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Freddie Sayers speaks to writer and commentator Andrew Sullivan to help understand what's going on in America.
The images from the 6th January riots at the US Capitol will be with us for years — shocking, unnerving, and ultimately tragic for the five people who died. But was it “armed insurrection” or a failure of policing? How close did the President come to directly inciting violence? What is a wise way for Democrats to respond?
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