 90s. Late 90s. But it wasn't overwhelming us. In 90s, late 90s. Not counting beepers.

33:09Carphones were, you know, been 90s. Yeah. I mean, we had producers earlier. 92, you know, like 91, 92. So it's like you had like this, you say, knowledge is exciting. We had a good economy. They were a bummer. We're computers were a bummer. They were a work tool. Nobody wanted to be around a computer. Not for us. We had CD-ROM, man. We were like, we were like 10 and learning the code. We like computers. Yeah, CD-ROM. And what was that little mind sweeper game? I can't remember that. With a hell of a mind sweeper. I had a Commodore 64. You were the wrong age though. You were working age. Working age. Well, you were in California. Not really. That's 90s is high school in college for me. Yeah. And then it's in and in law school. In fact, I was in school for the entirety of the 90s. That's for 10 years. No, but like we play Oregon Trail. We go to the computer lab and they play Oregon Trail and stuff. You know, like we it was a good time. Yeah, we learned how to like do that. We were the generation learning how to do things. Then we really got older and grew up in 2011.

34:11The 9-11. Yeah. That was a real tragedy. I do think people over romanticize the 80s. Like I did not dig the 80s music. Even when I was like, I was like, this is the cure. Like Smith? Yeah, 100% the Peshmo, Duran Durant, all that. I was like, I don't know what everybody's doing, but I'm not into this. Forget the care about it. I like it better now, Dan. Yeah. I like it better now. I dug than I did at the time. I like tear metal. I like to poison and motley crew. That's gross. And those kind of things. But I didn't like all that. What do you call that? New wave. We called it new wave back in the day. New wave. Yeah. Joy Division. It's so good. Oh, God. All right. I want to go to a I like this one the most. Patrick, this is what you sent him. All right, from Reddit. Want to swear more with friends. Here's how it reads. Okay, this might sound very stupid to a lot of you,

35:12but I have a friend group of five. And I do not swear very often in this group. I really want to swear more just because like, I want to to be honest. I want to joke with swear words and stuff like that. But the problem comes from the fact that I use it to be honest. I want to joke with swear words and stuff like that. I usually never swear. Even back in school. It's kind of a thing of mine to not swear. But I regret that so much. I want to now. I know this sounds kind of corny. And you might think I'm very young. But this is a very serious problem. I've been actually frustrated over. My friends will be very confused and weirded out. Not a bad way, but more of a confused way. If I start swearing a lot now, it might not be able to take it seriously. Because I remember trying this before years ago and had a friend tell me to stop because it felt weird. So I did. Despite this stupidity of what I've written, this is something I really do want to change. And I will take all the advice from you lot. Okay, I probably brought this.

36:12This is interesting. That's British. Yeah, I think so. The way you who says you lot in America. There's swear words are different. Okay, so first you read this and you're like, just swear dude, you know, or whatever. And you want to like make fun of him for not swearing. But I get what he's saying. There's got a lot of angles to this. Let's stick with it. He was the dude that didn't swear. They all did and they got to know him as the dude that didn't swear. And then if you all of a sudden start dropping F bombs, they're like, what are you doing? That doesn't fit you. That's not you don't do that. You sound weird. And he's like, yeah, but I want to. And they're like, no, that's weird. And I totally get that dynamic. He's trapped by a choice of who he wanted to be earlier. Now, here's the wrinkle. You made the right choice. You actually should stick with your original choice. No. No. That's what I'm thinking. I mean, you can't change the dynamics of a friend group. That's just a big no-no. It doesn't, it doesn't work well.

37:12Everyone's got to play their role. You can't be doing that. You can't be doing that. What if he said, I don't drink early on. And then later he's like, I really want to drink. But every time I do, they're like, what are you doing, dude? You don't drink. That's a big one. Did they drink? No one would say that though. I'm happy. Yeah, they drink. You're right. They're drinking it. I'll be like, yeah, they drink it. Finally. I had to think of it like this show. Like, we don't curse on the show. So, but like then they said, we could. But I still don't curse on the show. Sure. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Actually, one time I got on the edge, he can do it. But listen, I curse. I do. I don't even like that I said curse. I curse. And I don't like it. Honestly, I don't like it. I tried to do it less. I don't like it. I love it. I love it. I'm not going to apologize anymore. Listen. Don't.

38:12Be yourself. But you're less interesting because you're defending your choice. I am criticizing my own choice and telling you what I objectively think is better from an outside perspective. Right? So, you are holier than now as a cursor. I'm telling you that I'm a hypocrite. And what I'm telling you is that it's better to not be a cusser. That's what I truly believe. I don't think it reflects well. I don't. I think it's fun and I think it's a crutch and I do it. And I think that there are times when it's the perfect emphasis on a moment or a statement or a sentence. It can be a good punctuation mark dropped here or there. But that being said, I think it generally does not reflect well on the speaker. And I am one that does it. I'm telling you.

39:13I'm not like patting myself. I do it. But I do know why. Generally, generally, it's a crutch. It's either a verbal crutch that you have, a lack of vocabulary, or a pretense of coolness crutch. That's what I think. I think when people are cussing gratuitously, they're doing it mostly for one of those two reasons. But it's also super necessary. It's a cool, super necessary. It's a real cheap, doesn't have a lot of currency. Cool point that you put out on the table. Do you see what I'm saying? I'm cool. I'm cool. Yeah. Or the right moment, you need the emphasis. So using swears in the right term, but it feels like a young man's game, like swearing a lot. It feels like you do that when you're like 20, 25. You know, the older I get, the less I try, the less I try, it is it's a habit. I know. It truly is a habit.

40:13Especially around new people. Like if I'm at the bar, we're out to dinner with somebody like, even if there's guys and we're, you know, being guys, whatever, I'd try not to as much. Because I do think the same. Like it is just not necessary. And people think about you a certain way or something like that. But I could be on a high risk. I do think the one thing it serves a purpose on is it establishes a level of informality, intimacy and anger and comfort with another human being that should be, this is what I would say, should be reserved for that actually. Like don't go into mixed company and do it. Don't go into places where you shouldn't be comfortable. You shouldn't be informal and do it. So it's like, and I think everybody kind of intuitively does that. Like you don't do that around strangers, you know, and you don't, but then you see one of your boys and you go, what the episode bro? And you're like, oh yeah, yeah, we're not putting on pretenses or something like that. There's a little utility in that.

41:13Do you know what I'm saying? And you're like, okay, we're, we're all we're all happy with you a little bit. And being when I first started working with you, like the first time you saw you in person, you like swore around me, I was like, all right, I'm in. Like I felt that. You know what I mean? He's comfortable enough to swear around me like, all right, I'm good. He trusts me. Now we can be cool. Now I don't think that you should be going around cursing around kids and stuff like that. Like when you're in a mall and there are teenagers at one table and they think that they can go do that crap. I do the wrong. I don't think that's right. Yeah, I mean, and I try not to do it around my kids, but there's certain words today that I look out. But yeah, same Patrick. And then I have and I'm like, why would you do that? And that's really not cool. And I still want to swear around. I'm still not sure I'm going to run my mom's ever to this day. Let's take a quick break, but we'll be right back on Will Cain Country. Okay, I want to, I want to hit two other things really quickly.

42:15Hunter Biden. I texted you guys this this morning. Damn it. He's pretty charming. You like him. You like him. Play though. I don't know what your two clips are. Which one is this Dan? What do you have? Just one after the other talking about Tapper. Okay, well then you can say, well, you're doing this because you don't like Tapper. But that's not why this appeals to you. I'll tell you why. Well, listen to this. And by the way, he's with the buffooned on lemon play. Were you friends with Jake Tapper? No, not what I knew Jake forever. I've known Jake for 25 years. How'd you feel about the book? I think that Jake is a complete and utter asshole. I think that he is a really poor journalist. And beyond that, I don't think he's a very decent human being. As a person, I don't like Jake. And so I guess what normally someone when asked a question like that, like me is supposed to say,

43:19is like, oh, well, you know, here's how I feel about it. I think he's full of it. That's what I think. Wow. Okay. Bob. Okay, I like his answer a lot. And not because I don't like Jake Tapper. First, okay, I think he's right. I think there are two ways to answer this question, both which come with suspicion. That are less than honest. One avenue that a person could, and by the way, the question is bullshit because Buffoon knows the answer. Buffoon wants him to talk bad about his former colleague. I know that to be. Why would he, that even occurred to you, right? So Hunter could do the politically correct thing. And like he suggests, he could say, you know, oh, you know, I've known Jake a long time, you know, disagreed with a lot of his work. While secretly saying thinking, I hate Jake, right? And a lot of people would do that for whatever reason.

44:21They don't want to get into an online fight. They don't want to have public beef. Whatever. A lot of people do that. Well, Hunter decides I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to be real. The other type of person is the one that is actually looking for the viral clip. And we are chock full of those people right now that they know the soap opera of social media and media personalities is good for attention. And they would do it. And they do it for that reason. And you can almost feel it when somebody's doing that. Do you guys know what I'm talking about? I mean, right wing, left wing. They're all doing it all the time. It's like this whole thing has turned into a high school lunchroom. I don't think Hunter's doing that either. I don't think he cares about like, I don't think he gives an advantage in the thing he truly feels this way about Jake, Jake Tapper. And he's like, you know what? I think he's, I don't think he's a very good person. I don't think he's a good journalist. You'd say to Jake's face too, I bet. I think he's a very good person. I bet he would too. Right to. Yeah, I think he would. Yeah. If you think he's this charming now, and he's getting,

45:21imagine how fun he was when he was drinking and doing crack. How much more charming. That's probably very charming. Yeah. Yeah, he could have not so charming. He didn't have to pay for it. Yeah. But he got a nice job to pay for it. That's true. I mean, he charmed his way into a real nice gig. Walter, he's nothing. Yeah. Then nobody will ask him about today. Mark is this point. No one will ask him about it. He's on every podcast. If he was a lot, I'm going to be like, he's literally except for this one, except for this one. He's on every podcast in the world. And no one has asked him about what did you do for Burisma? Why did you get that job? Yeah. I like him. Yeah, but he's your run for president. Let's go to Patrick. Patrick, listen. San. It's very, he's kind of like anarchist. That's why now he just like, he just forget the system. I don't care. I'm going to be who I am. He's dirty. He's corrupt.

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47:23Patrick, in your initial text to me, you said you had the good good ad. But then you followed up and it looked like you didn't. Do we have the good good ad? We should. Yeah. Okay, so here's the story. I have not kept up with this story, but it has been lurking in the background of my attention for a while. Good good, which is a golf company. What does good good do? They make drivers? Yes, I believe they make clubs. I think they just make clubs. Not really sure exactly. Okay, good good good golf CEO and president are out at company and latest turn in advertisement firestorm. So the story is good good put out an ad and it offended everybody. And their main client is Callaway. So they must make clubs for Callaway and Callaway has ended the contract with good good. The two guys are out to clarify they make golf fun golf entertainment videos. Yeah, they're not. So I think they were working with Callaway drivers on an entertainment video.

48:27Oh, they're like a marketing firm. They're like do they're a golf marketing firm. Yes. Okay, all right, and they made this ad, which is now made everybody very mad. Do not touch my new driver. Yikes. Is that the whole ad? That's it. It's like 15 seconds. Yikes. Really? Yeah. That's the first time I've seen it. And? That's the first time I've seen that ad. Okay, for anyone listening, um, ladies about to touch the driver in a bag and dude comes up and shoves her from behind. She falls down. Leanne's over and says do not touch my driver. Why use some oil and Patrick? Do you actually think it's funny? Dan's laughing. Dan's laughing. I'm trying not to laugh. I just like, why would you do that?

49:29Like, what are you doing? No political correctness. I have no political correctness about this whatsoever. It's not funny. Yeah, I don't think it's funny either. So, so it's supposed to mimic what they said is it's supposed to mimic obsession. I guess there was a movie called obsession. I never saw it, but like it's supposed to be like a play on that. I've seen it. That's nothing like it and that's stupid. So it's really not a good excuse. No. Should I watch obsession, Dan? You would not like it. I promise you. Okay. Yeah, don't do it. So everybody's really upset because he pushed a woman, right? Yeah. So it's like it looked like a domestic violence. It's like what not to do. By the way, I don't think do we call that domestic? What does domestic mean? That's just assault, not domestic assault. True. Domestic means like you know, it's a relationship in a house. Unless they're a relationship. You don't have to be in the house. They can be between two partners outside of house anyway.

50:29Fair, but they got to be in a relationship. Yeah. Not every act of violence between a male and a female is considered domestic, whatever. So the partnership aspect? All right. So he pushes a female and everybody's super, super mad. I saw you reference this Patrick. Do you want to draw the analogy to Terry Cruz? Oh, yeah. So recently there's this video going around. People are going, well, I hope people don't bring up this ad from ESPN with Terry Cruz from, I'm going to say early 2000s. So go ahead and play it. You know, you can't bring that wig up. I've been this happy bumpy. You killed it, Joe. You make some noise. Now that's funny. That's Terry Cruz back in the day. He's like dressed like an NFL linebacker. He's wearing the full pads and everything. And he's what the office enforcer at ESPN when he has been did the fun commercials. And he's running around the office just freaking

51:32spearing, hitting him square in the chest. If they've done some office violation, like if you drink the last cup of coffee, you make a new pot of coffee type thing. And then you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you make a new pot of coffee type thing. And yeah, one of the people that he absolutely destroys, not the only one, but one of the people こ it's this woman. Yeah. I mean she gets decoated. Decleated. Oh, sweetlin, good lord. What is that? That one's funny. I had no, it's passive. I do not explain the difference in the funniest like it is funny. It's over the top. It's like any other thing? Yeah. It's over anything that a comedian does you can get away with if it's funny. Good, good, dad's not funny. Honestly, I think I'm on the, I'm never on the, I'm never on the pitchfork side. You're on the pitchfork side? I think I'm on the pitchfork side. Not because I'm offended, I'm not offended. I'm just like, that's not funny.

52:33Like, and if you think that's funny, you're not good for our brand. Yeah, you're dumb. Like just randomly shoving a girl for touching your driver is not funny. Why would I want that associated with my brand? You know, again. You should not, you should not have been laughing, Dan. Sorry. But that's like, you know that that shove, they decided how hard they're going to go for this commercial, right? Like they probably could have gone like a full tackle or hit and they just, they landed on that little shove and that's so much worse than if he just had flat out tackled her. You know what I mean? Like they're trying to be like, actually, yeah, like they landed on that. I think you're right. Yeah. Yeah. If he didn't hit her like Terry Cruz, like hilarious. You would have been like, whoa. So over the top. Yeah. Take them to come back with you and just wrap up both of them at the same time. You know, that's funny. But they decided to go with the douges and it just looks like what not to do domestic violence commercial PSA. But also, Callaway approved the ad.

53:35So it wasn't like, you know, people over here, you know, like hiding this thing that's released randomly. It's like it went through a whole process. They're very particular. I used to work deal with them and they're very particular about their advertising. So I'm surprised that happened. Yeah. Um, Oh, God. That's right. You liked it though, Patrick. That's why this story we're doing this story. You've been driving it for several days. You like good, good ad. No, you don't think. Yes, you do, Patrick. Yes, you do because you hate human beings in general. But only some more than others. Yeah. That's the thing. Yeah. Even though you hate women more than men, you should also hate men. That's your only defense. Right. Yeah, I'm equal opportunity. So that's equal opportunity. It's not equal. No, not equal. Uh, opportunity for everybody. Unequal opportunity for everybody. You kind of got to respect it though. Sure. No, no, I pushed it because because is that to get out of jail free card that he thinks it is?

54:36Like if you were in like Patrick is really, really show vanisting in the office. In that basement in Jacksonville by himself. He's really, really show vanisting in the office. But his defense is, no, no, no. I'm actually a jerk to everybody. And they're like, oh, he's like, only a little more to women than men. Like, I don't think it, does it work for you? I haven't had any problems. I don't think I might get good room because you sit in isolation. Yeah. No, I, I'm very nice to be like a. You are against my nature. Yeah. People love me. I'm lovable. I just, people love him. He's very tall. He works really hard. Hey, man, if you don't show you my reviews, if you want to do it, you want to see my reviews? Yes. Yes. Next Friday, I want that to be this an upload.

55:37I want you to bring in your Fox reviews. That's 100% what I want. Next Friday, I want screenshots of reviews. OK. I think it's against the company policies. Yeah, I'll get to do it now. I'm going to run that up. I'm going to run that up the food chain. I'm going to find out we'll go live to you on a Friday. You just get to say that. Yeah, so they can't stop. Patrick's reviews next Friday. Live. All right, that's going to do it for us today. We hope you have a good Labor Day weekend. We will be here when you come back on Tuesday. So follow us on Spotify. Apple. We'll see you again next time. Listen, add free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple podcast and Amazon Prime members. You can listen to this show, add free on the Amazon Music app.