AI Is About to Trigger Bitcoin’s Next EXPLOSION | Tillman Holloway

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1:02the best savings mechanism for small businesses, for enterprise, you know, reasons, and our toolset is trying to help them make that easier and de-risk that endeavor. You know owning Bitcoin something that everybody should have. I think it's the most likely way we rebuild our middle class in America of anything that I could think of. Why? What's going on guys? Today we got a great conversation with Tillman Holloway. He's the founder and CEO of Arch Public. And in this conversation, we go really deep on a genetic investing and how AI and Bitcoin are intersecting with each other. What's it going to take for people to get comfortable actually turning their money over to AI agents and having those agents make investment decisions on their behalf? We also talk about the broader Bitcoin market. What is the catalyst that's going to be needed to turn Bitcoin around and send it back to its all-time high? And then Tillman explains how he's viewing the macro environment, what he's excited about, what he's not excited about, and how investors are using different strategies with all the volatility in the market to accumulate more of the favorite assets. All that and more in my latest conversation with Tillman Holloway. All right. Tillman, I thought a great place to start the conversation.

2:04Artificial intelligence has spooked the market. Investors are very, very worried. We've seen software stocks sell off like 20%. Bitcoin is also sold off 20% or so. Do you think that this AI disruption narrative is a real thing and do you think investors are going to flee out of these software stocks? Or is this just kind of short-term mispricing and we'll be back to all-time highs in many of these names over the coming weeks and months? I think it's going to be more disruptive, honestly, than people can even get their arms around at this point. I've been using it the rate at which it is improving the functionality across multiple platforms, the integrations, everything that we do in the future. I think we'll have a some AI component to it. I think where we are right now is this dangerous, this no man's land, if you will, where we're letting it do kind of whatever it wants with its own free will, this macro rule set that we don't understand and it's somewhat of a black box to

3:06us. I think moving forward, we're going to have very specific rule sets or toolboxes that we allow AI to utilize so that we can predict a little more with a higher degree of certainty what the outcomes are going to be and the correlations of that outcome being what we want it to be. Our will and the extension of AI is only as good as its ability to accomplish what we want it to accomplish, like an extension of our will. Right now, I think it's so misunderstood that no one really understands how to use it or what its threat could be to them. I think once you start to use it, you realize that it's only as good as the prompts that you're giving it. It's only as good as the creativity by which you want it to achieve something. There's still a lot of human intervention and interaction that's needed to make AI successful or useful, in my opinion. I think that's going to be a growing demand at a rate that you can't conceive. I would hire people right now for two of our

4:15companies if they could spend all day, every day focusing on improving our interaction with AI, really. That is the bleeding edge, if you will. When you think about that interaction right now, how much of it is I know what AI is capable of and I know what I want to automate, but I don't have time versus it is I feel like we don't have enough automation. I feel like we don't have enough AI. The reason I ask that is if it is the former where it is very well understood what needs to be automated, that's just a, are we going to spend the money to go hire these people and how much time is it going to take for them to do. What I see more and more conversation around is like, hey, the AI can do all of these different things. How do we prioritize what to use it for? What do we actually want to automate? This begs the question of, are you going to go and use AI to build an ERP system and so every ERP stock should immediately be worth 50% less? Yeah, no, I agree with you and that in therein lies the multi-billion dollar question because it's so disruptive that we don't

5:21know what its primary use case is. We don't know what its value proposition is for tomorrow because tomorrow is not here and it's changing literally between today and tomorrow. There are meaningful agents being built every single day to accomplish specific goals that we couldn't have dreamed to have accomplished from a connectivity perspective, from a ease of use perspective, user interface, all of the above. Software development is being commoditized at a rate that I've never seen anything else be this disrupted this quickly. If you look at some of the extinction events like Blockbuster being put to rest by Netflix, for example, we thought that was fast. Blink, this AI revolution is a light speed faster than that and so when you're talking about every industry being impacted, you're going to, you know, fortune favors the bold. The bolder you are with your use cases,

6:24the more flexible you are to deviate from what your plan is to what the market fit plan is that presents itself after using it. I think all those things are going to determine how quickly you adopt it, how well you are perceived as successful in adoption of it and, you know, the public markets are going to obviously be affected as much as anything, which is going to provide a lot of volatility and volatility is a trader's dream. So I think we're going to have this notion that markets used to be this steady, you know, predictable path to, you know, retirement. I think we're moving more towards global interconnectivity, which means the arbitrage opportunities between asset classes and across markets, it never been larger. And when you put AI and arbitrage automation in between those opportunities, there's just a lot of money that's being made because new markets

7:27are being added and there's a mismatch of liquidity against those two markets, right? So just massive, massive innovation, massive profit harvesting, massive yield harvesting, just a total shift and pretty much everything. Do you think that that volatility obviously will present opportunities and pain for investors? But how are you as you talk to these investors? Like what do you see people doing that is actually helping them benefit from this? And then are there certain asset classes that you think will be much more volatile? Obviously, you know, Bitcoin's been very, very volatile compared to, you know, I don't know, just the S&P. But now we're seeing, you know, 20% down in software stocks, that scares the hell out a lot of people. And so is it a market wide or is it asset by asset class the volatility will range? Well, the market, you know, we used to fast or rewind 30 years ago, and we would rebalance our portfolios once a quarter, you know, semi-annually or annually, depending upon how much money you had, the markets move way quicker than that now. And so that's

8:31archaic. That's not a realistic thing to think we're going to be able to rebalance on a quarterly basis going forward. So you look at, you know, the risk across holding too much of one asset or concentration risk, if you will, it's only going to get worse from here. So if you want to be one of those people that kind of picks and choose five little, you know, projects that you believe in and you're going to live and die on that sword because they're going to have their day in the sun, but it's going to be a lot shorter than it ever has in the past. And it's going to be a lot steeper on both sides of the curve, right? And so managing those opportunities, you have to have systems in place that are monitoring those peaks and troughs and placing capital in a prudent way. People being over concentrated in their allocation of capital into anyone asset is going to become a major point of contention and a major educational point going forward. And I think even the allocation

9:34of capital across different time frames is going to become a major talking point in the financial industry because you get exposure that you wouldn't think you would get across different time frames. We've got case studies at our public that show this that some people will be trading on a four-hour candle time frame, for example. Some people would trading on a 12-hour candle. Well, there'll be twice as many triggers on a 12-hour candle as a four-hour candle because the market presented those opportunities that way. There's just, I think, diversification is going to be the way in which we return to normal. What do I mean by that? Well, everyone's living and dying on the emotional swings of their net worth going up and down 40 percent in any given year based upon silver, for example. I mean, it's gone crazy this last year. Gold, oils now experiencing it. Just point at any of the tech stocks, they've all experienced it. So you go, okay, well,

10:37there are all things that I want to own. So how do I own them? Well, you own them prudently with a prudent amount of your capital and you place that capital prudently allocating it over a healthy cost curve. And when you do that, you really can't lose, right? Then you get to ride all the roller coasters because, like my dad used to tell me, there's a new train leaving the station every day. So you just want to be at the station and you want to get on the train that's leaving every day because that's the movement that you want to ride the current wave. And I used to, I will give you, I've been in crypto for a long time, 12 years. And there was a group of guys that I got introduced to in Nashville that were some of the heavy weights in our industry. I won't name names, but they turned me on to this concept during alt season one year where it was, you know, it seemed like there was this rotation. And if you could get in the rhythm of the rotation, you just printed money. But I was missing in my naivety the fact that you couldn't have it

11:44all both ways. You couldn't put all your eggs in one basket thinking you were going to be perfectly timing the symphony. You just put it across everything, sold the winners and put that money in the losers. And then every day you just were looking at which ones winning and you just were rotating capital. And that became a very big eye opener for me. I'd seen it done in the traditional space. But the, the, for whatever reason, the crypto and the altcoin space had made me believe that those fundamentals didn't matter anymore. And they do. And that's the fundamentals across every market, which is diversify, do it with money. You aren't leveraged against, do it with prudent capital that's been placed over a long period of time. And if you believe in those assets and you do it across enough assets, there's going to be a winner. And if it's not every day, it's every month that's every year, you're going to ride the wave of whatever is currently the hottest topic. Bigs, Bigs says to me, when you think about AI and Bitcoin coming together,

12:46one of the things that I see people talking about is this idea of a gentick investing. And they basically want to turn their money over. And they say, Hey, I want this AI who's supposedly smarter than me, you know, superhuman intelligence. I wanted to go figure out exactly what it should do. Should it buy? Should it sell? What asset? How long should it hold? All these decisions. How far away are we from that happening to the smartest, most technical people and then being comfortable putting their money in? And then how far away are we from that for mass adoption of, you know, everyday Americans being able to have the confidence to do that? I think it's a great question. First of all, I think we're figuring a lot of this out right now. This is my opinion. My opinion is, is that we'll never get to a point whereby which AI is making all the decisions without me understanding the rule sets by which it's deciding things. And here's why. Because a lot of investing is expectation, managing personal expectations. And I've seen this, we have 17,000 customers and they all have individual expectations. There's no, they're

13:51all unique snowflakes as to what they want out of life, why they want it, how they are planning on getting there, the timeframe by which they expect to get there, all these things, the cash flow that they have being generated on the side of their business, how many side hustles they have, if they are independently wealthy and already allocated, like there's just a million things that go into real life. At the end of the day, money should be serving us, right? It's like quality of life, time with my family. AI has to be governed by rules, in my opinion, according to what we want it to do. And that's not a, um, set it and forget it and let it do whatever it wants. It's more of a, a combination of what I would call automation and AI to where the, the rule sets that you're using to put in place are no different than like mutual fund baskets or just their products that

14:55are very understood and you understand exactly what your exposure is, you understand what you're buying, all these things. But then in conjunction with that, um, when to buy them, how much capital buy them and those are set in stone because those are, you know, based upon your will, if you don't want, you don't want an AI agent going, this is an opportunity of a lifetime bet the farm and you wake up the next day and you've taken out a second mortgage on your house and you've put it into the stock market. That's, you don't want that, right? So you have to have this, you know, iron wall, iron curtain, if you will, that says, okay, you, I want you to make decisions for me. I want you to buy a little bit on the dips when the dips occur. But I want you to do it according to these rules sets that I have for you to choose from. And then you've set a limiter against what it can achieve or what it can do for you. I think we're in the very beginning stages of understanding how these, uh, interact, uh, but it's very similar to, you know, a lot of people are talking about AI using crypto

16:01as its fundamental means of transferring value. Obviously makes sense to me. I can't open up bank account, can't sign documents, you know, uh, so signing digitally and, and the blockchain is obviously a large part of that. But I don't think you want AI just to have access to your seed phrase. I don't think you want your AI to just be able to move money between your wallets. I think at the end of the day, you're going to give a wallet access that has a very specific rule set that the AI has to work within in order to accomplish things, including secondary approvals, real world, you know, there's, there's a lot of real world interaction there through oracles that you, we could get into, but it's a little bit of a rabbit trail. Well, one of the things that I think about, so like, okay, I do want the AI to start to at least inform me if not start making decisions. I want to give it some money. You're talking about these secondary approvals. You're talking about, you know, kind of these fail-sacity will. I do think that there is an element of, uh, maybe importance. So like,

17:05taking more than, I don't know, 2% of my portfolio and investing it in a stock, very risky, in my opinion. But hey, I've got three, you know, bank accounts or cash accounts and moving my cash back and forth on a weekly basis based on, uh, certain levels and, uh, maybe the interest rate in which I can or like the yield that I can generate. Actually, not that risky, right? You know, we're seeing it does sweep accounts for me. Find the highest yield and yeah, that's a fantastic way to think about it. Yeah. And so it's like, I think people are probably already there mentally as to like, hey, let technology do the, the low-risk things, but the high-risk things are obviously going to be very important. Now, the counter to this is hedge funds been using technology to do high-frequency trading for a long time and they're pretty successful. They make a lot of money. So how do you think about that? They're making money in a way that you and I can't make money. That's a very different high-frequency trading than, than, there's a fine line between being a market maker and, and, and going to jail.

18:10You can't provide liquidity to a market with an algorithm that looks like what you're talking about and at the same time, take large positions in the market without getting a lot of scrutiny. Jane Street is obviously getting a lot of scrutiny this over the last couple weeks for alleged concerns around that, but the point of a market maker is to be unbiased and apply liquidity to both sides to create tight spreads and they're supposed to make money through competition on the tightest spreads that they create. They're not, they're not supposed to be creating depths of positions on either side of the spread and then using automation to drive people into liquidity events to profit. That's, that is not something that we can have in our markets without literally shaking the, the very foundation of trust that we find appealing in participating in the markets. So, you know, going forward, I don't think you're going to, I think the blockchain

19:14solves this. I think this is also an extension of what I would call the Bitcoin standard. The Bitcoin standard to me is all of the intrinsic values of Bitcoin that have been written into the code like transparency, you know, equal access, proof of work to get allocation or, you know, a very fair and equitable distribution curve. All these things are things that we want to apply to all of the markets that we participate in. And as we start to see these fallacies in the current system and we compare it to this blockchain standard that we all know about now, I think it becomes obvious that everything's going to need to be tokenized because then all the volume and all of the trades are able to be pushed through AI and it's a, it's a different ballgame. Open, open book play, level playing field if you will. So, today's episode is brought to you by figure.

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23:29baby in the bathwater is the fact that casinos, if you look at what's the trend in Vegas right now, there's a lot of fear in Vegas because pick your poison. It's like if you want a gamble, you can go gamble on Coinbase now essentially. You can find that fix in a lot of different places, and it doesn't have to be brick and mortar with $800 room service charge. There's these things that I think are democratizing access to the same dopamine hits that we all expect to get on a daily basis anyways. That's just a segment of the market that this is providing access to. It doesn't mean it's the only segment of the market. It doesn't mean it's the primary segment of the market, but it just means it is a segment of the market that's able to play on blockchain. What are you guys seeing with Arch? It may be explained a little bit how the product works, but you have all these customers and you see what they're doing both in terms of assets, what the strategies are, etc. What are the consumer trends that may surprise people?

24:32We know that people want to own Bitcoin specifically, but they also want to accumulate a lot of different assets, both crypto and none. The way in which the current system works is you would get charged with management fee, one, two percent, and you'd pay a registered investment advisor to offer you a set of products. A lot of the products that our customers want aren't in that product set. They've been pushed to go try to find ways in which they can get exposure to these assets outside of that. When you do that, there's management responsibilities. There's lots of decisions that have to be made as it pertains to when you acquire the asset, how much you acquire, like that purchasing schedule, if you will. What our company does, ArchPublic, is we help people create their own toolbox of software and create their own instances to where they achieve their goals in acquisition of those assets. It's a way to

25:35intelligently dollar cost average, like I was mentioning earlier, and provide yourself a healthy cost curve when you're acquiring them. You de-risk the acquisition of those assets, especially in highly volatile markets in the highly volatile asset classes. That's what we do. What we're seeing right now is people love the hands-off approach. They love the de-risking of it. There's a lot of customers that have come to us and said, you've completely shifted my mindset. I used to be chasing the green candles. Now I'm celebrating the red candles because they're providing me another opportunity to buy out of discount. It's rewiring what I believe to be the biggest risk in any trader, which is themselves, and the emotion that the markets seem to draw out in all of us. When you're able to set your will into a piece of software that then executes whenever the market presents

26:37those opportunities, whether you're sleeping, whether you're taking your kids to school, like you're not emotionally attached to the markets anymore having to monitor them. It's happening in the background, but it's all according to what you want to have happen. It's a very unique toolset. We don't know if anybody else that's doing it. I think it's going to become more and more prevalent because reallocating your asset classes and reallocating and taking risk off the table, for example, if you see a silver pump by, I'm a big silver guy. I love silver. When I started buying it, how much risk in price decrease was there versus how much there is now. You've had a change in risk in the asset class from a whole perspective. Your allocation should mirror a change just like your risk has a tag to change. No one does that because it takes a lot of time and work. Our tools make that very easy and

27:42very seamless. It happens to your benefit when you're sleeping. What we're seeing right now is now, Sylvia, I know, is near and dear to your heart. We're seeing our customers actually take our software and the parameters by which they can tweak it. Load that into Sylvia in conjunction with all of the charts that they have and all of the data that they've got and giving it as much data as they can because Sylvia now has a very unique view of their personal financial picture and it can make recommendations across all of those strategies as it pertains to how much capital should I place? What's too much? What's too little? What's an appropriate amount? And that conversation, like we are not financial advisors, we are software providers. We can give you the excavator, but you've got to dig the hole with it. Sylvia now becomes an AI extension that actually will help you dig the hole. This marriage of AI coupled with automation coupled with

28:50markets that are now being interconnected and interwoven both traditional and crypto, there's just a lot of exciting opportunity out there. I think the retail space, but also the enterprise corporate space that are wanting to add Bitcoin to their balance sheet are saying, this is a very riskless way to do it or this is a very prudent way to do it and we love helping that cause because it's near and dear to our heart. Owning Bitcoin, I think something that everybody should have. I think it's the most likely way we rebuild our middle class in America of anything that I could think of. Why? Well, you look at the stock buybacks that are happening right now and you look at, you know, one story sticks out in my mind in particular, as Jeff Bezos was talking about how he was looking when his share when his stock price was down, I think, $10 or some ridiculous price. He was looking at all of his metrics and he was going, they're all up. Why am I being punished for succeeding? In his mind, he was such a technologist,

29:56he was succeeding cause throughput was all through the roof, but the share price wasn't reflecting that. What did he do? Well, he went and bought every share he could afford to borrow and buy. The American people don't have that ability. They don't have a public entity whereby which they can apply their savings and, you know, get a multiple value attached to that savings. Bitcoin is that. Bitcoin has proven to be that. So I envision Bitcoin taking the center stage as the best savings mechanism for small businesses, for enterprise, you know, reasons, and our tool set is trying to help them make that easier and de-risk that endeavor. So, you know, we're kind of at the nexus, if you will, of that bleeding edge. It's exciting to see. What's fascinating to me is, when you think of Bezos and the stock price being down so significantly, I think at the time, he said, you know, the company is not the stock price, the stock price is not the company.

30:56In crypto, in particular, when the price goes down, sentiment goes down. And you could argue whether sentiment went down in that lead to price decreasing or vice versa, but something's got to turn it around. Like, we don't get back to an all-time high while sentiment's in the toilet. And so what do you think the catalyst is to send us the other direction? The same catalyst that's always there is the people who are sitting a lot on lots of dry powder waiting for the right purchase price. That's what is the underpinning of every industry. It's like, at a certain point, you draw out the big bucks. And, you know, Bitcoin has drawn out the big bucks at 60,000. I think that's incredible, honestly. If you had asked me three years ago, if Bitcoin was going to go up to 126 and go down to 60 and find support at 60,000 dollars, I would have said, sign me up. That's an incredible future for us, right? But here we are in everybody's doom and gloom thinking it's dead. I've been in so many cycles. I've heard it's dead so many times. I,

32:00you know, bet on the pattern, not on the anomaly. It's my way of thinking, you know, and until the pattern's broken, I think we've got something here that in my, I've tried to boil it down to it's true use case because I do think this next push of crypto is going to be solidified on utility. And so Bitcoin has been given a clear use case that everyone's agreed upon except for a very small group of Maxis. And that use case is store value. And you can't argue it's a better form of money than money because I've tried to pay for hamburgers with it and it's not as good as cash. So, you know, it's like one of these things where you have to know what the world thinks your value is in order to reach your full potential because they're the ones that we're willing to pay you for that value. And I really believe with all of my heart that the fact that we're 95%

33:04through the inflationary curve of Bitcoin, the proof of work network that we built it on doesn't even matter anymore. You could get rid of it today, take all that Bitcoin onto a more energy efficient network and it would still be Bitcoin as a store value. Why? Well, because anything that has a fixed denominator against a growing numerator grows in value. So the fixed denominator is the 21 million coins that can or will ever be created. The numerator is the fiat currency that's being put out into the float on the world stage. And it's not just US currency. We used to measure oil was a predictor of inflation domestically. But it didn't account for the petro dollars that were being put in vaults for the oil purchases. There was a lot of funny business or gray areas that pertains to what our true inflationary rate was. That's the reason why we got up the gold standard because they didn't want a one-to-one correlated inflation rate to the price of gold. It

34:06showed how much money we were printing. Scared people. Bitcoin, you can't get around that fact. And I try to tell people that are, you know, as laymen as they get, right, the teachers and they come to me and they go, explain to me why I should own Bitcoin. And here's what I tell them. How much has your eggs gone up in the last five years? A lot. How much has your milk gone up in the last five years? A lot. Okay, well, let's take even a further look back. How much has your parents' house gone up in value since they bought it? Everything goes up in value over time. Everything. The question becomes how correlated it is directly to the money supply. And when you have cost to produce, cost of transportation, all the collusion amongst suppliers, like all of the things that you can't measure, you get a perverted ratio of true inflationary tracking.

35:14Bitcoin is the perfect inflation tracking mechanism. It is a new display panel on the supercar of the finance world. And we get to look at that little dial and we get to go, wow, there's a lot of money out there right now. I really believe that's its core value. Listen, I think Bitcoiners are unconvinced that Bitcoin is over, right? They still believe there are people who, I think, were on the fringe. They were getting interested in the price drops. They're not as convinced. Guess who is very convinced that Larry Fink, Jamie Diamond, all these guys, they know what's going on. They're not changing their plans. They may actually be accelerating their plans, whether it's Bitcoin directly stablecoin tokenization, whatever the thing is, I think that there is still in the institutional world. Wall Street doesn't lose a lot when they make bets like this. When the industry wide bet on assets, I'm betting against them. I don't know about you.

36:14Well, if I need something that can provide me unlimited depth of liquidity, I need something that doesn't have cost to produce attached and is impossible to be replicated. If eggs get too high, if eggs get to $100 a dozen, people are just going to have chickens in their yard. All right, you can get around all of that. Bitcoin, you can't. It's done. You either own it or you don't. And so if you keep injecting fiat liquidity into that equation, it only aids the people who are the market makers with more liquidity in the markets, which is a good thing for everybody. It allows them to create broader markets across more participants and allow more people to interact with those markets. And we're seeing that. I mean, CME and I would argue that traditional markets are somewhat dead from a retail perspective. I think they've lost their luster. I think the GameStop piece was the last time I thought that retail cared to any degree about traditional

37:20markets. And I think that's sad. I think that learning the fundamental skill of using your money to make you money versus you using your hours to make you money, we should be majoring on here in the United States. We are the kings of that or the queens of that. So why wouldn't we be educating our kids as to how to utilize the markets to our advantage at a level where you're getting out of college and you already have a significant investment portfolio that you've accumulated over time. And I do think this thousand dollars that are being gifted to the newborns, that's a powerful notion. Time value of money, most people do not understand. Now Einstein said, you know, laws of compounding, you're either a slave to it or you're a master of it. So, you know, if you take a thousand dollars at a very early age in someone's life and you just put it to work in the markets, I don't think most people understand the power of that. And I

38:21think that we need to use Bitcoin as a core example of that because it bitcoins just an accelerated version of it. It's just a macro version of it. I completely agree. Before we let everyone go, where where could we find out about arch public? And also we got a webinar that we're doing that we should we should mention as well. Yeah, very excited about the webinar. We already have a lot of people, you know, registering, pre-registering. I think it's tomorrow. So if you if you're interested in learning more about the software and how it can help you manage the volatility, the markets and yield farm, the volatility will be more than happy to show and tell that tomorrow. Go in the description. We'll put a link in the description. Yeah, go to archpublic.com if you want to download the software and use it. It's completely free to use if you are investing less than $10,000 a year into any of these assets. So we want you to use it. We think it's going to provide exceptional value to you. If you're an enterprise customer or a corporate customer and want to

39:22create serious strategies around accumulation and divesting and yield farming, then reach out to us. We have a concierge division that can be very specific to those needs. Amazing. All right, well, thank you so much for taking the time to do this. Tell me when we'll do it again in the future.