Another Burnham bungle: Out of depth PM refuses to answer Qs at PMQs

0:00The Telegraph A very slow car crash at PMQ's, but our win bag and the Burnham let slip, but he will not be cutting welfare to spend more on defence. Can we babe not call him continuity clear, but we think he's much worse than Starrmer. Welcome to the Daily Tea with me Tim Stanley. And me, Camilla Tomony. You've just announced that your ring fencing housing, everyone will infer from it when you say social security is just as important as national security, that your ring fencing all welfare spending. You're basically saying I am not going to cut welfare for warfare. And Labour's whole approach to welfare is we can spend our way out of the overspending problem. Yes, that's right. By spending more money on interviews and training and sitting down with people and holding their hand, and asking them, do you feel anxious love by spending billions and

1:00billions of pounds on that in about a hundred years time? I'm sorry, I'm getting worked up about it. I know, keep calm. In about a hundred years, I'll load it in about a hundred years time. We might save five quid a year. Camilla, I think I just tore a strip off the new owner for trying to use my private toilet. Yes, I know. We do have to block out the toilets here because sometimes we need to use them before we were called. They're dressing rooms. It's where I put on my corset and then my bowtucks. There was a lady trying to get into the one I said, you can't use it, madame. Yes. It's for us. And I now, in our cursed me, she may well own it. She may well own the newspaper. She may well. I wouldn't know because I never see the owners. They're like wizards of ours to me. Yes. They're someone behind a curtain. I'm sure you. Okay. Let me know if you see one around the office. I'll let you know. I'll let you know. And say that person employs you. Usually looking at you actually. I wouldn't entirely object right now to being sacked. I think I'd enjoy a good sacking. Yes. I don't have to sit through another Andy Burnham Prime Minister's questions. Well, how got a minute? Because I appreciate it. I've made the point that PMQs appears to be on Mogadon today.

2:03Yes. My god, I was like, what's happening here? But it's like a car crash unfolding. It's irresistible. You have to watch it. You have to analyse it. You have to come to some conclusions about just why Andy Burnham is so bad at this. Yes. I think it's more like being stuck next to a ball on a plane. Right. I think find it as thrilling to watch. I have to confess. Or all massive fat person. It's gone. What's worse? OK. All right. A quite good looking ball on a plane. OK. I will give him that. All right. Now, there are several things he does, which are really seriously leans that they sharp, sudden decline of PMQs. One is this utterly disingenuous thing of saying, I think what people want is they want problem-solving and not point-scoring. He did say that three times. Let's listen to it. Mr. Speaker, I have to say it the right and the right. He does have to do better than that. I mean, they are. Yes. Yes. But they are the worst. Oh. Oh. They are the worst kind of points to be scoring when the country is watching.

3:04That would send the strongest possible message to our armed forces. This is an area for problem-solving rather than point-scoring. We should do more problem-solving than point-scoring. Having said people want problem-solving, not point-scoring, what he then does is score points by accusing the opposition of not problem-solving. That's right. So, the answer to questions, basically, can he, Badenock, asked him a series of questions? And he basically seems to be justifying his refusal to answer them by saying, I don't want to point-score by then launching into what aboutery about other issues that have nothing to do with the original question. So what he's doing, and everything R&D does, is a daft person's idea of a clever strategy. So what he's doing is he's saying, when someone says, why don't we do X? He's replying with, well, why wouldn't you sit down with me and talk about why? Yes. So the big debate, which came he tried to kick off, was how are we going to finance the

4:093% commitment on defense spending? And she said, we have a plan for cuts, and we put it to you. Our R&D keeps saying, let's talk, let's have a conversation, let's talk about it. So she's saying, here you are, I'm talking to you right now. And his reply upon seeing her program is, that's just point-score. We've taken the strongest possible stance in supporting President Zelensky and Ukraine. We are playing our role around the world, and we will continue to do so. Mr Speaker, she mentions the plan that she has set out. And this is why I say we should have an honest conversation across this dispatch box, because I looked at it, and I don't think myself that taking 4 billion pounds out of housing benefit is going to get the right consensus around this issue, because that would create levels of homelessness in this country, Mr Speaker, that we wouldn't have seen before hundreds of thousands of children in temporary accommodation.

5:12Can I say to the right hon. Lady, yes, we do everything to support our national security, but it can't come at the expense of social security. Having strong national security also depends upon having resilience in our communities. This side of the house will not be forced to choose between the two, and we will set out a plan to get to 3.5% by 2035 at the spending review. Two huge revelations from that exchange. I think entirely unforced and probably unexpected. John Healey wasn't sitting next to him. He was standing up, and Healey is very good at having a poker face. I think probably his wedding photos have a poker face. Well, he does bear this uncanny resemblance to Dobby from the Harry Potter films. That's just strange in itself. But you can imagine running through his head, remember, this is the Chancellor who quit, as Defence Secretary, because Keir Starmer wouldn't spend enough money on Defence.

6:14You can just imagine him thinking, not only are you refusing to commit to the 3% that I resigned over, but you've just announced that your ring fencing housing, and everyone will infer from it when you say social security is just as important as national security, that you're ring fencing all welfare spending. You're basically saying, I am not going to cut welfare for warfare, and you're further indicating that you're not really going to be willing to cut spending at all, which is a full argument. Our whole argument is that we can save money on welfare spending in the long run by building council houses in the short run. Now again, an air heads idea of a clever strategy, it doesn't seem to have occurred to him that building those houses will itself cost money. Yes, it does cost money. That's the thing about houses. They're expensive to build and to buy, Tim. And Labour's whole approach to welfare is we can spend our way out of the overspending problem.

7:16Yes, that's right. By spending more money on interviews and training and sitting down with people and holding their hand, asking them, do you feel anxious, love, by spending billions and billions of pounds on that, in about a hundred years time, I'm sorry, I'm getting worked up about this. I know, keep calm. In about a hundred years, I'll load it in about a hundred years time. Yes. We might save five quid a year, right? I love the idea, by the way, that you think that benefits claimants are persuaded back into work by somebody holding their hand. If only they get an online interview at best and they're told to check back in in three years time. Quick flashback to the conversation we're having a couple of days about go, about immigration. Yes. It's the same with Labour's approach on interviewing asylum seekers, just speed up the interviewing process. Yeah, but once you've done that and you've rejected them, they just stay in the country. Also, asylum seekers as benefits claimants, they are both being influenced by people on social media, telling them how to gain the system. I am not saying by implication that everybody on benefits is gaining the system. I'm merely saying that there are some who are on benefits as a result of watching videos on TikTok.

8:20Yes. The other thing, by the way, social security, this guy literally is living in the 1980s. He's handkering after the 1970s when literally Britain was on its economic knees, the rich were leaving the country in their droves. Well, as they still are, it was reference that the third biggest taxpayer in this country has moved to Greece to avoid paying tax. A comprehensive boy done good because he got a scholarship to eaten out of state school and then ended up running one of the most lucrative companies in the country. And by the way, he's taking 350 million quid in taxes with him to Greece. Thank you very much Labour, the so-called party of business and the workers, which is an oxymoron in itself. And by the way, I was speaking to somebody who let's describe them as high net worth and in the same circles as this billionaire, who is saying that one of the reasons we've seen a very recent flurry of extremely loaded people going to other parts of Europe is I think they're fearing an exit tax might be slapped on millionaires and billionaires in the next budget.

9:25Now, the FT put that to the Treasury and they denied it. But we've seen that before, haven't we? Yes. Let's just be aware that we have now a Prime Minister confirming at PMQ's that he isn't willing to cut spending on benefits or indeed spending at all. We've got guilt yields. I know we're going on about them, but they're still at that historic 19-year high, much higher than under Liz Truss. And we've got John Healey in a lackluster speech that we nearly fell asleep through on Monday refusing to rule out tax rises even though that would mean crossing red lines that were laid down by the manifesto. So we've got a perfect storm of basically labour and its leader in denial of the current diastrates we're facing, seemingly unable to do anything about it, going on about spreading good vibes and having, you know, come by our sessions across party lines. I want to throw one thing in here, which is this morning I had a conversation with the state agent. Oh, did you? I was moving to him. No, no, no, we're facing that moment when maybe an older person in the family wants to

10:29down size. And she was explaining why the market is stuck and why people aren't buying and why house prices are falling. And it's in part because it's a ladder that people are meant to go up and down over the course of their life. As you make more money, you go up it and then later when you want to realise those assets or you just overwhelm by the size that has you go down. But people at the top are not going down. And the reason they're doing is a combination of policy as it currently is stamp duty. So people are just not willing to sacrifice the house to have to pay a vast amount of money in order to move somewhere smaller. Kind of for nothing, by the way, that money is for nothing. You're like, what is this? I'm just being slapped with a bill. But something she said that I hadn't considered was actually not policy itself, but the rumours of policy. Yes. That she said when Labour was elected, that immediately had an effect upon the market, not because of anything it did, but what it was talking about what it might do. This housing is such a huge speculation. You're looking to part with millions.

11:32So you don't do it if there's any risk that a new policy will come in that's going to hit you. So in other words, everything just stopped. And finally, people got over the fear of Rachel. And then Iran happened. Yes. And now everyone's thinking, but prices are going to go up. Interest rates may well go up. It's not worth moving again. No, that's right. The issue is not people's willingness to move. The issue is the market isn't moving because the houses are not moving because people are not at the top end are not downsizing. This is ironic, isn't it? Because it's the reverse D-reme effect. It's this notion that people fear things can only get worse. Yes. So it doesn't make a difference if it changes the chancellor. And as Kimmy Bade not points out, and let's listen to, I think, probably the best blow she landed at PMQs. Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister seems to think that the last government was a Conservative government. The last government was a Labour government. And it failed, which is why Kirstauma resigned. He keeps talking about their record as if it was fantastic.

12:33If it was, then why is Kirstauma not sitting there? Where Britain needs leadership, what we have at the moment, is just vibes. He said he appointed the chancellor because he cares about defence, but he won't fund it. Other countries are making claims over our sovereign territory. They smell weakness. He's pretending that he's the change candidate, but the fact is he's still failing to cut welfare, he's still paying to hand over a sovereign territory, he is still not funding defence. So only issues that really matter, isn't he just continuity care. Yes. An astonishingly weak performance from Burnham at PMQs today, totally exposed lightweight and absolutely mauled by KB. You almost feel sorry for him, resembled a youth club leader doing political cosplay. And I actually thought that's right. So this tedious exchange with MPs, by the way, about their constituencies, because of his own obsession with geography and this north-south divide that's now being created by the man

13:36who apparently wants to level up. And I appreciate MPs are there to say, on behalf of Morton in the Marsh, I would just like to point out to the Prime Minister, but it's getting ridiculous to him. On MPs said, I'm from Graves End, you like the south. And there was a big, there was a hilarious, again, an airhead's idea of humour back and forth about, no, I do quite like the country what he might have heard. I'm going to learn the south. Oh, it's so boring. But on your point about the statesmanship, I mean, we were always complaining that care was never in the country, but by contrast, when Burnham came to defend the decision on the settler sanctions, could you really do it? And you could tell that he hadn't really thought much about it before. This is Ed Miliband's policy. Yes. It's being timed. It has to be timed in part to do with the election. I know it's because the settlement decision was coming up before the Israeli general election, but there is also an election coming up in Holborn and Pancras. And I was just really struck by how poor his defence of the sanctions was.

14:40Let's listen to that. Mr Speaker, she mentions leadership. Let me tell her and the whole house where Britain is showing leadership. There have been conservative politicians at this despatch box Labour politicians to, for decades, who've talked about the importance of the two-state solution between Israel and Palestine. Words from any politician about the two-state solution will be only words if it's not backed with action. And leadership is about taking action, where there is injustice, where we need to correct unfairness, people being driven out of their homes, losing their homes, being intimidated in their daily lives. I credit the father of the house who yesterday applauded the action that this government is taking in this difficult and dangerous world.

15:45Britain has to stand for something. Britain has to show leadership. Britain has to stand for fairness against injustice, where people are being bullied out of their homes, intimidated. We will always stand with the underdog and take action we can to support them. That Mr Speaker is leadership on the world stage. Britain being true to what it's always been about. That is what the British government, British people expect to us and that is what this government will do. My problem with it, Tim, is that he thinks British leadership is support of Palestine. And while there are some in the country that may agree with him, there are others that don't. And moreover, I would say that the majority, wherever they may hail from, think that we have got more important issues to solve than an ongoing conflict in the Middle East. That let's be perfectly honest. Most people have had it up to here with. Yes. It's the timing of it as we discuss yesterday, which I think is politically opportunistic.

16:46By the way, I've said that already, so we don't need to go over that old ground. But you're saying there's a contradiction here, isn't there? Because he's meant to be Mr Britain. He's meant to be Mr Manchester. Yes. He's meant to be the person who cares about the future of this great nation, thinks that all of our ills can be blamed on that, and wants to ride off on a white horse into a brave new future of hope where he devolves to local communities. And yet he thinks British leadership is what we do about Israel, thousands of miles away. What is it, Andy? Do you want to devolve to Cornwall or do you want to be involving yourself like Blair before you and others? In a foreign war that doesn't really have all of the decisions you're making and taking and the speech as compelling as it may have been yesterday in the House from Miliband, and it's obviously divided opinion heavily, it's all well and good. It's not going to make the blind a bit of difference. Unfortunately, the likes of Netanyahu don't really care what Andy Burnham thinks. And that's also a problem.

17:48Imagine I have to think about this now. Andy Burnham and Donald Trump. I mean, the US president is going to gobble this guy up, but lunch along with his big mac and his diet. It's just a barricade. Yes, yes, I'm not sure Burnham is to his flavor. And again, I'm not sure that the president just particularly cares about Britain at all. I do think it was a good speech by Miliband. I do have to say, I watched it and I thought that was pretty impressive. And it has been pointed out to me that very few Tories turned out to take part in that. I know, but then I couldn't believe Miliband was the one who wouldn't do anything about Syria, though, wasn't he Tim? Miliband is the one who is carrying his own favor in his own area because of his own aims. And I do think it's a cogent argument to say that if it is, this is all about human rights. Why this now and not an intervention on China? Yeah, but that's an argument for more interventions on China, which the government won't make. But we can't make the difference. Because he spent his entire time in the last government,

18:49to co-zing up to the Chinese because they're making all of the solar panels and electric vehicle parts and everything else, by the way, brackets whisper it, probably with slave labor, to promote his net zero-selectry. We haven't done enough, but we do sanction people who are connected to the oppression. I know, but it's always in Israel. And he did that for us. We also have a trade. We also have an embargo on certain weapons sales to China as well. So we do have this force. It's not the same. We do not get protestations from labor, ministers and MPs in the vein of Milliband on any other country but Israel. And of course, he's got cover because as you pointed out, he's Jewish and I counter argued, yeah, but you can still have Jew-hating Jews. I'm sorry, you can still have. It's great cover. Look at Sat Plansky. He's Jewish and look what he has incubated in his own green party, which I'm sorry, has links to grotesque anti-semitism. His own deputy leader, Mothin Ali, celebrated October the 7th and drove a rabbi out of leads. But Ed Milliband doesn't have any links to grotesque anti-semitism.

19:49Well, no, Ed Milliband might not have any links to grotesque anti-semitism, but it isn't to get out of jail free card to say, oh, well, hang on a minute, there's no cynical timing here. And this is all just about the Middle East, simply because he's Jewish. No, but just because it's a cynical policy doesn't mean he hates Jews for doing it. I'm not suggesting for one minute he hates Jews. And I'm not necessarily suggesting that Sat Plansky quotes hate Jews. But I'm saying that you can incubate a feeling of hostility towards Jews and be Jewish. You can do that with your policymaking, with your protestations. Sat Plansky is Jewish and is suggested that Israel is a genocide state. That's likely to make Jews in this country feel very uncomfortable. Of course, but I didn't admit that. Meanwhile, sanctions against Israel, regardless of what people think or like, have been cited by rabbis and anti-semitism campaign groups and others as making Jews who already feel very uncomfortable in this country, even more uncomfortable. And we include the Jews in that that are very uncomfortable with Netanyahu.

20:53So I'm saying it does. You can make Jews feel uncomfortable. Let's put it that way, even if you yourself are Jewish. Of course you can, but you could be a misogynist and still be a bird. Yeah, well, I hate men and I'm a man. You know, you could if you wanted to be anti-anti-anti. I can be anti-catholic and be Catholic. Oh my gosh, many of them are. I mean, you know what I'm like. Yes, but if some Jewish people do some bad things, indeed, what are regarded globally as criminal things, it's not Jew hatred to... No, I'm not trying to conflate. Israel governmental behavior or the settlers, and that's a complex issue. Although we've got sanctions are on the settlers, not on Israel as that. I get that, but again, one could revert back to what was it, Bill Clinton, 1992. We did offer, Arifat, 97% of this land, and he rejected that deal. Yes, but now the segments are building on what? I know, but you could also say, well, listen, as has happened in Gaza, we hand over this land, it gets taken over by terrorists,

21:55humans are used as shields, tunnels are built underneath, and then they start killing people on October the 7th, so you could be worried about the stretch of land that represents the West Bank. Anyway, let's not reliticate that. All right, okay. But you liked what Minaban said. I thought it was laced in a degree of hypocrisy, because at the end of the day, he didn't stand up for the Syrians, did he? Minaban can also speak, he can string words together, and I think another effect of burnemism is the injection of long windedness into parliamentary debate. I don't know how this could happen in just two weeks, but I swear there were at least three MPs who I couldn't understand their contribution. Beginning with the first question from an MP from Kilmarnock, who went on so long and so confusingly that the speaker eventually intervened and said, I mean, generously, I think we get the idea. And she was forced to sit down, and I would swear,

22:55I don't know what the point was, but I would swear. She hadn't actually got to the question yet. I could get to the question. I think the speaker said she had asked three questions. I didn't follow any of them. And then do your impression of Lindsay, well, at the end of the session, at the very end is, I mean, next time, we can get the answers and the questions a bit quicker, please. I've got things to do. It's got places to be. Hopefully, when we do come back after the conference recess, we might be able to speak questions and answers or in order to get more people in. Like the flung Benchley job. So they're becoming more long winded. They're talking obsessively about their local area, which is all about the devolution thing. I know MPs have always done that, but now it's getting silly. I want to stand up and welcome the extra powers, given to East, West, Southern, Moulvin. Yeah. They're sort of thing. But interestingly, they're not attacking reform. Now, there is an open goal. Oh, yes. There's an open goal this week to have a pop at reform over the protests in Dover and in Portsmouth. Yes. And to point out the disagreement between Zia Yusuf,

23:57and Nigel Farage, on whether or not protesters should be regarded as legitimate. Yes. And in the past, Starmas people always choreographed it, so that two or three Labour MPs would stand up and say, I'll think at the death's grace. What rhythm is that this week? You're saying one or two at MPs. And that is basically Angela Rainey, your child. By the way, there's a new photo out of the cabinet. And someone has cruelly pointed out that we're treating us the same color as Angela Rainey. I think he went into the tannings salon and he asked for light brown and he came out burnt toast. It's quite something to see. It can happen. It can happen to the best of us too. But I just see the interesting that he's dropping attacks upon reform. Of course, had MPs attack reform. Nigel Farage wouldn't have been there to say anything about it because he's in Washington, DC. And the poor is making hay with that later because I think they're tabling some legislation to stop children being prescribed with puberty blockers and stop trans people from accessing single sex spaces.

24:58So it's absolutely perfect reform territory. And presumably the likes of Sarah Boachin will jump on it. But they're wanting to remind everyone that Farage isn't here. And by the way, no, he's not intact and either. He's actually over in the US. He's always saying there are other things I could be doing. And we're signed to notice that he's doing them. Yes, he is. Yeah, he's just hanging out with Donald Trump and things. As well as trying to curry favor with the Prime Minister from a geographical perspective, we've also got quite a nauseating sort of theme going on in the House of people saying, look, I do quite like you. You know, it's just like they've been kind of like thrilled by the eyelashes of the mascara. So we heard this from somebody in the S&P for heaven's sake, Tim. Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister still seems fairly well-liked. And I'll let you until we see it, I quite like the new Prime Minister. That popularity will not pay the bills during this winter's

26:00looming cost of living emergency. So will he stand up now and tell people, what is he going to do to help? I will. Mr Speaker. I think the S&P question speaks to two things. One, Burnham is privately genuinely likable. Anyone who's ever encountered him says the same. Oh, we say this. We said that about three. She's a very decent person. Yeah. The worst thing she ever did was run through a field of week. Is she any good at being Prime Minister? OK, so but I think he is reflecting a feeling and Parliament of, oh, this man seems to genuinely be a human being and quite nice. Who else are the equivalent? Everyone's acting as if Dennis Nielson was right to Prime Minister. But it's not a mass murderer. The second thing it points to is so in critical terms, how do you work around that? Burnham's polling is quite striking. He's winning on basically every metric of things like me, nice bloke, understands the problems facing the country.

27:00I know this is honeymoon period and it's not reflected in Labour's actual polling average where it's still stuck in the early to mid-20s. We've not seen the Burnham bounce yet. But opposition parties have got to figure out how do I argue with someone who comes across as very nice. You reverse Harry Enfield and you say he's Andy Nice but dim. You do do them. That's what I do. But I can afford to do that because I'm a journalist. I don't have to make people like me. I just have to make people click. But if you're a politician, it's a bit different, isn't it? Because it's the problem of kicking a puppy. No one wants to do that. I know, but if you're just a really annoying little dog that keeps barking and not doing much, if the bark is bigger than the bite and you keep on going, I'm going to do this for Britain and I'm going to bring back hope. And then when you're actually asked straight questions, you can't answer any of them. That's true. And start waffling on about a load of old nonsense. The people are going to get really sick of the dog, whether it has puppy eyes or not.

28:01But Britain's... Britain has just turned into a nation of cat people at this stage. In the same way that Britain likes it's whether to be not quite hot and not too cold. It likes its personalities to be like that. Britain is hooked on mediocrity. I don't think it is because I think that both the best leaders in this country have always been quite unlikable. That's true. At that time, Blair, to an extent Churchill, you know, oh, wasn't he racist once and didn't he do badly in the First World War? You know, these are divisive figures. So wisely disliked when you did meet me there. Some people viscerally hated this man. That's true. If you come fronted with these figures who are just a bit... You're like, why are you running the country? Go and run the local branch of curries. Yeah, and I think our Andy would be fantastic on the one show. Great presenter of that. Come on up next. The beach towels. You can just see him doing that. But, and I think you're right, when they go into the ballot box, people do go, okay, I like him, but can you actually lower my bills, which I'll just do to rise over the winter. But I do think this is still in the short term a problem, for instance, for reform,

29:02which after that conference is coming across as distinctly unlikable, and which is really betting the house on being unlikable. It wouldn't have hurt Rob Generick after that girl was mulled by the mob. I shouldn't laugh. Tracked out by her. She was. I mean, just the image of that old man waving his crutch at her. My goodness. I mean, it wouldn't have... Shouldn't he have said that that shouldn't have happened? Yes. She put herself at risk. She shouldn't have heckled, but I'm not sure she needed to be removed by her hair. And obviously, that's not the kind of parties that we are. Instead, the nature of algorithmic politics is you're always trying to stoke online anger, and you're always trying to appeal to the fans of purity who want you to go even further. And you're measuring yourself not by am I attracting the boring quiet middle, or am I energising and exciting the angry extreme? And so you come out and say, oh, boo, who? Who cares? Well, actually, there are lots of mild-mannered mediocre voters like me who do care? Because I don't want to live in a country where people get beaten up on telly and politicians laugh it off.

30:05No, I don't think we should be. I don't want mass protestors. Neither do I, honestly. Stalking migrants. No, I know. I do get that. And he is speaking to that, and the opposition's got to figure out how do we come across as nice but sensible. It's about personnel. I mean, generic stabbed, chemibade knock in the back. So we know the quality of that man's character when it comes to his own ambition. Similarly, Zia Yusuf, I mean, he's not anybody that anyone would say, oh, you know, the thing about Zia is you go to him with your problems. You know, that's not going to happen. We're having a party. Yeah. We got Zia. Yeah, that doesn't happen. Yeah, get Zia along. Just juggling and telling jokes and doing some magic. I mean, it's just not that scene, is it? Yes. Should we end Tim, because it's always fun with some telegraph reader comments? David Buick. Frankly, that is the worst PMQ performance from a Prime Minister. I've seen in a very long time. He is a complete dud who was completely wrong-footed by Bade Knock, etc. etc. Daphne Gratton. There is a reason Burnham failed twice to lead the Labour Party. Daphne, you're right about that.

31:05Yes. And he was openly displayed today. He failed miserably answering Bade Knock's questions and does not have a handle on his brief. I'll just throw something in here. Burnham has said he will not be talking to the Sun newspaper. Oh, how pathetic. Because, well, because of Hillsborough, of course. But then again, that suggests that he is once more living in the 1980s. And also, as some have pointed out, is there no end to this man's hypocrisy in 2010 when he was running for the Labour leadership? In fact, somebody on the comment desk, Ralph, sent me the picture. Here he is. Look, he's posing in a cab emblazoned with the Sun's logo. So, why was it all right then? But you're seeking to boycott them now. This is the thing. If he lived in North Korea, he'd be comrade number one. If he lived in Saudi Arabia, he'd be calling people's hands to be cut off. Yeah. He is whatever he needs to be in the moment to win. Also, does he need to be reminded of how much Tony Blair's administration, in which he served? Right. I know. Sucked up to the owner of the Sun, Rupert Murdoch.

32:07Why do these people come out with this stuff and think that we've all forgotten? Like, we're all... This is the trouble, right? Stupid people think that people are more stupid than they are. Yeah. And actually, they're not. And we go, hang on mate, we've got the receipts here. As you maneuver yourself around like an opportunist. Honestly, can I just also just share? Because this is a bit of a 1980s phrase, actually. I like it. David Will has said, Burnham is such a windbag. Gosh, that's a... It's true, isn't it? It's true. It's true. Yeah. Poor old Burnham. This is PMQ's round two. Score out of five. Oh, I think I'd almost go negative. Would you? Minus... Minus a one. And by the way, consequently. So, do we think that Bade Knox is going to benefit from any of this? No, because no one watches Prime Minister's questions anyway. And I think for the moment, his niceness is probably the thing that will cut through to the voters. But give it time. And I think that her hard as nails, but eminently sensible approach will probably come through instead.

33:10I mean, a lot of people will be listeners and saying, your suggesting politics should just be light entertainment. No, we know. And you're being insubstantial, etc. I don't think you said anything of any substance. Yes. If he had said something of substance, we'd be discussing the substance right now. Well, and we did, because the one bit of substance was, I am going to ring fence welfare. Yes. I will not cut it in order to increase defense spending. So there you go. That's the one interesting thing of note he said in the whole thing. He is the one who's insubstantial. But I do, I do actually passionately believe that the center of our political life should be the commons. Yes. And the quality of the commons is a metric by which to judge the quality of our leadership and our public life. And when the commons is full of, I'm sorry, such inadequate people who are unable to communicate things they don't really anyway know. That is, it does cast a damning verdict upon the state of the country.

34:12And it matters to me because I want to, I remember growing up, people used to say, in America, we watch PMQs every week. And that's when it was like, hagg versus wear. That's when it was seriously. Really good. Thinkers. Well, my children look up these old videos on social media and they show me they love the one of Jeremy Corbyd. And do you know what he said to me? Who are you? They love that one. And they like David Gabbard. You know what my mother would have said? Put on a tie. Yes. It's all that kind of bads. And lots of fatches rhetoric was just absolutely a, a start point. Always complained about it. And it's been going downhill for a couple of decades. But my goodness, it's starting to feel like a meeting of the parish council in one of these ghastly devolved regions that Andy Burnham's going to force on us. There is some good news to him. You don't have to endure this for the next five weeks because we then go into recess for conferences. Yes. So that's his last PMQs for a while. He's done a couple. Let's see if he can be any better in six weeks time. And we're going to be back tomorrow

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